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PAUL SABLE joins Jason. 2-2021: “Jason: “I overtalked Paul. (I apologize and will be doing another interview soon. It’s just my enthusiasm for our shared project with Regenitech”. 2-2021.) -Paul Sable, multi-talented artist, craftsman, active at MauiMakers shared workshop space, and environmental advocate, regenerative agriculture and alternative energy. Paul WAS the one that initiated activity that lead to Progressive REGENITECH technology coming here to Maui having seen Michael Smith in “Need To Grow” movie late 2019.. Paul is active in its planned creation here and welcomes your positive help and support to locate one or more of the Earth Power Lodge (EPL) on Maui, Hawaii.
Summary & Transcript
- [00:00 → 02:39] Introduction and Background of Paul Sable
Jason Schwartz opens the show, welcoming listeners and viewers to Maui Neutral Zone, broadcast on KAKU 88.5 FM and available online. He sets the context by mentioning his involvement with the Mankind Project and how he met interesting people there, including Paul Sable, who is described as a “renaissance man.” Paul introduces himself as a New York native who lived in Boston, Santa Cruz, and eventually moved to Maui. Jason highlights Paul’s multifaceted career, including his involvement with environmental projects and the Maui Makers community. - [02:39 → 07:00] Paul’s Life Journey and Artistic Background
Paul elaborates on his life path, emphasizing his early education at a music and art high school in New York, his lifelong involvement in carpentry, contracting, and art including painting, sculpture, and light sculpture. He mentions a notable project, the “Space Palette,” an advanced interactive art installation co-created with Tim Thompson. Paul shares his love of woodworking and experience building custom furniture for private clients. He also talks about his college education at Antioch College, his extensive travels in Europe and North Africa, and language studies in French and Spanish, which enriched his artistic and cultural understanding. - [07:00 → 09:54] Joining Maui Makers and Building Community Resources
Paul describes his move to Maui inspired by a personal relationship and his goal of joining or creating a makerspace. He found and joined the existing Maui Makers workshop, became a board member, and now serves as the facilities manager. He describes the makerspace as a fully equipped, sustainable workshop with over $100,000 worth of equipment, including CNC machines, metalworking tools, and a full cabinet shop. The space serves contractors, hobbyists, and the community, offering access to professional tools for a low monthly fee, fostering creativity and craftsmanship on Maui. - [09:54 → 13:03] Discovery and Involvement with the Earth Power Lodge (EPL) Project
Paul explains how his interest in environmental solutions deepened through his spiritual journey, including his connection to the teachings of Osho. Through a friend in the group, he discovered the documentary film “The Need to Grow,” which features Michael Smith and the Green Powerhouse Project. Inspired by the film, Paul contacted Michael Smith to explore building a similar project on Maui. This led to discussions with the Maui County environmental committee and a grant for a feasibility study. The project was renamed Earth Power Lodge (EPL) to reflect its advanced, regenerative agricultural technology. - [13:03 → 17:57] EPL Project Overview and Environmental Impact
Paul describes the EPL as a regenerative agriculture initiative centered around a greenhouse that grows algae. The project is carbon negative, sequestering carbon dioxide and returning oxygen to the atmosphere, while using green waste (wood chips and plant material) as fuel processed via pyrolysis to create biochar. Biochar is a charcoal-like soil additive that revitalizes depleted soil and boosts crop yields, potentially doubling soil productivity. He stresses the urgency of soil regeneration, citing that only about 60 more growing cycles remain for arable soil globally, highlighting the critical importance of technologies like EPL to sustain future food production. - [17:57 → 23:49] Economic Viability and Broader Benefits of EPL
The discussion continues on how the EPL technology not only restores soil health but also produces electricity by burning methane gas generated in the process. Paul emphasizes that EPL is a profitable venture, generating substantial revenue potentially reaching $4 million annually after startup costs. He envisions EPL as a scalable model to be replicated worldwide, supporting food security, renewable energy, and ecological restoration. The project also aligns with Maui’s goals to increase renewable energy usage. The sustainable business model promises quick profitability compared to typical startups, making it attractive for investors and communities. - [23:49 → 30:57] Site Selection and Community Engagement
Paul and Jason discuss potential sites for the EPL on Maui, including large tracts of land like those owned by Mahi Pono, and various accessible locations closer to central Maui. They emphasize the need for community involvement, investors, and landowners willing to host EPL installations. There is strong support from local government officials, including council members and planning commissioners, as well as legal volunteers assisting with permits and contracts. The group is actively seeking partnerships and funding to move the project from concept to reality. - [30:57 → 37:47] Building Momentum and Vision for Expansion
Paul shares optimism about growing support as more people understand the project’s benefits. The EPL aims to create jobs, generate profits, and provide environmental solutions, making it a comprehensive model for sustainable development. He highlights that the project uses green waste as fuel, turning waste into valuable resources while reducing pollution. The vision includes building multiple EPL units across Maui and beyond, creating a network of regenerative agriculture facilities that benefit both local ecosystems and economies. - [37:47 → 43:56] Paul’s Ongoing Work and Connection Between EPL and Maui Makers
Paul describes his day-to-day work as a contractor building furniture and renovating homes, while also managing Maui Makers. He sees a symbiotic relationship between the makerspace and EPL, with the makerspace fabricating components needed for the EPL infrastructure. Paul hopes to eventually co-locate Maui Makers and EPL on the same land to maximize collaboration. He reiterates his passion for creating beautiful functional objects and his commitment to the EPL as his lifetime project. - [43:56 → 48:00] Closing Remarks, Call to Action, and Future Plans
Paul and Jason conclude by encouraging viewers and listeners to get involved. They mention upcoming events including Michael Smith’s return to Maui to further support the project. They plan to launch an EPL website and fundraising platform soon. The discussion touches on smaller backyard versions of the technology for personal use. Paul shares his artistic background, including making musical instruments and interactive art installations like the Space Palette, emphasizing the integration of art, music, and environmental activism. The show ends with a call for community participation to help save the planet and build a sustainable future.
Key Insights
- Regenerative Agriculture Innovation: EPL’s integrated system converts green waste into biochar and bio-nutrients, restoring soil health and sequestering carbon, addressing critical environmental challenges.
- Economic and Environmental Synergy: EPL is designed as a profitable, scalable business that simultaneously generates clean energy, enriches soil, and supports sustainable food production.
- Community and Government Support: Strong local backing and engagement from Maui’s government, legal, and business sectors create a solid foundation for project success.
- Makerspace Collaboration: Maui Makers is pivotal for fabricating EPL components, demonstrating how local craftsmanship and technology can empower ecological innovation.
- Urgency and Vision: The project responds to the pressing global issue of soil depletion with a practical solution that can be replicated worldwide, offering hope for future food security.
Outline
- Introduction and Background of Paul Sable
- Paul’s Life Journey and Artistic Background
- Joining Maui Makers and Building Community Resources
- Discovery and Involvement with the Earth Power Lodge (EPL) Project
- EPL Project Overview and Environmental Impact
- Economic Viability and Broader Benefits of EPL
- Site Selection and Community Engagement
- Building Momentum and Vision for Expansion
- Paul’s Ongoing Work and Connection Between EPL and Maui Makers
- Closing Remarks, Call to Action, and Future Plans
FAQ
Q: What is the core technology behind the Earth Power Lodge?
A: The EPL uses a greenhouse to cultivate algae fueled by pyrolyzed green waste, producing biochar to restore soil and bio-nutrients for plant growth, while generating clean energy and oxygen.
Q: How does EPL impact soil health?
A: It produces biochar, a charcoal-like additive that revitalizes depleted soil, doubles crop yields, and sequesters carbon, addressing the critical problem of soil degradation.
Q: Is the EPL financially viable?
A: Yes, the project costs about $5 million to build, runs at $1.5 million annually, and can generate approximately $4 million in profit per year, making it a sustainable and profitable venture.
Q: How can the community participate?
A: Community members can support by investing, providing land, volunteering, joining Maui Makers, donating, or spreading awareness about the project.
Q: Are there smaller versions of the EPL technology?
A: Yes, a backyard-sized version is in development for personal and small-scale use, expanding the project’s accessibility.
Q: How does Maui Makers relate to the EPL project?
A: Maui Makers fabricates components and supports the construction of the EPL, creating synergy between local craftsmanship and environmental innovation.
Q: What is the timeline for EPL on Maui?
A: The team is securing sites, permits, and funding, with plans to build the first EPL and expand to multiple units, aiming for rapid development and impact.
This detailed summary captures the comprehensive discussion between Jason Schwartz and Paul Sable on the Maui Neutral Zone show, emphasizing the transformative potential of the Earth Power Lodge project, the integration of art and community, and the urgent need for environmental solutions.
Transcript
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[Music] aloha welcome to neutral zone uh this is jason schwartz your host maui neutral zone you see that over to my other side i have a guest paul sable we’ll speak to him in just a second but i want to make sure that they know where we are we are on kaku 88.5 fm the voice of maui we are on mondays at 11 a.m and repeated saturday at 7 00 a.m but that almost doesn’t matter to me because we can be found on youtube all the time and of course mauineutralzone.com mauiartsandmusic.org but mauineutralzone.com
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has all of these shows and you can search there by name by subject of people on the site now that i’ve said that i want you to know that sometimes i have been interviewing people on my show i’m about to show 115 and along the way i realized that some of the people that i was finding interesting to bring to the show were in a group i was with that group in october of 2017 i went to k and i maui i’m saying this because some of you aren’t on island we used to be a little on maui but now people are watching from
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everywhere so you wherever you are in k and i which is a road to hana beautiful remote location i went on a couple of day weekend with a group called the mankind project i got to meet interesting men it was a great experience and then we have these groups every week and i got to know some interesting people and in that group someone i knew for 30 years was a guy named chris mensah and he was into energy and saving our planet for all the whole time and um i met all kinds of people and i did some
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interviews for the show out of the group and in that group and in that interest range there was this interesting guy that i didn’t really understand because he was very knowledgeable about spiritual things and he was he was a worker and we’ll talk but paul welcome to our show this is paul sable paul if i were going to describe you you’re hard to describe because i think of you as a renaissance man you are 70 plus years young you’ve had uh life and are you you’re not obviously
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from maui as i see where did you come from how how did you come to here i was born in new york actually one in manhattan oh i’m a long time ago and uh spent uh 26 years in new york 10 years in boston 30 odd years in santa cruz and then finally got smart and made it to maui wow that’s a lot of years so you’ve had a lot of experience santa cruz my brother was up above there in boulder creek and then he the fire got him run now he’s in powell wyoming up near our friend michael which is five
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hours away from montana well we’ll get all that so paul you’ve obviously if i were to just say what you are i’m missing a big lifetime can you help people better understand some of your path because i now i think of you as someone involved in this project the epl project with some of the guests you’ve seen on the show michael smith phyllis ramsey but you were also involved with maui makers we’ll talk about that i hope but you’ve been a worker you’ve had major sculpture pieces you’re an interesting
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guy we in these little groups we’ve met people that are all kinds of things right now give us give our audience a chance to know who paul is okay well i think uh as a renaissance man is pretty good good description so i uh i have uh just a little history i i went to i was born in new york i went to music and art high school and uh met my first wife there we were high school sweethearts we met at six i was 16 she was 15 when we met and we got married and had kids three kids so uh first part of my life and all that time
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i’ve been uh i’ve been a carpenter and a an artist and also uh music i used to sing professionally so a lot of different things so over the years i’ve done a whole lot of many things so a lot of carpentry and contracting renovating and building and uh and art was always a hobby it was always an expensive hobby for me all along and then so along later on in my career became a lucrative career so i’ve done uh painting sculpture and in my later years i’ve got into light sculpture
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and electronic interactive art and i did a piece called the space palette which is probably one of the most advanced interactive art pieces on the planet with it with a partner named tim thompson who invented the thing i just made it more beautiful in the presentation like really high end so that it was a museum piece rather than a garage piece space palette it’s called the space palette it’s on my website my website is sablestudios.com good sably right stable studios and you know my contact information and
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i have a woodworking website that shows all my my master woodworking i love working with wood and exotic woods and i work for you know many many many wonderful wealthy people that private compliance private clients build by build beautiful furniture cabinets and do general renovations as well so on the side you know or more than on the side i’m also an artist and i always have been so i went to i got a degree in art from antioch college a long time ago and uh i spent a year in europe during my college years and toured
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europe and north africa rather extensively all the museums and churches and all that um you know i have certain favorite things that i like and so i would go around around europe and find these specific pieces of art that i wanted to see which was a lot of fun yeah and i did a semester in the university of montpellier and learned to speak french and also did a semester in mexico learned to speak spanish and so the languages and the travel were probably the most one of the most important parts of my education
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and i guess because you were a woodworker and doing independent work you had freedom to be able to do that kind of thing right yeah yeah exactly i’ve had my own shop since i’m like 28. i had a big beautiful house in massachusetts and and my own shop and so and i you know i had a shop in santa cruz for 30 odd years and then when i moved to maui i fell in love with this wonderful woman and she wanted to move to maui we were living in santa cruz and uh so i sold everything and moved here and my intention when i moved here
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was to join a makers group and if there wasn’t one here i was going to create one so maker’s group group is a is a group of people who get together and get a bunch of tools together in a shop and have a communal workspace so uh as when i got here there was a thing called maui maker so it was already existed and so i joined up immediately and became part of maui makers and over the years over a few i’ve been in america since i first got here one sec your sound just went a little crazy say that again i have been
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i’ve been with maui makers for five years and uh about two years ago i joined the board and became more much more active and in running the running the place and we in august of this year august of last year we we moved the shop into the central maui base yard and i’m now the facilities manager on the board of directors and i run basically run maui makers and it was great because i get to set it up i got to set up the building just the way i wanted it so we have a fantastic shop with over a hundred
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thousand dollars worth of equipment wow we have cnc equipment and overhead routers and we have metal working equipment now a really pretty extensive set of metal working tools we have lathes and milling machines and cutting machines and welding and full on metal and then someone were an independent builder or a worker and joining your group they have full use of all this equipment without having a shop wow exactly and we have a fully fully equipped cabinet shop which is what i do so so you know we cater to
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contractors and also hobbyists and you know condo owners everyone anybody who wants to make something that’s great we we we have a really very low membership fee it’s only 60 dollars a month and it’s yards great location wow and we’re fully sustainable now we have we have six months ago we were going to fail and because we moved and i found a better place we’re now fully sustainable our membership covers everything and we actually make it we don’t really make a profit because we
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are a non-profit but we are uh we’re sustainable we’re not going anywhere i think that’s terrific yeah it’s really and maker spaces are failing all over the country so ours is a pretty nice guy that’s a woodworker and a sculptor like you told me about large projects right i mean you you’re uh i guess people going to sablestudios.com we’ll see you are more than just a casual uh street corner in your bedroom artist you are uh a significant artist and that’s terrific
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and we’re happy but in our group when we were there you and chris mental were talking about this movie and when i heard about this movie i think we got a little group together how did you get interested in environment or just always been on your mind well and um i am also a spiritual person and i i have a guru who was bhagwan rajneesh who now called osho that i got into in 1987 during my my midlife crisis and spiritual quest and uh chris is also uh osho uh no show sanyasin which means disciple
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right so uh i met i saw through there’s an osho friends of osho email in maui and there was a link to the movie on that on that email i think chris put it up there somebody put it up there and that’s when i saw them and i watched the movie which is called the need to grow and that features michael smith and this green powerhouse project and uh i saw the movie and after the movie i was so completely inspired that i picked up the phone and called michael and said how let’s build one on maui and
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that was about a year ago and then we looked through that and our conversations michael came we went to our county council the environmental committee that came created a grant for feasibility which is just getting initiated again wow thank you paul yeah that became just from a little link on the uh oh show newsletter yeah that’s how i first saw it yeah well now it seems to me that it it seems to me that it’s brightening up maui’s future absolutely the thing we do in here we have renamed
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it we call it the earth power lodge yeah in the movie in the movie it’s called the green power house right but epl there’s earth power lodge is i want to say light years at a way ahead technology wise than michael’s earlier creation i’m you know i’m very happy to say the earth power line is like a step up you know it is it’s very complicated it’s hard to accomplish okay so it takes a you know it takes a couple of paragraphs to describe it but this is how i like to talk about it so
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it’s a it’s a regenerative agricultural project and it the center piece of it is a is a greenhouse and in the greenhouse we grow algae and michael has built two of these two in montana and the third one is going up in the summer it’s going to be active in the summer so it’s a fully developed technology that’s been proven it’s uh it it does like five five or six major things it does it it uh is a carbon negative project it sequesters a lot of carbon dioxide out of the air and back into the soil
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it produces more oxygen than almost any other project you’ll ever see so it takes co2 out of the air and puts oxygen back in the air because of all the algae it takes the algae and it produces uh it it runs on on green waste on wood chips or any kind of a green a cellulose based waste material so it runs on waste material and it it it cooks the waste material in a pyrolyzer at a thousand degrees and turns it into another means so that’s important you don’t want to say burn because it’s actually
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pyrolyzing pyrolyzing is a a airtight container that the oxygen has been removed and it’s it’s heated up to a thousand degrees and then it cooks the carb it cooks the wood waste and it makes it into a charcoal-based thing called biochar so i guess that’s fine so the biochar is a soil additive taste gets processed and it happens through inner pyrolyzer right i’m just trying to turn it into english for the point right right you take some waste and you the algae creates fuel that runs this
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pyrolyzer and as the temperature goes up it’s able to take off different i call them phytocedacles like we can take things off that have value and it also creates biochar which creates this charcoal this that goes into the earth and holds the carbon that’s a huge thing right so far because it’s complicated and what’s beautiful about it is it’s a cycle it’s a closed cycle that goes both ways so the the heat and the carbon dioxide from the cooking of the wood waste the carbon
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dioxide gets piped into the greenhouse which makes the algae grow faster and then the algae is processed through a four-stage digestive process that produces this amazing bio-nutrient which is a saleable product it goes way beyond a fertilizer it’s not a fertilizer it’s a nutrient for plants and that when you combine the nutrient for the plants with the biochar it makes a soil amendment that that doubles doubles the output of any soil it goes up at least a hundred percent now i have to stop there for a second
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i want our audience to hear that because you may not have heard it because it’s so quick and so different right this is something that doubles the output wow it brings life back to the soil so when you put it in a in a soil that’s been depleted or been pesticides or fertilizers it puts life it puts you know living nutrients into the soil and makes the soil alive again so you know there’s a difference between soil and dirt soil is a living thing and dirt is is soil that’s been depleted
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and as most of you already know the we have only 60 more cycles growing cycles of arable soil on planet earth so in 60 years we won’t be able to grow food anymore unless we regenerate our soil and this is the the main thing about this product well there’s like five main things but this is the main thing is that if we start putting it on depleted soil the soil will rejuvenate itself and then it will be able to grow food and then we’ll be able to feed our grandchildren so literally if we don’t do this we’re
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not going to be able to feed people on planet earth in 60 years from now that’s literally what’s going on because we’re depleting the soil with the with the industrial agriculture using pesticides and fertilizers which take the life out of the soil so this puts the life back in the soil it’s very very important so we have like you know five different ways that we’re we’re destroying the planet and this is one of the major ways that we can stop doing that and let the planet rejuvenate
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itself so that’s what this is all about so it’s not and it sounds like it sounds like it’s been able to harness harness things that are very basic being able to grow out you know it’s very complicated to create a very simple thing it’s going to create a way to grow more food to regenerate the soil and if we don’t wave goodbye to mankind is that basically the yeah short version so maui has this opportunity to be a significant location to showcase this perfect place in the world that’s right
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right so you know it came in originally because i wanted to show maui as an environmental solution mecca that’s self-sustainable except that’s 30 years ago so here we are now yeah the result has wakened up to what we’ve been talking about for all this time right well then that’s what i really liked when i saw the movie it’s like it’s solution oriented it’s like it shows the real problems and it but then it gives us a solution so like this is like very very important and it
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solves like every problem we’re using we can eliminate the use of fossil fuels we can eliminate the use of pesticides and fertilizers we can we can bring like more green food back onto the planet so and and maui you know we have a we have a incentive to stop using fossil fuels and there’s a government mandate to get up to a higher percent we’re only at 18 now with alternate fuels but there’s a mandate to go up to 24 which we want to go to 100 because it’s doable so i didn’t even
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mention but the epl project produces electricity and it’s electricity that comes from the methane gas burning the methane gas just to run a regular turbine let me ask you an example yeah go ahead um this project when we look at all the pieces we know that we’re in an early stage but this is a profit-making venture so that someone doing this that’s right actually creating potential a whole future economy for themselves and others that itself is such a blessing it’s like a module that we can see
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duplicated everywhere right exactly i think it you know buckminster fuller said that if you want to make if you want to like improve something just make something better and it will it will eliminate the thing that it was meant to improve so that’s what this is this is like everything that we need here it’s everything well not only here but the planet earth but if we start here we have a we have a we could have a school we could have ecotourism we could have a food-based economy that feeds the whole island and all the
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hawaiian islands all of this all of these things that we all want to do and i have the notion that that’s why uh as tourists come here they’re gonna want it and will be great influence wherever they go home to and be able to point here so it helps our tourism and and uh it helps the whole it’s like a giant was if we’re the giant tourism spot why not share it from right here true so what i kept saying is maybe we’ll set it up you know how they check when you take pineapples home from the
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islands they check to make sure that they’re good and they put them in a box and deliver them at the airport maybe we’ll deliver bottles of uh regen attack at the airport good idea that’s a good idea it is well it’s a it’s a wonderful thing and it’s a it makes the the financial aspects of it are are really amazing for most business startups don’t break even for five to seven years and this one can break even and start being profitable in less than two years it’s a it’s a five million
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dollar project it takes it takes a a million and a half to run it uh 24 hours a day and the profit is 10 000 a day which is four million dollars a year so it’s it’s a in in in the year after we build it in a year we can build it and in the next year we can be making two and a half million dollars profit so let’s slow that down because you say it like i can understand because you really know it but let our audience get the the gist here you know okay guys we all of us chip in our nickels now there are people
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around that have those nickels and they’re like hey we want to own it we want okay um there are a lot of people that will use all of this but this project it cost a million and a half dollars to build it generates five million is the cost of the project five million to build one and a half million dollars to run a year a year during the year running so when we talk about profit and uh yeah growth is 4 million the gross is 4 million well i was just being generous because remember that’s so here i am i’m a non-profit so
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we want to share and get the music thing going in the art so we’ll create a funnel of money that will be able to put that money back into this you can see that’s the whole plan that i’ve got which is to generate this this profit out of money and get the whole world to see it at the same time from maui anyway i’ll just sort of put it together because we’re gonna go all over the map but we have a thing that can help the world and it’s almost like people will be coming here
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already rubbing your hands together because the weather is changing so dramatic what do you think is going on here is there any way that we’re going to suddenly get people to have the epiphany the environment is super important well i think that there’s enough people who are smart enough to realize that this has been going on for a while and we need to do something about it uh i don’t think we need to to i don’t think we’re going to get our governments to do it i don’t think it matters that
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we do i think that capitalism can be our tool here so like the point is you know the governments are way behind the ball here and then adventure it’s going to attract so then then we don’t need the governments what we do need is we need people and our ideal ideal thing for the epi would be the ba what’s called a new generation co-op where people can contribute and it’s also a non-profit so we put the money back into the soil back into building more greenhouses expanding the food production planting
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trees like all the stuff that we really so the first stage is the green powerhouse of building which is a quarter of an acre about ten thousand squares yeah the epl right right right the epo and the second stage is to build greenhouses and start growing food and start growing like uh plantations of trees which also produce more oxygen and you know if we put like uh the point is that you want to have people learn about it and then go home and build one in their own community like it’s sure they can bring some
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bionutrients and grow some grow themselves a good garden but the point i think more more important is to get them built all over the world and and even so i’m with you i envision four or five we’ve looked at so many beautiful spots here right exactly but i i think on the short term imagine you were let’s say a land owner who had what is it forty one thousand acres or thirty five thousand you were mine now there’s a group that’s already growing so they could have this on their land
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it takes what we i think it’s a couple of acres it’s less right it’s not much land no little people could have this too right just and it takes it’s a little bit more than just little people because the the scale of this thing is it’s you know it’s ten thousand square feet it’s a decent sized project there is a backyard project there is a size other farmers not only is a fourth a 40 000 acre place if you put this on five acres or less and uh you know accessible that’s what
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i’m trying to yeah there’s definitely room for like several on this island but if you were myipono only them probably by themselves might find they want one or more because exactly they have such growth this would be a fantastic well they have 41 000 acres that needs to be remediated and they can see it in their first greenhouse worth of double the production or does that doesn’t even need a greenhouse to double production right i remember there was a gentleman that came from montana
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who was growing uh for cbd oil at 39 acres that’s a lot was that all under greenhouse no but the production in montana i think it has to be it’s really cold there they have a short growing season i think it was an imagined 39 years it wasn’t anyway i you know i remember him but the point was that he used the bionutrient and made the oil more pure than anybody’s ever been able to grow well that’s why i’m bringing these things up in conversation you know i mean a lot of the things we know our audience
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some of them are going to go right up to sable studios they’re going to go up to my thing and we’re going to watch michael smith interview at mauineutralzone.com they’re going to see they’re going to see some of the people we’ve already we have council people here i know that councilwoman kelly king got interested and i only use that as an example and uh phyllis robinson uh was very helpful in getting this happening and now we have shaw o’brien and you and me and chris and
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michael and dianne yeah we have a great team oh he went up there and landed went there i want you to hear this yeah we do need a site we we we’re actively looking for for a site to put to epl and investors and and people who want to help we’re looking for all of that so anyone who wants to help and we would really like to own the land but we’re also open to a long-term lease um and mahi pona is a good potential possibility we have several places that we’ve already been when you say that i i think once this
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gets started and someone uh looks more closely here at the analysis yeah i don’t think the the money will be far behind if it’s a profit venture and the county says hey i can get rid of of african tulip and invasive species with this and address all this massive problem and create power and it’ll make money it’s like wait a minute we have the money for this so your thoughts of location i’ve already talked to councilman shane sinensi we already spoke about a place in hana but
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so in other words what i’m thinking is going to happen here i’m sure our audience is hopefully going to be part of this immediate attention to this is going to generate plenty of money commitments on sites because you know and i know we’ve got a handful of sites that we’ve we did that site tour and it was a fantastic experience to look over from and look down at the central maui and go how about right there and that was the you know at the place i call it the dump but it’s not a
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dump it’s a creation of it’s a cash flow machine there and uh you know over near um the three-way thing been near malaya where it goes to wailuku and kihei the sunflowers that area another location you’ve got another one there mid kia right up near the police station and stuff yeah so all these places are potential and i’m letting our audience know because this is for you guys is for our future and um sometimes on these shows i you know we get a little too you know comfortable in thinking we know
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but i want our audience to start looking because good yeah we want help we want help and we want everyone involved and we want the community you know to really care about this and i want you know we have tremendous support we’ve got great support from from the maui council and kelly king and we have a we have a guy who’s on the just guy jared on the on the planning commission who wants to be on our team and help us get our permitting we have uh uh the the uh the attorney general of maui
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has volunteered to be up our attorney or pro bono attorney for the contracts and all the stuff you don’t mean attorney general but i got you we have available potential gift legal people we got i understand and that’s why when i do a show like this paul my intention really is to over talk it to where it gets so obvious that we all need to gotta wake up it’s a great thing and i’m very excited and you know like i i i firmly believe we’re actually going to get this thing done oh yeah and that’s my intention is to is
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to make sure that it gets done well and your intention is is matched by my intention right i have been amazed how people are like i have some money i’m i’m interested well we’d be interested in putting it on our place so all this will come together yeah please give us a call or you know send me an email from my yeah very soon we’re going to make it like up at our website we’re going to have contact spots for you but yes we need we need to create the business form and have a new website for the epl
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which we don’t have yet but we will we will very soon and michael’s coming here on monday for another month on the 22nd he’s coming and michael smith is the inventor of the epl we hope to keep him here huh yeah that’s remember last time the last time he was here for he put his little toe down to see what would happen and and everything a few days he went to the council we got a meeting with them in front of this we hope to keep michael here so that all of you out there who have interest
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will be able to have it satisfied yeah until we get to our next step and we’re happy to talk about it and discuss it with anybody and we will be setting up a a place where you’ll be able to donate soon so that would be really cool we don’t have that yet we’re going to do something about that because yeah we’re never going to donate they can find us i mean there are some people that have said that i’ve seen it’s the little guy in the big guy and i’m sure that’s going to
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be happening and yeah we’ll do something that we have here which you think is not now is but we have a library and that library of shows is going to mean that we’re going to be seeing all this together as larger i want to say sponsors but as larger people become involved in sharing this a lot of conversation like this has happened with some of our uh principally involved people which i hope will then attract more people with some of the specialties that i think that’ll be great and you know my my larger vision is you know
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we need five million for this project but i want to raise a 100 million and build 20. that’s my my larger vision for this and that’s what we need to do we need to keep duplicating this process and i’m with you and that’s you know when you say raise the money and do it i like that idea but i also like the idea that they’re i don’t want to say greedy let us call it wise investors who all across the world are going to hear about it because of meetings like we’re having right now
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because this site that we have has had principles and they can see the real genuine guy like michael smith so humble you’ll see that movie and you see this guy this guy is understating what this is and that’s why a movie was focused right right the need to grow yeah it is one award it won awards it’s very unusual for a documentary so blessed to even be in the running here in maui because of you paul and thank you for that call because right generated us yeah i’m just the catalyst you know i
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made a few phone calls and everybody seemed to say yes so let’s just keep the yes it’s going right we got them grouped together or what was it four or five of us had a little meeting out of our little deal and yeah suddenly sprung into another level and that’s what i think is going to continue i hope that our world is getting i was going to say getting past this coven thing i think we all i don’t know really why it’s been so politicized we should all be respectful of each other there are all kinds of things
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in the world i imagine that this again i don’t want to get into the bio part of it but what we’re doing here is yet another thing that will help eliminate some of these problems because we build our immune systems you now i don’t want to give away your age but i know you’re not a young guy you’re an older man like me yet we’re still valuable in our world because we’ve been watching it i have a partner who i’ve been organic and playing the right game and eaten the
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right things for years but the world is kind of catching up to what you know and i know yeah this epl i mean i think of it epl earth power live that means what that means the earth gets powered and lodged when michael explains it it’s always fun so we’re not going to do it for them but i hope that everyone will be not only tuning in to all that we’re doing here but come out and be part of this project because in time you know you have to feed what do they say feed the beast green waste means someone has green that
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means all of you out there think of think of that green waste as fuel to fuel the future for you your children your grandchildren the world we’re taking waste and returning it into power and returning us to a place of balance right and it’s profitable wait a minute and creates jobs that’s right so so when you is here you when michael is here i know it’s going to shift your activity just like me it’s going to shift us into more aggressive mode here but what is your typical day are you
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working on on private client projects a lot of times yeah i build i build beautiful things for beautiful houses basically furniture cabinets and i do general renovations and stuff so i’m a contractor and that uh i want to and the the maui makers is also i think is directly connected with the epl because the epl has all these different modules of things that need to be made so that it works and there’s all these different processes and and we can help with that we can help making those things
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that he needs for the epl so i would like to see them both sided on the same land and i’d like like my right now where maui makers is in a rented space but my long-term vision for maui makers is that we own the building we own the land and we no longer pay rent and it’s really sustainable forever for generations to come and get bigger and and more interesting and more more more memberships it’s happening now i don’t know if it’d be on the same land if it’s a co-op but i may i guess each site can be
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owned and controlled could be you know it would be good to have a workshop right there you know makes sense oh yeah yeah but i’m just thinking about where the the future lies this is going to be very interesting to see i like michael’s idea of the co-op yeah i do too you know right outside like maui makers is in the in the central maui base yard and right outside our back door we can see the the sugar refinery building and like there’s a big two miles of open land right behind our back door and it’s all nahi pono land
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well again that’s why i know that right there they they seem to be logical likely yeah and it’s true accessible economic says for them probably quicker than anybody else but right but we also know that they are being careful and they’re busy so i think in this period we’ll very likely get to sit down and have some conversation i hope though i mean i know they want to try to be profitable within seven years and if they actually do want to be profitable this would fit right into their long-term plan
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and that we have people by living on this island as long as i see this great beard you got one too this gray beard was created in maui so over time i’ve met people that was the guy next door that was living in a box who’s now older and as more uh so there’s some of those people now and that’s what’s happening it’s i saying that in a i don’t mean that funny but a lot of people here have grown up over the years and now in positions of power that have seen what’s happening
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and are now in a position to make this happen chances you know how i met chances i was working for the census and i went door to door and i knocked down this door and the guy says hi jason because i’ve been doing all these shows that was shan suzui that was i guess it was 2010. and over the years i’ve watched now he’s the head of my pono but there are people like him who are very perceptive and when talking about something like this and people on his board and people that he knows there’s no way at all that
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they won’t be aware of this because we’ve already made them i mean some of the people were actually at our last showing i’m looking forward to having a couple more showings of the uh of the movie here yeah we’re gonna be taking it’s on amazon the need to grow is on amazon and it’s also on the food revolution network ah it’s available in the network that’s uh robin’s yeah that’s that’s good so anyway i’d say we you know every anybody who has an idea or wants to help
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michael’s also working on a backyard version a small not fun backyard version it’s on the regenetec website and the regenatech facebook page so and everybody at the movie was asking well how can i build a smaller one what can i do for my own self and what can i do in my backyard and very shortly there’s going to be a project just so everyone will know you know we’re talking here about stuff we’re going to have some links and things in the description at the youtube spot and also at maui neutral zombie you got
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to remember and i bring this up for our audience more than you paul our audience knows that i have a reason for doing all this i started this show for environmental solutions that i wanted to show i knew that it was going to take people finding this the only way i think they’re going to find this is when you have music and art that they want to find and this is there with that and so that’s what i’m doing i’m the guy that’s bringing all these pieces together it isn’t me it’s people like you people
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like michael smith it’s people that will make this possible great well music had not been a big part of my life i went to music and art high school in new york wow and i i built musical instruments from my wives i feel the harpsichord and harps wow and all sorts you know so music and art have been like a huge part of my life my whole life harpsichord yeah but in my spare time all right why you slept right i think that you’d like our audience to know about you or or that anything you’re doing that you want them
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to know well you know i love making things and i love making beautiful things and the epl is my big lifetime project now it’s like the thing i really want to accomplish for the rest of my life i’d like to do it over and over again and really make a difference on this earth but meanwhile i like to have fun i like music i like to make art i i’ve done mobiles for children’s hospitals i love i love making colorful playful art and the the space palette is this interactive piece it’s
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absolutely wonderful i’d love to get it over here so people can play i’m just talking to some people about possibly shipping it over here i have one it’s an interactive art installation that you get to play with you move your hands around makes music and art it makes both wow well it’s called the space palette it’s on my website so this is sable studios is my website emails paul at sable studios the regenexx website is michael smith’s website and there’s a facebook page for
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regenertech yeah you know that’s good again i i think that um we have a core team that is committed to this project absolutely and uh that feels really good and if it wasn’t for you paul sable i would never have known about it and so i truly thank you thank you yeah because i like you think that what we’re doing is as important as a life mission you know it’s like this is it you only got 60 years left and that’s it if you want your grandchildren to be able to eat we got to do this we have to do this and
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we are doing it you know we’re doing it so join the team that’s we are doing it in maui and you know the tourists of the tourist listening you go home and build one in your own hometown and then you’re doing it there yeah and you’re back there exactly really we should be having one in santa cruz one in new york you know all over the place you and i are impatient i know that you know i don’t want to beat around the bush i want to burn the bush let’s build it yeah i don’t know
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i know also we are we are we’re done we’re dotting the eyes across the t’s we’re getting the permits we’re checking with the everything we’re doing all that well you’ve been a a real pleasure to have here i hope our audience realizes what uh a great man you are i imagine when they go up to your website they’re going to say look at this guy you also we never even talked about your work with the byron katie’s work and things you know you’re a very interesting guy and we hope that you’ll
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come up here again not only to speak about epl as time goes on but we’re a community and that’s what this show is going to be instead of one day a week we’re gonna we’re gonna be five days a week right now everything’s keeps growing and good and we’re gonna be busy building we’re gonna be busy building the epo okay thanks jason paul thanks for having me i appreciate it a lot it’s been a great pleasure let me say goodbye to these guys okay well all you people out there
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and some of you we can’t see and you can’t see us but if if you’ll go up there to the websites you’ll be able to explore this and you’re going to be as passionate as we are about it so we’re k-a-k-u 88.5 fm the voice of maui we thank uh the maui community media akaku and kaku radio for uh getting this out here on maui and being such an important part of our community and to the world we hope to be the site that you continue to go back to mauiartsandmusic.org and you’ll see shows there and see
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artists we’re going to have paul up there going to make a link with some pictures toward his art and all kinds of stuff there and if you have music we’ll even have you in the music section but we are looking for you to be part of what we do because we i really believe that the reason that that i have been doing all this is to get you off that couch and and be an active part of saving our planet you know we can do it yeah thank you buddy thank you thanks jason thank you guys see you next week aloha
