The hosts, Scott and Jason, greet viewers and mention the neutral zone platform and multiple YouTube channels.
Scott shares a personal medical update about his right hip joint replacement surgery, highlighting the rapid recovery and his enthusiasm to be back on air.
The conversation briefly touches on public curiosity about Jennifer’s return, clarifying this is not a typical entertainment show but a serious talk platform.
[02:05 → 06:37] Controversy Over EPA Award and Environmental Cleanup:
The EPA received the 2024 Samuel J. Haymon Service to America Medal for their handling of the Lahaina fire environmental cleanup, an award likened to an Academy Award for environmental work.
Scott and Jason express incredulity and skepticism about the EPA receiving such high praise given ongoing frustrations with the cleanup and management efforts.
The discussion highlights issues of self-assessment and bias in awarding bodies and government agencies, with a comparison to self-grading in education.
They note the EPA’s approach lacked transparency and effective local engagement, emphasizing the disconnect between federal agencies and local realities on Maui.
[06:37 → 09:47] Maui’s Housing Crisis and Immigration Impact:
Maui has seen an influx of approximately 3,000 undocumented immigrants over two years, contributing to housing stress.
Many people displaced by fires and other crises have become homeless, with rental prices skyrocketing (some rents doubling or tripling), making affordable housing scarce.
Credit score requirements and high deposits further restrict access to housing.
The hosts discuss the dilemma of how to assist people who do not qualify for government aid or housing programs.
[09:47 → 12:26] Mental Health System Failures and Federal Policy:
Reference to the 1970s deinstitutionalization movement sparked by “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” leading to the closure of mental health facilities.
The burden shifted to hospitals and the criminal justice system, creating systemic failures in mental health care.
The panel laments the lack of funding and infrastructure for decentralized, local mental health care.
There is a call for redirecting military spending (citing Ukraine conflict) toward domestic social programs such as mental health care.
[12:26 → 20:15] Political Alignments, Distrust, and Election Reflections:
Scott and Jason discuss their differing political views, with Scott supporting a “coalition of sanity” and Jason expressing discomfort with Donald Trump and his political influence.
Discussion about Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s controversial alignment with Trump, reflecting tensions within the Democratic party and broader political realignments.
Both hosts emphasize the importance of local governance and distrust of centralized political power.
The conversation critiques political party dynamics and leadership choices, highlighting disenfranchisement and political polarization.
[20:15 → 27:56] Federal Government Failures and Maui’s Environmental and Social Challenges:
Criticism of federal decisions affecting Maui, including the failure to address the toxic waste at the Lahaina temporary dump site effectively.
The EPA’s award is perceived as out of touch with on-the-ground realities and ongoing environmental harm.
Local groups and individuals have spent significant personal resources to research and seek solutions but have been ignored or stifled by federal bureaucracy.
The hosts emphasize the need for local control and action rather than reliance on distant federal agencies.
[27:56 → 35:30] Media Manipulation, Information Control, and the Internet’s Limitations:
Discussion about media bias, misinformation, and the manipulation of political speeches and narratives.
Challenges with accessing unbiased, factual information online due to paywalls and censorship of academic resources.
The hosts highlight how the internet is monetized and used for targeted advertising, often exploiting viewers’ emotions and political biases.
Reference to the Patriot Act’s removal of FCC controls over subliminal advertising on the internet, implying increased vulnerability to manipulation.
[35:30 → 41:18] Local Initiatives and Community Efforts:
Praise for local Hawaiian organizations and activists (e.g., Eddie Garcia and Akaku) working to address environmental and housing issues despite federal neglect.
The hosts underscore the importance of local knowledge and grassroots efforts in creating meaningful change.
They lament the lack of federal support and openness, describing a “closed-door” attitude from agencies and political powers.
[41:18 → 49:44] Political Polarization and the Future:
The hosts reflect on the current political landscape, including speculation about potential presidential candidates like Tulsi Gabbard and JD Vance.
Discussion about political tribalism and the difficulty in finding trustworthy leaders who prioritize peace and local needs.
Emphasis on the appeal of leaders who advocate for being “at the table” to influence decisions rather than being marginalized.
The conversation touches on the media’s role in amplifying divisiveness for ratings and the difficulty of navigating complex political realities.
[49:44 → 56:19] Final Thoughts on Local Empowerment and Call to Action:
Both hosts advocate for decentralization and empowering local governments to solve critical issues like housing, environment, and mental health.
They stress the need for community engagement and sharing of ideas to pressure decision-makers and create sustainable solutions.
Reminder of historical principles from Jefferson and other founding fathers emphasizing local governance and self-determination.
The show concludes with encouragement for viewers to participate, share content, and bring their voices to the platform for constructive dialogue.
Key Conclusions
[02:05 → 06:37] The EPA’s award for the Lahaina fire cleanup is viewed as a disconnect between federal accolades and the failure to effectively address local environmental and health crises, illustrating systemic issues in federal oversight and accountability.
[06:37 → 09:47] Maui’s escalating housing crisis is aggravated by federal neglect, immigration pressures, and inflated rental markets, demanding urgent local solutions that account for the real needs of displaced and homeless populations.
[09:47 → 12:26] The historical dismantling of mental health infrastructure has led to widespread systemic failures that disproportionately affect vulnerable populations, calling for renewed investment in decentralized and community-based mental health care.
[12:26 → 20:15] Political divisions and distrust in both major parties complicate efforts to find effective leadership, emphasizing the importance of voting based on individual records and commitment to local empowerment rather than party loyalty.
[20:15 → 27:56] Federal environmental and social policy decisions often fail to incorporate local voices and expertise, underscoring the need for decentralization and greater local control over resources and recovery efforts.
[27:56 → 35:30] Media and internet platforms contribute to misinformation, polarization, and emotional manipulation, creating barriers to informed public discourse and civic engagement.
[35:30 → 41:18] Despite federal shortcomings, local activists and community groups provide hope and practical pathways forward, demonstrating the power of grassroots efforts in environmental stewardship and social welfare.
[41:18 → 49:44] Sustainable political progress requires leaders who prioritize peace, local interests, and genuine collaboration, moving beyond polarization and media-driven narratives.
[49:44 → 56:19] The future success of Maui and similar communities depends on reclaiming local governance, fostering civic participation, and embracing innovative, community-led solutions to housing, environment, and health challenges.
Important Details
[00:42] Scott’s hip replacement involved an anchor and took a little over an hour, with rapid post-surgery mobilization.
[02:54] The Samuel J. Haymon Service to America medal is a prestigious national award likened to an “EPA Academy Award,” awarded to EPA’s Lahaina cleanup efforts.
[07:16] Maui reportedly added approximately 3,000 undocumented immigrants in the past two years, exacerbating housing shortages.
[08:28] Rental prices have risen dramatically, with examples of one-bedroom apartments costing $2,300 monthly rent and $4,600 down payment, plus credit score requirements (e.g., 750 minimum).
[09:10] The 1970s deinstitutionalization of mental health care was influenced by “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest,” which led to closure of state mental health facilities.
[27:21] The temporary dump site at Lahaina is inadequately managed, with toxic levels in the soil preventing safe clearing of land around house footprints.
[33:07] The FCC lost authority over subliminal advertising on internet media due to legislative changes, increasing the risk of covert influence on viewers.
[36:05] Local activists like Eddie Garcia have personally funded environmental research and housing solutions costs in the tens of thousands of dollars.
[40:36] Media ratings have been shown to be financially motivated, with networks prioritizing programming that fuels anger and polarization.
[45:31] Decline of Maui’s agricultural economy (sugar cane, pineapples) and union wages has contributed to economic challenges and job losses.
[46:12] Rising food and dining costs make it difficult for residents and visitors to afford everyday meals, impacting quality of life and tourism.
[51:57] The Navajo Nation is cited as an example of federal housing failures where decades of neglect have left communities without basic infrastructure like running water.
[53:36] Qualified mental health workers are leaving due to excessive paperwork and systemic frustrations, worsening care access.
[56:19] The hosts encourage viewers to access content on YouTube channels Maui Neutral Zone and Dream Maui, promoting civic engagement and idea sharing.
Transcript
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[Music] good morning everyone it’s September 9th 9924 we’re at the neutral zone there’s Scott and I’m Jason Aloha good morning boy I I was saying when I came in Scott you want this seat he said no no no I like that seat I like it over here we’re here at the neutral zone Maui neutral zone.com you can also find us on YouTube Maui neutral zone dream Maui we have dream Maui 1 two 3 and four Scott wow and uh all that was was retrieving archives and kind of saying wait a minute let’s put it all out there for
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people to enjoy there you go and um but just so you know because Scott Bushnell has been my summer replacement host uh he he calls me the bionic man now now that I I had what I thought was an In-N-Out burth experience it was a little bit more they replaced my right hip joint and you know when I watched the little simulated video before it started I saw they went in they they separated Zip Zip Zip and I stopped I said oh that’s great I don’t want to really see it but afterwards and I see they really
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they put a an anchor and a whole thing big deal in in better a little more than an hour rock and roll had me walking out of the hospital and see all the guests were calling in saying well when is Jennifer coming back and I go no it’s not that kind of surgery well I thought about that it could be that I mean you could do that stuff now in just a heartbeat I don’t know and I don’t know that’s the stuff that you know you have to have the right chemistry to even Envision that I I I don’t want that chemistry that’s not in
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my JY I am so happy to be back and mostly I’m happy to be back I’ve enjoyed the time that we’ve spent on the air please jump in don’t wait for me no no you know I I just here I don’t want to slap you in the face but I read the news this morning guess what so according to this morning nonpartisan nonprofit partnership announced today the 2024 Samuel J haymon’s Service to America medal winners award goes to the epa’s handling of the Lina fire environmental cleanup it won an award or they won the
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top award in the nation for the best not me it’s not in here okay no no but yeah it’s um it’s the EPA equivalency to winning an Academy Award for the best handling link it’s on Maui news now it just came out well that is just an absurd yeah I read this and I went oh Jason’s gonna love this did you see that what’s that Tony our engineer came in and pick up a phone that was ringing right here oh wow neither you nor I even knew see we’re a call and talk show we don’t even know when a call is
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ringing I heard it ringing oh my gosh but I didn’t know to pick it up so yeah it’s like hey that really is an absurdity considering that the first thing on my agenda when I come back is to check in with everybody I know related to the olalo ex temporary site yeah yeah I I how is that a possibility Jason um they it’s this is part of the world we live in today as that everyone grades their own papers you remember that have you ever taken any college classes where the professor said how do you think you did
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Scott I went I I’m just freaking amazing but yeah the reality is you know is that really true it is well that’s what’s kind of going on in the plan I guess what actually this is a nonpartisan non hear me I can’t hear me I want to make sure we’re balanced and show okay can you hear me I can hear you loud and quick I’m only hearing you from in the room I’m not hearing you on your mic very well all right well how about that I’ll that’s a little bit better yeah you
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might pick your mic up a bit all right so I’ll get closer there you go okay anyway I think that what’s happening here is really absurdity the FDA we we talked about it before you put it the EPA they don’t have things in their um choices and to get an approval for such a thing okay there we go thank you Tony he’s amazing he’s the host with the most he is and he has his own show four days know if you want to find out hey Tony I got a question for it we can’t find the movie 28 days but we’ll get to that
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later 28 days yeah send a bullet yeah yeah can’t find it it’s streaming somewhere we’ve been looking we’ll get back to here we are the EPA winning their Academy Award I think Sandra Bullock is more important I probably you know I think when I realize that we’ve had all these solutions that have been in existence more than existence for decades that haven’t been approved right and then we were given an abortion plan and now it’s considered the best in the country for the year Y
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is uh almost you know I don’t know if they can throw me off the internet because I think that that’s a lot of Hoy no we we’ve all got different opinions and I I honestly you know 30 years ago I was serving on a a committee they’ve destroyed our housing on they have we have people just that alone they swath they should help everyone on Maui I know people that weren’t in the burn zone are now in the homeless Zone because they they were so much stuff has happened so we have 3,000 new uh non-documented
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immigrants on Mali in the last two years but they’re living somewhere well 3,000 undocumented yeah okay that was on the um Department of uh immigration standards and that does that mean they don’t want to tell you who they are they don’t know who they are this is their estimate for each of they have breakdowns at each of the islands so we’ve added 20 million people to our role that we don’t know who they are but they’re living somewhere so if we subtract half of that out we should have
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room for everybody to have a home only problem really is in my mind the thing that really is is when I think of those numbers and we should have and we could have when here we are now I I’m sure that all those people not all of them are rapists no no you know just come through the door but but I also say now but we when someone doesn’t qualify whether they’re in h makua and they don’t have enough points to qualify for a bed what do you do when you’re right so here these people they came and here they are
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now and clearly there’s a in the mix if you look closer you’re going to find more things absolutely but in my mind for the most part it’s people that are living yeah what do you do with the people that don’t now that you’ve taken that’s what FEMA people did yeah they took people out of places they were living paid huge numbers huge numbers huge numbers that now threw off the rental rates everywhere oh yeah mine’s up by 500% and can’t roll back and it’s I saw someone that was pushed out had
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two weeks the person was going to pay for 3 months and uh wait it suddenly changed when a one-bedroom was 2300 right 4600 down payment that’s a one bedroom in while and a 750 credit score oh I forgot about credit scores yeah oh my god so let’s step back here so what do we do I mean you know well Jason we we we had this strange event in the 70s um we all most of us back in the 70s and ‘ 80s read One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest that was just just okay Lark book we had in high school do you
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guys know that book you should oh you should know one keny okay yeah Ken key and then we had this movie uh Jack Nicholson his breakout movie One Flew Over the cuckoo no great movie filmed at the Oregon uh in Oregon there it and what it did was it shined a very dark light on our mental health programs across the country and all of a sudden funding for State Mental Health Facilities dried up and they quit sending and they quit funding mental health facilities in-house mental health facilities and they sent that burden
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over to the hospitals and the sad part is a large part of that burden went to our correction system and I can guarantee you that if we took one fraction of what we sent to Ukraine to buy guns and ammo and bombs we could have built billion dooll facilities in every state to help with people who are not criminals but need more care in house we don’t have those anymore we we we you know why I want to stop for a second because I’m just coming back and wanting to celebrate being back and and
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what you brought up the first thing I hear is and and I put this in a funny way because Scott I wonder when we look at this and we say okay here’s changes that we propose we want to do yeah but when you compare it to Ukraine now it’s getting political meaning it’s just money just no but but I’m saying I want our audience to hear the issues in a pure impure yeah because whatever the money went for you know uh it’s absolutely true yeah we just we just need to spend it at home you and I
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have lived me probably more I’m old I’m 73 oh God okay so what that means truly is that when you talked about having decentralized Mental Health Care local taken care of as part of the regime of life that suddenly got calized into a hospital and then they became sort of the outcast then with all the things going on with with technology and everything and funding it became something that wasn’t in someone’s face and then marginalized marginalized and then expanded spot on spot on is that a
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good summary that’s an excellent summary so now that I know that when I’m going into let’s say this election season right I don’t want to put someone in who believes good things that also is susceptible to being part of something to being part of the cabal or part of the but I even think of the Trump thing I have such a deep deep uh challenge with Robert Kennedy’s decision for example to align with and tells that this guy and you could say oh no he wasn’t whatever his character he’s
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gonna be a good president even though he does this and just don’t put your daughters near them and you know it’ be cool whatever I’m say and now we’re not being political I have I don’t know Donald Trump is an abortion well I I I think the big question here Jason was it’s not Donald Trump I think it was the hijacking of the democratic party and you know 12 million people voted for Joe Biden and they’ve been disenfranchised well anyway when I cedy a life generational Democrat got shunned
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well I what I see is that for Kennedy to align with the party in power makes no sense he’s running against that he’s that’s not the party 12 12 out of the last 18 years or no 12 out of the last 16 years the Democratic party is the party of power you’ve mixed that up oh wait wait wait no I’m not looking at any of that I’m looking at I’m talking about my understanding of RFK and that’s why I’m saying right right right cuz I you’re bringing it into other pieces that I appreciate yeah and
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you know when I you know I was working on RFK Comm yeah but you also know that I’ve been nothing if anything green I’m right now green party now what does that mean that is right when I look at my my tenants of what I ran on and still run on now the Coalition of Sanity I read it right I I was spot on 30 years ago right I’m still on that and you align with Bobby Kennedy perfect so and I do but I can’t endorse uh I can’t endorse Trump well I think all we’ve got Jason he’s either
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pro- war or you’re pro peace we are right back to the 70s we don’t Democratic party hasn’t put anybody in Legally as far as they broke all their their committee rules to do what they did and I think that upset telsey it upset Bobby it upset countless people across the board I don’t think anybody want to vote for Trump we just don’t have a choice well I that’s where I have the greatest challenge don’t vote well not my my greatest challenge is that I um am totally blocked on Trump that’s
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fine that’s my challenge that is and um I don’t know KLA Harris but I don’t take a big paintbrush and think that all the Democrats have swallowed the Kool-Aid well I you can see something on TV and again when you talk about individual things right right I mean yes I felt real comfortable with Bobby Kennedy until his alignment with Trump well I just look I don’t need to even talk about it it doesn’t align with my heart which what aligns with me is Bobby Kennedy being the head of the
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Department of interior that’s going to be in charge of all environmental things in United States if that is what eventually happens that’s what going to happen I can be comfortable with whatever I see look at now you just said you started your thing with guess what the EPA got an award so Jason’s listening yeah he is right yeah I was shocked Jason I mean I honestly read that in the parking lot I I was just like wait I’m going oh my go well said SC yeah I was like wait a minute um you
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know here’s all these really good people you’ve had in that are very dialed into the environment I’m like okay what I and what I do next time I show up here I will definitely have some background on this award and these people and all of that when you say the next time you show up oh Jason you’re back and you’re black you’re here no but you know I already talked to you about doing a spin-off show oh God we don’t have but we have and just I you know I’m trying to find I’ve done a
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thousand shows over the last 30 years so I going and finding them and I say okay I started four YouTube channels there you go and I so and then I I have one on Vimeo and so it’s like but then at my our men’s group yeah by the way they miss you oh I I I just need to get my head out anyway they’d love to see it I um at the men’s group when I was talking about should I continue the website I don’t have the money to pay this guy in India the whole deal I realized when he said it he called it I
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used to have an ego this guy makes millions of dollars a year he’s a speaker speaks to CEOs all around the country and he I used to have an ego website but it was we really didn’t need it yeah so well yeah I’m bringing that up for you are great at what you do I don’t agree at some of the things only only in the fact that if you were sitting on the button I would feel comfortable that I could sit and talk to you and you would make the right choice right I do know that you favor decentralization which I favor so how
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did that go the green this not green it’s decentralization I don’t think it is Republican I got to get this party stuff and blow it and have a I call it a coalition of Sanity I started it 30 years ago I still have it let’s let let’s just roll this back I you know while you were gone I’ve been talking about Jefferson Ellsworth Monroe all these and I’ve been read I’ve been reading those papers and Jefferson keeps coming back to this this point in all his supportive documents during the uh
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Congress and that saying it is best our government is best served locally which was re which has been reverberated through president through the years it’s like Maui takes care of Maui first and then if we need some help you know buying something to build something that’s one thing but if you just want to come in here and tell us what to do that’s another thing and I think we’ve crossed that line across the country where instead of what’s good for my neighborhood what’s good for my kids or
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my grandkids schools might not be good for somebody in Upstate New York so why should we have a centralized area telling us how to run our schools run our neighborhoods run our environment our environment I I mean I really truly say in the last decades solutions could have stopped the abortion that they gave an award if they were local they would have but I’m saying here we are we’re living it that’s why I’m saying look what and I went straight for the jugular did I dialed you in and you were
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a bulldog you did it I’m I’m sorry you think no you no you were perfect you were spoton but the overwhelming issue was we were fighting against centralized or government versus local government that was the bottom line it it had nothing to do with the that’s again why I say when I’m thinking of that the person as president no matter how much we can agree I don’t trust the Trump president okay that’s all but I agree with what you said I can agree with whaty gab said I can agree with
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what anyone said when I saw Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney voting for Harris that’s a way of well it’s specifically saying not this guy no what that said to me Jason how I feel well when I when I read that I was like who made nine out of the last decisions in the Middle East decisions to what to how we went to war in Iraq how we went into Afghanistan who was that Dick Cheney anybody anything that Dick Cheney does I’m going the other way well that’s an interesting thing again I because an idea aligns with some
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guy that we have a challenge with doesn’t put me in the frame of mind to vote for a known toxic presidential choice well that’s that’s that’s your Jason I just I just want to know the record I vote on people’s record but just like we say it’s all all birds of a feather flock together how does a CI how do you we don’t flock nowhere I don’t flock with dick chain but you do now well an idea can you imagine just can you imagine 20 years ago the head of the CIA speaking at the Democratic National
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Convention can you even fathom that even in the 80s and 90s no no and yet we go no I look at the world right now as sort of like someone took the guard rails off conventional they did and they said everything’s conventional we all are our own Universe we all fit together you know and I I can believe in all homogeneous but I also am aware that people’s people don’t draw lines they don’t know us and them they also don’t know whose idea is whose which idea is real what is real what is Memorex how do
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you pay for this we have ideas and we don’t care what it’s going to cost and we should just bomb them we should know it’s so unreal right now I I just want somebody that’s never started a war well again I when I hear that I think to myself yeah me too yeah but I know that in in New York City when Trump didn’t pay those people he started a war people no again I I’m saying way that’s pretty that’s that’s pretty loud brush to stroke with somebody’s private business
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no I’m no it might be a loud brush but I am very happy to use it well you do you do it frequently no but no but I think it’s important for me to say um black is black and white is white in the way I feel I I’m only talking about me right I don’t think that there’s other people that should judge by what I judge by let them put their own finger on the scale when they see how much coin of course right so um let’s look at it this way have you ever had a business where you haven’t been paid by a
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client ever had a business you ever owned a business where you haven’t been paid of course yeah see I I got I’ve when I had a little handyman deal when I was in southern Oregan when I was doing my rehab for my neck I was doing small projects I had a a company fold on me and it cost me $40,000 I I it’s just the risks of business if somebody doesn’t if your quality of work doesn’t show up no I guess I guess it’s just as simple as I saw the first time no matter what anyone will tell me yeah my reaction to
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the first round of trump and after the election no matter who had happened whatever there are better choices than Donald Trump and I am not comfortable with him feeling like he is above every law I would love to see the laws he as he’s president he’s we’re going to push it back until after after the election to see how we’re going to penalize this as long as we can quit quit giving promotions to people that uh have been failing at their jobs I’ll be really happy and I think that’s across
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the board I think that’s what I opened with today I opened with getting a big award for what Jason and I somwhat feel that someone failed at their job in Laina with removing they’re in the middle of failing right now right and they got an award for it there we go there is Case in point at what needs to be fixed what is that keep giving awards to people are failing doing what what would Donald Trump do to help Maui I I I I think that now okay let’s dial that back what has Donald what will Donald
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Trump do he’s already done it he’s going to have Bobby Kennedy in there in charge of our environmental practices and that to me is a win-win that guy has been a hero in the Environmental Green and if that happens and it proves to be a positive thing I’m all for it but I don’t see Trump or Kennedy winning the state of Hawaii so from where I live uh right now well when I watched the Trump rally the other day when I passed it out on the Pani and it was over three miles long I was like wow that kind of surprised
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me what what on the PE Lani Highway yeah there was cars for three miles with Trump banners and everything just down the road wow that’s different yeah I was just going to get something Home Dep on it well that’s a shock and they actually went down South Road it was pretty cruel I would I’ve never seen anybody get that never anything like that before I was like what what what that’s an interesting time I was thinking oh there’s just a couple cards and then I went oh man this is
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going to stretch all the way to call Louie wow yeah I was like what the heck good for them I hope that I hope that you hear what I said no matter good ideas and I want to implement them here with those that are here and I like decentralized power right okay but I believe that if there’s Federal dollars collected that could come to us right we should say thank you absolutely no I with the rules with a cave with a caveat I cannot I cannot believe temporary dump site or temporary disposal site with a future thing that
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we spend all that time identifying and then we choose and then they can’t get it so what so there still done now we’re done with the dumping of the stuff in M we’ve cleared it all here’s your gold star here’s CLE the footprints of the houses but the land around the footprints they don’t get cleared we know that the toxicity levels already by knowing what’s happened in history is at a level where nothing is safe nothing is safe there nothing is safe there and that’s that’s worth a
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vote for Bobby Kennedy what about ola what are we going to do about that we’re going to talk for how long until we do what we have one rain star we give him another gold star give him another gold star for that great job well again let’s just say that Kennedy and Trump don’t make it in so they disagree well again so here we are so what’s the difference in the activity we would take remember we’re not going to rely on them what are they going to do to help they’re going to help bring money but the plan has to
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be what are we going to do who’s that is that you mayor Bon and you Council you that you that are running for Council we have a real problem here we know that you could box this stuff up send it to the middle of Utah I mean if you I had eight or nine shows on this mhm when you were in the middle of you know brought me that story yeah there you go I I that I’m not rested on my Laurels I have people in my world like Scott who sounds like he likes Trump but I appreciate I like Bobby like you don’t like Trump as
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much as you like some of the people I like telsey and I like JD Vance well we’ll talk about him in just a minute that’s how you get back on the show you you go I just bring up everybody that pisses you off there you go JD Vance but I think what pisses me have you watched his movie oh yes wasn’t that nice it doesn’t feel heartfelt it’s true story I read the book too well again you know you sound like a a what do they say a subject changer you know when when I if I was having a
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debate and I was having Tulsi lessons I would you know or um who’s the other guy I heard about Matt Gates he’s a piece of work by himself you he’s another story he’s got to be a piece of work otherwise he wouldn’t get any coverage well he well then that’s why he gets covered ex right he’s a piece of well here’s my here’s my here’s my prediction for 2028 I see JD Vance and telsey Gabbert as the President and Vice President well that’s a scary thing telsey Gabbert picks up the phone
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generally speaking and she has been a great and that’s another asset for Hawaii cuz she will be in the cabinet she’s welcome to join us if you can get her wow not any she’s everywhere no I’m just thank you she’s welcome to join us if you feel you can get tulsey gab to come here or Bobby Kennedy oh you know Eddie Garcia who was on our show and is the Westside guy right Eddie Garcia you guys remember all these shows he’s the farmer and he’s training people and helping them with
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housing and doing all anyway right right right good man that’s why yeah now I had a Federal level I can’t give the ball to Trump okay why is that a problem well no it’s it’s it’s common with a lot of people what’s common with me yeah because of uh programming you know cognitive behavioral change is what I teach and we we it’s been weaponized and used against the our population so how do we stop this well back when they did the pat how do we get it where when it’s
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all done whether it’s KLA Harris or Donald Trump Trump you and I will stop our dialogue about it and start doing things to help each other on a more tangible way that’s going to I think real difference just making it sure how we going to love each other again I think everybody does I think everybody does the only reason anybody’s even watching the media is because it either feeds their anger or reinforces their belief system they’re not watching it for information anymore it is you
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actually have to buy into a university website now which I’ve had to do because it is impossible to use Google any of the search engines and actually get information you have to pay a university to get into their Library where nothing has been and if it is opinionated there is a caveat and there is a footnote to the author and their their their push yeah you the internet is the real internet’s not free and that’s what lot of that is the hugest message in the world the world needs to know is the
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internet’s not free they’re using you they’re using your information they’re using everything you click on to sell you something or Target your harsh feelings for one person or love of the other person to create an advertisement that makes you want to buy back at the Patriot Act let’s go back to 9911 we had this Patriot Act there was I hated the Patriot Act but there was one thing in there that they removed which would increase the control by the FCC to make sure there was no subliminal
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advertising on broadcasts of media over the Internet so if you go to a movie you watch you watch network television they can’t put subliminal programming in their advertising or anything because the FCC monitors that the internet has absolutely no rules about putting those Flash that you can’t see that program your brain I’m not sure exactly why you’re bringing this up because we being used well now that we know that well I think we do well wait do we well I think people how many people give it as much
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thought as you have probably very few I I I have a covy of friends that actually go that we bounce off each other and go what did you get you know and it’s like when I watch well when I re when Trump was president and this is something that was really kind of throwing me a curve because I was going through I was spending a lot of time in the hospital back then and I would catch the news I would see a broadcast of his speech and then I would go to the white house.gov and read the read the text of
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the speech and I would go well they left that out they left they they moved this paragraph around they moveed things around and I’m like going well wait this is a this is a direct transcript from the president of the United States on official pages and it’s different from the pieces I’m seeing on network news and I’m not talking about just one station or there I’m talking about all of them they either sway or move things or move words around to either sell this or sell that because if
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they didn’t our Republic process is so boring it is really boring and tedious there is no flash there is no glimmer and glash and fireworks it’s just hard grinding out of subjects it’s like you getting in the folks on island that are really vested here and talking about how their issues and how they’re not being resolved but we have to talk about it it’s this La entity off in Washington DC that won’t come in and give you their side of the story so there we go we’re back to that centralized decentralized
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idea cuz you brought in brilliant fraking people Jason to talk about the environmental impact of what happened in Lina but I was gifted with what akaku and these Hawaiians along with Eddie Garcia did you see I just noted it and thought it was worth more than just sitting on Public Access TV yeah that’s all absolutely and when I when I started following what you clear yeah didn’t put that together no that was the people on the west side that put their money where their mouth is Edie of them spent 40 or
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60 Grand oh easily to get that information compiled with those people for solutions that weren’t looked at by these people that just got an award as the top yeah I this is absurdity at its highest it is and Jason the inv invites I sent to those folks um never nobody wanted to come in and talk about it after you and I I kind of fired you up on this issue then I started researching and I went we just sold the farm and all the animals to somebody else to run it for us basically yeah and I go the EPA is going to follow their
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rules they’re they’re like God you know there is no hey this guy over here on this Farm’s been farming this way successfully and and we’re not going to use his practices because he’s not part of our cabal over in Washington DC and you ran head first into that and you brought people in with brilliant fraking ideas on how to handle that and they just got stifled over and over again because basically brilliant $100,000 events that they went to research this they got wated up and thrown against the
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wall I know what I’m doing because I’m from the federal government and I’m here to save you and that’s basically what you came up against and I was just like oh my God I was thinking when we started on this road for lahina to making sure all the waste was processed correctly I thought this was going to be an open dialogue I didn’t think it was going to be hitting your head against the wall I was I I it was a harsh Awakening I kind of saw it coming but I’m like man Jason’s bringing good people and they’re
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just getting beaten up they’re not even getting beaten up they’re not even they’re not they’re not even they’re not even giving up they’re not even good place to take exactly I tell you I I feel like I’ve been snubbed absolutely you know on the Rodney Dangerfield of Mali I’ve been talking about this stuff for 30 years I know but you’ve been sober well so it really really you know the the truth every time I tell my story about pundy the statue in front of the Mac yeah and how I booked the opening
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New Year’s and New Year’s Day the cultural center that should be understood to be a political move for what it was yeah you know I mean what you there’s so much going on here that uh we should fix I mean I have I have a personal Grudge because now with the Right Moves we could have everything going much better here and we could do the housing things they tell us are not possible yeah it’s all possible right now everything is possible but at least have a seat at the table Jason they don’t listen to me no every
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everyone needs a seat at the table and I think that’s the Trump appeal no I think that’s got to be I I I think that’s the appeal of telsey and Bobby is to say it’s more important to be at the table than to bang my head against the wall and that’s and that could be that’s a very attractive thing yeah I’ll take that into consideration well Trump no no no and you know what in four years he’s gone you’ll never see him again well I’m conc we almost didn’t see him again already but
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you don’t fool around about first a dictator you don’t do things like that well there again read the read the read the quote Oh read the quote and and and compare it to what the media picked out of that well again now that we all know this yeah stop it Donald stop it and media stop cutting up people’s presentations he use it to his advantage and he’s absolutely right I would too if I was him no not him the the media the media does the big dollar people they can’t sell him he is their number one
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rate getter when they get angry with him their ratings go up CNN brought back Brian Selzer who I never thought would come back they just brought him back because he’s such an angry vicious person but his ratings were high when Trump was in but as soon as Trump lost his ratings crashed so they brought him back and I’m like wow I didn’t see that coming and I’m like okay that’s an interesting perception yeah you know it’s money money money money you know I mean I can honestly
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say I can honestly say that all those things don’t feel real to me because the problems here locally are things that could be handled locally right and we don’t disagree and so although those Federal decisions are important I just don’t like Trump no matter how many times you’ll tell me I’m not if I ever I hope that Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi gabard stand up at the meetings and have a voice to be able to help us do the right things that’s great yeah have they ever not stood up I’m not
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having to vote for them no I and I have no challenge I probably think Bobby Kennedy thought long and hard before before he decided to align with Donald Trump he put the country in front of right yeah party and I could say that too but I don’t think that like when you brought up Ukraine there are so many opinions I do not like um what do we say I want to put everyone put their weapons down right and that’s all that Trump has ever said he may say what he want I don’t want him anywhere near
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there okay I don’t trust him him well no what what he what what did he do let let’s let’s just talk policy what policy did he do that you disagree with um I don’t even need that I don’t even need that in my you know why why because even if he had policies I disagreed with I wouldn’t remember them okay really and but the thing is right now our budget is so screwed up to me the balance of the budget thing when the I really do believe I don’t know what the trigger is that our financial
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system is going to get tossled in the air it’s it’s on an 80e cycle that’s not questionable again as many years as it’s questionable gold is through the ceiling right but but the gold wouldn’t be through the ceiling if the high if the tech industry crashes because the tech industry is the largest user of gold in the production of absolutely every technology my MacBook my iPhone my watch it’s necessary let’s let’s go back 2500 years Jason let’s well let’s go back this was an
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important thing that Thomas Jefferson you don’t mean 2500 years 2500 years but but something that he had made he he loved Socrates he loved the Greeks strong Minds discuss ideas average Minds discuss events weak Minds discuss people so when you hear Socrates when you hear that and I read it when I read our founding fathers read that and it’s still prevalent today so okay would you say and I know it’s obvious that’s Donald Trump why is he calling people Pocahontas and years yeah that’s he’s
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just he’s your everyday American stock worker he really is if you’re out in the working class and you’re you’re pounding Nails into a place or if I’m if I’m at the jail it’s the vernacular we have rap music that’s telling you to do ungodly things using the n-word which really offends me for a white guy that’s kind of weird but it offends me um but they just this whole genre outside of our beautiful little place here on Maui is more angry it’s more vernacular it’s
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more Gutter and it’s much different than the world we live in here in this bubble we are so blessed to live on this beautiful place blessed that’s why I get back to as much as we talk about those other things and they might be important to some MH I much rather talk about what’s really going on here and how we’re going to fix it how we going to fix this rental thing now let’s talk about I want to hear all these things about the federal government and what they do I don’t care if we can create a
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strong economy we don’t have a homeless problem well we have to do that locally we do but we’ve we’ve given up control Jason how is that that because we how is that when we when when the federal government came in here and said we don’t need that you don’t we don’t want your sugar cane anymore we don’t want your pineapples we get those from Honduras we can get those from down into Solomon we can we can do this and all of a sudden our our our cash cow and everybody signed up and said sure bring
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in these big hotels they’re going to pay union scale and then all of a sudden by the late 80s 90s the union scale for hotel workers all of a sudden fell off and it fell off and it fell off and it hasn’t kept up so so we know that yeah we know that so Scott yes I’m stopping you okay those are all things that happened and like you said their decisions made somewhere else we already know $15 an hour 18 now at McDonald’s well yeah it’s crazy but they also have no customers because the prices went so
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high I went in to get a double cheeseburger and saw something like $5 I saw the the sandwiches in the meals 16 17 20 I thought thought and I watch and see nobody there except at night when they’re the only ones open and people can drive through yeah they can still get business right yeah I I don’t I don’t I don’t know these places I don’t think they’re they know what to do with themselves no they’ve been I really they’ve all been Shackled so here we are the sonics that was over near Safeway
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when someone said hey there’s a Sonics on the island we should go and he got me a hamburger and fries and a drink and him the same and it was $35 and he was like Andrew and I went and had two milkshakes and it was $23 $23 for two milkshakes I can go to freaking I can go to times and buy a gallon of ice cream two three gallons ice cream for that make it home to make it yeah just go Stir It Up at home we can’t afford this and who who’s visiting here that can afford this who could pay 500 700 a night for a room
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right what family is now going to say wait I can’t get a condo because they needed it for rental that’s good why are we going to Maui their Lina’s been completely wiped out that’ll take at least a decade to get back to get some sun and con of to go to calua to be landlocked in my hotel oh they have beautiful things in Maui we but the people are unhappy because none of them can afford their rent well they were giving them we giving a place to live but they took away their job oh well
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they weren’t in the burn Zone let them be on the street we have nowhere to put them nowhere to facility to me that’s way better than not that I don’t like Thomas Jefferson stories well they’re The Federalist Papers Socrates but you know but the fact is they warned I’m much more Down to Earth because I would say let’s create this kind of activity and these jobs there’ll be lots of different categor there and that we can trade it for credits on these different housing choices we’re going to be building these
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places with people that’s another set of jobs okay and then we’re going to be growing food and these are going to be you want to talk about keeping things local oh yeah we can solve our housing and our food crisis and we can have education and we can align the the television stations and the college and create I think I think I think why see these I think price president Harris is your candidate no no no she’s not local see but if she’s talking about General control of all these things instead of
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letting them be ground up see you’re talking still on the federal and Scott I love lighting you up well you don’t you don’t really like me you know why I say you don’t light me up and I say am I right at seven minutes yeah you don’t light me up only because I want to it’s not that I see past it it’s important to me also those issues are important to me and I may not agree with the net outcome in a Harris regime but I don’t look at it with the same no um you look at it
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through I am right here local knowing that we have more power here if if we don’t do this here we’re going to be in hot water no matter who’s President oh yeah we’re going to have toxicity here here no matter who’s President exactly we’re not going to have people housed no matter who as long as we don’t have nuclear toxicity from mistakes no but my my point right you’re hearing my point I’m hearing it and I respect you Jason we we love talking Jason and I we talk
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like this even when we’re not a I want to get in the pool and stop working my life you back in the water we’ll talk like this for an hour and a half just walking back and forth and no but we don’t disagree no not at all but what what happens is my my intention is to light up those I’m not trying to be in power but those that have the ability to do these things because they are them right what do we call this a coax we’re coaxing you I have no power but listen to what I said right I talked about
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creating a solution to the housing and the employment and you said well that’s too much like socialism that’s not good didn’t you didn’t say that yet but I mean I all the things that limit a solution that right I don’t have what what what kind of frustrates me is we’ve had Solutions then they became unpopular so we eliminated them when we had a mental health facilities almost everywhere in the country I agree it was decentralized when you had a problem you were handled in your own clinical area
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and then suddenly when the those facilities were centralized in some ways it took I guess burden off the places individually took but it also disconnected the solutions because the families and the communi is here the hospital then they said no we don’t need hospitals they diluted because they don’t have the money to and Facilities to help in different ways that’s what they’re having now with housing people have homeless they’re homeless people they’re homeless people just like you
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except they’re homeless cuz they can’t pay $2,300 for a one bedroom let’s let’s look at the greatest Federal run failure in housing the Navajo Nation all the all of our native example that was a horror St they still have shanties they don’t have running water it’s been 200 years there are solutions here with people you’ve probably seen them up there on Facebook there’s a guy named migs Who does these things with clay and building structures and yeah the earth homes yeah
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they’re brilliant but there are so many alternative solutions that could be implemented here as an example to the world absolutely but we don’t do that we don’t create the room for it and if we do have room for it it’s not being promoted there’s no what but if we don’t have dollars but we have the ability to house someone or give them food and for the that’s why I’m saying what I say right right do things here on an island in a unique way and be a great example of that love that we like to see but
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there there’s that there’s that analogy that I liked that was like we really need to take care of all these folks that are out there and we do need to do that we need a mental health system that is multifaceted and doesn’t overload our hospital system and doesn’t overload that well you need people you need qualified people and you need facil and we’re losing them because they’re frustrated with all the paperwork we’re so paperwork up but but I don’t doubt Cas in point yeah I’m just looking clock
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how many minutes we have I’m at 11:53 yeah well how many minutes left what does that say oh c I can’t 53 that means we have six minutes it’s so fun to have you back I have so much more blind guy looking up at the screen that’s okay you got a deaf guy over here with his 53 we have three minutes they you see they get three minutes before the it’s so good to have you back really yeah this is so much more fun next week we have davo the artist I won’t be here next week Jason I’m I’m just you know
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all wandering and then Kelly King after that cool and then sue Maul coming back from a grandmother’s conference in Peru far out you know when you put it all together we have a neutral zone oh yeah it’s anything but neutral but we like to talk about things and you’re a great oh we have so much so was so fun sitting in for you you know what really surprises me folks is it is really difficult to get people to come in and talk here oh my goodness you guys all need to just sign up they have no idea what it takes
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to make this show happen when you’re one guy doing oh my gosh I researched I research for like 8 10 hours on those Federalist Papers to bring in an hour worth of content but your content is great so come back please oh I love it Jason I hope that you’ll want to come back we have two minutes but I must say I have been missing being here but I also feel if we don’t get viewers and people don’t share their show we got nothing go to YouTube Maui neutral zone Jason Schwarz Maui Arts and Music Maui
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environment you’re GNA find so much stuff up there so what so we’re not going for an election Scott no we want people to share these ideas ideas so that people that have the power to do these things listen to some ideas right and if you want to get a soap box and bring it in bring it in that’s what it’s about please do yeah I don’t think Jas I don’t think anybody would have known about the lahina otalu debacle if Jason hadn’t brought it up no they know about it they do now but I it was pretty quiet
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before that well it’s not going to stay quiet cuz I’m not going to be quiet I’m going to revisit with a lot of the people you saw we got 54 seconds you got it Budd good to have you back look at the difference see look at this my voice and your voice they said that’s equal the way we sit I guess I’m just too quiet know you’re good Scott it’s really been a pleasure everyone out there thank you for for being nice to Scott and uh thank you I appreciate all the input I got I got so
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many questions fantastic man that was awes more to come yeah have a good week everyone I’m just looking for the countdown but I’m really happy if you’ll go to dream maui.com Maui neutral zone YouTube You’re Going to sign so much up there you’re going to say holy mackerel Andy
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