ELAN VITAL 80TH Birthday Bash

Aloha everyone we at the neutral zone it is Monday wow it’s Monday you know the months just keep passing it cheated B only had 28 days in February this year at 29 in fact happy birthday my cousin Donnie. I am here with a friend that I haven’t seen in nine years some of you look and you say who is that guy I know him from somewhere Elan vital welcome back to Maui Aloha thank you for the welcome it’s good to be back Elan vital and many of you who are old enough to know know

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that way back when we were children in 198 80 91 um that’s when I started Maui Arts and Music Association there was a new artist on the scene who was someone that had become my friend there was a whale that was built in ki if you look in the middle of Ki across from Food Land and life of beach that was supposed to be a fountain but right in the middle County and whatever things twisted around it all but that was done by Alon vital who many know is a multimedia artist Welcome to our show I like I said I haven’t seen

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you in so long when I heard you were coming back can you believe this young man is 80 years old my goodness 80 years soon to be but um I tell you I you imagine you’re still doing your art I’ve seen glimpses you’ve sent me but you here on Maui God a whole lot of years and you were really you were in W the shops so I remember for your beautiful gu Gallery there and I remember a gallery on the Hol Luna Road May it rest in peace and uh all kinds of places and a lot of people have tried to copy your

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style but you at the time especially were and are um what do it say you yourself are an art Force remember I remember that g that’s right the art Force Gallery right that’s right you’re allowed to talk what do you have to say for yourself young man well uh I’m glad that I’m visiting revisiting uh friends and the place that really was important to birth me in my world of Art and uh you know I started off living on the beach uh with a blue top above me and started working on pieces of wood

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that I had found like that were washed in and carved them and sold them and then within a few years I was already within cup two years I started building the big whale that you know yeah and donated it to start ecology Park H and uh had to really uh do a lot of Pol politicking to let them accept a gift that was given to them the count of Maui and uh then uh from there on I uh opened up Galleries and finally my grand Gallery in W Lea yeah yeah so that’s what can they still see all that art you

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have another Gallery today still right yes in uh Palm Springs area and I also have a website you know elal galleries.com you guys will see that you at home if you’re on the radio good luck on seeing that it’ be tough to see Elon e l n v t galleries.com beautiful art you’ll probably fall in love right there and then realize that this is the same Elan vitala who has all kinds of different things going on when you left Maui and you you went to California I remember fondly thinking oh Elan is on his boat

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into retirement then I realized wait a minute Elan vital retiring that didn’t go in the same breath and uh you know years kept going by and you know I’ve been busy here on a whole different track and then I don’t know what it is that got us speaking again but uh when I heard you were going to be coming here for your 80th birthday and you said hey I’m coming back to Maui to celebrate with all my I want call them patrons right patrons and Friends patrons and friends wow and uh you’re going to be 80

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years old that is correct I’m on your heels at 74 and I’m still good and I’ve had a hip replacement and a pacemaker what do you got you have a list of things oh I’ve got a lot of good luck I’m a lucky man I’m here and uh you know I don’t like to just talk talk about ills and stuff that because that doesn’t make me feel good or anybody else I like to talk about good things okay and uh you know along with the good things is that actually last year and actually last year last

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January I purchased a a cathedral an 18,000 square foot Cathedral uh in Ohio so now I have a sanctuary for art and it’s a beautiful cathedral built in [Music] 1856 175 years old 40 foot high ceilings and uh what is the and of course churches Cathedrals and uh temples are always the most beautiful buildings and anywhere and they are in themselves the art and the greatest place in art artists could show their work according to my beliefs is in a basically a house of spirit spiritual home which is what a

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cathedral is and what a church is or a temple is I like the word Temple because Temple is non denominated all houses that are uh spiritual can be where spirituality is practiced is a temple so I’m going to take this space that I now was given to I was given to me I Believe by God and I am going to make it uh magnificent uh Temple of Art and uh show off my art and perhaps some other artists and and make it just a beautiful Museum uh where my art will be shown and will be for posterity as well and I

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don’t know exactly what’s going to be occurring I will find my way as I go but I have recently uh found a new thought about uh how I can help uh with medicine and I have a new thought that I’m going to promote to the uh cardia the world of the cardiac uh Physicians and that is about the concept of what of blood in itself blood the life force is blood and blood that is not called coagulated and blood that is actually uh drained from animals because when we eat animals we have to remove the blood

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from them and normally most animals that are now killed are killed by uh being knocking them out and the blood stays within them and it coagulates and goes into the capillaries well when that happens and that is what when they do Harden then you eat it and it goes into your body and it co will uh plug up your arteries and things of that nature they have found that animals that were drained of their blood such as what is used by uh religious Jews because what happens is that the uh Rabbi slits the throat of

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the animal it drops all this Blood immediately and then is consumed later well they found out that the ones who are the most religious in other words those who only eat uh what is called koser animals have the least amount of heart attacks of anybody in the world so when I uncovered that it was g i uncovered that actually just yesterday after thinking about it and found out that is a fact so I’m going to present this to the world and see if I can help they’ve been saying it’s the fat of an animal and it’s not

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the fact of an fat of an animal that’s one fact Factor but BL but heart attacks and blockages of the arteries are caused by Blood which is hardened inside the meat before you consume it and when you consume it you’re already eating that blood which will affect you anyhow when we can change the subject and because basically I am an artist but I also study uh uh medicine so anyhow what else can I say but I’m I’m I’m about what I really am about is lifting the spirit and helping

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people live better and I think that art it itself does that you mean just its existence what you mean any art well art in itself is the highest we can go art is about uh anything beyond ordinary significance it’s not ordinary if it’s art so art it takes us to another level it helps us number one and I mean I believe that the number one thing an artist can actually do is to promote your imagination when you look at work if your imagination starts flying the artist has done a great job because when you imagine and when your

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imagination Soares you are able to think about many many other things that you normally wouldn’t think about that’s interesting um very idealistic I get you and then as an artist I guess that’s where an artist comes from I’m uh living in a world now where my world is I treat what I do as art every day you know I try to be good and think about doing good things so when I use the word art your Creations uh you uplift the spirit and uh the fact that you’re going to build out I guess the temple is already built

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out Cathedral 175 years ago I’m going to play a little clip you guys on the radio won’t hear it oh you’ll hear it but you won’t see it unless you watch at uh dream maui.com which is also Maui neutral zone you go to YouTube Dream maui1 you can also go to Maui stream which is the akaku app it’s also on uh Kaku TV but it doesn’t have all the credits and stuff on there they have this public access rule about not promoting private things well we’re all doing that you know every guest I have

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does that so I like doing that I think when I think of art there’s one more step and to me artists that are already successful like yourself and others you know many of the artists around here we’re ring around the concept that I’ve been holding for so many years that art should should be raising money and awareness about Environmental Solutions and other solutions to take the burden off the already burdened government which is trying to hold up every other program and use their thing to uplift

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spirits and have money to develop Solutions and show them to the world when I think of you I think of O there’s another Beacon of light Elan’s going to have Gallery in East Liverpool Ohio when I first heard it I said well in the middle of Ohio and then as I learned from this clip that you sent me it’s a 30 miles from Pittsburgh so it’s very relevant and very available for all you people all around the world even people from Maui can go flying well it’s not just a gallery it’s a cathedral it

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itself is a work of art well and so is Pittsburgh I’m trying to get them to come to you and he’s worried I already we’re going to show this little clip when you see this clip you’re going to see a few spots this is actually a church when I think about that town I don’t know if any of you offand know the cap one of the capitals of pottery Creation in this country well it was in fact the number one place in the entire world wow for for producing Pottery East Liverpool Ohio and and so 60% of the plates and

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things of that nature that were made for the United States were made there plus other places in the world then of course Mexico and China and all the rest took over the Pottery World right but it was and it’s still a beautiful town it’s just that it’s it’s part of the Rust Belt so the Rust Belt was you know uh from all the way from Miss Mississippi all the way up to uh you know Niagara Falls where is a rust belt and now it’s coming back again as you now hear about well especially when they’re doing this

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thing with tariffs and and trying to get more to happen in the United States is it are some of those facilities just sitting there rusting yes that’s why it’s called a rust belt right now what it’s all coming back now in Ohio you hear about that all the time Indiana now is going to get the largest uh uh Factory for chips uh uh so how far is that from you is that far well Indiana could can be anywhere between 300 to 500 miles away it’s a quick flight yeah so or a drive but that’s in the end then there’s all

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the whole area is going to come back when eventually when uh Manufacturing comes back that will be the whole that will be the center anywhere from Western Pennsylvania uh Southern Ohio and Ohio as well as Indiana and all the way up to you know throughout how far is West Virginia because I know some people there West Virginia in fact from where I where the where my Cathedral is West Virginia is approximately a quarter of a mile so actually East Liverpool is right in the right at the Apex uh between West

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Virginia Pennsylvania so you could get to either one of them uh in minutes matter of fact I go through three states to go to dinner at seven minutes away wow so then there I go because I know people in that area that have been you know these are people with jobs and families that before this massive uh elimination of jobs they were looking and happy with $10 an hour assembly jobs through a high-tech situation I know they’re all going to be thrilled to hear maybe there’s some higher paying things coming

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well what I see this just myself personally I’m not a know it or person that knows the I just feel this is what’s going to happen Trump’s job is what he’s trying to do from what I understand is Bring Back manufacturing to the United States uh by doing tariffs now that means it’ll take a couple of years before we actually start to see that difference occur and I believe that we will have a downside to it prior but by the time this this four years is nearing its end we’ll see what actually has

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occurred and that’ll bring back and Manu and Manufacturing will come back and there we will be stronger by virtue of it it’s interesting isn’t it thinking of all these years since you know we remember when American companies were simply sending stuff across the Texas Mexico border to have them assemble it in Mexico because their wages were lower and then they thought we’d do something with Canada and Mexico and that this big NAFTA thing right North American fa Federal Trade and then they re adopted

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it changes so we’ve gone through a long time of um getting nice low prices and now everything is going to get yeah it’s going to go equalized so when you talk about depression and I like the word but something’s got to bElance it’s like we’re going to have a real we’ll have a we’ll have a in my opinion we’ll have a re a bit of a recession but at the end of two to three years it should come back stronger than it has been and uh that’s the nature of it you can’t expect

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it to but meanwhile let’s talk about good stuff and no no that’s good stuff coming back you know you got I think to understand the good you have to understand the bad right right now we don’t have to delve in it but for sure we have a time of uncertainty that’s why we have things like this this show where good ideas and positive ideas and things that work together to make things work we’re lucky that we live who are here on Maui we can have a self- sustainability model in many different areas from Soup

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To Nuts from tourism to Art to people to food to everything so we have a special thing but when I hear about what you’re doing I’m very excited I’m looking forward to seeing when Elan vital Gallery can bring in other artist see that’s what I want to do I think of you as an a a beacon and a place in the world to align with what we’re doing to raise the Consciousness that art and music Elevate the Consciousness and give them what you say time something to do in that creative time that we’re now

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well in in in the light of that I have a saying thou art thou art art art is a state of being okay you guys got that that’s an Elan vitar quote thou art thou art art art is a state of being all right Elan vital you know I I’m tempted to play that even though we’ve talked about it you want to play that clip yes let’s play the clip this a couple two and a half minutes and you on television that’s for the future we’ll see it let’s see if we can get it nice here without the commercial from YouTube hang on all

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right let’s see come on oh it wants my face ID I can’t do it at that angle all right so I go to my thing I go to here is zon and here it comes let’s listen for sound there’s a new project in East Liverpool turning an old church into an art gallery in community space first news reporter John rder introduces us to The Man Behind the project who’s painting with a broad brush fre L the studio is his Sanctuary now more than ever art takes people up brings the Spirit up so we T tapped into

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the Holy Spirit purchasing the old Lord’s Community Church on Jackson Street in downtown East Liverpool with a vision of turning it into a museum in community space my objective is uh to um bring this town back to where it really should be drawing New Blood to town is just one of his Ambitions hoping to use art as a vehicle to help Revitalize the community the idea of it is to put artists in the empty storefronts down in the a diamond area which is the triangle area which are now empty and put them in there and create a

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beautiful space a Brooklyn native ital has a gallery in California but was looking for a new space to call home when he stumbled onto the stained glass structure built more than 100 years ago it’s magnificent with it beautiful high ceilings and uh go sort of Gothic architecture the renowned artist known for his paintings in sculptures featured at Maui’s ecology park has reached the point of his career where it’s all about giving back because I have some claim in the world of art I can help lift others too if I grow

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friends and I grow goodness that’s my benefit and he feels he’s Liverpool presents the perfect canvas success is measured in happiness I just want everybody to be happy I want there to be more uh opportunity for people to come here stay here grow here John R W 27 first news well that doesn’t do justice to to the man sitting here in front of you you know um is this when you said the diamond area that’s near you yeah well the diamond is the downtown the center of the downtown they

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call it the diamond because three three streets form a diamond over there I see which is the center and that’s where uh the Mercantile uh portion the number one Mercantile portion is with his restaurants and other things of that nature but it is not developed there empty storefronts there sure and so um if I thought the best way that you could Revitalize a town is to create a place where artists can be found working and they would come the 30 miles or or from all around to come visit a town

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that’s an art town it’s been it’s happened all over actually it happened to me in makaa I went opened there I I I got the old bus station and then started a gallery everybody said I was crazy for doing it but it turned out that it was successful and then the town itself maow became known for art as other art galleries popped up there still a few there yeah we had a quiet time but still a few there yeah still yeah you were a leader I remember when you had that whole building and you had your uh place

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in the back where you did work and you had had a gallery space now you see a doctor and a pharmacy and the town has really grown but you were here in one of the Pioneers up there that’s right and one of the things I just was there and I saw that my old at least a portion of my old place is now still available for rental but I’m now I think I’m past that I’m not retired I’m retreaded that’s right you’re not I can’t think of you as I’m retreaded so I will intend to do things

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whether it’s art or anything that benefits Humanity yeah I couldn’t think of anything better than art to really make a difference to the humanity because if I open up everybody’s imagination they can do something so if you open people up they do it so art is that way it does open people up to uh see the spirit all around them and what they might do and then of course if you uh create something which help people physically healthy world like I just described about yeah the blood uh you know that I’m going to

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present that to uh number of different hospitals I did present in the past the idea of doing uh Freez dried uh uh plasma FIS which is then put into a uh pills and distributed to children who cannot digest protein like the kids with the St distended stomachs in plasmo foris plasmapheresis that’s where they take the blood pass it through a machine and it removes the white blood cells the white blood cells are then freeze dried and what it does is it becomes a a supplement children who if you’ve seen

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them in Africa particularly so with extended stomachs they don’t get enough protein so they die from it and they can’t and you can’t feed them protein because they cannot digest it but if you give them predigested protein they can live and get stronger again I presented it to the UN Pro advisory committee many years ago and and PS vam who was the uh Chief over there I presented it to the UN and not much was done but it was it could have been uh one of those things that could have been so anyhow my objective is

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really to benefit humanity and that way I benefit well we it’s interesting to hear you say that so you benefit you man what we do you probably kind of know do you know that the one of the first interviews I did way back one was with this guy in his Gallery there in uh on Central Avenue in oh yeah 89 Central Avenue and you were the in the magazine the first magazine we did we had a nice big front story with you yeah and um boy it’s a so it’s like yesterday to me that was 30 years ago but you remember the

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politics speaking of politics then oh was very different than now I mean the things that I talk about now and we hear everyone talking about we were talking about 30 years ago yeah I remember getting blocked literally now pundy is a statue when before be we had talked about doing great things and then it’s amazing how a little bit of politics blocked things but maybe God’s got the perfect plan maybe the world has grown up and gotten worse so they’ll maybe hear me and you what do you think well

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you know uh I think that more knowledge is one thing and wisdom is another you can have a lot of knowledge doesn’t mean that you have wisdom and wisdom is always never without kindness wisdom requires kindness for it to become wisdom you know and being smart is one thing but one of my favorite Geniuses uh said smart that was farest sounds like my mother-in-law that was farest gum I heard him and I said well smart is is what smart does and the other guy who I like is obiwan Kenobi do your invitation who we you had you had other

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I could but I just yeah what he said he he said he said no no uh no do something like that gu do what I say Luke not what I do no that’s my father yeah you know it’s amazing you know I think that having good from your heart I’ve have found artists now that are they give Art to me to give to organizations to raise money and they we’re doing things in a way that makes artists and musicians the leaders oh I just remembered what he said oh now try do or no do oh that wasn’t Obi-Wan

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Kenobi that was Yoda Yoda sorry that was that was Yoda yod y said no try no try just do do or no do well I I that’s what I always thought about you you are a and still are obviously this retread you know I I really see Vitality in you and a lot of real good dreams that are still going which is terrific oh yeah well I just recently had a grand opening in San Francisco you know four months ago another Gallery no I had an open heart surgery oh a grand open I had a grand opening they open up my chest

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and stop my heart but started it again so you good yes well you see I have a whole new life now that’s why I’m so appreciative of it and I never would felt bad even when I when I went to see the doctors they asked me why am I smiling and I said because I’m going to have an opportunity to improve my life and do more they were serious and I was smiling and cracking jokes you know they couldn’t understand it but you know what that helps you survive too having a sense of humor looking at things

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positively you know and seeing what we could do to make it better and you were still in the game you weren’t lying there to have them mend you and have you marginalized you weren’t marginalized no I I was lucky and I had it happened in in a in a good place to do it here if you get here in Maui if you had a problem they got to fly you over to Queens in OHA Oahu uh so and yeah you were very fortunate probably that I was in San Francisco when it occurred that happened to me in my situation they flew me for

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uh a pacemaker now they don’t have to Maui Memorial has grown up since you left here I hope you can imagine I hope so but you know I also know the the the having things in proximity can be really important I’m glad they very important so your grand opening I see you came through the grand opening I did I’m going to I’m getting stronger every day and by the time I go back to uh uh East Liverpool I will will have also operation on my eyes as I get cataracts and uh so uh it’s wonderful what the

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science medicine can do Etc that’s the reason I’m on its side and I will do what I can uh to help yeah I also I got a hip replacement uh you know all these things that at some points in our past we’ve heard all kinds of stories are really amazing stories now I was in and out like In-N-Out Burger I was in at six o’clock in the morning and out at 3 you know and they say you know by and I it’s now become very common place and with all the advances in medicine hopefully we’ll also learn to adjust what we eat

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that old thing about garbage in garbage out has you know been no question about it the food that we eat is very important that’s a lot of people don’t like Robert Kennedy but a lot of people do and uh there are things that I may or may not agree with but certainly the emphasis on food is very important and doctors just tell you pop pills pop pills you go to the doctor they don’t say what are you’ve been eating they don’t ask you what you’ve been eating and what do you eat and what you should

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or should not eat they say Popa pill well that’s not the way doctoring should be you have the greatest thing that you could do is eat eat well eat the right proper foods and that’s what brought me to my concept of what it is that is hurting people when they eat red meat well it’s not red meat because as I say the or uh the Orthodox Jews eat a lot of red meat but they eat kosher meat that where blood has been removed for it the moment it dies I think when I think about you presenting that the first

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thing on my brain is they’re all Jews they know this stuff lot of them they all know they had to Slit the throat and let the bud they when we were back in New York you know I never thought much about it but we always we co it’s not just Jews because they have they broke down the they broke down the report to five different types really yeah Orthodox heredi uh uh uh hered Orthodox uh standard blah blah blah and they found out the further they got away from the kosher the the more chances there uh

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would they would have heart attacks so they didn’t they followed it through so what I I was blown out this was just yesterday that I found that out it came to me because basically some of the things that they say caused the Heart Attack by red meat you find more of it the TMO that are found in eating fish are five times as much as the tmao that you find in red meat so I said t m a o let’s define for you radio that’s a forget about it well it’s just some kind of measurement it’s what they what they

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yeah it’s like one of these long winded all right but basically they say red meat breaks down to that but anyhow as I read these things and I have them all it takes a lot to be able to round it up but I’m going to present this to some doctors and hope that they can present it further you know here on Maui we’ve lived with the people that were not only vegetarian but vegan over many years and I’m not sure the statistics but it’s extraordinary naturopathic doctor dies another naturopathic doctor dies of

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cancer this one dies of so the both ends of the spectrum you know some people say no red meat some people say no Meats at all and it seems like everybody’s dying well basically yeah it’s a a stress complicated stuff stress is stress is the greatest biggest killer of all stress stress so you know have a good time buddy we learn to enjoy each day laugh a lot like you say how precious is each day this retread until you someone says you know if you didn’t have that pacemaker you’d be dead now or like you

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say he had an open a triple B bypass wow see he had the whole shebang they stopped my heart yeah that’s a big thing literally stopped the heart so when you come back I saw Jesus and my mother and father and my grandparents all there going hey well that’s cool you know it’s funny because uh uh it’s funny how we have these differences in people that are just ridiculous because a lot of the world uh a lot of the people who aren’t Jewish believe that Jesus was killed by the Jews but of course Jesus was a Jew

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and all the ones who were in fact the people who are uh the Saints all of them were Jews and they never gave up their Judaism to uh yeah until they died so we have that’s what I believe that we’re all together as one we’re one people under one God and that God belongs to everyone no matter what we call them or her or it or well I don’t know I don’t know what the only thing I could say about God is that it is and that’s all and you can’t say anything more than that because it’s way beyond our

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understanding so is God lgbtq whatever after the well God is in those people is everything it’s in everything in every molecule it’s in all everything you you know that’s it it is that’s all you can say that’s you think we’re going to start loving each other again soon as a people of Americans I hope so well I’m loving I’m loving everybody and one of the things that I know that I can talk with anybody without carrying on without screaming yelling and pointing fingers

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and whatnot but a lot of people cannot a lot of people cannot talk about subjects if that they don’t agree with what they do is start screaming and yelling and carrying on rather than discussing and uh that’s the biggest problem we have and it’s strange but um I see that as a general rule of people people and uh it’s a disturbing thing families are being split apart by it one generation versus another you’re a republican you’re a Democrat you know you’re an immigrant

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yeah it’s very complicated time we think about all as equal until we want to that pockets of unequal we’re going to make it so it’s really confusing well that’s that’s why I truly believe in the idea of [Music] non-exclusivity I believe in inclusivity and me too A friend of mine recently asked me what’s the difference between religion and and and spirituality well religion is exclusive you’re not my religion you’re not what I believe it’s exclusive but inclusivity

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is you know spirituality in other words everyone is included in this spirit in the idea of spirit and that’s what makes the difference the reason why I don’t say I’m religious although I very much believe in God I believe that there’s some sort of force that I can that I can uh uh align myself with and feel that I’m doing the right thing because of the universe but there is no singular image of what that is and I truly believe I am not intelligent enough and I won’t be intelligent enough to understand what it

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is until I become part of it yeah drop the body and move to a new place and even then even then I mean we have people believe in reincarnation that does that we have people who believe you know in all kind kinds of things so I don’t know all I know is that I truly believe that if you’re doing the right thing you uh will grow okay what is God go odd go OD G OD that’s what G is something good G God is good yeah I was just going the other way OG right and and then what is the de devil devil is the evil the evil

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devil and what’s the opposite of lived l i v e d d e v i l e you know they’re they they re they go against the e at the end devil E I got you I understand lived l i v e d I understand yeah you guys know that they’re backwards anyway these guys right right devile and then then when you think about it to to Dev devile someone is to make them into a devil but we don’t do that right we know we are so fortunate you know you’ve been here and you’ve been there do you think that Maui is different than you s of you

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I’m curious because your eyes have not seen have you been back be in these times these last years I just now have come back and I’ve been with friends so have you seen a big change when you look out you know you I it’s hard for me to understand what it really is now because you have to live it to feel it and I’ve only been back two weeks now three weeks so I don’t know exactly what it is people are kind in general I found that they’re all very nice and pleasant to me since I’m back

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and uh places are somewhat similar though there’s a feeling of not as much loquaciousness there’s not as much openness to it but that’s St we’ve had a couple of major battles recently one was covid I understand that really messed everybody up and that I truly believe that it was handled very very poorly you know I think that’s a common agreed and you know there were a lot of a lot of prejudice Concepts about that we shouldn’t say this or that like the who the the Wuhan lab didn’t it

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started of course it did you know it’s ridiculous to think anything else uh but anyway you know I I’m with you I like to think of did we stop it yes are we better now yes please let’s move on together okay I don’t know why we can’t close the wounds but I guess it’s because the people that are running it somehow want to keep opening these wounds and making sure that they rub it in deep I say excuse me screw that stop it stop it let’s just move on and remember that we are one people and there are

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different concepts of of of the world uh than there were 20 years ago 20 years ago there was only two uh two Sexes now is [Laughter] 500 what is that about you know I think that it is obviously a feeling of people want to feel recognized in this this world I remember when the internet started and it would seemed so innocent and it wouldn’t get in the way but now now people have and somehow have developed their own little isolated worlds they don’t come out and talk cuz they’re not used to talking they have

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new diseases of the mind that have all they’ve created this distance between each other you feel safe behind the keyboard to say you mother you do whatever you want to say you say and then and so it’s gotten uh what is it permissible to be outside your social boundaries and you’re you’ve opened up this whole thing so the a lot of people are not the same strong there’s not a lot of candidates out there that have the nerve to start on the beach and sell some shells and do it now

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they’re doing it online and they’re sitting in their room somewhere sending it off from Pittsburgh and they’re send it around the world it’s different totally different takes a strength than you know they say there’s a the way of the world is changing I hope that uh the hearts go with it and that we can still be in touch with each other in that personal way that’s what that’s what art is about uh really it’s lifting your spirit and people who want to say bad things nasty things with and

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call it art I’m sorry it doesn’t work for me art is not ugly art is beautiful I remember your beauty series as you were beginning and showing yourself art must be beautiful if you can if you want to look at a garbage can full of you know uh uh rot and all that and say gee that’s art well it isn’t it is I wasn’t thinking of that but I got you yeah it is basically uh puant uh decrepit Viewpoint which is not what our art is about art is really this reason why churches and and Cathedrals have always had their

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finest art because they were about lifting your spirit artism designed to lift your spirit if it’s art and it must have craft art all fine art must include craft which is the ability to do something that you choose to do with it not Let It Go by itself you know not it must have your a knowledge of the materials that you’re using and the techniques that you employ if it doesn’t it’s not our right and everyone’s everyone’s material and knowledge behind it we hope has that kind of substance well to

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lot of today a lot of stuff that’s that slopped around oh I understand here we are with the computer it’s again separate from having any kind of Conscious Creation there is computer art that can be beautiful and it’s art you know so it’s another brush it’s another brush and it can be used uh as well uh the question is of course now they have a new machines that they’re using using in in Italy that actually will sculpt you know that uh a sculpture by uh plugging in the uh

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image and people say well what is that is that art it’s done by a machine but somebody’s operating that machine you know right the question is yes it can be art and people may not like the idea that the machine is carving out the the uh uh marble instead of a chisel in the hand but uh we’ll have to see about that of course there’s a the image of a art sitting in a dimly lit artist sitting in a dimly lit room impoverished is very romantic to many but I don’t see it that way Michelangelo was you know doing his

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paintings in one of the most grand places in the world you know the chapel so uh I’m not sure what you were saying there and that that you could be sitting on a beach like you say and taking two stones and carving them and selling them so so um I don’t the poor thing you know that’s a it’s a really romantic image you know some lady who just was 114 said when she met van go he was a dirty nasty son of a so she she didn’t like van go oh don’t forget vanol was vanol was a bit

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insane he actually he did a lot of his work in then in sanitary sanitary I’ve seen some of these AI things take a van go style and create a real estate video in Van go style well that’s okay you could you use art whatever way you want but actually of course Le van G as far as I know from what he had his style his staccato kind of painting is more common amongst those who have uh mental disabilities okay yeah you know I understand I’ve seen artists today that I think have mental disabilities I do

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like I do like his work without mentioning names there were two twin brothers here on Maui years ago and they both did uh I want to say imagination or led by someone who told them what to draw in a more hypothetical world with the gods and and different things in history and yet one style was smooth and the other guy you could tell there was something going on in some different way I always remember that and I thought which guy here is the difficult I didn’t tell which one after a while was it the smooth guy or the the rough

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guy but you get a opinions about the artist when you see their work yeah well I mean like as I say I believe that artists is supposed to lift us other people may not agree with that uh but I think that that’s the purpose of art not toing bring us down not to make us feel lousy not to defile us not to you know uh lower our moralities you know oh you got you but yet like like you was talking earli you like to talk about good things but sometimes you have to do things and and talk about things you don’t like so like

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Lily Townsen would say if it’s not fun don’t do it and if you got to do it make it fun right well that’s that’s also true yeah you know but we get through it I mean like here not everything is ice cream and cake there stuff going on but we have to give something to it I think to make it better you if you can’t get enough of the bad things by watching your uh iPhone or iPad or telion uh television about the news of the world then then you’re not seeing anything and in fact why would an artist need to do

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that when we got enough ugliness and enough pain and all around us with being bombarded by all these channels and stations and sites that that do their best to uh Annoy Us to do you know oh look at it well they they’re trying to incite us inite us because that gets our attention like nobody turns away from a from a fight or or or an auto accident when we pass it people are attracted they’re attracted to uh uh uh um Sensational well yeah things that are Sensational but more than that things that are

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uh negative like uh Auto like an ax and fight or whatever we are that’s our nature What’s happen What happen what’s that so they do that every station does that first they say you won’t believe your jaws will drop to the ground you know because that gets your attention and gives them one of the five things you need to know before you come to Maui you know like they have these headlines that are Sensational right you know and it’s all to incite you to involve you so that’s why art if you

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want to get you get you get get attention put a banana B uh on a wall tap it to a wall some will pay you a million dollars for that banana tape to a wall because you know clus Olden remember those de years ago with those very unusual presentations but they weren’t I don’t know they weren’t evil intented now I think like you’re talking about all that stuff many were created with that Sensational in mind when they did it they weren’t trying to create art they were trying to create incitement

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incitement and other things somebody follow this oh yeah look what I bought I bought the banana on the wall you know because it’s a matter of uh uh of Tit for Tat I did I paid more money for this piece of garbage than you did you know uh but anyhow I’m sorry for speaking in that manner but no you know you don’t have to ever be sorry I uh I just that does upset me to see that uh and of course I truly believe art is to lift us make us higher larger more connected to the universe you know that’s what it’s

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about in my mind and you that’s exactly what as I say all the great places that showed art throughout time did and those places were all churches synagogues temples do you have a name for your place yet well I I was thinking to call it El lal’s uh Art Temple Art Temple okay Art Temple reason I chose Temple more than church I like the word church too but church is more denominational see Church means usually Christian places and not that I dislike that but I like the idea of having the world and

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whether you’re doing Buddhism or or uh basically the difference between a a church and a temple a temple is the physical place where uh things are hell that means we’re grown out of time holy mackerel we only have 40 seconds left well so my dear friends Elan vatal was really good to see they tell me Jason you can’t see talk about eyes thank you for coming along happy birthday may you every birthday that comes be a blessing to you yes Jason well we just got cut off inside that shows you blind men shouldn’t run radio

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boards Elan thank you for joining us today I hope that everything in your life goes beautifully we didn’t get to say it before but uh you my welcome guest you’re always welcome back here alohan thank you so much what