Dr, Janet Kira Lessin ::: Author– Discoverer:: Galactic Anthropology

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[Music] aloha i’m jason schwartz your host here at the neutral zone maui neutralzone.com we’re on kaku 88.5 fm the voice of maui and you can find us up on youtube and you can find us at mauineutralzone.com today i have a very special guest here we are in the year 2021 and when i started doing this show in uh 2018 seems like an eternity ago you know we had this covert thing and it stopped us from doing shows for a little while and now i’m doing them remotely until the world reopens if you will

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um i had done an interview of sasha Lessin and i realized that i am missing a whole really important part of sasha’s life janet hear a Lessin janet welcome to our show you’re a very wonderful guest has to have now i know sasha a lot of thank you for having me jason good to have you here um i was trying to think of how i would describe you or what area is what you do you are obviously a loving support of your partner or sasha but you guys have been doing things over the years and i thought i’d have you on

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to kind of be a representative of the focus that you like to take in your life because i know you’re a very powerful influence in that household um what are you doing these days i mean how would i describe you like i could just be pulling from the air but i’d like to have you describe you uh you know i’m i’m constantly changing i’m reinventing myself all the time of course covid you know you had to do something different uh we were doing workshops and conferences and traveling

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the world and we had switched from we started out as a tantra school we got shut down by the county uh we started doing polyamory conferences because we’re working with the lb gtqia it’s it keeps expending expanding the letters but uh yes it gets long enough but we were working with that community because we kept getting alternative clients and uh we we’re always for the the downtrodden and people are being impressed so we started the world polyamory association and we pulled together all the people

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and uh i think you know part of what we did was instrumental in getting the um the gay lesbian marriages approved because we’re all working in conjunction with each other and now when you tune into like netflix it’s all it’s a different world people are identifying as different uh orientations and genders and so we’ve made a lot of progress i started with dr listen met him in 1997 at the uh polyamory conference in upstate well first of all in the one in california and then we went to the one

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upstate new york and that that’s when we fell in love we met in 97 i decided um i’m going to move in with this man and he invited me i had i discovered polyamory through going through a series of marriages to marriages by each other but sasha he’s my third marriage the first two marriages ended up in infidelity and i i was just shocked by it all and um i’d seen it destroy many marriages and so i started studying you know relationships and i’ve always been a counselor but i started formalizing my education and

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then when i met dr listen in 97 september 97 coming up my anniversary um i decided to join him in his community he had a conscious community going here and maui there were a lot of the maui characters and charles muir was here and joan hartfield was just changing her name hartfield and and caroline muir and all these tonja people kept coming to our house from about 97 i don’t know somewhere before before before colin it was somewhere about 2015 2016 but we we started to shift our focus because we were getting oppressed by the

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county they didn’t want us uh identifying as a tantra community so anyway i won’t go into the politics of that but we said okay we must reinvent ourselves go ahead let’s see let’s see how our audience goes because you use words i want to make sure all our audience knows who the polyamory means multiple partners in a relationship or yeah love me more than one loving more than one person in an intimate relationship so you know so most people identify as monogamous a lot of people are single

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but when they date they date one at a time but there are many cultures throughout the planet that are polyamorous meaning more than one partner polygamists one man many women um religion is one woman many men so there’s different ways of doing relationships around the planet as we know you know looking at it all so now when you tune into a lot of the internet shows i watch a lot of netflix and hulu and stuff like that polyamory is pretty well known you can see a lot of major characters just use word polyamory so

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i guess it hasn’t caught up with the whole world but it certainly hollywood has added that because they want to be politically correct when it comes to defining uh what kind of race or what kind of gender or orientation or relationship style you may be participating in it has made the world more complicated you know we used to have a choice of male or female now we’re male female and the sort of other boxes um yeah i don’t understand that they them but i you know i appreciate everybody

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trying to figure out who they are i’m just i’m always wondering i’m trying to wrap my head around that so am i and that’s why i was asking i guess but so you met sasha uh uh doc you don’t call him dr Lessin except when we’re on tv oh i’m magic uh yeah i call him dr lester when i’m on tv because then people kind of respect them more you know he deserved that he worked hard to get that he’s put in he’s 81 so he’s been doing his uh education over 60 years and he’s a doctor of

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anthropology i understood anthropology and counseling well he has two masters in counseling psychology all these certificates i can’t put them up on the wall there’s so many post-doctorate certificates he’s a he’s a geek a nerd he loves to study uh if we if it wasn’t covet we’d probably still be going to uh you know some educational programs when you say the county the county got a little um too much in your face and wanted to direct your programs is that what you’re saying they wanted you

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to no they they didn’t want uh the tantra temples to exist on maui so they basically attacked all the tantra temples here and on the big island i don’t know what they did on oahu but they in sedona arizona and in phoenix so there was kind of like a we tried to get it through railupa which is a religious liberty i don’t know it’s an acronym for a law that was passed which allowed you to have religious freedom and you know express yourself in your own way but it took a lot of money to hire attorneys so

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we let that go and we kind of let go of you know all that stuff the county was just attacking and i won’t mention other names with other people on the island that had more money they were able to fight it with litigation but you know we got outspent so he said okay i guess the universe wants us to do something different so we went into the other aspect of what dr Lessin and i do which is the anthropology and so we started studying um you know the ancient and you know the history channel has ancient aliens yeah

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what are they called uh ancient aliens yeah anyway they go into oh how did humanity get to the earth and what are their beginnings and their origins and so right now we have all these digs that are going on around the planet we have lidar which you can see underneath the oceans underneath the earth and we’re identifying more of these ruins and so when it’s the pieces are coming together that there was this global civilization that’s much more ancient than anything we could ever imagine

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and so you know that was right down dr Lessin’s alley he was excited i introduced him to zechariah sitchin to a book called the gardens of eden by william bromley and i put it on the back of the toilet that’s where you introduce literature to men and and i just left it there and one day he came out he says is there war like oh yeah so we went down borders was still there we bought everything they had uh he just started diving into zechariah’s sitchin and we started uh traveling around

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with the citronites it’s a group of about 200 researchers and we met at these little mini conferences um went to new york to florida california several times and then he passed zechariah passed in 2010. and he asked dr Lessin to please pick up the umbrella now i always refer to dr Lessins because he does a phd and i’m raised in a patriarchal you know male dominant society but i have a certification too you know i went to sichuan thing and i’m equally certified as he is but you know i i wind up my geek and i

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i launch him and then he can really wrap his head around the material on a major way and then um you know we check each other and we have endless discussions about the topic and so we produce five books on uh the anunnaki and there’s two more if i can get a fire under his butt to finish but you know writing it’s one thing but putting it together in a format that you can publish is very tedious and so i tend to decorate it zechariah section to our audience that may not know him he was i guess

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a student of cultures and civilizations that came to our earth is that where his focus was right he started in the 70s exploring uh the anomalies around the planet just like um eric von danican in the 60s introduced in search of ancient astronauts with rod sterling and they started saying well what are the pyramids what are what’s machu picchu what’s the stone hedge and so there was a whole series uh search of ancient astronauts uh in the 60s in books and then uh zechariah so that was the

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60s and zechariah came around and i think his first book was called the 12th planet in 1976 so he got these canea forms uh and artifacts from the planet uh there was an earlier group than the one that i joined with uh sasha that they were actually traveling to egypt to south america and so what what they were finding like in south america they had a lot of these olmec statues of of large african-looking people so they seemed out of place they had these structures that were put together which with you know huge stones that

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weighed tons and which with such precision we couldn’t do it today just like the pyramid so you know he was documented documenting all this and he wrote about 10 11 books before he passed in october of 2010. and so he said to us especially dr Lessin uh you know please uh continue on passing not passing it towards but please continue and create a educational program for the planet because this information must continue and it’s ongoing it’s it’s very popular you can just put planet x nibiru in your

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search google and you will see pages and pages uh thousands of references to it and it’s a huge moment well speaking of that subject do you have a place for people to go to begin an exploration of that or how do you approach this people the first place to go is ankispeaks.com if you want to pull up that link eckey speaks i’m going to bring up that page we’re going to share for a second and let’s see if i can bring it up is that it can you see speaks uh you want to go to the first one there

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it is right there well enki speaks there we go so this is now you guys it’s very funny when i look at this picture i actually bought an art collection on the rights to richard field’s work this is one of uh richard field that’s berlin yes the guy in the ocean uh neptune yes that that’s uh that’s neptune poseidon and richard fields we met him years ago used to do yoga in his studio and he gave us several copies of his painting yeah he’s uh we should get him out there again he has

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some really beautiful things that he’s done yeah yeah now you can see the sights slowing coming in there are pictures where there’s blank spaces so oh i understand you’re like mine i leave spaces the pictures are still feeding in is what you’re saying i’m just looking at all the different although there’s so much here to explore that’ll be great for people and uh the easy way to find it is e-n-k-i enki speaks dot-com great okay great so there’s a search you can go in and look

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for different topics and dr Lessin works on this uh you know he’s doing a lot on facebook i try to get him to put it on aggie speaks but he’s he’s doing most of his work on facebook he he has a huge audience and there there it is there was the one that he interviewed that you guys did anyway um uh yeah i saw it before oh who knows if we’re exactly seeing the same thing it’s uh the internet connection has got its own brain and it’s a funny thing sometimes right that’s the way it works so

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now when i see you two like this i think about this site because uh you guys have been doing i probably still are doing our radio shows well i’ve i’ve taken a year sabbatical i i got involved with all these um experiencers people that had paranormal and uh ufo typic encounters or there are literally thousands of people that have stories and books and then we were doing the anunnaki ancient alien stuff and we were doing conspiracy but i i took a break when conspiracy got really bonkers with this um you know

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attack on the um hold on ticket you’re talking just conspiracy has become i don’t want to say fact let’s say it part of our day there’s so much going on it gets very confusing and very it got really dark and it it infiltrated uh the radio field and i i didn’t want to be participating in any way shape or form and supporting that darkness so i just said you know i’m going to take a break and clear my head and see who i want to interview i just wasn’t sure thank goodness

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sorry that’s all right life goes i got you okay so i should have turned them off anyway i don’t ever get called because i have pretty much everything blocked but so i took a break from that i am going to be doing some more shows um next month i’m really you know vetting the people that i’m interviewing but i have an archive of over a thousand uh interviews and they’re mostly um just audio but i put them all the way up on youtube and i have a spreaker blog talk system so it kind of goes out to

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you know spotify and all these different places so we you know we have a good portfolio of over a thousand interviews with people from uh alive and dead from all walks i’ve been doing it since 2012 but i started being interviewed before that so that was a big part of our lives um so a lot of shows and i’m still doing that i’ll be doing my next show i think the first week of october uh with barbra jean lindsay and um it’s elizabeth and they’re both first generation experiencers so an

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experiencer is someone that’s had some kind of paranormal or ufo contact and there’s a well-known researcher in the ufo field named john mack who started he was a pulitzer prize winner of harvard i think he’s harvard a professor and in his psychotherapy regression practice he started encountering people that had alien abductions and he worked with dr Lessin uh for about 20 years they were they met each other at the stan groth holotropic breath work conferences um and so understand roth they travel like

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two weeks every year to different locations two or three times a year to different locations in this first intensive certification program for uh graph work and so dr Lessin was i think the second group that was certified under stan graf so anyway very important piece of work because this is groundbreaking research we have the first main story that broke in the world basically with betty and barney hill have you ever heard of betty and barney hill no please stop they were um two an older couple no they

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were probably normal age 30 40 something and they were traveling in i think was connecticut or anyway um they came and they were a uh first one of the first biracial couple couples and so they were traveling home from something and they got abducted by aliens and so they didn’t know what was happening but their lives so you had to finish that engine finish life their lives got kind of turned upside down so they subjected themselves to a series of hypnosis session to uncover what was destabilizing their lives and

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they both they were separately uh regressed and they both had encounters with extraterrestrials and their story got published by stanton friedman and then there was a series of movies made by them about them so they were the first one that went public back in like 62 or 63. so people you know you can you can google all this stuff i’m not making it up uh this is the field it’s a huge field of research and um people trying to figure out what’s going on now the government is saying that we have uap is unidentified

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aerial phenomenon and everybody’s looking for disclosure when is the government going to come forth and tell us about the alien presence on the earth and um so we have the ancient aliens they came hundreds of thousands of years ago and they colonized this planet we had that story which is what zechariah sitchin covered but we have the modern era like who who’s been abducted by aliens what’s flying in her skies and so people are trying to connect the dots from the past to the now and they’re still reporting

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uh there’s a group called mufon mutual ufo network which has been has been around since the 60s um project blue book was started in the 60s by the government so people were trying to figure out what is this but there’s the other facts the faction that doesn’t want us to know because uh apparently they have advanced technology way beyond what we’re uh utilizing in our everyday lives like they have transport between planets and it’s very what they it’s hard to explain it because that’s a

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huge film but there’s a group of people that say they are um in a secret space program and they’re called whistleblowers like snowden snowden came forth and he was saying that he found in in the computer when he hacked in uh drawings about these aerial craft that are you know going to the stars basically so all this stuff is opened up and so that’s what i was doing with the querying video i was interviewing all these people that had experiences from abductions to i’m working in the secret safe space

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program you know i’m a whistleblower i just did eight nine years of that and i was doing up to five shows a week because there were so many people that want to be interviewed and i was just basically okay you want to come on my show let’s put you on the calendar so i was really working my ass off so to speak and so uh and i just put a pause in that because i realized that this other conspiracy part was being utilized to pull a lot polarize us and kind of pin us one against the other and

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then it got really dark and it got ugly and mean and uh we see it the eroding if you listen to the news it’s like it’s the anti-backs anti-mask mask polarity game and it’s not really kind loving or fun what’s going on now i don’t know how that’s going to resolve it sure is dividing so many people that should all be loving and supporting each other so if you scroll down on dragon this is my this is all involved my research let’s see if we go to further i have a section i have to fill out with

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the this is a slider i have to fill that out but you go down and i have this right this one yeah yeah i have to fill that out that means there’s a missing a carousel of images or whatever you’ll put in there right right so i have to feature an image and then it and i have to get a large image with a lot of thoughts for it to look like but if you slide down uh let’s keep scrolling on the right hand side you can see our books yeah oh and there’s a bunch of them there’s uh walls

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yeah i wrote a book called dance the souls which is my part one of my autobiographical uh story of my experiences with non-non-human entities and paranormal when i was a child i grew up in a haunted house so that that all counts with as experiencers now um anyway if you scroll down a little bit more there’s a few so if anybody wants to explore what i’m talking about in greater depth here are the books that we wrote they’re all up on amazon and you can if you click on images you can go through

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um yeah i can see that let’s make sure i get the website dress correct dragon at the end of time right correct eggy speaks also has these images i try to get these uh book links on every site right and uh and i’m gonna go do some work on this i’m gonna clip open it for a second just to see so like just by example people can go to everything and find all about this separately i get it great you click through to let’s see it’s on amazon okay yeah this is on amazon well that’s great yeah well i’m glad

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because i know that this subject is the kind of subject that lots and lots of people are interested in um is there so is there any kind of formal i you know i’m just asking any kind of group that is here to kind of greet them there was years ago i met a gentleman named sheldon idol n-i-d-l-e did you meet him know him sheldon i’ve had sheldon up here from right before i left i you know brought him up for dinner hey and it’s a lovely wife and i can’t remember her name right now colleen yes

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colleen yes well this was years ago when i did interviews with him and he was talking about being a group of people that were the reception team for the i i don’t want to call them aliens visitors of other race from syria the syria yeah yeah um yeah i used to go to his group he was great and i think he moved to california somewhere and i i tried to get him on my radio show but he would never uh commit to that so i don’t know why we’re retired i imagine they’re still waiting but they were a

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very uh interesting group of people and like like you that you know they’re not speaking from a place of uncertainty that’s what i what i hear in your voice there is no doubt you have so many people that have come and shared with you their experiences it’s past the point of is this real or not you’re i’m sure after a thousand interviews very rooted in understanding there are so many things we don’t know that’s really and i cannot give you the answer i can just give you more

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mysteries and i invite everybody to research and come up with their own uh you know it’s just like religion you know where are you gonna settle in that now this guy here uh by wallace yeah rob uh he uh he is a biblical he’s a traditional biblical preacher scholar and he looked at the um the bible from the perspective what if these were aliens and so he he has this whole he’s got a wonderful website and series of radio interviews and videos on explaining the bible from the extraterrestrial perspective from the

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anunnaki so it keeps expanding all these researchers come in and they add to this now what this dragon at the end of time is about i started doing my ancestry i have ancestry.com and as you go through the ancestry you will see well at least in my line i kept encountering royals i mean i’ve got kings in queens i go back to charlemagne which is around the year 1000 and it just once you hit the royals the um documentation of who what lived where and when and how is just phenomenal i mean they’ve got

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people’s birth dates and deaths and all and a lot of them die of plagues and so what i’m looking for you know this is hard to explain but in the in the anunnaki story they have stories of the dragons and the devil and the gods and serpent and all this stuff and when you look at the symbology that’s in our ancestry and you end up with these um royal crests and they have dragons in there they have oh i don’t know if i could pull up to a royal crest they hire a heraldry when they went off the battle they would

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decorate their shields and their breastplates and then these things went up on their walls and they kind of show which gods the anunnaki had about 900 gods and the gods are basically immortal and at a certain point they had to go behind the scenes because they ended up having a series of wars and conflict within their midst nothing’s changed there’s been war since the beginning we’re still acting out their wars but they they started dividing up the earth and the um sodom and gomorrah got nuked that was

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actually nukes if you follow this sumerian story that was a nuclear holocaust oh they they blew up sumer and they they dispersed around the planet and so enki who is our hero let’s call this is the hero’s journey and and the uh you know campbell has the symbology of these archetypes these heroes you know you have eggy and elo and nimba well they are god and satan whoever won the war was god and the other guy was satan right he was the adversary so if you follow this track all the way through the ancients

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and and um i track it back to the uh european northern european countries from uh germany france even spain a little bit of italy but all the way up to um ireland in england and scotland that’s most of my genealogy and within that you can find the stories of the dragons and there’s a point when you go back in time and this is literally going in my chart i’m going back 14 15 16 grandparents that’s called your pedigree you can anchor you can lock into your grandparents going all the way up the

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tree um and i’ve stopped at charlemagne on about three branches and and to you know let people understand when you start going back in time you’re you’re going to be related to well we’re all related to each other and we all have every dna in us imaginable right if you go back to the story of adam and eve and the creation but um you’re going to encounter your point in your tree where your your grandfather is your uncle is your cousin so they’re related to you in many ways at the same time so you keep

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finding your ancestors and they’re all related to each other because there were there wasn’t as big of a population back in you know 500 years ago as there is now so we’re we’re really we really do have six degrees of separation in our dna in our genetics and we’re all related to each other and we can go back and tie in our charts to the anunnaki so the story of the anunnaki is alive in our bloodline so this this woman here is known as melacine and melasine uh was magical she could change

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into um a mermaid but her her tail was like this with the two fins so the royals i’ve tracked this down the royals say no she wasn’t a mythological being we tracked down our ancestry and we’re very proud of having this uh shape-shifting reptilian you know person that could shape-shift she could turn herself into a dragon and and she wasn’t mythical so there’s a point when you do your tree your genealogy where all of a sudden you have run into arthur and you run into well you run into jesus you run into to mary

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magdalene and her children you run into the stories of the how um when they came to the uh britain to the islands there were giants and then that ties in with the archaeological digs and that ties him with the conspiracy because people are hiding these diets in the smithsonian edge if you look in the 19 i mean in the um uh what do you call 1800’s and in the ancient newspapers and stuff you see all these pictures where people were they got these skeletons and they and they have an axis as tall as a human you know and

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and so we’re looking at all these things and we’re going well there’s a there is a conspiracy there’s a huge cover up of information of what really has been happening in this planet and you can find it in your own genealogy so now that’s another part of my research and i’m i’m networking with researchers all over the planet because you know the number after poor you know with the number two work research is is ancestry’s genealogy there are millions and millions of people studying

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genealogy and as you are correcting your tree or going in and it corrects it for all the millions of researchers all over the planet and they will they will not let an inconsistency go they we’ve got people that have boots on the ground they’re going into uh little shires and churches and they’re finding the records that are thousands of years old and they’re and they’re bringing it back and they’re tying it into the database and so we’re we’re solving the mystery

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which zechariah system began at 76 like who are these people that are our grandparents and we’re solving it through our dna and now they they can take their dna samples and you can go back through your genetics 35-40 generations to see who you are you know in your dna within your own body okay go ahead pausing for air and question wow i’m just listening i’m uh it’s very fascinating so they’re this kind of work it’s almost like they don’t know where to begin the first you have to kind of realize uh

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when you’re studying you have to be open to breaking uh the thing that society has for us a traditional view um do you see i’m sure you’ve seen that in yourself when do people suddenly go ah this is absolutely real i am it’s it’s changing the way i think about man changing the way i think about where we’re going on this planet like are these things going to be making a difference in whether the earth still survives with humans you know with all that’s going on with the

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planet are there solutions this close to us that could solve these problems from an outside source or are we going gonna have to handle it here yeah i always wonder how do the aliens and the humans interact that’s what you were talking about earlier there was a movie a few years ago it was i thought of it as a comedy called mars attack which was all kinds of celebrities jack nicholson was i think president in this one and the the the martians get off and they’re trying to be nice to them and suddenly they

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shoot and kill people oh no no that was an exception is there any kind of tracking of humans and aliens working together towards solutions are these things that we should be positioning ourselves to receive uh you know it’s a big question that’s a great great question let me try to unpack that i the answer is yes and all the above um there appears to be a battle for the soul of our planet uh on some level and that’s what people are talking about in the conspiracy level but there also

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appears to be a faction that loves humanity that sent people like jesus and buddha sent these spiritual these spiritual teachers came down into the the human level existence and they incarnated here they walked among us and they lived lives and they left behind messages one of those characters is enki so he commented on the poseidon neptune image he loves humanity so much he is the uh creator of homo sapiens and homo sapiens sapiens he and his sister nima and um thoth negosita which is uh thought

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uh he has they have different names depending on what period you’re looking at but he his top and they are geneticists and they created this um let’s call this an avatar this human form is an avatar one of many forms in which souls can come in and have incarnations and so he’s here to help support um the ascension process for us to awaken and become conscious so that’s that’s the original battle between god and satan there’s a part that wants us to stay uh in the matrix uh investing for

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disinformation and information and confused and programmed and unconscious and acting out through religions and wars and you know racism and sexism and you know just unconscious all these things we see going on now are uh it’s unconscious people are saying well you’re not you’re not woke you’re unconscious and for you to hate your neighbor and and act out and do these horrendous things to each other is unconscious so i’m inviting everybody to get conscious and conscious means

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love it’s basically love is that kind is that loving is that supportive no well don’t do it stop doing it and do everything in your power to stop doing it so it’s kind of preachy but you know that’s my conclusion so i think what’s happening now studying so i started out another thing i started out when i was 12 years old with jane rodberg you know who gene roddenberry is correct leader of star trek right he he was apparently an insider he was a whistleblower he had access to the alien

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presence on the earth he couldn’t tell the stories as if they were real so he made wagon train to the stars in the 60s um westerns were popular so he said well let’s do star trek let’s do a wagon train to stars and so he was introducing a lot of the concepts and he he did the best he could and you know i think he died what his early six years didn’t last for long late 50s early 60s but he left us a legacy and then star trek became star wars and i like star wars but i didn’t like how

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star wars was so violent and it just kept getting more and more violent over time and if if you looked at our media it just went from i don’t know it’s always had shooting but it just went to um how you can i one day i went to a movie with my boyfriend at the side with natasha and i i said i can’t do this anymore do you realize how many people died in the two hours that we watched this movie i said i i can’t i can’t be unaffected so i stopped watching violent movies and i basically when i moved in with sasha in

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1997 i stopped watching television because on some level i realized that i was allowing myself to be programmed uh by this negative agenda and i think that helped me clear my head and i dedicate myself to research and doctor listen had never watched television he said i didn’t like television when i was a kid and television came around i said dad let’s go out and throw ball i don’t want to watch this stupid stuff it’s stupid so um so what’s happening in star trek rome and i’ve just tuned into this is they

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have two new series coming out one is returning to um so so all the all the fans were complaining like this is wrong this isn’t the original spirit of gene roddenberry and we’ve lost our way how do we get it back so the the two series that were kind of true to four were the first star trek series which lasted three years in the next generation and then there were a couple other voyagers and the earlier ones were true to form and then the later ones got hijacked so what they’ve decided to do

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is they’re bringing back um picard they’re well they bring back your card which is next generation and there was a character called q and q was like the adversary he was very um devilish right for his heart had just happened now they’re coming back and they’re saying well q’s helping humanity evolve and become conscious so there’s something that’s being reintroduced and and humans learn their stuff from media from you know from science fiction from stories you know we

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get a lot of our input and our morality and how to walk in the world and how to be so it’s very influential and then the other one is uh there was it was a character in the first star trek let me get his name pike captain pike and uh he was pre kirk you know who kirk is right was the uh ran the enterprise and the captain before him was pike or he was an old leader before [Music] so they’re going back to the roots of star trek and they’re reintroducing pike and a lot of the characters uh from the

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first you know of course the original um actors are a lot of them are dead um kirk what’s his name um william shatner’s in his 90s now so he might do a cameo but he’s not going to be the captain so anyway there’s some hope that they’re going because we’re really hungry for that energy because uh you know i was 12 when star trek started and i i was part of the revival i went to all the conferences i was there on my 21st birthday and he said we finally got the contract back we’re going to be doing

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the movies uh so we were there were 20 000 strong in new york city in 19 uh february 6 1975 when i turned 21 and there were another 20 000 trying to get into this the it was a hotel was there their last thing they were going to tear it down and they just let us go wild we had isaac asimov robert heinlein jay allen heineck and gene roddenberry and they were up and they were talking about our future and where we were going to and it was a bright this is the you’re a hippie i was a hippie this is

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our bright and shiny future yeah and then it got hijacked with the with 9-1-1 and all of a sudden we were on this negative timeline and i just watched if anybody i don’t know it gets political watch watch vice about cheney it’s like oh my god i’m not going to go into it but it’s like our our timeline got hijacked from this star trekkie and utopian reality where we would have cures for all diseases and cancer and and space travel and this this well we got robbed we got robbed because we were heading

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there and now we’re in this covered crap and i know there’s a way out and enkei is a character poseidon he’s uh got a trident he loves humanity and and he’s the he’s aquarius see there’s something behind we are entering into the age of aquarius so i remain hopeful but boy i can only watch you know a half hour of news but i do pay attention because um this is not the future i imagined so what are we going to see in the future you know when we hear about all this conflict i i keep thinking am i going to see

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a jesus-like character floating down and is the world going to drop this negativity or is it going to be this struggle i i just i’m trying to how do we navigate out of such a dark period and bring people back together in a loving way what do you think well we we can always start individually the more of us that are kind level loving conscious it’s kind of like you know lighting a candle lights a candle lights a candle so we can we can start now there’s things we can do every day we can we can put out positive thing we

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can we can like positive things we can say i’ve i’ve just turned off all that negative stuff i’m gonna this is a really good movie to watch yeah this this is uplifting so stop watching the fear poor and i called the fear part but enki did okay so the back to the anunnaki story they were fighting among themselves who gets to rule when who gets to be king of the earth when and it was base they created the astrology to mark the passing of uh the earth and and the solar system through the cosmos and so when the ages

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would shift and they would have the different gods because when they first came to the earth there was only three or four of them but they eventually ended up with 900 by having people come down from nibiru and by having children so they had second third generations they were having problems reproducing themselves they had become basically pretty infertile so if you had a fertile man or woman when they had children they really celebrated the birth of a child and so i think that in in some higher source like god source

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right in some higher sense like from the god you know god source not not the human story of jesus and and the gods that that level but the higher uh universal consciousness creation greater of all they worship the creator of all they knew there was a higher power above them so this higher power intervened into what they were doing on the earth and then they became conscious and aware that there was a higher being and uh the story talked about this guy named gal zoo which is just like q in star trek a person a being that had

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total awareness of the totality of existence of where they came you know we come into form and we go unconscious we have no idea who we are but some people through meditation and working on themselves uh they they start to remember who they are as an eternal being so enki had a greater awareness than we have and then he became aware when they realized that this guy gaul zoo came in they basically didn’t allow the anunnaki to leave um and they made it this guy made up a story he says if you leave the earth to

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to anki and nemo and the gods that were here you’re going to die because you’ve been on this plane of existence too long in the earth atmosphere that you can’t go back to nibiru and they believed that so that meant they they were trapped here and they acted out in sodom and gomorrah which ended up uh almost a ton of annihilation of everything because they didn’t realize how powerful nuclear weapons were they had no uh recollection because they had developed nukes tens of thousands of

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years ago anyway it’s a long story it gets convoluted but the bottom line is what they’re saying is it’s enkei’s turn to rule becky did not get to be it wasn’t his age yet but he is the one who loved humanity so much that he sent his only begotten son to the earth to to save humans he saved us in the flood he gave noah the instructions on how to build the ark he you know created homo sapiens so in the end just to cut it short go to the point we saved each other because they were sterile when they were

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losing ground and they were not reproducing so this hybrid species of human and and anunnaki all of us are human and anunnaki everybody alive today is human and anunnaki it’s in our dna and i’m going to prove it with my group that’s you know tie it in with their own family trees back to the anunnaki so his his turn to roll what that’s what the you know the rock opera the age of aquarius was about it’s enkei’s turn to rule now he loves us and and his wife is nima which is mary

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nemo mary mary nimma they’re going to come back that’s all we have is this promise it’s written in sumerian it’s written arcadian and it’s it’s a story that when it’s my turn to rule i’m going to come and put it right so okay hurry up binky get down here wow this i don’t know exactly yeah well you know as i thank you i’m thinking to myself this story it came from somewhere but it ties together that transition of how do you go from nothing to where we are now and how do we save

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the earth we’re going to basically have according to this story a gigantic moment that is going to change consciousness on this planet all right because of the water it seems that that will happen now in the meantime it doesn’t mean you stop and just let the earth blow up see the other thing that dr listen’s been researching is that there’s always some things in coming and uh the bible and all the atrahasis and all these ancient texts have stories of uh fire and prince brimstone you know

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volcanoes going up so we apparently are creating or accelerating our own apocalypse and we really need to get our together what what i think they’re looking for they don’t want to interfere with us at a micro level because we don’t grow evolve and become conscious they’re hoping that we evolve and become conscious so we unify uh and put together a group effort then we can deflect the incoming bodies coming in from the uh space that in the past have created things like noah’s

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flood and also um it was when um the egypt flood uh when they when they were going through the red sea um moses that was another mini event where thing was things were coming in from space and making earth changes so we have periods of huge earth changes there was a time where uh one of the volcanoes erupted and a lot of it’s the influence of the astrological astronomical bodies they they come in and they pull and push on our planet and they create uh havoc so apparently this one volcano we were down to 20 000

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humans right and we were able to recover and you know now there’s eight billion of us so i think what they want us to do based on all the studies and i can’t explain it all is to figure it out and unify so there’s a thing called um partnership scale of uh of consciousness it’s a scale where they see are your level zero civilization one two three four five six so we are a level zero we do not have a unified government and then and it’s here i think the conspiracy theory people it would be bad if we have

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one world order but in star trek in uh reality uh you weren’t invited to be in a federation unless you had a unified government some kind of representation for the whole planet meaning you guys got your act together and you’re no longer fighting each other you you your thinking is one mind that you figured out the problems of your planet as one mind and so that’s i think what we need to do how we get there and it seems like a big job but remember the berlin wall came down in one day

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right we were there you and i were there we watched it and so these shifts in consciousness can happen but we really need to start and you know the good thing is and we do have the internet so these concepts can go out there and like little seeds and start growing and growing and growing and we can see a shift and i see that happening now uh even amidst all this stuff because i think on some level covet is a wake up it’s a um catalyst you gotta you gotta do something because if you look in the past

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our ancestors kept dying from these diseases they don’t go away they just go round and round they originally got unleashed in sodom or in in the the wars the anunnaki wars uh it’s biochemical warfare and so a lot of these things were just dormant for years under the ice under under you know we’re burning up all these forests uh they started a couple years ago burning up in the amazon it’s like oh you can’t do that without ramifications on all levels and part of it was unleashing you know

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the arc isis unleashing these uh this biochemical warfare which was out because the anunnaki at one point realized uh there’s too many of them not enough of us and so the anunnaki can be hurt and killed and so that’s why they went underground they went they created the priesthood and the kingships um enki didn’t want to just cut us loose because we would go back to a barbaric stage so he introduced civilization and culture and he had these originally the concept was the kings uh and queens and the priests were to

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guide us but you know everything humans know how to uh pervert everything so that’s become very perverted and uh but the original if you go back to um one of the archetypal stories that went which conveys the original intention of anki when he started all this uh the demigods which are the hybrid children so he would reintroduce his own dna by mating with humans so you have all these stories of of some kind of uh incubus or some kind of magical being or even anki himself coming in and mating with humans well

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that that put this uh special dna which was a greater intelligence you know i’m not sure exactly what the difference is between a true royal and the uh and oxen human but i think in genetics if they got samples they could probably figure out what the difference is anyway that’s an aside so um he he set up camelot i’m gonna say just merlin arthur the concept of camelot was how it was intended to be that we would create these golden ages and as you know we you know in the 60s we had kennedy and he was supposed they

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called that the new camelot well we’ve lost camelot but we can get it back you’re every time i’m hearing i’m thinking to yourself to myself it can’t be anything but super fascinating to those of us who know so very little about this and your information seems to be an accumulation is that what you mean by uh continuing what zechariah chitchat did you guys are bringing this information together integrating it into a very understandable you speak very eloquently about it and uh

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you know i’d love to be hearing more i’m sure our audience is with what’s an easy way for them to get in touch with you what’s the best way for you um you can just write janet Lessin at gmail j-a-n-e-t l-e-s-s-i-n gmail.com okay and then you go up to the side conversation and these sites that are up there are very the uh enkei speaks and uh what was the other one an elephant in the room elephants it’s kind of politicals if you’re a trump person you won’t like it but um i’m about consciousness and

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dragon dragon at the end of time.com and an aquarium radio we’ve got and that’s got a youtube the korean radio you can go and listen to a thousand it’s about 2 000 hours of uh interviews since about 2012. well i sure thank you for coming here on our show i wish our show was longer i i’m fascinated i could just hear more and more and and um thank you for for opening my uh mind to this so much more than than i really knew it’s fantastic i hope you’ll come again that’s just the

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tip of the iceberg that’s just the tip and that’s what dr leslie and i do we’re a couple nerds and and i think there’s a way to do this that’s all i want to leave everybody with there’s a way to do this and you can start today by being kind to your neighbors being kind of your your pets kind of your spouse and your children just every moment of every day just when you find yourself being short or harsh to stop and change channels i’m going to say that again [Music] kindly

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right love is the answer what a that one came through to so many of us i’m glad now we have to raise it up and actually do it yes yes live it live it we already know the answer we already know what to do we just have to start living it yeah that’s what i dedicate myself to that’s why i stopped i really stopped all the the input there was too much too much stop and just listen to yourself take your shoes off put it in the dirt just listen to the the nature around you and you know if you reconnect the source not to

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the little god not to the religion gods but go above to source then you you know it all anyway but just bring it into that’s bringing heaven into earth you can each and every one of us can bring heaven to earth so i know sounds preachy but it’s like it’s so simple it’s so simple yeah so well i i hope that that our conversation today is turning on a lot of people and that what we’re doing here helps it grow especially when we you boiled it all down to something that everyone should relate to that love is

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the answer and uh yes thank you for coming on the show today i hope you’ll come again this was really terrific tonight i will yeah maybe both of us me and sash we can have the tubas i’d like that that won’t really blow your minds [Laughter] well audience out there in in the world uh today was a terrific show i hope that you appreciated it like i did janet kira Lessin you’re a a terrific guest and a and a beautiful person i very much appreciate you thank you so much you’re very welcome

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so out there in radio and television and internet land thank you for joining us again here at the neutral zone you can listen to this show again maui neutral zone dot com or put in jason schwartz and janet peer a Lessin into uh the internet search engines and up it will come very soon very good thank you janet thank you for being here and thank you our wonderful audience for being here too and uh we will see you again blessings and aloha [Music] you