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UP CLOSE 2016 Jason with ALAN KAUFMAN, Candidate for Maui County Council, Haiku seat
Summary & Transcript
Alan shares his unique perspective shaped by his veterinary work with ranchers and farmers across Maui’s diverse microclimates, underscoring the challenges of existing laws that do not consider the realities of agricultural practices, such as leash laws affecting working cattle dogs. He stresses the importance of informed decision-making based on data, discernment, and action, drawing parallels between his veterinary role and the responsibilities of council members.
The interview also touches on the political dynamics of Maui County’s at-large voting system and Alan’s advocacy for district voting, which he believes would help voters better understand candidates and local issues. Alan discusses his respect for his opponents, including incumbent Mike White, highlighting their long-standing personal relationship and differing professional backgrounds.
Family and community values are a recurring theme. Alan describes his ethnically diverse family and the conflict resolution skills he has developed, which he believes are vital for improving the often contentious relationship between the mayor and the council. He laments the current political bickering and calls for more harmony and productive discourse to benefit the community.
Financial and resource challenges are also addressed. Alan critiques the County’s budgeting process, property tax policies, and the difficulty in securing adequate funding for essential services like public safety and fire departments. He points out the tension between maintaining low property taxes and funding necessary county services, arguing for better prioritization and more sustainable fiscal policies.
The interview concludes with Alan’s commitment to a donation-free campaign, urging supporters to contribute to local nonprofits instead. He expresses hope for collaborative, innovative approaches to Maui’s agricultural future, emphasizing open dialogue and community involvement to tackle pressing environmental, economic, and social challenges.
Highlights
- [02:15] Alan Kaufman draws parallels between veterinary medicine and political decision-making: gathering data, using discernment, and taking action.
- [04:10] Working cattle dogs and agricultural needs clash with existing leash laws on Maui, illustrating why agricultural voices are essential on the Council.
- [07:32] Alan respects his opponents, including Mike White, and emphasizes that his campaign is about adding his agricultural perspective, not opposing individuals.
- [14:09] Water rights and East Maui irrigation are critical uncertainties affecting the future of farming on Maui’s Central Valley lands.
- [17:12] ️ Alan advocates for reducing political animosity and fostering respectful, harmonious relationships among Maui’s leaders.
- [19:44] Alan’s campaign refuses contributions, encouraging donations to nonprofits that support Maui’s environment and community instead.
- [29:09] ️ Alan supports implementing district voting to help voters better connect with candidates and local issues.
Key Insights
- [02:15] Veterinary Medicine as a Model for Governance: Alan Kaufman’s experience as a veterinarian informs his approach to governance—emphasizing the importance of careful listening, data collection, and sound judgment before taking action. This analogy underscores his commitment to thoughtful, evidence-based policy-making and positions him as a candidate who values practical problem-solving over political rhetoric.
- [04:10] Agricultural Law Disconnect: The leash law example reveals a disconnect between existing regulations and agricultural realities. Working cattle dogs must be off-leash to perform their duties, yet current laws penalize this practice. This illustrates broader issues of regulatory frameworks that fail to incorporate agricultural stakeholders’ input, highlighting the need for farmers’ and ranchers’ representation on the Council to create sensible policies that support local agriculture.
- [14:09] Water Security as a Precondition for Agricultural Viability: The uncertainty surrounding East Maui irrigation water rights is a fundamental challenge for any agricultural future on Maui. Without reliable, long-term access to water, investments in infrastructure and farming initiatives are risky or unfeasible. This insight points to the critical intersection of environmental resources and economic planning, emphasizing that sustainable agriculture depends on legal clarity and resource management.
- [17:12] ️ Political Civility and Community Cohesion: Alan’s emphasis on reducing animosity between the mayor and Council and fostering respectful discourse reflects a broader need for political civility in Maui. His call to view the community as “one people” rather than divided factions suggests that effective governance requires collaboration, mutual respect, and the ability to disagree without disrespect. This insight speaks to the social dynamics that underpin successful local government.
- [19:44] Campaign Finance Ethics and Community Priorities: By refusing campaign contributions and redirecting supporters to donate to nonprofits, Alan differentiates himself from traditional political fundraising. This approach highlights a commitment to community service over political gain and aligns with a broader critique of the influence of money in local elections. It also raises questions about resource allocation and priorities, encouraging voters to consider the societal impact of their support.
- [29:09] ️ District Voting for Better Representation: Alan’s advocacy for district voting addresses the challenges of Maui County’s at-large voting system, which requires voters to assess numerous candidates spanning multiple districts. District voting would allow constituents to focus on candidates closer to home, increasing accountability and representation. This insight reflects ongoing debates about electoral reform and democratic engagement at the local level.
- [32:10] Collaborative Approaches to Agricultural Innovation: Alan highlights the potential for new partnerships between nonprofits, government, and private stakeholders to revitalize Maui’s agricultural sector. By referencing innovative organic farming practices and emphasizing open dialogue, he points to a future where diverse ideas coexist and evolve. This insight underscores the importance of community involvement, interdisciplinary collaboration, and adaptive strategies in addressing complex land use and sustainability challenges.
The interview offers a comprehensive view of the intertwined political, social, and environmental issues facing Maui County, framed through the lens of Alan Kaufman’s unique background and vision for the future. His focus on agriculture, community cohesion, transparent governance, and resource sustainability provides voters with a nuanced perspective on the upcoming Council race.
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[Music] Aloha Welcome to our 13th 13th season of up close and personal political interviews here in Maui I’m Jason Schwarz you’ve seen a lot of me through the years in fact I ran years ago in fact I remember when Alan Kaufman Our Guest who’s now running for Council no matter where you are in all three islands remember you vote for everyone so if you like Alan Kaufman vote for him don’t say oh I’m not in that District we don’t have District voting at this point which is a show
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probably by itself but Alan ran the kulo Community Association political what introductions what the Kula Community Association has done it’s done a very good job thanks primarily to Dick Mayer as well as to the other board members was to put the candidates in front of the camera and make sure that akaku could film and the community Through The Association board would be able to ask questions of the candidates and the beautiful thing about the camera is it’s unfiltered you don’t just look
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at things coming in your mailbox you don’t just hear the candidates advertisements one of the things that bothers me the most about politics is it’s an advertising campaign to get elected uh having been a veterinarian throughout the state of Hawaii and on Maui for over three decades now I’m in a wonderful position to have served the public and to have gotten to know people from South Point to niow and within Maui County from hanal mikai and it’s been a blessing to be able to work with the people in our
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community Jason and to listen to them when you’re a veterinarian what do you do you gather data that’s what you do you have to listen to people and then you have to have discernment you have to know what they’re telling you and what it means and then you get to make a decision about how to move forward and those three things I realized are a lot like the decision makers in our County Council you have to get your information you have to have some degree of discernment and then you’ve got to do
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something I know some people would say our council members haven’t done much I think that all of our council members are good people and they each bring their unique perspective to the council and I’m running because I feel that agriculture which is the industry that I have worked for for four decades needs to have a voice on Counsel I’ll give you an example Jason just yesterday I got a call from a client yeah and they’ve got issues because their dog was running loose on their property this is working cattle
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dog well guess what the way the law is written if you have a working dog loose on your property you’re in violation of the leas leash law on your own property on your own property unless you’ve got a closed gate if your gates open you’re in violation okay and there are exceptions for police dogs and for competitive dogs but basically if your dog is loose on your own property if you don’t have everything gated off you’re in violation but working at cattle dogs need to be off of leash they can’t do
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their job without it sure so one of my clients brought that to my attention and what I was able to do is send off an email to the entire Council and I want to thank uh don Guzman and Bob Carroll for responding as quickly as they did to let me know that it would be looked into but the real question is why do we even have a law on the books that was written without input from the agricultural community and I just think it’s time for a to be heard especially because we’re at a Crossroads for the future of Maui County
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right now we are looking at the last Harvest and we’ve got 36,000 acres and who knows what that is going to look like over the course of the next 10 20 or 30 years when you say agriculture are as an owner of livestock and or dogs or grower and whether it’s GMO or not or big a that has 36,000 32,000 Acres so many major changes I imagine some decisions be made on Council do you want to have a voice for what I understand your understand I totally understand your question and I’d answer it very simply I
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said I want to be a voice for agriculture I’m not ever going to say I’m going to be the voice for agriculture agriculture cannot speak with a single voice any more than any other group can whether you’re a farmer or a Rancher if you grow food or raise livestock you’re involved in agriculture we all bring our unique perspectives to what we do sure and my perspective is that of a veterinarian who’s worked with ranchers and Farmers throughout our entire County so I’ve had a
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very it’s basically a tapestry of experience from everyday working people we have really good people on Council we have Hotel operators we have lawyers we have people with lots of business experience well we don’t have anybody with any type of a experience and when I say I want a voice for counsel that’s what I’m saying okay um I know that in your District when you mentioned Hotel operator you’re running in a race where Mike White who’s been on Council and is on Council um I don’t imagine it’s anything
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personal you happen to live here right I am running be for for ha cou or representing Hau because it is my residency District yeah people who know me and it was a question earlier and the Maui News addressed it quite well is I’ve lived in koua for more than three decades I’ve only lived in Haik coup for a little over a year but that is how our system system works and when people talk about District voting there are some good reasons for it as far as the issue of course I am running against Mike
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White and also trette Fado who I also respect a great deal I respect both of the people that I’m running against yeah that’s great and for different reasons Mike I’ve known for 40 years 40 years ago we both lived on the big island he was working for a hotel on the big island at that time and I’d take care of his horses so Mike and I have known each other a long time I’ve voted for Mike and it’s nothing I’m not running against Mike I understand I just want to bring a my own perspective to the council and it
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would be a perspective of someone who is very much familiar with the farming and ranching Community I don’t know how much of a farming and ranching Community we’re going to have with the shutdown of the largest farmer in Maui County okay I think that uh that’s a subject for another show because I have seen extraordinary plans in fact when the guy gave it to me and I mentioned to him about hcns having brought an expert from Southern Florida on how to grow sugar cane organically and to be able to add value rather than
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take away from the land he said oh they’re using my ideas there are so many great ideas of what to do I like the idea of so much land getting so much attention hopefully we’ll make some good choices I don’t like this this fighting I think we all want the same thing we all want something that’s safe we all want something that’s going to be sustainable and wonderful and not have dirt blowing everywhere and be profitable and also be affordable you know there’s all kinds of stuff you know we’d all like a little
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piece of heaven right here on Maui and in fact we’ve got a piece of heaven right here on Maui but how will it be dealt with what is that going to look like I moved to the Big Island from the mainland right out of veterinary school and as I moved to the Big Island bit over 40 years ago the sugar plantations there were shutting down economics was killing them they could not compete in the global market right and I’ll say as an aside it’s amazing to me that hcns was able to keep sugar alive on Maui for four decades
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longer than the big island was and Kawai shut down along the way too so they definitely were making it work economically for far longer than any of the other plantations were able to do how come in all these 40 years is there an experience on the big island of self- sustainability of crops or does Kawai have plans that they can say hey we haven’t had sugar cane look what we did somehow they kicked out Monsanto they kicked out Monsanto Maui struggles what’s that you know I’m bringing it up as if any one
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individual had an idea that could make economic sense and make sense for our environment it would be wonderful to think that all 37,000 Acres could do that immediately the I’ve seen plan Al Perez who’s the I guess he’s executive director of Mai tomorrow gave me a copy of something uh it was a plan for Maui farming what to do with the 32,000 Acres my old buddy Luc and D I’m sure had part of it and the team that really knows how to dig and do research I interviewed a guy that created from a baron Wasteland
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a forest in Columbia Paulo lugari and Ginter ply from the Zero Energy Research Institute in 1995 so I’ve been inputting here for a long time and no one listens now everyone gets into Panic it’s the 11th Hour what are we going to do with this landb well you know Jason there are a couple of things you need to keep in mind when you’re having the entire discussion uh one of the first is if you’ve got a fantastic idea there’s nothing to keep you from going to hcns right now the landowner in negotiating a
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lease to be able to implement it maybe not on 37,000 ACR but maybe on 100 or on 10 or a thousand whatever it can be proof of concept show you can do it sure once you show you can do it you can expand because I guarantee you that many different lease holders as they may end up with not all the Enterprises will succeed they won’t be successful also if you look at the history on the big island um there was no one crop there was no one thing that happened with all of the vacated Sugarland a lot of it got fenced for
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cattle but cattle don’t belong in the Central Valley when you have relatively flat land cattle are and and livestock of any form they’re miraculous because they can take low quality protein things we can’t eat and they can turn it into high quality protein and where they belong is on rugged land that you can’t Farm they don’t belong on the best farmable land just in terms of the energetics of raising food cattle belong up the mountain Central Valley you want to grow food that we can eat not food
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that the cattle can eat maybe it’s going to be things like uh energy crops because we do need the energy maybe hemp has a future but we’ve got so many different microclimates that cane can work in what one crop can do it I don’t think there is one crop if there is nobody’s told me what it is yet I haven’t heard what it is yet for as many years as I’ve been you just said it shouldn’t be one crop and even if so what crop are we going to have because the first thing is to put
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the horse in front of the cart you’re not going to grow anything without water and we don’t know what the future is of East Maui irrigation right now there’s a law it was just passed for three years we know there’s going to be water flowing through East Maui irrigation but by the time the Supreme Court is done with it we don’t know if that water is going to end up going back in the ocean if it’s going to be used by the county to supply the people who’ve waited for decades on the UpCountry
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water meter waiting list or how much of it will be left for farming in the Central Valley if you want to farm you’ve got to have a source of water it has to be reliable and you’ve got to know that your inputs are going to be able to give you economic benefit down the road would you take out a lease with a three-year time span on your water I wouldn’t how can you begin defense how can you begin to put in infrastructure Improvement for whatever farming you want to do and expect it to all come
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back to you in a three-year period if anything I think the lease holders or potential lease holders are going to be circling the airport looking for a place to land until the Supreme Court makes a final ruling what just happened there oh did you know that Apple has this feature called when you delete it for 30 days it doesn’t really delete because if you’ve done a lot of work like I have you can fill up your phone with things you’ve deleted that aren’t really deleted and that’s what
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happened so we’re jumping back and continuing our conversation this is Alan Kaufman as you probably saw from seconds ago same guy same place I’m wearing in a different shirt different day he’s cordially taken us into his study here and we’re continuing our conversation he is in uh Haiku and County Council you know no matter where you live on all three islands here in Maui County you vote for all the council races and so just remember that if you like Allen you can vote for him no
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matter where you live in fact we hope that in fact if you like him you will give him that courtesy okay that’s why we’re here to say hello now we were talking it’s only fair I think first of all you might want to say something to these guys I think that’s a great introduction Jason and if anything I’d like to use this time to First familiarize you a little bit with my background I think one of the things we didn’t mention previously is about family uh we have seven children and two
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grandchildren we have five children under the roof it is a very ethnically diverse family in terms of uh nationalities and ethnic backgrounds uh we have Hawaiian Chinese Portuguese English French Russian German Puerto Rican and more and keeping peace in this family is what a parent learns to do and certainly the peacekeeping skills that we’ve we learned within our family uh with many different personalities and many different backgrounds might come in handy with the mayor and Council relationship yeah uh one of my big
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disappointments with current Administration is the level of animosity the amount of bickering that we see earlier I spoke about how we disagree with each other being every bit as important as what we disagree about out and it would be my hope that we can ratchet down what’s been happening it boils down to two dogs with one fire hydrant and it doesn’t matter which dog goes first it’s going to end up looking pretty much the same and I think it’s possible to have discourse without a lack of Harmony good people
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are on both sides of every argument people run for office with the best of intentions and when the rubber meets the road things get done with animosity and as a as people concerned for our County’s future we have to do better than we’ve been doing um I often come back to the fact that when you separate even Moses and God they separated the Red Sea but it came back together and it was all the sea again we all become one people we’re not two sides we are a community of people one of the things about living on a
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small island is you don’t write people off you’re going to bump into them tomorrow and maintaining good relationships is always important you can disagree with the person but you don’t disrespect the person or their position and here’s where we really need to realize from our heart you know we really all are one family it’s great to hear that you have a family with such diversity you’re like uh watching TV the father who said Eight is Enough you got a lot of kids but there’s a lot of love
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and a lot of stories and a lot of things working all that out is uh like being uncounseled you have to make it all work you know no matter if you’re talking about a mayor and a counsel or a brother and a sister or a father bottom line is you have to approach each other with respect uh and especially more so when you disagree with each other another thing I want to make clear to everybody is that my campaign is not accepting contributions we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in political
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campaigns it’s been on the front page of the Maui News we have good people collecting $50,000 or more and spending it for signs and bumper stickers and cookoffs and dances and entertainment there’s nothing wrong with that but I’d rather if you support me that you would support one of the nonprofits who so desperately need our help and who work so hard to keep our Island environment as good as it can be my favorite nonprofits include the Cameron Center having been on the board and worked with the center for years and
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being familiar with its work it is close to my heart the malama Pregnancy Center and that is also um some an organization that my wife and I both feel strongly about for the help that they provide and also K Hano kalop Papa and if you have a favorite organization nonprofit that you want to donate to go right ahead there are many many excellent organizations out there and they all need our help far more than any candidate does I do know over 7,000 of you having worked with you over the past 40 years
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and I certainly hope that if you know me if you’re pleased with the working relationship we’ve had for four decades you’ll know where my heart is and you can give me the support if you so choose I have concerns with safety and and it is Public Safety that goes right to our nonprofits the work they do with the homeless it goes to our police our lifeguards in the fire department whenever there’s a fire firemen are putting their life on the line and they just have to have the resources to do their job well we can’t
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put their lives in danger though it will be there every single time they go out but we have to have adequate backup for them and be adequately prepared for for the ongoing emergencies that we know we will experience a fire at maaya is not rare it happens all the time too frequently and we have to be prepared for that we know what the winds are like there and we just have to be ready and the fire department needs the resources that it has asked for yeah you know I’m kind of using this time for you you to get some of the
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subjects you want to talk about I can tell you driving over here this time getting through P was quite an experience I wonder how we’re going to deal with some of these issues with lack of funds and U I don’t see people looking over the horizon with the vision that we’d like to see you know when we start talking about Grand ideas it takes resources to implement them and we all know that the big issue one of the many issues with funding you know every year when it comes budget time we’re so used to it
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it’s okay we know what the all the actors are in place the mayor will have the budget the County Council will reduce it and it just looks like a shell game we take our property tax rate and lower it which is great if we can afford to Hawaii has the lowest property tax rates in the nation that’s wonderful but we also don’t have the level of service that we need how can we ever go to the state and say we should have a bigger share of the tat Transient Accommodations Tax which we should
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have even the committee that studied the and made recommendations to the state said the county should have more but how can we ask for that when we’re cutting our property tax rates I don’t want want to pay more taxes nobody wants to pay more taxes but we have to have essential services and so it’s a matter of priorities if we just keep our tax rate the same it would be a better methodology than having the mayor inflate a budget to meet our essential needs and then the council sticking pins in it and getting
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below what our essential needs are you’ve been working with this a long time I can can tell as we’re sitting here that you’ve encapsulated this into the essential points but when you say you’ve been working with them for 40 years in your profession as a veterinarian and doctor but also you you were M I got because I was a political candidate all those years ago I thought of you cool uh Community Association but you really ran a PTA and had a really heavy involvement with people in this community for a good
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long time I’m every bit as proud of the two years I served the Kula PTA as I am of the years I’ve served the Community Association and we’ve done some good uh just getting a traffic light into the five trees intersection was an effort that took place over years and to see personal friends have debilitating injuries career ending injuries at that intersection it was a wonderful day when the light finally went up the things we do when we donate our time to the community they may take away
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from time spent with family but they’re done because we love the family whether it’s PTA or the Community Association and certainly those efforts have made me familiar with some of the process do I know the inner workings of the county building definitely not it comes down to all those Rel relationships between all those people and every last one of them uh the people who are also running for the Council seat they’re good people they would not be running for office if they weren’t
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good people I won’t say a negative word about any of them but they all bring their perspective which is very different if you’re an accountant you have a particular perspective as a veterinarian I focus on history I get data from my clients and I use that and one of the wonderful things the internet again has made us all all the data available but you have to use your own personal discernment and our discernment is shaped by what we do the people we talk to and that’s one of the things I
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love about the veterinary profession in that doing work with the different branches have taken me from one end of our island chain as far as French frig schs and I’ve worked though it’s now been some time with my clients and friends on laai on mikai and virtually every road on Maui I’ve been up it or down it I’ve castrated horses there or worked cattle in those pastures I’ve watched those pastures turn into subdivisions and it’s a long and it’s a deep history that I’ve had it’s a
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meaningful relationship and it’s my hope to be able because my campaign will not take any donations to achieve success in this bid for a Council seat through the coconut Wireless and social media I have put up on Facebook Kaufman for counsel is the page where people can go and read about my positions and get to know me better but if anything I think you will leave having watched this knowing I’m sincere obviously and that’s good I’m not nearly as knowledgeable about every subject as I’d like to be
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but then none of us are but I come to every subject with an open mind I don’t come down I don’t walk into an exam room saying I already know the answer and I haven’t even looked at your animal but you’ve had a a level of experience that makes you as qualified as anyone in the room because your opinion from where you’re coming has a history of good work and that’s undeniable so I mean I you’re in an interesting race and I said it’s a very funny system here you know where you move here you
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move there you know in Kawai they do it where okay pick your top nine that’s it that’s how we choose it but um I know that your contributions are very valuable whether you’re in the seat or not and I wish you the very very best um are there any subjects that you would like to be able to uh specifically put out personally to our audience because you know you know no matter where you are in this County that all these representatives of although they represent the district and that’s their
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constituency you voted for them and they really can help you too and so you may just find the right kind of person in Allen to be able to do that that’s why it’s nice to be able to have online votes at the moment one of the things I would like to do and I we’ve tried to do this before is to implement District voting within Maui County um I think it is an important subject because the people we elect truly determine what’s going to happen and how issues get addressed and it’s a real burden when we
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ask the voters to get to know about not simply one or two voting areas but to know about 20 or 30 different candidates running from for office sure usually we know the people closest to home because the bulk of my Veterinary work has been up country and Northshore people know me there but I’m also known in the communities of Hana kakala because I’ve worked there I have friends there so I am known is islandwide but usually we do better if we can narrow our Focus to bring it down to a smaller number of candidates to for
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which we can become familiar with and that would be better but right now through the power of television and the internet if you like this interview and want to share about Alan Kaufman you can give them that link and they can go watch it and even though they’re in the corners of mikai or layi they can be a good vote and I think that’s what we have right now so let’s just use it to the best cuz when you find a good candidate especially now you really need your support so that’s what we hope that
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this will be able to do is have a few more legs on it well Jason I want to thank you personally for the work you do to be able to bring information in front of the voters it’s not necessarily a job you get a lot of thanks for but it does serve an important function within our Island community thank you I appreciate that you know I have people that are telling me that right now I should get ready for the next mayoral race and I I I don’t really want to be a mayor or in this Council you do a very good job with
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open land and things except I hope to do it in such a way maybe through TV I could but we have to work together where someone with an ideal like aalii tomorrow and someone like you who could be there and talk to this person or that person in a different way because of your knowledge and experience could do something in a unique way just like we talked about the mayor and and the council and everyone having their unique positions but we’re on an island and good ideas should just rise to the top
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and be acceptable and open I mean I think we need to create more open discussion I remember doing one a dozen years ago May less about GMOs and I had these guys from from the University that were Pro GMO and we sat around but they wouldn’t meet nor the other guys from anti-gmo so we had two shows and now it comes out again a decade later you know we can do some things and I bring it up only because who knows when you’re running against a guy like Mike White who has you know a long history and and visibility Etc you know
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Jason I would share with you that I I have known Mike for 40 years sure 40 years ago Mike was running a hotel in Kona and I’d go out to his place in Kalla and work on his horses and now 40 years have passed and Mike is still running hotels and I’m still working on animals so I guess not too much has changed when I decided I was going to run the first thing I did was call Mike up and he said hey Alan the more of the marrier and I would have expected nothing less for Mike and he’s a good man he has his opinions he thinks
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like a hotel operator uh I don’t and I do know people from all walks of life and deal with them every day most important thing anybody can do whether you’re on Council or whether you’re a newspaper carrier is listen to people hear what they have to say and use your discernment As you move forward with your life Jason really want to thank you for the interview today you’re welcome thank you I just really am just ending it knowing that we’re just opening discussion we hope that
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this is creating an environment we can all be sitting and talking and you can get to know all these people and get involve yourself because the election’s com and go but all these issues your involvement really makes the difference Alan cofman thank you very very very much absolutely Jason not only for your hospitality but for all that you’ve done such a a long time in our community thank you thank you for what you’ve done too Jason thank you have a great afternoon and we’ll see you again take
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