AIRIELLE’S WORLD – 1996 Airielle PEARSON with STARHEART, DARIENNE HELLER. Longtime friends, let’s glimpse into two wonderful women.
Summary & Timestamped Transcript Below…
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Exploring Feminine Vulnerability and the Sacred Circle
The conversation opens with a reflection on female vulnerability and the unique understanding women have of this state due to their lived experiences. The speaker emphasizes the importance of “allowance”—creating space where both men and women can feel safe enough to express their authentic selves. This is crucial for bringing forth hidden or suppressed voices, particularly the feminine voice that often remains unheard. - The concept of the “sacred circle” is introduced as a vital tool for healing and connection. The sacred circle is likened to a womb-like space where women gather to listen deeply to one another from a place of vulnerability and heart-centered intention. This circle fosters mutual sharing of inner mysteries and voices that have never been fully expressed or acknowledged before.
- The speaker is currently focused on the archetype of the Crone, exploring the deep feminine wisdom and voice that society has often silenced or marginalized. This journey involves confronting internalized beliefs that feminine qualities—intuition, connection to earth, love of movement and music—are trivial or unwelcome in the “real world.”
- Through writing and sculpting, the speaker is reclaiming and honoring these feminine parts of herself, recognizing that what was once suppressed is actually a powerful and necessary aspect of identity. She hopes to extend this healing and honoring to other women, encouraging them to embrace their own feminine gifts without shame.
- [Key insight]: Feminine qualities have often been pushed underground because they were deemed inappropriate or irrelevant in mainstream society, but reclaiming and valuing these qualities is essential for personal and collective healing.
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Acknowledgment and Rediscovery of Feminine Wisdom
A personal anecdote reinforces the theme of hidden feminine knowledge. One speaker recounts how as a child, her intuitive knowing and healing abilities were acknowledged privately by her mother but strictly kept secret, illustrating societal discomfort with openly embracing feminine wisdom. - This secrecy and suppression are common, leading to a collective forgetting of what feminine wisdom truly is. The current journey involves rediscovering and naming these qualities so that women can confidently express their diverse gifts.
- There is a cultural programming that equates value only with overt, dramatic change, but quiet acts of beauty and nurturing can profoundly affect the world, often invisibly.
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Personal Transformation Through Self-Discovery and Simplicity
One speaker shares a deeply personal story about undergoing a major life transition around age 49 after a devastating divorce. This period involved intense isolation—living in a remote area, disconnected from career and relationships, feeling lost and unsure of what she truly loved to do. - She describes the pain of losing her authentic self after years of overriding her own desires to meet external expectations. The process of recovery required patient self-inquiry, questioning which thoughts and feelings were genuinely hers versus those imposed by others.
- A pivotal moment came during a chance encounter with Joseph Campbell, who encouraged her to find her “bliss.” This validation helped her realize that her journey was legitimate and important, not self-indulgent.
- The discovery of joy in simple breathing and movement became the foundation of her healing and reconnection with self. Contrary to expectations of grandeur, she found deep fulfillment in these basic, embodied practices.
- This story illustrates the power of returning to simplicity as a path to uncovering one’s true gifts and voice.
- [Key insight]: Authentic self-expression often grows from simple, personal practices rather than grand ambitions, and finding one’s bliss is a valid and vital journey.
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The Power of Simplicity and Presence
The discussion turns to the importance of simplicity as a guiding principle. Drawing on Einstein’s wisdom, the speaker advocates reducing life and creativity to its simplest, most essential elements without oversimplifying. - The simplest truth or practice can serve as a seed or portal into deeper connection with the whole, free from distraction or complexity. This approach honors the core essence within each person and supports unfolding of creativity and healing.
- The conversation closes this segment with mutual appreciation, affirming the beauty and depth found in “simple truths.”
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Community Gatherings and Contact Information
The speakers discuss upcoming opportunities for connection and community engagement: - A women’s gathering titled “Reawakening the Crone in the Sacred Circle” will be held on Maui, with a one-day event at Monalia Gardens on February 27 and a residential gathering in late March (dates Not specified precisely).
- These gatherings aim to continue the work of creating safe, womb-like spaces for women to reclaim and share their feminine wisdom.
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Reflections on Collaboration and Future Conversations
The hosts reflect on the ease and dynamic nature of their conversation, highlighting the value of spontaneous, intimate dialogue over heavily scripted interviews. They appreciate the balance brought by the male and female perspectives, noting that men and women both need to reconnect with the feminine within themselves. - The idea of future shows involving multiple voices, including men, is proposed to broaden the discussion around the feminine and its role in the world.
- They also note the importance of kindness and support between men and women, recognizing that vulnerability is a shared experience that can foster deeper understanding.
- The conversation ends with expressions of gratitude, mutual respect, and a commitment to continue exploring these themes in future dialogues.
Key Concepts and Themes
| Concept | Description |
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| Feminine Vulnerability | Recognizing and honoring the inherent vulnerability in feminine energy in both women and men |
| Sacred Circle | A womb-like, safe space for women to share and listen to each other’s hidden voices |
| Reawakening the Crone | Rediscovering and celebrating the wisdom of the older feminine archetype |
| Suppression of Feminine | Societal tendency to marginalize feminine qualities such as intuition, creativity, and nurturing |
| Finding Bliss | The process of discovering what truly brings joy and fulfillment, often through simplicity |
| Simplicity as a Portal | Using simple, essential practices to connect deeply to self and the universe |
| Community Gatherings | Organized events to support feminine healing and expression |
| Male-Female Balance | Emphasizing the importance of men and women supporting and understanding the feminine within |
Summary
This video conversation centers on the exploration and reclamation of the feminine voice and wisdom, especially aspects that have been marginalized or hidden due to cultural conditioning. Through personal storytelling and philosophical reflection, the speakers highlight the importance of creating safe spaces such as sacred circles where women can reconnect with their authentic selves and share their unique gifts.
The journey toward feminine empowerment involves embracing vulnerability, rediscovering suppressed qualities, and honoring the diversity of feminine expressions—whether grand or subtle. A key lesson shared is the transformative power of returning to simple, embodied practices such as breathing and movement, which can pave the way for healing and creativity.
The dialogue also stresses the need for mutual understanding between men and women, recognizing that vulnerability and the feminine are universal experiences. Upcoming community gatherings and opportunities for connection are announced, aimed at supporting this ongoing work.
Ultimately, the conversation is a heartfelt invitation to listen deeply to oneself and others, to value simplicity and presence, and to nurture the feminine in all its forms for personal and collective transformation.
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because they know it’s there and it is vulnerable and no one could understand it better than a woman because she knows how vulnerable she is in the world well thank you for letting me join this and it’s a question of allowance as well you know for both the man and the woman because we have to come into a place to allow to allow that to come forth come forth see that’s that’s the whole thing is to really find a way for that part to feel safe now i i feel safe in my cave i feel safe in in my home which is my sanctuary
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to write my stories and to find my way through sculptor and find out what’s looking back at me but what about what happens when i come into an arena that’s not quite as safe so how can we make the arena safe and one of the ways that we’re doing this is to have women’s gatherings and actually we’re calling them reawakening the crone and in the sacred circle the sacred circle being a place that’s like a womb actually and which all the women in that circle really listen to each other
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from the heart from their own vulnerable place and from really wanting to know what is that mystery in you what is that voice that’s never been heard what is that i want to hear that voice i want to i want to share that voice with you and i would love for you to share that voice with me and it is such a rare rare place that that can happen so that’s what those circles are truly about now and that’s my way of making a contribution well the sacred circle you know i think i don’t know how familiar a lot of you
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are with the sacred circle but the sacred circle is is a very very tool that has been used forever of time yes and it represents the wholeness it represents the continuum and the wholeness the coming together for the whole like we were talking earlier about the pieces of the fabric it’s so wonderful that jason came in you know when you when you are writing your book aren’t you talking about the elders the men as well i haven’t gotten to that part yet i’m still i’m still um i mean of course it’s it it involves
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that uh at this particular moment it’s just on the crime um i’m really looking as deeply within myself as i can to to really know what’s true what is true for me what is the depth of my voice what is that voice that i have never said that i’ve swallowed that i have pulled back that i have kept away because i thought the world didn’t really want it and see this is this is another thing that i find so intriguing when i really begin to look at this is that what i discovered that many of
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the things that i thought were not okay about me absolutely as a person was mainly because it was not okay in the world for me to have these feminine qualities like the natural knowing or my intuition or my abilities to really tune in are my uh my love for um touching and moving and being in my body for for really loving to be in the earth right the singing and drumming and things like that um that these things were i mean it’s like okay that’s nice but you know do that over there somewhere we don’t
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really need this stuff in the real world that’s not the real world so a lot of that kind of went underground and kind of got sat on because i thought something was wrong with me and what i’m beginning to discover in the writing and in the sculpting is how to bring those things out of the shadows and really look at them and honor them as parts of myself but also parts of the feminine and if i can do that if i can do that in myself then i can do that for my dear friends for other women that i know and
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and love i will take those parts of myself back and embrace them and really love them uh those parts that i thought were not wanted and um certainly um that there actually was something wrong with them and it was just my feminine qualities that’s right i’m sitting here laughing to myself as you’re talking and i’m thinking you know well i you know i grew up a little differently than most people with the family that i had but i remember when i was a little girl saying to my mother about knowing
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something the knowing you know that i knowing something and um and also knowing something about being able to heal you know and my mother said yes you know but don’t tell anybody so it was like even if it was acknowledged that it was there it was keep don’t tell anybody right you know yes you do know that but don’t go tell those people at school you know be quiet i was just sitting here laughing to myself that because you know even though i better than most people at least it was acknowledged that it was there
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because for most people it’s not even acknowledged that yes that’s all right to be there you know and except but even if it was it was so we’ve been so kept under the covers i think that that’s why i was saying i feel like it’s about finding out well we really don’t know what those qualities what it is because we’ve put them away and we’ve sort of forgotten about them but they’re still there they’re still there and that is really the the journey for me at the moment
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is discovering those things um and i think it’s really important because only then will we know uh who that true feminine is and how she can operate in the world and i think every single person will have a different way this is part of the feminine too absolutely that we all won’t be the same you know that every that you’ll offer one thing and i’ll offer another another woman may say my god all i really want to do is to have the most beautiful garden so that i can have people come
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and see the beauty of flowers yeah that may be the greatest gift that she could offer now if she wasn’t encouraged to do that that would that might not happen because she didn’t think it was important she didn’t think it’s some silly thing and it was a waste of time or a waste of time it’s not right that’s a big one you know is that so many of us have been programmed to think that doing something like that is a waste of time if we’re not working to take that inner time right
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you know it’s it’s very important i think we think that uh if it doesn’t change the world dramatically right now so that we can all see it that perhaps it’s not worthwhile now i think the woman and the garden and wanting people to see how beautiful flowers can be and perhaps and seeing that see how beautiful that they are that reflection will change the world in a way that no one will recognize her people won’t say well oh isn’t she wonderful but what a difference she has made in
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this world and a lot the allowance of people opening their hearts to that beauty you know i mean i i agree we each have our own specific gifts and you know i have such great admiration for you i truly do i’ve known you ever since i’ve been on maui which is what 15 years now six my 16 years something like i’ve lost me too but i really i’ve just been in love with you all these years and i’ve always held this at admiration because you have the ability to say this is what i need to do now
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you know you say no i i as much as you love to play and sing and make music you i really admire you and you say i i need to stay home you won’t know how i got like right you want to know how that happened sure how did that happen well this i’m the reason i’d like to tell you is because i i i think that it’s a process that i actually that i was actually involved in um at a time when i was about 49 years old and i didn’t know at the time that i was involved in this process how powerful
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it was so i i just want to say this in in case anybody is listening out there that at that time i had just gotten a divorce i was devastated um although i was the one that that did took the walking papers but i was i was really devastated because i had my whole career was involved in that career and the husband and all kinds of things and i decided somewhere very deep in myself that i would only do the things that i really love to do that i wouldn’t do anything that i didn’t want to do and if
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there was any doubt that i wouldn’t do it until the doubt was removed now that was a very deep um sort of agreement i had with myself i i wasn’t even that conscious of it at the moment um in order to escape all of the the pain of the of the of the situation i left the place where i was and and rented a small house out in the backwoods of carmel valley and about six months into that situation where i had really cut myself off from the world and about all i was doing was sitting by a stream
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staring in space i did that one too i understand i i thought i was going to go crazy right i i really and truly thought i was going crazy you know why the reason i thought that i would literally go off the deep end was because i did not know what i really loved to do i didn’t know i had sold myself for so long i had overridden myself for so long i had given up my thoughts and feelings for so long for everything else to work and which was a fine thing to do except that what happened was that i
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overdid it i kind of lost myself in the shuffle i was desperate i think that’s a very common thing for women i know i did that and i i went through a period of time where i had to stop myself in every moment and say wait a minute whose thoughts are these anyway are these real is this really my thought is this really my reaction or is this my reaction trying to be what it was that my husband wanted me to think and be or the world wants me to think could be you know who’s really thinking this
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right well something outside of yourself anyway absolutely and when i had nothing outside of myself i had cut myself off from all the things i had done from my career from my kids from relationships um i did i had no way to uh know who i was because i wasn’t doing anything and i’m telling you it took all the courage thank god i had the angels of somebody out there and the guidance to every time i would start to take a step back out i just go oh i can’t stand this any longer i am going to go back
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into my career i’m going to go find something to do that will take me out of this misery and pain for not knowing what i really love to do what i really wanted to do and i was walking down the street one day in carmel and i happened to run into a man named joseph campbell who i had met before and we’d had a great connection and he was happy to see me and he said well hello there uh what are you doing these days and here i am looking at the man who’s done everything i mean he’s written the the
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myth of the world you know and i’m going to have to say well i will say oh my god and i remember looking right down at my shoes i couldn’t look at him in the eyes and i said um well i’m not doing anything right now and he picked me up swirled me around right in the middle of the street and said good for you you now you’re going to find the bliss which is the first time i ever heard him say that he’s famous for it now and i said the bliss the bliss what is that and he said you are going to find out
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now what that did for me was to at least let me know that i wasn’t uh a self-indulgent you know yes yeah can i say that but anyway i wasn’t self-indulging that i was actually on some kind of path that other people had been on before so it didn’t happen immediately but one day i was coming down out from uh from being waking up that morning and i had to come down through my living room which basically had nothing in it and except the sound system and for some reason i laid down on the floor
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and i started breathing and i realized that one of the things that i really love to do is to breathe because i really could feel the breathing i don’t think i’d ever felt breathing before it’s just something i did you know right well i could feel the breathing and it was just this incredible thing and i got up and i went in the kitchen to get some tea and i was wow i found something i really love to do here and the next morning i did the same thing i laid down on the floor and i began to breathe and eventually my
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breathing took me into i just followed the breathing and it took me into some very subtle movements and as time went on i’ve discovered that i really love to move i really loved to be connected to my breath and my breath connected to the movement and my movement connected to my own actual my own personal healing and a whole thing moved out of that something came out of that that i was able to offer back to the world again but it was not a big thing the reason i was overlooking it was because i thought
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the thing i love to do is certainly going to be a great big huge thing that i was going to go out and say okay now i know what i love to do i love to write novels and i was going to be great novel or something it was just that simple thing of finding what i love to do i love to do that’s beautiful star heart that’s so that’s how now when somebody says well what do you think or how do you feel i i take the time to go in there and and really trust that somewhere in me that i’ll know
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and it’s important to listen when you ask you know and i that’s you do that so beautifully that that’s that’s the last part of that journey that has to go along with it i think you know because a lot of people ask and they hear and they think oh no that’s too simple or that’s too that that’s not it couldn’t be that that’s not enough you know and it’s important like see that’s what i see you do i see you listen and i see you take that and then yes okay i will stay home and
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write right now and well simplicity [Music] is a great guide einstein was well we all know who he is you know he was pretty brainy fellow and he said bring it all down to its most simple thing and but not overdo it so that you don’t oversimplify you just bring it down to its most simple place and i have found that when i do that that when i find that simple place when i find that central point that oneness that still plays that within that is everything the simplest thing can put you in touch
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with it all because it’s the seed because it’s the seed and because you’re not distracted with all these other things with all the the frills and the glamour and uh all those things which is fun to do but on the other side of it not that one’s any better than the other but also to really honor that place of simplicity because it will take you into the center where everything opens thank you starhart you have such beautiful great wisdom and i love you very much and this has been a simple
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show really basically we’ve covered really simple beautiful like when you were saying simple i thought that’s what this is you know it’s like these are truths you know there’s simple truths and if we can share this simpleness and and people can understand what you’re saying and i wish you so much success on your book i know it’ll be wonderful like you say there’s nothing else there like that but i’d love to come back and we’d like to do this with you again you know and talk some more about this
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so and do we want to take a quick look at your art here well did you get did you have a chance to do that did you take that away yeah when you mentioned the tiger and the lady on the back i swung over to the tiger and the lady in the back but i think we should do a quick tour uh thank you for being on the show with us it’s been wonderful thank you jason i want to be sure that we get some kind of phone number a way people can get in touch with you that’s comfortable or an address oh okay well uh what you
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may be doing i’m i’m very up-to-date i have an email email is all small letters s s-t-a-r dot h-e-a-r-t at t as in tom d is in david p is in paul anyway oh uh let’s see now i i would love to give you um you can put it through dream makers dream makers no that’s the best that’s fine you can contact star heart through dream makers thank you but the people that don’t have computers and emails and things i would love to very much um if there’s anybody that wants to be in touch with
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me i’d love to have that happen um because i’m a gemini gemini’s love to send you a shot email so um please do contact me through these people uh green what is it dream maker foundation or mama arts and music association which is any of those will do mama presents is uh being shown under yeah you know that’s this is my chance to stick my face in and then we’re going to do a tour mama stands for the maui arts and music association that’s right maui arts and music association you thought it was me right
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that we’re now starting to let people know here is dream makers foundation because we help people make their dreams come true we give a a place where we can work with others to do things we don’t do it we don’t wave a wand like merlin but we know that the real merlin is that we get in touch with what’s inside and we work with others to do together just like you talk about a circle all right should i is it art if i say when they get uh when the gatherings are sure please please please okay
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um there’ll be a one day gathering um at monalia gardens on february the 27th and this is reawakening the crone in the sacred circle um this is really mostly for the women on maui um in march in the last five days of march i think it’s march 20. i’ve forgotten the dates 27th to the 29th or something like that i’m not quite sure the dates now but but they can check with arielle they can check with ariel isn’t the number what’s it about five seven yes that uh that would be the gathering um the
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reawakening of the crone in the sacred circle and at that time it’s a residential and there will be people invited from all over the world to that one so if you would like more information about that contact mama there she is what’s your number again mama what’s my number jason five seven three three seven one say it one more time for these kids five seven three three zero seven one so thank you so much for joining us today are we going to do this little tour here are we calling this
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the end of your show why don’t you say thank you again and then we’ll do it and we’ll use those cuts where you want to okay so we really thank you very much give a breather so i have room to edit okay so we thank you very much for being here with us today and we hope that this has touched your heart and your soul and given you another thought about who it is that you are and what you are becoming and we’re so grateful to star heart and thank you jason for being there behind the camera
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and thank you very much we love you tune in with us again aloha now let’s if we could were you happy with that yeah that was fun i want to do it again yeah that’s what i said we’ll do it again let’s get what would be fun is to look at it yeah and see where can we go from there i think you’re going to find it right you guys how did you feel i said you and i can work together very easily yeah i i felt good about it very good i thought i’m talking but but that’s okay because you wanted to
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and that’s cool you know i mean it was like i got i put in little stories yeah yeah you know so that was fine yeah um it would be you know next time i’d like to do is like bring something up and then ask you how you yeah about it and then you can ask me how i feel about it right a little more choose that’s why i said to you so what do you find is yours your your forefront yeah you know that’s why i said that to you because they want they want they want to feel like it’s you and i
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talking and they’re sitting there you know and that’s cool they want to be talked to too but but they really like that intimate stuff you know it’s like when when elsita said did you hear about elsita she was sitting there talking about her stuff for the book she said and she’s got and she’s got this one pile that is uh for the book and she’s got she gives them initials f for the book f o b right ftb and then she’s got another pile that’s not for the book nf tv right and then she’s got another
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pile that is too hot for the book and she said she was so cute she said to me the other day she said you know since that show has been on television she’s said i’ve been approached by so many people and she’s it’s really opened me up a lot she says i’m moving some of my too hot for the book into the fourth book [Laughter] is much much much your senior i look forward to both of you ladies growing in the years and also being great stars in your own right you’re really already contributing so much
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in the years to come i hope that more and more people not only men women and men appreciate the value of the feminine and i appreciate your focus on women the women need that so do the men and that may be part of my role and why i’ve had such a great opportunity to be invited and others were invited but they didn’t come and i’ve had special times with groups of women and it’s been really very satisfying it might be interesting sometime i i don’t know whether you’ve ever done an
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interview with more than one person but yeah to um bring in a man jason’s very good all right bringing you all right such i would probably have already but i think we got you guys are good at talking to somebody on the camera and uh i mean that little deal that we did there was really to me it was really uh really juicy he’s very good he’s very good at asking questions and um i started this show interviewing the president electric company that was the way i started and then we brought
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ariel in to do interviews because i wanted her to be more involved in the show and how we’ve used that as a focus in fact this show could even be doubly used if you will or the next one can be a breakaway ariel interviewing different people the two of you together are very dynamic also star heart and i balance each other off very nicely you know we’ve said that for a long time because it’s just so the air it’s not pushed the star in the air it’s not pushed i think that that i
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understand i understand and uh i got i think some see we could have gone into talking about astrology we get there you know i wanted to to say that you know one of the things that i really feel so strongly about is it’s like all my life i sat and went um what am i here for what am i here for what am i here for what am i here for why am i here what am i supposed to be doing what am i here for and it was like i came when i’ve really investigated this with the crone and moved into this period
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i what i see that this is what i’m here for this is author shears when i said what am i here for what am i here for it’s to redefine what it means to be woman what it means to be older woman what it means to be grown yeah well from the crown place you can sort of look back which is something else i’d like to say but it would be really interesting i think jason yeah to have you uh or whoever but i mean you certainly i feel comfortable with you you feel comfortable with us and you feel
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comfortable with the um to have to to do an interview or whatever you want to call it with you in it because that it’s really alive it’s really new stuff and it and it brings the balance into it you know automatically just by you being there it’s not me uh sitting here saying well you know the women women women and the men too but you are here and saying well well what is it like i would love to do that because i think men and women have neither one of us have been able to really touch that deep
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inner feminine and how to operate in the world you can’t operate in the world with your feminine well look at this long hair i was thinking about it as you were talking being able to be wearing a very more colorful shirt or all the different qualities that are feminine in a man and i take bold new steps in all kinds i mean for somebody just to hear you as a man saying this you know you’re you’re not gay out on anything against that uh but you you’re not and you’re not you know airy fairy you
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well thank you for being part of this show i wish we had two and a half hour show we’d have even more on but what i’m saying is this is the next show [Laughter] i think what you say is true i like to keep the camera rolling because you know it’s what we’re saying i was telling arielle i don’t like too much setup before the show of discussion because the juice we can get out right here otherwise those questions and that discussion are satisfied before we get to share it so i’m glad to have this i want to do this
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again no you want to do it again too right yeah so we’ll do it again next time with jason aloha for now hello may there always be rainbows in your life and stars in your heart god bless you
