Jason Schwartz closes out year 2024 with SCOTT R BUSHNELL. Scott’s take on the changes happening in our world are a glimpse into the coming economic changes coming in early 2025. Conversation about WHY and WHAT we might do are an interesting journey of conversation.
Summary & Transcript
– [00:00 → 10:00] Introduction and Local Economic Challenges
- The video opens with hosts Jason Schwartz and Scott R Bushnell welcoming viewers to their program, Neutral Zone Maui, discussing the transition from 2024 to 2025.
- They reflect on the local economic environment, focusing on the restaurant industry in Maui:
- Many restaurants are closing; staff are shared between establishments, showing instability.
- Chef shortages exist, especially for quality chefs, driving up labor costs.
- The housing market is experiencing record vacancies, contrasting with previously long waiting lists pre-COVID.
- Housing affordability is a critical issue:
- The monthly income needed to qualify for low-income housing is now about $8,000/month, a sharp increase from six years ago.
- High rents force local workers into crowded living situations, sometimes with eight or nine people sharing a one-bedroom apartment.
- The hosts highlight a discrepancy between reports of large numbers of illegal immigrants and the local population also needing housing, creating competition for limited housing resources.
- There is skepticism about the effectiveness of laws regulating occupancy and rentals, noting poor enforcement and overcrowded living conditions.
- The rental market is expected to adjust downward due to increasing vacancies, but landlords face pressures from rising property taxes and utility costs, limiting their ability to lower rents.
- Real estate activity is expected to increase due to these pressures, with potential changes in ownership and market dynamics.
– [10:00 → 20:00] Real Estate, Economy, and Federal Reserve Impact
- Discussion on the impact of rising property taxes on long-term homeowners, sometimes exceeding their income.
- The hosts emphasize the need to grow the economy but question how locals can avoid increasing tax burdens.
- The concept of “false equity” is introduced:
- Despite rising property values, this equity is illusory because lenders limit borrowing to a fraction of home value.
- The monetary system, governed by the Federal Reserve (created in 1913), is critiqued for printing money and creating economic distortions.
- The hosts note that economic policies have favored the wealthy, creating widening disparities.
- They discuss the contrast between real value (e.g., gold in 1847) and today’s inflated prices and values.
- The growth of government bureaucracy is criticized for inefficiency and excessive regulation.
- Housing permit approvals in Lina town have been minuscule post-disasters, indicating bureaucratic delays hindering recovery and rebuilding.
- A recent Supreme Court ruling reiterates that only Congress can make laws, invalidating actions by agencies like EPA, FEMA, and others that have acted beyond their legislative authority—though this ruling has not received much public attention.
- This ruling could have significant implications on government agencies’ operations and regulations.
– [20:00 → 30:00] Government Overreach, Economic Policy, and Social Issues
- The hosts discuss government size and inefficiency and the need to focus tax dollars on essential services like police, fire, and education rather than bloated bureaucracies.
- The no-child-left-behind policy is highlighted as a failure due to its rigid, one-size-fits-all testing model.
- The conversation touches on social unrest in recent years, including riots and protests, attributing some of it to media manipulation and political performance.
- The concept of cognitive dissonance is introduced to explain how people hold contradictory beliefs based on media influence, fueling political and social division.
- The hosts express concern about the polarized nature of political discourse, emphasizing the need for reasoned debate over emotional reactions.
- Discussion on the health benefits of traditional diets featuring fats and meats, citing Bobby Kennedy Jr.’s advocacy against low-fat diets and processed foods.
- They link poor diet to health issues like Alzheimer’s and stress the benefits of fats for brain health.
- The conversation shifts toward the challenges faced by local residents navigating complex government paperwork and bureaucracy, often leading to frustration and disengagement.
- Examples include veterans and disaster survivors overwhelmed by the complexities of claims and benefits forms.
– [30:00 → 40:00] Education, Bureaucracy, and Community Support
- The hosts emphasize the importance of local control over education and community involvement, criticizing federal mandates that impose uniform standards.
- They advocate for returning decision-making to teachers, parents, and local boards to tailor education to community needs.
- The need for increased teacher pay is highlighted as a way to attract and retain quality educators who can afford to live locally.
- Discussion on the lack of retraining programs for displaced government workers and others impacted by economic and technological shifts, such as AI.
- They note government employees often have advanced degrees but are stuck in redundant bureaucratic roles.
- AI is seen as both a threat and an opportunity in government efficiency, potentially eliminating jobs but also requiring new skill sets.
- Argentina is presented as a positive example of economic turnaround through reducing bureaucracy, controlling inflation, and encouraging entrepreneurship.
- Texas is mentioned as a U.S. state experiencing significant job growth and economic expansion by fostering business-friendly policies.
- Emphasis on individual states’ rights and local innovation as key to economic improvement.
– [40:00 → 52:00] Technology, Media, and Future Directions
- The hosts discuss challenges faced by older generations in adapting to technology, citing statistics that most TV news viewers are over 70.
- Traditional media’s declining influence is noted alongside the rise of digital platforms.
- They express concern about increasing government surveillance powers enabled by recent legislation.
- The Patriot Act and internet monitoring are discussed as examples of expanded government oversight with limited public awareness.
- The hosts encourage viewers to stay informed and engaged despite the complex and often overwhelming information landscape.
- Personal anecdotes highlight the importance of physical and mental health, with Scott sharing his experiences improving his wellness through diet and exercise.
- They stress the value of community support and accessible programs, such as swimming lessons and small business development.
- The conversation ends with a call to reduce bureaucracy, support local entrepreneurs (e.g., food trucks aspiring to open restaurants), and foster community-driven economic growth.
Key Insights and Conclusions
- Maui’s local economy faces significant challenges: rising rents, housing shortages, labor shortages, and economic uncertainty.
- Housing affordability crisis is exacerbated by rising property taxes and lack of new housing permits, creating pressure on locals and limiting economic growth.
- Federal Reserve policies and government bureaucracy contribute to economic distortions and inequities, creating “false equity” and limiting real wealth growth for most.
- Recent Supreme Court rulings may limit overreach of federal agencies, emphasizing the constitutional role of Congress in lawmaking.
- Social and political polarization is fueled by cognitive dissonance and media manipulation, complicating public discourse and policymaking.
- Health and nutrition advice advocates a return to traditional, whole-food diets rich in fats, challenging prevailing low-fat diet paradigms.
- Education needs decentralization and increased funding for teachers, tailored to local cultural and community needs.
- Technological advances (AI) offer potential for government efficiency but threaten existing jobs, requiring proactive retraining and education.
- Examples from Argentina and Texas illustrate successful economic reforms via deregulation, reduced bureaucracy, and local control.
- Media consumption is shifting away from traditional outlets, highlighting generational divides and the need for accessible, trustworthy information sources.
- Community empowerment and local entrepreneurship are key to sustainable economic growth, requiring removal of regulatory barriers and support for small businesses.
Timeline of Major Topics Covered
| Timestamp | Topic Summary |
|---|---|
| 00:00 – 10:00 | Local economy challenges: restaurant closures, labor shortages, housing market crisis |
| 10:00 – 20:00 | Real estate pressures, property taxes, Federal Reserve impact, Supreme Court rulings |
| 20:00 – 30:00 | Government overreach, social unrest, cognitive dissonance, health and diet discussion |
| 30:00 – 40:00 | Education reform, bureaucracy, retraining, AI impact, Argentina and Texas economic examples |
| 40:00 – 52:00 | Technology adaptation, media decline, government surveillance, personal health, community growth |
Quantitative Data Table
| Data Point | Value / Description |
|---|---|
| Monthly income needed for low-income housing | $8,000/month (current) |
| Property taxes and rent increases | Significant, outpacing local incomes (qualitative) |
| Lina town housing permits approval rate | ~10% applied, very low actual approvals |
| Argentina inflation rate | Reduced from 100% to 6% |
| Teacher pay increase suggested | 300%-400% increase to improve recruitment/retention |
Keywords and Core Concepts
- Maui local economy
- Restaurant industry labor shortages
- Housing affordability crisis
- Property tax increases
- Federal Reserve monetary policy
- False equity
- Supreme Court rulings on agency authority
- Government bureaucracy and inefficiency
- Social unrest and cognitive dissonance
- Traditional diet and health
- Education decentralization
- AI impact on employment
- Economic reform: Argentina, Texas models
- Media consumption shifts
- Community empowerment and entrepreneurship
Closing Remarks
The conversation between Jason Schwartz and Scott R Bushnell offers a panoramic view of current socio-economic challenges in Maui and the broader U.S. context. They highlight the urgent need for economic reforms grounded in local empowerment, reduced bureaucracy, and realistic assessments of housing and labor markets. Their dialogue underscores that awareness, education, and community support are crucial to navigating the complex transitions ahead, especially in the face of technological disruption and political polarization. The program invites ongoing dialogue and active participation to foster positive change in Maui’s future.
Transcript
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[Music] hello everyone I’m Jason Schwartz your host here at the neutral zone Maui neutral zone.com I am here with co-host Scott R Bush Nell we’re going to end out the year in conversation and uh transition out to 2025 from 2024 but all kinds of stuff in the air lots of changes and all for the best because you know what this is the neutral zone we like to know that we really all are one we look at things from different ways but we all have the same goal Right Out Boy Jason there you go again good job you know that to me
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is do you call me boy boy a boy that a boy Jason you all stayed on track there there you go how you Scott doing I’m good I’m good yeah it’s uh you know uh Island recover is still Island recovery you know the ripples through the community as I see from the ground restaurant owners more restaurants closing um still restaurant sharing employees sharing employees with restaurants yeah so one restaurant that has a good staff of employees will close one day so another restaurant can open where where is this Happ across ke or
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there yeah that I’m seeing that so let me just complete be I’m going to stop here CU I know we won’t forget where we are we’re also on akaku Maui Community media TV channel 55 right now if it’s Monday 11 A.M December 30th where you are otherwise we’re on tape and you can find us up at YouTube at dream Maui number one Maui neutral zone and you can put Scott’s name in YouTube my name and you’ll find stuff up there yeah back to where we were which you know you were talking about restaurant owners yeah are
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they do they own two restaurants they’re just friends some some are you know lifetime owners that you know chefs are hard to come by chefs are pulling high dollar if you have a restaurant that’s not just slapping together burritos or hamburgers and you need a good Chef because your restaurant is determined upon having somebody who cooks properly right yeah maybe I misspoke no me no God you know I I I’m seeing that I’m seeing that I’m hearing that I’m going like oh okay that makes
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sense you know because so many people have left the island I mean I they have record um uh what do you call it vacancies where I live where before covid you would have a two-year waiting list so yeah and when you say record vacancies let’s be clear clear I’m being clear right there are vacancies there desperately are people looking for houses but the rates and prices are through the sky they were through the sky before 8,000 FEA did their movie $8,000 of monthly income to qualify to live where I live in low-income housing
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I’m not 8,000 a month 8,000 a month that’s what it is today it wasn’t that when I moved in and you have to come down with a healthy deposit it yeah about six grand all said and done today today but see just when we moved in uh seven years ago it was a third of that and it was doable it was very doable you know six years ago and today um I I think you know it’s a complicated issue we have it’s funny when I listen to the local news and state news they talk about oh my goodness there’s going to be
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this giant Exodus of um illegal immigrants and I’m going okay and I’m hearing this number this large number on the news and then in the same breath few days later they’re talking about that almost that exact same number of people that need a place to live I’m going well okay we have our local population that needs a place to live we have this number of illegal immigrants who are living somewhere H and paying healthy rates yes so working so what’s going where’s labor force is that what’s up no I I think the
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concern is and I and I how do you move people in good what they don’t have money the people that you’re talking about moving in who’s paying for all this let’s let’s roll back a little bit okay as the immigration thing has changed yeah um and as apartment complexes everything has been in demand everybody knows the rules of supply in demand the demand was high preco it jacked rents way up because there was a demand and prices of ownership as well I’m just put yeah the whole thing together the demand has
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created this this this false economy and now here we are our local economy people that actually live here are love here and kind of grew up here are going like okay I not living with eight or nine people with part-time jobs to pay rent I just want to live here with my spouse and and do whatever and so we’ve been in competition or the the working folks in Maui have been in competition with multiple families sharing a one-bedroom apartment and um the laws that they put into place are not they’re not following
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them they haven’t for years the occupancy level if you a lot of these complexes the larger complexes say who’s living in the apartment it’s X Y and Z or living in the apartment and they’re not really following up when there’s like Auntie Uncle and I get that after the fire you know like where I live you can’t even have a guest overnight without registering bam there you don’t they do that kind of stuff no why a lot of them have it because of the concern that people need to be off the streets
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but we’re taking people from off the island out of the country and stuffing them into a very small space yeah all of you out there out of the country that’s Scott slant cuz you don’t have to be from out of the country right no why you think that it’s going that what’s going to happen now let’s just be real I remember when Tasha Kama was in a church and that church group was call before she was Council by the way she’s a very nice lady yeah she don’t agree on some
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stuff but always look and find out why and you realize that there’s conversation we don’t hear that decisions are made that we as public we’re twisted by all the way the media is visualizing and portraying things and I keep that’s why we’re here by the way that’s neutral zone was started for that purpose to have someone who’s talking but any I was talking about um Tasha was there talking about raids happening that employers were getting really upset because raids from the ice
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group checking about was uh depleting their employees so I can’t imagine now that we’re not going to find even in the restaurants they’re still alive that have employees right that a percentage of people are going to be um gone then the tenants that nly suddenly can’t pay and then there’s no one they’re going to pay those and then at some point and I think we’re at this turning point right now for like places where I live that we’re going to see that rents are going
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to have to go lower they’re absolutely going to have to as soon as the you know they’re going to see the vacancy motion they’re going to go okay we’re going to have to change something here because we we don’t have our units full anymore we’re not we’re we’re not I mean the people that run the hotels on the island they get this they know when the demand is low they bring their hotel rates down that’s a fluid thing you know you visit Maui in January and may because the rates are the lowest if you
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want family to come visit bam but we have our static population whose rents have never fluctuated because the economy has taken from the fire from Co has taken this giant hit and yet property tax taxes have gone boom so landlords are not having that that margin to say I need a lower rent but my property taxes are here my electrical costs are here my see why I decided I was going to reactivate my real estate absolutely there in every arena in real estate activity will be happening it will I don’t know where and what but I
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know that all that experience is do you know I was doing it in 1980 where are we now we’re old I’m old that was 50 years ago so I’ve been doing real estate that was commercial then so we are in a condition that is an unknown do you have anyn I don’t know any solutions except lower the rents will have to be lowered there’ll be change of ownership because some people won’t be able to do that no right and and this is not new no I I have I have I have family that bought a bought a lot on the beach you
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know and I’ve talked about this story forever in the 50s for like $500 built their own home did it all by hand and by the time they retired the rent was more than they were making full-time working for the city so it’s was like so but the the taxes were more than yeah so it’s like okay you build a home you spend your life there you raise all your kids there and now the taxes are more than you than you even paid for the so let’s ask me I’m asking you we have to grow the economy but we have to
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grow the economy but what are we doing to our local people are there ways for them to avoid a higher tax if you look at the the tax structure it’s way higher than I recall yeah and it’s also it favors people that live here but it’s still too high it’s still too high because the values have i d unbelievable in these last few years the there’s so much Equity now because the but it’s false Equity Jason it’s false Equity you know we talk about the gold stand false false and and now it’s not false lenders
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know that we’re not going to give you more than 50 and 65 at the max why wait wait why because what you just talk it’s so there’s the system knows how to protect itself and so we see the money is going back into the hands of the Richer so how do we on the air you say that to someone he’s so popular he’s selling houses left and right no it’s not true I’m not licensed yet it’s on its way come on a but she should know I’m on the air hi Ariel that’s not Ariel Oh I thought it
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was Ariel I thought you said that was a real estate agent she’ll find out after you go okay good anyway what’s really interesting is that um I can’t avoid luy we’re not going to talk you’re live on the air so I’m going to turn you off speak to you in an hour Aloha no that did it I just pull down hit Focus get there I am very much of understanding this real estate thing has hit me from everywhere it’s it’s real everyone I know is stressed either they’re an owner
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if they have rentals and I like the idea of taking Tak that Equity while it’s there and having people that have the equity buy some of these properties that then will be allowing their kids to come home but not if there’s no potential income this whole thing is a i the FED has created a false once we went off the gold standard we go back to Nixon we created this Federal Reserve in two or 1913 they have they gave them a money they gave them a printer that makes money yeah but when we go off this thing
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of where we are or like by example of getting our budgets right and everything with the the suffering rate is going to be is already yeah but it’s going up so we better love each other and help each other and you that have ought to look around and realize life is more than just collecting although here we are this is going to be unprecedented challenges here can get around that I don’t really know you know I go back this all the time that you can buy the best Su of clothes the best suit you can buy you
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can still buy with a gold a $20 gold piece from 19 or 1847 an 1847 gold piece will buy you an Armani suit shoes everything that same gold piece today we’ll still buy you we’ll buy you an Armani suit the value of things are falsely inflated so if not if everything isn’t Rising together then we have this dispar where we have this these illusionary gains this illusionary value but our whole system is based on that illusion this person is charging more for this same little 10cent thing because they want
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their piece and then this person wait I have to make money too by the time we get it it’s yeah God knows how much more and here in America we are a model Society for the greed and abuse Factor on both sides of any political aisles everybody the culture is set up that way so to fix it it’s nice to say fix it when you’re a m multi- trillionaire but that this Grassroots level at your place by example yeah but they have to lower those rates we got me in the middle somewhere yeah we have to be able to find out how
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to well the FED has 1847 gold piece and not the air who who has who has made great strides and growth with this Federal Reserve in the last 118 years what do great strides and growth you mean elimination of no what grew the most in our economy government government they are the animal oh yeah yeah if you really look at why we set up governments in small cities one the sheriff two firefighting and three the teachers and four people wanting to pass the buck if they can’t handle it let someone else pay for when you want to
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get housing used to be you had to have the materials and all the now you borrow from all kinds of ways that are programs that are standing debt that are just yeah you’re just you’re just pushing you’re pushing make believe Monopoly money around the table and that’s how it’s going to be painful we’ve got we’ got to reduce the bureaucracy yes we have 10% of the housing permits in Lina town have been applied for not even approved to start rebuilding we’ve re we’ve replaced two homes in Lina in a
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year and a half because of our bureaucracy and that brings me to a real key note we had a Supreme Court case this last year which was I want to say I can’t think of the case but the takeaway from that case is congress makes the laws Congress is the only one that are allowed to make laws and that has been since the Inception of our country okay not the president not an executive order not FEMA not the EPA not the Food and Drug Administration so no one’s monitoring these and these agencies everything they have done has
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been unconstitutional and the Supreme Court reaffirmed that unanimously last year and no one was paying attention you were I was how does it impact us now anything we can those decisions that decision that unanimous decision and I apologize I can’t bring up the statute you’ll have to come back I will have to come back so if that is correct then everything that any agency has done and said this is the law that is not the law law can only come from the state legislator and the federal legislator not from the
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president not from a governor unless the governor says I need a law I take it to the house it gets pass through the house it goes Senate and it comes gets they bypassed this they’ve created these three-letter bureaucracies well now I see that and I there’s the fact corre there there is why we’re paying like you say with you you do a little job on one person you got 13 reports to write yeah and uh it’s really AB SD the whole system is we know that and that’s what these two guys I
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just know that the paint to me that’s the biggest thing going on here that people don’t want to fix this it was created years ago when they started going over the border and letting them manufacture in Mexico Absolut that was like an issue that that was NAFTA remember that oh that was that bush debacle well it was before Bush no the first Bush I thought it was after Clinton was in the middle he was the middle so it was North American Federal Trade Agreement and the issue was but then it got abused and expanded globally
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and it got and it got glad-handed and we’ve lost industry horribly but now destroy how do we reel that back in how in a giant cut I see this is nobody wants to come back when there’s these many bureaucrats that have not been given given the power by the legisl so now the I heard a a thing yesterday talking about supply side economics Larry what’s his name with the economist Larry Summers summ and the reason I’m even bringing it up is because at the end of it Ariel said that was really
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great and I think to myself people that that are looking for things in some ways aren’t really aware that that great answer is actually by example that’s the Trump side of this last election but it also is something that is grounded in a firm reality of what we need to do as a country and maybe world the world’s already on different track and that’s why America is really in a stuff place because the world is moving to move away from the American economy which is crumbling in front of right and we’re
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watching the German economy fail we’re watching France we’re watching Italy we’re watching we’re watching China Teter we’re watching hor um we have built the government so large and so fat it just if you just think in your head okay I need to be able to pick up the phone and call 911 that’s what I want my tax dollars to go to I want the best teachers in the school I want those teachers to get the money I want when I have an accident Medics be able to dispatch toor my location I want
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them to be the best and the best paid but there are so many blers above all the licensing no but I got you yeah but those are the my only point my only point that I’m making is because I agree yes with what you’re talking about but that I can talk about a neutral zone but the pain inflicted the retrain I mean if they’re doing this other they also training people with some kind of skill set to go into computers and use things in a better way to then be able to make money and survive in this new world answer is
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no see I don’t think anybody’s paying attention to what they’re talking about this this vake and this Elon thing we’re talking about a three-year Severance where you you’re getting full pay for the next three years or more if you’re job because the government or they deem that you’re a redundancy that you you’re not just put on the street no no but that’s first of all that’s great to hear and I didn’t know that but did you know that I bet you might not probably did not know that
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because you know that the what do they say the devils in the details but also the angels in the details yeah when you make a deal like that’s nice to know and we still have these other issues that have to be addressed because those people are being forced back into the same absurd system and in three years yeah still don’t don’t have Solutions in mind we have a lot of talented people in the that are working for the government and government supply side economics I fully appreciate if I was an owner
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wouldn’t I do more if I knew I’d pay less taxes yeah I would so yeah we get that so no matter whether you’re left or right you can honestly agree with that but you also agree that the people that are quote suddenly out in the cold which they’re not going to be talk about for the next three years that’s great or longer even they they’ll beard it used to be darker I shaved yesterday I got some new shaving cream for Christmas so I thought I’d try it out by the way you on radio Don Scott is looking great
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Scott has done a a a movie with his personal health and life and you are looking great okay yeah I’m give me a short list what’s the reasons you know I listened to Bobby Canon I listen to Bobby Kennedy you know I was working on his campaign but it was just like okay we’ve been misled we’ve been misled they’re be feeding the American people all these complex manipulated foods and just going back and eating meat and no starches and nothing that is fabricated has just taken the weight
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away the only thing that I’m not eating that isn’t fabricate that is just grown is potatoes rice those kind of the starchy products everything else bacon eggs everything uh meat spam bam and my cholesterol is going lower so listen to Bobby Kennedy get back know that good cholesterol is needed to it works in the brain because the brain yeah and we’re wondering the lowfat DI diet Bobby Kennedy spoke to this I’ve listened to other uh health professionals talk about why Alzheimer’s is highest here in
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United States they convinced everybody to go on a lowfat diet your brain needs fat I didn’t know that so now and have you heard Bobby talk about you need Tallow Tallow was that thing that was evil the bacon grease or whatever you you or whatever grease from any meat product you strain it off I remember my grandmother always having a jar of it on the on the counter CU Anytime she’d cook anything they would strain it and then whatever and any baking or anything was done not with Crisco which is illegal in almost every
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country except for ours how Wild is that yeah and the and the corn starch products I mean they make they make corn into gasoline are there many people I was going to just say and then I answered my own question hey America wake up what the heck yeah you know Bobby Kennedy as health guy if he was able to make directives just listen to here’s a guy that can do pull-ups I can’t do pull-ups like oh my God the guy’s an animal he’s like why is that because he eats well you whatever anyone wants to say at
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something may his brain these people are just not being reasonable I am so thrilled that the health thing is a piece that Kennedy will be involved in and and in his health thing that has been the great sadly it’s been the greatest attack on the poor I just the mac and cheese the hamburger help the staple of here’s a story you’ll like okay there’s an owner and a tenant in real estate and the owner is up there in age and he has a tenant who’s 25 years younger and fit and trained and he’s
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always asking him for advice suddenly he goes away comes back and now he doesn’t want to hear the advice and he gets so upset on hearing that truth and seeing doesn’t want to see anymore yeah and doesn’t want to see anymore and gets violent America are we going to get violent because we krisco and Fredo no we’ve already gotten violent we’ve we’ve rioted it in streets for almost three years they burned buildings they destroyed and all the big cities they destroyed everything who’s they black
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lives matter and the in the name of black lives matter um antifa all left Right Center people I think that was just part of that stage control the media it it’s all performance we talked about as left right and Center when I never I you know when you say Bobby Kenny I think oh Liberal Liberal Liberal I don’t by the way you know who you’re talking to and then I hear something you talk so conservative economics and liberal social policy means we’re all mixed up in this beautiful play we’re being
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played do we consciously help each other without getting into this thing it just just make sure you’re watching something that pisses you off cognitive distance you were just talking about cognitive distance cognitive distance is and I teach this one I’m teaching over at mple C that’s where you believe something so solid in your mind that you believe that is the gospel truth and you will fight to your death for it if you have been watching enough beautiful pictures or pictures on television and stories that
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have convinced you so solidly that you what your beliefs are are right cognitive dissidence is that part of that cognitive behavioral isation weaponization that the Deep state has used to program you to believe things that if you really actually laid it out on the table you’re going oh that’s not good but you’re only seeing this so they’re programming it that’s why people are getting angry that’s why I see posts online from some of my friends that are the most loving kind people who repost
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some of this hateful stuff about Trump and about but they never attack the policy they’re always about some Vision they have and some belief they have which always concerns me I said we need to debate this topics but the people that want to debate are people who are angry and they wanted about de uh debate emotions and not about debating the price of bread they oh bread makes me feel good that’s that thing I brought up earlier absolutely you were on top of it yeah and again yeah I you already know
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I’m not a big Trump fan as the way the man is a lot of people are yeah but and I would have a hard time voting for him but I also know that policies that do the things we’re talking about make sense but how do you offset the the cognitive behavioral programming the problem especially in a world that is where it is right now we are at a a unique I don’t know what we’re going to do no I think we’re at a Wonder so we’re blessed because if we here want to help each other we can we
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we are we are we are one of the two states that can actually feed our population without one Alaska Alaska hey where do you want to be Alaska or Hawaii or the new state of Canada which would be the fourth most strong economy in the United States behind California Florida and Texas what you’re thinking you’re want to acquire oh I’m just being silly Jason I just I find that fun banter I am yeah be careful the people out there they are yeah who knows you know first of all I don’t know how long it’s been I like
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having other guests but whenever I have you here I feel we have a a special interesting we have fun Jason you know because I’m I’m not fixated on any particular topic I like to watch I like to watch Jason and I watch all the [Music] television I even watch that stuff that I go how can anybody think that’s true you know well I I wonder myself but I’ll tell you real clearly the reason that I’m continuing to do this show is not for me Joseph see everyone see there you go you wonder where my viewership is there he
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is right there on the phone they are calling me this is this is a call in this is not the number 808 873 3435 is the caller number and if you call in you can talk to us on the air but if you call on this number you’re going to get me doing what I’ve been doing which is why didn’t I shut that phone off um anyway um I really um and I ask you because I know you’re Compassionate Heart when we talk logically there’s no question when I feel like I’m walking in the pool Scott has been a great coach
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for those of you out there Scott is a great not only swimming coach but you like you say you sort of do the life the whole life thing yeah this guys package I I’ve been called a box of rocks but yeah you know how do we find you Scott uh loha swim lessons.com okay if you’ve never learned to swim yeah I’m your guy but also I found that people with health things and all kinds of stuff he just and when I was walking in the pool getting my my legs back I’m ready to walk outside the pool too I’m
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ready you still doing that yeah see this is really Superman he’s not really letting on let’s see how we’re doing this here let me pull up my mileage mileage it’s not as good though let me pull up my mileage here let’s see what I’m he’s going to tell us listen to this no I’ll even show you in this day and age we can track how many steps you’ve taken there we go this year yep I’m not breaking a thousand this year 915 virtually 16 and you have time you could hit a
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thousand I got one more day I’m I I didn’t walk this morning I had you’ve been doing three to fiveish kind of a day yeah yeah ish is some days you know if if I get like I have my headphones on and I and I I listen to mass in the morning and then I do the rosary and then I start listening to different uh podcasters and get political insights so yeah so I’ve got like that’s a if I can go for two hours two hours will get me back about six to eight miles but I can’t do that every day I’ve
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I’ve got to break it up so one day is one day is mile and a half the next day you know might be five or six but so one of these days I’m going to hope to join in there is no one of these days you put it in your calendar and we will we’ll do that that’s what I mean that’s how I mean it yeah yeah cuz I’m also I find that when I don’t schedule I have a hard time doing multitask but when I do I can do them all at the same time except I usually would block off when someone’s on the
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radio that’s that’s the one I was and I thought you know what I think that’s going to be the new standard I have to write down I have to find some way yeah of getting people to know we’re here yeah I’m surprised you know the videos some my some that I did um here went viral which was really cool yeah but it’s such a hit and miss I mean I’m because you had a client or a want to I want to say someone on that want wanted to use it as a tool not someone that thought they’re putting it in the media
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pool no no it was part of it was part of a bigger yeah bigger agenda yeah and so then it just went from this AG the these it was uh agency one to agency it wasn’t even an agency it was it was an activism group for firefighters and it just and it got passed through the firefighting Community across the country and we like to be that here and we I think by the things that we bring up we are our national conversation we’re not only local we speak about local things but we want to change I mean when you talk
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about what FEMA and EPA have done here and many people they’re the Champions they gave me a place to live I saw a guy driving a cart he had and he’s still homeless he’s from the fire how come he still say he’s homeless is he lying to me is he one of those 1500 people or 428 families that aren’t being served with all this money and all thrown around in so many hundreds of places empty and being paid for by Fe all this Jason there there’s a very easy answer here and I’m dealing with my older brother
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right now I’m helping him with the VA and with his veterans benefits and he is Case in point of people who get confused by paperwork and they get overwhelmed by the the momentous part of what it takes and I can honestly tell you working with the anger management component in the community which I do that there is a third that are have never dealt with the government do not understand multiple paperworks they do not understand that if you answer this yes it means no and if you answer this it means
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yes and that’s that layer of government that has got people who are in if you’re inside that Circle that bubble oh it’s so easy but if you’re somebody outside who has never interacted with that a state agency or government agency Jason that frightens the sh crap out of them and they’re frightened they’re angry and they just step back and go I don’t even want I would rather sit on the street than go deal with an agency that makes me nervous because I feel like I’m
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turning in when I turn in a form I feel like I’m handing it to Sister Lucinda and she’s going to make red marks all over it and hand it back to me that’s a little personal that’s one of my things but yeah sister Lucinda well I figured that but the con we know and I think that’s true but again I guess my you know you’re um I don’t think of myself as strictly religious or I’m spiritual by my I think by my nature but I don’t know what to do to help these people but it’s
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so frightening because even looking from the outside which I’ve been learning with my brother that I can see how he would get confused I can see how that would be overwhelming I’ve I had a friend who went through the bayroot bombing and I helped him and I testified in his behalf of what he was like to grow up with and what he was like when he came home from that and and he did not have he’s very very intelligent guy he’s we’ve been friends our entire lives but it’s like he didn’t have the
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capacity to articulate and to not look at something like you look at a question what happened how did you get disabled and you look at that question and most people go I feel fine I feel great you know that cognitive dissonance because you get up every morning and no matter how bad you feel you get up and you go to work and we all need a little cognitive distance because sometimes our body is telling us one thing and we’re saying I’m going to lay here and bed and have a cup of coffee when I get up in 2 hours
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instead of getting up and doing what I need to do we’re getting back to that but we have a lot of people in our country who I’m just fine and that’s not the right answer the right answer is how are you really and have the guts to say I feel confused I feel like no one’s listening to me and I think that was the outcome of this last election there’s a lot of people that were afraid to stand up they’re afraid to voice their opinions they were afraid to go I’m confused with the government I’m living
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in I’m confused by my property taxes I’m confused with this and they just turn it off and step away and I the lot of the homeless people that I have worked with that have come through the the uh the jail system that’s it there’s an incredible amount of people um living in Hawaii that do not read or write still a lot a very large component you take that limited ability and you put it to a form a 38 page FEMA form or even a form from All State or State Farm or any of the agencies if you had a family home
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that was insured that’s really confusing and when you try to do it orally and you you ask a question like name well it’s very difficult with people that aren’t used to being put in those kind no you’re exactly right they want you tell you the story and they get angry yeah if they don’t I think that like this guy I talk about drawing a gun and pointing it yeah why he’s so frustrated because you can’t handle that stuff yeah the rich or poor those situations are existing we saw it in the streets in New
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York where that CEO of that insurance company got killed and and they’re trying to make it into one thing or another but the reality is there’s people in pain that I I know personally I had the dis replace in my neck that because workman’s comp was going to pay for it that my insurance were is going to be pay for it and when my went to workman’s comp they said no your insurance has to pay for it and that took six years years years before I could have my spinal surgery to repair the discs in my
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neck that were broken when I was busted up well wow and you had a good result I had I had an accident I went to get treatment and no one would take it why because they don’t get paid right and and then I had someone that would do it and they everything was pre-checked it still didn’t work it’s just yeah the whole system is way crazy yeah it’s and and people are years six years before they thank God you got it it was a I was in and out in two days and I was I was on living on morphine and then there was
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nothing I was perfect there was no pain it’s like they pulled a dagger out of my neck it gave I had a migraine for almost eight years it was horrible and that gentleman that killed that guy was going through that same thing they’re going like oh you’re you’re imagining things your Pain’s imaginary and it’s like I I understand what the mindset he must have had dealing with the system and he took it to a horrible extreme horrible extreme but I understand and people who now are realizing and that’s and
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that’s a great deal of um our educational system right now we have such amazing teachers if you re if you took the Department of Education which has since its Inception has returned lower test scores for the entire time such was brought into place we took that chunk of change and we gave it to our teachers and our principles we could give them a 300 to 400% pay increase and they could afford to buy homes and they could afford to do these things well again I’m sure that some of that administrative for what they’re
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administrating money though I’m just saying there must be some discussion about it to see how to do it and like you said give people some time but if you don’t train those people and you give them two to three years pay and they’re now like what do they do we’re changing our world this is we’re we shifted it one way now we’re shift it’s a pendulum here you go the kids that are that go to school in this school in this school district we have a parental we have the the the parents board we have
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those things those things used to be what help guide the schools in the right direction another thing and this gets back to why states rights are so important our founding fathers when they envisioned the union of the states each state each City runs particular in its own particular way previous to about 50 years ago and I I remember I was uh I was doing research and I was working with senator ubb in Oregon when they were putting in the Oregon healthc care plan which was one of the first States
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after Hawaii that did a universal health care for people that um okay and I was working on the plan that was going to create a uh a savings a international or a city or a state savings account so you would have an account balance so you would actually be going what did I pay for why did I get charg this instead of going out to this imaginary world of insurance company people that we don’t talk their language so if we give the school system back to the peachers and the PTA and each individual area runs like
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it wants to run if it fails then it fails this big if it fails from the entire country it fails this big well you know it’s because I’ve been talking politics so long I remember when local school board issue was on the 30 years ago yeah we’re not talking about something that’s new no but but that they’ve then they pulled it that way and the money’s coming from else and now so do we have local controls again I we need to make sure we have accountability we want to give them more
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money but if you’re accountable to this imaginary giant agency in Washington DC I mean President Bush when he did that no kid Left Behind he Shackled teachers to teach the test and not teach a curriculum and that was a huge failure because what’s important to the kids in Maui is not important to the kids in New York City and what’s important to the kids in New York City yeah it’s something but it’s not the focal point for the kids here in Maui we need to go back to the model
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where we this is what we learned we want the Hawaiian language to be part of the inum and part of the culture of Hawaii we want that to be introduced in schools because of this giant flood down that is slowly creeping its way back in but they’ve had to fight tooth and nail for it it shouldn’t be that it shouldn’t be that way Jason let me ask you a question it’s totally off the wall but I’m just going to ask it anyway this wall yeah that one okay so now we’re getting rid of people in theory from my limited
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exposure AI is an extremely efficient tool so that some of that bureaucracy can be handled super efficiently and elim many of the jobs you’re speaking about so it’s it’s not cool thing Jason you brought up a great topic they wrote they created AI that reads legislation well you see what I’m saying here so there’s AI that can eliminate a whole strata of working that’s why I asked you about the retraining thing because we’re we’re generally speaking most these people in
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that level Jason of government have master’s degrees they’re not they’re not not they’re not shoveling streets or they’re not fixing potholes these are people with high degrees of advanced education that are doing nothing but shuffling things back and forth they’re not I would like to better I have to say it I because no I would like to know what maybe it’s more than just paper I mean I I’m really going to be finding it interesting what it’s like opening the books on what is what is the
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deal here mhm that’s going to be very interesting and exciting and for people to be eliminated for someone to say your job is redundant that’s a big statement and they going to do that on people already know no but I want us be able to see it so that and if everyone in this country and world that we’re talking about knows what’s going on or at least at least they’ll know hey it’s time for me to start training at something that is relevant in this new world I’m concerned that we’re not in other
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countries I don’t know but I can only assume especially when you see musk and vivec ramas Swami carving out foreign smart people they can stay no and that’s always been that way that’s not new that’s not new I know it’s not but you see that again you look at our education system we’re not preparing our people to be those jobs like when they’re going to AI you see a commercial on the internet all the time a guy sitting around the pool he’s an executive you know he says
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you know AI is coming on here and people are spending huge money to get the power to do it it would be nice if they have people trained to do it because all that stuff is huge it’s a huge thing online right now to to sign up to learn about all the different AI versions but the cool part if you what if there’s anything that you guys are listening today take apart from this look and see what Argentina has done wow that has been the most incredible turnaround they had a 100% inflation rate they are down to 6%
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inflation rate they came in with what we just saw with our last election with an absolute mandate about two years ago right now Argentina took their bond rating from a B minus back in the a group they have increased jobs in Argentina a lot of these people that were in government jobs when they did this creation they eliminated bureaucracy and now these very intelligent people are opening up their own businesses and doing it almost freely with without a lot of impingement so the economy in Argentina has exploded
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using this model I love hearing that yeah I love to hear it’s the only one out there and all of South America is looking at Argentina going like oh crap we’ve got to do this and this gets back to the state model States local governments used to run things separately and differently than the rest of the country so if something worked other cities are going what are they doing that works and they would go there and and and look and find out what they’re doing and see if they can repeat
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that here what they’re doing in Texas right now is creating the most job growth and the most growth in economics for all of the people of Texas than any other state and now other states now are going what’s Texas doing cuz we want our state to grow like that and that’s how it used to work it wasn’t so so let’s because we only have six minutes left which is a lot of time but I think we need to because you and I can do we’re so out there’ll be only we have eight seconds
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left we are coming upon a new regime and just a handful of days are the next month and I hope that everyone no matter who you voted for or didn’t vote vote for or none of that come in with an open mind but I hope you’re hearing what we’re saying start to get trained and no matter yeah you know when I’m watching older people that I don’t want to look at a computer I still use a flip phone they’re missing the world yeah you know this guy that with the that I talk about with the gun the person coming at him
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had a phone and videotaped him and the whole thing and he didn’t even know it yeah because he’s a dinos well this what is crazy here’s a simple statistic CNN ABC CBS average evening viewership for the news are all over the age of 70 that’s knockout that’s amazing to hear those numbers yeah so that that just lets you know right now that news is not being delivered to the majority of people by the old media and they’re and they they can’t they can’t survive because they
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have burnt every bridge with the Millennials Gen X do you know that here locally kooy radio group Visionary radio and was sold for $800,000 for eight stations now that’s less than a condo yeah so what’s the deal radio and selling it and reselling it is just another spot in a giant net we’ve created we’ve reached that what they did in this last stupid bill that they just passed which I’d love to kick Republicans across the room for because they went along with whatever the Democrats are in there there’s an agency
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the the there’s a national agency now that has permission because of that one caveat and that bill that they can monitor anybody’s uh internet use or whatever they’re doing online they can they’re definitely monitoring us um maybe you yeah probably me I agree that no I got you yeah there’s an agent he doing that now they they have been doing it surpr and this is I thought since the internet started pretty well is not why we always no we had the chance to stop that they passed that Patriots act after
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911 and they didn’t they did not extend the FCC talk about never wanted to extend any government agency they should have extended that to the Internet so you can’t have subliminal advertising on oh boy the internet what a subject we got a couple of minutes left you did it Scott oh we have fun fill up the time oh we got three minutes no this looks like two this one says three that one says two what glasses I’ll try a different set of glasses no no it doesn’t say wrong Jason we see
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we’re not a registered station that’s under too much monitoring we’ve 54 we got to like 56 so we got a coup you know you’ve been a great guest it’s happy New Year I was going to talk about ice cream today but you went off on a different oh you want to talk about ice we can it’s the end of the Year everyone we can’t eat the wrong kind of ice cream cuz that’s why Scott’s looking good yeah because he’s taking and using his mind to be able to eat the right things and
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it’s working and you’re staying exercising every day and um doesn’t matter how much it hurts you got to do it yeah well then you get to love it which is really a strange then then your whole frame work changes well I’m going to get this phone ready because in just minutes less she said oops think you’re most welcome she’s great but she didn’t realize we were on the air and here’s another one who thought something happening we good this has really been a fun time Scott
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um I have things in art that are going to be coming on here and people that are doing shows on the west side that are really Dynamic and what they want to do to see we didn’t talk about the fact that well I’m going into the real estate to be able to give money into things through my nonprofit to create programs to create jobs and all these things and create an internal economy and start by me throwing if you talk to anybody on island that owns a food truck they would really love to have a restaurant but the
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bureaucracy nobody aspires to own a food truck they aspired to have a food truck and then get a building and then have a restaurant so we need to make that dream possible and get out of their way make a dream Jason make a dream make a Dream well a lot of things can happen and we’re going to have more conversation if you have anything you want to talk about or people you think will represent some issue you want to be able to talk about and improve our world give a whistle Maui neutral zone.com
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Dream maui.com aloh House swim lessons you’ll find one of us yeah and when you find one of us you have hit the motherload because we are interested in you and we appreciate you coming and joining us Scott thank you it’s been fun Jason happy New Year happy New Year blessings to you yeah we’re going to hit the button now watch this WOW end of show thanks for joining us everyone it’s so
