Jason Schwartz again with Scott R Bushnell- point/counterpoint

Jason Schwartz sits again with Scott R Bushnell. 9-22-2025- Both Jason & Scott appear to be at odds over current issues, but it’s only how it looks. Why that is & what differences do WE see? In depth conversation on this last week’s Charlie Kirk murder and reactions from all sides.

Summary, with Full Transcript Below

Highlights

• [02:00] ️ Discussion on the societal outrage and violence after Charlie Kirk’s funeral, emphasizing peace and care for all people.
• [10:52] Analysis of rising autism and ADHD rates linked to generational pharmaceutical use and cognitive behavioral manipulation.
• [14:45] Insight into how global powers use infrastructure and social programs as tools of cognitive behavioral control, likened to modern colonialism.
• [21:48] Explanation of “marbles in a jar” metaphor representing internal emotional stability and how external triggers cause emotional upheaval.
• [27:50] ✝️ Reflection on modern-day martyrs in the Catholic Church and the universal spiritual teachings that unite different religions.
• [33:24] ️ Historical political reflection on shifting party ideologies and the complexities of identity politics in America.
• [51:58] Concern about radical fringes on all sides fueling violence and division, with suspicion of centralized money behind unrest.

Key Insights

• [02:01] ️ Peace as a common ground amid polarization: Despite deep political and ideological divisions, the hosts emphasize that a shared love for peace and compassion can unite people across the spectrum. This foundational human value is portrayed as essential to counteract growing outrage and violence. Their respectful disagreement models civil discourse as a remedy to societal fractures.
• [10:52] Generational effects of pharmaceutical use on neurodevelopment: The conversation sheds light on studies linking the rise in autism and ADHD rates in the U.S. to parents’ historical use of certain pharmaceuticals. This scientific insight connects health trends with broader social consequences and highlights the unintended legacy of medical practices.
• [14:45] Cognitive behavioral control as modern geopolitical strategy: The hosts articulate how nations like China and historical actors like the KGB have used infrastructure projects and social programs to gain influence through behavioral conditioning. This extends the idea of colonialism into psychological and cultural domains, suggesting that global power dynamics often operate through subtle manipulation rather than overt conquest.
• [21:48] Emotional self-awareness and accountability are key to social healing: The “marbles in a jar” metaphor illustrates how personal unresolved anger and internal conflict manifest as outward hostility. The insight encourages individuals to look inward and manage their emotional triggers as a prerequisite for peaceful interactions and collective progress.
• [27:50] ✝️ Spiritual unity transcends political and cultural divides: Referencing shared teachings across Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam, the hosts underscore common moral foundations like forgiveness and respect. This spiritual perspective offers a hopeful framework for bridging differences by focusing on universal human values rather than partisan labels.
• [33:24] ️ Fluidity and complexity of political identities: Discussion of historical shifts in party platforms and regional political differences highlights how simplistic partisan narratives fail to capture reality. The hosts’ personal journeys reflect the evolving nature of political beliefs, encouraging nuanced understanding over tribal loyalty.
• [51:58] Radical fringes and possible centralized funding exacerbate division: The hosts express concern about violent and financially supported extremist elements on all sides, warning that these groups manipulate societal fears and grievances to destabilize democratic processes. This insight calls for vigilance against covert influences that profit from discord.

Additional Noteworthy Points

• The hosts critique media and political figures, including Donald Trump and Joe Biden, acknowledging complexities and contradictions rather than partisan demonization.
• They discuss the decline of traditional media and the rise of podcasting as a freer space for open dialogue with less regulation.
• The importance of accountability and community support for personal growth is emphasized, referencing the Mankind Project’s work in men’s emotional development.
• The show itself is framed as a “neutral zone” where diverse views can be explored respectfully, modeling the type of conversation needed nationally.
• Calls for fresh, visionary leadership reflect frustration with current political stalemates and the desire for unifying figures who can inspire hope and cooperation.

Conclusion

This video is a thoughtful, wide-ranging conversation that transcends typical partisan discourse. It blends current events with deep social, psychological, and spiritual analysis to diagnose the roots of America’s polarization and to propose pathways toward healing. The hosts advocate for empathy, self-reflection, and open, respectful dialogue as essential tools for restoring civility and unity. Their discussion highlights the dangers of manipulation through media and algorithms while affirming the enduring human desire for peace, understanding, and community. The program ultimately champions the idea that societal transformation begins with individual change and mutual respect.

Full Transcript

00:00:00 – 00:01:37Aloha [Music] everyone. It’s the 22nd of September 2025 on the neutral zone. Maui neutralzone.com. Maui neutral.zone zone coming soon with podcast version of this same thing we do. We are sitting in the studios of our host Kaku 88.5 FM the voice of Maui simocast on aaku Maui community media TV for oldsters like me. You can also find us at youtube.comdreamau and the number one. You probably are looking and saying, “Wait, you got more names and places to go.” I’ve been a confusion for a long time.00:01:00 – 00:01:58>> We’re everywhere >> for a lot of people because they don’t realize all these different things fit together in a way. We don’t need these head. >> Well, I I need the headphones, but you don’t need the headphones. You You still have >> See, this is Scott are Bushnell. You bet. >> My co-host and replacement. I You’re my summer replacement. Like the >> I I’m I’m just I’m just that that that that Oh, yeah. Hey, you get over here now.00:01:29 – 00:02:33[Music] >> No, that’s not true. You’re out. >> No, no, no. >> You’re out in the field hearing opinions that >> I often don’t go near. >> I’m hearing it all. But I also know that where we always come together is we love peace. >> We care about people >> no matter how and what their persuasion or choices as long as they don’t hurt each other. >> Exactly. >> But we are getting dangerously. >> We passed we we passed the Rivicon. Way00:02:01 – 00:02:58past it. >> Here we are the 22nd. Yesterday was a funeral for some people said he was a prophet. I that one really bothered me. >> Oh no. He just >> When this guy said to me, “You’re afraid to tell to talk about the truth. >> He’s really a prophet.” It’s like, “Wait a minute. >> Wait a minute. No. >> Why are you pushing this on me?” Well, because >> Yeah. >> I followed I followed this kid for 10 years. >> Some things I’ve heard. I haven’t really00:02:29 – 00:03:18looked in detail. I heard his name obviously. >> No. I followed Charlie for 10 years. >> Kill him. That’s outrageous for people. >> When you can’t win an argument, they’re freaking going to violence. You don’t win your argument, you go to violence because I swear it’s a spoil bat syndrome. You don’t get what you want, you’re going to burn the city. You’re going to just throw a tantrum. And that’s what I feel like I’ve been seeing for the last 10 years.00:02:53 – 00:04:02>> But I, you know, I know this present segue. The only thing that segus it all is the outrage I feel inside. Why is our president not deescalating this? >> He’s deescalating it incredibly well. >> Well, well, when he talks about and going after openly >> people who have broken the law. Absolutely. I can’t argue with that. >> Down a media because a guy said something about opinion. I mean, that is like it is so There you go. You’re being programmed again, Jason. Change your00:03:27 – 00:04:36algorithm. I recognize in Donald Trump that he may have truth in what he says in a lot of things, but he doesn’t have one thing. >> He doesn’t have the people you listen to are not speaking the truth. Jason, >> your personal >> No, Jason. Who? Okay. His house was raided. His attorneys were thrown in jail. >> Whose house? >> Donald Trump’s. Well, was that after he got out of office and he wouldn’t get out of the White House and then he’s finally out and he goes to00:04:02 – 00:04:59>> Jason Quit spreading lies. >> No. Here’s one. >> Quit spreading lies. That’s all you’re doing is spreading lies. >> Let’s Let’s stop right here. >> What’s the lie? >> What’s the lie? He was he was working he was working with the department of internal affairs with to get all the documents moved over. Once the documents went public, they found out that none of them were he was the president. He declassifies and makes things okay. So00:04:31 – 00:05:40you raid his home, you arrest his attorneys, you arrest his friends. Who of Joe Biden or we’ve not arrested anyone else. That’s the weaponization. right here. First thing, let’s start with your issue and then when you said Joe Biden, I say I do not compare or there may be so many things about Joe Biden that if I picked up the rug and smelled the bull underneath that I’d be more upset than D. It isn’t unreasonable for me to guess that’s possible. It’s possible >> and it might be real and because of the00:05:05 – 00:06:08way I receive the news. >> That’s that’s a big part of it prioritize. >> Right. Right. one or the other. Isn’t that what we’re saying? But I do not go for the style or the implication that someone >> if someone breaks the law, should they be prosecuted? >> You don’t This is the question. This is the question. If you break the law, you break the FCC rules, which we follow right here. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Can we be cancelled? Can we be00:05:36 – 00:06:36cancelled? If you’re if you’re a host of a television show and your boss says do not do this and you do it, >> does your boss have a right to fire you? >> By all means. >> I’m only reason stopping you is because >> Well, you like this kind of political. It’s not even political. >> No, we’re having a discussion and this is what Charlie Kirk did. >> No, but yes, but I agree. But I Here’s where I don’t agree. Again, I back to what I don’t agree.00:06:07 – 00:07:12What’s that? >> I just love you, Jason. I just love you, man. I’m waiting for some facts. I’m just waiting for some facts. >> Here’s my facts. >> Okay. >> I don’t like Donald Trump. >> No, you’ve been programmed. I get that. >> Donald, I’m on record. I’ve known about you since I was a young boy in New York. Now, we’re both older boys, and I’ve know about people that have been working with you and with you or in spite of you for many00:06:38 – 00:07:47years. And I don’t need to or want to get personal because the things that are in question now, >> right, >> like Jeffrey Epstein and all the horse manure. >> Oh, yeah. >> That’s been going on. What a distraction. >> What a distraction. How about look, we think something like the patron. I looked up patron today. You see what it meant for a nonprofit and Princess Princess and Margaret. I was going to say and Margaret got >> Okay, I saw that movie. That was00:07:14 – 00:08:19>> Princess to me. >> Yeah, there you go. >> No, but she was now not allowed. They not thanked her for all her help, but she’s no longer affiliated or be a patron of these organizations and because she thought Epstein was a whatever she said somehow upset somebody who upset somebody and that opinion now you’re telling me and that’s it right there firing of Kimmel with the right Kimmel was told not to talk about those things but I’m not looking at this I purposely I’m not looking for the00:07:45 – 00:08:52controversial things that can be Everybody’s calling. >> They You know what bothers me is they I know people for years and if they call me Monday between 11 and 12, >> I almost like want to delete their number. >> Interesting, Jason, because so yesterday we had the funeral. Charlie Kirk, a kid I watched his I watched his whole thing. I loved it. He went to go and that’s kind of why I come here. I like going into where I know nobody agrees with me, which is really fun. >> No, you we don’t not agree.00:08:19 – 00:09:21>> No, we see it from a different side. >> No, but look at the issues and we always realize we come out realizing >> I love you. >> I love you, Jason. >> You love me, >> right? >> In a loving, respectful way, right? So, >> and you’re not going to shoot me. You know, I I question it sometimes, but maybe you might. >> Never. But you would never think that something I said >> would make you pick up or hurt. >> No. Never. No. Or people. But see, then00:08:50 – 00:09:42that’s what we’re missing, Jason. You and I are doing exactly what Charlie Kirk did. >> Yes. >> We disagree, but we have a conversation. Yes. And that’s all he was doing. So what’s nothing wrong with I’m not that’s why I say I don’t want to pick on Charlie Kirk as a as a focus of what we’re talking about because >> but society right now the >> algorithmicians are worried of going out there because someone’s going to hurt them. >> Okay, let’s let’s back up. There’s00:09:16 – 00:10:10something there’s new studies that are being being released today that show that k we have the highest autism rate in the world in the United States. >> You see what I mean? But okay, so we’re going to No, we’re going to No, no, this it’s we’re going to back up. >> Now, we know that parents who have autistic kids have used certain drugs. Now, that’s that study has been done. All right. >> Locked in. Okay. Now, we know >> of the kids >> at some point00:09:43 – 00:10:40>> use those drugs with the kids. >> Pharmaceutical no pharmaceuticals when they were growing up. when they were growing up, before they were married, they had been using certain uh >> psychop have these issues. >> No, they were having depression or something else or when they were younger, the the parents just wrote or the doctors wrote them drugs. >> I remember those days. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Literally, I remember literally I do too. I remember those days.00:10:12 – 00:11:33>> I remember that my they would solve things by giving one another. Now, just like our food supply, they’re finding out downstream here that generational that kids who have parents, one or two parents that have used prescribed medication have an extraordinary high chance of having ADHD. Why do we have one in 10 kids instead of one in 2,000? Those that drug line, they they’ve they’ve singled it out. a bunch of drugs that are no longer legal but were legal for ever up until just a few years ago.00:10:52 – 00:12:03And now all of a sudden now, so here we are. We have people who have used this. We have an entire system um of information that knows how to use cognitive behavioral change as a weapon. So, if your algorithm tells you something and you’re just talking and then your phone says, “Do you want to buy this here or there?” and all of a sudden you’re like, “Where’d that come from?” That algorithm has the chance when I teach behavioral change, which I do with my swimming because I00:11:27 – 00:12:27work with people who have never >> swims.com. >> I I’ve been doing this my entire life. It’s cognitive behavioral change. You incrementally, very, very, very slowly get somebody in the water. >> You’re like fish. A frog in a pot. >> Yeah. You’re slowly I’m not going to kill my swimmers, Jason. Boil them, right? Yeah. Yeah. It’s a very >> You notice how Look how clever. See, he’s clever. Watch this. We were starting talking about violence and00:11:57 – 00:13:05politics and but he’s switched into cognitive behavior and we’re talking about health now. He knows that I’m really a strong supporter of natural medicine. So, he took my passion and now we’re talking about how I agree and he’s going to bundle that well >> because that’s what I see happening is the levels of things going on now the anger of people >> using certain things to be able to >> to manipulate the population. >> But, but Trump is doing it through this.00:12:31 – 00:13:34If you ask Trump, he probably was a Bobby Kennedy fan from way back. And >> they’ve been friends for decades. Yeah. >> Well, again, you and I both don’t know that. We only know like just he would >> No, yeah. I know. I’ I’ve read Clinton and he’s been friends with everybody. >> He was a businessman. >> Yeah. >> I don’t understand. But but how you know again I go off into >> how Jason where I’m trying to get to where I’m trying to get to you too Jason00:13:02 – 00:14:04>> is how did somebody as loving and caring as you and so many people that I know who have never had a harsh word about anyone in their life get manipulated into believing something that somebody else said. Cognitive behavioral change. You hear it here. You hear it here. You hear it here. You hear it here. You hear it here. It’s repeated enough times. >> Why is that not both ways at the same time though? >> Why is it? >> Because your algorithm, your algorithm, which is a very very small, very small00:13:34 – 00:14:51minority. You’re part of a very, very small minority that has that algorithm, okay, that has been radicalized by that. And if you on top of that have other underlying issues, you can be easily radicalized. If the Muslim community and the violent Muslim community, not the Muslim community as a whole, which is a very loving group, has their fringes which have been radicalized. The KGB weaponized this. I did my graduate studies in terrorism. I studied the Irish Republic and army and what was going on in Ireland. That was a very00:14:13 – 00:15:19strange thing. There wasn’t a lot of this manipulation, but at the same time, I was studying what the KGB was doing. When the KGB went into Cuba, they went in and built schools, made food supplies. When they went into South America during the contra pieces, the KGB were down there building schools. They were supplying books. They were doing the cognitive behavioral model that gave them their inset. What China is doing right now with cognitive behavioral change, they are building highways. They are building a highway00:14:45 – 00:16:00straight through the center of Africa, >> right? and they’re building places for people to work. They’re supplying food. That is a cognhavioral model which used to be called colonialism. >> So why why are we now that we know that that’s what it is and that we are being >> played >> played. Now again I take that word gently because >> we don’t know where the truth really is. I >> absolutely Jason I I absolutely agree with that but I know that the algorithms00:15:22 – 00:16:32are pitting two groups of people against each other >> going to have to do with taking and making it more and more fear create more fear to speak out against the leader where is that >> anything whether it’s through a media wherever where is it that we can’t Charlie Kirk Kirk, uh, Jimmy Kimmel, all of us. Why are we putting ourselves in a condition as a society? >> Jimmy Kimmel is not Charlie Kirk. Jimmy Kimmel was a comedian. >> What he what he was expressing although00:15:58 – 00:17:16when I >> he had a contract to do a job to to sell commercials, he wasn’t doing it. He was failing. Well, again, there’s a breakdown, as we know, in the way the television industry transitioned to digital. They got swamped by everybody else. Their advertising thing gota shredded, >> failed. >> So now, so when you have contracts with big fat juicy contracts like these guys, finding reasons to want to have to let to their advantage, right? And that’s and that’s business. If you don’t00:16:36 – 00:18:00innovate, you fail. >> Is it also to an advantage to have a very very wealthy man give to his kid enough money to buy a network? Well, wait. What >> wasn’t the same island Murdoch? No, that was David Murdoch. >> And you know what? Let’s let’s let’s break let’s make it let’s make it small. Let’s make it small. >> Hundreds hundreds of years. Hundreds of years. Is it fair that a hundreds of years ago that a shoe maker who had a great skill at making shoes passed that00:17:18 – 00:18:32skill on to his kids who passed it on to their kids. And at that time in history shoe makers were thought of as wealthy people. So you nothing’s changed. If you talk about how much they make, if you were a farmer and and a cobbler was over here making shoes, they were a wealthy person because they had a skill and they passed it to on to their children. That’s not an argument. What you’re talking about is Marxism and not allowing that to happen. Oh, well I see I sit here and when I hear a00:17:57 – 00:19:20trigger word like Marxism, you see he knows how to spark me. >> How? But it is no but it is you know you cannot be angry at let’s let’s start let’s let’s use the word Marxism and when I say these characteristics through history and and in very specifics are fascism and you go oh no no no let me talk about cognitive way you’ve been taught >> okay >> I I have a problem because I feel manipulated in that >> why are we why are we why are we playing with the differences00:18:39 – 00:19:37when we should go to the the issue that’s the source which is >> why are any of us >> why are to pick up weapons against each other >> only one side’s picking up weapons >> well again there is no side where do you get this idea there’s a side >> well I don’t see after after Charlie Kirk was murdered was there riding in the streets and burning and burning of businesses. No. >> So what does that mean? You’re going to say, well, the Democrats. Are you going00:19:09 – 00:20:13to say the other side? >> It’s not the Democrats. It’s a radical fringe who’s trying to control this country. And once we accept that >> No, I don’t. Well, again, I have ex I think that the radical fringe is left, right, and center. There can be fringe and the center in my experience. Let’s let’s teach this in my my classes over at children and families and I teach at a jail. >> Fill a jar. >> Oh, this I love this one. >> Fill a jar with water.00:19:41 – 00:20:51>> Fill a jar. No. No. >> Then you take the marbles. You fill a jar. Fill a jar just with marbles. Okay. Something bothers you, Jason. Something bothers you. So it shakes your jar and marbles fall out. Okay. If something bothers you or triggers you and shakes your jar and marbles fall out, >> you’ve lost your marbles, right? >> You’ve lost your marbles. No, Jason, that’s not the answer. >> That’s not it. >> What we heard yesterday was internalizing that anything any hate00:20:15 – 00:21:12that you have for anyone else is just a mirror on your soul. We heard that. >> Well, we heard that spoken by someone. >> We did. We heard it spoken by mult we didn’t hear it from our president, >> but we definitely heard it from everyone else. >> But isn’t like that to me that is a really important thing you just said. >> Why is that? >> I would have loved to have heard it from him. He’s not perfect. >> No, >> he’s definitely He’s your age. He could00:20:44 – 00:21:42be. His marbles might be wandering off. No, let’s let’s go back to the issue, Jason. Let’s go back to the issue. >> Generally, people >> What happened with those marbles in the jar? >> The marbles in the jar. There is a big part to that. If you have a moment in your life where you’re thinking, I could have been that wealthy, extraordinarily, you know, powerful person and somewhere deep inside of me those marbles are popping off and I’m getting angry. Am I getting angry because I missed my chance00:21:12 – 00:22:24at being that wealthy person or is there something else going on there? You can’t be mad at anyone if there is an inside you somewhere that’s unresolved. And that’s what I teach in anger management. If you cannot be angry at anyone else unless that anger resides inside your heart. So that said, if something triggers you, and that’s been a big crazy word that’s been thrown around for the last 25 years, triggering you is throwing a marble out. is throwing a marble out. So, something00:21:48 – 00:22:50inside of you is bothered by a reflection in the mirror that you’re seeing with someone that you’re angry with. And you know that through MKP that mankind, >> by the way, we’re halfway. This is KU88.5 FM, the voice of Maui. You also find us on Akaku Maui Community Media. You’ll also find us, of course, on the phone, Maui Stream. Yes. >> Find us on YouTube. >> Call in. Call in. We’d love to have a caller. Somebody, >> you know, everyone says, “I heard we got00:22:20 – 00:23:37a producers meeting up.” By the way, >> you have a knack. Maybe because you you It’s probably what you do. >> Yeah. But um I really feel like the basic issue is the one to talk about of letting people know what you just said about forgiveness and otherwise you hold it in your heart. Keep it simple. Yeah. The more words cognitive >> is hard for people to swallow. So, but it’s it’s it’s changing your heart and that’s what it is. And that was Charlie’s message. That’s been the00:23:01 – 00:24:07message of many people. >> But that is not left or right. >> It is not. And he never was. >> No. And neither am I. That’s he was kind of an advant what happened here. when when you have a a group of people >> description that’s a let’s aim at those guys. >> If you have a group of people who feels very unfulfilled in their life, it’s very easy again to be manipulated into hating somebody with money or hating somebody that has coveting. If we just go back to the Ten Commandments, coveret00:23:37 – 00:24:38your neighbor’s wife, coveret your neighbor’s goods. Okay, breaking down. If you’re angry with Elon Musk or with somebody like that that has tons of money that’s basically just coveting something that you don’t have and you this is a real reach for me to go out on a biblical note here even though you know my history >> you’re not out yet. >> So um >> yeah it it it comes from inside of you. So if there’s a reflection inside of you that says I’m driving a Subaru with00:24:07 – 00:25:08220,000 miles on it. I am blessed to have that car and to have it running. Even though I see friends and even young people driving new cars, it’s like, well, that’s a blessing to them. It’s not a I don’t look at that as my insecurity and say, well, they they don’t deserve it. No, I say that’s great that they work for that and they got that vehicle. >> Well, you’re ahead of me. I don’t spend the energy judging them and saying that’s great for them. I don’t know.00:24:38 – 00:25:39>> Well, no. when somebody gets in your car like you talk about that and you’re talking cars and I’m thinking let’s see I drive we both drive pos 1920 I don’t care what anyone thinks I remember when the mayor at the time went hey Jason at the granda and Ariel and I were laughing because we had this beaten up it reminded me when I remember years ago >> we were driving an old car Jack Nicholson and Warren Batty went to some award show in some old beat up I remember that. Yeah.00:25:09 – 00:26:03>> And they made it an issue like these guys didn’t care. They’re regular people. They’re just regular. >> Well, >> do you know about that? We keep having >> societal. We keep going back to societal change. We keep getting back to take a look in your heart. Whatever religion you are, you like to pick on the Christians because they had a but those doctrines are obviously >> those doctrines, they’re universal. You you can’t all the ten commandments. You00:25:36 – 00:26:36can take those through Buddhism. You can take them through. You can take them through everywhere. The >> Bavita, >> Bavad Gita. Yeah. >> Yeah. They’re there. >> Isn’t that great to know that when truth is watered down when it all comes down to it, >> it’s all the same. The same, >> right? And that was I had a Catholic education. I went to Catholic school. My fingers haven’t quite recovered yet. But the beauty of when I went to Catholic school is we studied the Bavita. We00:26:05 – 00:27:13studied the Hindu book of prayer. We studied Buddhism. We studied the teachings of Muhammad. We studied all of that because you can’t understand your religion until you understand how everyone else is seeing God. So to do that, you have to look inside yourself. And basically these nuns, which were really badass nuns in their day, dissected this and said, “Okay, we agree on so many things. We might disagree on this and this, but we’re all kind of going to the right place. Jason, now00:26:39 – 00:27:54wait, wait, wait, wait. So, we have lost in our country the idea that we all want the same thing. We all want the American dream, but we just can’t agree on who’s driving the bus. >> Isn’t that what this show is about? >> It is, >> isn’t it? >> We I’ve listened to Charlie Kirk for 10 years. what we do spot on to what he was doing. He had a beautiful belief system, a Christian belief system, which I didn’t always agree with all the tenants, but I agreed with he he felt00:27:17 – 00:28:25deep in his heart, I believe that if you can live your life like this, you’ll feel so fulfilled because I am. And that was his message. It wasn’t that that was his belief. It was the teachings of the church that he believed in that made his life feel so good and that’s why he was killed. We have more martyrs since 2000 the year 2000 since the year 2000 to 2001. We’ve had more martyrs in the Catholic Church martyrs dying for their faith than we’ve had throughout the entire history of the world. We are00:27:50 – 00:28:54having nuns and priests killed across the world at a record rate in Africa. We’re losing >> what three 400 priests a year >> who have been martyed in Africa. >> That’s extraordinary. I >> Yeah. You see these things we never hear about. Pope Leo actually had talked about that the other day and I was like kidding me. and he’s naming all these names, these modern-day martyrs. And I’m like, “Wow, this is I didn’t know this.” You know, I remember uh Mother Teresa00:28:23 – 00:29:33coming to talk to my my little Catholic school in Portland, Oregon, up on a hill. I was only six. >> You had me hold one. I’m ready to. >> And it was like and she was talking about how hard it was for the nuns to come in and help these people and bring them food and then they would still kill them because they were bringing them food. They found it’s the world hasn’t changed >> but our heart the only thing that can change. >> I killed you because I’m a scorpion.00:28:58 – 00:30:04Right. I rode on your back or cross but too bad. I It’s my nature. That’s >> Well, we know that you have a black pair of boots and a whip. You know, we know your secrets, Jason. >> Do you No, but do you think that people we we often come about that we’re trying to make changes or get people to to reshift >> do you >> that at a level of our whole society here? >> No. Okay. See, there >> guns and rifles, sit like we do, and talk. You know, >> our our premise is great. It’s a neutral00:29:32 – 00:30:28zone, >> but what you just said in the context, we want to change those people. That can’t happen. >> You have to change your own heart and be that. >> So, that’s what I was saying, >> and we’re there. We’re on the right. We’re on the same page. >> See, we we talk about it different ways, but I don’t expect them to change. They have to commit to that change. That’s why I often look in the camera the big they >> them. Yes. >> Anyone outside that that I’m just saying00:29:59 – 00:31:03that I live >> I don’t look what’s that expression? Don’t think by gentleness gentleness is weakness. No. Someone’s coming at me trying to kill me or mine. I will pick up a weapon and I will use it. Absolutely. But that doesn’t mean I want to or I’m leaning in or not even close. So that I’d like to think that knowing from history people would realize how precious and how critical this is a critical point in history. >> It is it did the turning point. We have00:30:31 – 00:31:50almost a billion views of what was on yesterday. A billion. >> That’s incredible. the most in in and in in >> in the history of the world a billion people watched through streams television a billion people people in Korea people all across the world watched what happened >> I got a picture from the stadium I football stadium fil stadiums filled they had it simoc cast on the other field >> oh god Yeah, >> that field is big. Arizona where it was. I know. >> Yeah, they filled both of them.00:31:11 – 00:31:51>> Wow. >> Yeah, but they could only do security for the indoor. >> When you say yesterday, you mean the day before, right? >> Oh, yeah. It’s Tuesday. Yeah. This retired thing. >> No, today’s Monday. >> This retired thing. Oh, it is. >> This was a Saturday. >> No, this was yesterday. >> Was Saturday? >> It was yesterday. No, I watched I watched all four hours of >> it. >> So, what was the day before? That was just the political talk and everybody00:31:31 – 00:32:21talking the day before. >> I don’t know what Saturday was. I thought Saturday was the funeral. >> Uh, it might have been the the burial, but the the actual service was yesterday. >> Well, how come there was >> I missed mass. Yeah, it was yesterday >> and the day before cuz you know on Saturday >> was the leadup, but >> there were things this one spoke spoke and Trump spoke. That was >> That was yesterday. No, that was yesterday. >> Oh, there was also Saturday. And let’s00:31:56 – 00:32:58see how crazy it’s getting. >> I know it’s crazy. >> Anyway, that was a lot of people there. I wonder how many of those people didn’t like Charlie Kirk but wanted the show that they didn’t like. >> I actually I looking through the crowd um that Turning Point USA which I honestly I when I was in the when I was in college and we I was a weird I I revolted against all the Democrats in my family and was a Republican. I think I did that in revolt, but actually I did00:32:27 – 00:33:23it because Jimmy Carter boycotted the Olympics and I had friends that were uh swimming that didn’t get a chance to go to Moscow. Long story short, I became a Republican back then. >> That was your reason? >> Yeah. But then I went to meet the chairman of the Oregon Republican Party. I I interviewed him for a college paper and I started listening and then I started backing up. I went to the library before we had the internet and I found out that the Republicans were the ones that were the majority that passed00:32:54 – 00:33:52the Civil Rights Act. I found out that the actual people who were in power when women got the right to vote were the Republicans that passed that. And I’m finding out all these things that I thought were all Democratic issues were actually Republicans. They were the Lincolnesque Republicans, not whatever we’ve got in the white whatever we have now. I have no clue. When I came to Hawaii, I thought, “Wow, the Democrats here are like Republicans and the Republicans here are like Democrats.”00:33:24 – 00:34:24>> Yeah. >> So, I brought that’s what makes me say, >> “Why don’t we pick the best of both worlds cuz and that’s how I became green. I don’t really They are not different. They’re they seem the same and they don’t really have very much differences and they left out a couple of those tenants like social >> justice. >> Yeah. Well, that’s a brand new word. >> Yeah. Well, you understand it more than me. >> But the interesting thing I found in00:33:53 – 00:35:04Hawaii and I and I made that same observation. And I went, “How are all my Filipino friends that I was working with at the Hyatt Regency back in the 80s Democrats when the Democratic Party went down that abortion line and I didn’t know a single non-atholic not going to church religiously, some their parent mom would go to church every day and how they were still staunch Democrats. I was like something’s missing here cuz these these ladies when I talk to them and go to dinner when I hear things like that I00:34:28 – 00:35:42think why do we let because that they would that is that the abortion issue? I mean I when you say that thing about the the Democrats every time someone mentions political party and values I come back to why I started this show. >> Right. Right. because it isn’t that’s what I discovered. It isn’t politics. It’s the issues. >> It’s it’s the personal issues. Right. Right. And I I the abortion issue I I honestly I spoke at Naiall. I was the only Republican um in Oregon00:35:05 – 00:36:08back in 1993 to go to the National >> Association >> of Rep. Yeah. of of women for rep >> Republicans. >> No, no, no. Not Republican >> for >> reproductive rights. Okay. Nol. Okay. So, I’m the only >> I thought it was something with Republicans against liberals. >> No, no, no, no. I I went in and spoke and said, “We can disagree on a lot of things.” But what Nol needs to work on, and this was the just of my speech back then in front of thousands of ladies who00:35:37 – 00:36:36look like they walked out of an ashram. They were really nice, and they all came up to me and thanked me. But I said, “What we need to work on and what I would love to see your organization work on is being able to streamline the ability of people to adopt children. My grandfather was adopted just because his parents died and he just went to live with, you know, so it used to be much easier than it is today.” And but we do have a lot of, of course, we need to do background checks. We need to do that.00:36:07 – 00:37:11We need to streamline that. When we adopted our daughter Janelle, um, my golden girl, that was $40,000 and that was a stateass assisted adoption back in 1992. That shouldn’t be that way. If we’re going to fund doctors to take babies, then we should fund the system so people can adopt kids. There are so many single parents. >> Let’s say we agree on that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So now what? So that’s where we’ve this is where this is what we’re doing. We’re00:36:40 – 00:37:56talking about something that we probably completely disagree on as far as reproductive rights, but we can agree on. We should streamline this service. Why when George Bush Why when George Bush went in front of the country and said, “We need to streamline the ability for people to immigrate to the United States.” He had this bill. I read it. I lobbied for it. way back when George won. >> I lobbyed for it and I went >> and I was like the Democrats were just pounded it down. >> Couple years later, Bill Clinton picks00:37:18 – 00:38:27up that same bill, same verbiage on it. And I said, I am going to help Bill Clinton try to get this bill passed. And then the Republicans decided that they didn’t like it. This is so tribal and such bull, but we we should not have it should not be hard to move here. We should streamline it. We should make sure we’re not bringing in MS-13 gang members. >> I do not seriously pick that bill up. George Senior had this beautiful bill that was going to streamline. It had checks and balances. It had followup. It00:37:52 – 00:38:58had they actually had the funding lined up because they would be able to save money on this. It was a brilliant bill. Bill Clinton picked the bill up and he tried to push it forward and Speaker Tip O’Neal was fighting him on when Tip O’Neal have sponsored the bill when George Bush had it. I just to my I want people to be able to become here and become American. You can’t move to Germany and become a German. No, you can’t move to Italy and become Italian. You can come here and become American.00:38:27 – 00:39:38>> We have fun here. And you are so good. You jump from here to there and to there. And by the time you get to here, yeah, I have no problem with a law or something that I don’t know what it is that we can do. So that if they treat the people for this, they should also support the that, right? I get that. So, so when we jump back from there, which is what we should be thinking to do, >> you jump to examples of when it didn’t work, which I appreciate historically is valuable, but I’m00:39:03 – 00:39:56we’re at that point >> of crisis. >> We need to come together in a way to do something to heal. Isn’t that what healing the nation, >> right? And that’s what Charlie Kirk was doing. >> Well, here we are. And here we are doing exactly what Charlie We doing it too. >> So let’s you could you want to be Charlie Kirk? I’ll be uh Jason Schwarz. >> You can be Jason. >> No. Sincerely. >> Well, I am Charlie Kirk. I I think I’ve always gone into the middle.00:39:29 – 00:40:30>> But you but you see your I the fact that we can talk. Yeah. >> We sometimes get off subject a lot. >> But we don’t disagree. We so far I really don’t see how even on these sensitive subjects, >> right? >> We really come down to not disagree. >> Not disagreeing, but that doesn’t sell commercial time. Let’s go back to Jimmy Kimmel. If what he’s doing isn’t selling commercials and that’s his job to get money for the companies, then you got to00:40:00 – 00:41:18let him go. >> Yeah. Well, it’s just not clear to me that when someone is going for a license that requires approval by this agency >> Yeah. >> and that agency and everything around it is broadcasting how bogus you are. >> Yeah. >> Because it it gets views. The algorithm shows that if you and I were if you and I were to start >> if you were in the network and you’d go, “Holy heck, how are we going to pass this thing now when we’re creating more00:40:38 – 00:41:39enemies? Let’s do some things. I don’t want to say to plate, but we know we’re going to have a problem and I don’t want to have to spend 300illion on a new lawsuit and so let’s fire Mr. X.” He didn’t abide by our contract, but we were letting it happen because we know that we have to have some room for discussion like we do. Like we do. >> Jason, get this. Get this. If you and I right now, you came over the table at me and I came over at the table and you and we started hitting, we would have a00:41:09 – 00:41:58million views by the end of the night. >> It could happen. >> I know. We should plan that >> Yeah. We’ll get some fake We’ll get some fake blood and stuff and we’ll just like, you know, >> we would have a million views. >> So, I’ve been doing this for 30 years and one thing I didn’t do is shoot somebody or cut them or hurt them on the air. >> Yeah. Well, but that’s that’s what makes things >> I don’t want to forget this. I’m going00:41:34 – 00:42:46to probably listed on the show separately, but we I had to bring this up. >> Oh, no. I was I saw >> I’m thinking I don’t want to forget by the end. We have a lady here that is so terrific. Her name is Susie Gastra. Susie G- A S T R E I N. She’s French and she is masterful in many things here at the TV station. Akaku Maui Community Media 33 Dair Road. This Saturday there’s from 10 to 12 I can’t see. It’s 10 to 12. Right. This Saturday is a podcast workshop. So if you’ve thought00:42:09 – 00:43:08about doing a podcast or thought what is a podcast? How do I get started? How can I help someone with podcast? How can I do my own podcast? What are we going to do with these podcasts? All of that. >> Scan the QR code. >> Scan the QR code right here. And you got it. I’ll hold this still. >> Can you get that? You think it’s >> somebody can blow it up. >> Oh, but really you want Oh, how see? Try to bring it closer. >> There you go. You go that again. >> Scan that QR code00:42:38 – 00:43:48>> or without by the time you see that QR code this Saturday 10 to 12 333 Dair Road podcast workshop with Susie. Just hearing Susie speak and talk the way she does about the world. She’s a really gifted and brilliant lady. What a great workshop that’s going to be. >> Oh, it be nice. >> They tell us that she said it too. What we do sort of is a podcast. >> We are doing a podcast. No, there this is a podcast. Yeah. We got We got a special room and nice lights and a mix00:43:13 – 00:44:08and a and a mixing board. >> Isn’t that like podcast? >> It’s podcasting. Yeah. >> And they put it Yeah, I know. But >> and they mix it all up and then they change my words. >> Some directory somewhere that says we are podcasts. We’re a new category. We’re going to only show podcasts. Well, you’ve got a lot of you’ve got a lot of freedom. You FCC doesn’t quite regulate some of that stuff. >> So, once again, we go back to all this stuff about regulation.00:43:40 – 00:44:54>> Yeah. And the only thing Okay, let’s go back to the FCC. The only thing the FCC was was brought to be is so that each candidate in national and local affairs would have equal airtime. That was the whole >> That was it. That was all they were there for. Understood. >> Isn’t that weird? And now, >> but now because I was doing gonna do a show here and I started by going to have Nick Hilananda, green guy, first show and um they realize that can’t do it. We have to interview everybody to be fair.00:44:18 – 00:45:12Exactly. And if they’re not on here, they’re going to go over there and they have to be given time. That’s why I gave up that on radio. >> Yeah. >> Yet on >> public access. Public access. Get it? TV, all those things could happen. >> Yeah. >> But on the radio, >> and they’re getting more views. I mean, the the we are seeing the death of television. It’s gone. >> So, when we go back to our buddy Kimmel, there are all kinds of things that could00:44:44 – 00:45:30say he broke his code of work. >> No, he did. He didn’t do anything that he hasn’t been doing. >> Banner, that was just a couple of weeks before. >> The shows have been hemorrhaging money. >> The money is hemorrhaging. They could have said they’re hemorrhaging money here, too. But that didn’t sell news time. >> It didn’t. >> No. If you just said the guy wasn’t bringing enough money, but they didn’t sell that because that would the news00:45:07 – 00:46:06would have went snore. >> Is that what they did with Steven Cobar? It sort of went quieter. >> But this one, by the way, it’s done. And then the >> Well, and then then all the then all the memes and all those things came out. It was just like, you know, and Donald Trump could have he he’s so brilliant in so many things and so frigin stupid and other things. Yes. You know, >> but but that was a very wasn’t a nice admission. It’s not really even an admission. It’s a realization that we’re00:45:37 – 00:46:29a neutral zone >> and we’re not perfect. >> And Donald, if you’re listening, >> you know, I’m going to do the right thing when the time is right. I hope that you will join me. >> Yeah. Come on. >> Doing the right thing. In fact, you’re welcome to come on the show. >> Yeah. And Jason, I want to bring in a guest and I’ve been I’ve been working her kind of slowly, but hopefully she’ll be in here. She is a wounded warrior, a uh special forces air force lieutenant00:46:02 – 00:47:08>> that I’ve been working with and she’s so amazing. She has the greatest story how she came to America, you know, 50 plus years ago and her whole story and how she became this amazing woman. Just just amazing. I’m trying to get her to come in and talk. She’s brilliant. She absolutely brilliant. >> That’s what also happens here. You see why I made him co-host? You see, >> that sounds like a big Maybe it sounds like nothing to someone, but >> I met Scott at Mankind Project, which is00:46:35 – 00:47:42men trying to get themselves better to be >> put their marbles in place. >> Put their marbles in place. See, we can laugh about it, but >> yeah, >> high vision of high ethical. >> Yeah. Well, MKP is all about men holding each other accountable. And it’s not me making a judgment. It’s you saying, Jason, if I say to Jason, Jason, >> you call me next week three times and make sure I got my ass out of bed, then I went and walked my five miles or my eight miles. That’s what that’s about00:47:08 – 00:48:02that accountability that I’m not telling you to do it. I’m asking you to help me be accountable to myself. And that’s what the Mankind Project is about. And it’s it’s the the indoctrination period is really kind of a rough one because you really have to take great self I mean this is 25 years ago. >> Great self-reflection when you started Mankind. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> So >> it’s still the same. It just has a different cover to the book and because00:47:36 – 00:48:41of >> things in the world like >> they change what they do because the Indians were feeling like their culture was getting disrespected >> but we couldn’t find Wait a minute. Some people say that and other people say well you were being reect someone acquired what you did to put here. Well it should have been done differently. Yeah. >> And I did my training on a reservation. I did my my ind my training my warrior weekend I did on a reservation. Yeah. >> Were there any Indians in the group?00:48:09 – 00:49:14>> Yes. >> We’re still friends. The guy is amazing. Yeah. And he thought it was the most respectful thing and he thought you’ve taken parts of our culture. You >> kind project we’re going to ask you for a contribution. >> Contribution. There you go. And it and it was an amazing I did it in uh Gallup, New Mexico. Yeah. And it was um I >> and I did my training my experience here in Maui 2017. What was your year? >> 2001. >> Isn’t that amazing? That’s 2500:48:41 – 00:49:51years ago. >> Yeah. >> I uh and I I I learned so much from it. I mean, I’ve I’ve tried to do the group here. Um I love them dearly, >> but tribalism has affected our society. We’ve forgotten. We’re both all on the same bus. We just getting mad at the bus drivers. Not going to do anything. >> Yesterday there was a >> a season of peace and nonviolence thing. >> Yeah. >> At Genesis shelter. >> Oh, nice. That’s good. >> But I know that’s interesting because it00:49:15 – 00:50:16never spoke to Genesis all this time. >> Yeah. >> For years. I mean years. The season of peace and nonviolence at Unity Church. would be there >> with Mary Wake, Michael Beck with everyone. So this was going so how these things don’t continue and get merged. They that’s what happens in so many things. >> This one starts their own thing. This one starts their own thing. This and they’re all their own. >> Yeah. >> It’s like my notions about mama. You got00:49:45 – 00:50:47to learn to be collective in our market. the the tribalism we’re fighting which you and I are they we are the solution we are the conversation that needs to happen in the world >> and it’s not happening in the world >> no but we are >> we are we’re here >> so I cherish the times when we come and we talk and sometimes you and I straight out don’t agree but when we come down to past all the you see it this way I say it this way >> we get down to the same the basic thing00:50:16 – 00:51:22which is >> what is the main basic thing. >> The conversation, Jason, do not conversation. >> Weapons. >> No, Jason. I walked out back in my political years. Um, there was a fellow trying to take over the Republican party in Oregon. His name was Lon Mayabon. He had this strange church and kind of cult and he was trying to take over. I actually spoke at three or four of his events before I got dialed into what the heck was going on. Yeah. >> And I walked out an event in Atoria,00:50:49 – 00:51:59Oregon, and there were so many protesters and got we had we had protection. We got stuff thrown at us and it was violent. And we’re talking 25 years a 30 years ago >> in Oregon. >> In Oregon, violence. Total violence against this man for what he spoke. Horrible. But this isn’t new. And it’s always seems to be from the left. I’ve never seen people on the right mad about people on the left for the the fringe left. No, I have not seen it. I I’ve tried to document it. I’ve tried to00:51:27 – 00:52:31research it. >> So, let’s let’s say that’s true. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, >> no cities burned. >> The answer of the the thing is now that we’ve established >> Yeah. that they need to they need to artic the left needs to articulate what they want. >> You don’t burn a city. What what what was the outcome? >> I don’t this radical fringe that’s burning cities very and wellunded. >> They’re they’re not together. >> They’re wellunded. How do the same how00:51:58 – 00:52:59do the same printed signs come out in dozen different cities? >> Printing those signs is very expensive. I’ve printed signs for rallies. >> You think that it came from central money? >> I think it came from central money. We’re being Jason, I believe that you and I are and and the people and our friends are being manipulated. I had a probably a dozen friends text me in the last 48 hours that are people who absolutely have thought I was crazy saying that we are on the verge of civil00:52:29 – 00:53:31war for the last 10 years saying, “Scott, I think you were right.” And I’m like, and I have people who are very left-leaning, kind of like a liber, very free speech kind of person like myself who have going like this incident with Charlie Kirk has totally pushed me away from the Democratic party. I said they should have spoken highly against it instead of celebrated it on the House floor like they did. >> That’s horrible. >> That was horrible. Yeah. And honestly, it it it took a lot of people who were00:53:00 – 00:53:58like questioning where where the party was going and their leadership. The sad what happened and let’s go let’s go back in history just a short bit. Back during the tip of Neil days, back during Clinton, the Democratic Party had some incredibly good good leadership and they had a vision and they were following that vision. All those f all those folks have died off and there was no one to pick up the mantel. Bobby Kennedy picked up the mantel and I really thought he was gonna be the torchbearer. I truly00:53:30 – 00:54:28did. >> And you’re >> talking about Junior. >> Yeah, Bobby Jr. >> And well, you’re talking >> and his father. >> But again, >> his father his father should have been the one to pick up was picking up the torch. We had Martin Luther King who was going to pick up the torch for this next generation, our generation, >> of the Democratic party. They killed off the people who are the visionaries for their party. And so now here we are. We The Democratic Party has been wandering00:53:58 – 00:55:12trying to find purpose and the Republican party has just been stupid. I’m sorry, but they haven’t had the vision. You know, Trump has put out a really good vision. Even though he muddles it with his words, his vision is good. He wants everyone in the country to be able to afford a home. We brought in 25 million people into this country who totally destroyed the housing market. 25 million new people who are fighting for those lowincome homes. You add that in in the last 40 years. No wonder00:54:36 – 00:55:41>> I have no doubt >> as we’re speaking that I agree with you on this. But I don’t like the you know maybe the name calling and the point fingers your arm to save the body. Is that what’s happening here? >> I don’t think so. I think we just we need a we a reassertion of leadership >> of how that maybe that’s it. We only have a minute and change left. I don’t understand why we can’t have someone more eloquent. I mean, like you said, >> of course, I’ll run. If you’re asking me00:55:08 – 00:56:05to run for president, I get it. I will. >> No, but I am I >> It’s not out of my my thought process. No, >> whether you run or not, we need to be putting out this this >> We need fresh leadership. >> Yes, >> we need fresh leadership. >> I hope you’ll join me again here, will you? >> Oh, I love coming. We >> only have a minute left. Okay. I hope you realize that we spent a whole hour just jammering back and forth, but >> we’ve never disagreed on anything. We00:55:37 – 00:56:30know what we disagree on, but there’s so many more things within that premer that we agree on. And that’s what we’ve lost in the country. We’ve lost the leadership that shows us that we all get along, but we disagree on a lot of >> That’s what we’ve lost. And yeah, >> Mike Johnson as a speaker, >> I don’t know what he’s very masterful at getting people to have to be the speaker’s job is a very difficult job. >> We only have 30. Oh, I got it. What a00:56:04 – 00:56:57job. Especially >> Tip O’Neal. Tip O’Neal. He was brilliant. >> All these guys all these years. That’s some job. I learned that from Joe Suki who was here as the Anyway, that’s a whole other story. >> This has been fun again. Thank you for having me. >> Thank you, Scott Arbush. No, we are out of here. Isn’t that amazing? We’re gone so quick. >> So, thank you guys for joining us. I hope you’ll be here next week. We’ve got a terrific guest next week. Hello00:56:30 – 00:56:38everyone. [Music]