Does End – Justify Means??? – DIS-Agree? Jason & Scott – 11 8 2025

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MAUI Neutral Zone – Jason & Scott – 11 8 2025 – DIS-Agree? Does End – Justify Means???
Jason Schwartz holds his moral high ground on NO: The Means does not Hold Water if it HURTS – Scott thinks otherwise… heated “Dis-cussion!”

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Well, good morning everyone. It’s Jason Schwartz here at the neutral zone with Scott R. Bushnell. Welcome to our show. >> Aloha. >> I’m taking these headphones off. You might look around here and say, “God, your place looks naked. What’s behind you?” Nothing. They’re doing some kind of remodel here. And just like anything, it’s sort of like in the middle of plastic surgery. >> Now, Jason, >> you can’t really >> be honest. Be honest with you. We’re

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broadcasting from the bunker. >> We’re in a bunker today. Gray walls. >> No, seriously. All the color that made this radio station um colorful has now been removed cuz they’ve got a new color in mind. We’ll find out. Um, we are just here for your listening pleasure and hopefully for your uh mind expansion. For that, I brought in Scott R. Bush now, our man on the street. You know, every time I bring you in, I think, “Oh, I haven’t had Scott in a while.” And then as I’m putting shows up on the web,

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you have a whole section. You >> Oh, I do. I, you know, well, well, well, you were out having all your body parts done and that, you know, I was there quite a bit. >> No, but even since then, when we’ve been on here, we’ve be gone. >> Time’s flying. >> I know that. >> Time is just ripping by. >> Well, at least Rudy Giuliani was pardoned. >> I I don’t I don’t even You don’t want to talk about that stuff. >> No, I That’s just

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>> Isn’t it getting old? that’s neither here nor there. >> It’s um I have to mention it only so that I can kind of put it at rest for another week. >> I’m sick of Donald Trump. I’m sick of the people that are hurting that uh I just One of them is me, by the way. I just don’t really like it. I can’t be told on screen, well, the prices are going down except for beef because we haven’t struck our deal, right? >> Isn’t that funny how as soon as they

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lower gas prices here in Hawaii, they add a tax >> and we’re back up higher than before. >> Right. Where everywhere else in the country is back to $2.35 a gallon. >> I don’t >> except for California. They keep raising taxes on their fuel, too. >> Yeah. I have friends uh one of my sons lives in uh oh crap New Orle not New Orleans uh Baton Rouge, Louisiana. He was all excited. He got premium the other day for 235. >> Yeah, gas is cheap. >> Yeah, but it was 4 It was 4.85 just like

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8 months ago. >> Well, I can’t imagine that the only reason that our prices here are higher because the state put a tax on. It’s all the rest that gets it here and all the other seems everyone, you know, I mean, I guess that’s just what it is. >> Yeah. >> When I see gas at Costco go up, I’m like, holy. >> Yeah. Well, I, you know, Mali Oil, who I absolutely am a big fan of. I have been for over 10 years. I mean, I’m still getting premium for $3.49. So, and I

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only burn premium. >> Maui oil is 3.49. 49 >> for premium. Yeah, I you it’s a member it’s you you go in, you open an account, they automatically deduct it out of your bank account every month and it’s it’s a it’s like a cooperative. It’s wonderful. >> No, I remember I had them, but that didn’t let me use my credit. It only uses cash. >> Well, no, you they just take it out of your account every month. >> Well, >> from your checking account. Yeah. But

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not not every time you use it, but >> No, but I meance, right? But to me, that’s still cash. >> Yeah. >> Cuz um you know, when I don’t have money, I don’t like them taking things out of my account. Anyway, >> okay. >> 349 >> and on the street it’s >> at Costco it’s >> for premium. >> At Costco it’s 410 >> for premium I think. Well, I’m going to go to Costco after I’m done here. I got to get a few things. But

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>> then after you drive me home cuz my >> Oh, yeah. I got to drive Jason home. That’s true. my car. Yeah, it’s true. Thank you. >> That is a frustrating thing. >> We need to find an electrical engineer who knows how to fix a car that has been living on prayers from Jesus. Couple of times the mechanic said to me, “You must have been praying.” >> I said, “What?” He said, “There’s this car just keeps going.” Well, it’s not

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going now. >> It’s not going now. When you run out of toes with Triple A, you know that >> Yeah, they they they they told me to go take a hike. >> So, how you been doing? I haven’t, >> you know, I’ve I’m just, you know, I I’ve been working out a a theory and I’ve been studying on a theory. Well, you you know I teach behavioral behavioral management which is behavioral science which is the understanding of how the human body and the human brain which is

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neuroplasticity. Um if you wanted to get a really strong arm, Jason, what would you do if you wanted to get really strong >> repetitions? >> Yeah, you would you would you would you’d lift weights. You get stronger and get stronger and get stronger. Um the brain works the same way. And what they know now, neuroscientists know now, they’ve known for a long, long time. But we have a new drug on the street. We really do. We have a new drug on the street and and all of us carry it.

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>> Oh, and we don’t realize that this neuroplasticity and this endorphine effect can be manipulated. So, let’s say you like watching um ice hockey. I watch ice >> ice hockey. >> Ice Let’s just throw ice hockey out there. Just random thing. Okay. And that makes you feel good because you watch ice hockey and it stimulates part of your brain or you watch a little uh little snap video of a ice hockey play that was really exciting. it it shoots this part of your brain where you have

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neural receptors and you have serotonin and you have this plasticity release between the two and that makes you feel good. Okay? So you enjoy watching it more and they’ve learned and we’ve talked about this before not in this detail that let’s say um I like something that the current president is doing. Okay. So I start watching that and now I get other things pop up that are on that same muscle known exercising muscle which is that muscle in the brain which is a pathway. It’s a freeway that you follow in your

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brain and those neuroplastic response from the serotonin to the release trigger an effect that gives you pleasure. It may not it’s not like real pleasure but it’s a micro pleasures that happen in the brain. So the more you watch something that you agree with, the more your brain develops a super highway that believes this is the great way. So no matter what your pleasure is, um let’s say you are an advid advoc super person that believes in green energy and all the wonderful things that are really

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positive things. So you get to watch that and it gives you a satisfaction when you watch something that is already on that superighway in your brain that gives you satisfaction. Here we are now. Our political parties have been turned into tribes. And the how they’ve been turned into tribes is we have people that are presenting opinions, news, broadcasts, podcasts that know that if they trigger those neuroplastic responses in your brain for something that you agree with, that feels good. And they keep pounding that and pounding

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that. Now you’re getting this super muscle in your brain because you like what those people are saying and you’re hearing it from here, here, and here maybe across social media and whatever. So that becomes a neural response that gives you a feeling that’s like it’s not like real pleasure, but it’s micro pleasures. Now all of a sudden we have also we have another somebody over here that has a different opinion or they don’t like what somebody’s doing and that same response is so you your phone

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it’s like really weird. The other day Andrew and I were talking like we need to get a cookie sheet for our little ninja oven um so we can do Christmas cookies on it. It’s 12 x 12 odd usual thing. Next thing it shows up on my frigin phone and it says cookie sheets and I’m like I’ve never I didn’t Google it. Nothing. >> So what is it? They’re listening to you and putting it in. Well, that that’s that’s a side story, but it it but they are they have the ability

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>> through social media, through mass media, through news broadcasting, and they’ve had it for 40, 50 years, but it’s becoming so good that they have convinced people that maybe Donald Trump is bad or Joe Biden is good or and now Bill Gates all of a sudden says, “Well, yeah, we don’t have global warming. I guess I was wrong.” And I’m like, they have the ability to micro turn our brain. They say, “Oh, you got a chip in your brain. Our brain is much more fantastic than any computer

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could be.” But they’ve realized this neuro this ner this wall between serotonin release in the brain, it can be triggered and it’s a pleasurable thing. And it’s like, okay, even if you’re watching a story that says this president’s been just a blah blah blah blah blah, and it’s a horrible story and it’s just horrible news you’re hearing, but it also triggers something you agree with. So there again, we have this brain thing that’s being triggered and they’ve

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learned that and the CIA used to use it in small third world countries and stuff back in the ‘ 50s, ’60s, ‘7s. And now people who are making money on the internet in mass media know that they have that link. If they repeat something enough times and that that highway in your brain gets triggered and triggered and triggered, it gets comfortable. It gets strong and it doesn’t want to look outside the lanes. It just it kind of puts blinders on. Okay, here I’ve got this this this vision and it’s being

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locked in because anything outside of that is really uncomfortable. >> I I think that that’s totally real. Great. >> Yeah. I I sent you I sent you a short 15minute video on it. That’s really >> short and 15 minutes. And you sent it today. >> No, I sent it yesterday. I said this is what I want to talk about. >> Oh, you see, you have to imagine I was kneede in >> Yeah, you were kneede in car repairs yesterday. But yeah, I mean it’s >> until late last night. So what did that

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So that’s what that was about. Huh. >> Yeah. Um >> my concern with with anything that’s talking like that is that we’re I don’t know if the word is diluting it is like we explain away atrocities that are going on >> we have for millennia. Yeah. >> So >> now let let’s let’s back this up Jason. Okay. What I do, what I do over here at MCC, what I do in the evening in my classes are many times people grow up or they are in a let’s say that highway

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again. We got our blinders >> and this is how you’re supposed to treat your kids. You can slap them. You can do whatever. And that just is that’s that that highway because grandpa did it, your dad did it, all of this. So it’s all locked into that highway and that was a natural process because you had it through your anidum, your family, your auntie, your uncles. That’s the way your family solved problems. They kind of boxed it out which is no longer acceptable. But those same neuropathways that we

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have been using since caveman times now are being used to create tribalism between I like Tide soap or I want to use Downey. You know the the commercial companies who sold soap have been doing this forever to us. I mean you flick on 70s commercials and half of us can just kind of recite them. The stuff we watched when we were kids, you know. Yeah. O SA R I’m Yinier whatever Oscar >> to be an Oscar >> Meer weiner that’s yeah so yeah they they programmed us just and those commercials

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>> choices fewer choices >> means more repetitions >> right now it is so diverse >> but it’s not >> but it’s not they they they are coring people’s neuroplast I’m thinking but it’s not for those that have control of all the buttons. >> Well, >> what about us that >> there are now see there there’s one group that’s got buttons over here and there’s a group that’s got buttons over here and there’s a group that’s got

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buttons over here. So, if you have that ability to present something and then you reinforce it, it’s just like, okay, we’re in a war. Okay, I need to bring I need to bring somebody over here kind of saying what I’m saying. this person’s going to say kind of what I said. This person here, oh, I’m going to bring in this expert from across the country who’s going to say something that reinforces that. It works that brain barrier where you’re getting that uh that that effect that it

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makes you feel good. Even if it’s something negative, why do people all if you look on the internet, people will click on things that are tragic, horrible, and more than they will trick click on a story about, you know, a 5-year-old boy who learned to play Beethoven’s fifth, you know. >> Yeah. The coaching I get is the headline and the picture. Uh it’s good to keep them within the same theme, but >> more than half of the job is getting them to where you’re going. So >> no matter what you say, it’s the

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destination counts. >> So what happens? >> That’s that’s that old thing about what’s more important, integrity or result. You know, it’s like wait a minute, >> integrity. So >> where’s that? So what’s happening? >> What’s happened now? So if you find like like a Joe Rogan or uh like Charlie Kirk, millions and millions of followers around the world, um you know, his story wasn’t one of comfort. It was one of challenge and it it resonated with people and

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people from all different walks of life. you know, he was a Christian dude and the Catholics kind of agreed with him and the Jewish people and so he was he was resonating with all these groups and so his his his message got larger and got huge inter worldwide thing and that got dangerous. That got really dangerous because it the people pushing the buttons, they weren’t pushing the buttons for his message and that makes someone dangerous when they couldn’t control Martin Luther King’s message and it was so powerful

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and so straightforward they had to get rid of him. Bobby Kennedy, his message when he was running for president as attorney general, his message was so profound. He had the Democratic party. He had it going straight forward. But he was too dangerous. They couldn’t control him. The people pushing the buttons. >> I’m listening. But I I don’t know what that does. You know that >> you just need to be the thing about trickle down. >> Well, no. That that’s that’s econom

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trickle down in those theories. No. >> Well, no. That that’s that’s just we know the trick >> draconian draconian economics. wondering whether these principles >> I believe they’re obviously valid >> and can be acknowledged but >> how do we change it? >> There’s well we have we have a secretary of the treasury right now um I can’t think of his name I my brain is on hold um wonderful man he um he’s outside of that well he he’s the highest ranking

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openly gay man ever um elect or ever ever put into office by a US president. I god I can’t think of his handsome fellow >> uh shoot >> Scott Bessie. >> Yeah, Scott. Yeah. So their theory they’re not their theories but they’re they’re not using that old United Kingdom kind of draconian principles. They’re really getting away from the UK. The UK has basically controlled all of the currency of the world for the last hundred years. And that’s just straight up. You can’t argue

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with that. >> When you say the UK, >> United >> based on what? The pound. >> No, I’m talking about the big powerful people behind the scene pushing the buttons. >> You’re not talking about that kind of control. You’re talking about >> I’m talking about >> mind. They’re talking about the people who have more money than God that control that’s supposed to be quiet more than anyone else on the planet. And they’re they’re they’re manipulating

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things. They’re they’re they’re creating wars so that we spend billions and trillions of dollars making weapons so that their companies can make money. And it’s been going on for for so long. It’s so sad. you know, >> but to me that it sounds like when I hear you talking about this, I I appreciate these are um what’s the word? They’re not esoteric, but they’re lofty, thoughtful ideas. There is >> we’re having problems on such a base level. And I keep asking about how do we

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make the change and you really don’t have any. Well, I I believe one I believe we’re on the right track because up until, you know, eight decades ago, our tariffs paid all of our taxes and we didn’t pay taxes. >> Oh, you you mean the policies on the right track? >> I think the policies are on the right track. >> What about the fact that I just going to pick on it? If people aren’t eating, you don’t get 300. >> Jason, we have more people dying from obesity in this country than starvation

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into the White House. Turning you’re turning into a ball. >> Oh, Jason. See, there you go. You >> I have to I have to We’re not paying for it. >> You’re there and you’re doing the >> We paid for the basketball court. We paid for the bowling alley. >> No. It’s like you’re going to get your friends to put a ballroom in and three years you’re gone. Yeah. Yeah. What’d you do that for? >> How many times is that? >> Why did you break

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>> 27 presidents have augmented the White House throughout history? >> 27. Why this one? Why are you picking on this one? >> Well, because I don’t like this one. >> Because you don’t like this one. Because your neuropathways have been hijacked. You’ve been hijacked, Jason. >> Let’s get my friend. >> You’ve been hijacked. >> Give me money to You’ve been hijacked. >> It won’t be built. >> You’ve been hijacked, Jason. This is

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what I’m talking about. Your brain is on one freeway and you can’t get off. You have you have no exits. You don’t want to get off. >> You don’t want to see and that’s the problem. >> No, but I want to get down to See, >> we have more people dying from diabetes, obesity, than from starvation. >> Who has his friends put up 300 million for a ballroom that might be done by the time he’s done? Unless he finds another way to try to extend his >> JFK put a swimming pool in the basement.

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>> I’m not talking about JFK. >> Well, you’re you’re apples and oranges. You just don’t like him. Just >> I don’t like the fact that >> you just don’t like him. >> No, Jason. You just don’t like him. Your mind is cluttered. >> No. I’m sorry. >> No. Your neuroplasticity has been so cemented you can’t see. >> People have no food. >> Have you met him, Jason? spent 300 million. Please, I’m just going to tell

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you, I know people that have been doing business with him years ago that weren’t paid that watch the pattern of this guy. Well, let me ask you, you know, it’s like I could go into Donald Trump and keep talking about bad things and you just want to defend him. >> I don’t want to defend him, Jason. I just want you to I just want you to look at policy. What’s so Who cares who’s driving the bus, Jason? As long as we’re going the right way. >> Joe, we’re not going the right way.

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>> We are going the right way. >> Well, here we go. How is that? >> How’s that? We’re finally after 80 years, some of these tariffs are being revisited that have been screwing us over. >> Why? Why is it that we can’t play in a global world? >> We are finally playing. We’re not just taking it. We’re not just bending over and taking it from every country in the world. Why are we feeding everyone in the world when we’re not feeding our people right

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here? We need to feed our people right here. And that’s how we do it. We faking get these tariffs under a line and there we go. >> What an incredible way to do it. >> Don’t you feel a little bit ashamed that you yelled on >> We get more We get more views. We get more views. >> That’s right. No. No. I think it’s the what I don’t like is that people people aren’t getting money for food, >> Jason. People are dying from obesity and diabetes. We have more people dying from

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overweight than we have dying from starvation. >> But what about all these people that aren’t getting their food? >> They got them today. >> Yeah. Well, and then they’re telling me we want the money back. I mean, I really am sorry. Sorry. I don’t know about that. I don’t know. But I I I get emails on it cuz I’m part of the I work for the part of the state so I get those internals. >> No, but I love that you got so angry. That was great. >> That wasn’t anger. That’s acting.

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>> Well, that was great acting. >> Fun. >> But >> cuz I watched your face turn red, and I’m sure mine did, too. No, but my face, whatever color it’s turning, when I have people around me that are freaked out because they don’t have money for food, >> and you can tell me, well, >> and they have money for cigarettes and they have money for cigarettes. You know what really bothers me? Okay, let’s let’s back this up a little bit. Let’s let’s back up. Let’s back up to EBT.

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>> Let’s back up to EBT. I’m watching people check out at Walmart and I’ve watched this over the years and I’ll walk out behind them and they they bought maybe $200 worth of groceries with their EBT card and they get in a $50,000 Toyota pickup. How does that work? >> Well, why is that what we’re talking about? We’re not >> Well, people are scamming the system. I think >> people are scamming the system everywhere. Every system. >> Oh, no question. Hey, we agree on that

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one. What about the people that need food? What about the people that need healthcare? What about these things that are being slaughtered because we want to get our bottom line right? Excuse my French. I can’t say it in French. Screw the bottom line. >> We have been We have been for 100 years. Ever since we went off the gold standard, we always go back to Dick Nixon taking us off the gold standard. >> Came down to am I my brother’s keeper? >> Are you? >> Yes. >> What if your brother is an addict?

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>> No, I’m not talking about that. My brother is >> What if your brother is scamming the system? >> Someone is hurting and I am seeing them hurting >> and I’m not doing anything about it because they did it to themselves. I love that line. That’s great. They did it to themselves. Wait, >> how are people Why do I see people >> How do people I I I I I the homeless problem is an absolute tragedy here. I know they’re building a zillion places there in Kihei. But I always watch when

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I walk by the homeless folks um when they’re like camped out in the least beach area. They always have a couple cases of beer on ice and cigarettes. couple of cases of beer >> and cigarettes. Who can afford a $20 pack of cigarettes a day and not have food? >> Why are you talking about people that are getting beer and cigarettes when I’m talking about people that need food? >> They do, but they they’re the same people you’re talking about. >> Arguments like Trump and and that

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>> Well, I He’s not my favorite guy. You know that. >> No. Well, but you confuse me when you >> No, I’m talking policies. >> Well, okay. I can’t see a policy. >> See, you can’t get You can’t separate the bus driver from the bus. The bus is going where I think we need to go. I don’t know the bus driver. I don’t know him personally, but I know by the the map that he’s putting out that he’s going where I want to go. I don’t care who he sleeps with. I don’t

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care what what he does. That’s not my business. As long as we’re going in the right direction. >> I have >> Why are we Why were Why were we so worried about president sleeping around? Why were why Monick Lewinski wing all that? >> Fix the problem the way that we’re >> Look, Jason, just look at it differently. Look at all the wonderful things we’re doing right now in the world. >> Name one. >> Name one. >> Yeah. We have stopped four wars. No

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president in history has ever negotiated the end of four wars. >> Oh yeah. >> Not even one. >> Where’s the end of war? >> Now we’ve got the one in Nigeria. We’ve lost 200,000 Christians in Nigeria in the last 5 years and no one’s talking about it. >> Okay. Well, before we go to >> let’s go to Cambodia. >> Christians in Cambodia. >> Cambodia. What about Ukraine? What about God? You think those are stopped? They’re we’re on the right track. Well,

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you’re never going to stop the wars in the Middle East. Those people like to fight >> cuz we have a pause. Thank God. >> He goes, “We’re going to stop it. We’re going to meet Trump. I’m going to walk out on the ice in Alaska and then things are going to be solved.” >> Cuz we’re talking for Christ’s sake. We’re not arguing. We’re actually having conversations. >> What’s good is it >> somehow if you keep talking, you’re

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going to figure stuff out. You don’t stand there and go my way or the highway. That sounds like my dad. >> You at least meet and talk about it. >> See the principles. Have we been able to >> You need to do a commercial break. >> Well, I do. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Hey, we’re on KU 88.5 FM. Although this doesn’t look like it. We’re also on Maui stream. You can find them on your phone, but you can go up to mauyneutralzone.com and see the transcript of this show, a

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summary of this show, show me of all our shows. Oh yeah, >> you can bring up subjects like affordable housing and see that we’ve talked about it on eight scrillion shows over 30 years and then we can look and see, have we progressed? The fact is we haven’t progressed. I I love when you’re talking about how we’re going down the right road. >> There are A lots of roads, Jason. There’s many many roads. There’s many many roads. >> I’m talking about that basic road.

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>> Okay. The road. Let’s Let’s talk about Let’s take Let’s talk about my roads. Let’s talk about my roads. >> You can’t feed people. You deal with that. Yeah. >> And you don’t worry about building a ballroom for the so the next president’s can have a thousand. >> Jason, if you look if you look at the charts, we have less people now starving in this country than ever in history. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, >> we’re making progress, right?

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>> Well, how are we going to feed them? >> How is it when you look at videos from the 50s and 60s and 70s, there’s not one overweight person. We’ve we’ve totally screwed up our food supply. We have people taking pills for absolutely everything. The only country in the world, and we have the shortest lifespan, and we’re supposed to be the healthiest, but we’re eating the crap food that they’re putting out there for us. >> We’re at the bottom of every barrel.

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Yeah. >> All these programs that the world has accepted, >> global warming. Oh, no. >> Bill Gates just denied it. >> I don’t give a damn about >> Bill Gates finally said I was wrong the other day. I was shocked. >> I don’t care about Bill Gates that said it was wrong. >> But he was funding everything that was saying it was. >> Have you ever gone out on a Maui road and looked up and said, “How come all I see is ki trees? Everything else is

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dead. What’s going on here? You don’t like hi? >> What? >> It makes delicious food when you smoke it when you’re cooking. >> You see so you really like to just jive me in. You just stick it in. >> Water problem. We’ve had this problem. How did How did we >> I spoke to 20 years old. >> What is this the question he’s ask? How did we water these billion acres of sugar cane for 150 years, which took mass quantities? Where’d that all go? We still have the same population as we

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did when the sugar cane left. >> Well, I’m listening to you, but what does that have to do with the >> Where did all that water go? Where did all that water go? >> Well, that’s gone. We’re talking about now. >> Well, Jason, it replenishes. We We sit on an island which is made of lava which naturally filters water. So if you go down, if you were ever stranded on a desert island and it’s volcanic island, you go inland about 600 yards or even less, dig down 15 ft and the ocean water

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will dissalinate and you can drink it. This in case you ever get stuck on a desert island. >> Is this a desert island, isn’t it? >> It is a desert island, right? >> Yeah, it’s a lava island. So the lava that’s sitting under our island right now, which will someday dissolve and like all the other island chain that’s underwater now, and it it’s it dissalinates the water and it purifies it. >> And that’s what we’ve been using to feed all the crops up on the hills for 100

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years. Well, >> why why all what are we doing with all those fact that when the saline level and the um and the fresh water when they start >> it wasn’t fresh when it started. It was ocean water. It was just sitting there in the ocean. >> I’m just saying we are we are close to having not enough fresh water. Right. >> Well, we’ve been mismanaging the water. Thank you. No, but >> when I go on my walks in the morning and they’re spraying sprinklers into the

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ocean, >> I don’t think >> we need to go walk together again. There is just so many people. They just they used to keep an eye on that and let people know, hey, your sprinklers are going this way. But I mean, >> yeah. And the people down >> and don’t think it’s and we have an antiquated car. We have an anequated we have an anequated we have an antiquated delivery system. And when big pipes break underground anywhere in Hawaii, which has not changed in a 100 years, that

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water doesn’t come out of the ground. It just goes right through our nice lava base, and we don’t even know we have a broken line. They’re they’ve got South Kihei Road totally torn up. They’re trying to fix and and actually put this huge iron bar, iron beams alongside our water line there because that that whole area is just liquefaction basically. It’s just floating sand cuz you know it’s just all the sediment that’s come off Aliaquala and has gone with the wind

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towards Kihei and that whole area is just kind of float sand >> and so the water pipes are breaking and we don’t even know we’re losing millions of gallons a week >> and that in Lahina they’re actually replacing all they’ve replaced those in Lahina that was something I was so impressed with Mayor Bisson and they really got behind you know replacing all those bad water lines some of those water lines These were 100 years old and I can’t believe they still work. But

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there’s a lot of that that green flow lava over in Lahina and when you lay pipe on that that doesn’t flex. So it stays for years and years. That’s what they found out in Kihei when they started putting in the new water lines is we have that the a green flow rock lava that is like you know you need dynamite to make a dent in it. And they just, you know, they thought they were just gonna bar burrow through and they started hitting those old lava flows that they just had to get in there and it took them like two

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months to get through one spot cuz that is so and they can’t since it’s in residential, they can’t just drill it and blow it up like they used to when there was nothing there. Um, so yeah, you know, there we have a lot of leaky water lines around and it’s not the fault of our water commission or anything. It’s we live on a on a float. We we’re in sand and water and everything around here it has kind of a wave effect and when you try to put a pipe in. >> So let’s now stop talking about water

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pipes. >> Okay, >> let’s talk about the fact that people don’t have food and people that are celebrating and spending millions to build a ballroom. >> Okay, those that’s that’s their business. That’s not my business. No, I’m >> Are you worried? Are you talking about those people that live up the street? >> I’m talking about if there are people that have billions of dollars and there are millions. >> Do you think those people those people’s

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billions of dollars are employing people? They’re not sitting in a bank account. Nobody in their right mind would have a billion dollars in a bank account. >> Billion dollars can make you a billion dollars. You can’t just let it sit in the bank. You got to get businesses and employ people and make things happen. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, employ people, make them happen, and feed people. >> Yeah. >> So, I’m just concerned. >> We We have We have invited 40 million

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people. If you do the math, you put 40 million people buying low value homes in America over the last 35 years. you’re going to drive the prices up and you’re going to destroy the availability. So now no one can afford a low dollar entry home because they’ve been swallowed by 40 million new people at the bottom of the food chain. Just do the math on that one. >> So what’s the point? >> We we finally slowing our influx. We I think we should be a country of immigrants where you go and you fill out

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a form and they do a background check and they let you in. I this whole open border thing. Did Okay. Remember when we talked about Venezuelan drug gangs coming to Hawaii? Did you see that arrest? >> Yeah. >> Venezuelan drug dealers and Kawaii >> and >> ICE took them out. >> And >> there’s more. >> Okay. >> Okay. We need to know who’s here >> if they’re if they’re bad people. >> And we’re not talking about gangs. We’re

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talking about the mafia. >> Well, again, I my only concern is >> gangs is where they start. Mafia is where they go to when they get higher up the food chain. >> Okay. They came in and bought beautiful homes and stuff and took over the drug market just like I said 4 months ago right here and now ICE is taking them out >> and >> removing them from our islands >> and >> good things are happening. Well, they’re taking >> our local drug dealers who have been

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here for 100 years >> and harassing the out of them and they’re >> Jason, you’re losing you’re losing sight. >> Do you know have you been around gangs? I did in I did I did six months of gang intervention are a problem. I did six months working gang intervention in a juvenile unit where all the girls in my group had committed murder and not one of them were his citizens because the MS13 people would bring these kids in to do their murders for people they didn’t want. Jason, I

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would go home sick. >> This here in Maui, right? >> No, this was in New Mexico, but I did six months. I was working at a subaccute treatment facility and these kids had been so horribly abused by the MS-13 drug lords that were coming across the border. Those are the same people who were dealing with now on island. They’re the I can’t think of the name of that Venezuelan group. Those pe there are some bad bad people. My my my my my daughter’s step >> brother died from a fentanyl overdose.

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Fentanyl is everywhere. We’re finally just [ __ ] it. Excuse me. Be if you if you’re going to bring drugs into our country, just blow them up. I don’t care. You’re killing our citizens. I have been in downtown cities and just watch fentanyl people just with their chins dragging looking like zombies walking. It’s California, San Francisco. It is It makes you sick. I mean, the warf in San Francisco is the most fun place to go. And almost all those businesses are gone now. It’s a It’s all

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It’s all vacant. Fentanyl. Again, when we’re talking about this, I go back to that thing about you don’t put up a ballroom with your friends money. >> Do you get rid of buses because somebody stepped in front of one? >> People not even >> Jason. Jason, you’re getting back to your prejudice. We get that. >> That is a prejudice. >> It is. That’s your prejudice, >> Jason. We more pe we are putting more money into the SNAP program now than ever in history.

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>> Yeah. Okay. Why? >> Why? >> Because >> we have 40 million people at the low. We have 40 million people >> to fewer and fewer hands. >> We have 40 million undocumented people who are living at the bottom of the food chain that need to eat. And I get that. Now, you said just here 40 million undocumented people who have come to the bottom of the food chain. Put them there and now they’re >> they’re buying homes. They’re established. >> Well, let’s I’m not talking about that.

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I’m talking about the fact there are millions and millions and millions of other people. They’re Americans 100%, >> okay, >> that need food that are at the bottom of the food chain. >> Okay. Have they learned how to work the system yet? >> People that have the money that you’re defending, they’re not even us, Scott. >> We are. >> No, I mean, you know that. >> That was pretty profound. >> No, but it’s very profound. Why are you protecting them?

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>> I’m not. I’m just saying they’re there. Where is this system getting better and everything is going to get right when >> we’re talking about we’re talking about a giant ship making a onederee turn in the ocean. It’s not going to get there tomorrow. It’s like the US economy. I remember when I was in economics in college and I had Dr. Hitzelberger and he would explain that he would beg a big picture of a giant ship on the board and he would say if you make all these

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policy changes that ship will barely turn. It’s it’s the gi our economy is so massive just so massive it’s going to make micro turns. But >> I think what’s happening with me is >> you’re angry. >> Well I’m I’m angry because >> your car is broken. >> No, it’s not that. I would be I would be >> I’m angry because we explain away uh bad behavior with >> Have you ever had Have you ever done anything bad in your in your life that

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you wouldn’t want to talk about? >> I don’t know what your point is. I don’t know. >> I’m talk You just try to jab me. You want to see my poke see what’s going to happen. I’ve got things I would rather not talk about. Yeah. I had a business once and it when the economy crashed in 2008, I had debts out there. I had remodeled three or four businesses in New Mexico and I didn’t get paid. And so there was just no way out. I had to file bankruptcy. And luckily all the people that I had got

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paid, but about four businesses that went under during the housing crash in 2008 took me down with them. >> I feel bad that at one point I owed Home Depot $50,000 for, you know, materials. Yeah, it was horrible. >> No, you don’t have to talk about on this show. You don’t have to talk about anything. I’m like, >> no, but I’m saying everybody has things in their past. millions of people not having food and standing there and righteously saying you’re moving the country in a

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right direction while you give $40 billion in maybe it’s not cash but when you give military aid in different places and then you say >> first time in history we’ve cut military aid to other countries what other president can say they’ve done that >> but you’ve also hurt many many people in doing that. >> Well, now listen, I just ask you you ask a question. >> Yeah. >> You ask a question. We’re giving all this money in military aid to other countries and in the first time in

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history, we have a president that has cut that aid >> drastically. When you talk you talk generalities, >> no, you just you just you ask a general question. >> Okay. You give 40 billion to Argentina where that 40 billion could have kept the people eating. >> Oh, absolutely. You could you could do millions of things. I’m I’m seeing great things happen on Maui where I’m at over here at the jail and I’m only there a little bit. They’re ch changing their ethos to rehabilitation. They’re doing

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some amazingly good and it’s a very slow not easy change for them but they’re making some really really good changes there. I’m seeing it uh with ch parents and children. I’m seeing wonderful changes. I’m seeing a different culture that’s coming out of the young people who are striving to relearn how to hold their families together. I am seeing so many good things >> giving 40 billion away here and not feeding the people. I mean, I appreciate >> I don’t know anyone that’s not eating.

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>> I do. >> I know people that don’t eat that buy cigarettes. >> That is a problem. That that >> Yeah. $20 a day would make me a fat person if I had $20 a day for cigarettes. I could live very well and I don’t even spend $20 a day on food for both of us. >> You don’t? >> No. No way in hell. >> No way. Can you say hell on radio? >> I think so. Because our food budget is $350 a month. >> That’s beyond my understanding. $350 a month isn’t even $20 a day is more than

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that. >> $20 a day you can’t buy fresh vegetables. >> You have to be thrifty. You have to be smart. >> Well, what if you >> you don’t order Door Dash. You don’t go out to eat. I haven’t been We Andrew and I haven’t been out to eat two months. >> You want to go buy a cauliflower and it’s $17 for a head of >> Yeah. If you or you go and you buy some frozen cauliflower that instantly frozen and you get it when it’s on sale and you keep it until you need it.

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>> Why would >> I have never when I get I buy cauliflower I go I get it at Costco. It’s like $2.50 ahead and I get three of them and I freeze two or I freeze two and a half. >> Yeah. >> And then I have them for when I need them. I I buy a bag of carrots. I’m walking outside those lines. >> Yeah, you’re you’re you’re buying you’re buying groceries at the corner market. I get it. >> Well, there are people that don’t belong to Costco and don’t have a way to get

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things cheaper. I’m talking about >> No. Yeah, I I see it, Jason. I see it. I walk by it every day. >> You No, >> you’re a very good shopper. I get it. >> I’m coming. >> I I’ve never I’ve never been wealthy. I mean, for a very short time, I did really well, but other than that, you know, I’ve always fixed my own vehicles, built my own furniture. You >> want to fix an electrical problem? >> I can’t, you know, I’ll I’m going to

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puzzle that. I’m going to puzzle that and I will get back to you on that cuz all I if I watch some YouTube videos, I mean, I my Subaru came back from the shop with the motor in the trunk. So, I figured that out. >> Came back from the shop with the motor in the >> Well, the fellow passed away. >> Oh, >> Mike down MD transmission. and he was working on my Subaru and he passed away and and the Subaru was out of my car and it came back on a couple pieces of uh cardboard in the back of the Subaru. I

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shouldn’t have prepaid for that fix. Um but no, I so I started watching videos cuz the the the pistons were back in and it and the only reason my Subaru broke is because the mechanic before that who was helping me um put a bolt in wrong and the whole motor went. But >> anyway, my Subaru, you rode over in it. It’s, you know, I bought that car brand new in 2010. Now it’s 15 years old. Hard to believe. But it was in the in and out of the shop for 4 years. And I had it in the I had to push it around in the

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parking lot where we live because we’re not allowed to stay in one spot too long. >> Is that right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You literally had to change sto >> parking spots. Yeah. >> They know it’s you and they see the car and know it’s the same. >> And I washed it. I would carry buckets of water out and wash it so it didn’t look like it was abandoned. But it took me a year and a half watching YouTube videos and now it runs and dries brilliantly. So,

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>> wow. >> It’s just, you know, you puzzle it out. >> If you don’t if you if you can’t afford a if you can’t afford a a Subaru mechanic at, you know, whatever rate they charge, they wouldn’t even they didn’t even have the ability to fix it. I took it there first. >> They said, “We don’t have mechanics at swap motors.” I was like, where I was living in New Mexico, there was two or three little dumpy shops that the guys are doing in a weekend.

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>> You do it in your parking lot. You got your own little cherry picker to hold >> Yeah, I got a cherry picker. We put it Actually, I have a friend that has one that that’s only six bolts. It’s not really rocket science. It just lines up. You bolt it in and then all the other little pieces and plastic parts and all that stuff that there was a video or two on each one of those. And >> funny story. So, the Mustang um I bought this $500 Mustang eight years ago or Andrew did and it’s been our toy. My son

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Brian’s driving it right now, but it the convertible top was completely shredded. And so, I’m watching videos on how Andrew got me a new top on some place online with a couple hundred. Really killer deal. And so, I’m watching videos all day. We’re going to do that on his days off. He gets home and I’ve watched this video like four times. So, it’s in Spanish. Cambodian top and it goes and Andrew goes, “Why don’t you just click the bottom? It says English on the bottom.”

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I watched it in Spanish like four times because I was trying to figure out how to do it. It was all in Spanish. So, I’m watching this guy in Spanish and I’m watching what his hands are doing and I’m watching new this and I’m removing this and moving that and I’m like, “I think I got this. I think I got this. I think I got this.” Andrew gets home and I go, “I’ve been watching it. The only thing I got is in Spanish and he goes, click English.” >> Did it make it any difference?

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>> You know what? It it not really cuz I was so paying attention to what he was doing with his hands and every little bolt and how he stretched the >> Well, got it anyway. >> Yeah, I kind of had it. Then I watched it in English and I was just like, “Oh, >> kind of disappointing, huh?” Yeah, it was kind of a let down because I had focused so hard trying to figure out to spam. My Spanish is Yeah. But um I was like, “Dang, okay, I can do this.” >> Six bolts, huh?

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>> Six bolts. Yeah. You Yeah. And it’s You can’t The starters on those Subarus, I swear they’re like They’re like They’re like a coffee cup. And I’m like, “It’s still working.” And it’s got 120,000 miles on it. The original starter. Yeah. I had to put that on. And I put on the the intake manifold. I put on the throttle body assembly, everything. >> See, when I hear those stories, I get to the fact that my mortality has set in and I really can’t see. I gave my tools

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away so I wouldn’t work on my car >> cuz I can’t see. >> And I >> Those are you wearing good glasses? I mean, we got the dime store glass. I buy these in a 20 pack. >> Yeah, I’ve done that. These are 4.0. >> Oh my. You are getting there. >> Yeah. Oh man, >> you don’t want to be in I was going to say in front of me on a highway. You can be in front of me, >> but I don’t know about being in my car. >> I’m concerned really that um that I’m,

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you know, where do you find someone to fix an electrical problem? I’m going to >> and it might not even be an electrical problem. And that’s a funky part. It might be some part that’s sending the wrong signal. Well, that’s electric. Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. I have my friend where I live who’s brilliant, but then you got to get the car there and it cost a million dollars to tow a car anywhere. >> I could talk to him for you. >> Gone over the >> He’s really good. I mean, he’s he’s he’s

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like he’s probably the best friend I’ve made since I’ve been back on island. The guy’s brilliant, you know? He’s just incredible, man. He used to build uh stuff for Disney and he’s just a fabricator extraordinaire and now he just kind of has this place where I live and that’s he owns that and but he just loves fixing people’s stuff. He does it for free for a lot of people that are low income. >> I shouldn’t say anything. I’m going to get in trouble.

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>> But yeah, he’s a good guy. But when I get when I get stuck, I go I I there’s a man I go to when I get stuck. So, >> all right. Well, I’m going to uh >> we only have a couple of minutes, but >> Yeah. You think we’ll get more cuz I I wanted to get really loud cuz I know last time I got really loud, we got lots of views and that part just kept Yeah. And it just kept getting repeated. I was seeing that on YouTube the most. It shows the most played part of our

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episodes and when you and I started getting sparring and that’s when it really went up and I was like that’s kind of cool. >> I don’t know. >> It’s all acting. You’re a good actor. Oh my good. Speaking of acting, we went to Rocky Horse Halloween. That was so incredible. That is like the only splurge we have this year. It was so good. That guy I I can’t think of his name. I know he’s he’s musician here. a musician. Not Eric Gilliam. >> Yeah, Eric Gileiam.

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>> Oh, okay. >> Isn’t he a musician? >> Yeah, on occasion. >> Okay. He’s brilliant. Oh my god. This the second time we’ve seen him. Oh, Jason. It was We had incredible seats. It was so good. Those people >> rain coat on. >> Yeah, I snuck. That was X-rated when I was little. I used to sneak into the Clinton Street Theater in on the east side of Portland with friends at midnight driving my friend Johnny Dark’s dad’s Jeep Grand Cherokee with no

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license so we could park hidden in the back so we could sneak in. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Any important things you want to say before we leave? >> Yeah. As long as you know you try to look at life, try to look at the good that’s going on. Focus on the good and you’ll feel better. You’ll sleep better. >> I feel great, but I don’t see people >> Well, no, your glasses aren’t strong enough. >> And I don’t That’s right. It might be that. But I don’t see people making that

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extra help except to make sure they’re covered. I am very >> I I work I work in children’s services. I see people reaching out to people all the time and I think it’s wonderful. Well, there are lots that they’re not reaching. And that’s the part that bothers me. And they’re not always the >> No, >> 40 million immigrants. It’s not those guys. It’s >> Well, we got to take care of our AA here. That’s all that’s important right now. >> Yeah.

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>> We have beautiful people here. We have wonderful people. >> I’m always feeling blessed, but I am concerned because I know a lot of people that are struggling now. >> Yeah. >> And I think it can be difficult. >> Yeah. You live in a different neighborhood. I live very isolated. I mean, Kihei is like not It doesn’t have a hub really. Not like kind of where you’re living you have a hub. >> I don’t even think about hub. We got It says 11 seconds, but I know we’ve got an

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extra minute. >> And you love playing your music >> because the next show >> You should sing because you you should sing more, Jason. You have a beautiful voice. >> We’re at the end of the show. We >> We have a cowbell hill. I don’t know what that’s all about. >> Stop early just in case they’re >> We don’t know if they’re the next show’s going to be on time. Ah, Jason, thank you everyone for Thank you. That was so much fun. [Music]

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1. 1. 1. Professional Summary of Video Content with Timestamps

• [00:07 → 05:31] Introduction, Setting, and Gas Prices Discussion
  Jason Schwartz and Scott R. Bushnell open the show from a radio station undergoing remodeling, joking about the bare surroundings and their “bunker” atmosphere. They briefly touch upon current political frustrations, particularly about fluctuating gas prices in Hawaii compared to the mainland U.S.
• Gas prices in Hawaii remain high partly due to added state taxes, despite national decreases.
• Maui Oil offers premium fuel at $3.49 per gallon via a cooperative billing system, cheaper than Costco’s $4.10 per gallon premium fuel.
• Scott highlights frustrations with costs and mechanics, sharing personal anecdotes about car troubles and repairs.
• [05:31 → 12:35] Neuroplasticity, Media Influence, and Tribalism
  Scott explains neuroplasticity—the brain’s ability to rewire itself through repetition, likening it to muscle building through exercise. He emphasizes that watching content that aligns with one’s beliefs stimulates serotonin and neuroplastic responses, reinforcing those beliefs and creating “superhighways” in the brain.
• Media outlets exploit this by repeatedly pushing content that aligns with specific tribal viewpoints (political, social, etc.), reinforcing group identities and tribalism.
• This mechanism explains how people become entrenched in their opinions, even when confronted with opposing facts.
• Social media algorithms intensify this by showing targeted content, sometimes even based on verbal cues or offline conversations (e.g., targeted ads appearing after casual talk).
• This phenomenon has been recognized and utilized by intelligence agencies and media for over 40 years.
• [12:35 → 20:46] Behavioral Conditioning, Tribalism Expanding Beyond Politics
  Scott expands on how behavioral conditioning has been used historically in advertising and family traditions, shaping individual beliefs and behaviors.
• The process now fuels tribalism not only in politics but also in consumer choices (e.g., brands like Tide or Downey).
• Multiple “button pushers” or influencers exist, each reinforcing their own narratives, which polarizes society further.
• Scott cites examples of influential figures (Joe Rogan, Martin Luther King Jr., Bobby Kennedy) who gained influence because their messages resonated broadly but were seen as dangerous by those controlling the “buttons.”
• He criticizes this manipulation but acknowledges the complexity of changing such ingrained behavior patterns.
• [17:42 → 22:42] Economic Control, Policy Directions, and Political Debate
  Jason and Scott discuss economic policies, tariffs, and global trade.
• Scott praises recent tariff policies reversing decades of disadvantageous trade, suggesting progress in economic sovereignty.
• Jason counters with the realities of poverty, hunger, and obesity in the U.S., questioning how policies can be right when millions struggle with food insecurity.
• They debate the impact of political leaders’ personal behavior versus policy effectiveness, emphasizing the need to focus on outcomes rather than personalities.
• Scott defends current policy directions, while Jason remains skeptical, highlighting ongoing social issues like hunger and housing.
• [22:42 → 30:43] Food Insecurity, Obesity, and Environmental Concerns
  The conversation shifts to public health and environmental issues:
• Jason points out the paradox of increasing obesity and diabetes ratesdespite widespread hunger and food insecurity.
• Scott agrees that food systems are broken, with cheap, unhealthy food dominating, leading to poor health outcomes and shorter lifespans in the U.S.
• They discuss environmental degradation, such as the loss of biodiversity (notably on Maui where ki trees dominate and other vegetation is dying), and water management challenges.
• Bill Gates’ recent reversal on global warming skepticism is mentioned briefly, highlighting ongoing debates on climate issues.
• [30:43 → 35:22] Water Management Challenges in Hawaii
  Scott explains the island’s unique volcanic geology, which naturally filters water through lava rock and replenishes freshwater aquifers.
• However, water mismanagement and infrastructure failures cause significant water loss.
• Aging and fragile water pipes break underground, leaking millions of gallons unnoticed.
• Examples include recent costly repairs on South Kihei Road and Lahaina, where modern pipe replacement faces geological challenges due to hard lava flows.
• This antiquated water delivery system exacerbates overall resource scarcity.
• [35:22 → 41:05] Wealth Distribution, Immigration, and Crime
  Jason expresses concern about billionaires spending on luxury projects (e.g., White House ballroom) while many go hungry.
• Scott counters that billionaires invest money into businesses that employ people and generate economic activity.
• They discuss immigration, noting that 40 million undocumented people have entered the U.S. over the past decades, affecting housing affordability and social services.
• Scott stresses the need for controlled immigration with background checks.
• They acknowledge recent law enforcement actions against Venezuelan drug gangs in Hawaii, referencing the serious social impact of such criminal organizations.
• Scott shares personal experience working with gang intervention programs and the devastating effects of drugs like fentanyl on communities.
• [41:05 → 44:50] Social Safety Nets, Military Aid, and Rehabilitation Efforts
  The hosts discuss social welfare programs:
• SNAP benefits are at historic highs, reflecting increased need.
• They debate the balance between domestic needs (food security, healthcare) and foreign military aid, noting recent reductions in U.S. military aid to some countries under current administration.
• Scott highlights positive changes in local institutions, including jail rehabilitation programs and efforts to rebuild family structures.
• Jason remains concerned about persistent hunger and poverty despite these efforts.
• [44:50 → 47:27] Personal Finance and Food Budgeting
  Jason shares his personal food budget of approximately $350 per month, which is less than $20 per day, noting the challenges of purchasing fresh vegetables and healthy food.
• Scott emphasizes the importance of thrifty shopping (buying in bulk, freezing produce) to stretch limited budgets.
• They acknowledge that many low-income people lack access to wholesale stores like Costco, complicating affordable healthy eating.
• [47:27 → 52:45] Vehicle Repair Stories and Self-Reliance
  Scott narrates his experience repairing his Subaru after years of mechanical troubles, emphasizing learning from YouTube videos and doing repairs himself to save costs.
• He also recounts upgrading a convertible top on a Mustang using online tutorials, humorously noting he initially watched a Spanish-language video before switching to English.
• Jason reflects on giving away his tools due to declining eyesight, underscoring the challenges of aging and maintaining self-reliance.
• [52:45 → 56:08] Community, Friendship, and Support Networks
  Scott praises a local friend who is an expert fabricator and mechanic, volunteering to help low-income people with repairs for free.
• They discuss the importance of community support and personal connections in overcoming challenges.
• The hosts express mutual appreciation and hope, encouraging focus on positive developments and kindness.
• [56:08 → 56:57] Closing Remarks and Encouragement
  Jason and Scott wrap up with reflections on the importance of continuing dialogue and understanding.
• Scott encourages focusing on good things happening in life to improve personal well-being and outlook.
• Jason acknowledges ongoing struggles but appreciates the community and blessings around them.
• The show signs off with friendly banter and references to upcoming shows.

1. 1. 1. Key Insights and Themes

Theme	Description
Neuroplasticity & Media	Media exploits brain neuroplasticity to reinforce tribalism and entrenched beliefs through repetition and serotonin stimulation.
Behavioral Conditioning	Historical and modern conditioning shape beliefs in politics, consumerism, and social behaviors.
Economic and Social Challenges	Debate on tariffs, immigration, food insecurity, obesity, and wealth distribution highlights complex societal issues.
Water Resource Management	Hawaii’s unique geology supports natural water filtration, but aging infrastructure causes losses and inefficiencies.
Community and Self-Reliance	Personal stories emphasize the value of learning, community help, and resilience in the face of economic and health challenges.
Positive Outlook Encouraged	Despite critical issues, focusing on positive changes and continued dialogue is vital for progress.

Quantitative Data Summary

Topic	Data/Values	Source Context
Gas Prices (Maui Oil)	$3.49 per gallon (premium fuel)	Cooperative system billing
Gas Prices (Costco)	$4.10 per gallon (premium fuel)	Compared locally
SNAP Recipients	40 million people	Low-income and undocumented combined
Personal Food Budget	$350 per month (~$12/day)	Jason’s self-reported food cost
Fentanyl Impact	Major drug crisis affecting U.S. cities	San Francisco example cited
Water Infrastructure Age	Some water lines over 100 years old	Hawaii local infrastructure
Vehicle Mileage	Subaru with 120,000 miles, original starter	Personal vehicle anecdote

Frequently Discussed Personalities and References

Name	Context/Role
Rudy Giuliani	Brief mention related to political pardons
Donald Trump	Frequent reference in political and policy debate
Joe Biden	Compared in policy effectiveness and controversies
Joe Rogan	Example of influential media personality
Martin Luther King Jr.	Cited as a powerful uncontainable messenger
Bobby Kennedy	Historical political figure, symbolizing change
Bill Gates	Mentioned regarding reversal on global warming stance
Scott Bessie	Secretary of Treasury, highest-ranking openly gay official
MS-13	Notorious gang linked to drug trafficking

Closing Summary

This conversation provides a multifaceted look at the intersections of media influence, behavioral science, economic policy, and social issues in contemporary America, especially viewed through the lens of Hawaii’s local challenges. The hosts highlight the power of neuroplasticity in shaping beliefs and group identities, the complexity of societal divisions, and the importance of focusing on positive community efforts despite systemic problems like hunger, obesity, and infrastructure decay. Personal stories about resourcefulness and self-reliance underscore the human dimension behind these broader concerns. The dialogue encourages ongoing open discussionand critical thinking as essential for meaningful progress.