Show # 91– 6-11–2020 Jason spends an hour with an actress, performer, poet, author, Director of Maui’s African American Association, GWYN GORG. Gwyn is a dynamic Pioneer Woman, Spiritual leader in song at Agape Church in LA, House of Blues … speaking in these COVID19-George Floyd- Unprecedenting times-2020.
Summary & Timestamped transcript below…
Core Points
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[00:00 → 05:20]
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Gwyn Gorg, an African American activist and educator, shares her background and experiences with racial integration and civil rights.
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She married a German American man in 1963 during a time when interracial marriage was socially unacceptable, facing hostility and prejudice.
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They moved to Hawaii in 1970 to escape racial tensions and later Gwyn worked extensively with youth to promote self-acceptance beyond race, religion, or nationality.
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Gwyn emphasizes the importance of speaking out against injustice and the responsibility she feels to share her views, especially concerning kindness and understanding among people.
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Jason Schwartz shares his own upbringing in Harlem and early experiences with race, highlighting the impact of integration and civil rights movements on his beliefs.
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[05:20 → 13:08]
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The conversation explores the ongoing challenges of racism in America, including the institutionalized discrimination faced by African Americans.
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Gwyn recounts personal and family experiences with racism, such as cross burnings and social exclusion.
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Despite hardships, Gwyn focuses on love, acceptance, and setting good examples rather than hatred or bitterness.
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Music and the arts are discussed as unifying forces that transcend racial divides and foster greater acceptance.
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Gwyn reflects on her lifelong idealism and hope that younger generations, aided by technology, will be more inclusive and accepting.
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[13:08 → 20:03]
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The importance of being visible and vocal in advocating for racial justice and inclusion is stressed.
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Gwyn discusses the delicate balance between acknowledging specific racial issues (e.g., Black Lives Matter) and embracing a universal message of all lives mattering.
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She highlights the significance of confronting negative or racist remarks within social groups to foster a culture of respect and love.
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Gwyn shares her philosophy of prioritizing love and kindness, even when faced with hatred or misunderstanding.
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The conversation touches on the psychological roots of racism, especially fear and subconscious thought patterns that shape behavior.
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[20:03 → 27:36]
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Gwyn advocates for self-awareness and consciousness as tools to overcome fear, hatred, and division.
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She emphasizes the need for individuals to care for their own mental, physical, and spiritual health as a foundation for societal improvement.
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Financial integration and shared prosperity are proposed as means to reduce racial and social prejudices by alleviating fear of loss and greed.
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The discussion includes ideas about a participatory marketplace model where wealth is shared broadly, potentially uplifting marginalized communities and reducing unemployment.
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Gwyn criticizes over-dependence on tourism in Hawaii and calls for greater self-reliance and balance to preserve the environment and quality of life.
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[27:36 → 35:11]
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The environmental impacts of excessive tourism and consumption are highlighted, with a call for moderation and respect for nature.
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Gwyn recounts her activism during the civil rights and anti-Vietnam War movements, underscoring ongoing responsibility to promote peace and justice.
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She expresses hope that current societal challenges may lead to new awareness and positive change, referencing the “Age of Aquarius” as a metaphor for a new era of consciousness.
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Gwyn advocates for relaxing, connecting with nature, and quiet reflection as ways to reduce anxiety, fear, and anger, thus allowing love to flourish.
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[35:11 → 41:54]
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Gwyn stresses the essential practice of self-love and self-acceptance as prerequisites for loving others and creating harmonious communities.
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She encourages daily quiet time or meditation to calm the nervous system and foster inner peace.
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Gwyn shares insights from her experiences living in remote natural settings and how many people struggle with being alone or simply with themselves.
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The conversation concludes with Gwyn reading an original poem celebrating nature, stillness, and personal awareness.
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Gwyn is currently writing her first novel and remains committed to being a visible example of love, kindness, and integration.
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Key Conclusions
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[04:40 → 10:49]
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Racism remains a pervasive and institutionalized issue in the United States, requiring ongoing activism and awareness.
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Personal experiences of discrimination shape lifelong perspectives and commitments to justice.
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Black Lives Matter is a focused movement addressing specific systemic inequities but exists within a broader context of universal human dignity.
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[08:59 → 20:03]
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Setting positive examples through behavior and attitudes is more impactful than mere words.
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Love, kindness, and understanding are powerful tools against fear-based hatred and division.
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It is essential to actively challenge discriminatory remarks or behaviors in everyday life to foster inclusivity.
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[23:16 → 27:36]
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Consciousness and awareness at mental, physical, and spiritual levels are critical for personal growth and social harmony.
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Economic inequality and segregation fuel prejudice; shared prosperity can reduce fear and increase cooperation.
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A systemic shift toward participatory economics and community wealth-building could transform social dynamics.
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[27:36 → 31:29]
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Environmental sustainability and balanced resource use are crucial for future community well-being.
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Community resilience depends on self-reliance and moderation rather than overdependence on external industries like tourism.
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Historical activism provides a foundation for current efforts toward peace, justice, and social equity.
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[33:23 → 35:11]
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Self-care, self-awareness, and quiet reflection are fundamental practices that enhance individual well-being and collective harmony.
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Inner peace allows for greater compassion and lessens fear-driven conflict.
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[39:01 → 41:54]
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True integration and unity require moving beyond racial labels that may cause separation, while still honoring diversity.
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Leading by example in love, generosity, and kindness can inspire others and build stronger communities.
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Technology and media offer opportunities to amplify messages of inclusion globally.
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Important Details
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[01:27 → 03:20]
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Gwyn’s interracial marriage in 1963 was rare and faced societal disapproval and prejudice.
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Their decision to move to Hawaii was partly to escape racial discrimination experienced on the mainland.
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Gwyn’s work in Los Angeles included roles as a performer, history consultant, and sound assistant at spiritual centers.
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[06:39 → 10:49]
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Gwyn’s father lived to 101 and was a musician and recycler, embodying a spirit of resourcefulness and community engagement.
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She recalls that certain neighborhoods were unsafe due to Ku Klux Klan activity during her youth.
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Music and the arts provided a unifying outlet that transcended racial barriers.
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[18:22 → 19:27]
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Gwyn strongly opposes silence in the face of racism or prejudice, advocating for calm but clear opposition to discriminatory remarks.
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She maintains friendships worldwide and values connections that transcend race and nationality.
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[25:46 → 26:26]
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The concept of a participatory marketplace is introduced, where wealth generated by commerce is shared among participants to promote economic equality.
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Gwyn notes that during the COVID-19 pandemic, some people experienced higher income from unemployment benefits than ever before, illustrating economic imbalances.
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[28:23 → 29:35]
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Tourism in Maui has reached unsustainable levels, with 60,000 travelers per day overwhelming local infrastructure and natural resources.
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Gwyn prefers fewer tourists, advocating for environmental balance and improved air quality.
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[33:53 → 35:46]
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Gwyn recommends at least 15 minutes a day of quiet meditation or nature connection to reduce anxiety and increase spiritual clarity.
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She recounts experiences with a psychiatrist friend whose patients struggled with self-acceptance and seeing themselves fully.
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[38:20 → 39:46]
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Gwyn reads her poem “An Homage to Trees,” which evokes nature’s tranquility and spiritual renewal through quiet reflection among trees.
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She is currently working on her first novel and remains active in community education and activism.
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[40:26 → 41:54]
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The Maui Neutral Zone platform aims to showcase diverse voices and foster community understanding through interviews and sharing stories.
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Gwyn’s website is www.wymt.com, providing further resources and contact information.
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This comprehensive discussion blends personal narrative, historical context, spiritual philosophy, and community activism into a message of hope, responsibility, and unity amid ongoing social challenges.
Transcript
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[Music] although hi everyone I’m your host Jason Schwartz this is the Maui neutral zone Maui neutral zone calm I have a great guest today someone that I have been hoping to have on for a long time you guys know that this neutral zone was created so that I can have all kinds of opinions and we’re not here we never even carry a sword to this to this thing you know some people think that interviewers are there to kind of trick them up and so that’s not who I am and over these years I’ve had I have a board
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member named Rayfield Johnson who was walking with dr. King first of all this is Gwyn Gorg Gwyn I don’t want to just be sitting at you welcome to our show well thank you Aloha everyone well why don’t you tell everyone on your official position and then I’ll tell them my story about you african-americans in Maui Association that’s one official position another oh by the way let me let me interrupt if you hear the roosters in the background there’s nothing I can do about that
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because where I live is very very rural and there are many many chickens so if you hear the chicken so just know that really but anyway back to official titles I think the most impressive official title that I have is that I have been married my husband I’ve been there for 56 and a half years which is rare we met many many years ago in the civil rights movement we knew each other for exactly three weeks when we got married and of course my mother it was you know what’s the matter with you you
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don’t even know this guy bla bla bla bla and so um my husband is German American I’m African American and that was in 1963 and of course you know interracial marriages or whatever the word is or frowned upon by all kinds of people you know it’s very sometimes sometimes it was not pleasant when we’d have to go places or when I’d have to go places and they’d see my children because my children were a lighter skin if I was in a black neighborhood a white neighborhood they see me and ask me if I
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was a housekeeper and you know just absurd kinds of carrying on you know and so someone said why don’t you guys move to Hawaii nobody’s gonna care and so in 1970 we moved to the big island and we lived on the Big Island for almost ten years and then I went to Oahu to finish my studies and graduated from the University of Hawaii and then we moved back to the mainland for a while where I became very active and mainly working with younger people hoping to help them to feel good about themselves and to
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know that no matter what their race religion nationality ultimately didn’t really matter if you like yourself you know and so I worked at the House of Blues as a performer history consultant and did that for about seven years and then I worked at agape international spiritual Center and Los Angeles with Michael Beckwith and Mickey Beckwith that was really really a great experience I was a sound assistant and I learned as I did it I’ve never done it before but it’s so much fun so anyway um
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what can I say what can i what can I say I’m always appreciative of Ann ah excuse me okay say that one again you’re always appreciative I’m always appreciative of an opportunity when I’m allowed to speak a little to more people just to share some of my views I think that um when you see what goes on around the world there’s so many people suffering there’s so many people who are afraid there’s so many people work or a mean-spirited but you know there are so many good people
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like us and so I feel a responsibility I feel like when the opportunity allows itself I have I’m required to speak out you know I’ve been around this Sun many times I’ve got my oldest granddaughter right now will be 21 in a few weeks and I’ve got six grandchildren and so as I was saying when I look around and see how people can be so unkind to each other you know it’s like I don’t understand it Jason I just don’t get it well I you know I have a similar situation let me give you my little
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upbringing yeah yeah you know I’m I’m 69 years old so I was born 1951 the first camera stuff I ever remember seeing was me and my brother and my parents my father was managing WT grant company at 125th Street and Broadway in New York in Harlem so also was a black family and me and and the whole place was all black and we were the only white guys and then as I was growing up I never really thought about race as an issue and suddenly I got into high school and Arthur Price Hawks daughter generator
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project was there she was the only black in school and somehow I was so impacted by that experience my high school yearbook quote is don’t discriminate goodness comes in many colors this was God we only want you know I was such an impactful I never know this race thing was such a big deal that was 1969 and things were going on and then the things were going on more and more you were already now married for a couple of years right so you a couple years ahead of me well I married in 1963 so people talk to me
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about but they don’t remember 1968 remember the Chicago and the race riots and all that happened a lot of people I thought we came through that and people like you and I who were so now we’re adults that we were going to be growing up to be a society that really knew what it meant to integrate and be fair here you are all these years later we’re seeing the same thing you know there are some people like us that I keep thinking I have to be more visible about my openness and I I don’t
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want to say not racial if people say you got to be anti-racist I’m learning terms that I never really you never looked at myself you know I don’t mean to be disrespectful when I say all people matter but people said oh you can’t do that because that diminishes the fact that black lives matter is a focused effort which I don’t want to diminish but I’ve been you know yeah when I first met you you were in the college I went to the college and there was something going on either you were speaking there
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or you were a professor there I wasn’t exactly sure but you and your husband both were there I was just impressed with you guys were comfortable and there were young students both black and white and otherwise and somehow here we’re very blessed but yet I hear I know when I think of racism I think of the Hawaiian and haole thing I never think about black but you can probably tell me here in this island and open my eyes or my my guy my thing right field he’s I never said oh yeah he’s black and I know
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I’ve made an issue of it but now it’s I’m really I have an issue with suddenly feeling like someone’s wondering if I’m not being social and I’m not being right somehow when I I’d like to see every that’s why I always I’m talking too much I keep thinking that the only all this stuff is talk it’s our action that’s gonna make the difference yes we are with each other yeah absolutely what what do we see it out there now what do you think it is well III agree
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with you we can talk and talk and talk but I always say it’s setting good examples in everything that we do in our actions when we have our own private thoughts and no one knows what we’re thinking how good or how pure our house you know is it are they life-affirming thoughts or are they thoughts based out of fear that will create hatred and all of those other things that are so negative so sending good examples and it’s not always easy you know I’m not perfect and you can ask my children that billet you
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know I’ve got five adult children so but I do know that it’s extremely important and we talk about black lives matter and I certainly agree I was in the civil rights movement I’ve experienced racism all of my life how could I not and what I really would I would I believe my own personal belief is that I get to be black african-americans Negro whatever tag you want to put on it I get to do that this lifetime so that I get to feel more and understand more and have more appreciation for what some people have
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had to go through but black lives matter all lives matter we all matter you know it’s just in our particular circumstance in the United States black be an african-american has been so institutionalized in so many places and it’s a really big deal you know I’ve got friends I grew up in Los Angeles right in Santa Monica and Venice and Culver City and Beverly Hills and all these places and I remember when I was in high school we couldn’t go to covert City after nine o’clock because there is an
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active Ku Klux Klan group there we couldn’t go to Inglewood not Inglewood a Westchester my sister and her husband were professionals there was a cross burned on their lawn and so you know so I mean all of that stuff has been very pervasive for years and so I understand some black men can go out and you don’t know they’re gonna come back again so I know where the focus is and why there’s so much focus on you’ve lived with that your whole life absolutely absolutely I used to watch my father have to act
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sometimes like a buffoon I didn’t understand that until I became older oh you’d have to laugh and act a certain way in order to you know get what he needed from the white men who he was trading with and so you know but my father it was interesting he was born in 1918 he died last year was 101 years old but in spite of all of his lack of education and lack of whatever was lacking he still had a good life you know he was a musician and he liked everybody and that’s what I remember that’s what I learned about what I
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learned from my parents everybody was welcome in our home and from when I was a little girl living in San Antonio Texas there were all kinds of people I didn’t realize until later it’s just different races and my mother always we would never allow to say hey she said that’s such a horrible horrible word it has such a horrible feeling so we couldn’t say you know so when you grew up your father was an active musician he was he had his Benz was that his main jag or no no my father no his main gig actually my father was a
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recycler before anyone ever was doing recycling I remember we’d be places and he’d see oh that’s a piece of brass oh that’s me and he take these barrels they would take this stuff and he’d sell it that was years ago but then what he did he opened the tire business where he I’m not sure exactly what he did but I know he did something with tires and recycled tires later he was selling some of the tires to different countries where they were using the rubber to melt down and
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I’m not sure but yeah my dad my dad was quite a character he was you know an extrovert well you know there was a musician here named Jose Ortiz out of he knew him but he had Citro which is Ortiz backwards recycling DNA and then the county expanded the recycling stuff literally drove him out of business who is a wonderful man and musician but I find maybe musicians we have an extra advantage in that well how someone plays we don’t look who they are what color they are there are attitudes apart you know the
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gigantic melting pot of music is I agree well with many artists you know it’s a way creative people get to express themselves and it’s so needed because so many people that are so many people don’t recognize their creative abilities and they sort of walk around like sheep and there are a lot of people like that the sheeples and so I what I have discovered that people who I mean it’s an over it’s a generalization but I have noticed that people who tend to be creative whatever that’s are acting
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dancing writing singing whatever it is there tends to be more acceptance they seem to accept others easily you know I remember as a young person when I finally started I was a theater arts major so I was very very involved in theater and performances in Los Angeles them hanging out with friends up in all of these places that I wouldn’t even have gone to had I not had that in my life you know but yeah III don’t know Jason I sometimes you know when I was marching in the civil rights movement in
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the 1960s I guess maybe I was very naive very idealistic and people told me well as you grow older you lose your idealism and I said no I don’t ever want to lose my idealism and so I don’t think I have and sometimes maybe people have said well you’re very naive and I said well it’s okay as long as I’m careful you think they’re now with the young people and all this technology it’s becoming easier for young people to accept everybody more I don’t know I’m um I hope so I know they can get
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closer really quick all over the world you know it was very evident with Gorg Floyd’s death recently when you could see all over the world because of technology you know and so hopefully it will have a very very very positive effect I’m I’m I don’t subscribe so much the technology I use it because I’m a writer I use it when I can but I don’t even have a fancy phone I have a little flip top phone that people laugh at I don’t care you know but I’m I you know what my preference is
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to be in nature of my preferences to be in my garden my preference is to be in the trees and appreciating all of the amazingly wonderful blessings that we had and I’m so grateful to be able to live in Hawaii so grateful you know I’m happy to be here with you on this zoom call because we me and the rest of the world get to come into your life and get you up close and the people want what you’ve got which is a beautiful sanctuary imagine how fortunate we are here in Maui right now absolutely all that’s
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going on I mean if the kovat 19 thing wasn’t enough and then we throw in a little more problem with race and elections and all that stuff and meanwhile here we are I feel so blessed every day yeah so that’s where I focus I you know my partner Ariel and yesterday I was talking to David Lipman and he said oh when my partner’s mom his partner is Christine whose mother you would probably remember him right yes yes and you know there are so many people that were walking and talking that were white with you but we haven’t
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visible like I say it would that be helpful or is that yes to be more visible absolutely absolutely because I think that’s I think that’s extremely necessary it’s extremely essential it’s more you know it’s it’s really really necessary for those people who know that there’s a better way to not be afraid to represent that it’s extremely it’s not okay to be quiet I always tell people I give you a real simple example I said when we were together with our families and
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Thanksgiving our other holidays and we’re usually one group and someone in our group makes a negative comment about another group maybe racially or maybe their religion or something it’s not okay to just sit quiet it’s not okay to get we don’t have to become confrontational we don’t have to do that but we have to let people know that that’s not acceptable here that’s just not okay and I don’t feel comfortable when you defame others I don’t feel comfortable when you I don’t care what
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their race you know I feel for myself I’m gonna brag a little bit about myself Jason I feel so blessed because I don’t look at people based on their race I just look at people and hope our hearts connect and as a result I don’t really do Facebook but I did it because of a project and I looked on there I had I had so many friends I couldn’t believe it people from all over the world everywhere every continent and that’s probably because I taught so many students from everywhere but I just you
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know and I and I just feel like I can really deeply it’s really it’s a real serious thing for me to set a good example I I have to do that I have to think first about love and when people don’t like me that’s not a like business as long as I can be safe and be just not make foolish mistakes if I were living certain places I know not to go into those places because it might be harmful but I know that there will be people who don’t like me people who might hate me that’s their problem that’s their
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problem it’s got nothing to do with me what has did you know what happened what what I am responsible for is Who am I there it is right there it’s like it’s not your problem it’s theirs but the way I look at it is and there’s where my my job is to be such a good example of a beautiful giving loving person who I feel I want to express that they melt that is there anything that they’ve got going on dissolves yes yeah because most of its always based on fear you know we don’t we don’t even know each other
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but form these opinions that have nothing to do with anything except the way we think another thing I’ve told my children is that one of our biggest obstacles is the way we think it’s just the way we think if we could relax let go of the fear and when we get so angry and upset just relax for a moment go outside be in the trees you know nobody can say go look at a rainbow you know appreciate how blessed we are to be able to live here but there’s work to be done there’s there will be continuous work
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there’s a lot of work to be done but fortunately there are a lot of good people who are helping to uplift some of the negative negative thoughts and actions do you find that I’m sure there’s a lot of anger do you have leaders in the community that you spot that are putting out the love in a way that I mean I watch I in very strong eye in Adams when she delivers you know and does her Martin Luther King speech or just in general what she’s doing strong personality you get to see when you see
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a gentle and loving person or someone like yourself who’s very strong and capable out there and also shows I want to say the soft underbelly we’re all the same we’re all loving we have such a beautiful local community here but these are all more I mean you can probably rattle off names meals so people but we’re all part of a community here yes wish them and would look here and see that that exists beautifully here I mean is there a separate do you see a separateness or an integration here in some way what
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what’s your opinion of what you see here in Maui well you know I just say people are people are people are people are people wherever you go in the world you find some people who have one perspective and you have others who have others and I always say it has to do with levels of consciousness how conscious am I about any and that could be with people in my family with friends with everyone it’s our level of consciousness or where am i how i where and if i am aware of things that limit my progress like fear
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and all of that then I have to try to work on there but I don’t know how many people are aware because so many people so many people behave and allow their sub consciousness to control them you know but it’s being aware it’s being conscious it’s being conscious and that’s physically mentally spiritually it’s being conscious do I care enough about my body to take care of my body temple do I want to put things in my body that are life-affirming do I want to do that what are my
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thoughts light or my thoughts like are my thoughts those that are illuminating or my thoughts those that will help to make the world a better place you know and spiritually what is my spiritual focus my spiritual focus is my own private focus has nothing to do with anyone elses opinions it’s myself with my connection to what I call the source and however the source and I are connected that’s my own private personal way that I exist in the universe you know and so I think if we can just set
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good example stop trying to change each other each of us has our own path set good examples be a good example and whatever we do whatever we say whatever however you know and like me yeah and I have another one that it’s not really at all controversial there are so many people that want to help all kinds of different things but it doesn’t help them like if I said we want to help the nonprofit for African Americans or I want to help the Sierra Club or I wonder whether some of the separation happens because our finances
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are separated there’s something cold and I’m going to share with you you’ll see it was a participation marketplace meaning Jeff Bezos who owns Amazon as he sells things all over the world he makes money what if so that money was shared with his members the people that are buyers yeah participation marketplace and one where now if black and white and this group and that group by the nature of the way this membership thing is structured everyone will be flourishing 45 million people unemployed and suddenly through
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doing what they are already doing elevate and do things in a they call it a disruptive situation mm-hmm do you think I keep thinking that if people start earning together like this stimulus I know people right now that are like yeah we like this this kovat thing we’re getting eight hundred and sixty dollars a week we never made that ever in our life we’re 75 years old and the unemployment thing we qualify and what I’m sharing is if money flows better and integrated I think a lot of the prejudice might go
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away if there was not this fear of loss I know why does the what why is that white guy not liking that other person doesn’t want to pay more take advantage is it money now I think it is that’s part of it that’s part of it it’s not just money it’s greed it’s like it’s okay to have money but when do you get enough so that you willing to share you know I like there was a philosophy in Fiji that I learned years ago and no one really owned anything you have on that beautiful blue
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shirt that’s it Oh Jason I really love that shirt and at some point you offer that shirt to me you know and so it just it was a continuum you know so money is money is absolutely unnecessary in our materialistic way of life and I like to think that if I have a lot and those around me don’t have what kind of joy do I have in my life if I haven’t no one around me is flourishing and enjoying but that Jason that’s because you are more enlightened because like I said before it’s about levels of
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consciousness people can only be who they are and all we can do is set examples that’s where I figure that if we created financial abundance from everyone together when you have extra I’m watching people now buying friends lunch and it’s a really intense when they certainly have a cash flow it’s very dangerous putting a lot of money in the hands of old people i spended stimulated I personally I don’t mean to be rude about it but I like it without 17,000 rental cars on the road oh I like
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the idea of tourists but I like the fact that I don’t see many of them I love I love it I love it it reminds me so much of when we first came to Hawaii in 1970 and you know I I love tourists I respect people because they’re people like anyone but it gets to a point where if we are so dependent upon tourism for our sustainability then we are really limiting what the possibilities are if we could become more self-sufficient self-reliant and I’m not sure how to monitor the tourist industry but I know
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it was out of hand what did we get last year we had over three million tourists come to our island you know the number that I heard was 60,000 travelers a day that’s 62 30 per day and look at all of those cars I mean it’s it’s no wonder we are where we are it just makes no sense and it’s all based on greed it’s like when is there enough when can we just balance it so we can have good air just good air you know and look animals all over the world animals have come out again they’ve been
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so afraid because they’ve been so many people out you know and so how do we balance all of this what do we do I don’t have the answers I just know from my own personal self what I am responsible for you know I years ago I wasn’t I was I was out marching and demonstrating probably more than most people have you know I was um I was involved with the Vietnam War I was involved with anti racial civil rights and I remember the night that Martin Luther King got assassinated I was the only woman out with all of these men and
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Los Angeles going door to door and all over trying to help young people remain peaceful and calm and quiet all night long I did that you know and so I forgot the point I was making but I just know that we have a responsibility and it’s continuing and if it can be through what you were saying about sharing money and helping to raise the economy yes absolutely absolutely whatever we can do to make it more balanced I’m gonna I’m gonna show you that and I’ll be showing these guys because uh I think it’s a
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we’ve had a lot of ideas but somehow just like you say the animals are coming out certainly when things are getting difficult some of the ideas I’ve been carrying and others are carrying are suddenly seeing the light of day yes and it’s like we’ve been talking about it now the necessity is there and they are just coming forward so this hopefully is the dawn of you know they that song was pretty right the dawn of the Age of Aquarius you know there’s a choice that we are making we’re saving our own lives all
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that stuff beautiful can we be we can be beautiful if we choose to be a black woman I don’t know what to say exactly it’s but it’s we don’t I don’t want people saying oh you didn’t say she was african-american and she wanted you know I’m not trying to in any way diminish it but I you know people relax relax just relax what didn’t matter if I’m if you don’t say I’m African American or European American or Japanese American what’s it not just relax I’m always reminding people because I
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noticed it a lot people will refer to you know that holly guy you know that japanese guy you know like why is that necessary little things like that matter if we could just say hey you know that guy over there you know the one with the white beard the blue shirt you know and doesn’t matter to identify one’s race because what it does it causes separation it’s not necessary if we have to do it from time that’s okay but every time we identify a person we have to call out their race it separates
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us you know it separates us and we are all different and it’s lovely and it’s wonderful and if we can if we can learn to appreciate ourselves to appreciate our own innate beauty and appreciate how kind we are appreciate how generous we are how compassionate we are how loving how non-judgmental if we can learn to appreciate those things then we don’t have so much time to be bothering and talking and gossiping about others you know there’s a lot of work just get myself where I can feel good as a person
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where I know that my thoughts are good where I know that I’m generous and kind that’s what we need to work on we first start with ourselves start with me I start with me and once I start with me and when things pop into my head that I think oh I shouldn’t think that or why am I thinking that be aware of ourselves then we can go out and be more kind than living to others but we started ourselves it’s that same is that same old adage like if you’re on the airplane and you’re saving people give yourself
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the oxygen first then you’ll be able to save others but before we go out doing anything examine yourselves and though how do we examine so quiet get quiet each day find some time to be quiet 15 minutes minimum I call it any time there’s a time during the day that’s just reserved for Gwyn it doesn’t mean I don’t love others but I love Gwyn and I have to get Gwyn together before I can do anything else I have to be with Quinn and I and if I’m quiet I don’t have to ask I’m gonna do
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anything when it’s a form of meditation but if I’m quiet with Gwyn everything else evolves so beautifully but if I’m struggling trying to figure this out with that out of them analyzing it just creates more confusion and chaos get quiet with ourselves it’s essential get quiet turn off all of the electronics go up by a tree appreciate the flowers just get quiet if we do that we get to calm down our nervous systems if we calm down our nervous systems we let go of so much anxiety we let go of anxiety we get to
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relax and let go of some of the fears and the confusion and once we do that more love can come forth more love can erupt it’s really really simple you just have to trust trust ourselves just trust don’t be afraid to be quiet you know Jason at one point my husband and I we’ve lived in some really really wonderful places we lived up near um we were at one point we lived we were 20 minutes from Yosemite where we live way up into the woods then another part time we lived in a place north of San
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Francisco far up into the mountains and people would come and they’d be so uncomfortable they say oh it’s so quiet up here I love it and when we when we needed music and we heard there was music there is everything but it was quiet and people had a difficult time being with themselves you know they have a difficult time I had a friend once listen to this one I’m not sure this x-rated or not but I had a friend who was a psychiatrist and my friend told me that when he had private sessions with
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some of his patients most of them have never seen their bodies naked they never looked at their bodies naked because people are so afraid they’re so controlled and so confused and he said I would just tell them don’t do anything just look at yourself appreciate who you are nothing else that was the assignment and that was so difficult and so you know it’s like we love ourselves then we love others it’s essential love yourself check out your toes and your feet and your ankles and
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your eyes and your and your stomach in your chest how do you feel let your body feel good you’ll be happy and you can spread it to others and remember none of us can be anymore than we are because if all is based on levels of consciousness well you’re just such a beautiful woman such a wonderful example of integration of everything yeah thank you for being a great example to me and everybody thank you very much anything you want to tell them before we go cuz I’m not sure which one all right
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something is pretty I like this one it’s called an homage to Trine’s because I really like treats okay walking alone on a tree on treeline paths leading to more tree line paths a continuous repetition of the same where absolute stillness reminds me each of my steps and invasion into the silence that only nature can hear and my solitude as I respectfully honor the feathered ones sharing their continuous melodic mantras while configuring while engulfing the surroundings as peers on pleasure vibrating my aural receptors in
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my Alumnus my awareness becomes magnified carefully placing my steps like footsteps gliding along well-traveled paths where the presence of peace and tranquillity of my reminded me of my responsibilities reminding me of my embedded footprint I become more aware of unconscious disturbances and the quietness I absorb the radiance as I allow it to penetrate my being I access the uninterrupted vibrations emanating from the ethers I permit the stillness to enter into my private places where only the me dwells in this acceptance
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visions of clarity manifest solutions reveal themselves and my soundless acceptance with trees lining the panics reaching to infinity bearing witness to a newly born awareness a sweet remembrance of innocence and a newly realized freedom burst forth envelops me unrestrained happiness takes control the wind halts like trees in readiness and the new me emerges in the dance of a recently found rhythm in the peace and comfort dwelling amongst the trees beautiful nice feeling is that and you write all the time you became the
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favorite and I’m writing my first novel now I hope you’ll come back and share some of that another time here with me and Jason thank you so much for the work you’re doing thank you thank you thank you you’re welcome you know I’m I like to say I’m sort of like Vanna White I keep introducing everybody some you know at some point we’ll look at simple things I’ll do it but I this community is so rich with beautiful people like yourself that’s what I’m trying to
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really do is show our community all these great pieces that fit together and you know we are so like you said so many times here we are very blessed to be here and may we take it to even greater heights through our understanding of and putting out into example of what it is to love each other Thank You Gwyn for being here with me and with everybody here thank you thank you guys out there for joining us if you want to get in touch with Gwyn do we want to give Glen’s oh my website it’s www.wymt.com Gwyn Gorg calm yay and
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we’re putting it up through the show so you love be easy time Blin thank you again for being with us thank you guys for being with us we will see you again at the Maui neutral zone calm we’re on kak u radio and ikkaku Maui community tell these to be television now it’s Maui community media because we’re everything’s on YouTube and up on the web we’re in an age where this message can be all around the world so if you like what you’re hearing no matter where you are you can be with us and part of
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what we’re doing it we’re part of you blessings thank you everyone thank you hello [Music]
