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Jason Schwartz with BEAU HAWKES– Discussions about the system of government, the direction of our society… theoretical and conceptual vs. what is going on now– interesting discussion… maybe YOU can figure it out…5-20-2019

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Summary of Video Content: “The Neutral Zone with Jason Schwartz and Beau Hawkes” (May 20, 2019)

00:00 → 02:24 | Introduction and Background of Beau Hawkes

• [00:00] Jason Schwartz opens the show and welcomes Beau Hawkes, highlighting his history as a political activist and public figure on Maui, having run for mayor twice (2014, 2018).
• [01:35] Beau Hawkes shares his motivation for activism, emphasizing his role as a voice for human rights and freedoms, inspired by historical figures like Martin Luther King Jr., John F. Kennedy, Gandhi, and Jesus — imagining how they would use modern tools like the internet to fight oppression today.
• [02:24] Beau reflects on the loneliness and challenges of activism but stresses a deep internal commitment to speak out against injustice for the sake of future generations.

02:24 → 08:46 | Media, Truth, and the Challenge of Fake News

• [03:54] Jason praises Beau’s calm and civil approach to discussing difficult and controversial issues, contrasting it with the often hostile political discourse seen in mainstream media.
• [04:33] Beau identifies the core systemic problem as the entire political and media system, particularly the mainstream media’s partial and selective presentation of “truth,” which can distort realities and promote falsehoods under the guise of factual reporting.
• [06:12] Beau gives an example involving a local Maui news story about end-of-life doulas and a lawsuit, illustrating how media coverage can be sensationalized and one-sided, emphasizing the difficulty in discerning real news from fake news.
• [08:46] Beau reframes the question of “fake news” into a broader search for “truth versus non-truth,” stressing the importance of discerning the whole truth rather than partial facts.

1. 1. 1. 1. 08:46 → 15:16 | The Process of Deliberation and Finding Truth

• [09:32] Beau discusses the importance of changing perspectives and engaging in deliberate, logical, and non-emotional discussion to seek truth. He introduces the concept of “deliberation,” a foundational principle used by the U.S. founding fathers to create just laws.
• [11:43] He explains that deliberation requires understanding the true meanings of words (semantics), as language is fundamental in reaching justice and truth.
• [13:08] Beau highlights the importance of prudence—being logical, reasonable, and patient—in deliberation and cautions against making decisions based on partial truths or emotional reactions.
• [13:47] He introduces “laws, orders, and principles of absolute nature” as a guiding framework for discerning truth—meaning that human systems should align with universal, natural principles for justice and truth to prevail.
• [14:29] Jason questions whether everyone is capable of such deep and reasoned deliberation, considering the current state of education and information overload. Beau agrees that not everyone is equipped but stresses the need for education and awareness.
• [15:16] Jason reflects on generational divides, noting how younger people often consume fragmented information and lack historical context, which complicates discerning truth.

1. 1. 1. 1. 15:16 → 22:17 | Bridging Generational Gaps and Collective Responsibility

• [16:46] Beau emphasizes the urgent need to bridge the chasm between generations—older, current, and unborn—to collectively address societal challenges. He stresses that individual actions affect future generations.
• [17:29] Beau criticizes the attitude of dismissing younger generations or blaming them for societal decline, advocating instead for cooperation across age groups to build a better future together.
• [18:19] Jason shares his hope to mentor young people at Maui Community College, believing that interaction between older and younger generations can help close that gap and foster shared understanding.
• [19:37] The hosts agree on the importance of open dialogue, exploring all viewpoints to find common ground and advance progress. They acknowledge that while idealistic, this inclusive approach is necessary for meaningful change.
• [20:17] Jason observes that while many young people are hopeful, they often lack a clear path or framework to realize their visions for a better future. Beau agrees, highlighting the importance of focusing on shared human experiences and responsibilities beyond artificial divisions like nationality or political affiliation.
• [21:37] Beau stresses that all humans share the same environment and reality, making mutual responsibility for the planet and society essential.

1. 1. 1. 1. 22:17 → 25:54 | The Car Analogy: Generations Driving the Future

• [23:02] Beau presents an analogy of four generations in a car — baby boomers driving, millennials navigating, Generation Z in the backseat, and unborn generations represented as a child in a car seat.
• [24:01] He stresses that the older generation (drivers) must trust that the younger generation (navigators) has the knowledge and maturity to take over, while the younger must trust the wisdom of the elders. This trust is essential for a smooth transition and collective progress.
• [25:19] Jason expresses skepticism about whether older generations can trust younger ones, especially when faced with misinformation or denial of historical facts (e.g., Holocaust denial). They agree to continue this discussion after a brief break.

1. 1. 1. 1. 28:33 → 32:50 | Continuing the Generational Trust Conversation

• [29:07] Post-break, the hosts revisit the car analogy, emphasizing that the world is like a car with closed doors — everyone inside must cooperate and cannot act independently without affecting others.
• [30:29] Beau asserts that society is “off the road,” meaning we have deviated from a balanced, safe, and just path. The current trajectory is unstable and requires urgent course correction.
• [31:14] Beau points out that the older generation must recognize the natural process of aging means it is time to relinquish control and allow the younger generations to lead, passing along wisdom without clinging to power.
• [32:50] Jason probes how older people can feel comfortable letting go of control when the car (society) is off course and the driver believes their way is still right. Beau acknowledges this challenge and the need for mutual trust despite differing perspectives.

1. 1. 1. 1. 33:21 → 40:40 | Recognizing the Off-Road Condition and Seeking Truth

• [33:21] Jason questions how society defines the “road” or the center, i.e., truth, and who gets to say what is true when perspectives differ greatly.
• [34:28] Beau firmly states that their observation is not theoretical but a factual assessment: we are off the road and must change behaviors to see different results, quoting Einstein’s definition of insanity.
• [35:33] Beau explains how the older generation can be motivated to pass the baton by recognizing the current crisis and the need for new leadership to get society back on track.
• [36:16] Jason notes the difficulty in convincing older generations who may take critiques personally. Beau urges objectivity and collective responsibility beyond personal feelings.
• [37:32] The discussion turns to the power dynamics in society and the challenge of convincing those in control that change is needed, especially when many deny the problem.
• [38:09] Beau shifts blame from the driver to “road signs” — the cultural and societal signals that have misled people, causing collective deviation from truth and justice.
• [39:19] Jason differentiates between theoretical and philosophical truth, emphasizing the need for practical, observable markers of truth in the physical world.
• [40:40] Beau encourages focusing on one truth at a time and using nature’s laws as guidance to evaluate what is true, rather than being overwhelmed by complexity.

1. 1. 1. 1. 42:17 → 48:31 | Political Realities and the Challenge of Justice

• [42:17] Jason brings the conversation back to Maui’s political scene, questioning how younger leaders and older leaders can reconcile differing opinions to serve the public good.
• [44:02] Beau acknowledges the frustration with political divisions and the attitude of some older people who feel disconnected from future challenges, reaffirming his own commitment to ongoing activism.
• [45:17] Beau points out that societal divisions are reinforced by the idea of individualism (“you are only responsible to yourself”), which fractures collective unity and undermines justice.
• [45:54] He recalls the founders’ warning against factions in government, emphasizing that justice is singular and not partisan.
• [46:30] Beau critiques the justice system, noting that many feel justice is not served because critical evidence is sometimes excluded, revealing systemic failure.
• [47:52] He stresses the collective need to acknowledge that society is off course and that partial or factional truths hinder progress.

48:31 → 55:30 | Free Speech, Government’s Role, and Building New Systems

• [49:07] Beau clarifies the right to free speech as the right to speak truth, not untruths or harmful misinformation, emphasizing responsibility in speech.
• [50:34] He reiterates that governments exist to protect inalienable rights—life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness—and criticizes the current failure to uphold these rights fully.
• [51:37] Jason and Beau discuss the challenge of translating conceptual ideas into practical governance and societal change.
• [52:10] Beau quotes Buckminster Fuller: to replace an old system, create a new one that renders the old obsolete, underscoring the need to build new frameworks rather than only criticizing existing ones.
• [53:34] Beau advocates for creating new laws that are just, promote life, liberty, and happiness, and for the people to disobey unjust laws as a means of change.
• [54:50] The conversation ends on a hopeful note about finding common ground—Beau suggests that humanity can agree on a small set of core principles (“ten agreements”) that serve everyone and cut through divisiveness.

1. 1. 1. Key Insights

• The systemic issues in society stem from distorted truths perpetuated by media and political divisions.
• Truth-seeking requires deliberate, logical, and non-emotional discourse grounded in universal natural laws.
• Bridging intergenerational divides is essential for societal progress; trust and cooperation between older and younger generations are crucial.
• Society is metaphorically “off the road” and requires new leadership, new systems, and shared responsibility to return to a just and sustainable path.
• Free speech must be understood as the right to speak truth, not misinformation.
• Change necessitates building new frameworks rather than merely dismantling old ones, guided by principles that promote life, liberty, and happiness for all.

1. 1. 1. Conclusion

This episode of “The Neutral Zone” with Jason Schwartz and Beau Hawkes offers a profound philosophical and practical examination of truth, justice, generational responsibility, and societal change. It challenges listeners to reconsider how they engage with information, participate in governance, and collaborate across divides to create a better future. The car analogy effectively illustrates the urgency of passing the baton with trust and wisdom, emphasizing that collective progress depends on shared values and mutual respect.

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[Music] good morning everyone Aloha this is Jason Schwartz what seemed like maybe a technical problem will correct but we got the most important part we’re here with a neutral zone it’s Monday May 20th 2019 god it’s crazy saying that I have a guess that many of you know many of you know well bow Hawkes welcome to our show thank you Jason thanks for having me you know we were both children God was how many years ago now won two elections that six years ago 12 years ago when did we meet a while ago it was about five

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years ago I think five you were running for mayor yeah and you ran twice yeah right in 2014 and also 2018 gotcha 2014 and 2018 that sounds like history to me but when you look at the long history of Maui and I guess it wasn’t that long ago beau is a champion he isn’t I’m gonna just give you a little background check here many of you know him he was famous because he stood up for his rights and that was a very forward thing before it was fashionable you were out there standing up for you you felt was your

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truth and your freedoms thank you for that for all of us you’re welcome it was a little unnerving when when I first started walking this path when I started actually walking the talk it was unnerving but I looked to guidance outside of myself to navigate even to this day this my political activism my standing up for rights it isn’t just me or my want or desire to actually cumbersome and an impedance on the on the simplicity for my life it makes my life more complicated but it’s not just my life I’m living and

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what I mean by that is that I am walking in the shoes of not only my blood ancestors but also I’m walking in the shoes of all those human beings that have come before us and in recent history we have names like Martin Luther King and John F Kennedy who who stood up and fought the oppressive force and I when I get when I get down and when my energy levels are low I remind myself of what they would do in 2019 what would Gandhi do if he had the Internet what would Jesus do if he had the Internet and so those are some of

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the questions I asked myself and it kind of put some wind in my cell and keeps me going because it it’s lonely at times and confusing at times but I have something deep inside of me that that speaks to me that says I will not sit silent and allow unjust action and behavior to continue without bringing awareness to it well that’s really the the best part you stand up for what you feel is important and true and you don’t shy away because it may not be easy so that’s very very much to be commended

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thank you you know I sort of think I do it in my own kind of way I try to bring up issues and talk about things that may not always be comfortable and try to do it like you do in a very quote civilized way as you like to talk out issues you know and you come from a very good place you know I like talking to you because you even if we didn’t agree you would be here arguing your point calmly where so many I guess I want to say from the President on down well I liked it you know throw spears and in a

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way that’s not necessarily productive any issues going on now that are specifically on your radar there are a number of issues Jason if I could if I could give a blanket issue that would be the system the full system the whole system itself is the issue and an American way or you talkin finances it’s it’s beyond the terminology of so-called American it’s American has kind of turned into or evolved into what started out as Western right and we’re certainly in the United States of America which we

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are not here in Hawaii part of the United States of America although we’re illegally occupied the United States does set the trend so to speak as far as political and societal norms and that that comes by way of the mainstream media and the media has for many many decades now given the people certain information now they tell the people that they are bringing the truth but it is only a portion of the truth and this is evidence of the truth being used to tell a lie so we have the mainstream media using the truth to tell lies I’m

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gonna give you an example probably say yeah like that the Maui News had an article early in May about we had a guest here Rob Parsons who was environmental guy in the county and his wife Heather Neerja is their spiritual name was helping people and end-of-life circumstances people that were choosing you know either had some illness and were going to die or had something and just didn’t like the quality of life anyway in that whole Surrey okay it’s called um there’s a guy on island we all know he has a

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show here named Bodhi you know Bodhi B yeah of course you know the death store conscious different thing around death I appreciate that absolutely heather was and still is a doula and doula means server you know if you’re there’s birth to us there’s death dualist it’s nothing new in fact I had a friend in Philadelphia that worked with the dead end did not the dead and dying the dying in the East Coast in Philadelphia and I introduced him to Bodhi here and he came out for the first

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heavy training they did on there’s some six years ago anyway the Maui News did a story about gal named fey block who passed away and really wasn’t that close with her children at all and they weren’t being supportive and somehow in the process of everything they turned over certain assets to Heather as part of pay or whatever to also be discovered but the Maui News and the reveal writer gripped on to what a an attorney in Honolulu prosecuting right wanted to say and what the accusations were but really

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didn’t give substance and form to the other side so like you say true there was this lawsuit but that’s not where the story should end but the media sometimes maybe for sensationalism for whatever we want to say that’s why I wonder where does real News and fake news what does that mean if you and I do a story here is that fake news or is that real news you know how do we how do we know what’s real in this day of internet and all the you know we can all create television shows we can all put things up there but how

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do we how do we look through it how do we change that media thing or at least be able to recognize the difference it’s a great question Jason and you’re hitting on a nerve for me and I’d like to elaborate if I stood and I want to preface it by saying that in my speaking am I talking I tend to sometimes talking around about way in other words you asked me a question I hear the question in terms of hey what’s the solution and it’s so in order for me to look for a solution I must change my perspective I

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must look at it from different perspectives and so that has a roundabout type tendency and so I just wanted to let you know that before I get into what is how do we really what we’re looking for is how do we discern real news from fake news yeah and if we can use the term truth versus non true in place of fake versus real news because the news is actually intended to be the truth the media has been given the responsibility to bring the truth to the people okay so that’s what we’re really

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looking for is the truth now we’ve got to ask ourselves how do we find the truth well that is the question especially when we now all have an ability to do it the television or radio stations do now we can create media in this giant overwhelm absolutely so this is why because of the breadth and the availability of news that we have today it’s even more important than it was in the past that we hold to certain truths and the one of those truths is that we have the ability to use logic and reason as human beings

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to decipher to weigh different perspectives and in order to find the truth okay now there’s a term given to that and it’s called to deliberate and the so called founding fathers of the United States they used deliberation as a major tool for coming up with laws within the justice system now when we hear the word justice system let’s break that word down into just is so the justice system and the in the judges within that system their job is to find what is just okay so what is just is what is true these

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are synonyms now there’s a there is there’s some additional words that we need to bring into this conversation and words that have been I believe intentionally removed from our vocabulary or maybe not removed but given a given a different definition than their true semantics and quickly to define semantics would be the science of the meaning of words okay the science or study of the meaning of words so this is an important thing that we know what our semantics if we are to sit and deliberate looking for

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the truth so to me deliberate means look at the words and there you say semantic derivation where they come from and try to discern [Music] yeah I don’t know how to put it exactly but how does one do it unless one has enough knowledge to be able to make a decision I mean deliberating over partial facts or you know not knowing where where truth is I mean it’s that’s the part that I find most difficult well it’s problematic if you start not using the whole truth so we’ve got to

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look at the whole truth not just part of the truth sure and to do so is logical and there’s there’s a term called prudence that we need to also bring into the conversation to be prudent is to be logical and reasonable in one’s deliberation and it it also is a slow and non-emotional conversation that’s what deliberation is to me it’s we are going to sit down we’re going to put our egos aside we’re going to put our emotions aside and we are going to align ourselves with certain things now it is

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important that we align ourselves with these certain things that we need to outline and I’ll outline those as the laws orders and principles of absolute nature okay let’s say that again real grom I’m hearing the laws orders and principles of absolute nature are what we people and human beings are we are to fashion ourselves after what is absolute nature absolute nature would be all of creation everything around us including physical and non-physical absolute nature would be a capital M and nature

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mother nature some people call it the universe Cardinal as if maybe this is a prejudice I don’t know if everyone is equipped with the capacity to analyze and be prudent and deliberate about absolute nature and you’re right you’re right Jason not everyone is those that are have been given the proper education or information to do so in other words if someone does not know what’s certain or know of certain orders of nature then they are unequipped to deliberate on what is just in nature but I mean I

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don’t want to say I’m old but I’m older and you know before there was so there was always lots of media but now it is so overwhelming and I see young people that grow up and I know it sounds crazy maybe have read a few books in their lives but mostly they’re on their phones and their tablets in their computers and one story and another story and another story you can look at them and consider them but how do you know where the truth is I mean I don’t know how to do that I’m thinking that it’s becoming I’ve

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heard by example a father who as his father was in concentration camp second world war Jewish guy and when his grandson says oh there was no Holocaust cost you know and then do you find these chasms between people because the node where do you find how do you evaluate what is the truth great question Jason you are talking about a chasm that lies between generations you know and that my friend is what I see that we need to build a bridge over we need to work together and when I say we I’m talking about all

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human beings on this earth and unborn because there are just as I said this is not only my life and what I do does not only impact me it impacts all those around me to some degree and so my children will have children and what I do today will impact my unborn grandchildren and so we when I say we need to do this I’m talking about all the living and those yet for those yet to be born we have got to build a bridge over that chasm that you’re talking about it is not enough to say that we’re

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on different pages it is not enough to say that the generation Millennials have slid an off the track and now humanity’s going to hell in a handbasket because that is not going to help those who are not born yet what I mean by that is Jason the older generation the dying generation which is we’re looking at is the baby boomer generation they need to look to the unborn generation and realize that what they do in their last days impacts greatly the unborn generation well you know I don’t know if

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we can come to the bottom of a real solution that we can all agree on but we can’t absolutely Maui Community College and I encourage other I guess I can call myself seniors people that are sort of like off the main track already they’ve been told that it were their retirement age whether they’re anything to say in this new day and age but when I go to the school I’m hoping to be I want to call myself a brick and mortar guy where the kids are in some there may not as much exposure to older Americans and

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I figure it’s really good for them to see someone like myself and all the other seniors who can be hopefully that chasm Eliminator if you will to build a bridge to have the old come there and help mentor the young and share with them different ways and different aspects of looking at things and solving problems to try to bridge that gap I almost feel like the older generation if we die without passing the baton you know how do we are doing a great disservice to the world so that’s like what this show is about I want to be

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able to get everyone here speaking and we’re not in deliberation here as much as we’re in trying to come to all sides of things and put all the possibilities out there and see what we agree on because I think that we may come to terms with that a lot of the things that we’re talking about we can commonly agree on the most important core of this and move forward to progress the world and I that maybe ideals idealistic in its goal but I don’t know any other way to do this I don’t see any there is no

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absolute and anything except you talk about absolute I forgot the word used about nature absolutely H er absolute nature and you know have it’s a hard thing to define we all it all of us perceive things from our own perspective it’s an interesting transition I know I’m sure the whole world is basically going through this and you know suddenly seeing this huge difference of a melt that mental I’ve met a lot of younger people who are positive about the future but have no way they can see to draw the dots to get

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to that future that they envision good analogy there Jason I think you’re hitting the nail square on the head and I agree with you there are enough things that we have in common all people that we have in common that these differences that we sometimes find ourselves focusing on yeah are are not as important as the things that we have in common one of the things that we have in common is that we are all in this space together we are all in this world together these imaginary lines of countries and states and counties and

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cities are nothing but that there are imaginary lines we all breathe the same air the air that I breathe into my lungs has parts of water in it that have been on the other side of the earth and have been breathed by people for thousands of years we are all in this room so to speak together and because we all find ourselves in this room or in this creation or in this reality together we all have a responsibility in what it looks like okay we the older generation have a responsibility what this earth and what

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our reality looks like as much as the younger generation do you have or I guess I’m asking a question sort of a how-to question yeah absolutely how do we do that here’s how do we do that do you do we have some time before we go to break we have a couple of minutes before okay how do we do that you know that to me is good and then how do we do that let’s look at an analogy let’s imagine there is a automobile in the front seat you’re driving and then in the passenger seat sits me and in the back seat sits

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my kid and her daughter okay in a car seat and maybe that daughter’s not not yet born that’s what that’s the there’s four generations in this car okay me as a representative for the Millennials and Generation X you as a representative for the baby boomers my daughter in the backseat as a representative of the Generation Z okay Z is welcome that last this is this is what this is how important it is okay what needs to happen is for you who are driving need to trust that I Who am navigating now have the tools and the

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ability and information to drive this car down the road trust why because I’ve paid attention long enough trust because my kid is in the backseat trust because I am old enough meaning I have grown into a fully mature adult I’m no longer an adolescent and so the way absolute nature works is you move through infancy to adolescence to adult to death okay that’s an order of absolute nature and so if we human beings are going to act in accordance with that order of nature then there needs to be a passing of the baton like

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you said but that baton will not be passed unless it is a trust that where you put that baton in that hand that they will grab that baton and they will run the race like you would run the race and that is what we need to do that’s uh I want to say it to all order we’re gonna come back here and we’re gonna take some station identification and support from our sponsors Thank You sponsors you keeping this radio station live here in the voice of Maui we’re gonna come back and pick this up because

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to me I the question is how do you trust like I brought up that thing about the father’s the grandfather whose grandkid is saying that there were no concentration camps there wasn’t you know and that didn’t really happen that kind of stuff it’s hard for that older person to trust that these guys get it when the information is coming out there’s you know I guess there’s no sensitivity to be able to evaluate what is truth that’s what I want to come back to we’re gonna take a break for station

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identification etc etc on May 8th Amanda eller was last seen about 10:00 a.m. at haiku market she was last seen wearing a white tank top with a light blue or green cross back undergarment dark blue Capri yoga pants black flip-flops and her hair in a bun like ponytail if you have any information regarding Amanda Ellis disappearance please call the police to app hotline at eight oh eight two four four six four two one the neutral zone with me Jason Schwartz would like to thank Maui Arts and Music Association

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quote pulling my strings even if I had money no one would be pulling my strengths but thank you everyone a bow we were in the middle of conversation about older people and younger people and everyone’s in the car together and now the the old driver and navigator is now in the passenger seat is a generation let’s say next generation and go behind that is your next generation and then the future generations yet to be born but when I was talking about is the the older American do you say needs

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to trust the navigator that they’ve grown to a point so that’s funny and the Navigator has to trust that he’s getting good information from the old Sturt right this this car represents our world that we live in and the four people in the car represent the different generations in this world and the significance of the fact that we’re in a car with closed doors means where we all have a responsibility to this car this is our world okay so the one can’t say I’m gonna do something and I don’t care

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what the rest of you think that that’s not going to be goes inside this container bar okay so where we do anything independently if the guy in the backseat wants to make a left now I’ve got to say something as to where this car is okay this car is off the road Jason the car is off the road we are no longer as a world as a society as a people we are no longer in the center going down the road and that center of the road means safe safety and health okay we find ourself off in the Burrow pit now

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we may be still moving forward a little bit but we’re spinning out we’re stuck and we have got to do something different than what we are doing right now okay so if if the older generation needs to find how to trust the younger generation and and pass the baton the older generation can look at the current state of affairs and know that we are not where we need to be now we got to go one step further they have to realize that as part of nature as we grow older all of our different functions in our body also

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start to show signs of age okay memory goes physical strength goes zest for life goes this is a natural order of growing older in this world okay so a prudent person would say at some point I have got to stop being the one that is in control of where this car is going and I would be better to go in the backseat and pass on to my wisdom to the baby and the car seat well like because that’s where it is sponge is that the child look you’re talking in theoretical like I was okay but in theoretical we still haven’t

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gotten maybe I would be better off sitting in the backseat and letting the younger absolutely you would well the question it’s not made we’re still at that same place of how does that older generation feel comfortable and letting go of the wheel when we’re off the road and in the ditch you’re thinking that that person that’s driving is the way but is it how did we get off the road well we got off the road because we define this road as the limits of the way that we got off the

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road because the steering wheel did certain behavior okay but we can we’re talking in theoretical I keep getting back to the and I don’t know if it’s not theoretical it’s not emotional how do we get to the fact that we have to have certain common things like we were way back when how do you know what the truth is I know we were the truth is the center of the road but who’s evaluating that you know I mean like look we’re talking theoretical with Jason we’re not speaking

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theoretically we’re speaking philosophically okay okay this isn’t theory this is really what’s going on we as a society are off road and I cannot begin to tell you how imperative it is that we make different choices right now this isn’t theory this isn’t up for discussion we’re off the road well again unless we do something if you did not interrupt me I would really appreciate it if we are not willing to change our behavior we are not going to see different results that is very simple Einstein said that the

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definition of crazy is expecting different results by doing the same thing okay so this is not theoretical that we need to change our behavior in order to change our reality the reality is we’re off the road and I’ll say it again we’re off the road and we need help and I’m I hear you okay so here’s how we’re gonna get off the road we’re gonna say who knows how to get off the road in the car the person driving what prudent person would say look I apparently have gotten us off the road

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is anyone know how to get us back on the road now if anyone in the car says yeah I do let me get behind the wheel and get us out of here that’s when the older generation could say okay thank God because if we keep going where I’m driving us the baby isn’t going to get it the one bit their mother isn’t going to get it and the navigator isn’t going to get it and it will be on the older generations responsibility to why that car is off the side of the road so if we need any motivation any trust as to why

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we need to pass a baton right now one only needs to turn on the TV I only the biggest challenge I have with this itself arete achill and it’s all physical a lot of the things that we talk about like you determined we were off the road yet the next person can say we are not I’m reporting that we’re off the road I’m observing and I’m reporting you are yet another this is a problem with thinking right now is that and we’ve been trained like this this has been gone on for generations Jason and

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this has nothing to do personally with anyone and I will say this to the older generation I pray that you do not take things personally I pray that you can look at it objectively and take a step back and realize we have got to do something all the other people in this car do not have the ability just to check out in a few years like the older generation don’t you see that happening do I see what happening you know you’re talking again you’re talking theoretical we older generation and I’m not older

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yet we’re talking about whoever is declaring up so all dur it’s all relative scale but now those things that we’re talking about if it’s not commonly agreed if someone else that’s older thinks one way and the other person thinks another way and we’re looking and trying to prove it with words and some system young or old how do we that’s where this all began this conversation of how do we know what’s real and what’s not real how do we move this forward where we take like you’re saying now

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we’re off the road do you think that the people that are in power that are telling you the road is going great ira green if they don’t agree with you where does that power change happen happens in the voting and yet younger people that are voting said I don’t know I don’t want to vote all the statistics going up but people getting involved do they know what they’re getting involved with how they’re going to take o-over in a world that how do we convince the driver of the car to acknowledge that

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they have driven the car off the road the said it wasn’t their fault I will say the DRI is not the driver’s fault that they drove off the road it was the road signs you see it was the road signs so that is well well first we’re going to stop listening to those road signs that have shown us clearly that they will drive us off the road okay we don’t have the only car on this road I’m gonna break it down for you I’m gonna break it down for you all right over road or the road science we you’re not making the

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persons in the car even more responsible for the decision on which way the car is going right they don’t have any sense of road the center of the road is truth okay let’s maintain the center of the road is truth so that means if we’ve gotten off the road off the center of the road then that means we are at not truth okay does that make sense yeah again I’m talking about in theory cuz you know when you say theory when I then I think of something that is not proven now if I state something that is proven

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that is in a philosophical realm type realm that doesn’t make it theoretical no but it makes it theoretical in that it’s application in this physical world if we don’t have markers that show that the theoretical and the the physical match up it’s it’s hard to the arete achill has no place in the scientific method but our world is not reading based on the scientific method is what talking scientific method is based on observation okay and deliberation is a form of the scientific method okay to

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deliberate is to communicate with the goal in mind that goal is truth okay no but y’all gotta have the facts right and again how did I have all the facts and how do that’s why I’m broke okay let’s so this has every know where the truth is we take one thing at a time and we look at it we don’t become overwhelmed with the whole reality of it we can look at one thing and say is this true or not and if we’re confused about what is true or not that’s actually the call and go ahead then we need to look

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to nature as our guidance we look to the laws orders and principles of nature to guide us in finding the truth someone’s calling see if we can figure out how to get off let’s see if I the right button hello you’re on the air kak you can you hear us we’re trying to hear you now I’m not sure well if you were trying to call in either we got you or we don’t have you I’m not hearing you sorry about that my concern I know and it’s also my concern and I stuff that we talk about really is your are talking

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about that means it was on somehow okay I may be going over there you know I’m uh you and I are talking about this but now when we leave this studio and someone’s out there going well over there talking about things how does that apply to the real world here we are in the real world I’m gonna take those theories of what we should do and transferring of the authority no transferring of the control of the driver here we have a mayor of Maui and a council and we’re moving forward in

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things in Maui we got a real set of issues and problems and how can is the younger generation are we trusting a younger generation it has nothing to do with age doesn’t it usually come with experience or looking like you say looking at what went before and where we need to make changes absolutely and those opinions come to be we know absolute truth and absolute nature but we don’t necessarily how to define things in terms that everyone is on the same page with so it’s hard for me to

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understand how the old person if you say to for example um let’s pick somebody Kiani Rawlins Fernandez she’s here and she’s in the budget thing and she has ideas about what she wants the budget to be and they’re on the other side I’m gonna call it another side we have say I don’t know Mike Molina or Alice Lee or Yuki Leigh sugimura or you know maybe there are differences in opinions and the mayor has different opinions so how do we get all this out in the open and see how we can you talk about making a

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change but I’m not really sure how we’re going to trust each other and honor where do we find and define that truth that that’s really my big big issue and I don’t know if we can have an answer here but we’re gonna find an answer Jason we are absolutely gonna find a solution again some of us don’t get to just check out here in a few years check out meaning one die yeah well there’s there’s a there’s a whole generation that gets to check out and I’ve talked to them

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representatives of them this is a this is a kind of a blanket feedback I’ve gotten it’s not for everybody from everybody but they say you know I’m sure glad I get a dine on I have to sit around here and deal with all this I’m sure glad I get a diet I hear that a lot and you know what Jason I don’t get to die all right I don’t you just die there does someone like myself I mean and I watch and I see that that that attitude that you were saying about people that you know they

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have glad they’re not gonna be here to see what’s coming right that’s it’s not mine attitude not my job attitude is what it is and that is an attitude that we have been that says let me really mean back up go back to the car that’s off the side of the road it’s been following signs road signs that have gotten it off the road one of these road signs is saying you are only responsible to yourself and you are separate than everybody else in other words the road signs have divided us and through that

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division they have created unrest between us okay the so-called founding fathers of the United States said there shall be no factions in government factions meaning parties why would they say that well it’s very simple the government’s job is to find truth and there is only truth so how could there be two sides of a truth the justice system is based on finding and locating what is just there isn’t a red team for what’s just and there isn’t a blue team for what’s just there isn’t it liberal

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Justin there isn’t a conservative just but the media they have divided us into these groups and who has dictated what is just we can talk about theoretical but it’s not too radical what is just what is just we people on court system you think that many of them feel like justice was served that they got all that I mean there are people I could talk specifics but there are people that have told me in the court systems they never were allowed to introduce certain things as evidence that they felt were critical to

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getting that do you believe me we’re off the road yet if the Justice Department if I’m still breathing and you’re still breathing we’re on a good road we are not where we need to be if you’re telling me that the justice system is not serving up justice that is evidence that we are off no I am saying that the justice system being just is only an opinion because of an inability to find out what is truth truth has been created by society like I said they’re making up signs this is the way you go if you want

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to keep holding to the to the ideology that truth is subjective meaning one person of the truth okay well the reason why the law system has arguments back and forth is because the judge is to listen to the arguments for what is just and if somebody says this shows through a natural order or principle of nature that this is the case then the and the other attorney for example cannot say anything in rebuttal then we have arrived at the truth that’s kind of how the justice system is supposed to work

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they’re supposed to look at all the truth that was a very well stated supposed to okay it’s not working the way it’s designed to work or that’s supposed to work then that’s again evidence that we’re off the road off the side of the road okay at a certain point we’ve got to have a collective agreement that we are not where we want to be as a people as a society collectively how do we well I mean I’m only asking I know the answer is you say maybe we can define it and figure out how to do it not everyone

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is listening to us and saying these guys are talking truth there’s lots of opinions that are have their own interests we’ve learned to be separate we learn to think okay how are you not serving everyone we’re serving this faction or that faction can i interject here and I want to talk about the right of free speech I hear people talk about oh you have a right right of free speech fry right of free speech what is the right of free speech right actually mean I believe that it means you have the

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right to speak truth you have the right to speak truth even if it’s against your own government now that does not mean you can speak untruth you see we’ve been – we’ve we’ve been given a twisted narrative by the media as to what free speech means so how do we solve it I mean well number one we have to realize that free speech doesn’t mean you are free to speak anything in any way you want it’s not no it is not because the entire government is preempted by it must be in accordance with nature

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now preempted by home I went the enforceability of those it’s we it’s preempted by the fact that the government’s job is to protect the people’s especially they’re in a label rights which are rights that cannot be taken away in the Declaration of Independence they talk about life liberty pursuit of happiness okay so let’s talk about those three words life liberty pursuit of happiness life liberty pursuit of happiness talks about abundance okay life is they’re not talking about death they’re talking

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about growth they’re talking about live happiness we’re talking about growth we’re talking about living okay so all the government’s job is to protect the ability of the people to do do you see that happening now no it’s not happening right so now I’m going back to that’s what now we’re getting out of the theory now who we are okay now we’re on earth now we are up so let’s I’m just doing this on purpose I’m trying to take it from the I call it the theoretical you

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and I can talk about conceptual and then we see conceptual because if you’re an ivory tower we’re not the ones moving the dials right now maybe that’s what you were trying to do it runnin for mayor right you you want to be the one with the hand in the car driving the car you’re looking a switch that generates Oh what is it that’s gonna get enough people okay see that and help make those changes I call them theoretical you know conceptual yeah is it good or conceptual because they’re in the concept well how

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do we do that alright question I think I know it here because your radical your progressive in your thinking your outside the lines and the lines of that road you know and we’re trying to decide wilfer on the road off the road obviously you don’t think they’re on some things are on the road how do we get okay great I’m gonna I want to quote one of my favorite visionaries Buckminster Fuller okay okay he invented the geodesic dome like the Epcot Center a lot of people probably know especially the older

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generation knows Bucky because he lectured through the better part of the 20th century into his eighties he lectured and one of his most memorable quotes is to replace an old system create a new that renders the old obsolete and I take that as a directive from Bucky they say if you want to have the out out with the old you got to build something to replace it with see it’s not just enough for and that’s where that’s why I’m asking okay question so what is that building mechanism okay so you’re gonna be

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able to impact what are you talking about here this is a this is a big project and it requires big thinking and it requires putting aside limiting beliefs okay as we grow in and experience existence we start collecting beliefs and a lot of times these beliefs start to limit us okay sure you know that’s not bad to collect beliefs but it can be helpful or helpful to not hold on to those beliefs if they’re going to limit you especially when we’re talking about creating something new okay like this so what we

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need to do is we need to create a new government we need to create a new don’t if I can just just fill no we’ve got only got a couple of minutes left so keep it by a new government I I say we need new laws ok I’ve I’ve said it many times that it is the duty of the people to disobey unjust laws now why would we disobey them because we don’t want them so in a new government we only write the laws that we want and we only going to write laws that are just and that promote our life liberty and happiness

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again I appreciate your youth I call it theoretical because when what you just said conceptual it’s consistent here’s what we needs we have to now bring it into a system we just talked about how the justice system and you said well justice this courts you mean they don’t think the courts are just all these things that we’re talking about needs so much change I’d like to get through this mist we’ve got about a minute going on so is how do we drop all the veils and the separateness and realize we’re all

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one and that we should be doing this for a higher cause that serves all of us and you know absolutely so okay how to I guess we all have different ideas of that how to but it’s important to keep our minds open and like you said and do it in a non combative way but really radically change the way things I want to say something that radical 30 seconds we’re gonna be living in 30s it would be radical if there was a set of ten agreements that eight billion people on this earth agreed to cut out all the BS

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just the stuff that is important to all of us I know that we can come up with a list of ten things that we can all agree on and this is Beau Hawkes here with me Jason Soares at the neutral zone we want to leave the lines open for you to comment go up to our Maui neutral zone calm website for comments you can contact Beau Hawkes as well and me it’s a pleasure having you here today thank you for joining us we are signing out here from the neutral zone below hi everyone Aloha you