Airielle interviewing LYNNE CONWELL, Neuro linguistic programming guru, longtime friend; one of the co-founders of the NLP Institute in San Francisco & Washington, DC; combines eastern and western philosophies 1994
Summary & Timestamped Transcript Below…
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Introduction and Island Vibes
The video opens with a lyrical, musical segment celebrating island life, emphasizing themes of community, love, resilience, and positivity. The narrator encourages viewers to “take that style with you” wherever they go, highlighting the importance of inner sunshine, helping each other, family love, and picking oneself up. The atmosphere is joyful, with imagery of sunny beaches, ocean sailing, and community gatherings. This sets a warm, hopeful tone that carries through the introduction to the guest segment.
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Guest Introduction: Lynn Conwell - Lynne Conwell is introduced as a teacher, workshop facilitator, and co-founder of NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) institutes in San Francisco and Washington DC.
- She is described as a visionary blending Western and Eastern philosophies, currently on a spiritual journey with profound wisdom.
- Lynn is traveling to Paris and Bali to teach and facilitate workshops.
- The host, Airielle, warmly welcomes Lynn, signaling the importance of her work and presence on Maui.
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Lynne’s Background and Philosophy - Lynn expresses her deep appreciation for Maui, calling it a sacred, beautiful place.
- She reflects on her extensive experience with NLP, explaining it as a Western philosophy and technology focused on understanding and improving human behavior.
- For nine years, Lynn immersed herself fully in NLP, then spent eight years studying Eastern philosophies, especially Indian spiritual traditions.
- She now blends these two traditions to enrich both her teaching and personal life, creating a holistic approach that combines technical skill with heart and wisdom.
- Lynn emphasizes that the Western approach, including NLP, can feel overly technical and lacks the nourishment and depth that Eastern spiritual wisdom provides.
- This integration allows for a more full-bodied experience of personal growth and transformation.
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Upcoming Workshops and Teaching Locations - Lynne is preparing to teach a workshop titled “The Heart of Emotions”, first in New York, then in Paris, followed by NLP workshops in Bali.
- She highlights Bali’s significance, noting its Hindu cultural backdrop as a fitting place to integrate Eastern philosophy with NLP.
- The workshops aim to offer a unique fusion of Western behavioral techniques and Eastern spiritual insights.
- Airielle and Lynne both express excitement about the impact and richness this approach will have for participants.
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What is Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP)? - Lynn simplifies NLP as a modeling technology that identifies and replicates the patterns of highly talented, successful people.
- NLP is described as a tool to unlock human potential by understanding how people think, feel, and behave.
- It helps people recognize their existing capabilities and develop new skills to turn dreams into reality.
- Lynn uses the metaphor of NLP as a “huge tool shed” from which individuals can select practical tools to improve their lives.
- A core function of NLP is to help people step back and witness their own behavior, enabling conscious change when outcomes are unsatisfactory.
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Practical Example: Eye Movement Patterns - Lynne explains how subtle physical cues, such as eye movements, reveal a person’s internal cognitive and emotional processes.
- The patterns are:
Eye Movement Direction Internal Process Description Eyes up Visual thinking – creating or recalling pictures Eyes left/right Auditory processing – listening to sounds or voices Eyes down left Internal dialogue – talking to oneself Eyes down right Emotional feeling – accessing feelings - Understanding these patterns helps individuals decode others’ internal experiences in real time, improving communication and empathy.
- This example demonstrates how even small NLP techniques provide powerful insights into human behavior.
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Sorting Patterns in NLP and Relationship Dynamics - Lynne introduces the concept of five primary sorting patterns humans use to organize their experiences:
Sorting Pattern Description Person Sorting experiences based on people and relationships Place Geographic or spatial sorting Information Sorting by facts or knowledge Activity Sorting by actions or tasks Fifth pattern Not specified/Uncertain - People generally have one primary sorting pattern, and sometimes one or two secondary ones.
- Lynne gives a relationship example where one partner sorts primarily by people and the other by activity:
- The people sorter focuses on relationships, emotions, and interpersonal details.
- The activity sorter focuses on tasks, experiences, and actions, often neglecting emotional or relational nuances.
- This mismatch can lead to misunderstandings and feelings of neglect because each partner prioritizes different aspects of experience.
- Lynne emphasizes the importance of recognizing and respecting these differences to improve communication and deepen relationships.
- She advocates for expanding one’s sorting flexibility, enabling individuals to access and value other sorting modes, thereby increasing empathy, influence, and personal growth.
- Lynne concludes that increasing awareness of others’ sorting patterns can be invaluable in saving relationships and enhancing human connection.
Key Insights and Conclusions
- NLP is a practical technology for understanding and modeling human talent and behavior, facilitating personal transformation.
- Combining Western NLP techniques with Eastern spiritual philosophies provides a richer, more nourishing approach to personal development.
- Simple behavioral cues, like eye movements, reveal complex internal processes that can improve communication and understanding.
- People process the world differently through distinct sorting patterns, and recognizing these can resolve interpersonal conflicts.
- Expanding flexibility in sorting patterns enhances empathy, communication, and overall human potential.
- The integration of these ideas offers powerful tools for relationship improvement and self-awareness.
Summary Timeline Table
| Timestamp | Topic | Summary |
|---|---|---|
| 00:03 – 05:48 | Island Life Song & Introduction to Lynn Conwell | Celebration of island life; Lynn is introduced as NLP expert blending East-West wisdom. |
| 05:48 – 09:07 | Lynn’s Background and Philosophy | NLP immersion and spiritual journey; blending of Western and Eastern philosophies. |
| 09:07 – 11:05 | Upcoming Workshops in NY, Paris, Bali | Workshop themes and locations; Bali’s cultural significance for teaching NLP. |
| 11:05 – 13:07 | Explanation of NLP | NLP as modeling technology unlocking human potential; practical tools for life change. |
| 13:07 – 17:02 | Eye Movement Patterns and Communication | Practical NLP example decoding eye movements to understand internal thought processes. |
| 17:02 – 22:20 | Sorting Patterns and Relationship Dynamics | Five sorting patterns; example of people vs. activity sorters in relationships; solutions. |
Glossary
| Term | Definition |
|---|---|
| NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) | A technology and methodology to model human excellence and facilitate behavioral change. |
| Sorting Patterns | Cognitive filters through which individuals organize experience (person, place, activity, etc.) |
| Patterning | Recognizing and understanding recurring behavioral and cognitive processes. |
| Eye Movement Patterns | Observable eye directions linked to specific internal mental processes (visual, auditory, etc.) |
| Eastern Philosophy | Spiritual traditions and wisdom originating from Asia, emphasizing heart and wisdom. |
This summary is strictly based on the provided transcript content, reflecting the key points, examples, and philosophical insights shared by Lynne Conwell and the host.
Aloha I’m Ariel your co-hostess for Mama presents and Mama has the great pleasure of presenting a really outrageous lady to you her name is Lynne Conwell and she is a wonderful friend of mine and she’s visiting us here on Maui she’s on her way to Paris and Bali and she’s a teacher and a workshop
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facilitator she has worked on many different levels for many different years she was one of the co-founders of the NLP institutes in San Franc Francisco she was the founder of the NLP Institute in Washington DC and she was one of the first people to work with the founders of NLP for the past eight years she’s basically been on a spiritual journey and at this point in her life she’s got tremendous wisdom and ability to incorporate these two Western and Indian philosophies and to offer people a very
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unique experience I’d like to welcome her and give her to you and let her tell you a little bit about what she’s going to be teaching in parison and Bali that way you can get an idea of what she’s all about so welcome Lynn thank you for joining us thank you Airielle before I start I’d like to say it’s my great pleasure to be here on this island and with its people it certainly is a place I dream about living myself as I hop around the country country I always hold Maui is very sacred to me and and
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it’s so beautiful gosh Airielle as I hear you talk about uh all of the activities I’ve done in NLP I just don’t feel that I could be that old you sure know what you mean really you don’t look at either oh thank you she says that because she’s a true friend as far as what I’m doing currently it’s very much taking the the Western philosophy of NLP uh which really isn’t anything new Under the Sun it really had the Brilliance to skim the top and the best of all the other disciplines and have it
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come together in such a way as that it could order it could offer everything well in New York uh which is where I’m going to stop on my my way to Paris I’m going to be uh reviewing a workshop that I’ve put together in the last two years on emotions it’s called the heart of emotions and then when I get to Paris we’ll uh have a two-day workshop on that and then I’ll be teaching neural linguistic programming there and what I find is in the last couple of years first of all let me tell you for
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nine years I did nothing but drink sleep talk walk NLP and then for the last eight years I’ve kind of disappeared from the world and studied more of the Eastern ways and philosophies and now I’m I’m blending those two worlds and I feel so much more involved in my teaching in my life with that compliment it’s really a great thing that you can combine these eastern and western philosophies and off ER them to people in the way that you do well thank you I I feel that as a Westerner uh you
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and I weren’t born in a cave so obviously we’re to be out here in the world however the the Western Way even NLP which is a highly technical um or at least it’s known for a highly technical approach to learning into Behavior I feel really needed more nourishment of the heart in the wisdom from forever ago which is where the Eastern philosophies came in quite dramatically to give a depth to both myself my teaching and also the wisdom of neural linguistic programming and the other techniques that I blend in well I
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I really do understand that because I’ve had that experience myself and um Lynn also does healing work in a form of absu shanka which she’s been studying now for many years as well as myself and so it’s just an incredible talent to be able to blend these worlds that um can be brought together with someone who has such a brilliant mind as yourself an ability to do that and someone who has such a passion for God as well well I do have a passion for God the brilliant mind comes and it goes in The Human
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Condition yes it certainly does so please tell us give us h a little bit more about what you’re going to be doing in Bali I’m very excited about that trip I’ve always wanted to go to Bali and I understand it’s so beautiful I know you have actually I was afraid to tell you because when I first met Ariel she was on her way to Bali and eight years later she still has not made it I’m very excited about Bali as you know it’s very Hindu and we are teaching neural linguistic programming there which allows me for
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the first time to be able troduce to introduce more of that Eastern philosophy how that breaks down on a more practical level is first let me give you a little description of neural linguistic programming right I was just going to say so I think you should tell them what neural linguistic programing I have trouble saying those words basically it’s a very very fancy phrase for something that’s quite simple the the founders of NLP were in have the talent to be able to look to research to read and to go in video
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actually the people who are on the Leading Edge of their professions with great talents at being able to provoke change to provoke uh inspiration in people and they gathered all this information together and started seeing what patterns were there in these different people that made them so talented and then they were hungry they wanted those talents so they developed a technology in which they could elicit talents from people and then install those in talents in themselves oh I like that idea let’s let’s get more Talent so
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it was basically a modeler’s technology actually even more simplified NLP lets us know what we as human beings have what equipment we have in order to make our way in this world in order to understand to connect to have relationships and to be able to have our dreams come true therefore it also recognize out of the incredible potential we have how little we’re making of that potential of that potential and when we start to see what we could do and what we are doing then the only thing that has to happen are the skills
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and the tools and the technology that will allow us to be able to adapt those dreams into reality that sounds really exciting and but H how could that like really work you know I mean how do we how do we know how to do that for ourselves and how to change it I mean are there types or right right with some examples uh I want to do I want to say something very practical so even just listening you you’ll have something that you can use immediately it’s as though NLP were a huge Tool Shed of all the things that we
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have available for us and it points them out in in a way of patterning it teaches you how to pattern to not only be in your life from moment to moment in process to be able to step out and start being a witness to your ongoing experience you’re still involved in it you’re still Associated but you now have a part of you that has the huge picture of your behavior and its responses to people so that if something is not going the way you want it you can then change it now patterning how is patterning
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important how is it effective how does it help build a witness let me give you an example if you talk to someone as Ariel and I are talking you’ll notice that our eyes move from place to place as we’re talking and they may look random for someone who hasn’t um a pattern of eye movement now let me just very quickly explain when the eyes go up what we have found out is people are making pictures inside their head whoa unless they’re looking at the ceiling but when their eyes go up they’re seeing pictures
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either from their past or making up pictures or storing in pictures so up is Vision up is Vision that’s it now from the right to the left is the is sound talking auditory music and when you see somebody’s eyes going one way or the other or both ways then you get a clue that what they’re doing inside is listening so is sound one way and or they’re both sound they’re both sound someone could be listening to sound music lyrics talking or all the like the sound of the Waves sounds
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pretty now there’s another addition to the to the hints you can get from someone speaking in their head and that is if their eyes go down to the left and that means they’re talking to themselves like the um top dog and bottom dog gee I wish it were cooler in here well it’s cool enough just sit there and be comfortable those kind of little Chatters can go on and then the last one is when the eyes go down to the right they’re in their feelings so now what seemed absolutely random before has an order to it by
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mean if you’ve got just those little tools and you can um tell so much if you really understood that I mean I’ve never studied this as you know and you’ve shared a little bit with me but that amazes me when I really get every time I hear it that you can really get so much and I’ve watched you do some pretty simple little things with people that um maybe you could give us an experience of so so aren’t there types as well Lynn I mean you I I remember you talked to me about there were different types or
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different kinds of people youan the major sorting patterns I think is what you’re referring to what we have um noticed over the last decade really is that when people sort through their world there are five different categories and that basically is it and each person seems to take one as their primary and maybe they have two more sophisticated ones of us may have three um that’s not very many we’re pretty simple huh as I said before the amount of our human potential that we’re using is very
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tiny so getting back to these sorting patterns I’d like to talk about two of them we have people sort by place by activity by information by person and I forgotten the last one no that’s person place information activity and things the one that so many people don’t understand how anyone could sort for and uh most of the time I I think it’s fairly easy I’d like to give you an example of two of them however let’s say you have a man and a woman and they’re in a relationship one of them sorts for
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people and the other one sorts for activity so what does that mean if you were to ask them about their day the person who sort for person would probably sound something like this my day was incredible I met Jason at 8:00 he took me to lunch he was in the greatest mood and an old friend came in of his that he had gone to college with and they sat down for hours and um on and on and on she would talk about the person others herself how they’re feeling what they look like anything that had to do with people her
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boyfriend if you asked him how his day was it may sound something yep you got it like this well we got up and I wanted to go for a run so I looked down my my sneakers were there and I was off I love running I just love the experience in my body I love the way uh the air moves and and then I had to be on my way because I was going to a class and we were learning the final piece on this important lawsuit I’ve been working on later on that night we’re going to get a group of friends and go out to dinner
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and then we’re going to go back to the house and I was going to get in another hour of exercise well this guy must be in really good shape he’s in really good shape except for when it comes to her feeling he cares about her he doesn’t focus on or perceive um her importance on asking her how she feels how her day was whom did she meet and since that’s what’s important to her she feels misunderstood he feels she’s too emotional too interested in people too uh focused on what others want where with him people
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aren’t something at least in this first uh example his primary sort people are not basically important to his Focus except if he’s doing an activity with him so he may have good friends but the friends are only in relationship to the activity like he may see Harry only once a year when they go skiing and John when they go fishing so how how would it help them how would it help them to know that that he like um is this activity Sorter and she’s this people sorter well first of all when we get to widening that
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human potential each one of us can sort all those ways we can have Rec we can have flexibility in our Behavior and the greater the flexibility the greater influence the greater power and the greater depth of experience an individual can have so first of all they can recognize what’s important to each other become more conscious of that and also to become uh wider in their scope of ability to elicit the responses they want from themselves and from other people by putting on and incorporating
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within them another whole realm that has been dormant in each of their experiences well that would be some pretty valuable information it sounds like it might even save a relationship uh I I’m I’ve certainly felt that way because I’m one of those people feeling kind of people and I know I haven’t been able to understand when um they don’t understand why people are important to me
