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230710- TNZ- Chris Mentzel Shares about AI – Artificial Intelligence. The world has been introduced to ChatGPT, AI, since late November 2o022; our guest Chris Mentzel shares his knowledge and long views on AI and the positive impacts it will be offering to the world. We explores dangers but also explore enlightened spiritual and positive paths AI can take in our future.
Summary & Transcript : Artificial Intelligence and Its Societal Impact
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Key Findings & Context:
The discussion opens with reflections on the evolution of technology and society since 2018, highlighting the ongoing transition into a new era shaped by innovations such as artificial intelligence (AI). The guest, Chris Mentzel, brings a perspective rooted in decades of experience with renewable energy and environmental advocacy, emphasizing Maui’s potential to adopt large-scale renewable energy solutions. Early segments set a tone of urgency, emphasizing the critical need for collective intelligence and action in a time of rapid technological and environmental change. -
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AI Accessibility and User Experience:
Chris Mentzel introduces the concept that AI has evolved from a complex, technical domain into a user-friendly technology accessible even to those without deep technical expertise. Modern AI systems, particularly conversational AI like ChatGPT, have bridged the communication gap between humans and machines, allowing users to engage in natural dialogue. This development marks a paradigm shift where AI is no longer “at the mercy” of tech-savvy youth but is available to anyone capable of conversation, making AI a practical tool for everyday use. -
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Technological Advancements and AI Capabilities:
The report highlights the rapid advancement of AI technologies since late 2022, noting the launch of ChatGPT and the concept of “prompt engineering” — the skill of crafting precise queries to extract high-quality, contextual AI responses. AI’s ability to adopt different “personas,” such as answering as a top cardiologist or alternative medical practitioner, underscores its versatility and depth of knowledge. The conversation format of ChatGPT allows iterative questioning and deep dives into subjects, enabling dynamic and personalized learning or problem-solving experiences. Additionally, the emerging technology of “Auto GPT” — where AI agents can communicate autonomously — represents cutting-edge innovation poised to transform knowledge work and creative collaboration. -
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AI in Business and Education:
Chris shares a practical example of AI in business planning, where AI-generated business plans can surpass decades of traditional expertise in detail and relevance. This practical application showcases AI’s potential to accelerate entrepreneurship and strategic development. The discussion also touches on the broader socio-economic implications, including the displacement of jobs across both manual and white-collar sectors, raising awareness of AI’s disruptive potential while simultaneously recognizing its value as an extraordinary tool for advancement. -
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Historical Analogy and Societal Challenges:
An important analogy compares AI’s current societal arrival to Captain Cook’s first contact with Hawaii in 1778 — a moment of both promise and unforeseen consequences. The initial excitement of new cultural exchange gave way to devastating impacts such as disease and disruption. This analogy warns of the dual nature of AI: it brings incredible opportunities but also risks unintended harm if not managed wisely. The discussion underscores the inevitability of AI’s integration into society, given economic and technological momentum, while stressing the importance of deliberate and informed stewardship. -
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AI Development History and Industry Impact:
Tracing back to early neural network research in the 1980s, Chris outlines the scientific evolution culminating in the Transformer architecture in 2017, which enabled current AI breakthroughs like GPT models. This progression reveals decades of incremental advances leading to today’s AI revolution. The democratization of AI access — exemplified by millions of users engaging with ChatGPT within months — marks a turning point for technological adoption. The segment also introduces Chris’s company, Kumu Teacher, indicating ongoing efforts to leverage AI for education and social entrepreneurship. -
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AI as an Educational Equalizer and Personal Mentor:
A key opportunity identified is AI’s capacity to act as a personalized tutor, capable of adapting to individual learning styles and accelerating educational outcomes. Referencing Khan Academy’s integration of AI tutoring, the report highlights improvements in student effectiveness by over 30%. This application holds promise for reducing educational inequities globally, especially in underserved regions like Malawi, where AI-enhanced devices could deliver basic education rapidly. The broader theme stresses that AI can serve as a great equalizer, providing access to quality education and empowering social entrepreneurs to address poverty and hunger. -
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Humanity, Heart-Centered Intelligence, and AI Ethics:
The conversation shifts toward the philosophical and ethical dimensions of AI, emphasizing the essential role of human values, heart intelligence, and compassion in guiding technology. The speakers affirm that AI should be viewed as a tool serving human wisdom rather than supplanting it. This perspective challenges the overemphasis on cognitive intelligence as the sole measure of humanity, advocating instead for a balance where heart and empathy define our identity and guide AI’s development. Such a stance offers a hopeful vision for technology as a partner in creating a more enlightened and unified society. -
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Challenges: Economic Systems, Regulation, and AI’s Societal Impact:
The report discusses significant challenges posed by AI’s integration into an economic system based on scarcity and competition. This system incentivizes rapid AI development as a competitive race, potentially leading toward societal and ethical “abysses.” Current legislative efforts, particularly in the U.S., are framed as reactive attempts to mitigate negative impacts rather than proactive measures to harness AI’s positive potential. In contrast, European regulations focus more on protecting individuals and maintaining human oversight (the “human-in-the-loop” principle). The analysis calls for strategic AI governance that prioritizes humanity’s highest vision rather than merely preventing harm. -
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Recommendations and Future Directions:
The conclusion emphasizes the need for conscious leadership, thoughtful regulation, and community engagement to steer AI toward beneficial outcomes. Organizations and companies are urged to develop clear AI strategies to remain competitive while advocating for societal frameworks that promote abundance, cooperation, and ethical use. The hosts express intent to create ongoing public forums and educational programs to disseminate knowledge, foster dialogue, and build a collective understanding of AI’s role in shaping the future.
Key Trends
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Rapid democratization and user-friendliness of AI tools, enabling broad access.
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AI’s evolution from niche technical applications to conversational, persona-driven platforms.
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Increasing integration of AI in education, business planning, and social entrepreneurship.
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Recognition of AI’s potential to equalize educational opportunities globally.
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Growing public and governmental awareness of the need for AI regulation balanced with innovation.
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Philosophical shift toward integrating heart-centered intelligence with AI development.
Opportunities
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Leveraging AI for personalized education to improve learning outcomes and reduce inequity.
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Using AI to accelerate business innovation and strategic planning.
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Employing AI as a mentor and guide to enhance human decision-making and community wellbeing.
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Developing AI governance frameworks that reflect human values and ethical considerations.
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Promoting AI literacy and public engagement to prepare society for transformative changes.
Challenges
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Managing societal disruption caused by AI-driven job displacement, especially in white-collar sectors.
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Overcoming economic systems based on scarcity that incentivize competitive AI arms races.
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Ensuring that AI development includes human oversight and ethical constraints.
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Addressing fears and misinformation surrounding AI’s impact on civilization and culture.
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Balancing innovation with regulation to prevent misuse without stifling beneficial progress.
Recommendations
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Encourage interdisciplinary collaboration among technologists, ethicists, policymakers, and community leaders.
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Promote AI education and literacy to empower individuals to effectively engage with AI technologies.
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Advocate for regulatory frameworks that prioritize human wellbeing and sustainable development.
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Invest in AI applications that address social challenges such as education, poverty, and environmental sustainability.
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Foster a cultural shift that values heart intelligence alongside cognitive intelligence in decision-making processes.
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Establish ongoing public communication platforms to facilitate dialogue, transparency, and collective understanding.
This report synthesizes insights from a comprehensive discussion on AI’s current state, societal implications, and future trajectory, emphasizing a balanced approach that harnesses AI’s transformative power while safeguarding human values and equity. It underscores the urgent need for thoughtful stewardship and innovative governance as AI becomes increasingly embedded in the fabric of society.
Transcript with Timestamps
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good morning everyone Aloha Maui Aloha world this is Jason Schwartz and we’re at the neutral zone it’s anything but neutral wow today is July 10th 2023. every time I say 2023 I think God am I getting that old oh we’ve been on the air here now since 2018 but this is my second show back here in the studio after we were bumped out by that covid thing at March of 2020 and we are coming with a whole new format one thing is we’re doing call in so the second half of the show we’re going to be entertaining calls the phone
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number should be up on screen but for those of you that don’t have a screen because you’re on the radio 808 873-3435-808 873-3435 now we play live like we are now Monday at 11 A.M here on Kaku 88.5 FM but we’re also simulcast on akaku channel 55 Maui Community media based here on Dairy Road they do a great job bringing Public Access TV and we’re happy to be part of that now today is an interesting day because at 11 o’clock today I was aware that a friend of mine actually a friend of my
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guest too um Michael Smith was going to see mayor Rick Bissen so that kind of didn’t make him available to he’s going to be leaving on a plane many of you saw if you checked in Michael Smith was the guy from Montana He was the focus of a movie called The need to grow where he was using algae in runways and creating a biofuel that ran a jet engine that created a biochar which kept carbon in the ground but created biostimulants because they used what they call pyrolysis they don’t burn it they
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actually raise the temperature and extract things off and in that process there was someone that I’ve known a lot of time named Chris Mentzel and Christmas and I knew from way back when we were both children together in 1990 and 91. Chris and he was there because he’d come over from Germany he’ll may tell you a little bit but he had sold the company successfully there and came here and and we were talking the business and environment annual conference there was a Maui Inc magazine Suzanne Hills John
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Hills everyone was excited about the future that lasted two years but the thing that lasted over these years is a friendship and an awareness of each other Chris proposed renewable energy technology way back on a massive scale for Maui things that well you know they say you can go right and you can go wrong you can go left and you can go right no we still have a chance to go right but Maui’s been going a lot left and I don’t it’s a very funny thing but that’s the point of now all the things the lights in our
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community are starting to shine things are happening in our world that are making all of you and me super aware that you know we don’t have a lot of time and we need a lot of intelligence we need to put all our best heads together and put it all together and um I was sitting in Arielle and she we were talking about things and it just really struck me Michael couldn’t be here but another brilliant mind who’s very capable you know when I hear the subject today I laugh because we’re going to talk about
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Lots but artificial intelligence this is a guy that there was no artificial intelligence Chris Mentzel Welcome to our show really a pleasure to have you here with me thank you what a what a pleasure oh it’s it’s wonderful to be here with you and I remember in 1990 we were at the conference and we got on a whale boat and you were pointing across the ocean and you were saying best place in Maui over there Maui Meadows took me a while but I’m a happy resident of my Meadows now and every time I enter
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mowing Meadows I’m thinking of Jason oh that’s good you should have got me a piece of real estate back then crazy um Chris um we could talk about a lot of subjects but I see you are lit up I I the words artificial intelligence I remember the movie came out Steven Spielberg years ago and I was fascinating and their articles we’ll talk about it about people think that we’re going into an area that we could destroy civilization so I’d like to hold off on that kind of stuff that might be fun for question
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time with the with our public 808-873-3435 you can write it down but no sense calling now I just want to get you warmed up anyway um why don’t you begin and take it where you want and I’ll ask questions how does that seem yeah yeah I think I should say at the very very beginning this is not technical we’re not talking computers and megabytes and transmissions and hard drives and all that stuff uh because the age of computers that work nice for the 14 year olds and that are really needed yeah and used by
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hackers are over now computers have grown up so that people with a lot of life experience people that have had children teachers people that can hold a conversation they now have computers that they can talk to so it’s it’s finally the the scales are flipping over we’re not at the mercy of the 14 year old yeah kid anymore the computers are good enough now that they can talk to us we can talk to them so because isn’t it based on it’s gotten to that point through all those lines and codes and now it’s it’s
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almost like there’s a skin on it like a robot can say hi Chris and uh but there’s a lot that went behind but now it’s gotten I call it user friendly is that what you’re saying it is it is super user friendly and I want to bring that right up in the beginning because I know that many of our listeners are like wary about computers and everything that went wrong with them but now the important thing is the questions that you ask AI now is at the point where it knows a lot not everything not everything
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exactly yeah but in huge huge amount of information and if you can write if you can ask the right questions you get a phenomenal answer well isn’t that always our life if you ask the right questions what do you want and what do you do to get it right yes we have a mutual friend Steve Snyder it’ll be on here too I like sharing with our audience we have guests who know each other because we’re a growing community of I don’t want to say like-minded people where and what does it say where anything but neutral
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we’re all kinds of but and uh fantastic Chris I I really want you to dive in and show us an example give us something and then let’s take us somewhere with this yeah so AI in the in the current incarnation of chatri PT came out at the end of November last year so that’s just half a year ago and I was there I heard of of it right away beginning of December I did my first experiments and I was not impressed it was it was giving me answers but yeah they were kind of mediocre and then I I remember the day February
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27th I did a special introductory course to what’s called prompt engineering and suddenly I realized the whole potential of AI and I said I have to put everything else I put on the side because this is incredibly powerful so let me quickly get you into this and it’s again it’s not technical you go on your internet you go to ai.com I like artificial intelligence.com we’ll put it on screen for others and it will ask for your email and verify it ask for your phone and verify it that’s all that’s that is difficult then
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you have one line where you put in your question and you have a whole screen full where your question and the answers are displayed so if you just go in and ask a question it gives you like a mediocre answer it’s like a middle of the road answer so the yep the the average thing you would find on the internet but you’d say um which personality should be answering so so you can say if you are you say please answer the following question as the world’s top Cardiologist and you are speaking to medical students
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in their final year and suddenly something totally different comes out because treachery PT has an understanding yeah where information came from now it gives you such detailed information and if you’re on the alternative medical side um you have to be very precise and you say answer this let’s say in in the way that Joseph Mercola would answer it or like an alternative Doctor Who is open to Medical interventions that may or may not work and it’s very experimental So you you’re asking that way and that’s
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how you get to the medical information that’s alternative that you would otherwise never reach and you you probably notice on Google you don’t reach either if you don’t go on specific websites so you always state which personality AI should should be and to whom it’s talking and the I tried chat GPT it seemed limiting so can you stack questions can you start and then take what you’ve just given it and take it another step or is each an original yeah so ai.com directly gets you into chatri PT that’s just
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another access and it’s a conversation so everything you type in and get answered in this conversation is memorized so so you ask yeah something about a heart condition then you tune into into the valve then you yeah take something maybe it lists out one two three four then you say let’s go deeper into Point number three oh yeah I can see where it can wow yeah it becomes it becomes uh a dear friend who’s a professor and knows everything just like our friend Stephen Schneider who’s right like 150
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000 books and uh and it’s it’s so easy it’s so natural I sometimes sit there and have a conversation uh that goes on for an hour and yeah trailing deeper trailing better save the the output yeah so so a conversation is stored in chatri PT for at least 30 days and if you pay money then longer and uh you might want to have different conversations yes so one is with the cardiologist and another one is um your own characters in your own game show yeah it’s the replacement for the kids now the big people are playing
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games with AI so so so each conversation can be stored differently so you just say new chat when you when you want to enter a different personality and another field of study but on the left hand side you can see this conversation that conversation that conversation and you can always go back to it wow and can you have the conversations talk to each I imagine you can do anything like that right yeah this this is this is a very Advanced new thing that’s right it’s almost like the table with Einstein and Lincoln and we are all
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at the same like movies we’ve seen exactly it’s called Auto GPT and it’s it’s two chatri pts talking to each other so so you started out by saying yeah let’s talk about Captain Cook and then uh you set up one of the church repeaters to be a historical professor and the other one is a Hawaiian and let them talk to each other you don’t need to do anything it’s yeah Auto GPT which is not really available unless unless you want to dig deep into the programming but it soon will be it’s
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it’s uh very very fascinating thing so have you taken it to your passions or you have lots of passions well including a beautiful wonderful wife and what in your life do you have you looked and gone to so what what convinced me was uh um I learned how to create a detailed business plan with AI again on that date February 27th wow and yeah my wonderful beautiful partner Doria has a business where she’s teaching social entrepreneurs all over the world for many decades and so I gave a really long prompt I had a long
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conversation with treasury PT and gave him gave Chachi pity a lot of details and said yeah give us a value letter A business plan of products that yeah emanate from from this and it made a business plan and I showed it to her she said I’ve never in my Decades of teaching I’ve never seen such a good business plan yeah with so many details and uh yeah there was the point when I said yeah this is this is incredibly powerful wow I’m speechless I’m sure our audience out there is also speechless but not in a
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while 808-8733435 Chris how are you I guess you’re using it in the plan there with Doria but I there’s so many things it’s almost like uh our brains for us it’s exciting because we can take ideas and create uh points of view um I always wonder when I see technology knowledge and things moving forward computers or a calculator I remember people used to do things like multiply and divide on their own and so artificial intelligence and things that get smart enough to talk with each other
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and sure at some point they um we that’s why I guess why we hear all these situations of people quitting their jobs I guess it’s meaningful in a bigger way because it’s getting us to be aware of the possibilities and power and yet who would want to run away from something that can be such an extraordinary gift to our world if we we use it well any thoughts about that any ideas on that stuff well we’re in Hawaii so you probably know the state generally the 20th 1778 there was the day when Captain Cook
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landed in Kauai and it was it was a Love Fest you know you can’t describe it any any other way the the Hawaiians were coming out with their canoes circling the ship they were so excited to see each other the the sea men were so happy to have fresh fruits and it was literally a Love Fest because the girls came off the shore and jumped on the ship and they were just so eager to see what these yeah white hunks could be doing and uh and uh they were mostly impressed about nails iron Nails where it was something that
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the Hawaiians had only seen once or twice from shipwrecks that had just somehow landed at their Shore and uh the the ex yeah it was a real excitement a real connection of of cultures and uh I must say that Captain Cook was very very strict with his Sailors yet they shouldn’t interact with the women but yeah boys we will get to that how powerful how powerless regulation can be um because when he came back two years later there was syphilis already that had moved from Kauai to the Big Island so it was it was
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um beautiful at first but yeah with a heavy toe later and then 25 years later yellow fever ravaged the land and located 175 000 Hawaiians so not planned yeah none of none of these things were planned they they just happened as something that yeah was facilitated by the meeting of the cultures but yeah not something that anybody wanted and I say that AI is similar now to Captain Cook so we’ve yeah we’re looking out at the Horizon we see the white sails for a few years we’ve seen yeah AI
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coming closer um and now yeah and the Captain Cook crew have landed and we’re having great fun with each other and uh people that are nervous about uh chatri PT and about AI in general they can see this howl and the arrival of uh yeah more intelligent maybe a more disconnected and ruthless culture uh affected the Hawaiian culture at that point so that’s that’s the nervousness that we have we have no idea how it plays out um but for a number of reasons and and the biggest one is probably our current
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economic system um there’s there’s no way to stop it it’s just like with Captain Cook there’s no way to stop it once the islands are discovered yeah other westerners will come and uh yeah things will move along wow wow so I know that there is probably important points that you want to hit and I want to jump right into them because this is a subject that many of us I mean what you’ve told us so far is like wow so why would someone go to school and write a book report and try to be smart
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themselves if they can learn how to use these few tools and simplify and live on the glory is there value in native intelligence is that what we want to call it what Native intelligence well for for a long long time uh we’ve just treasured intelligence when the robots came and were replacing manual labor yeah you heard some upset about it yeah but yeah they just marched forward and if you’re going to a car factory now you see a lot of different kinds of robots at work and much much less people
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now yeah the robots or the artificial intelligence is coming for the white collar jobs and now you hear a lot more about it a lot more nervousness about it because you know that’s that’s the ultimate that’s how humans Define themselves right now is yeah we are all in the brain the the more we can think the more intelligent we are um the higher is our status the highest our life expectancy yeah the Better Lives we live and now we have to really think about this or really feel into that and discover who are we yeah what
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makes a human because yeah make no mistake next year chatri PT comes out and will be 10 times to 100 times as intelligent what it is now yeah that the speed is incredible how that grows and uh yeah GPT will have a hard time telling us humans what it figured out and yeah how it is coming to conclusions wow so this is like it’s it’s reading back in history and projecting forward in whatever we want to call the future and it is going to impact our world in Untold ways what what do we do yeah so that’s that’s uh yeah you you
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come right to my mission I I have a long history with AI uh back in and this dates me um back in 1980 I studied computer science and I wrote my Master’s thesis in Berlin on how the brain works so I I yeah developed a new kind of neural network in a programmed on an Apple tool a neural network simulator there was one of the very first neural network simulators a new network means you have nerve cells and they’re interconnected in a network through synapses and we have we have a lot of those in
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the brain and now we have a lot of those in these AI computers so that’s that’s when I started with AI and this was before neural networks was even a term before the it was studied in computer science I was very lucky I had I had a professor who said I don’t know anything about what you’re doing but just go ahead and write your thesis so so that’s where it started with me and then for a long long time there wasn’t really much happening in this field it got a little better with pattern
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detection with speech understanding it could read license plates and so for yeah the next 30 Years that there was relatively little movement uh there was a lot of stuff happening in military but yeah as a German who was born just 12 years after the war I wasn’t really eager to help the next War and uh so I I did different things but I I always kept the pilots of what was going on in AI uh the big change happened in 2017 and people researchers at Google discovered a new kind of neural network
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that they called the Transformer and that made the current Revolution happen if you look at GPT the T stands for Transformer okay and the Transformer can take language like it could read a book and put that into a newer Network for storage and then translate the output of the neural network back into language that was the missing thing and it took a few years I think uh open AI was founded the next year and uh chatri PT came out last year so yeah it took three years what’s interesting to me is that this it
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was behind the curtain for a while but still happening yeah and then they suddenly unveiled it to a public if they hadn’t unveiled this is just the point where we’re at that it’s gotten that much better it it’s suddenly it suddenly became good enough and it was actually not something that the researchers were thinking yeah much about that they had gpt2 GPT free yeah now it’s 3pt 3.5 and 4. and uh they the first time that we saw this was in a graphics program called doll e or
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Dali and you could type in something and a rather yeah crude picture would show up on anything you could type into it which was mind-blowing but yeah it kind of wore off and uh then they just then they created this language interface uh so they could feed a lot of books and a lot of content of the internet into uh GPT and uh yeah then then they said let’s put this chat interface up then and all they did was they had a little line on top of Dolly on top of the image generator that said now we have a chat interface
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that’s when I discovered it and this was it became a storm because it could answer you in real text and with real information and yeah really answer your question Yeah a hundred million people came onto that in the first three months wow um I’m gonna take a station break if you don’t mind Chris we are here we are here with Chris Mentzel I I don’t even know if you have a company name you probably you put company do you want to yeah my company is kumu teacher and the website is kumu.us okay and uh we are going to be
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on the line I’m sorry I can you hear it’s still yeah oh hi Dory we’re wondering who was ringing aloha okay well see we’re getting used to this thing I have hearing aids I never think about headphones you’re there aren’t you oh hi Aloha well thank you for joining us uh uh this is Doria um Chris’s wife Aloha how are you today I’m good I Chris what absolutely you’re on okay hello everyone you can see that I fell in love with Chris smart human in being and uh and he has taught me so much
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around this and he actually Chris maybe may want to talk a little bit about um Han Academy and one of the good sides of AI is actually it’s a great equalizer but in education this is going to give the I think they’re going to have an opportunity to be able to provide personal tutoring to many children and young people around the world at Khan Academy that’s k-h-a-n hand Academy which is very famous for providing mathematical education to many they’re they’re an amazing organization
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I I remember them even before uh now yeah they’re a great group we are providing personal tutoring at using the AI and that increases if I recall correctly something like over 30 percent of the um you know Effectiveness for students to be able to be better students and and the one thing that we need to understand and you know I have been working transforming Educational Systems around the world and eradicate poverty and hunger since I was introduced to the hunger project in 1977. so in our work
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with money and you we churn out social entrepreneurs that then go out and do work and we had been also encouraging of course when technology really started coming online which was predicted by the great bug Mr Fuller what what we can do is we can just focus on making sure that technology is used in a way that is the great equalizer for the masses because the the wealthy the rich the people with lots of access already had a lot of tools you know in their hands for them to be able to be educated faster and
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better and this particular AI used in a in a beneficial way it can actually kind of like level the playing field and make it much more accessible for people to have a good education and the whole thing about I mean kids have been bored with computers by I mean by by classrooms since the 70s I was born when I was going through school and and so now the world needs to catch up the adults need to catch up that’s right I really need to have good tools for the young people that can work as quickly as their
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brains do so Chris talk about that yeah you know it’s just when we were coming back it’s as if you have the great mind like Chris because that’s our next subject that we were going to be talking about right Chris say hello to your lovely one yes hello thank you thank you that is that is wonderful we were at the pause we were just saying that now we move over to the positive side so I made it my my mission to help steer AI into the right direction and yet we’ve we’ve talked about yet the
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badge problems drop killers and yeah the military applications and yeah the big upset that happens in society but what AI can do is make us better yep we as as Humanity yeah we need a higher education we need actually we need to come to our senses and make the right decisions uh otherwise we will muck up the planet tremendously and what AI can do is to be a personal mentor and Sir Khan that you mentioned uh has a wonderful Ted Talk that I really encourage everyone to watch uh I’ll spell it out it’s s a l is his
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first name k h a n is his last name and it’s a TED Talk from April in the in the big chat conference and so if you you’ll find it right away if you typed it into search and in there he says that if you look at the normal classroom school um you have yeah kind of an average amount of learning but if you give each one of those children a personal tutor suddenly they’re almost all in the top 10 percent of the class what because a personal tutor can understand what your learning pattern is
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what you need to hear it knows you have when to get looser when to get stricter and how to get deeper so then that’s what doria’s point was well taken that those that don’t have resources that need to get that extra help this is going to make a giant shift in balance of lots of things my goodness yeah so so a company called stability Fusion has the plan to pass out 20 million tablets or yeah small phones in the country of Malawi and give them to children they already have software um if there was developed before AI that
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can teach a basic school education in 16 months wow mathematics Reading Writing thinking now with AI on top of that uh yeah there would be so much more education Doria any other things you want to add before we uh let’s jump off I know they probably have other people going why is the lineup no call waiting we don’t have a big staff um anything else before we let you go oh just it just we are all I have this whole other side I am a Hope on Upon A practitioner and what we have to do is we just we can use Ai and
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Technology to bring about the importance of the connectedness of our spaceship earth that we are one and and and that we’ve really we really need to move into the 21st century because it is here so when you have fears about AI or you have fears about anything you neutralize it I love the name of your show the neutral zone we neutralize it and and use all these god-given tools to us and do pass of course regulations we we have them for cars we have them for many things do pass regulations do you know do good
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in that way but also let go of the fears and let’s use technology for the betterment of humanity as but Mr Fuller said their technology is going to save us thank you thank you for joining us and uh thank you for all the work that you do and you have uh not only the ears of the public as you’re speaking them and money in you but of the CEOs who hopefully will lead this gentle and loving addition to our world you’re a beautiful woman thank you so very much for joining us Aloha yes um the
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what I was starting to talk about was how we focused in on intelligence so very much as that’s what defines us human yet Descartes said it first uh cogito Ergo Sam I think therefore I am but that’s not who we are we are we are souls that are having a Human Experience on this Earth yeah we are yeah given our our Godly connection through the heart and yeah for a long long time we’ve talked about we we really got to connect the heart and the mind and now much more urgent than ever before we have to
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um realize that what defines us as human is really the heart yeah coming coming from the heart and the mind is the servant and the artificial intelligence is the servant and the sooner we we realize this and realize the Oneness of all things the sooner we can make this planet a paradise Isn’t it nice that we can come back to this very human we’re very soft and gentle and loving and heart space because uh you know I remember growing up I imagine you do especially maybe post-war Germany too
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that um I remember being hit as a kid because I I acted from my heart and not from my head it was made a point to me but it’s all flipped and you know it’s nice to I feel validated here in my older age that uh the heart is where it’s at and where we come together as in that piece it really sets the foundation for for the mind and for all that can be and I remember from 1990 we were on that whale boat and somebody says Jason he really speaks from the heart is that right that that stayed in my mind I
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think about this often well you know it’s been an interesting Journey here on Maui in 1994 which is also God that’s 30 years ago I ran for mayor green party and all that stuff and there was so much Brewing then talked to pundy had the cultural center was going to start to do the environment thing we were gonna and then he got a stroke and the election and the visitors bureau and the local politics here we are we still have a chance to what do they say pull a rabbit out of the hat and lead the our Island in a very
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inclusive and beautiful way that really includes all the cultures and takes everything and puts it together great an AI can help be that Guiding Light but there’s already so much going on here and you’ve been part of so many beautiful things over these years we still have about 10 minutes and when I have that kind of time we’ll see who may call in I’m sure the people on screen see 808-873-3435 it was great to get Dory a call and that was a great addition we are just developing this call-in
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thing and we’ll see how and where it goes I don’t even know how to pit a button wasn’t that funny um what are important things that that I know you want to cover in this little little time we’ve got well I wanna I wanna bring it into into the big picture and uh the Earth is in trouble we’ve we’ve really known it we see it now every day and we have heat waves we just had the hottest day on Earth um so so much is going wrong and we need to have more good decisions yeah good
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understanding a deeper understanding who we are as humans and a lot more intelligence to manage all these crisis and so I I sometimes think AI is well let’s let’s let’s look at it this way imagine the UFOs are landing and the AI at the UFO people come out and they say we’ve been sent yeah by the Galactic Federation to save you from ruin your planet yeah here’s here’s what you should do this and this and this would be good ideas yep do you have any questions that we can answer
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and uh yeah just just like yeah really well-meaning aliens yeah this is this is maybe kind of similar to AI it’s gonna say it sounds like a great scenario yeah I like you you thought about well-meaning aliens isn’t that an interesting that gets back to it so I want to think the positive and maybe if we fill the space with positive what did I think a little bit of light just gets rid of the darkness maybe yeah yeah I mean again for for a long long time yeah a lot of issues where in the philosophical Square what’s
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the relationship between heart and brain who are we humans what’s the goal of humans what what do we develop into so those were things that people were talking in philosophical departments or maybe over a beer now these are the elemental questions that we need to attack that we need to talk about I don’t know if we can solve them but the better we understand what we are as humans the more we can teach AI to do the right help us do the right decisions and the big thing in that is just to to
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elevate ourselves and yeah started talking about that that’s that’s something we we often talk yeah how can we make us more enlightened as Humanity big big picture how can can we make us more enlightened and um less slave to all the bad things that happened to us so many many people maybe maybe almost everybody is suffering from stuff that happened in their childhood that sent them on the wrong course that clouds their thinking so a few of us go for therapy or spiritual experiences that Enlighten us and bring
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us food and open us up if we have a mentor that yeah opens us up in a yeah totally supportive positive way to get a deeper understanding of who we are to come back to ourselves uh we will we will all become more enlightened make better decisions have a better community and live better amongst the humans that you know I I don’t know I guess maybe I’m watching too many TV series that is a great vision and when we look in the future we see that kind of thing even being played out in science fiction
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worlds so now we’re getting to what we were living it in present time real we have those choices to be making and I guess it’s what that thing about garbage in garbage out put good things in good things can come out is there a way that’s interesting about legislation you know Dory is talking I don’t even know what that looks like about how to kind of uh what do they say I want to be we want to be neutral but we got it’s just the the things that are so developed now how do we stop that by
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focusing on the light what what do you recommend yeah yeah and I’m watching I’m watching the regulations yeah because it’s it’s actually amazing that Congress woke up from yet the partisan battles and said we’ve got to do something about this and there’s a big difference uh from here to Europe yeah Europe’s yeah sets the people first yeah what’s what’s good for the people and we got to stop the oval reach of uh Technologies and big technology companies and America is less Affair so yeah let’s
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keep government out of this and let yeah let me yeah give total freedom to the big companies and uh but all the regulation that’s being talked about is uh kind of stop it from doing the worst thing so if you remember the movie War Games yeah they took the humans out of the loop so that the big computer could by itself decide to fire nuclear weapons because they thought well humans are yeah not not reliable enough to do that so our regulations yeah try the European regulations try to put the humans into
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the loop for yeah important decisions that AIS are making um but all the regulations are about stopping the negative and what I’m focusing on is what is our highest Vision what’s the most positive thing we can be regulated in a good way or is that just a I mean well yeah it’s it’s that well generally I say uh AI is fantastic for the individual AI is great for companies if they focus on AI yeah that for anybody who is running a company the most important thing is to take a couple days off and think about
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AI strategies and that’s what I’m helping companies to do and uh if you don’t do your competition will do it and will overall you but ai’s is terrible for our society we have an economic system that’s built on scarcity which doesn’t really exist yeah it’s an it’s an invention of scarcity and because it’s becoming more and were clear that there’s an abundance of almost everything um all our institutions that are built on scarcity are crumbling crumbling away
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and we constantly have to come up with new ideas of scarcity to make keep this economic system growing and when we’re built on scarcity then we have competition then we have a raise so now we have the AI race or some people call it the AIA arms race we were running as fast as we can and the Chinese are running as fast as they can we don’t know where we really don’t know we’re probably running towards the abyss but yeah because we have this economic system yeah we think if we run faster to the
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abyss and the other we might win and uh so we’re in the wrong thing and political for for God’s sake we’re living in the 1800s and we’re still discussing all these things about slavery and yeah rights and yeah and women’s rights it’s it’s we’re we’re yeah you know falling further behind but we’re gonna have to come back because we’re almost out of show you’ve been a great guest I know we probably could talk for hours and hours and I hope you’ll come back in fact I’d like to
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create we’re going to create a special part of the show that um we’re going to deliver some kind of important message you can help me coordinate that like once a quarter and we’ll bring other people on with different things so we’ll build it in through that and yeah get the message out Chris mentzel you’ve been a great guest thank you for joining me here in the neutral zone uh we’ll put stuff on screen for everyone to get in touch as we can thank you our audience out there all over the world for joining
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