DR SASHA LESSIN – Sacred Matrix on the Revolution Radio Network

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Jason Schwartz spends an hour with DR. SASHA LESSIN. Jason & Sasha have a fast paced journey led through the integrated worlds of love, anthropology, Jesus, space beings and travel and civilizations and homelessness and housing and the matrix and on and on… an important and great discussion. Sasha Lessin has a radio show called Sacred Matrix on the Revolution Radio Network. Extra-terrestrial studies with his wife Janet as well. 2-25-2019

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     Interview with Dr. Sasha Lessin on The Neutral Zone, KAKU 88.5 FM Maui

• [00:00 → 01:37]
  Introduction and Guest Introduction
  The show opens with Jason Schwartz welcoming listeners to The Neutral Zone on KAKU 88.5 FM Maui. The host introduces a special guest, Dr. Sasha Lessin, whose broad and deep knowledge spans many esoteric and scientific fields. Jason shares how Sasha was recommended as an interesting and fresh voice for the show, highlighting Sasha’s own internet radio show called Sacred Matrix on Revolution Radio. The tone is warm and inviting, setting the stage for a rich conversation.
• [01:37 → 04:32]
  Guest Background and Music Connection
  Jason and Sasha discuss Sasha’s background, including his work as a hypnotist and his interest in extraterrestrial and inter dimensional contact. Sasha explains his role as host of Sacred Matrix, focusing on interviewing individuals with contact experiences and exploring consciousness topics. The conversation briefly touches on music as a thematic element for the show, with Jason recalling his involvement in a college project covering “Sympathy for the Devil” and linking that to Sasha’s broad interests. Sasha reveals that Maui Arts and Music Association sponsors the show, emphasizing the integration of art, music, and culture.
• [04:32 → 06:36]
  Sasha’s Spiritual and Healing Modalities
  Sasha shares his spiritual and therapeutic background, including psychedelic journeys, certifications in centering techniques by Roger Woolger, and his development of an expanded form of Tantra called “All Chakra Tantra.” He also trains in Viniyoga under master Gary Kraft. The dialogue reveals Sasha’s deep roots in alternative healing and transformational practices, grounded in decades of study and teaching on Maui. Jason acknowledges Sasha’s connection to master-level teachers and his role in both receiving and sharing wisdom in the community.
• [06:36 → 10:19]
  Sacred Matrix and Ancient Sumerian Cosmology
  Sasha describes the Sacred Matrix show as a deep dive into interconnected topics, including anthropology, ancient civilizations, and extraterrestrial contact. He explains his scholarly work on ancient Sumerian texts, which he believes underpin many biblical stories. He discusses the figure of Satan as Prince Marduk from the planet Nibiru, outlining Marduk’s influence on Earth’s history and religious conflicts. This segment also touches on the Galactic Federation’s recent intervention aimed at ending Marduk’s dominance and ushering in the Age of Aquarius. Sasha’s narrative challenges mainstream religious and historical paradigms by framing these stories through an extraterrestrial and cosmic lens.
• [10:19 → 16:34]
  Expanding on Spiritual and Cosmic Knowledge
  Jason brings in the Urantia Book as a related source, and Sasha elaborates on how historical revisions and layers of religious texts can be analyzed through linguistic and cultural clues. He discusses the timeline of ancient events recorded 450,000 years ago versus much later biblical writings. Sasha emphasizes the need to see beyond conventional frameworks, using Occam’s razor to evaluate hypotheses about reality, and describes various consciousness-expanding tools including psychedelics, meditation, and holotropic breathwork. He stresses the holographic nature of the universe and how our interconnectedness shapes collective reality.
• [16:34 → 23:09]
  Love, Empathy, and Healing Historical Wounds
  The conversation shifts toward practical spirituality and interpersonal healing. Sasha explains the power of empathy and unconditional love as the essential common ground among all humans, referencing teachings of Jesus. He shares examples such as former terrorists transforming their lives through love, and peace negotiations at Camp David where empathy broke down longstanding conflicts. Sasha advocates for forgiveness ceremonies, including symbolic acts of apology to indigenous Hawaiians for historical injustices. He also encourages self-reflection on personal “subpersonalities” to understand and heal internal conflicts that mirror external discord.
• [23:09 → 26:13]
  Extraterrestrial Contact and Government Secrecy
  Sasha reveals his extensive research and interviews with individuals experiencing extraterrestrial contact, including abductees and “super soldiers.” He discusses the reality of secret space programs, time travel, hybridization projects, and government contracts with alien entities. Sasha claims that most extraterrestrials are humanoid and generally benevolent, with some factions hostile but many aiming to help humanity evolve. He points listeners to his website and social media for further information, emphasizing the positive and transformative aspects of contact experiences.
• [26:13 → 28:27]
  Community Support and Local Resources
  Jason shifts briefly to highlight community resources such as the Maui Arts and Music Association, the Tree Makers Foundation, and 808 Youth, emphasizing local sustainability and youth support. The station’s role as a community hub is underscored, inviting listeners to connect with local events and support the station through donations, reinforcing the importance of local engagement in global and spiritual issues.
• [28:27 → 32:10]
  Underground Civilizations and Historical Revisionism
  Returning to Sasha’s narrative, he discusses underground civilizations like Agartha and the “BOD Landers,” linking them to historical events such as Nazi retreats underground and secret alliances with extraterrestrials. He references Operation Paperclip and conspiracy theories about Nazi influence on U.S. intelligence agencies. Sasha recounts Admiral Byrd’s polar expeditions and the existence of advanced German space technology predating U.S. programs. This segment blends history, conspiracy, and myth to challenge conventional narratives, suggesting a hidden history shaping current global power structures.
• [32:10 → 36:21]
  Extraterrestrials’ Role and Local Leadership
  Sasha reiterates that overall extraterrestrials are here to support humanity’s success. Jason praises Sasha’s role as a clear channel and integrator of complex information, highlighting his healthy lifestyle and embodiment of his teachings. The dialogue shifts to local politics and leadership, with Sasha expressing optimism about new environmentally sensitive and holistic governance, praising figures like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as a hope for the future.
• [36:21 → 43:17]
  Women-Led Societies and Social Change
  Sasha discusses the historical importance of women-led societies, referencing the goddess Nimah (Sekhmet) and peaceful civilizations in ancient Anatolia that were eventually overthrown by patriarchal forces. He explains how women’s biology, particularly oxytocin, fosters empathy and how this contrasts with male-dominated societies often characterized by conflict. This theme connects to current political shifts and the rise of more compassionate and environmentally conscious leadership. Sasha critiques local housing policies that criminalize small home-based businesses and advocates for more inclusive and supportive governance.
• [43:17 → 50:33]
  Housing, Homelessness, and Community Empowerment
  Sasha shares examples from history where governments empowered homeless populations to build their own homes, citing Cuba under Fidel Castro as a model. He stresses the importance of government serving the people by facilitating affordable housing and dismantling restrictive regulations. The conversation touches on local Maui struggles with homelessness and the need for practical, community-driven solutions. Sasha and Jason discuss personal health practices, including cycling, yoga, and natural living, emphasizing the interconnectedness of individual and societal well-being.
• [50:33 → 52:59]
  Closing Thoughts and Invitation
  The interview concludes with Sasha summarizing the importance of love, empathy, and collective action to transform personal and global challenges. Jason thanks Sasha for his time and insights, inviting him to return for further conversations. The show closes with a reminder that community-supported radio depends on listener contributions and promotes ongoing engagement with the station and its programs.

1. 1. 1. Key Insights and Themes:

• Interconnectedness and the Sacred Matrix: Sasha’s concept of the sacred matrix reflects a holistic worldview where all beings, cultures, and histories are interconnected holographically.
• Ancient Alien and Sumerian Mythology: The reinterpretation of biblical and ancient texts through extraterrestrial narratives challenges conventional religious views.
• Spiritual Healing through Empathy and Love: Practical examples show how empathy and forgiveness can resolve conflicts on personal, societal, and international levels.
• Extraterrestrial Contact Reality: Sasha emphasizes the positive nature of most alien contacts and the existence of secret government programs.
• Underground Civilizations and Historical Conspiracies: Hidden histories involving Nazis and secret space programs suggest complex global power dynamics.
• Women’s Leadership and Societal Transformation: The importance of restoring feminine energy and empathy in leadership for a peaceful future.
• Local Community Activism: Housing solutions, environmental stewardship, and community health are critical for Maui’s sustainable future.
• Personal Health and Lifestyle: Maintaining physical and spiritual health through yoga, cycling, and natural living supports broader societal well-being.

This interview provides a rich tapestry of information blending esoteric knowledge, ancient history, extraterrestrial studies, and practical community activism, all grounded in a message of love, empathy, and transformative potential.

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now we free speech station kak you 88.5 FM Kahului Maui the voice of Maui it’s Monday at 11:00 a.m. and here we are in the neutral zone welcome to our show [Music] many man sold away [Music] [Music] waters hand [Applause] please [Music] there is no what I’m here for the time is gone to make the change the time has come to unlock good morning everyone Aloha this is Jason Schwartz this is the neutral zone happy to have you all with us we have a really fun guest today fun because you know when you you meet

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someone who has a spectrum of knowledge that is broad and you know has been really a student of life for a long time and what kind of think you say well I had a spot in the schedule and I might guess you know I like to keep this fresh so we don’t like book people way long in advance and someone couldn’t make it and I asked your neighbor who’s someone interesting that I might get and he said Sasha Lessin welcome to our show thank you what a great voice Sasha has his own show what’s your the name of your show

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had a sacred sacred matrix it’s on revolution radio and as it find the bowl on the internet yeah it’s on the internet it’s it’s all over we have hundreds of thousands of people Lessin to we have other shows too but they’re all in revolution radio nowadays Wow I think everyone wants to know more about that that’s a wonderful thing to hear about yeah we we interview well or I have several fields but we interview all the people having extraterrestrial a contact or interdimensional contact I’m a hypnotist

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too and we also deal with my specialty I was interested to hear that you’re here playing sympathy for the devil and that’s back a little bit back man talk let’s do nice here it is because it’s being controlled if you need to hear a different volume you can tell me on your headphone understood so I’m just trying to get our right with things okay let me hear you as simply you know this show when I was thinking of a theme song I had a show on TV for a long time here and lono wrote a song called Maui stylin

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and then over the years things have changed then I’m coming back in a new incarnation I thought about doing another of lono song but building up for something that’s happening with art and music as I wrote I went through the college and at the college they I had a Joel Katz who’s a great guitar player saying anyway had a class and in that class the students were putting together thing on tape and this kid wanted to play and they wanted to do sympathy for the devil so this is students from

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school playing sounds like gay no it’s not but and then they asked me to be the lead vocal so that was me singing lead wow wow and then I switched to then I do which is a great song Bologna which is a love them and then I switched to unlock the Hope which is another lono song and so my whole thing is we’re the Maui Arts and Music Association they’re our sponsor in fact our underwriter at the moment and that’s basically me and others but we’re looking for new songs new input from people and I was just

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giving some examples because anyway that’s a whole other subject sympathy for the devil you are a great as let me give you background I know you probably hmm I’ve been here 30 years I think I know you’re 29 years something like that I had a girlfriend at the time named Celeste and Celeste said to me you have to meet the Lessins and Sasha and Joan at time and I went and I had a great experience holographic breathing and learning new things and fields and I was you know work a journey work for a long time vo

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genic journey meaning psychedelics man okay and next and I was for many years with how in Citrus stone and so I do centering and I am certified by Roger Wu ger and past life and using in psychology and I I’ve I was Charles Mears partner and teaching a very very advanced Tantra I realized Tantra was too limited and it was just second chakra Tantra and so I developed my own Tantra which is called all chakra Tantra I’m also a vini yoga instructor I personally trained by Gary craft so the master himself and but you

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know I do lots of stuff so we can have by the way eight oh eight eight seven three three four three five is their calling line here at ka k you I’m with dr. Sasha Lessin but now you’re hearing is a background that is full but what you were just talking about triggered me to say you are and have learned from masters because as these things have been opening you know the people that we have as friends and in common are of master level then many have trained you and in different things but you’ve been

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blessed with living on Maui and being able to not only receive but give for so many years in so many ways sacred matrix what’s that it’s a sacred matrix is and the other one is we have another show called divine paradigm and this is on revolution revolution radio revolution Dada you guys check that out in general that’s a great thing you know I don’t know if you really this camera over here is Facebook live you know and so is this one that’s me and you and you know when room we’re gonna do these

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shows I got like 30-something shows including this so as we’re talking about things later we’re gonna you know how you have a b-roll when we do TV we’re gonna be filling in as appropriate so we can show some of the things and reference things just realize that some people think this is only radio to me this is a beginning where we’re doing radio and then here locally the television seems to catch everyone’s attention so by having these shows on TV and supplementing with more visual will

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then be also doing TV show so I sure will be doing feeling cool so and tying together you know the Maui Arts and Music Association is a an umbrella so when I hear what you’re doing to me that’s like I use the word matrix often I didn’t know you did and that funny because it’s a matter of own awareness of your position in the matrix and your role in that I mean I to me that is so powerful because when people understand and suddenly it clicks the power of all of us aligned to do things is just a fantastic thing and so

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the sacred matrix I’m sure you get into what kind of my muffin so many subjects I should probably we were talking about your doctor or not I was interested when I found out about you someone said you were a doctor of something to do with and I guess that’s anthropology that’s right Fiji and women led cultures and that’s part of it but I was trying to say the very beginning when I was relating to sympathy for the devil is that one of my major works for the last 20 years has been with the ancient Sumerian accounts

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on which the Bible many many years after the accounts were written was based and so I have a lot to say about Satan who was actually Prince Mary Duke from the planet Nibiru the son of Lucifer and he’s called in the Bible who was really his Sumerian name is Enki Lord of the earth and Marduk is has caused an awful lot of trouble his basic strategy since the new king of sodom and gomorrah and sinai in 2025 BCE since that time he has basically been in charge of the earth and he claims to be all his rivals as

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well so he says you know I’m Allah and I’m Yahweh and I’m and he pits the different nationalities different religions different trading groups against each other but he’s on top of this whole mess of Illuminati that’s been so controlling all all of the world and recently the Galactic Federation has sent their representatives and they say it’s time to knock it off Prince Marduk Satan says he’s sorry for all the pain he’s inflicted and he’s going to cooperate in bringing in the Age of

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Aquarius or Enki as he is called and it’s it’s all very interesting course there’s other accounts and that’s just one of the many but it’s Siri interesting what what the devil has become well you know now that’s interesting how you tied that back all to that original song you can see that’s why I guess this guy said we should you should talk to Sasha he’s interesting because we could talk on a whole hour on that I’m sure you imagine as this information has come to you from mighty

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sources I understand it only triggers in me awareness of the urantia book is that well absolutely the arranger book has got a huge amount of information it’s a great value now what a scholar like me does if you read all the accounts and you see what elements are similar and which ones are disparate you can figure out when they’ve been added and what the bias has been of the additions for example the Christian Bibles all these different layers when different people revised it and you can sell it tell who was a

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revisionist and when it happened by little things in the language and so forth but we go back to we’re talking about events that were recorded by people they they said these events were four hundred fifty thousand years ago the Bible was only written some few thousand years ago when Nebuchadnezzar took the Israeli captives back to Babylon in Haran and Turkey and that’s these are people that they’re trying to to Yahweh’s temple had been a little temple had been destroyed and they were

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trying to figure out how to write something where they were getting binding all the Anunnaki that is the people from Nibiru who had been lording over them into a one-person but it was impossible and so you get all this thing in the my pop happens cuz you’re a little too calm move back oh you’re good but just realize about that much or if you’re gonna pop them just right over it that’s all you’re good you can get closer okay just in other words not like this cuz then thank you okay

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because your story as I’m Lessining I’m thinking our audience we’re here with sasha Lessin talking about everything but this is almost like an encyclopedic outline you yet write a wealth of notes remember manly Hall that’s right my first exposure to news before I even came to Maui and then I got here and I found all those modalities have come through or are here in Maui you bet when I came I was here in 88 will you hear that right oh I always hear for a long time event yeah so I got exposed to

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these modalities through teachers like yourself and yourself early on and then I’ve you know and my partner is Arielle Arielle is like also someone who’s outside a conventional box you know and how old you I don’t need to punch 78 yeah happy to be 78 suggests year I’ve ever had oh you know you are an amazing guy 78 years old I I think it’s everyday that you ride from Y a ho I basically in the mountain down and all the way to Baldwin Beach and back and have a life in there beside and a perfect literally

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picture of health mostly natural all natural oh except for the psychedelics of course oh that’s natural is a most are yeah so so I could you call what you call psychedelics infusions because they help you change your theology and get you above the matrix and you can see that you that the limited amount of frequencies that you take in are but a small part of what’s available everything is available because the universe is holographic and we have the fractals of everything and everyone within us just as we are within

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everything and everyone and that’s why your Maui organization can affect the morphogenetic field not just of Maui or not just of this planet but of the universe because we’re all in the same mind of the creative creator of all so well you know it’s really interesting you talk about sacred matrix and you just talk about that this thing from Maui can be all over the world and affects everything I always had this vision or since one of a light switch turning all the lights going on when

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everyone can I sees that vision and it clicked so I’m optimistic about our future I don’t know how the planet thinks about it in the future but I’m optimistic with the potential the potential is there for incredible things it is we can all reach out to each other because there’s a common ground of all humanity and that’s the love we find the ability to empathize that’s why when our creators the Anunnaki people from Nibiru lacked and they prayed and hoped that we would do better that week because Homo

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erectus the hybrids that they used to make their genome work on earth were telepathic and empathetic and if only we could care about each other and stop murdering each other and stop doing Wars we could have some of what Bigfoot has big the other erectus is the ancestor Bigfoot is still with us I know a lot of this is not within the matrix that you’re used to hearing but Lessin I’ve studied a lot and you know Occam’s razor if what I’m saying cuts the information easier for you to digest

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it then Occam’s razor is the best hypothesis we can have now that’s just temporary every kind of thing that we think is just a bunch of words which is parsing the greater reality that’s there so that our little minds can deal with it but if we go beyond with our intellect thinks and beyond the words and that’s what entheogens do for you you can do the same thing with meditation or holotropic breathwork or lots of other being in nature too but you know good LSD will get you there quick and in the

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right circumstances I probably shouldn’t say it on the radio no I interesting you know as you were talking when you mentioned holotropic breathwork my feeling was so I was on a really good path there long ago in understanding the power of the universe in a it comes back to that matrix again I don’t know how that that movie has gotten people all you out there you know matrix and Keanu Reeves those movies have given people some orientation to what a matrix is and what this is all about I think as

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fantastic I’m sure you can absolutely anything any any recurrent behavior that creates a system has certain kinds of things flowing through it and if you could see the whole system you could rise above it and you could start with the system of yourself if you contemplate yourself and then think about the part of you that contemplates yourself and then think about the part that contemplates the part that contemplates and so forth you can reach what we call epoch a you identify with the man of the mind of the creator of

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all where everything is just there in potential it’s just into it and it’s Leela or divine play that makes us all but we’re all part of everything and there isn’t any other it’s just a perceptual device of our intellect so that we can handle it if you know what I mean you know I can see when you guys if you don’t go to sacred matrix on the revolution radio you’re gonna miss like I said encyclopedic outline I’m sure in your shows you take some of these so you know he runs by name just Prince

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Marmaduke Prince Prince Marmaduke Mar Duke Omar Duke yeah he’s also a guy but um these are subjects I I hope that we are exploring so my neighbor was right you’re you’re interesting and you well could and do share this so I hope our audience Oh like I’ll introduce to you thank you I’d like to say something about your neighbor his name is Ron Fogle this I used to be a head of counseling for the Waikiki drug clinic and I’m telling you Ron has saved more lives there was a gang mo eely eely they were

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kids they were burglarizing all these places and they were they were taking Seconal Reds and killing themselves and everything and Ron you know braved the most incredible gang situation and he got all these kids to stop lurgha rising and as the crime went down and mo le le and he’s been the head of all these programs I mean he goes now he works with poor people here in Maui he washes the feet of drunk people I want a tribute run Fogle he’s a great man well you know thank you for saying that he’s gonna be our guest again he

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was on our show already once and I thought he was also Oh someone who gives amazing giving loving and knowledge about this whole system there are things happening that again we could go off into restorative justice issues there’s so many things that our world has and I’m sure if we just tape our conversation sounds like we’d be on radio oh what’s that maybe fun we still have some time as you’re talking about what is the most important thing or one of the things you’d want to

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really do that our audience okay the common ground of all you of ever everybody and everything is love or empathy that’s the basic teaching of of Jesus unconditional love for everything and everybody what that means is that you can empathize with them go underneath what you and they want and say why do you want that you know but one of the interesting cases is is a Munich terrorist that killed the Israeli athletes 1970 L okay so there was late follow-up studies those guys later on got married got your Hobbs had kids and

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stopped being terrorists so love married kids something valuable to do that’s what it takes and we can reach that common ground whenever you’re talking to someone that you you you feel estranged from say what is the common what do you love tell me about your job tell me about your dog whatever is interesting to you we can reach it by reaching that common ground once that happens we can empathize with each other see the world from the other person’s eyes and then we can find what to do I’m

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trained by Carl Rogers and others I and the people we’ve been trained by all know how to sit with opposed people and get them to feel each other when Menahem beguine anwar sadat and jimmy carter were sitting around a camp david and they were about to fail so hey we ain’t got no peace accord and these guys got to know each other their grandfather’s they were all crying what do we got a world are we good leaving them well cidade said you know they’re probably gonna kill me for this back home but I’m

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gonna sign the peace treaty to this day there’s peace between Egypt and Israel because these three grandfathers felt the love and that’s what we can do that’s what we can do you can imagine the people that you’re opposed to or that your ethnic group is opposed to and look in their eyes and you can have an apology ceremony I was named Alexander and I want to say grew up I found it Alexander the Great what a great killer I don’t want to be killers so I did as I asked all those the souls of all those

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whose ancestors were killed by Alexander to forgive me and give me back the pieces of my soul that my ancestors took and do likewise and you picture everybody that way and you have a forgiveness ceremony marianne williamson did this unmask you know we should do how we should do that with the Hawaiians we should hold their hands and say we are so sorry about what happened will you forgive us and can we live now that’s what I think we should do and you should do that same with your own subpersonalities you know whatever you

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don’t really like about yourself that’s what you won’t like in others and so when someone else is bugging you all you got to do is say how is that resonating with me if that person so angry do I have an angry part of me that I can’t stand seeing expressed otherwise you won’t give a damn if someone else is angry or not you got it find the needs underneath there you Pan human and we all need love attention affection you got you know I I am enjoying we’re here with dr. Sasha a Lessin this is Jason

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Schwartz at 88.5 FM kak you you know that I am so in you know you say it in your way I feel that same I also boil my world down to love and then you explained it and expanded it out I hope our audience do you can Lessin to a replay of this a lot of what you’ve said you know at Maui neutral zone comm and Facebook live and your own your radio I think that’s really great that you have you have an internet radio show with all kinds of Lessiners and you were talking about the inter inter terrestrial oh

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yeah just you know it people have the government of course has for a long time denied the reality but people have been abducted people have voluntarily a gone onboard craft we have vast experience in contact with extraterrestrials our government has contracts with them the other governments have we have a spaceflight that that you’re not being told about all is nonsense from NASA never a straight answer is not the real space fleet I my wife and I have interviewed many many super soldiers people that are drafted or kidnapped and

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they have to serve term the twenty years and back left we have time travel Lessin you have been you’re living in a dream world I’m telling you when you understand and look at the evidence as we have by the information freedom acts there’s been massive flyovers over Mexico City valiant Thor was in the White House as a guest of the president and you know it’s the truth is coming out just take a look at my website on Facebook or any of the many ways your website at my website is called Enki

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speaks comm co e NK I SP IKS dot c om and we’ve got lots of stuff there but I have lots of different groups on Facebook I have Tantra groups polyamory groups yes that’s me and lots of Anthropology groups and especially extraterrestrial interests really contact you know there’s a whole world underneath the earth there’s a civilization called Agartha headed by the the BOD landers and it’s probably dropping too much on you although that’s good because we’re gonna take a break

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and again nicely this is recorded they can come back and use this as a guide I’m here with a Sascha Lessin we’re gonna take a break for our wonderful underwriters one of them is us and we’ll talk about that but we’ve had really a blessing we’re happy to be here with you hang on and we will be back hang on the neutral zone with me Jason Schwartz would like to thank Maui Arts and Music Association tree makers Foundation of Maui for their support since 1991 with hundreds of television shows and their

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Services in the Ad Council oh how we are back I’m here with dr. Sasha Lessin I’m Jason Schwartz in the neutral zone it’s anything but neutral while we were at break we had a visitor I’m not a visitor from outer space out of our space and he was talking about sonic booms on the ground you were talking about on the ground what were you talking about what’s that was that okay well there’s a vast civilization underground it’s starting from you know the refugees from Atlantis Ettore i went

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underground but way before that in 1547 the the polish King Sebastian sent 200 German soldiers and their wives and their kids and supplies to be on the brazil side facing the Venezuelans on the on the other side and what happened I was the Indians burned their ships and they took shelter in this tunnel and they found there was bioluminescent lichens that were giving him air and there was water under and it was warm and they started making tunnels and finding the tunnels he had other tunnels they found other civilizations there and

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cities were built and finally after generations and generations they reached the South Pole and they broke into this vast higher civilization two really big guys called the bought Landers and they were speaking ancient German and then there’s there was a Norwegian sailor that he and his dad got swept in on the North Pole and after many years being guests of the Baz Landers came out in the end South Pole the evidence is overwhelming Lynch of course the Germans the SS and their Ukrainian a slave wives took

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shelter and the bottle Enders let them come there and then because of Operation Paperclip Allan Dulles who is a Nazi sympathizer let all the Nazis who had been killing people and torturing people take over the United States and the intelligence agencies were von Braun was one of those and and so we and then Admiral Byrd lost the Battle of the Weddell Sea in 1947 the Germans really won and then they got this deal with Dulles so they took over the government and a Kennedy well first of all Eisenhower was was really trying to warn

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us Kennedy tried to go around the the the Nazis who had taken over with his Information Agency but the CIA and Dulles one of course there’s a heck I would you know in a looot joining Johnson got rid of Kennedy’s but what we we have is this Germans system and basically I have led the the outer space race they got their first they had their bases on the Moon and Mars way before we did but I digress it wouldn’t I do want to say that both with the Garza ambassadors that come here and also the

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the extraterrestrials it’s got a bad name that it you’re being abducted usually people if it’s not a military abduction if it’s really an extraterrestrial production people want ultimately to help to be ambassadors we’ve got all these scientific studies by Rey Hernandez and others that show overwhelmingly contact with extraterrestrials is positive people get better by it there are hybridization programs the hybrids are brilliant children that are able to tune into each each other in a

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way that a lot of us can’t you can just see you just there’s a lot that we know about extraterrestrial contact most of the extraterrestrials are humanoid of some kind like us there are the greys which are ultimately part of the Lear ins who fled the Draco’s and there are Draco’s some on each side some of are hostile to us and some that aren’t but overall extraterrestrials care about us and the contact is positive they want us to succeed oh so I’m just only stopping it because first

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of all thank you for sharing this I mean I I think I want to now take what you just said and you there it’s positive they want us to succeed that’s right I want to be able to take all that you said direct people I’m sure they’re going to be wanting to go to sacred matrix and hear more of you don’t share with you and probably this is a hopefully good doorway thank you you know for you to really be exposed to people that might not have otherwise heard about you or know about you in the

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way that you’re able to tie so many things together because of the way you have shared and plugged into the matrix your choice from being a kid with a name to a direction to studying about systems and cultures and coming up with things and commonalities we had a guest here a couple of weeks ago did you ever meet a guy named Paul go tell maybe not Paul is someone very interesting and when his book he has a book called the big u he thanked Joan Joan is your ex and you have a beautiful wonderful wife now

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Janet but Joan who’s so it’s interesting because common ideas and things that are right come together in a matrix and you plugged in and it seems that I do it with art and music that’s what this maui arts and music things all about and the matrix of it and how it can be so when we Mick when you guys see and feel and see how it’s all fitting together and technologies that were introducing with hydrogen and hho and health changes and taking water and being able to create power and all kinds of things that are

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so fantastic they’re somehow an alignment I mean you’re talking about things I may not identify that that idea came from a insight from that came the here but the military has all these things right now they have a time travel they have they don’t have to burn fuels they have a anti-graft and and lots of medical things they can arms back on and all kinds of things but they keep this from the general population because they think if they can just keep their soldiers in better shape than the other

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soldiers they the military mind has got a thing which is keeping stuff that could make everybody’s life easier from us but we know how to do it when you have a patent that works the military will throw you in jail and unlock up your patent and say it’s for national security and they you know it is it as it endangering your security if other people are healthy know it’s time to disclose the information we have and let the extraterrestrials help us and let us help ourselves well you know

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I I hear that and I hear a great I want to say higher wisdom a great wisdom and what you’re sharing I want to boil it back down now we’re on local Maui and you’re the guy that here locally you see oh you know I see you riding a bicycle and I see you taking long distance healthy things and enjoying this wonderful environment and being a great example and health and all the things that so you’re really I want to say a Clear Channel you have a lot of information from many different things

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that you’ve been assimilating and really a leader in thought information sharing giving thank you so thank you for all you’ve done all these years and will continue to do and I guess in many ways a lot of what I’ve learned as really when I say crossed I mentioned about my partner Arielle I’ve been also blessed and having years of different things we have lots of friends Ron Fred the mine-run Fogle and doctor and Elkin who’s up there in cooler there’s great people like dr. Michael howden do

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you know Michael so there are great things that people you know what’s what’s interesting is politically now we’ve seen a shift in our society here in theory that they women have now so I’m curious on your head on how women led societies and where we’re going and what you see okay yeah I’d love to I to do this yeah you know we have this patriarchal bias from our makers but the person that really made the Annunaki not destroy them each other was the sister her name was nimah she’s also known as

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Sekhmet and Egypt when nimah after the bombing of sodom and gomorrah and and Sinai she went to central Anatolia and there in the age of the goddess in with the old Minoan civilization of which he was the head there was peace there was trading there were no slaves the women had high positions and it was only when the Mycenaeans they who basically were led by Zeus who was one of which is one of the names of prince Marv Duke started over throwing the the women’s way then the piece was what was gone then the

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wall the villages were walled in Central Europe then there was caches of arms than women lost their position but women were once showed us what a peaceful society but a peaceful world could be like under nimah the goddess well that that is the most important piece I’m just digesting you through in a lot of names and sometimes as someone’s Lessining I wonder if they’re hearing through the shroud to that message which is women have oxytocin they feel each other they have the chemical basis for

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empathy that a lot of us dudes with plenty of testosterone sometimes forget we’re both and so are they so here we are that’s why I’m bringing it up as a general you know as a student of civilizations and cultures and having lived here all these years you’ve lived in a the regime here which had a very different style then we are seeing now we are hearing now and how it integrates and how they integrate we now have a different lead posture that’s more environmentally sensitive and holistic

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as we’ve gotten deeper into problems and so now with this new leadership I’m wondering how you have seen from what you’re seeing and experiencing locally how the shift is and what you’d like to think our directions things can go from here okay I like Ocasio Cortez oh it’s like I’m thinking about Kelly King and oh yeah yeah yeah Thank You ace because here we have a council so I’m brilliant I’m saying okay say that name again you just gave me for that Ocasio Cortes

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Alexandre she is the hope of America she is a hope for for the world okay okay first of all you keep popping I’m not hearing is no you don’t have to be far away but just when you’re closing your eyes you’re going in and jumping in here oh my gosh so I’m just saying just about here how’s your doing right so you were giving a first name and that’s a new name to me Ocasio right yeah her first name is Alexandra and that her second name is hyphenated Ocasio Cortese she say a congresswoman from New York and

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she’s very controversial and also what’s interesting is is watching how the media as is going around there and different conversations about her she’s very dynamic and is on the scene and will be more here locally though she’s there and I n it’s not that I don’t want to talk about that level I want to talk about first okay the women here and how it relates because our audience is local and so I’m thinking that your insights into what’s you seeing the now this council has voted up and down a number

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of directors that were recommended by the mayor who had appointed a committee and some would say well who’s on that committee how is that representative of all the factions that somehow live and then are they are the ones look who they chose and then they’re a recommendation so with our local culture bringing it back down to like you say a guy like Ron Fullum we all talk about that stuff but this is a hands-on guy helping people in the real-time world so that’s why I’m bringing this down again that’s what I’m

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trying to get to well there’s there’s there’s several things here that I that I personally observed because I ride my bike all along the beaches and there’s a lot of homeless people here in Maui and the you know obviously what we need for homeless people is homes and what a concept and so that’s one thing but the really heavy thing that I would like to bring up is the need for people to be able to have bed and breakfast or air bear B&B or whatever it is without having the

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hotels throw them in jail for they’re trying to run a little business or have some money in their retirement what you’ve got to do you know that is so important and it seems like there’s a grip of these huge hotel and tourist industry people that have get the people they wanted elected and put on boards and every place else yeah this is the government that does it it’s the government that should be a servant of we the people that do things that the government says we can help make that happen easier yes I’d like to

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tell you about a government that did that now I’ll tell you I’ll tell you I’ll tell you who the governor who instituted it later because but what happened is there was this country beautiful country very much like Maui beautiful country and there were lots of homeless people it was under a you know the Mafia rule guy named Batista was ruling this country and the revolution threw him out and Fidel Castro gathered together all those who had no homes and he got groups of five hundred or a

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hundred and then he gave him all the government’s resources of how to build things how to use tools and these people built their own place with government help and lived in it and everybody there is no more homelessness in Cuba and of course he you know it’s a dictator that we have to junk you don’t have to do with dictator but the principle is give people the opportunity to build their own homes the expertise the government can provide and let them build their homes that they live in that they take

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pride in and and the answer is yes as a portion of in the society we are now got so many people that I want to say they’ve lost the skill set because they’ve internalized into these computers and all kinds of things that have made them less there should be housing everywhere there should be solutions everywhere easily I know you’ve been a big proponent of that and have been aggressive in trying to help expand the perception of of help and homes I’ve seen guys take pallets four pallets create he calls them kibbutz

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boxes he had 38 people living in a lot next to the Salvation Army and key a 38 people and the fact is we need to solve these problems and the solutions are there but rules and law and things need to be dressed and also declare emergency so we can do thing all I’m saying is we the people can do things and then if the government gets around to it they tell us so we have funds here and it’s not being allocated and you got 48 forms that’s second we are the people we us you me that’s right and to me that’s it

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and that’s what I see in you you’ll be talking about side about weight and its calories in calories out bicycle riding did it take you did you have to get through a wall oh no I’ve been doing this since I was a very small child what about someone like me like I said I want to lose 10 or 20 feet no it’s really easy the first thing you do is you weigh yourself in the morning the same time before you eat so that you can monitor your progress right just you have a consistent measuring and

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then you use and okay and I it’s my practice to be outside at least three hours a day rain or shine that’s part of my health practice and to sing out loud and things like that and also to honor my contact and withdrawal with other people and so it’s a meditative state to withdraw from other people and ride in beautiful Maui when you’re on your bike you can see all the beautiful landscaping that people have done you can stop whenever you want it’s wonderful it’s easy to be healthy it

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really is I do yoga every morning I study with Gary Kraft so and what if Vinnie yoga comes down to is what does your body need learn to Lessin to it and it’ll show you what to do next and you know and and then as far as eating my gosh grow your own stuff anything processed is is got losing stuff and it’s got weird stuff added grow as much as you can and get enough sleep and make love frequently well I’m not in any specific order will save them make love for a second assess what does this first

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sentence when you’re talking about grow your own you now see a 41,000 acre parcel and it’s now has a new owner we all can grow our own it’s important for everybody to realize that I mean again other day technology we’ll talk about HHO hydrogen that’s almost like super food no pesticide no fertilizer take water create gas and plasma form of something that makes your plants grow better also stops your cancer 170 known diseases all these things that are here and available that in our universe if we

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only are now aware of them we have resources beyond anyone’s understanding right now here on earth at all these problems are all solvable and that’s why I want to be an example place to the world because we’ve been blessed to be on Maui and someone like yourself and just what you were just speaking about you know it all goes together some people sometimes hear me speaking just like you I can see already now you know I tied together the Egyptians and the Anunnaki and the roadside service and a

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hot dog and a Hawaiian and a because it all is a part of one thing here that is much greater you know the word matrix you know has glitz to it because of those movies also yeah but it is an alignment piece I I would say that you know take the adversity that you see in the suffering around you not as a cause to be depressed but it’s a challenge your when you when you see what’s junk it motivates you to alleviate that that’s a great point when you see junk you don’t say it’s junk why don’t you

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fix it well wait you’re there to in this game you can be part of a solution right we have the meta-gene that’s why the other species are so interested in us we can’t invent things in the situations that we need we can see what other creatures and civilizations are doing and even if we don’t know how to do it yet we can figure it out we can work collectively and we have great brain power we are special and we don’t have to be inferior to anybody or anything just give us the tools and our intellects will

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collectively deal with it well see now in a very roundabout way I hope our audience feels our dr. Sasha Lessin just answered my question when I said how does that all relate to what is now and what is here locally because locally all the things that you’re talking about in terms of position boil about them the macrocosm and the microcosm right near those things are impacting what is happening what can happen the potential for change and positive and growing and and to address the air B&B and address

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the homelessness and get our mayor and council to be aligned and for them to be aligned with us you know I always thought I want to be a special agent appointed by the county mayor or counsel but mayor and be able to do things that don’t fit in a government matrix but put pieces together and ideas together so that things that can fit together can happen concurrently to government with a plan and you know and anyway I can see we’re gonna have a lot more conversation you’ll come back on yourself here this

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show is almost gone can you imagine that we’re sitting here talking and I’m sure there’s lots of things that you’d still like to say I can tell you that you’ve been a wonderful guest Thank You Sasha for taking the time to be here my pleasure you know when you we saved about the make more lovemaking for the end but I only have a maybe a minute but with all the things whether it’s making love through physical act the act of making love especially in the idea of a matrix we can all love and be gentle and

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supportive of each other in so many ways that don’t cause controversy and I you know exciting synth elating those have their places love but to me the purity of love means really help and love it’s it’s a reflection of yourself you said it earlier but holotropic you know all this is you know very interesting world we live in and the more you know and understand as I see you do the more interesting it becomes in them people dressed me as angry when in fact I’m just frustrated but I can see in you I

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don’t know if you’re always like this but your delivery is wonderful and warm we only got 30 seconds I I know we’re just gonna have a quick goodbye it’s pleasure to have a hope you’ll come back and join us for sure thank you this has been a pleasure I hope you guys have had fun it’s the neutral zone come back next week and we will see you it has been a pleasure to have you with us this has been dr. Sasha Lessin and Jason Schwartz [Music] hi I’m Chuck sauce it’s a gravy cake it

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