MAMA PRESENTS…Jason Schwartz with BOB ROGGASCH in late 1990s… Bob was a fixture in Paia. Friends with everyone, he was a champion for Akahi Nui, James Akahi, proclaimed King of Hawaiian islands. Bob speaks with Jason about why he is behind Akahi Nui & wife, Akahi Wahine.
Summary
The video features an in-depth conversation between Jason Schwartz and Bob Rogash, focusing on the Kingdom of Hawaii’s historical and contemporary sovereignty claims and the ongoing efforts to restore the Hawaiian nation. Bob Rogash, a passionate advocate for the Kanaka Maoli people (native Hawaiians), discusses the injustices committed by the United States and the State of Hawaii through the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom in 1893. He recounts his personal journey toward supporting the cause after his son brought home a sovereign license plate and introduced him to the Hawaiian Kingdom movement.
The dialogue covers the Kingdom of Hawaii’s legal standing as a sovereign nation recognized by international treaties and institutions such as The Hague (the International Court of Justice). Bob explains that despite annexation and occupation, the Kingdom retains legitimacy, with property titles and governance structures based on original Hawaiian laws and genealogy. He highlights the challenges faced in reclaiming lands and rights, including resistance from current landowners, bureaucratic hurdles, and racial tensions.
The discussion also delves into the envisioned peaceful transition of power from the current state government to the Kingdom of Hawaii over a two-year period, emphasizing a non-violent, equitable return of land titles, where land would be held in trust by the Kingdom and people would retain possession of the buildings on the land. Bob acknowledges skepticism about the feasibility of such a transition but remains hopeful due to spiritual beliefs and the leadership of His Majesty Akahi, the recognized Hawaiian monarch.
Additionally, Bob touches on the socioeconomic and cultural revival anticipated with the Kingdom’s restoration—families regaining stability, indigenous rights being respected, and Hawaii becoming a neutral nation akin to Switzerland. He stresses the importance of healing racial divides and creating a just society based on Hawaiian values and spirituality. The conversation concludes with a call for public awareness, peaceful dialogue, and cooperation to achieve these goals. The video also promotes the website freehawaii.org as a resource for more information on the Kingdom of Hawaii movement.
Highlights
[03:29] Bob Rogash discusses the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom and his personal commitment to righting historical wrongs.
[05:55] ⚖️ The Kingdom of Hawaii is recognized as a sovereign nation in international courts, including The Hague.
[07:50] The Kingdom now holds the deed to Iolani Palace and its surrounding land, symbolizing a key step in reclaiming sovereignty.
[16:31] The land restoration plan involves returning land titles to the Kingdom, with citizens retaining ownership of buildings, enabling a peaceful transition.
[19:13] ⚠️ The land restitution process faces challenges from racial tensions and opposition from current landholders.
[29:34] Reparations are expected from the U.S. government as part of restoring the Hawaiian nation’s sovereignty and economy.
[52:10] ✨ Spiritual belief is emphasized as central to the peaceful restoration and future prosperity of the Hawaiian Kingdom.
Key Insights
[03:29] Historical Injustice as a Personal Mission: Bob Rogash’s engagement with the Hawaiian sovereignty movement began through his son’s activism, highlighting how personal family experiences can catalyze broader political awareness and commitment to rectifying historic injustices. This underscores the importance of intergenerational dialogue in indigenous rights movements.
[05:55] ⚖️ International Legal Recognition: The Kingdom of Hawaii’s recognition by international bodies like The Hague validates its claims of sovereignty despite U.S. annexation. This legal framework provides a foundation for challenging the legitimacy of the current state government and advancing sovereignty claims on a global stage.
[07:50] Symbolic and Legal Reclamation: Holding the deed to Iolani Palace is not merely symbolic but foundational for re-establishing governance. It signifies reclaiming physical and legal control, essential for asserting national sovereignty and cultural identity restoration.
[16:31] Innovative Land Transition Model: The proposed land transfer respects current residents’ rights while restoring Hawaiian ownership through a trust system. This model attempts to balance justice for indigenous peoples with practical realities of existing land occupancy, aiming to avoid violent conflict and foster cooperation.
[19:13] ⚠️ Racial and Social Barriers: The restoration process must confront deep-rooted racial prejudices and fears among non-Hawaiian landowners, reflecting the broader social complexity of sovereignty movements. Addressing these tensions is crucial to prevent conflict and ensure peaceful coexistence.
[29:34] Economic Reparations and Sustainability: Drawing parallels to post-war reparations in Germany and Japan, Bob suggests that the U.S. government has a financial obligation to compensate Hawaii. Such reparations could support rebuilding infrastructure, governance, and economic independence, framing sovereignty as both a legal and economic issue.
[52:10] ✨ Spiritual Foundation for Change: The movement’s success is tied to spiritual beliefs and values rooted in Hawaiian culture, emphasizing peace, family, and communal well-being. This spiritual dimension offers a unique approach to conflict resolution and nation-building distinct from Western political paradigms.
The conversation offers a comprehensive perspective on the Hawaiian sovereignty movement, blending legal, historical, social, economic, and spiritual elements. It highlights both the challenges and hopes for restoring the Kingdom of Hawaii as a sovereign nation while fostering reconciliation and sustainable development.
Transcript
aloha this is jason schwartz from mama maui arts and music association mama presents bob rogash for yet a second time hi helen yeah right on jason welcome back bob hey i’m it’s always a pleasure to even see you
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walking down the street because you are such an inspiration to so many people well i appreciate that let’s get this leaf out of your head oh we’ll just take that and move it back that way then there we go i would like to talk about where the kingdom is going to be going into the future i am american who is an american to right the wrong that was done by the state of hawaii and the united states of america to the kanakamali people to the aboriginal people of this island you’ve taken it as your personal
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responsibility and goal in your life that’s right it’s a great goal to be to be at the edge of this thing is like every time i see his majesty and and i i i just thank god that i’ve been able to play this part of the role you know and it’s really interesting how i got started this because my son was in uh maui high school and he came home and says hey dad this place is stolen i said well every place is stolen in america that’s one of the things about america is that things are taken by from other people
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and the next thing i know he came home with a yellow sovereign license plate next thing i knew he had tickets and i said ah man this this can get hairy you can’t be driving around with these uh license plates on your car so i happened to meet his majesty at um it wasn’t it was knox i think it was knox it was uh it wasn’t kinkos it’s kinkels now but he was there running some papers off and and i happened to look across the paper i said oh well that looks good he told me that he had the seal and he showed me
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the material and i said wow this is an entity this isn’t just a group this is an entity so he invited me to go to uh a meeting and i went this was a kai yeah this long time ago you know eight years ago and um wow yeah and uh eight years eight years and when we went to the when i went to the meeting i i was the only hawaiian hawaiian there huh they were all eight years ago was when is that concurrent with when clinton apologized to the warriors that’s right yeah it was there it might have been seven years ago i
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have a hard time with dates and times but it was long enough ago it was in the infancy of official that’s right uh we please forgive us we’ve done you wrong that’s right okay we’ve done you wrong and so then my son started getting tickets with the pink license plates i had uh they were the pink license plates and everybody knows about the pink glasses and those tickets those tickets are at the the uh in haig now so all those tickets all in the netherlands pig in the netherlands because
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the kingdom of hawaii is a sovereign nation whether the state wants to look at it that way it is and it is going to be returned back to its status there’s no doubt in my mind that that’s gonna that’s a very good point you made you may the hague which is in the netherlands is the world court that’s right and at the location there were treaties there are treaties there are treaties between countries that uh have significance and at the i’m putting words in your mouth go ahead and at the time that the
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united states annexed hawaii in 1893 no that was that was the overthrow oh that was the overthrow that was the overthrow 1893 january 16th or 17th uh 1893 was the overthrow but at that time there were treaties in place that said hey you can’t if wherever we have a war of any kind uh we’re not gonna wipe out your country that’s right that’s right and one of the people don’t understand why the the jack is the union the english jack is on the flag yeah england signed a treaty with the kingdom of hawaii a peace
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treaty and would to protect any other countries from coming in overthrew it when was this earlier oh this was early on before yeah okay early on yeah early early early on and now that the palace has been returned not returned because the palace the deed is now in the kingdom’s hands they have the deed you mean they have the physical deed on the title for the land and the building well in the building yeah for the land uh where the iolani palace is that’s right where we had the coronation uh this
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majesty was coordinated there and there’s 11 acres i believe that ben kawatawa’s uh or been you know a governor cayetano i don’t you know kaya who who is who is that that filipino guy who was a markle i think that he’s getting real close to a marco huh i don’t want to call him by his name because i think he has how do you mean the guy from the philippines philippines yeah this is this is the american version of how we can really screw you over i i appreciate you yeah i mean i
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like color no it’s true i believe that if you look at the history of of uh ben cayetano it wasn’t many years ago maybe it was but it was some years ago where he was in shirt sleeves just like you and he was a radical leader did you know that so i’m just saying to you from headphones so now you see him now i know i’ve seen him why do you feel uncomfortable i don’t respect him because well because you can’t respect anybody who has no direction in making a better society but i think
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he’d agree with you well lots of people doesn’t make any difference whether he agrees with you or not do you think that that he has one person you could say it yeah i can say it yeah good job i don’t like saying it i always say the same thing to akahi now that you have it you’re right how do you enforce that you have a world court how do you enforce that what makes you think that cayetano isn’t trying the best that he knows how in this system from his words well from his actions is there anything
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about him specifically all we have to do is look at the school teaching process that the fact that they’ve signed they signed in and now he’s going to go and renegotiate the uh the uh contract with the teachers just that alone right there because there is nothing more important than the keiki’s period whether you’re in in the occupied force of the state of hawaii or whether you’re in the kingdom of hawaii or whether you’re living the occupied force of of alaska it is the keikis of all those
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places that’s important and i say right here that ben cabot whatever i can mispronounce it okay that he isn’t living up to those nor is he living up to the constitution of the united states he’s living up to something else you know the occupied force huh it’s very dramatic i’m sure very good delivery i think that this is not maybe a time to get into those issues but if you were governor and you have a budget you have this many dollars yes kids are absolutely important the k keys
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and if you think that this this this this and this are already taken and now this group wants more money and you don’t know where to get it from that’s not an easy role to be in that doesn’t forgive the lack of money for the teachers it’s just a matter of it’s a tough deal it’s a tough deal when you’re when you’re trying to be something that you’re not you’re not a governor of the state of hawaii the state of hawaii is absolutely illegal uh entity it doesn’t
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have any morality whatsoever as a deal i’m trying to convey that there is the the bureau of conveyance is such up there convey conveyance that was good the bureaucracy the bureau of conveyance is was started in 1840 as a means to transfer titles of land ever meant to transfer land it was a genealogy book it was a book of genealogy it was interesting and see it was never with land so who set it up the hawaiian third yeah the one when they became 1840s when they became the uh uh nation number 25 in the united
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nations you know if i know that governor knows that this nation is nation number 25 i know he knows that i know that every judge knows it i know that every police officer in the world america is number 67. england is number one france is number two oh so this is number two japan has never recognition of nations those are the numbers of nations that i think there’s 280 nations now all right so like each number is a nation so hawaii is a nation okay so i got your point ben your point is that cayetano knows this he knows this yeah
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well what do you do you still have to function and serve the people the you serve the right you know there was a little comment uh uh this is uh i’m trying to understand what your point is i know you don’t like him is he only a person is it a symbol is he a symbol of what you don’t want personally it’s a it’s the office that he holds that he has no right to hold and if he knows that that office is wrong well then he has to there’s no difference between what could he do from there in other
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words he could give it back to the kingdom what he could do that would be a great step well let’s say he did that there’s this whole government system in place you think that things would just change oh i believe that it’s it’s there is a set of uh priorities i believe it’s a two-year a two-year changeover first thing that the the governor will then transfer the power to his majesty and then the power to do the power of the governor and then over the period of the next two years
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the reinstating of the government back to 1893 would take place has akahi been officially recognized as the king in the world court oh yes oh yeah he has well of course he’s got a passport no i’m maybe the kingdom is recognized no he has a kind of death okay he is and his right to to govern and rule is from the right lineage from lineage yes okay and how is the rule passed from him to a successor well i think a couple of weeks ago you were there at uh yao valley i think that these uh the uh people there were people there
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who is standing up it goes through uh the the genealogy line so it’s family it’s done by like england did it exactly from father or mother to son and daughter or whatever the ones that were best fitted to some some wish not to do it that’s a tough i mean i as an individual wonder if someone is declared king and now pardon me whether i like them or not now they’re going to appoint someone else to replace them as the king there’s a representative monarch you know i mean so is that same
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like in england where there’s a government running he had though he had the house of nobles that’s the senate that was the senate then you had all the governors of each of of each island that was the house of representative huh so they would come together and meet with uh and and share their needs and ideas that what they needed to sustain their life is this anywhere in writing i mean we’re talking about this a lot of people say well what are they talking about how do they know what
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what those set up and where it is very much so it’s all it’s all documented i mean all you have to do is go back and read so i’m saying to you i always i think when we were talking last time we got to a point where i said okay let me grant you akahi’s the king the kingdom of hawaii exists now what oh and right now before we got there we have land here we have people that have transferred title quote illegally there’s been a cloud on this title that’s right because this land
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is not free and clear owned right that’s right and so what do we do now and how do people that are here that are in positions of ownership whether it be free full and clear ownership or they have mortgages on their properties what do we do now how do they get involved his majesty doesn’t want to just start throwing people out saying that you can’t be here that’s not that’s not the thing that’s not that’s not his goal we’re all here we all have to live matter of fact
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i think that he’s going to win the nobel peace prize because he’s come up with a different way for a transfer of government than anyone else because he’s saying oh we’re not going to chase you away we’re not going to do it but you have to recognize the wrong that took place you can’t say that you own this piece of property because you know you don’t what you have to do is to give it back to the kingdom and then the kingdom will then give it back to you that’s it and
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it’s just a transfer of the genealogy book and the bureau conveyance huh what does that do with mortgage companies well i think mortgage companies are you know they’re it’s going to be just like the savings alone velasco well is it the same as now i mean for example if it’s the state of hawaii land kingdom of hawaii land the title companies all this time have been transferring and lying please listen to my argument i’m trying to find a smooth way i’m saying that if if the land right now
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is the state of hawaii when mortgages happen the things that are encumbered are the land and the uh things improvements on the land if it be the kingdom of hawaii what could be encumbered in a mortgage is the land in the kingdom of hawaii and the improvements on it is there any real difference what would the state of what would the kingdom of hawaii do any differently than the state of hawaii as far as how it relates to the ground the ground if nothing then the answer is there is a smooth transition
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and the people that are here would feel comfortable in in realizing that they’re not going to lose what they got granted lots of hawaiians many all of them that don’t have land feel like they’ve been cheated so there’s a right so there’s some compensation in some major fashion necessary to wrong the right any words on how to do that i mean what are we going to do to get all the people that want to see wright be done uh get get addressed have you discussed that with the kite well
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he all the land is going back into the kingdom trust okay and the only thing that you can mortgage is a building on top of it that’s it you own the building you have all those things so those kinds of loans are different meaning those are for example those called leasehold and very few lending institutions deal with leasehold lending well but that’s the way it’s going to be again okay so and the transition how does that happen well the transition is is is a little bit of a nightmare
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it’s not a nightmare or what it is it brings up the ugly head of racism it’s what it does huh because well it i if you walked in my my shoes and you heard people talk about the hawaiians in a not in a friendly way but in a negative way that well they don’t have any control of the land they didn’t fight for it it’s not theirs we’re here now you know i’ll kill them if anybody takes my land you know i mean i get you we can walk down the street and i bet we can get people on the film
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say hey if somebody wants my land i’m going to kill them that’s a pretty common pretty common thing coming from uh the land holders here obviously that’s not that’s not that’s not a sensitive insane no but that’s that’s where we’re at that’s this nation is built upon races so now with that kind of confrontation expected now what are you going to do that’s what i’m asking how do we do it can you say to those people no we’re not going to take your land that’s what akai
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he’s talking about well he he’s going to say it isn’t your land of the kingdom of hawaii you’re going to have to have to look at the the basically the 10 commandments thy shall not steal if you can’t if you can if you cannot live by those ten commandments and vai shall not steal i should not you know i mean i’m just taking that one because when you go to honor you’ll see that written on the road by shall not steal hawaiian lands huh that’s everybody called david barrett
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peter wins pride that’s right that’s right and and every all these people are they’re stealing and that’s the reason i have such a hard time with ben the ben the governor the band the band because he he knows he knows so do a lot of people know well he’s a head of state okay you can pick on him i’m just thinking i’m not trying to pick on him i’m just trying to grow a uh a a relative he he is a person who needs to be at the forefront of transferring power well instead he’s
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at the forefront of continuing the power well what if the governor and the whole structure was here and it was now kingdom of hawaii and they are dealing with the united states as a territory that is not a united states territory but a protectorate well i don’t think that he the nation has a race but i’m saying like in england i don’t know because i’m not a student of that but i’m trying to say is how can this be uh the wrong be righted without creating the friction on a personal
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level where someone’s gonna stand and tell you they’re gonna shoot you if you take the land so we’re not going to take the land all the people that are hawaiians now what’s left for them is there enough land is there enough open space what are we going to do every piece of land that has been frauded will have to go through the process if if if with whom with the kingdom court system you know that’s a nightmare in itself i mean how many pieces nightmare how many titles there’s tons
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there’s tons but so but they’re all illegal there are you cannot say that any title is legal so it’s the united states has said something called now that we know that we know that i know we talk about no transfers and so i’m trying to say now now that we have that what do we do where’s the wisdom what do we do the wisdom is to by the grace of god or akua and crystal and and the belief in a higher order in life that the kingdom is going to make everything be as pona as possible certainly so in
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theory you’re you’re uh appealing to god to what stop those bullets from flying out of that gun to to speed a hundred and two hundred thousand three hundred million scrillion titles through the courts in less than a lifetime i mean what’s the mechanism that’s the reason anybody who’s got a piece of land can turn it into the kingdom and then the kingdom will then return it back to you and all you have is the buildings on there and not the land so what about the revenue where does
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that go the revenue goes to the kingdom of hawaii under the same kind of terms as they’re now being laid out in other words there’s revenue that runs this the government and the services that could well be done completely as king of hawaii the road everything all that yeah so what’s the mechanism and how do we get how do we stop the fear in the people that aren’t the hawaiians well that’s what i’m trying to get to the easiest way to do that is to reach for a higher order
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you can’t do that on human man’s law a very brave and demanding guy to think that this physical world is going to reach into the spiritual realm and pull down the uh the gentleness and the uh whatever you want to call it never mind down create the reality of no violence in this physical world we’re all worried about push and pull right for physical world so you’re saying that our spiritual world and level that those things aren’t as important that’s right but then what i mean how
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do you think that is going to linger no i think if you see jesus riding in a chariot across the sky and we all do and suddenly the world lightens up and we’re all brothers and sisters and hey my land your land what is it do you feel that’s coming that’s so that’s what you’re asking for i’m not asking for i’m just you’re hoping well i’m trying to really find that completely yeah gentle loving solution between two people loving and gentle they never lifted in any way
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to bring harm to the people that brought them harm and they still haven’t done it and they’re not going to do that they’re not going to allow themselves like okay they’re not going to be like in israel who’s they you mean their leader kingdom the kingdom of why and the the kanakamali people are not going to be like israel where they have to pick up arms and start battling like that you think that the israelis want to fight well i think you’re put in a situation where they
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they defending themselves well i don’t i i it’s hard to say that’s hard to say but i’ll like so what about if that’s a land what if that happens here well i don’t think that’s going to happen here well it’s not the same thing with the palestinian palestinians and the israelis because the israel was put there by the american government and england aren’t the hawaiians like the palestinians and saying hey you took our land and the israelis say well that’s ireland that’s all right that’s
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interesting well so i’m asking so now what do they do seems to be a little blood has been spilled the the the difference is is that the lions are are going to allow people who haven’t committed crimes against the state and who takes who who’s willing to come into the kingdom of hawaii as as as a nation and not try to depose it those people this is going to be paradise paradise is coming back again huh this is not paradise driving out here it’s not paradise anymore do you think it’s going to be any more paradise
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because we have a sign that says kingdom yes well how well in the first place it’s we right now we have a uh we have a government that encompasses a whole island huh the county government encompasses a couple islands i believe that’s not going to be the type of government it’s going to be the the divisions the land divisions and each land division is going to be responsible for their actions the way i see it is that like in hana there’s that that’s a land division there ohana is going to have
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everything they need to sustain their people right there the next next one over uh which i can’t say the name of it because i haven’t so you’re talking about setting objects system again i can’t say that well that’s going to be done so basically you’re saying that’s what the two-year convention that’s what the two-year transfer is all about well and then tourism will still be here tourism is going to be better than ever because okay you know tourism tourism is for people to get away
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to see a culture where to get away how are all the people going to have houses i mean those same problems are going to exist the roads are still going to be crowded or we’re going to have mass transportation these are the kind of things that still have to be dealt with no matter who they have probably mass transportation but right off probably the money comes from where see i’m asking these questions well because they’re grounded in the fact that the dollars for mass transportation might come from
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the state will now be the kingdom where do they get the money the same guys that we’re trying to pay the teachers the feds the federal government united states supplementing where suddenly we’re not going to be a state so how do we make that transfer what do we do to to create a base of the economy well the hawaiian nation if you recall what germany had to do what they had to pay they had to pay represent rep reparations reparations the american money the american government is going to have to
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pay they’re going to have to pay there’s no doubt in my mind that they’re going to have to pay and who got that money the united states got that money and they gave it to the people created services rebuilt germany in fact one of the things well they rebuilt back other other countries okay they rebuilt back other countries they didn’t give it to them to that the the german the german government paid uh the other governments that they came in and taken over and they had to give them so much
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government to to to redo their infrastructure that was done and uh just like we did with japan we did with japan japan paid it back japan is a you know to all japan’s nation number 26 hawaii is number 25. they’re very close very very close a lot closer than people think man japan is going to be right here helping the kingdom of hawaii same as the swiss and i think that when we look at the what the the where hawaii is going it’s going to be the swedish the switzerland in the pacific wait wait what
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you’re talking about a neutral country a neutral country so what’s the point of being neutral well the point of being neutral is that against what who’s on what side now wow that’s what i’m saying it’s neutral of what well you’re talking too fast for me neutral is that you sign peace treaties with other nations and you do not try to interrupt their government with your government and that’s what took place here so the united states government is what it’s about that’s what it’s all about
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so that and that’s what the swiss is all about too you know that’s what and that’s what this is going to be and and that i don’t know how you know he at turning the over at the time of the overthrow they were all christians all the wines were christian there was no two ways about it now i understand that they were christians before they even they were called uh uh eow and crystal crystal would be the son of be be christ and eow was was god and they had came to that separate and independent
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of anybody coming and telling them that they had on their own then it got changed and transferred that now we converted them what they already were so we say that we converted them but they’re already there they’re still there they’re still at a higher level playing i think it’s it’s really important for all the people here who believe in a spiritual element in life to understand that this nation here has only been less than 200 years from not having iron they had no iron i mean that was a nail was the most
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valuable thing to a wine because there was no nails here there is a softness that is going to resonate through the world and that resonate is going to be for all the indigenous people his majesty in 1997 at the uh uh also in haig had said that hawaii is going to be a place for all indigenous people to have a place so that they can fight for their rights as not necessarily just aborigine people to restore their land the same as united nations has it in new york the same thing here this is going to be
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the this is going to blossom into the world of i’m an old hippie so i’d like to say love and peace and i really believe that i really truly believe that this is something greater than anybody i just have to be talking about it right now but it’s there people know it people know that there’s something going on and this ruralism has a very very i mean this this island’s dying right now i if it goes on for another uh 10 years in the state there’s not going to be anything left in this
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it’s just going to be a military outlay and then all the people be gone i think that’s what they really want anyway i think that they would just assume this who’s they the government the government the navy okay the navy which works through the uh through the plantations they take all the good sweet water that should be used for us we get all the brackish water they clean it up because they got way they put all the sweet water on the sugar cane so that they can have good sugar cane huh they were never
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allowed to grow the sugar cane their stories are very colorful huh very colorful i i’m very i want to get back okay to where we are because you like to add all kinds of good stuff i don’t know you know you get real juicy about the water and the military okay i want to get you can talk about anything you want okay but i’m just i thought we were here to really okay this talk about the the dream yeah the dream and how to get people to cooperate well i don’t know how i could talk about
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that because it’s that’s a difficult one but you’re here obviously as a passionate white guy like me that’s right you’re more active and you’re out there speaking to others about it yes but you’re the only one to talk you’re the only one that films anybody well i know that’s not that well within that they’re welcome i’m sure that if if asked others would film no no so far it hasn’t when his majesty was put in jail we sent out 400 to 400 news agencies
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about this and it’s a complete blackout there is it’s like living living in hawaii is like a zone you know there’s no zone when when they were in switzerland uh cruising around europe everybody was really and there’s information around you know there they say oh yeah right on but when you come here it’s a dark side this is a dark side and this we’re living in the dark ages in a while do people know who akahi is no do they want to does akai want that well he’s you want me to put a picture
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right now of akahi right on screen oh sure yeah go ahead okay see that that’s akahi oh he’s king of hawaii that’s the that’s our website page no that’s his face that’s his face i’ll put it over here now i’ll put the website okay what’s the website address www.freehawaii.org www.freehawaii.org okay yeah and the website has been really uh eric we were walking down the the road one day as for where he was living and and we were talking about the king hawaii and he
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said he really wanted help but there was nothing he could do and then he got this little inheritance so he bought this nice computer and stuff like that it took us about a year to get the site up huh so the site’s been up now we’ve got 85 000 people but the site has a lot of a lot of trout uh israel his majesty wanted to go to israel so they wrote to israel to get a uh a visa to let them accept well the letters came back the postal stuff that they sent came back and they had footprints on them and stuff
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like that they were we looked at them wow look at this this is heavy you know duty so uh her majesty called the embassy and said hey you know what’s happening your stuff is being rejected they said oh no it’s not being rejected it didn’t it hasn’t made it here yet something’s happened so somebody was involved in not getting it forward two days later they called her up after looking at wwe hawaii because we have all these documents on it and ww free away and they were able to look at the swiss
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uh visa get the number get his passport and then was able because it’s all there right that’s good was able to to call him back and said hey you can come but we don’t know whether we can protect you or not meaning meaning they don’t have the guards for him as roy what i understand is that you’re welcome to come here but we don’t know if we could protect you okay so that’s it and and you know i could go back all the way back to saddam you know sudan and um at the time of uh taking
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over kuwait which was was really saddam hussein said that he would be more than happy to let kuwait stay there if america would get back away that’s interesting well because hawaii is a nation it’s nation number 25 it’s the only nation that’s been occupied by another saddam hussein said that he would be happy to give back kuwait if america gave back hawaii that’s right did you know that i never heard that one because yeah well it’s in time magazine wow i couldn’t even find it for you i
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got the article stashed away somewhere maybe one of you guys will find it yeah you know i know time keeps running on so we what are some of the things that you want to be sure you want to share today bob what i want to be sure what i want that this is a very gentle situation and it is a situation where they want to re restore the family they believe that the family is totally shot you can’t be working three jobs two people in your family five jobs just to try to sustain the kingdom when it comes into play
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one person in that household may have to leave for two or three hours a day but that’s it everything is going to it’s going to be a change it’s going to be a change so that the families can start going so that the children and the family are taken care of they’re not alone they’re not key childs they’re they’re children who are going to have other things to learn that their kupunas can teach them and that’s what’s happening right now the kupuna’s are doing a little
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transition it’s a transition how do you think that you’re going to stop latchkey kids and have parents home how can you force parents home when they need money for things that’s because you’re thinking of western civilization you’re not thinking about hawaiian you know so you think it’s going to really change oh totally talk but how can that be because what about mortgages and people out there the mortgage has nothing to do with with with uh all those mortgages are any person who
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has a mortgage all they need to do is to challenge that mortgage company who said that you had a good title because it isn’t a good title and every mortgage company is going to be sued by the people who got mortgage insurance that even people didn’t get it’s the title company it isn’t the mortgage company i i hear what you’re saying what i’m really saying is your ideas in that seem to be more idealistic than realistic well when you’re when you’re dealing with the nation
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that was totally self-sufficient that they only had to leave their house to go do a little stuff work in the low a’s and come back that’s what they want they don’t want to have what we’re dealing with today this is not a system well i i hear that but yet i know why do we have mcdonald’s here why do we have all these uh because people here said we want those things that wasn’t the wine government saying that that was the united states occupied force well i’m talking about individual
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individuals you can’t be individual when you’re part just like in france and after the nazis they the people there took on and started living under the nazi regime until they were freed every society when you’re overthrown by this i understand your point i just know i don’t see how it’s going to be done and i can hope like you would that suddenly we would all be touched by an angel well i believe that that’s what’s going to happen okay i totally believe that that’s what’s
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going to happen and the angel is going to relinquish the hardship of of all the people here whether that whether whether whether they’re american citizens who just came here who are trying to live in paradise and saying this is paradise this is the hardest place i’ve ever been in the world this is hard here it’s hard to live here you know every house has three families living in it there’s no real easy way of living here i think very hard and that’s all going to change i think we should do this first of all i
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know i want to see this this is now a page from freehawaii.org site you can go and check there and see if a lot of the things that bob is talking about is it also how about the plan of how the changeover is gonna happen that’s not there that’s not okay the the wwe hawaii is a site that took documents that people couldn’t normally find okay and we put them up there so it justifies it just so what about these i hope that akahi will consent very soon to sitting here on television with me
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and not to have to justify i’m sure we’ll go through a period of that but i would like to hear from the king not that i don’t appreciate you i appreciate that a lot but i’m speaking for the king okay i got that i’m speaking for wwe bob rogage okay americans for first nations right americans for that is a really very lofty ideal americans for first nations those are the indigenous peoples of the world well aboriginal people because now that i find a little more that the reason there’s talking about indigenous
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people is anybody born here after even after the overthrow become indigenous huh the aborigines are before the indigenous people they’re the people who was overthrown by the indigenous people now huh so okay go back that’s yeah i’d just like to keep so there’s there’s a straight line those statistics you guys had some uh statistics of um the website so you’ve been getting thousands of hits yeah and this is tomorrow in two days the ninth of march i think this is the seventh of march
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we’ll be on the air and i believe we’re at 86 000 87 000 somewhere in there right now and we haven’t all i do is just go around and do it but it is it is a very very successful site for people looking at information it’s we’re we’re not indoctrinating people there huh we’re all we’re doing is putting the stuff there and allowing them to make that decision that’s always the case it’s like the internet is like a huge encyclopedia yeah so there is documentation there that
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justifies the existence of the kingdom of hawaii but there’s still no sight or any interface with the king there is an interface with the king how where on the on our site the the the on our site we have we have a place there for him and the anybody passes the matches we take it and then tran take it to him and give it give it how can people get in touch with you bob if they want www.org no i mean do you have an email address uh or do you have a phone number or anything i don’t have a phone number
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uh when you get on wwe hawaii there’s places if you see this guy in the street there’s no way other than to grab it and talk to him that’s it they’re pretty friendly and easy to talk to well some people say i’m not what oh yeah well you know i think when you call people pigs it kind of slows them down they’re not friendly but that’s that they deserve it no no no where’s that gentle thing the i’m not hawaiian oh god okay [Laughter] i say that the lions are much more
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gentle than i am they would never say the things i say never they would be on beyond their uh their capacity to hurt and hurt people i mean i i think you’re extremely generous to the hawaiian people in your granting them a status other than human i think they’re human but anyway they are human but they’re humans who lived in a society that was self-sustaining but all they had to do is wake up in the morning yawn say okay we’re gonna go get something and they go out and gather the food and
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then they came together then they go do their little things sit in the shade tree in the afternoon and then they go do something else you think they’re ready to wear their uh their pareos and uh go out and be and get primitive again that’s not no we’re in a new world so that’s what the queen said the queen said that this nation will rise back up when the time is right and i tell you last at the airport when all those kupunas were all there and at that night when bumpy came in and reduced his majesty as his majesty
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akainui the kingdom of hawaii at that meeting i tell you i had chicken skin what was this this was like at the airport this last uh last one and then um when his majesty was just got out of jail the kupuna’s were all there waiting for him to come out of jail um why he was in jail we’ll talk to that is it okay yeah it’s on our website you go all the way down the bottom and there’s a late breaking news and you push that and i think it takes six minutes to download it but there’s there’s that uh yeah well he
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was in jail for trespassing trespassing on at this gravesite on on his land there’s so much more here i want to hear from you i want to hear from you please send your comments to me at freehawaii dreammaui.com and let’s gather information and share with the king and let’s get the king on if we can well let’s be on when the time is right you know well i spoke to him and he’s talking about wanting to get on soon i just know i am very much a believer that we have to have some roundtable
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conversations to be able to find a way to address these problems because violence and someone standing and defending their land is it’s going to be very harsh well i mean i i talked about the races and you were in lower nico on a short ridge’s place yeah and you heard now this gentleman was uh i think he’s 72 or 73. who’s that um the the person who’s who his majesty was dressing as kanaka molly and he got up and raised up and said you don’t call me a i wow i’ve never
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heard that before i mean and since since that time i found that the the the wonderful people of the state of hawaii or the territory of hawaii has nothing looked at them as a black person and said that that’s what they were matter of fact there’s places in the in 1894 after the overthrow where they referred to as being nothing but black people that they there was they didn’t have anything so we could just take them they didn’t have uh what was uh coming about but those are those are heavy issues and those issues
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have to be dealt with huh those are issues that tell you when you get a kanaka molly who has been saying that you cannot be who you are because the people who are in charge of you governor he needs to be looking at this he should get a he should get a uh a group of people out here to look at the racial discrimination against the people here this maybe you have a lot of people here and they say it’s a melting pot it’s a melting pot with the highest number of policemen per capita with the highest number of paid how many
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gated communities are here you don’t have a free society when you have gated communities you have racist societies and that’s what this place is it’s racist and his majesty doesn’t he’s not a racist i’m not a racist i’m just bringing that out that this has to be dealt with and it’s it’s an issue that needs to be dealt with aren’t you glad we have public access television the passion that comes from from bob rogash is uh without a question an honest loving
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passion i would like to see further conversations and action taken so that we can all live in peace and get together cast this totally but i do i do believe it’s going to be with akula and akua is a word for god and akula is the leader of the kanakamali people his majesty is just there following aku’s ways and that i i after being there at the march on this uh in lahaina and all those kupunas that came there afterwards and we sat down and we had dinner i know that that’s the case you
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know it’s the case it’s a higher order of life than we’re looking at why don’t we end on that note i think that’s a good note to leave right on thank you jason thank you for being here with me bob thank you for being here thank you guys for being here i know that no matter what you feel about this subject more information will not hurt anyone will help so that we might come better to address this issue and learn to live in peace and find some solutions here so we can all get on with the life the greater things
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thank you for joining us everyone and we hope to see you again aloha hello well jason what’d you think it worked out good thank you again you’re welcome
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