Jason Schwartz with Andrew Herold HHO Oxy-Hydrogen — Natural Healing assistance from COVID-19… and
Summary & Transcript
In this detailed and wide-ranging conversation, Jason Schwartz interviews Andrew Herold, a retired master electrician from West Virginia who has spent over a decade developing and selling hydrogen generators, specifically HHO (oxyhydrogen) machines. Initially involved in improving fuel efficiency in older vehicles using these devices, Andrew shifted his focus to the health benefits of hydrogen gas, especially since the COVID-19 pandemic. The hydrogen generators split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases, producing a unique form of hydrogen called Brown’s gas or HHO, which has profound antioxidant and therapeutic properties.
Andrew explains how hydrogen can selectively target harmful free radicals, reduce inflammation, relieve pain, improve metabolism, and even assist with serious diseases such as Parkinson’s, cancer, Alzheimer’s, and COVID-19. Despite substantial scientific research, especially from Japan and China, hydrogen therapy remains largely unknown or ignored in the U.S., partly due to regulatory and financial barriers in the medical and pharmaceutical industries.
The interview also covers anecdotal and clinical evidence, including examples of people with chronic pain, autoimmune diseases, cancer, and viral infections experiencing significant improvement after using hydrogen therapy. Andrew emphasizes preventive medicine and shares insights about natural supplements like broccoli sprouts and cardamom that synergize with hydrogen’s effects.
Andrew also discusses the challenges of manufacturing and distributing these machines affordably in the U.S., the resistance of mainstream medicine to alternative therapies, and the importance of educating consumers so they can make informed choices. Throughout the discussion, the focus remains on the remarkable, scientifically supported yet underappreciated health benefits of hydrogen, its safety, and its potential to dramatically improve quality of life and longevity.
Highlights
- [01:30] Andrew’s background: Retired master electrician making hydrogen generators initially for automobile fuel efficiency.
- [07:40] Real-world results: 50% better mileage on older vehicles and huge fuel savings for big trucks.
- [15:00] Health breakthrough: Hydrogen gas reduces pain and inflammation, helping people with chronic conditions like Parkinson’s.
- [21:40] Global research: Japan and China use hydrogen therapy extensively for COVID-19 and radiation protection.
- [26:50] Patient stories: Hydrogen therapy helping MS patients regain function and reduce symptoms.
- [33:00] Personal testimony: Andrew’s own knee pain improving with continuous hydrogen use.
- [54:00] Natural synergy: Use of broccoli sprouts and cardamom with hydrogen to combat cancer and boost immunity.
Key Insights
- [01:00] ⚙️ Hydrogen Generators and HHO Gas Technology: Andrew pioneered hydrogen generators for automotive use, creating HHO gas (Brown’s gas) by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen. This gas is not just hydrogen but a blend that has unique properties, improving combustion efficiency and reducing fuel consumption significantly, especially in older vehicles that don’t rely heavily on computerized engine management systems. This practical application laid the groundwork for exploring health benefits.
- [15:00] Hydrogen as a Selective Antioxidant and Anti-inflammatory Agent: Unlike many antioxidants, molecular hydrogen selectively targets harmful free radicals without disturbing beneficial reactive oxygen species. This selectivity allows it to reduce inflammation and oxidative stress, which are at the root of many chronic diseases, including pain syndromes, neurodegenerative diseases, and autoimmune disorders. Andrew’s friend with Parkinson’s experienced reduced tremors and better sleep after hydrogen therapy, illustrating its therapeutic potential.
- [21:00] Extensive Scientific Validation, Yet Poor Awareness: Countries like Japan have integrated hydrogen therapy into mainstream medicine, with clinics offering hydrogen-rich water and inhalation therapy. The Japanese Ministry of Health recognizes certain concentrations of hydrogen water as medical doses. Similarly, China has used hydrogen gas to treat COVID-19 patients, reducing lung inflammation and aiding recovery. Despite over 10,000 published studies, the U.S. medical system remains largely unaware or skeptical, influenced by regulatory, financial, and pharmaceutical interests.
- [26:00] ⚕️ Practical Patient Outcomes and Regulatory Challenges:Doctors using hydrogen therapy privately report positive patient outcomes but cannot widely promote it due to malpractice insurance and licensing constraints. This regulatory barrier stifles dissemination of a potentially revolutionary preventive and therapeutic modality. Andrew advocates for patient education and informed consent, encouraging individuals to explore the research and decide autonomously.
- [33:00] Personal Health Benefits and Longevity Effects: Andrew himself relies on hydrogen therapy for chronic knee pain from bone-on-bone arthritis, noting gradual improvement and pain relief. Hydrogen is also reported to extend telomeres, the protective caps on chromosomes, which may slow aging and promote longevity. The safety profile is excellent, with no known side effects even after prolonged use.
- [40:00] Synergistic Natural Therapies: Andrew combines hydrogen therapy with natural supplements like broccoli sprouts (rich in sulforaphane), cardamom, garlic, ginger, and zinc to enhance immune function and combat diseases like cancer. For example, broccoli sprouts can help shrink tumors, and when combined with hydrogen, their effectiveness is amplified. Dietary habits remain critical, as poor nutrition (“death by fork”) undermines health despite therapies.
- [48:00] Environmental and Toxicity Insights: Andrew highlights the impact of environmental toxins like pesticides, mercury, and lead on chronic diseases such as Parkinson’s. He uses ozonated water to detoxify his body from these substances, underscoring the importance of holistic approaches to health that include detoxification alongside hydrogen therapy. This reinforces the interconnectedness of environment, nutrition, and molecular therapies in disease prevention and management.
This interview offers a compelling case for hydrogen therapy’s multifaceted benefits, bridging automotive innovation with cutting-edge health science. It calls for greater public awareness, scientific openness, and affordable access to these technologies to help address chronic illness, aging, and emerging health crises like COVID-19.
Transcript
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[Music] aloha welcome everyone to the neutral zone i’m your host jason schwartz you can find all our shows at mauineutralzone.com and we’re on kaku 88.5 fm the voice of maui you’ll find us up on the web on youtube and uh today i have a very special guest you know the in these times where um we can’t be together face to face and close i haven’t been able to use the studio and you’ve seen me with guests on zoom numbers of times well this guest is in west virginia and uh i’ve now known you a few years this is
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andrew harold andrew do you prefer andrew or andy where do you feel more comfortable they’re both equal to me okay um if i were to say what do you do how would i describe you well i’m retired and i do a lot of work now i make and sell hydrogen generators for health so my biggest customers now since cobit peru i’ve got some doctors in peru who use them against for covet and i got some doctors in bolivia and i got a doctor in trinidad who’s got 10 machines he put a clinic in just for those
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patients with covet and then word of mouth i sell a few every month not a lot but a few so let me let our audience understand uh i met andrew through a gentleman here oh gosh it’s got to be four five six years ago maybe and um there was a when i was living in in cool of maui there was a machine sitting in the corner of our uh kitchen someone had bought a uh he was a jeweler and he bought this water um thing that would create a flame to polish up jewelry and after he got it a little while it didn’t work and was
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sitting there because the gentleman i was living with reverend jim kimmel used to be involved with things and wanted to look at the machine see if he could fix it and suddenly someone else that was a friend came over and he took the machine and he lived up in cool and he was a automobile mechanic and technician and after working with it and understanding what it was and seeing all these amazing properties he looked into its health benefits and suddenly it opened up a gigantic world but andrew you were making um
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a core piece of um of the machines and you actually that’s how i guess i met you because this guy john started working with uh a generator that would be inside a hydrogen generator machine and uh the maker of it was you and i guess you were working with automobiles and bringing their mileage on trucks down dramatically through this using this device what that developed and i guess it generated hh oh and our audience may say well that’s is that h2o water same components h h o is electrified water isn’t it when we were
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kids and we took a nail and we put we put copper wire around it and it generated electricity such a funny thing now has been sort of moved into the 21st century how this machine that we’re talking about how that’s the same kind of machine that was sitting in in the house over there being configured differently wasn’t it this machine sitting behind me i don’t know if you can see see this machine straight next to me i guess to my right that looks like the machine that box has been used for many different things but
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you have a hydrogen generator and inside there you put all the components or come up with a machine that generates hho gas right is that what it is yeah it takes water and you just split it now and the reason that splits is because hydrogen is missing a electron in its outer shell so it needs one and so oxygen has two free electrons so you have two hydrogen grab oxygen become water because hydrogen cannot be floating around missing a electron right and that’s why hydrogen which is so abundant in our whole universe right it
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is the smallest particle and it combines with whoa virtually almost anything but a minus one electron means that it is in the body looking for things that uh have an electron that they can spare and oxygen is obviously a a partner well there’s more water on earth than anything else right and in our universe there’s more hydrogen than anything else and uh it’s a really interesting it’s interesting how we all discovered this how did you discover it i mean it to me it’s so intriguing
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that the world already knew about this but here in the united states they were kind of dragging their feet on quote i want to say announcing it or using this kind of technology well in 2009 i saw an ad where somebody in oregon was selling a machine that split the water and he was claiming everybody was getting 50 better miles per gallon so i bought a machine and i put it on my 2003 dodge pickup and i did get 50 percent better miles per gallon was his machine was designed incorrectly and after two weeks it melted it just
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couldn’t take the temperature so i called him back to buy another one his phone’s disconnected the guy’s totally gone he ran away and so i i started making my own but they weren’t you know there’s not much you can use except plexiglas and plexiglas melts at 180 degrees pvc also so i finally built my own design went to my neighbor who builds them and build stuff in china and i had one made in china i mean the dye cost me 25 000. it cost me about 125 000 to make 5 500 of them but i had the best one in america in
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2010 but within two years somebody had a better design than mine and i sold most of them about 5 000 of them and i had i had if anybody had a 1995 or older vehicle they all got 50 percent better miles per gallon wow if they were newer they had to go and adjust the computer and there were things for that and they wouldn’t have as much success because i like a five nine cummings uh pickup would go from 19 miles a gallon to 29 and on a pickup that’s big stuff getting 10 more miles to gallon
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sure wow and on trucks i can imagine those would be uh gigantic savings when they’re using gallons per mile those guys have those huge trucks if they’re getting uh like a series 60 detroit 14 liter was he was getting uh 4.2 miles to gallon i put hydrogen on his truck he was in nebraska and he went up to 6.4 and he saved 25 to 35 000 a year on fuel now during the same time daryl mason had a better machine out and so i became one of his dealers to stop doing mine and start building his and uh
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he’s he’s closed on i’m the only one who builds his machines anymore and uh john over there in hawaii he makes a machine he sells for 2500 that makes plasma and i make the guts for it he can make him also but i make them better than he does because i’ve made hundreds and hundreds of them so i’m very good at and there’s a few secrets that the dealers know if you don’t pay large money to be a dealer you don’t find the secrets and i know those secrets so so now what i think is so intriguing
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when i speak to you quite humble here you sold 5 000 of those things for automobiles um many of us have only heard about these things but we never really got that close uh probably you know we those kind of things really could be used now right but it’s been maybe not as dramatic of a scene i had a guy two weeks ago called me up and i used to be in the farm show magazine i stopped the advertising he saw an old farm show magazine and i sold him some about six years ago on for his uh five nine comings and he’s got like a 91
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93 95 and he was wanting to buy another one because he says he gets six extra miles a gallon pulling a gooseneck trailer loaded through through full of uh cars and stuff wow so he just loves it he’s been using them for six years and also it cleans up your engine and you you double your life of your engine it doesn’t wear out as fast so now you and i would say so what the output from that device is hho or hydrogen hhl it’s when you split water you get 33 oxygen 66 hydrogen they call it hho because
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it’s it’s hydrogen gas hydrogen gas oxygen gas by by volume or by ratio so they call it hho they call brown’s gas they call it oxyhydrogen i’ve heard all kinds of different things there’s like seven eight names for it whoever has a product they kind of coined their own name for it well it’s interesting to me that you know you found it in the farm magazine but regular people don’t really know about this kind of device so um i imagine do you have any more of them yeah i have about
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i have about uh 30 40 of them for four liter and smaller engines so someone may contact you after the show and say hey i’m interested in that that’s a good thing um so here we are you were making these things and you were uh i guess you are you were an engineer electrical engineer i understand no i’m a master electrician master electrician okay so i spent a lot of hours on experiments and talking engineers and and i learned a lot in the last 15 years or so about this i see so here you are you’re working on
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something for automobile industry and some people might say well the reason it didn’t progress is because the automobile industry and the gasoline industry really don’t want people to be cutting down on their usage well in a world that now is suddenly keenly aware that our usage is what’s killing all our planet here and so it that’s something i’m sure that really could have a life if it was shared but here it was it was in uh that way but suddenly health now why would suddenly health
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have come up on your radar i you know i understand that um you your wife is a dietitian is that right she has her master’s in nursing i see and um you guys were i’ve heard things about you you’re really really good at putting people’s menus together for different type of things they have um you know when i i don’t want to get to be a doctor here but i know that you have tremendous amount of uh knowledge about health i mean you’re 104 you don’t look like 104. i don’t know how you do
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that only 102. but um this i mean when i think about this hho if it wasn’t for the discovery or understanding that it had health benefits that’s what i’m curious because when you get into health benefits then you have a lot of people looking at you because they want to scrutinize what you’re saying to be able to substantiate what you’re saying well george wiseman he sells a machine for twenty five hundred dollars and one who started first that was probably about five six years ago this machine
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what’s behind me that’s a modification well it’s just like the machine he’s changed some things he had and a bunch of safety features he’s his is painted white but it’s 2500 and he sells them a lot he’s already sold probably about two and a half million dollars worth so he sells a lot of them he sells them all over the world has a lot of advertising and if you wanna sell his machine you gotta give the guy like 25 thousand dollars and he’ll set you up i see so he sets up dealers
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yeah so now his machine he made before the one behind you he made one and daryl mason is a automotive engineer he took that his machine and improved it and got it so it’s 165 percent efficient gave it back to george then george was selling that first but now he’s switched to the machine that’s behind your shoulder there so gerald who kept telling me i was working daryl’s an engineer he’s got he’s got his master in automotive engineering and he worked in detroit when he retired he started doing
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the hydrogen he was doing it on ebay he had an ebay store so i became one of his dealers he kept telling me you need to do the healthy and i go yeah yeah yeah so i mean i wasn’t sold on it and i just kind of blew it off but i have a friend and he had parkinson’s he also broke his back and called his football and he has constant pain he says that he wakes up five times a night for like 50 years he’s in the 70s with back pain so i said well let me look it up so i looked up the research on pain with
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hydrogen it says it does away with it does it worth inflammation so i didn’t know anything about this stuff so i went put a garbage bag taped in his armpit taped around his waist poked the hole and i puffed him up like the michelin man full of hydrogen gas for an hour no obsolation of the area right yeah so he went to sleep that night next morning he’s up white roswell did it work how how was it he says that’s the first time in 50 years i slept the whole night through without pain usually it
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takes me an hour hour and a half to get out of bed he said i got up half the time wow he was doing it every night and then i kept doing research on it and stuff and then we found out helps parkinson’s so he was had the shakes and stuff he started drinking the water and breathing at night and his parkinson’s started going away his shakes went away and he still was walking clumpy because he already lost that part but he was doing so much better so he’s he’s been doing the hydrogen probably
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for five years now four or five years wow and uh i mean when i think about this i when i did my little research i it relieves pain of muscles and joints it increases your metabolism obviously it’s it’s uh it reduces stress on kidneys and toxins it’s an antioxidant like no other and that i thought that was very interesting antioxidant meaning it’s it’s getting rid of free radicals we hear about that in the news from all kinds of other stuff but the only selective antioxidant i think
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in the world like this is hydrogen it if it goes like you said it goes into the body there might be a hundred places it can go but it only does work on 40 because those are somehow incomplete right so uh that’s a huge thing i would have thought that this would have been in our news and it as a solution and a help in medicine like almost nothing else i’ve ever seen before i’ve sold this to six doctors here in america and they use it for themselves they tell me they cannot tell patients about it or
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they’ll lose their license to lose their malpractice insurance they cannot tell them to use it they can’t tell me anything about it they said they don’t know about anything except how certain chemicals or drugs make your body do certain things that’s all they know so when they say practice they just practice throwing chemicals at your body and see if it helps you so they don’t they don’t know how to cure you they only know how to mess around with them well it seems like um
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through all this time of discovery there’s a gentleman named tyler lebaron who has the molecular hydrogen foundation or indus institute who’s american and uh traveled to to japan and studied there and has studied in china and i guess you’d say has accumulated incredible amounts of research and been part of research even over these last couple of years with this covet thing it just amazes me that we don’t see these machines everywhere but that’s because people don’t know about this i
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guess and also the the testimonials i’m sure you could probably come up just as we’re sitting here of more testimonials of people that are using this machine that you had talked about one lady in lubbock texas mention that to our audience if you would yeah she sent me an email when was this recently september 12 2019. she said she loves the machine her husband kept her on it ever since receiving it she has fibromyalgia osteoporosis nash which i don’t even know it is fatigue neck leg back pain
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constant pain from these elements muscle spasms so bad it pulls her hands into knots and pulls her ribs out of place since she’s had the machine she has very little muscle spasm less pain floaters in her eyes are gone less inflammation she has been suffering unknown diagnosis of facial pain for 17 months only to find out she has abscessed root canals i’m having much less pain still working on my root canals but only been on the machine about two weeks i used to have a sick feeling inside all the time and now
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it’s gone i have more energy my husband has arthritis very bad in his hands and could not close them his her husband’s an engineer he has only used the machine for four times and most of the arthritis is gone he can close his hands he’s still working on one knuckle in each hand we are so pleased that we are buying one for our family she actually bought four more came to all of her relatives but but some of the relatives they don’t use them they just you know you can’t i always tell them you can’t think stupid
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well you know what i also think in america the idea of preventive medicine isn’t quite as uh as widespread as it should be you know isn’t it nice to catch something before there’s a problem so i would think that something like this should be in every home like i i have mine behind here in fact i had a you probably uh know very well i had a my lady friend had a a friend with cancer and sent it to her to help manage some of her symptoms and reduce some of the effects she’s had um i find it amazing to me when i looked
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and looked at all the research when i looked at the number of things that had impacted i mean i’m reading hepatitis b influenza viruses parkinson’s lung repair i guess that is the big thing because ventilator-induced lung injury there are articles all about this that’s why i say i’m amazed in this covenant time we’re not hearing about it in march of 2020 that’s uh what a year and a half ago almost there was a doctor in china that spoke to the european european uh group of doctors
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i think i have a video of it we’ve shown it we’re in the hospital in china they treated people that were on ventilators and very sick from covert and they used uh one of these hydrogen machines and they were getting better and they didn’t need to use the ventilators because their alveoli were getting less and less inflamed major thing that’s why i’m just amazed it’s a year and a half later i would think i should hear hho and hydrogen on everybody’s lips the i guess that’s a whole other style of
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why we don’t hear everything huh about a year ago the chinese got in touch with the cdc and they came over here and they had a 24-hour symposium and they were shown the hydrogen they were showing the research they were showing uh videos of the patients and how they gave the hydrogen gas their swelling went down they started breathing and stuff and they were saying that the patient stays in the hospital three days totally the virus is totally dead in three days and they showed them all that the
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doctors were flying in from california all over 24 hours a day they were going over and over the same program after 24 hours they’re all done the doctor said we don’t understand this they all left and they all kept doing what they’re doing because if you have covert 19 and they put you on a ventilator they get 35 000 so it’s all about money you know think of what i mean if god forbid i have covert or someone around me would have uh something they could use the machine and get healed but even
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before you would get anything this has tremendous you know again i don’t want to give it health benefits but when i look at all that research i can’t see anything but a plus you know encapsulation like you talk about your friend you know putting it on his skin and breathing it and a lot of people put hydrogen in water that’s a bit different isn’t it i guess you could you can bubble it in water and it’s the same as as a soda with carbon dioxide in it okay so what the hydrogen
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will go in the water it’ll go in between the water molecules and saturate saturated and you can get up to like 7.5 parts per million in the water that’s the maximum you get in there without pressurizing you can pressurize get more and so the according to the japanese ministry of healing if your water has 1.5 parts per million hydrogen in it up to 7.5 parts it’s a medical dose now the ones who set setting up the the rules the guidelines is the ministry health in japan they use it they have clinics on the street you can
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buy the water with hydrogen you can go there you can sit there and breathe it to get it’s all over japan when when the nuclear reactor went off the government rushed machines in there everybody who got a dose of was on a machine i think they only had one or two people die because the hydrogen reverses all of the radiation even nasa when the when the they’re up there at the space station they have a high conservation of hydrogen in the air they’re breathing because it’s 29 times more radiation up
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there than on the earth and it reverses the radiation damage and when the astronauts come down they breathe hydrogen for two weeks after they’re down so they don’t have any problems with the radiation wow i mean you go to the navy the navy uses hydrogen they go down 3 000 feet diving and they use 49 hydrogen 50 helium 1 oxygen wow they don’t come up with the bends well you know all this information is i mean it’s almost almost it’s unbelievable how much information is available about this
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why uh why aren’t we hearing more of it does it just seem too fantastic for people or something i’ll give you a little story a doctor calls me from idaho he says uh he says well i read your your stuff i said does it help ms i said well you know there’s over 10 000 researchers out there now that’s published and i’ve only seen one on ms and i don’t understand it they use all their fancy medical words and stuff and i wasn’t going to sit down and look up every word to find out what they were saying so i
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sent it to him next day he buys a machine i said what did that research says he says it kills ms my wife has ms so he bought the machine for her i called her up about a month and a half two months later and i said did it work because i didn’t know if it worked i only know i only know what the research says she says i don’t know if anything’s for the ms all i know is i did only get out of bed hour and a half a day before i took the hydrogen now i am up until nine o’clock at night every
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day i can do anything i want he says i’m never gonna stop breathing the hydrogen now if if i was a listener out there i would be saying why goodness gracious how come i haven’t heard about this this sounds fantastic so right now whether you have covet or not and you’re interested in taking care of your health to me this is a preventive health thing this is something that everyone should be having and being able to use there’s about 20 research on covet and hydrogen and all of it says that it kills kills
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viruses now i have a i have three doctors in peru they have one machine and he was on three words and i asked him how are you using he says if a patient comes in they can’t breathe we let them breathe for an hour their lungs are okay we send them all well the way i’m just what triggered when you said kills viruses because the virus is quote technically not alive whatever it is it has these protein spikes right and that’s what we’re talking about that those spikes uh the hydrogen
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does its thing there and neutralizes it that’s what we’re talking about right yeah is a scavenger five-minute cell your body and if you get something wrong in that cell it scavenges it takes it apart disassembles it either your body repairs it or it does away at that cell and gives you a new one and it’s one of those things that can get everywhere because it’s one on the periodic chart it gets through every wall in fact trying to hold it in a container is a difficult thing it goes
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to glass doses stainless steel it does not go through aluminum but i don’t know why that’s what you say but i don’t like aluminum because aluminum in your brain is not good for you right so i don’t i don’t mess aluminum just because i don’t want particles aluminum so i like the idea of uh creating it and using it and there’s no need to store anything like this turn the machine on it does its creation and the fact is how could it be more safe because it’s water it’s all water isn’t it
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well half of your body is hydrogen half of it is oxygen by volume not by weight right because hydrogen is is the lightest thing in the world in the universe in the universe well this is exciting and uh i think the thing that really intrigues me the most is that in the united states we’ve been so i mean i mean in that we’re not getting the information that the world is getting i mean the fact of what you just told me about japan and uh that it reverses radiation now i’ve read some of
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these articles also so i know you’re not just talking from the sky there’s been lots and lots and lots of research on this why we all don’t know it and hear of it as a the new miracle i don’t know something that’s natural easily available that could be a tremendous reduction in so many health problems i mean when someone says virtually all diseases that it helps those are major claims yet they’re out there and that literature’s i say literature scientific studies and
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and all the clinical trials and all that stuff’s all been done the majority of them are held in nih in their library so if you if that list that that you have of all the different research yeah if you type in the research on the on the far right column you type in the research address it’ll come up in the nih right i see that so um everyone knows the national institute of health it’s interesting the whole world it just so happens i’m reading a book now by a doctor a phd doctor candace perch
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and she’s talking about the molecules of emotion it’s so interesting that at that level of genes and receptors so much of the activity is happening that causes or could quote cure or you know so many different ailments it’s an exciting time we’re in to think that something as i like to say as safe as this i mean when i say that i you know i think am i making a medical claim no i’m not this is every research if you read it they all say there’s no downside no bad effects to hydrogen
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all of you say says that wow well i think that’s the reason i chose to have you on our show here because our audience needs to know this it’s um probably one of the more important things in our you know with the numbers of people and the lack of numbers of doctors and the idea that we should nip the problem in the bud before things get worse you’d think that this would be something that’s on everyone’s lips maybe we can be part of getting that information out there in a bigger way and i hope to be
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able to have people contact me and i’ll be contacting you i’m sure about uh getting some of your machines you know i i am keep thinking that uh in these crazy times this kind of an info this kind of information is so powerful i mean how many people would like to be using this machine behind me so they’re not susceptible to this spiked protein of a cove well i uh breathe it every night for however long i sleep yeah and i’ve done that for over a year now and i have bone on bone on my knees and
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they want to cut my knees off and put those fake ones in and i’m resisting it and i’m hoping that the hydrogen will fix my problem i just know that every month i walk easier than the month before so i don’t know if my cartilage is coming back i just know that my pain is going away i’m much better at what i’m doing and also i think i’d clove it for almost a day i got weak one day but you know you can’t get cold if you’re breathing hydrogen it’s impossible because it it can’t start on you
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so my wife she had a virus and she went that’s encovered she went to the doctor us oh you have this 10 day virus you know it made her she coughed happy and coughed 24 hours a day for 10 days i didn’t get it then right after that her body was weak she got a bacterial infection and she was on antibiotics that for another 20 days and i didn’t get that either and now my wife is breathing hydrogen every night because i didn’t get sick she got sick and so my brother my older brother he’s 18
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months older he uh got multiple on cancer that’s when his white his white killer t cells were cancerous it talked about no cure for everybody dies there’s no no chemo for it because it’s everywhere so i looked it up got them on hydrogen and also broccoli sprouts broccoli sprouts just happens to kill that guy and the hydrogen helps the broccoli sprouts and so his his uh cancer every six week was doubling they gave him a date they’ll be dead by they said when your bones start hurting so bad you come to us we’ll put
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you on opioids until you die and that was his that was his highlight of his life so he started the broccoli sprouts and the hydrogen he went to the doctor six weeks later the doctor says well you have cancer but it’s not going to kill you see him in a year he saw him a year later now he’s past the time he’s supposed to be dead saw me a year later and the doctor says what the hell are you doing you were two when you were here now you’re 1.2 he says what are you doing you’re killing the cancer even more
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then my brother very smart guy stop doing the hydrogen stop doing the broccoli sprouts next year he goes to the doctor it’s back as bad as it was before i told him you have not changed your diet or your lifestyle what gave you the cancer is still there you gave it back to yourself now he’s back on the broccoli sprouts back on the cancer and it’s going back down the doctor showed him a graft where it showed his cancer was really high then it went down to nothing for a whole year then went back up
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so yeah you say that’s amazing i wrote a paper it’s called death by fork you kill yourself by what you eat the meat the eggs the chicken they all give you cancer so nobody has stopped doing that so you’ll have to take something you take something good to counteract something bad so you go down the middle and live wow so death by fork yep it’s quite a nice paper it’s 27 pieces wow is that available to everyone somehow maybe we can get it well i i got i wrote that one it took me probably four or 500
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hours of research like your eggs if you eat more than one egg a week there’s choline in your egg when it hits your liver turns into a a really bad substance that gives you cancer whatever it touches and so eggs give you breast cancer and prostate cancer it’s almost a guarantee so everybody has eggs every morning with half ham and bacon and eggs your bacon and your ham’s got nitrates in it also gives you cancer so it’s called death by foreign almost everybody dies from something that they’re equal
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100 years ago they died from diseases now we die from food wow and then we try to keep everybody alive longer with all kinds of medical stuff so if we stopped and made our uh food better we need less medical well every cancer patient that they keep alive for a year is 45 000 profit in the bank for every doctor big money you got to keep them alive as long as you can because it’s more money well i hope that’s not what’s going on but it should a lot of money going in i have a lot of doctor friends that’s
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what they tell me they say we only get 15 for office visits the rest of their money comes from the drug companies okay so how are things up where you live i mean i i’m seeing behind you a a beautiful thing i can tell by the size of those open oranges that that’s not right behind you because they look like watermelons but uh no that’s uh it it’s a lot larger than i want it to be it’s not it’s not life-size but that’s beautiful stuff is that current how’s the weather near you now
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it’s real nice it was like 80 degrees today high humidity we have that hurricane the weather is coming off it’s one o’clock tomorrow we’re supposed to get four to seven inches of rain up in the mountains that’s quite exciting you’re where are you up in the mountains of uh west virginia would you say yep uh when i get four inches of rain when it gets to the bottom of the of the all the mountains it’s like six or eight feet across the valley all the roads you have to wait up four hours or so until
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it drains down so it gets back to the roads everything’s covered that’s a lot of rain four to seven inches of rain well yeah especially when everything is downhill here well thank goodness right so you’re you’re at the top of the mountain i’m on top of the ridge right wow well no kidding you really look uh very young and and healthy feeling healthy huh oh yeah i feel great it’s just i’m well i’m 70 so i mean i’m i just went out last week two days i got 10 big old trailer fulls of oak
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cut it loaded up and i split it up i i do a lot of work i worked up about 12 15 hours a day wow well you’re looking really healthy that’s great um another thing that hydrogen does it makes you live longer and it when it does when you take hydrogen it shortens the telomeres on the cancer so the cancer starts dying on you just because it’s shorter television so so the cancer every cell has a suicide switch the cancer turns the suicide switch off and the cancer lives forever never dies
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it’s like all of our cells die so if you take turmeric turmeric will turn that switch back on so the cancer will die of old age turmeric does that and so does hydrogen now if you’re scared of the covet you can double your immune system if you take one cup of blueberries every day you have two billion killer t cells if you take one cup of blueberries by the fourth day you’ll now have four billion killer t cells so you double your immune system by just eating blueberries also if you take a picture cardamom with
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them it will make your killer t-cells ten times more aggressive so now you have equipment to 40 million killer t cells in your body so it will keep all that stuff at bay cardamom how do you just sprinkle it on like a spice i got a little pinch just take a little pinch between your fingers and throw it in the card when they use the the indian um they use it in their um desserts oh wow i take it every day i make my own pills i play i have cardamom i have garlic i have ginger i have i have uh indian gooseberries with some business
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antioxidants i have powdered beets in there i have all kinds of stuff i make my own stuff i put them in number two capsules and i take two capsules a day i take zinc because they they found out that those people who died from covert had no zinc those people who lived had more zinc so and vitamin d3 is also so that’s the doctors who are killing it they used to make sure people have zinc and and d3 which everybody’s short of there’s there’s all kinds of little things that you can do so you don’t have to get sick
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but you know with all the news i think it’s only been in the last week i’ve heard anyone mention things like vitamin d3 and zinc and quercetin and what else they talk about melatonin to calm you down but uh so dr mcconnell in texas he’s got a uh four things you take and it he said everybody everybody all of his patients lived except two and they didn’t die of covet they died of whatever else they had beside it but he’s only had two people die from it all and it gets they get cured and weak
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but now they want to get a booster and then now there’s more variants because a variant is something i would think that anything that’s trying to live creates a mutation to try to live so i don’t see mutations as stopping i just think it’s sort of part of the process you have any thoughts on that stuff or have you had anything they’ve said that we’re going to have it the rest of our our time it’s not going to go away it’s going to be here forever so it’s uh that preventive stuff like
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we’re talking and uh the hydrogen i say hydrogen i really mean hho but i guess hydrogen itself is valuable are there any ways you can get hydrogen besides infused in water besides this kind of machine well if you take regular hydrogen and buy it at a store it doesn’t work it’s only the one that split the hydrogen oxygen together that’s the only wonder where it’s the hho the browse gas that’s the only one that works because they they’ve tried just straight hydrogen you
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buy it a tangle that story though they just tried you know it don’t work something something different about it right well that’s what with the electrolysis of water i really it’s so exciting to me to think that these things have been here so long there’s some word like shinuru something like that in japan like you say it’s been part of their culture and their their healing for 12 years yeah and uh this kind of a practice has naturally been around for centuries that they’ve been using
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uh you know treatments involving um hydrogen and well you you’ve heard of these eight springs all over the world where people drink the water they buy the gallons of it they take it home they drink it they get healed yeah they went and tested all the water all of the water have hydrated them all of them usually have a magnesium deposit so the magnesium is given off hydrogen and so it’s the hydrogen that’s been healing everybody yeah they’re not funny they they credit all kinds of other stuff but
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it’s the hydrogen yep well um i think i’m gonna have to do another show when i bring tyler on i’ll probably i don’t want to get too chemistry-like but he really has uh the credential to explain it in such a way when he graduated from college he did his his master’s thesis in japan with dr oha and that’s where he started so he was with the guy who started the whole thing 12 years ago dr oha in japan and he learned from the from the top and he’s really tyler is really really good at this
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stuff and uh and he talks about it very matter-of-factly and so do you i mean i’m i’m sure that our audience has learned a lot just sitting here listening to you today and they can go and like you say check out everything that you’ve said um well even on alzheimer’s if you if they drink the hoh water it helps with the symptoms it doesn’t bring back dead brain cells but it can help them so they don’t get worse and there’s a lot of people with a lot yeah all right 3 million in the united states alone
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well alzheimer’s i guess again it’s food a lot of people think is created out of diets it’s oh pesticides yeah and you know what gets rid of pesticides i did this test once it’s called it’s a blood test and i had enough pesticides in my body being electrician working all these chemicals that enough pesticides in my body seven times more than was safe and the guys the doctor told me he said i will have i will have parkinson’s within five to seven years because of my pesticides
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and my mercury was nine times higher it was supposed to be my lead was 11 times higher because i worked in dc down in the manholes with all that leather gas out because when the leather car goes by the lid and the exhaust goes 10 feet drops the ground brain washes them in the manhole i was so much lead in my body i took ozonated water within two weeks i had all the mercury gone all the pesticides done and half my lead gone was the ozonated water binds it up and you flush it out and how do you get ozinated water this
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stuff on amazon you have to buy an ozonate there’s an ozonator it’s like 79 bucks and then you just bubble into water and it lasts when it turns off the ozonated water lasts 20 minutes and all the ozone is gone so you have to drink it within 20 minutes and i was hammering down one to three quarts a day to get i was i was not wanting to get parkinson’s right so i i got rid of that like every time i spray roundup i go in there and knock down a couple of quarts of ozonated water to make sure i bind it up
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but otherwise you get cancer from spraying that stupid roundup that roundup yeah i think they’ve just oh i heard it i don’t haven’t seen it except that i’ve heard that they no longer can sell are they taking it off the market because of all the losses i still see it it’s just not here all right i remember yeah they pay out billions of dollars to everybody but they put that in the price so they still have a profit so they can pay out all they want and they still sell it to pay to make money
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to pay off well you know it’s a very funny thing man i remember when there were things in the pesticides and farms when i got here to maui in 1988 and 89 they were talking about the coral reefs were dying and they wanted to do a study and 200 000 was the cost i happen to be looking through a department of energy annual report of 1983 and on page three it’s talking about uh fertilizer runoff killing the reefs in the five years before yet they still spent 200 000 to come upon the same conclusion
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and the thing is all these things were legal to be used even though it was outlawed because you could use what you had but you couldn’t get any more so they bought up all they could and have been using all these years even though it’s illegal to be made the world of profit yeah they outlawed ddt but you can still use it overseas they outlawed the aldrin which was the grasshopper poison so you can’t use it in america so they make it america they send it to africa and use it for killing
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termites when i was over as missionary in africa you could buy right in the hardware store the eldon which is super poisonous they spray it in all the foundations to build a house that way it’s toxic and then the termites won’t come up it’s like cesium chloride caesium chloride is used in germany to kill lyme disease it kills it in two weeks totally kills it okay they won’t use it here in america because the drug company stopped it so it used to be a class class aid i think it was a drug or b
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drug i can’t remember which one it was but it was that you had to be a homopathy doctor and you or you had to be a research you could use it and so they were killing too much cancer and killing lyme disease so the drug companies got the fda to make it a class b so you had to have prescription again so they couldn’t use it so before they did that because i have a i have a friend he’s a uh he’s a is it a chemical engineer and he’s been curing lyme disease in two weeks and most
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people have it forever and can’t get rid of it so i took it because my wife had lyme disease i had lyme disease i took it because he was saying it kills random cancer so if you just take you know five grams of it stuff it kills the cats i just took it for a month and it killed my lyme disease that even though it was gone for about three months so i mean it works so we so they shut it down there was a monk who went down to uh south america he got some nasty diseases down there so he wanted some and
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you couldn’t buy it anymore so i went to amazon to my old sale and said buy it again so i still got some even though it was shut down so i sent it to the monk and he killed his lyme disease too and one more time what is this that we’re talking about cesium chloride not available anymore except out of the cap if you’re good at the computer you can still get it you got to be clever but it kills lyme disease and there’s nothing my wife had it and i’m not kidding she spent 1600 every visit to
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the doctor cash and she saw the doctor for four years and finally we killed it using some holopathic methods wow you know and when we started our conversation i was thinking i was going to go one way being gone the way it has i’ve i’ve found this to be a very interesting hour you’ve got a lot of uh well i could probably do 10 more shows well for sure we’ll have you back here again i haven’t even told you all my stories but anything that you want to be sure that you any story that you think would be
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fun to tell type 2 diabetes okay i have a friend in church he was a treasurer every time he eats a potluck after church he falls asleep for four or five hours and he always goes out in the car and goes to sleep never see the guy again so his wife was sick with something so he bought a machine from me for his wife and his wife has a twin sister the indians so they live in the same house so the wife and her twin sister were drinking it and he just went and had a glass of it for what the heck you know
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and he’s been 20 years taking in about five to ten instant shots a day he’s been bad for 20 years he drank the thing of water kept testing his blood he kept drinking the water two weeks later he called me up and said man this stuff is not good man i haven’t had any shots now for two weeks and he kept drinking water for six weeks he didn’t have to have a shot finally he gave himself a shot because he thought maybe he needed one even though it said he didn’t and so then he quit doing it
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as soon as he quit within six hours he had to have a shot wow wow and then type 1 diabetes that’s when your pancreas quit making insulin so they took 15 people there’s a research that’s in the list i have to 15 people weren’t making any insulin gave them all one liter of hydrogenated water a day for two weeks test them again and three of them were making insulin like it wasn’t is all less than five percent so it wasn’t enough to make a difference in their life but what they
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figured out that some of the cells were weren’t quite dead hydrogen went in there scavenged them and the body fixed them they were back working again so the the conclusion was if we can get these people with type 1 diabetes before they get real bad the hydrogen would stop the progression and they would be not cured but they would be maintained wow usually it starts in your early 20s well i’m i’m going to make uh some of this information available through my website both to get to you and whatever
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i’m sure we’re going to hire people saying hey i’d like to hear about that machine so we’ll get in touch with you what i like to do is give them the table it shows all the research and let them read it let them decide intellectually that this is what they want i don’t want them to buy it without reading their search i want to have informed people because i don’t make very much money on this i you know of course so i’ve been i’ve been quitting so many times but these people come with tumors
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and they want it you know so i keep doing it even though i mean there’s not enough money to even make it wow well we’ll see what we can do about you know i mean from uh the other guys selling them at such a much higher price you’re gonna have a lot of people who are comfortable to do this and uh do you if you had to uh make a lot of them could you i have about 50 machines in my in my shop i ordered um i ordered from the factory in china through my friend right and i ordered 50 of them but i wanted to paint them white
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so they said okay if you paint we’ll paint them white but you must buy a hundred of them so i said okay i gave him 50 down for 100 machines three weeks later the factory sends word back oh we’re not going to paint him because it avoids our patent but they wouldn’t so i said okay i only want 50 machines no it’s too late you have to take all 100. so i got 100 machines still blue but i wanted white ones so i mean so i got still about 50 left and we can always get more we’ll see
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what happens i have it yeah the price the prices went up so i’m still i’m yeah i’m selling them almost only like a hundred dollars more than i buy buy them well you know fact of the matter is well you know you you have dealers or let’s just say we’ll make room for the dealers you’re still way under these other guys we’ll make it up there so that it’ll be reasonable for you to be doing you are really uh the backbone of i mean i don’t know anybody else that’s
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selling hho machines here in the states well there’s the guy here in maui um who’s making them but you make the internal piece for that so i’m looking forward to hearing response from our audiences around uh give them the research let them let them read it up and think about if they don’t want to learn then we don’t want a sound machine we don’t want to oh yeah i understand i mean to me the the fact is i’m hoping that after this it’ll encourage us to get cracking on making a lot more
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machines because a lot of people are finding real value in this and spreading it you know for me the machine has been a lifesaver i got burned real bad on my leg from my top of my boot up to my belt on my left leg i spent four days in a burn hospital and they were talking about i have to go for four operations skin grafts and i won’t be able to bend my knee the scars would be so bad i looked up under hydrogen and they had like six things on burns and they said breathing the hydrogen and drinking the
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water you have very little scar tissue so i did that and i had no scar tissues i did not have to have my four operations i have no problem even the hair grew black on third-degree birds which means i burnt the skin totally down to the muscles the skin came back even the hair is there you got to be careful you got some i don’t like personal stories like that but good it was painful you can’t imagine they gave me eight shots of morphine didn’t even touch the pain wow and then i had to drive for three hours
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to the stupid burn unit oh god well you know you’ve been a really terrific guest i uh like you say maybe we’ll have to come back and do another hour because with all the stories of things that have happened to your clients and and uh just your general knowledge even something as valuable as to know that broccoli sprouts are a great antioxidant that’s something to know broccoli sprouts peel prostate and breast cancer in about six weeks it’s totally gone and when you add hydrogen to it it makes
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it it makes it more powerful makes it about three times more powerful hydrogen even if you take chemo and hydrogen the chemo is five times more effective taking hydrogen with it and then you don’t have all the chemo side effects if you take hydrogen you’re not sick your hair doesn’t fall out all kinds of good stuff happens wow it’s all in the research yeah i mean the research is so exhausting at uh i say nothing unless i read it in research right well that’s what we they can’t sue me they can’t shut me
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down as i say shut down the research then yeah well nothing unless it’s true well that’s why i’m happy to have you here because credible information in this day and age is a precious thing and uh i’ve really appreciated not only here but over time getting to know you i appreciate your uh your warmth and your sincerity and and uh how much good you’re doing right from where you are they you have you have a few more minutes i have another story that’s kind of cute sure sure
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so this old lady she’s 83 years old she comes to my house she said she wants to buy a machine and i said why not get all the stuff okay i want you to read this literature before you make the decision i want to make sure that you understand and she says no the holy spirit told me i need to buy this machine i said really since yeah he just said right now i was supposed to buy it i said okay so i sold her machine i saw her about two weeks later she had she was a writer she wrote over 40 books her knuckles were so huge
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she couldn’t bend your fingers she couldn’t type on the keyboard anymore so i i sorry about two weeks later and she says i’m back typing my my fingers are working again the swelling is going down and i said well how much do you think it says i only drink one quart a day i said you’re supposed to be drinking a lot more water than that you should be at least three quarters one quart the whole day that’s all the water i ever drink and she’s a little bitty thing and i says okay so then
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about a week later another lady shows up and she says the holy spirit told me i’m supposed to buy this machine let’s say you’re serious you know no he told me to buy i said okay three ladies came to me three ladies said that all three of them bought the machine one lady was a teacher in the school system and she was working maybe three or four days a month because she was bedridden she’s too weak she couldn’t get up as long as she drinks the water she can go to work so she stops drinking the water
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she’s bedridden again i have no clue what she has she has no clue what she’s got she’s all i know when i drink the water i go to work i don’t drink the water i can’t get out of bed do most people drink the water would you say of your experience that’s the way they like to get it delivered almost all of the research is drinking one liter of water but i i drink the water i drink the ozonated water but i just i have a i have a cpap so i drilled a hole stuck the hydrogen there so what i i
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have to have a mask on anyway all night long i just let the hydrogen flow so i do it at night because uh if you have cancer the cancer is 100 times bigger than the hydrogen and hydrogen only takes one little bite so you have to have a lot of hydrogen to disassemble cancer okay so what i tell him it’s not how much hydrogen you do it’s how long you do it so the longer you do it the more disassembling of cancer i’ve had people with tumors in their in their head shrunk them down to nothing i’ve
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had tumors all over the body they just shrink them down i had there’s uh there’s so many stories about about how it shrinks tumors it’s really good for tumors even if even for they they would take rats they would have a machine and they break their spine so the spinal column is severe the spinal cord and they dim hydrogen and would grow back together now i think that’s kind of cruel myself i can’t imagine like a guillotine just going yeah i mean i don’t know how that people
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can do that to wrap but they give them hydrogen they fill the chamber full hydrogen everything they breathe and they say that a spinal column will grow back together if it’s some microns apart but the hydrogen will grow it back together if it’s ten times farther apart wow so you know all these people you know they’ve they get paralyzed and stuff and they put them on hydrogen right away they might not be paralyzed and again when you’re saying hydrogen you’re meaning the hhl sure
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33 oxygen 66 hydrogen isn’t that interesting wow my grandchildren come over and the first thing they ask grandma grandma because i have some heidi water because they said it really tastes good they like they’re hiding water so that’s what they nickname it well you have made this a very interesting and enjoyable hour plus um you’re going to be up there on the net as well as showing here and as well as being on the radio i hope that a lot of people listen to this and i’ll put some links up with it so
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that people will be in touch with us and uh we’ll see what happens we’ll come back and report huh sounds good i hope that you have a beautiful day thank you for taking the time and uh what kind of bird is that behind you it looks i can’t really oregon what baltimore baltimore oreo like the baseball team yep i wonder what makes it baltimore i guess it likes that it’s it’s mustard colored there’s they’re on the eastern side of west virginia where i am i’ve only seen
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one but if you want them at your at your feeder you have to put out great jelly out there they love grape jelly so do the raccoons they’ll climb to pulse to get the grape jar every night you’ll see the raccoon climb on your post well andrew you’ve been a terrific guest here today thank you for joining us here on the neutral zone because yeah you can tell it’s anything but neutral we have lots of things going through here and uh i really appreciate you joining me here and taking the time
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no problem anytime and all of you out there in listening land we hope that you’ll listen to this show again and uh look closer at all the incredible things that are happening in our world andrew thank you very much out there thank you very much we are gonna let you go we will see you again all right bye-bye [Music] you
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