Life Here on Maui, Hawaii… Jason Schwartz with HENRY KAHULA JR.., candidate for Council seat in Maui, Hawaii 2014, Makawao Paia Haiku district
Summary & Transcript
[00:01 → 02:44] Introduction and Motivation for Running
Henry Kahula Jr., a long-time Maui resident and community member, is running for the County Council in 2014. He previously ran in 1994 for Council and Mayor and twice for the state House in 2006 and 2008. Henry emphasizes the importance of voters knowing the candidates beyond brief Q&A forums, as this transparency helps voters make informed decisions. His motivation stems from observing persistent issues in the community that remain unaddressed despite multiple administrations. Running for office is his way to bring attention to these problems, create a public record, and push for solutions, even if he does not always win. He stresses that many candidates run because they see issues that politicians ignore, hoping their voices influence future policy. He critiques the lack of continuity between administrations, where each new leadership takes a different direction, causing stalled progress on critical issues.
[02:44 → 07:46] Role of Council and Specific Local Issues
Henry believes the County Council is the governing body closest to the community, best positioned to address local matters such as infrastructure. He highlights a specific local controversy involving the Montana building at Baldwin Park, which was costly to build, litigate over, and is now being torn down at additional expense to taxpayers. He suggests more creative uses for such assets, like leasing to the movie industry, but laments that administration officials do not listen to taxpayer ideas. He recounts past efforts to raise these concerns with officials and church members, but notes commitments were sidestepped in favor of other priorities.
Henry criticizes the decision-making process, where the Mayor often acts unilaterally (e.g., deciding to demolish the federal building), and the Council only reacts afterwards, often investigating costly mistakes. He calls this inefficient and harmful to public welfare. He also stresses that investigations and court costs are ultimately paid by taxpayers, pointing to the Montana building saga as an example of mismanagement.
[07:46 → 11:46] Impact of Leadership Continuity and Infrastructure Concerns
Henry argues that re-electing the same officials yields no real change because their mindset and approaches remain the same. He uses the analogy of a car that keeps missing and breaking down: “if you like the car, keep it; if not, change it.” He questions whether a change in mayoral leadership alone would solve systemic problems, suggesting that the ongoing issues are deeper and structural.
He shares examples of neglected projects, such as the Kula bypass and community parks. For instance, a beachfront park area remains overgrown with invasive kiawe trees years after a prior administration promised cleanup and revitalization. Different administrations repeatedly shift priorities, leaving projects incomplete.
[11:46 → 16:50] Transportation and Development Ideas
Henry proposes practical solutions to traffic congestion and community growth, particularly in Paia. He suggests constructing a new highway through the flat cane fields between the airport and Paia, which would alleviate daily traffic backups. This would involve tearing up the old Hana Highway in some sections and creating new connections to Baldwin Park and schools, utilizing existing roads and land to minimize costs.
He emphasizes the potential for development in Paia’s business district, which currently struggles due to lack of parking and accessibility, contributing to local businesses closing (e.g., a pharmacy). Improved infrastructure could support local commerce and growth.
Henry critiques the layered bureaucracy and expensive studies that delay progress, advocating instead for “keeping it simple” (KISS principle). He notes that many ideas could have been implemented years ago without costly analysis.
[16:50 → 22:06] Community Impact and Traffic Light Example
Henry recalls the installation of a traffic light at the intersection of Baldwin Avenue and Hana Highway, which was intended to manage mill worker traffic but was installed after the mill closed. This unnecessary traffic light now causes daily backups, exacerbating congestion rather than alleviating it. Despite recommendations to temporarily disable the light for traffic studies, the city kept it in place due to political concerns and sunk costs, leading to further expenses in maintenance and replacement.
This example illustrates how decisions made without community input and proper evaluation result in long-term inefficiencies and wasted resources.
[22:06 → 29:37] Serving Multiple Districts and Addressing Broader Issues
Though Henry resides in Paia and is running for the Maui Council seat representing Paia-Haiku-Pukalani, he acknowledges that voters from all over Maui (Kahului, Kihei, Lahaina) can vote for him. He expresses confidence in addressing issues across the island, citing his extensive local experience.
Henry criticizes the cyclical nature of politics where the same officials rotate in and out, driven by financial incentives rather than community welfare. He observes that many incumbents care more about maintaining income than solving problems. This cycle perpetuates stagnation and worsening conditions.
He notes that while no single person can fix everything alone, a council member can be an effective voice to push for change.
[29:37 → 34:09] Entrepreneurship and Homelessness Solutions
Henry discusses the county’s use of contracts to outsource park maintenance, which can promote entrepreneurship by enabling local contractors to bid on jobs and manage their own workforce and resources. He suggests this approach is more efficient and predictable financially for the county.
He connects promoting entrepreneurship to economic improvement and homelessness alleviation: more people working for themselves means more income and less poverty. He applauds the city bus system as a positive development that connects rural residents to opportunities.
Henry highlights that the community’s economic struggles stem from reduced jobs and income, which makes rent and living expenses unaffordable for many.
[34:09 → 40:31] Infrastructure, Eminent Domain, and Land Use
Henry revisits infrastructure challenges, emphasizing the need for long-term, continuous planning rather than piecemeal efforts that shift with each administration. He supports regular inspections and maintenance of infrastructure systems, coordinated with community plans, to ensure sustainable growth.
He advocates for exercising eminent domain where appropriate to build essential infrastructure like highways and roads, particularly through underutilized cane fields. While recognizing complexities such as land leases from Hawaiian homelands and the Hawaiian government, he stresses that such actions are necessary to improve traffic and development.
He notes that large parcels of land, like those near C School, have been unused for years, suggesting these could be developed if infrastructure allowed.
[40:31 → 48:53] Innovative Ideas for Highway Design and Community Resilience
Henry shares a novel idea to elevate highways above flood and fire zones, reducing maintenance costs and improving safety. He recounts presenting this concept to transportation officials, who dismissed it without serious consideration.
He contrasts his practical, common-sense approach with what he perceives as bureaucratic reluctance to innovate. Henry stresses that public funds are wasted on repeated repairs of infrastructure vulnerable to natural elements when better engineering could prevent these issues.
He also explains the limitations council members face due to Sunshine Law restrictions, which prevent close collaboration with administration officials, thereby complicating governance.
[48:53 → 51:21] Government Processes and Public Accountability
Henry outlines the legislative process: introduction of bills, public hearings where citizens testify, and council deliberations. He stresses that problems can only be addressed if discussed publicly. He criticizes the habitual excuses given by officials for lack of progress, emphasizing the need for accountability and real solutions.
He returns to the Montana building example, questioning why such costly failures occur and why the public continues to bear the financial burden.
[51:21 → 54:33] Personal Background and Vision for Simplicity
Henry shares his personal story as a native of Hana who has lived in Paia since 1972 and runs a Hawaiian food business alongside financial analysis work. He values a simple lifestyle connected to the land, fishing, and community cooperation.
He laments how life has become unnecessarily complicated and expensive, contributing to homelessness and financial hardship despite the abundance of natural resources. Henry advocates for allowing people to live simply and sustainably while enforcing regulations fairly rather than harshly penalizing minor infractions.
[54:33 → 56:47] Employment, Work Ethic, and Economic Reality
Henry emphasizes the importance of work and perseverance, sharing his own experience working multiple jobs to support his family and achieve goals. He acknowledges that many jobs pay low wages but insists that effort is necessary to improve one’s situation.
He notes the county employment office advertises many labor jobs, yet some people avoid work due to low pay or other reasons. He advocates for a productive mindset and utilizing available opportunities.
[56:47 → 01:00:09] Final Reflections and Call to Action
Henry reiterates frustration with repeated government failures—wasted money, broken promises, and unanswered questions about funds saved or spent (e.g., Paia school cafeteria without a kitchen).
He expresses hope that his candidacy allows him to voice these concerns and that whoever wins the election should seriously consider these issues rather than dismissing them outright.
The interview concludes with a reminder that voting is crucial: knowing the candidates and registering to vote empowers citizens to demand accountability and effect change. Henry encourages participation in democratic processes, including absentee ballots, to increase voter turnout and influence.
Key Insights and Conclusions
Henry Kahula Jr. emphasizes continuity and accountability in government, criticizing the cyclical nature of political leadership that impedes consistent progress.
He advocates for practical, community-focused solutions to infrastructure, transportation, and economic development challenges, especially in Paia and surrounding areas.
The Montana building controversy exemplifies costly mismanagement and lack of creative use of public assets.
Henry supports promoting entrepreneurship through county contracts as a strategy to boost local employment and combat homelessness.
He stresses the importance of infrastructure planning aligned with community growth, including the use of eminent domain where necessary.
Innovative ideas, such as elevated highways to mitigate natural disaster damage, are often overlooked by bureaucracy.
Henry’s personal background grounds his vision in simplicity, self-reliance, and sustainable living, contrasting with increasing complexity and economic hardship in Maui.
Voter education and participation are critical to elect representatives who will listen and act on community needs.
Timeline Table of Key Events and Issues
Year/Period
Event/Issue
Notes
1994
Henry Kahula Jr. runs for Council and Mayor
Initial political candidacy
2006 & 2008
Henry runs for House seat twice
Campaigns against incumbent Bob Nakason
~2008
Kula bypass and park cleanup promised but delayed
Multiple administrations fail to follow through
2014
Interview and campaign for County Council
Focus on infrastructure, economic, and community issues
1990s → Present
Montana building saga at Baldwin Park
Costly construction, litigation, demolition, and waste
Cane fields near C School unused; potential for road
Land underutilized, infrastructure needed
Definitions and Concepts
Term
Definition/Explanation
County Council
Local governing body responsible for community issues
Montana Building
Controversial building at Baldwin Park; costly failure
Eminent Domain
Government power to acquire private land for public use
Entrepreneurship
Promoting self-employment and small business ownership
KISS Principle
“Keep It Simple, Stupid”—focus on straightforward solutions
Sunshine Law
Transparency law limiting closed-door meetings
Henry Kahula Jr., Maui County Council, infrastructure, Montana building, Baldwin Park, Paia, traffic congestion, eminent domain, entrepreneurship, homelessness, community planning, voter participation, local government, Hawaiian food business, absentee ballot, economic development, highway proposal.
FAQ
Q: Why is Henry Kahula running for County Council?
A: To address persistent local issues neglected by past administrations, provide continuity, and represent community interests with practical solutions.
Q: What are Henry’s main priorities?
A: Infrastructure improvements, economic development, community parks, traffic mitigation, and promoting entrepreneurship.
Q: What specific infrastructure ideas does Henry propose?
A: Building a highway through flat cane fields connecting the airport to Paia, exercising eminent domain where needed, and elevating highways to reduce maintenance costs.
Q: How does Henry view current government spending?
A: He criticizes wasteful projects like the Montana building, unnecessary traffic lights, and incomplete school facilities that burden taxpayers.
Q: Does Henry believe one person can solve these issues?
A: No, but a council member can be a strong voice for change and help coordinate efforts.
Q: How important is voter participation according to Henry?
A: Extremely important; he urges people to register and vote, including via absentee ballots, to have a say in government.
This comprehensive summary captures the core messages, examples, critiques, and proposals Henry Kahula Jr. discusses in the interview, providing a detailed, professional overview grounded in the transcript.
Transcript
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aloha aloha I am here I’m Jason Schwartz and I’m here with Henry Kahula junior now you’re here for a reason I bet I know why you’re here you’re running for election aren’t you well funny thing you should bring that up yes I am here we are the year 2014 in the year 1994 20 years ago I ran for Council and then mayor there’s now no one knew who I was and over these years people have said God now that we got to know you up close we see you we hear you we like you I decided then that
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I should interview candidates because you could be Mike Molina Mike White no one knows who you are Henry Kahula I want to people to feel and know who you are so that we can vote knowing who we’re voting for a few questions is not really it you came here to run an election because there something that’s driving you we’ll talk about your background in a second but what made you decide to run this time uh there are a number of things that have uh given me the incentive to run so I was also
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candidate for the house seat twice against Bob nakasone in 2006 and 2008 and the reason I ran for office was because there are issues that are never addressed you know and U and I felt that the only way that people were going to hear about it is to get out there and to run for that run for for office and people will listen because this becomes a matter of record see and they’ll take it down and people will listen to it and they’ll have uh you know and they’ll be um uh what do you call
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um you know they they’ll take notes on those things and what I would like you know and my my uh thing was that I was hoping that some of the politicians that were getting in office would take note to that too because see most of us that run for office we run because there are issues that we feel not being addressed and so when we come in and we are we are present ourselves we present our issues and but and we expect that somebody will listen and maybe that maybe we don’t win the election but the people that do take
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notes of that sit down and say well you know we need to take a look at these things here but the thing about it is what the problem that we have is that we have a different Administration this time they’ll go up on their own path that from where the other Administration was before that the administration before that would probably going down this road here the one that comes in after that go down the other Road do you think that there’s uh somehow a continuity that you want to put into place it sounds like you have
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issues that haven’t been addressed and uh do you think it’s a council role to be able to make those changes that why you you’d want to be on the council yeah because I think the council is closer to the community like the at the legisl level you know they’re all making laws and things but the council is supposed to be right there within the community taking a look and addressing the issues that are there for example the infrastructure and things now you you are living here in paa and so you’re
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the MAA Haiku p district but everyone no matter where you are on Maui all three islands if you like Henry kahula you can vote for Henri coola that’s powerful to know you have nine Representatives they have res seat requirements because of what you said there are issues about here that aren’t being addressed that you would like to be able to have address yes see and the thing about it is when like like now while I’m talking to you and you asked me specific questions about certain things you know then I’ll tell
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you about what I think is not being done around here and things that have been lagging for years and years and years and uh but like I said some Sometimes some Administration will come in and H in One Direction the next Administration comes in and they take over another Direction any specific you’d like to mention that well a good example is the Montana case down here at the uh Baldwin Park they had it on front page uh I think it was last week and they’re taking that building apart see what what
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was it that caused that building to be up in the first place and the thing about it is that the the cost of that whole thing is so you know uh I mean it’s so high and and it’s and it’s for no purpose at all and all people are paying for that see they paid to have the building put up they paid for the court cases they paid to pay those people back and now we paying to take it down it’s like a big movie you know whereas I uh I had brought up an idea where why don’t they use it for the movie industry and ask
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the movie industry would you like to lease this building and use that to go make movies but who am I right who am I I’m just a taxpayer nobody hears that nobody hears that see because everybody that’s in the administration only hears themselves they don’t listen to anybody else they say they do but they don’t hear listening and hearing are two different things if you went to I mean there are nine people there have you ever approached any of them about that idea well I I’ll tell you you know like I
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said I ran for office 2006 and 2008 right well prior to that you know some of the people came to my church and I that that that you know bring up these things there are a lot of different things that I have brought up and uh and those things were stuff that had already been Comm sort of there was a commitment that was going to be taken care of but then they kind of got around the commitment and took like I said took another side road and got into something else which they felt were more important
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and like the way uh arakawa quote him when he said that well the council decided and see to me it’s not how that the council would just come out and decide for themselves what they’re going to do take a look at that uh Federal Building the mayor decided they’re going to tear it down the council decided they’re going to investigate it who side is everybody on you know and and it’s it’s things like that see that there’s a commitment to do things but yet they do things that
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that are not uh uh feasable and not and and not for the welfare of the people what what do you think we can do about it to make a change in that area well I think it’s simple I mean if you going to go out go buy a car you go and take a look at the car first and then you decide well let me see you know what’s what’s the good part of that car and then you decide okay well let me talk to salesman and see if these things these benefits or what the benefits are purchasing this vehicle so you don’t
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just go out there and break a building down and then you got the Council on one side and then you got the May on one side and that’s the building is torn down they make a parking lot out of the place and then they turn on say well you know the mayor did it the wrong way so we’re going to have to investigate him who pays for the investigation it’s not free that Montana building down here okay the administration before Al when they put that thing in all right and then after they put it in then arakawa
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comes in he’s trying to clean this mess up and then sharz comes in as mayor then she goes off in another Direction taking care water meters she never to she never did anything to try to take care of that project so here comes araka back in again so he’s still down there cleaning that place up and now they’re tearing the building down and the guy but I quote what they said in the paper but this is good wood now my question is that’s good wood what are you going to do with it because who’s paying for that
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building who paid for it to go up in the first place because we we actually ended up putting the bill for all that and that’s a lot of money Millions went into that and it close to about another million to go down there and tear it down again so I want to say that’s water under the bridge they already made these decisions we still have the same mayor or there are people running against him but he has a a strong lead let’s say right uh do you think a change of administration at the mayor level would make a
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difference that situation is done right water under the bridge so what can we do from here here’s the way I look at it you want to do it some more fine vote for the same guy doesn’t wor ask you I mean if your car your car is missing the thing’s not running right and everything you like the car keep it so you like the car keep it you like the administration they got these people that left raise the taxes raise the fees raise this and raise that and then they turn is up and then they wait a year and then they come back ra
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one term and then they come back go back in again I going to do it again if we get putting the same people back in there do you expect to get a change in the results that you get you keep going down the same road you go will see the same plant the same flowers the same trees every day unless they come down and plant different plants see so if you get the same Administration in there and you know they keep doing the same thing what do you expect to get so here we are we have lots of contenders for a mayor that is
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well funded and you know many people potentially expect him to be there so you feel your role on council could be more valuable because you’re a voice of someone that isn’t in that old circle is that what you say I mean you talked about for example someone who ran five terms goes away for a year or two and then back again you’re talking about someone that you’re running against so there’s an example of what you’re talking about yeah well well my well the reason why I brought that out is because you bring
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the same guys back in what do you think their mindset has changed they think the same way they were thinking when they left the only reason they want to come back because they ain’t making it out there so they want to come back and make the same money they’re making over here because where they’re at now they’re not getting paid the same amount of money so it’s better to come back in and run for Council they get in fine they’re making a lot more money and then they be better
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off than they were before but you are the people better off well that’s another good question do you think that uh you could do as much if you weren’t on Council well one man can’t do it alone you see but the thing about it is this is uh see like we have this place down here in in Kua for example when Linda lingo left that place there was would be cleaned out there was making into beach park and all of that okay that there’s one example I brought it up to the uh that uh that the
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administration that came it at uh uh Shain Bar’s Administration in 2008 why I remember 2008 because she said we’re going to put that in the 2009 budget so I we sat down with the parks department people m soio and talked about it and talked about said okay we’re going to take care of it she left nothing was done that bush down there is still down there okay so then in comes uh arakawa so we have a meeting down here and now the story is changed see now L lingo left years ago so all of a
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sudden the star is changed now so he says well I was on a council when that thing came up and the council decided see but here’s the point the point about that is that place it doesn’t belong to the council it belongs to the people and it’s right there on the beach front property where they want to cut all that core down over there and planted grass and put a couple trees over there then they wouldn’t have to build no Pavilion or nothing they’d have a shady little place over there where people can go
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down there and enjoy the beachfront property rather than looking at all that ugly core that’s growing down there see but now Lind lingo left office how many years ago and that thing is still there and she served bunch of years somewhere else that’s crazy yes that but that’s why that’s why I continue running that that one that was one of the things reasons why I decided I’m going to run because our Highway the bypass the road was supposed be coming up through here what happened to that project they’re
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talking about the K underpass for a school that isn’t even there yet okay now they wow we got to put an underpass for that and let’s do this and do that hey what’s our Highway that thing have been in there for a long time and it’s not like it’s a hard project yeah they’re not exercising the county has the ability to exercise eminent domain do they do it no they got to be sure that A and B doesn’t get offended and then they’ll going and do it but if you stand over there that halaka highway
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traffic light right there yeah and point your back to the airport and look down to this way to P they got that flat land that runs across that that cane field over there that they can cut the the the the the core of engineers could probably go in there and in a year and a half with a whole Ro right through that thing there and then they have they alleviate the traffic and if they ran on an off-road um an off- ramp down to Balwin Park and one to the count nor school and then they come here they have that
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Balwin Avenue where we have the 3:00 backup every day yeah and then you you pass that you go up here to where the old Maui High School is there’s another road that comes down down to H keeper Park so if they run that road straight through the canefield where it’s all flat land they run that straight right across that cane field and come out just the other side of that whole keeper Park past that road and come down from the old Maui high school they have the roads in there already all they got to do is
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adjust it to make it fit the purpose and they’ll be done that sounds like a great idea what about it well I don’t know but see but we got all these smart people in there you know I didn’t go to college like them you know you know so but they got all these smart people in there that went to college and they did all this they got all these diplomas and all this stuff but what they got to show for it more bills than anything else the uh what you call the the the the building down there that they’re tearing down now
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that think the court cost alone I think ran about 8.6 million my God and then the the C the Board of Education they you know they got all this money that they have and all of a sudden the state jumps in and takes all that money away and go buy the super furry and where the super furry now see and then you know and but that can go on and on and on well let me ask you you you’ve been here you were born in Hana yes born in Hana in Hana and now you’ve been p and you run a business here right yes what kind of business I
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do Hawaiian food okay so you’ve been manufacturing I’m also a uh a financial analyst to I do that too life insurance and stuff so you’ve been doing stuff a long time in this community I’ve seen it through many administrations have seen solutions that have I don’t want to say been bypassed but let’s say simple ideas uh too many studies very expensive studies lots of things that come up with the same simple idea that could have been implemented years ago but they needed an expensive study to support
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that idea before they decided to put it in the budget oops change of administration oops doesn’t happen what about that simple idea now it’s complicated things get changed the community plan gets changed and then the community changes forgets about the simple idea everything’s complicated expensive yeah sounds like you just want to sort of bring it down to some basic keep it simple keep it simple they call the ks that kiss keep it simple stupid you know the thing is if they you say if
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they take that road or they run that road let’s say from from that U halaka Highway from the airport straight across there and tie that road in straight down here into P all you got is knock off that Hana Highway on that side tear it up okay and then down to k then have the side road where the stable road is leave that the road connected to that road that the other road that come out through here see like the like over in L for example okay because P has the potential for good growth see now if they put that Highway
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up on the top part of there and run that thing directly down through here over to whole keepo okay now the bottom area down there they could develop into that business area down there see the I I discussed this with some some other people and I said about the uh about the P your business area our business district P now we had a drugstore we had a pharmacy over there but it’s hard for these people to stay in business but there’s not enough place to park okay now let’s say you want to get yourself a
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little bottle of aspirin okay so you come down the street now you want to get it all you need is a little bottle of aspirin so what are you going to do you going Park a mile down the road to go out to get a bottle of B walk all the way down there to go take it back but then you get up there this but you get there this things going on you get he your headache is lot more out right so you get the bottle of asasp you walk all the way back down you want to throw it away by the time you get back down there
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because you got to walk that distance to get it see so now you get on your car you go home but but nobody wants to stop so what happens the pharmacy goes out of business we should have a pharmacy in our community why you got to go all to kahal or up country to go find yourself bottle of aspirin now I’ve heard things planned uh there’s an attorney that owns a piece of property up Baldwin and then there’s another piece and then the guy from man owns another piece and the parking lot next to uh the post office
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has been put in you know at his courtesy and where could that growth happen behind there going toward the Haka highway is that what you thinking well you see you know where where the airport with that intersection is halaka Highway and H Highway yeah okay if you turn on the face your back to the airport and point your nose straight down here to P that intersection right there they cut the road right through that cane field and if you’ll notice it it’s all flat land see it’s all flat land now they can
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rip that whole H the rest of the old Hana Highway just rip it up they won’t need that road anymore down to where the stable road is okay then from the stable Road over what they’ll do what they can do is run a road down from that Highway down to Kor run another going down to Balwin Park and then they have Balwin Avenue that come down in the middle of P town and then you go beyond that the old M High School had that road that come down through there have these kind of things been you know these are the kind
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of things you don’t see the visual so it may be hard to realize but you’ve been in P many years now since 1972 I bought my house over here wow 1972 so I would think you’d be wise counsel to these people and give them real practical ideas CU you’ve seen the flow for a long time well let me give you an idea see this traffic light they got down here at the intersection of bow Avenue and Hana Highway okay when they put that traffic light in you see we had a discussion I went down to the council chambers and we
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had discussion about that and uh and they went to put that traffic light in and we didn’t have any uh you know input they didn’t ask whether we decided where we wanted to have it or not after they put it in then they had the hearing see so when we went down and I told him I said you know what you we should take that light out for about a month and let’s see what happens you know how traffic flow is but what happened is traffic started backing up after they put that light in okay now what I found
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out was that the reason why they put that light in in the first place was because of the mill traffic that was coming down after work see but what happened was by the time they got the light in that this is how fast they move by the time they got the light in there Theo the mill closed the Clos but they wouldn’t put it they put it in okay so now after they put that light in we had all kind of trouble with the traffic and we never had those problems before so now they want to do some developments around here
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the first thing that comes up is the traffic over there is terrible you can go back and take a look back in the when a was in office the first time because he was standing down he was that’s when the light came in but anyway boy that’s many administrations ago right four years four years four years for years we’re talking two decades we got this problem right so anyway they put that light in and that’s when the traffic started see and the thing about it is that there was no reason to put the lighting we did not
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have a traffic problem at that particular time there would have been a good time to do a study so I asked him I said are we down and then I testified at the council chambers and I said you know I think what you should do is just turn the light off for about a month maybe two months and let’s see how the traffic situation goes but what I found out is this see they already spent the money now the thing is if they they do turn the light off for about two or three months and then they go back and decide hey we
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don’t need that light over there somebody’s going to look bad and then it becomes a party thing you see he be a party we don’t want our party to look bad we’re not going over there take that thing out and what just leave it alone and just let it go and so they did it stayed there now here’s what happens when you do that later on you got to buy you got to buy the whole new fixture you got to buy new traffic light you got to buy all that stuff and is it free no it’s not free at all I mean you
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got to you got you got to pay for it I mean all that stuff like that you know everything cost money but who what what they it’s not their money it’s our money and so we end up paying and paying and paying and where does it stop where does it stop like the Montana building that they’re tearing apart down there how long ago was that they put that up that we not doing our Administration so I’m going to change Pace cuz I can hear that when it comes to this District you your residency
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requirement will serve the people of this area strongly do you feel that you can do this kind of a job for people in other areas obviously you feel you have experience now with this kind of thing if someone came to you from kahalui or kii with an issue because remember you represent them too they you feel up to that kind of a of course you say like they said no man is on island I mean look at the mess we we in now huh was it hard huh was it hard you got the same people in there doing the same thing and
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everybody votes them back in again and we’re in the same mess so I mean how how much worse can it get it can everybody’s broke everybody’s broke and they’re getting broke everybody becoming a broker every you look around people getting broker and broker and broker you know so the point is is that you know how can we make it better for the people but see that I don’t think that thing is in their mind let’s make it better for me first I’m going to run for office again so I can get myself a good salary
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that I can keep the payment of my car whatever the case may be but you know maybe it’s not that but the point is this is that what are the people getting out of this you put the same people back in there what do you expect to get different results I understand you know I mean you drive the same car you been missing all this time you change the spark plugs he don’t change the gas you don’t change anything what do you think the gas the car is going to run better no you going to keep on missing let’s say someone
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comes up to you and says look I am getting to the point of homeless and this uh shelter system I’m I’m trying to bring up issues to say here we are out of yours and you must know yeah you you can mention a word and people think oh here comes someone’s going to come and snap their fingers and Sol these problems didn’t happen overnight and some of them don’t get solved overnight it’s good we can change a traffic light I’m real glad to hear that you have Notions on the highway that’s
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exciting but like homelessness is just rising up parks are closing being people aren’t finding places to even sleep at night because there were rules at shelters and things are crowded any ideas on what we can do talk about the dollarars okay yeah they this you say the saying goes that history dictate the future future it’s the foundation for the future everything that you do now like we like the telephone for example used to be you got to talk off it on the wall you got to pull the phone off the wall
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with the wire on it nowadays you walk around with the little thing you can call anywhere in the world in fact we’re recording on one of them right yeah look at that now you can make TV pictures with them and all of that you know but the thing is things have changed you know a lot of things have changed you know and the thing is is that that they know the people here they seem to be getting the same thing over and over again nothing nothing nothing’s changed just that uh what you call uh that they
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need to understand like what I see since I’ve been here you know and it’s not that uh that I’m going to go in there and make things change right away now the homelessness problem okay I remember back when uh when a was in office for example they had okay the uh Linda Ling set up contracts for people to go out and go clean the uh parts and things like that and to me contracted jobs are a lot more um efficient for the county and the reason I say that is because I used to be a steward for the uh for the
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union and I and I I paid attention to these things now when you when the union ratifies a contract for five years the compan is in a better position because they can plan their uh projection for 5e period so for that 5e period they put that money on the side they have the wages covered they have the medical covered all these benefits are all covered already all that money is already put away for 5 years it’s like when they hire contract somebody to go clean the parks they give them a fiveyear contract they say okay here’s
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your bid you want the bid there you go here’s your money you go do it now it’s up to that contractor to go out and find his own people pay his own gas for his lawnmower buy his own lawnmowers all of that is up to the contractor that’s the big that you put in here’s the money and that’s much more efficient for the county and they can know how much money they’re spending exactly and they don’t have that ongoing thing they can have it for a fixed period And the reason I
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bring that up is entrepreneurship entrepreneurship that should be promoted we have a lot of people that would like to go into business for themselves but they’re not given that opportunity see contract from the state the state have Parts like all that the aluminum C they get you know who’s who who they got people taking the baskets out there and putting them in the park why doesn’t the state have somebody that goes out and takes those things and recycles that and put that money into a fund too why does
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have to be private Enterprise that has to go out there and go do that see and with the contractor doing the Parks have the contractor pick up all those things and whichever way they want to work it you know it’s fine but here’s the idea entrepreneurship entrepreneurship is the foundation of business you know the thing is the for the economy the more people that you got working for themselves you know the the more people they can have working so what does that do it creates a a lot more income for a
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lot of people it creates more opportunity and then at the same time it helps to alleviate the homelessness Pro problem because we got more people working let’s say down here P we used to have a traffic problem okay and I can tell when there’s not a traffic problem not many people are working that’s why we don’t have a traffic problem see like now we have this uh uh what do you call that the uh we have the the city bus which I think is a real blessing that city bus is a blessing for us it really done a lot and
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uh it’s helped a lot of people that we up in a rural areas be able to come out and see what you know civilized people do out here you know not just joking okay but anyway I’m just but anyway I understand really is he yeah but you see but that is really helped but what I’ve noticed is that when we get a lot of traffic that means a lot of people went to work today if we don’t have any traffic that means most people a lot of people weren’t working so people are not working on a regular basis so what’s
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happening is say a few years back people were making a lot of money then all of a sudden that whole thing fell through now they’re not making as money as much money as as they used to or that they had hoped for and what what they had started off what when they had gone and purchase their home at that particular time they were in a different income bracket all of a sudden their their income changed so so it became a problem but there’s nobody over to take a look at these things that happening you know
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they come up with excuses and because instead of coming up with Solutions you see excuses are easy to come by and can all like like Mr ARA was saiding while the council decided Well all of a sudden they want to do decisions for all of us like the dlnr and everybody else is doing decisions for us how much op we pick and all that kind of stuff like that not to get the subject but the thing is all these things become problems that that is not even supposed to be discussed look at the situation that the people are in
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today who’s paying their wages who’s paying the taxes who’s paying the bills the people they’re paying all that so when you do a job like that that uh Montana project down there and that thing falls through and you spend millions of dollars in court you spend millions of dollars paying these people back their money and then you spend another million to will tear it down and you get get nothing out of it and you could have put up houses for the homeless you could have put a highway in
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a lot of stuff they could have use that for a for a The Parks of recreation for our kids to go down there during summer for summer fun or something like that extend the building make use of it but no is that mean that they have the empty head what did they go to college for no creativity no vision nothing they take a simple little building like that and like I said if they they could have gotten together with the uh the movie industry that they’re starting to come across now so maybe you would like to
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lease that and use that for making movies oh terrific but I don’t know whether they ask or not but of course that proberbly belongs to a and I think it does I don’t know but they’re tearing that building down now okay so now what are they going to do with the lumber that’s another question put it up a bid because the guy that they they was thinking taking that thing apart had right on the front page this is all good word okay so it’s good wood what good is it if it not used so who’s going to use it okay
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you see so there’s all these things that are going on they talk about like our school let me give you a good example they come to p p has been short changed in so many area I can go on and on but this I have to say talk about this one our cafeteria up here at the P school this includ the legislature and all these people see so they come over here they put in a cafeteria up there without a kitchen okay now why put in a cafeteria without a kitchen that doesn’t make you know what their excuse was oh we wanted to
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save money okay now here’s here’s the idea now if you’re going to save money you must have a project over here that you want to use that money for and if you save the money how much money did you save okay and if you didn’t save money where did you put it how do you build a cafeteria without a kitchen I don’t get that well no it’s tough it must be tough because you get College people out there figuring this thing out they got Engineers they got all these people that are sitting there smoking cigarettes
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drinking coffee and then they come up with a project like that and say well we wanted to save money on that why save money on that because see here the other side of the story one day put on a l somehow they got the information that that school was up for grabs so here and I don’t blame them they want to get a house for them place for there Hawaiian and I I support the Hawaiian language and all that but they come up there and they say why we want to take over for school for but they got the Mari High School up
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at the road what’s wrong with that one but the idea what I’m saying is this first of all they Short Change us on the cafeteria and then somebody put the word out then you guys can go take that school they must have gotten some kind of a uh what you call um somebody must done something that gave him the idea that the P school was available for them to take and use for the pun otherwise why why did they ask see so then they put the cafeteria in no kitchen because here’s the other side now if they put a kitchen in there
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they can have events at the school they can serve lunches at the school and have people pay for lunches they can raise money to the cafeteria up there do fundraisers they can do all these things up there but what do we get nothing nothing see and what was their excuse to save money okay what did they do with the money did they say or did they save any money how much money did they save let’s talk about that see before we talk about what you did with the money how much money did you save you know and why did you want to
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save money from our cafeteria why did you save some money from from cutting back on somebody’s pay or something but why take it out of our cafeteria I got you because our kids up here every year if you listen to Nam they always in the top three and almost every time they take the overall in their category so what do we do now what can we do now fix that anything well see everybody knows you know the thing is they keep on doing it to fire you go out to fire they don’t even love more grass up there just
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somebody somebody got wind of it do and cut the grass finally up above uh dor school yeah the thing up so high they when they cut it and they just Let It Drop like that and you go up there it looks like heck you know like someone when to cut grass to feed the cattle or something because the grass was so tall right but they’re not taking care of that see and that’s a County Road so that comes under the County Council but see one time I mentioned something to one of the councilman and why we short
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staff more people we don’t have any money I mean you can go after excuses after excuses after excuses that’s easy is that what we put people in there for to listen to excuses sounds like you would like to be in that seat to be more responsive well yeah I mean we know what the issues are we keep hearing about the issues but then when you watch them on the on our Council meetings you don’t hardly hear most of these things come up well they got them on TV I’ve heard a couple of these guys say
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to me you know when they went in they were all fired up like you they said need for changes I’m going to go in there and make changes but when they get they got those it’s like being under the burden of what’s been going before you talked about it one Administration comes in or Council that keep changing things you don’t so there’s no continuity do you feel you could actually make a difference sitting in well the D here here’s the thing first of all you got to cover an idea okay now here here I’ve
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thought about this over and over and over again I know what the in hon to keep having the pipe breaking blowing up the you know all this stuff that infrastructure and things okay now it’s funny that like I said that when the administration is here they’re going this way next Administration comes in they’re going that way okay what if they had a picture with a primary project that they’re working on and then each Administration comes in like the infrastructure for example schedule the the all the inspection for
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all the infrastructure that we have on the island isn’t that what a community plan is for is that what we’re supposed to be doing every 10 year revising a plan and moving it forward so where does it go crazy you mean you’ve watched this happen a long time well the thing is you know you don’t you don’t get you don’t see uh let’s say like on the front page the M news they put all the bad news up there right what have a section right there down left side of the page over
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there say this is what’s going on with this particular project over here the the the our County Council is working on this thing here now they deci started this back and when and when and when and when and uh they they’re starting to uh continue that now they’re working on infrastructure in let’s say the wahi area they’re going to be doing that for the rest of the month and they’re doing the inspection they’re checking all these areas here and then in a month they’ll be going over into the uh into
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the L of town area they’ll be going out and investigating the infrastructure in that area see because we had a meeting with the uh the realy association of Maui over at the king go Club see and then then they asked me about that you know you know um about uh the about putting up more homes they that that’s their business selling homes I was at that real you were there I was at a different table we didn’t get you oh okay okay now the one of the questions that they asked was you know who want to
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put in 30,000 more homes what do you think about that I said well can the infrastructure accommodated the thing is you know it’s enough for me to say go ahead and do it say as a council person I can’t I’ll go ahead and do it you got to investigate it first okay how does it look as far as the infrastructure can the infrastructure accommodate that okay so now like I say is there a plan now if you get a picture like this they put a picture there and say okay we’re working on this area here this is what the
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infrastructure looks like in this area now if wanted to put homes up we have the infrastructure available in this area but they’re talking about doing it in this area here you know years ago I’m bringing it up only because they call GIS G geographic information systems projecting use of of things into the future doing all the infrastructure work you talk about and projecting it they have these things all these things that we’re talking about exist I keep wondering is it special interests that are making
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things move forward in spite of having plans in at uh projections in place that are showing these problems is it also a matter of our group our people here knowing what’s going on and planning in that it doesn’t seem like one hand and the other hand are working together for so many years it’s completely out of whack well see like I was just say you know I mean are they moving in the same direction they they had that that picture and they say well you know they they done the inspection on this area
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here the next area we’re going to do is this area over here the next Administration comes in and it says okay we need to initiate you know uh the inspection on this area now they’re almost completed with this area so we can get some people to go start working on this side here okay you know so put a bill in there and so let’s start uh doing the inspections or the you know doing the the uh work on finding out what the infrastructure is like and all these other the areas see but it seems
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to me like you know they don’t do eminent domain like I said eminent domain you know like I said they wanted to run that Highway in there you know just do am domain take that piece of road L of this is getting the road in you know and then tell that road up now you got The Replacements see you put that one in and you take that one out so you got that piece over there so if you take a look at it it’s about the same distance so who would this eminent domain be used On A and B mostly huh well you know but you know then that
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comes up as a question too because some of that land is leas land that belongs to the the B of Hawaiian homelands and then there’s the issue of raful Hawaiian government yeah and then there’s all kinds of stuff we’re in quite a well yes that’s true it is if they exercise eminent domain you know they have the power to goad and and take the piece of property if they have a place to replace it with then they can what they can give that see that old Hana Highway come around that way yeah dig that up and you
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have that it’s the same thing you dig that road up you put another road here and if you figure it out it’s almost the same distance going the same direction I see you see so now what you have here is you you know the people you know the they got that whole place on that side over there because I think if I’m not mistaken they have planned to do something over there uh just on the other side of C nor school because for the last 5 years they haven’t planted any sugar cane in there I’ve not because
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I watch that I take notice of all these things that are going on and they haven’t planted any sugar can over there for the Last 5 Years you know they haven’t because they haven’t harvested I watch when they harvest I used to tell my grandson I used to tell my grandson all the time every time they harvest the sugar cane one year has passed so that’s how you keep track of time one year has passed when they harvest the sugar can so you’re going to be one year older when they harvest the next qu cup of
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sugar everybody’s a year older you know so time goes by and keeps on going on you see that’s what I’m you know and so and then and but that area that that’s how I keep track of that so that area over there on the side of H highway just past the C school they haven’t done anything with that for the last five years so there’s something that they want to do with that but what so if they dig that road up over there and run that road straight to the cane field like I said from the airport
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Fe you back to the airport and point your nose to P you get that whole area right there and you know that area below that they could take and and uh what you call develop that area you know out of the the tsunami Zone develop that area there because paa has the potential for good development they can put in a business center like they have over in in Len they have Front Street and then they have the shopping centers in the different areas by the way have you driven that Lina bypass I have I never saw roads that look like
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that in my life I would now that I’ve driven it once I don’t know if I could drive it again well the thing is you got to go you got to go to college to get there that was supposed to be planned work ridiculous ridiculous I’m sorry I I tell you a little I tell you a little story about that and I brought this up a long time ago and I don’t know whether our God going to remember this but we had a meeting back in the 90s over at The Islander the Maui Islander Hotel and I I brought this up see you know along H
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Highway yeah when you come out of the tunnel you know got this barricade on left side of the road and it because see what my my occupation used to be I spent a lot of time on the highway I used to drive truck I used to drive tour buses and all so I spent a lot of time going back and forth along those highways over there so anyway they had the barricades over there you know and uh hang on you over a little bit just to discourage them anyway yeah but but anyway so I I he Alan and somebody else were there at that meeting
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so I asked him I said you know I said did you ever think about jacking the highway up in the air over there you know from the py coming out of the py over there because if you stand over there at the py and you look straight out you can put that you can put a highway you can jack it up in the air and put it straight across to that open area over there all the way and go straight into Lina up in the air the natural the natural reflex money they they do it in on Lulu it’s part of the state of Hawaii am I
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right or wrong okay I said well let me put another way the highway that we have now we have the barricades on the side of the highway right every year the the we the High Surf come in boom boom tears the thing up as a matter of fact you just finished doing that part right out of the py when you come out the py they just finished doing that whole thing over there you know okay so here comes the waves every year boom see two or three times a year they come in to repair that am I right or wrong yeah
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I see what every time they repair they do it for free you know I said see here’s the idea if you Jack the road up if there’s a fire the fire is underneath if there’s a tsunami the tsunami goes underneath water from the mountain goes underneath yeah and and if you do that the road maintenance cost is going to drop down way down why you build that whole thing out of concrete you won’t have to maintain the road as much not like you’re doing the barricade over there now I see does that make
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sense or not you know but of course you know what I didn’t go to college you know so I guess maybe these people did but but I to listen to somebody like me when they went to college never got the kind of education you talking about you know considering you Cor nothing you know but this is here’s the idea Ian it’s common sense right and I brought this up with u one on a flight coming back from Denver I had gone to Atlanta own business on the way back we had we had to catch the flight go up to Denver
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and from Denver fly back and u r Baker was on the flight I took a yellow page and I drew that thing for I said see if we coming out of the tunnel he got that straight from the tunnel there you straight across that you go right across past U right into town straight okay because what they wanted to do was build a highway would build it closer to the mountain okay yeah and the one fireman says yeah but that’s where the fire is and that’s where the flood is right so the thing is this if if there’s the
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flood there and there’s a fire over there what if you put it up in the air like this and the fire and the flood goes underneath what kind of reaction did you get from R what you do so anyway but I drew I drew a sketch of it you know I drew a sketch of it and give good but you see but this is the way it usually works they wait about five or 10 years they say I have an idea why don’t we build a highway and put it up in the air C I brought this up to that that moroka the guy that was the the head of the Department of
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Transportation yeah he they had a meeting up there at the el el theater in the morning early in the morning I up they were talking about that uh that airport uh thing that they were going to work on and stuff and some of the highways over here on island and that thing came up about the about the fire and all of that I said well I said well what if you Jack the road of you I keep bringing this up to all these people if you Jack the road up the fire will go underneath you know response was well not
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really I said but where’s it going and then change the subject you turn around the other side of the room started talking to somebody else you know but the idea is what do you mean not read I me the fire is underneath the road because he can’t be on top of the road that’s another issue maybe we don’t but in that people that are in jobs and administration and Council one of the council guys said I have to be very careful what I say to these people in these departments because that’s grounds
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for dismissal because I can’t order them on Council that’s an administrative we’re legislative how do you like that one well see here the way I look at it I mean you’re not telling them what to do and you putting it across like this may I make a suggestion so I’m just saying sometimes from people that are out there like you can make their voice heard and be louder than someone sitting in a Council seat because in Council it’s inappropriate you guys can’t talk together because
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Sunshine Law you can do this but you’re a citizen you can say excuse me I don’t like that and that’s not right and you may be the administration and uh I can’t talk to you from that seat but I’m talking to you from this seat sounds like you’ve got a lot of really good ideas yes well what what they do from what I understand is they introduce the idea or they introduce a bill they say and so they bring it out and then they discuss it and you know they they discuss or bring it out on in
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the meeting that they have and they say okay now we’re going to have the hearing so they have the cable hearing and all these people come in testify you see then they testify and all of that but the the thing is you see if it’s never talked about it doesn’t get hurt you know it doesn’t get here nothing gets done so what do you expect but the thing about what I’m saying is is that so much has that’s gone wrong that the people paying through the noses now and they’re still paying and paying the Montana
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building that that Montana thing over there uh water meat water meat you know I just I have a hard time understanding why water meters cost so much money why don’t you just order from serious catalog or something you know but the thing is this I can’t understand why people got to pay so much money for just something that records how much water you’re using I mean there must be a simpler way of doing it you know why you got to pay so much money for the beer alone $70,000 I couldn’t believe it I’m
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probably wrong that thing you know probably skyh high now but the the thing is why does it cost so much to have a water meter if you know and then when the guy comes by he’s got this computer thing beep beep beep beep huh you know what does it cost so much and like uh like they kept talking about the cameras on the traffic light and stuff like that why don’t they call the traffic light company say Hey you want an idea what why don’t you put cameras in the traffic light huh no but the thing is no we want
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to buy the cameras Oh buy them who’s going to pay for okay because nobody’s giving away cameras you know but the idea this is the expense seems nothing to these people when they come up with ideas how many traffic lights do you have throughout the state of Hawaii huh and who’s going to pay for all those traffic lights we are you like all these things that that that that building that they throw down a federal building they throw that down now we’re going to investigate the mayor who’s
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going to be with the investigation you’re not free let me ask you a question because it seems like I’ve given you a chance to open your mouth now when you watch the TV you see here’s a candidate you see him for three minutes we have these forums you ask three questions and they come and say oh you live in Hana what’s it like living in that was one of your questions you want to talk about this what do you want to talk about that now that you have a chance and a camera that you want to be
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sure you tell the voters what is it really important that you want to share well so I’ll say you you know you know I was born and raid out in Hana and you know we just like we just want to have the you know just the a regular lifestyle you’ll be able to go fishing uh be a do all this kind of stuff when I was growing up we didn’t have much money we didn’t need it and you know that this is the Land of Plenty we have plenty but yet it seems like money is always a biggest issue we can have everything we
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want foremost for free you can grow any kind of fruits you want in your yard you can grow gardens you know you can do all these kind of things and then they ship Chicken in from the you know can get it very inexpensive but there’s a lot of ways that you can live but yet money seems to be a big issue a lot of people aren’t working we got homeless people and all of that see and but but you know because to me you know it life has just gotten so complicated when it doesn’t have to be all it has to be just kept
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simple now the people left us alone to live our life the way we’ve been living it you know we go get a little bit of fish come home and stuff like that and put the guys down there to go catch the people that are abusing but no they get down there they just arrest anybody see they don’t sit down there and watch and like they do want steak out and stuff like that you know they got one guy out one guy out there he go down there he throws his net in the water he catches three fish see your net
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hey the net on you know but the thing is what did he get three ly fish now you going to arrest up because he’s net now you going to throw the fish back so now he goes home no fish now he’s now he’s short about 100 bucks for fine and everything like that you know when life is supposed to be simple andbody say well that’s my job you know okay fine but the thing about it is this is all we want is a simple life I always said that we’ve lived a simple life when the water is clear we
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go down get our get our fish we come home we sit down with the family we share what we’ got everybody work together to clean op and whatever and then there’s hunting we got all these things we got fruits growing on the trees and stuff and it’s just a simple life but yet people make it so complicated that now people don’t have jobs they can’t they can’t people the car they and we need apartment buildings because young people get out of high school what do they do they stay
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home Loaf in own house send them up to go R an apartment with you and your three friends go R an apartment go find work go and finding work is an issue you know it’s all yeah well finding work finding work is an issue it is yes but what happens is most people don’t go find work see and that’s what I’ve noticed but the thing is if you want to work bad enough you’ll find something to do I can tell you most of the jobs the pay isn’t high enough you can work two and three jobs and still can’t afford
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the rent well there know that’s another thing too but I’ll tell you something if you don’t go to work at all you’re not going to make any money at all oh that’s true yeah but the thing is but you can spend all your time working and have nothing at the end of the day I know people that are homeless that can’t afford a place to live and they’re working full-time well there this is the way I I’ve always looked at things you know I’ll work at this until I find something better that’s I’ve done it you
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know I’ll work at this to find something better but the point the point is if you don’t do anything what are you going to get absolutely you know because some people you know they got a lot of people I went up to the county building up there at the the employment office they have they have they have jobs they book The Count there openings people want to go go for the county the county has too many restrictions and requirements you have to have this degree and that degree in this technician you mean to go put
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sprinkles in I’m telling you what the job no the labor what I what what I’ve seen I mean it’s not that you got to have a college education all of that they got a book of an employment office you a book up they got the labor you want to go paint the bridges and all kind of stuff like that you know I guess and the thing is if if somebody went and applied for it that thing wouldn’t be in there right well that’s where they put them in there so people can find them I think right yeah so they can go and
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apply for it and go work right but some people don’t want to work money too small for me I don’t like be job the money too small what you expect me do but you know what theyare see but here idea the idea is this you know to me is to be more productive at Le you have a little picture coming in and then in the meantime you can work another job I used to work two and three jobs and the reason I did that was because I had dreams I wanted things I wanted to get things I wanted to do things I wanted to
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BU for my family the best that I could and so I went on I drove you know I drove tax construction during the day I drove truck I drove bus what I was driving truck I was driving bus and the thing is I was doing all these different things so I be home about 1:00 2:00 in the morning and go back to work at 7:00 in the morning and then do the thing that I did because I wanted to get things see but the idea is this is you know I mean any excuse like I said the council comes up with excuses that’s
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fine but that’s not what we’re looking for we’re looking for Solutions how you going to solve the problems you know what happened with that Montana job why is that thing still how many many years upon when a left that thing that that thing was there and now they going tear it all down and go do what with the lumber they didn’t say anything about that what did they do with the money that they saved at the that the P elementary or the P elementary school of cafeteria they saved money okay what did
57:12
they do how much did they save see what about all that how much money the people are paying and paying and paying but we’re not getting answers that where they heck all that money went I got you know and then that that’s what I I think that uh you see are not being answered and you got the Sunshine Law and all that kind of stuff but that doesn’t answer the questions you know they come with excuses thank you for taking the time to be here with me I know we can talk about all kinds of issues but
57:39
what’s true is we’ve been talking for an hour I bet the one thing that people can see when sitting here is that Henry kahula is ready to talk and hear them and wants to make a difference oh yes I appreciate you running I know know that takes a lot of guts to get out there a lot of people wonder why you’re running you can’t change things the only way you change things is to do and I appreciate you very much well like I said you know I told one of the other accounts of people I said the reason I run is
58:10
because I have a chance to express myself but what I’m hoping is is that whoever wins the election if they take notes on all these things and put it together and do something with it don’t just say well you know that idea is no good I I got you you know I hope all you guys are listening you know these interviews that we do are not traditional you know you have all these forums a lot of few questions and a few minutes we hope that this has given you a chance to get to know Henry Kahula Jr
58:41
and if you’re in mool laai and koui and L and Ki we vote for all nine Council races so if you like Henry you can vote for him even if you’re in laay even if you’re in mikai and that’s really a big thing but you got to register oh yeah that’s true and if you haven’t registered go out there and start and you can and you can do it on secret ballot so I mean uh what they call it absentee ballot I’m sorry yeah you don’t have to go around to the uh the polling place where everybody can
59:15
see you voting you know if you like to vote but you don’t want to you know be exposed to the elements oh fine send in for an absentee ballot they’ll send you the ballot and you just vote it send it back in they send it to you ahead of time and you know so if you that’s the way you want to be that’s fine because this is your life you know whatever works for you but we’d like to have everybody participate in our government process see because there are some people that don’t participate at all and
59:43
yet they do the same thing everybody else does complain about the hole in the road you know and that kind of stuff like that you know and the trash here the trash there everybody complains about the same thing but if you don’t vote you have no reason to complain so well thank you for for spending the time here and thank you for uh all that you contribute whether you’re on Council or not pleasure meeting you well it’s a pleasure meeting you and I thank you very much for taking the time my
01:00:09
pleasure this is for you and me and it’s for them mostly yeah because if you don’t know who you’re voting for what are you doing voting you got to know who you’re voting for so but then in order to vote you got to register don’t foret thank you for joining us all right aloha aloha
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