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Jason Schwartz & caller-in Donny; Jason had scheduled CouncilWoman-Elect TASHA KAMA who couldn’t make it, last minute… Jason encouraged calls in and in came Donny and YouTube of new era and old “era”… good dialogue and info on Maui Arts and Music Association and a master integrated plan AND HHO Plasma Hydrogen and its potential impact to replace fertilizers and pesticides on crops. 11-26-2018

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“The Neutral Zone” Radio Show on KAKU 88.5 FM Maui

[00:00 → 04:44] Introduction and Opening Remarks

• [00:00] Jason Schwartz opens the show “The Neutral Zone,” live on KAKU 88.5 FM, Maui’s free-speech station. He acknowledges and thanks Naoko Motors Maui Car Rentals for their long-standing support, emphasizing their 30+ years of service to the Maui community.
• [00:46] Schwartz remarks on the show’s schedule: live Mondays at 11 a.m. and rebroadcast Saturdays at 7 a.m.
• [01:29] Jason notes he is hosting solo this episode due to a last-minute cancellation by their scheduled guest, Councilwoman-elect Tasha Kama, who had a family emergency.
• [02:06] He encourages listener participation with a call-in number and mentions the possibility of discussing various topics or playing music to fill the solo airtime.
• [02:44] Schwartz shares highlights from his recent weekend, including attending a Maui Choral Arts concert themed “Earth Concert” which was well attended and beautifully performed. He also mentions a tribute event for Jimi Hendrix at Mulligan’s.
• [03:26] He previews next week’s guest, Sam Small, a local activist and host of “Maui Causes,” to discuss the recent election and community concerns.
• [04:07] Before transitioning to music, Jason reflects on his songwriting and musical connections, introducing a song from Lono, showcasing his personal connection to Maui’s music scene.

1. 1. 1. 1. [07:39 → 17:39] Call-in Discussion: Campaign Finance, Corporate Influence, and Local Governance

• [07:39] Donny calls in, expressing disappointment that Tasha Kama was not present but offers praise for her upcoming council role starting January 2019.
• [08:15] Donny raises a historical point about the 2018 Maui County election: it was reportedly the first time candidates running for office did not receive corporate campaign donations. He urges research into this claim.
• [08:52] Jason questions whether receiving corporate money necessarily correlates with being “bought and paid for,” noting that candidates often claim their donations don’t sway their decisions.
• [09:21] Donny firmly argues that corporate money inevitably influences council decisions, citing the lack of campaign finance reform and unlimited corporate spending as significant problems.
• [09:57] He emphasizes that the current council majority does not have corporate donations, marking a hopeful shift.
• [10:31] Jason reflects on the election season, noting that large financial contributions often lead to suspicion about the integrity of elected officials.
• [11:10] They discuss council transparency issues, recognizing that political nuances often explain votes that might otherwise be misunderstood as corruption.
• [12:22] Donny stresses the importance of thinking about future generations when making political decisions and how current governance impacts Maui’s long-term welfare.
• [13:01] The conversation shifts to the modern information environment, where opinions abound on social media but verifying truth is challenging. Both express concern about misinformation but agree on the necessity of public involvement.
• [13:31] Donny shares a personal anecdote about his famous cousin, the founder of Intel, who helped revolutionize computing, underscoring the importance of technology in shaping modern society.
• [14:15] Jason counters with concerns about technology’s role in spreading misinformation and the decline of deep reading, emphasizing the complexity of today’s media landscape.
• [15:22] They reference the documentary “Poisoning Paradise,” produced by Pierce Brosnan, about biotech industry impacts on Maui, highlighting the controversial presence of Monsanto’s legacy in the area.
• [16:30] Both agree that new local leadership, including Tasha Kama and others, represents a hopeful future for Maui, especially regarding biotech industry regulation.
• [17:02] Donny warns that the biotech giant Bayer’s acquisition of Monsanto is a critical issue, calling for community awareness and action.

[17:39 → 25:51] Unity, Collaboration, and Exploring Solutions Beyond Fear

• [17:39] Jason emphasizes the importance of overcoming fear and division, mentioning a post-election unity event at the VFW attended by most elected officials, symbolizing hope for collaborative governance.
• [18:49] They discuss the challenges of finding qualified candidates for county government, noting concerns about limited candidate pools and the need for transparency in appointment processes.
• [19:21] Jason expresses frustration with a lack of public discussion about council matters and advocates for more live, open conversations to demystify local politics.
• [19:53] Monsanto and the use of harmful pesticides are cited as a significant environmental and public health concern on Maui, with Jason inviting PR representatives to discuss but acknowledging public fear around the topic.
• [20:35] Donny introduces an alternative agricultural method involving hydrogen plasma (HHO or “Browns gas”) that can eliminate the need for pesticides, representing a natural and innovative solution.
• [21:55] Jason mentions he will feature a Maui inventor working on portable HHO technology, promising future discussions on sustainable agricultural solutions.
• [22:38] They discuss Bayer’s historic cash purchase of Monsanto for $66 billion, noting the secrecy and lack of public attention on the deal.
• [23:17] Donny adds another innovative farming method from a Korean national involving food fermentation that promotes organic farming without harmful chemicals.
• [24:04] Both hosts agree on the need to educate and empower farmers and the public to adopt sustainable practices, emphasizing that government regulation alone will not suffice.
• [24:38] Donny references the 2014 Maui County law attempting to limit GMO production, noting Monsanto/Bayer’s role as Molokai’s largest employer, which complicates the economic and social dynamics.
• [25:18] Jason challenges the notion that all locals are dependent on Monsanto, acknowledging struggles among those who refuse to work there and highlighting the need for alternative livelihoods.

1. 1. 1. 1. [25:51 → 42:20] Art, Music, Private Sector Leadership, and Political Engagement

• [25:51] Jason reveals he considered running for mayor but stepped back to avoid conflict with Tasha Kama’s campaign.
• [27:23] The show takes a brief commercial break, promoting a local community event at the Yale Theater featuring Christmas music and readings.
• [29:25] After resuming, Jason and Donny discuss the post-election unity event again and the importance of collaboration among new officials like Alice Lee and Yuki Sugimura.
• [31:41] Donny shares his military background and appreciation for 1970s Hawaii, contrasting it with current challenges and emphasizing the need for renewed stewardship of Maui.
• [33:25] Jason introduces the Maui Arts and Music Association (MAMA), a nonprofit he founded in 1991, which promotes art, culture, and environmental education aimed at sustainability.
• [35:12] The conversation focuses on the power of music and love as transformative forces for society, with Jason highlighting prominent musicians supporting Maui causes.
• [38:24] Donny recounts meeting Mick Fleetwood and the potential for leveraging such connections to raise awareness and funds for Maui’s future.
• [40:08] Jason stresses the need for financial investment in political candidates who align with community values and transparency, lamenting the lack of such grassroots funding on Maui.
• [41:13] Both agree that publicizing these efforts and gaining endorsements from influential figures can help attract sponsors and build momentum.
• [42:20] Jason voices hope that Mike Victorino, Maui’s new mayor, will lead inclusively and transparently, with collaborative efforts between the council and private sector to address Maui’s challenges.

1. 1. 1. 1. [42:20 → 52:31] Housing, Corporate Influence, and Agricultural Sustainability

• [42:52] Jason discusses attempts to gain political endorsements to support his vision, reflecting on past experiences where he was sidelined for not being a “company man.”
• [45:33] Jason believes private sector initiatives and investment will be key to solving housing shortages, citing new affordable housing projects in Kihei as a step but insufficient to meet demand.
• [46:40] The discussion highlights the irony of approving large housing developments near Monsanto’s chemical operations, raising concerns about health and environmental justice.
• [47:18] Jason advocates for private-public partnerships with banks and builders to create sustainable projects that benefit local residents rather than outsiders.
• [48:29] Food independence is identified as a critical issue, with Maui’s reliance on imported food and the vulnerability of supply chains spotlighted.
• [49:04] The legacy of Alexander & Baldwin (A&B) as a corporate monopoly in Maui’s agriculture is criticized for decades of mono-cropping sugar cane, stifling local food production.
• [49:36] Jason shares firsthand accounts from former A&B employees who repeatedly requested land access to grow food but were denied by corporate leadership.
• [50:40] Donny points to shipping companies’ control of food distribution as a barrier to local agricultural self-sufficiency.
• [51:14] The failure to develop cooperative farming and sustainable food systems is linked to corporate interests prioritizing profits over community welfare.
• [51:50] Jason outlines a vision for a self-sustaining Maui, starting with initiatives on Molokai, despite cultural sensitivities and local resistance to outside intervention.
• [53:12] The economic dependence on Monsanto/Bayer on Molokai is recognized, along with the community’s respect for the jobs provided, complicating efforts to reduce biotech influence.
• [53:41] Jason urges ongoing dialogue and collaboration to raise public awareness and advance community-driven solutions.

1. 1. 1. 1. [54:19 → 56:31] Closing Thoughts: Unity, Culture, and Positive Action

• [54:19] Jason reiterates the critical role of music, art, and cultural expression in educating and mobilizing the public toward environmental and social sustainability.
• [54:53] He emphasizes honoring and incorporating Hawaiian culture in all efforts to maintain the islands’ unique identity and values.
• [55:24] Jason dreams of engaging with Monsanto in a way that uses corporate funds for positive, sustainable projects, turning PR challenges into opportunities for community benefit.
• [56:31] The show closes with Jason encouraging listeners to remain engaged, hopeful, and active in shaping Maui’s future, ending with a warm aloha.

1. 1. 1. Key Insights

• Maui’s recent political shift toward candidates free from corporate campaign donations is seen as a hopeful sign but requires public vigilance and transparency.
• Corporate influence, especially from biotech giants like Monsanto/Bayer, remains a contentious and unresolved issue impacting environmental health and local economies.
• Innovative, sustainable agricultural technologies such as hydrogen plasma and fermented farming offer promising alternatives but need public awareness and support.
• The private sector, including nonprofits like the Maui Arts and Music Association, plays a critical role in driving cultural enrichment, environmental education, and political advocacy.
• Housing shortages, food independence, and corporate monopolies on land and resources are urgent challenges that require collaborative, transparent governance and community empowerment.
• Music, art, and cultural identity are powerful tools for uniting the community and inspiring positive action toward a sustainable future.
• Unity events and cross-sector collaboration provide optimism for Maui’s political and social landscape heading into 2019.

1. 1. 1. Conclusion

This episode of “The Neutral Zone” presents a broad-ranging conversation about Maui’s political landscape, corporate influence, environmental challenges, and the power of community culture. Jason Schwartz and caller Donny engage deeply on campaign finance reform, biotech industry impacts, sustainable agriculture, housing crises, and the role of arts and grassroots activism in shaping Maui’s future. The dialogue reflects both concern and hope, underscoring the importance of transparency, education, and positive, unified action to protect Maui for future generations.

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trying to evolve Maui’s free-speech station kak u 88.5 FM Kahului Maui the voice of Maui good morning it’s Monday at 11 a.m. I’m Jason Schwartz welcome to the neutral zone the neutral zone with me Jason Schwartz would like to thank Naoko motors maui car rentals for their support located at 181 dairy road across from the fire station in Kailua they’ve served the Maui community for more than 30 years with services in used cars and automobile rentals find them online at Maui car rentals net or at 877 3300 the

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neutral zone has heard Monday’s live at 11:00 a.m. and again on Saturdays at 7 a.m. on kak u 88.5 FM well that guy sounds a lot like me I don’t know how that happened oh I guess no Kauai motors just down the street here from our studios there at 181 dairy road I’ve known them for years I’ve in fact had a couple of cars that I bought from there and friends as well they’re nice people welcome to our show it’s Monday we are almost in December 2018 and I’m not comfortable with this habit yet but I

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will see I am here alone yeah we have a call-in number 8 7 3 3 4 3 5 if anyone’s out there and calls and they call a couple of times and don’t get me it’s because I didn’t see the flash of the phone but anyway um we had a guest scheduled this morning Councilwoman elect Tasha comma but she called this morning with a family emergency we hope everything is OK their appointment for someone in the family with the doctor well that takes priority but it just means that you have to call in and be

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part of our show 8 7 3 3 4 3 5 or listen to me or listen to music I kind of like the idea of listening to music I have ideas but when I’m sitting here alone I can tend to ramble and so I may talk about a few things but um this weekend I just went to see a show at the Maui Arts & Cultural Center it was a Maui choral arts did a piece on Earth concert it was beautiful I think there were 85 people you should go to the next one to the next one’s coming in the spring these guys get together it’s

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now been a few years running and they do beautiful choral singing it’s really something special you should check it out also this weekend that Mulligan’s there was a salute to friend Hendrix can you imagine Jimi Hendrix at 73 or 76 years old but I guess he’d be the same he might have silver hair he might be Silver Haze instead of purple but anyway um oh he had Purple Haze and Purple Reign well that was our friend Prince I say okay anyway Tasha comma was you’re supposed to be our guest and we were going to be

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talking about things that could be over the horizon and share ideas and programs that we think might be interesting we’ll do that in the future next week I’m gonna have Sam small as my guest Sam is the host of a show here on Maui called Maui causes here on ikkaku TV and also all over the net Sam is a very passionate and active guy in our community and I wanted his perspective on the election and also what’s coming up he’s I want to say a watchdog he’s just a very aware and concerned

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citizen I know there are many of you guys out there and of course you can call eight seven three three four three five and tell us what you’re concerned about and tell us what you think is important that we discuss and look at rather than just go into subjects I thought to start with some music today I have taken out of the archives a few things that I thought were interesting you know I’ve sung songs over the years and written songs over the years and I have a few friends here you probably

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know a lot of musicians but a couple of them have songs and here’s one I thought this one he didn’t write this song but I think it’s public domain so I’ll start it’s from lono you’ll hear what it is what’s that [Music] [Laughter] [Music] [Music] we all know that song and we think of it as the star-spangled banner’ becomes a call I think yeah let’s see if I can pick it up the true test let’s see [Music] hello well I didn’t alright are you there hello who’s this my name is Donny

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hi Donny how are you welcome to our show I’m doing really good but I’m really sad that Tosh is not gonna be there I’m calling while she was there uh-huh do you know her you have a question that you wanted to direct it to her yeah I’m actually really fond of her and that really happy that she is now our council member January 1st 2019 so my goal was calling was to make sure that you know all the audience is educated enough to know that next year is going to be the first time in the history of Maori and

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I’d like to have somebody do some research to find out how far back it goes that the candidates that are running to run our government have not been bought and paid for by the corporations well that’s it and they didn’t allow any campaign financing coming from any corporation let me ask you a question only cuz we’re here on radio and that’s an interesting thing that you say I don’t really think that I’m thinking of it that we don’t know whether bought and paid for I don’t know

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if people get money from corporations if they’re bought and paid for I think some of them say I’ve heard them say well I I can accept money from my campaign they think that I’m a better candidate and that I’ll give a decision better than my opponent and they sort of walk away from you so you think that if someone gets money that they’re necessarily going to sway their vote obviously it’s a sensitive subject okay it’s your question I don’t think there’s any doubt

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in my mind and I think that a lot of people are now getting more educated about the failures of not having campaign finance reform that should happen a long time ago where there’s limits put on corporations from puppeting the council or enough Council the the candidates that are actually running for office there’s no limit to the corporation spending as much money as they feel that they need to spend to have a candidate cooperate with them and so my thinking is exactly what you’re saying it is true

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and this is the first time that in existence of Malley that I’m aware of I’ve been here 20 years that I’ve been coming here since the 70s that they can all say to themselves that you can look at their own campaign finance records and see the thick that corporations have not donated to the 5 there are now the majority in the council well you know it’s interesting that you think that I think everybody knows that I don’t know doesn’t everybody I mean that if there was one thing that we learned this

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election season it was some of these guys had a lot of money coming from contributions and like you say it sure does seem that if money is received especially large money that when something’s coming up you’re gonna look doubly hard to see how you might support your supporter but I’m thinking we’re in a new age I’m hoping like you say we’re at the dawn of a council that is free of corporate input at least open I love your answer that’s a perfect answer and so we’ll see how it goes we’ll see how

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how long it goes and out mark goes it’s going to be interesting because as I look at things some of these issues that have been dealt with at the council level the biggest challenge I’ve had is no transparency when you see Mike White or Yuki or Hokama or any of these guys voting in a certain way and we think oh someone bought off their answer and then if you speak to them closely say well that’s because there was a problem in paragraph three and it was a really big issue I wonder why we aren’t more

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transparent and I hope that’s the biggest thing as I love you I love your thought I think the most important thing to remember that we are all deciding the fate of the future generations that will be coming after us and we don’t all start thinking about that thought of the future of these generations that are may coming after us then we’re failing to do better today to make it better for people in the future and we’re not speaking that way how old are you now I’m just curious

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turned 66 zero okay well I’m older than use as others but not much so I’m 60 where am I almost 68 in April okay in our lifetime you know I’m including you we have seen we were the hippies and then the dip ease and then the hippies and I know we’re now Skippy’s we’re at a point where the world has shifted and things are so different everyone’s got an opinion they stick it everywhere you look on Facebook you hear opinions everyone’s got opinions we don’t know who’s talking

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whether they’re just wildly stating it with nothing to back it up or whether they are and you know what I mean so it’s a strange time but we the one thing that we you can all agree on is our future is better if we stay involved I’m really glad that you called how did you happen to hear about the show by chance well I’ll give you a little theory of Donnie that I’m not gonna be my last name because I’m not doing this for my name recognition but um I’m actually you know I’m pretty smart I’ve been around

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the block I had a very famous cousin that allowed you and me to have the technology with computers to be able to do things different than the past generations before us because we didn’t have a technology my cousin max actually was the founder of Intel so he provided mmm Microsoft with a way to perform their software with hardware and I think that was just so eloquent that it was available to be done in my you know our lifetime and so I don’t think that we’re thinking back well you know how we correspond with each other

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how we could change the world before we have this technology because it was really difficult Mike you know you didn’t I I don’t mean to be cutting you up but um my concern with that in this technology race that we’re now in a lot of the things like it may seem a little funny but used to be in music before synthesizers I’m talking about all this technology jump now we can all communicate in the way you say and that’s better but I don’t know how many voices no matter how loud and no matter how many

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know what they’re talking about and we can see in national politics which I try to stay out of but I can talk about generally a lot of things are said that are just absolutely not true and they become gospel to a certain crowd that suddenly is very loud and it gets confusing you don’t know where you’re going with things I think that we I mean I don’t know how many people read books anymore I don’t know I kind of agree with your thoughts but I also you know I’ll bring tasha back into this equation

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i I’ve had lots of conversations with talks of comma and I don’t know how to say this more bluntly but we have we have a documentary that’s about to come out and it was shown at the Maui Film Festival and it was produced by of all people James Bond Pierce Brosnan and he made a documentary and I don’t know if you’ve heard about it or seen it or whatever but the name of the documentary is poisoning paradise and I really you know I look at brother is yeah I don’t know if you’re into the song in 78 if

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you’re heard that song but brother is absolutely what would they feel if they came back looking now you bet yes and so I look at having the chance to have an alica time which I’m very fond of by the way and you have etosha karma and to have a Kyani Rawlings and average you know Saints and Nancy and I look at these people like oh you know you guys are the future you guys are the ones that are finally going to be in charge of the destiny of our little island called Maui which includes Molokai which the past

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politicians have allowed the expansion of biotech and I think that is going to be if it isn’t already our biggest failure is the biggest and we all have to discuss because a corporation that just bought Monsanto if everybody wants it start doing some research on Bay buyer they call it be ye are who just bought Monsanto for sixty six billion dollars that you know I look at the Hawaiian people know that are coming up into offices that are representing the people’s voices and I’m saying you know

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what this is our only chance that we have well last year well you know although I agree with the words of what you’re I really do I feel very aligned with what you said the thing I’m concerned about and I hope you can appreciate this is that what we were speaking about in this way gets people afraid and in fact we’re now in a good position so I want to put it out I mean they’re afraid of what’s been happening and we are now in a time that I want to encourage even in our words that we all

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work together did you happen to be at the VFW a few days after the election on a Saturday night when they had a unity absolutely behind the scenes of this whole thing because I know the contact was done in other communities in the world you know I know how they left the devastation everywhere they’re gone I’m bringing this up specifically I mean I know and you know and you know it’s what do they say we’re preaching to the choir because that’s eventually sugimura and Alice Lee standing next to Tosha comma

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and and there was no girl not girl Ricky Hakala but it was a Ricky wasn’t there he was the only one that didn’t show up so it was a terrific thing you know and you we wonder so how does that look like on the next week or the next week I spoke to someone this morning for example that said I’ll he’s running there his own campaign to try to get resumes because one of his friends has been interviewed by our new coming mayor and he feels that the list of candidates that this guy the mayor is looking at

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isn’t broad enough and not finding qualified enough people that take certain things I asked him D how do you know about that was one of his friends was interviewed but I think somehow we that’s why maybe this showed yes we got a structure it in a way maybe it’s got to be longer with call ins with guests but I want transparency I want when these things are going on in Council to be able to talk about these things there’s no question what you say is right but the live conversation

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hopefully will get past the fear that’s created like when I heard the word Monsanto I invited them to the show and I talked PR people through letters the mini you say the word Monsanto I’m scared well and everybody should be scared because they’re using deadly poisons to grow food and if anybody doesn’t realize how wrong that is for our environment and our future of the generation is going to come after us they won’t get it well I mean let me give you an update okay and believe me

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I’m agreeing with you my view of Monsanto is not a great one okay okay just know I mean I’m sure you can imagine Here I am and you are as public and you started by saying how great it is because we’re on the dawn of a 5-4 thing where people aren’t getting money from corporations that valid point now here I am I thinking for example you know what my approach about Monsanto is and I knew you haven’t heard there’s something I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of h/h Oh some call it Browns

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gas if you ever heard of that hi about what you’re saying in our in our world there’s solid liquid gas and plasma so you heat solid you get liquid heat liquid you get gas you put electricity and gas you get plasma 99% of the universe is plasma fire is plasma well point is that’s hydrogen HHO in that plasma state that hydrogen in that plasma state is able to be sprayed on plants in water it’s water and it has micro bacteria going away it creates an environment where you don’t

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need pesticide Wow and they’ve also find that because the critters go away things grow better so it’s like there are natural solutions and that’s what this shows about this neutral zone will be introducing things to say let’s go at the most important thing you just mentioned it I know that too if you were to look at my website you’d get more data about this you I’m gonna have a guy that invented a machine that’s portable that can deliver this not only to us in our bodies over 170 diseases have been

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helped by this HHO and hydrogen you know the world knows that Japan knows it China knows at us is slow Monsanto I thought well how do we beat them we beat them by getting a natural solution this guy that created this is here on Maui so very interesting truth that you know I don’t know how without money I mean you just said it how was 66 billion they bought it for that’s unbelievable must be a lot of stock the largest cash transaction for u.s. corporation in US history which is how many years is that that’s ever

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happened in prison on money and no stock was traded this was a cast transaction and nobody’s talking about the failures of that part and so far was it there so easily what was that what did it have to be approved by anyone it went through the I forgot the the technical name of the us rights of allowing it to happen but I’m gonna change it a little bit a week I hey I know you haven’t mentioned too much about him but I feel like he has a great idea about adding to what you’re saying

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there’s a Korean national farming it’s a fermenting way of growing food from fermented food that is the cure I mean it’s it’s been proven the abundance of food that you can grow by by allowing the past growth of food – now ferment to be able to get all these non poisons non Hmong killing the environment products that can help farmers grow green we’ve now just in our little conversation there’s more than one solution we have to play we have to find a way to get people educated and somehow empower them

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because we I can know that you can know that Alika can know that he was even on council so what do we what does that do you know how do we put this in some way where we the public can somehow move forward on something and make a change and the government can help us them regulating isn’t going to stop but it’s gonna have to be us isn’t it well the problem that we have here in mouth is that you know I’ve been around since the 2014 law that we said to Monsanto stop producing GMOs in Maui County which

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includes Molokai which we can never forget largest employer on an island in Hawaii is Monsanto or bear on Molokai if you have a lion personalized family you have two choices either work for Monsanto or you have to move off the island again I are only stopping you because I really have to stop you only because what you say it may be true but that’s not the only truth I know people that are there that refuse to work for Monsanto and they’re struggling in fact I know someone homeless there but I also

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know others that aren’t homeless the farming community isn’t stuck there are things come and that’s why we’re talking about what you talked about and what I’m talking about we’re gonna jump to a commercial in about a minute so we’re but um I welcome speaking more to you both here on air I want to if you want to stay on we can I’m just thinking that the kind of things we’re talking about you put it up as a fact and I’m trying to get our public to say yes there are problems out

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there let me identify them and now let’s look at solutions that we can do that you didn’t see my name on the ballot is because I called al Perez from Maui tomorrow and I said al I want to run against Alan Arakawa and he said did you know Tasha is running and I met Tasha and we met and I decided after speaking with her that I didn’t want to create any difficulty or distance between us or confuse the public so I backed away commercial thing for a couple of minutes and then we can pick up you patient to

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hang on a minute yes radio on tuned in I’ve got to go to the commercial here in a second Cher Thank You Daniel I’m gonna put you on silent for a second a tornado Oh Donny excuse me okay the neutral zone with me Jason Schwartz that guy motors Maui car rentals for their support located at 181 dairy Road across from the fire station in khalili they’ve served the Maui community for more than 30 years with services and used cars and automobile rentals find them online at Maui car rentals net or at 877 3300 the

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neutral zone has heard Monday’s live at 11 a.m. and again on Saturdays at 7 a.m. on kak u 88.5 FM you so this is I’m Fletcher tow barge and I’m Tom Blackburn Rodriguez please join us on Monday night December 10th at the historic Yale theater for a free family-friendly one night only oh no Christmas celebration the Malians states program begins at 6:30 with doors opening at 6:15 and will consist of Christmas songs performed by 9 Madrigal a reading of Truman Capote’s a Christmas memory performed by Paul James Brown

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followed by rich Sneiderman with his outstanding presentation of the Dylan Thomas poem a child’s Christmas in Wales before the show the firms of the children’s Justice Center will be collecting unwrapped Christmas toys for older children who have been victims of abuse your unwrapped toy donations gratefully accepted but not required for admission to the Yale theatre a Monday night December 10th doors open 6:15 open seating no tickets or reservation required produced by the Maui Breakfast

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Club and Tom Blackburn Rodriguez & Associates [Music] what will it take to get humans back into space one man says he knows what ski and it’s a rock-solid argument so if we’re going to stay in space and thrive that then we need to live off the land and for that we will need resources such as water which is abundant in certain types of asteroids why orbiting rocks are important to both our future and our past on the next big picture science hi I’m back this is Jason Schwartz on the

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neutral zone I have Donnie on the line Donnie have we met thinking after the 2014 vote we were all cool were you there that I was yes yeah I think maybe that’s the time I met you mind I know your needs familiar though so did you stay to the end on that unity night there after the election no at the VFW oh yeah yeah I actually took pictures of everybody inside and I posted on my facebook so yeah did you see the guy singing the last song maybe you didn’t the little help from my friends with

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Louise Lambert and her crew up there I loved it the songs the music though the last singer that was me all right you know Kelly King said to me I didn’t know you could say that Shane said you’re the guy that can sing I have confused people on Maui a long time because you know I used to think that it was responsibility for technology that stopped me from going into the music business believe it or not in 1988 and I keep thinking you know it’s not too late maybe you need to be a celebrity to get someone to listen to

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you but these technologies and stuff you know that it’s very important I want to bring out the Khan accept and make it real that together after the election I don’t think of Alice Lee or Yuki Sugimori as anything other than part of a new and renewed effort to make things right what cautious or joyful to talk to because she really is convinced that you’re right on what you’re saying I’m sure we sat as I said we said before the election way before primaries I was going to run for mayor because I have

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concepts that are mayor not necessarily council you know maybe they all should work together because if we’re transparent who cares who’s sitting in a seat who cares who’s elected or not if we do this all openly we’re gonna find out then do the right thing I’m convinced to that that sounds like you’re convinced to that well I was granted the opportunity to work for the u.s. government guaranteed living in Hawaii for three years in the 70s and got guaranteed my job and three years of college paid for

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by the US government and that was the army and there’s no war and it was just a great time to be from 75 to 78 on Oahu and in in I lived in North Shore because I was paid separate housing allowance and separate ration so I was able to live the good life in the 70s at 17 and really appreciate the Hawaii that it was in the 70s that so many things have changed since then that I think it’s finally the time that people instead of the developers are now in charge of the destiny of our little island and I hope

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that we are still good stewards and stay involved because I think that the best of intentions can run a ground if the data they get is not there so there are people we have to learn from our past and that’s what you’re all hopefully also saying am i hearing oh yes you know we have to and not only that but I think that I always say we don’t want to throw away tradition and in the past that were right why not marry them with new technologies and create something better than ever I mean

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that’s the direction I want to see ah have you ever looked at the website for the Maui Arts and Music Association no I spoke to someone this morning I was talking to them about this HHO thing and they looked it up online they said my only aren’t send music association mama and people aligned in positive action papa is that you and I said yes it’s me since 1991 no surprise I had a 501c3 nonprofit with chartered plan to promote visual and healing arts and to educate people about renewable energy and environmental

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solutions so that we might create a self sustainability using Maui as a global example place and get people here I’m a little bit confused oh we got the Maui article two sandwiches the Mac and now you’re saying this is different Maui Arts and Cultural Center besides their philosophies their building and their for-profit building the Maui Arts and Music Association was created with a specific mission if you go to that website statement Erin it’s even their sound on it only reason I know is

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because that’s me you know it’s like if you don’t if you don’t have money you how do you get your voice out if you’re a candidate and you don’t have money how do you get your voice out so that’s why I say when we have these new people coming in fresh exciting are they being given enough information are they being openly given information so that they can make an intelligent decision or they didn’t have enough money to be able to do this in that and get the public to

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know I’ve been talking about this sephiroth 27 years well there’s two things that will save the destiny of mankind and one of them is love and the other one is music I think greatest leaders are our icons and music and the arts and movies we see all that going on but the ones that we can use that power of the money we can raise and the consciousness we can raise to create solutions so that we can do that solution here I’m hoping that this new environment on council and mayor I want to give a nod to Mike Victorino T to

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have him understand that he’s inclusive in this I hope that we can tie music bringing up that we at the VFW meeting how how they all showed up and I I know and you know deep down that there was a reason for them to all come to our meetings of the minds and say you know we want to be part of everybody’s you know future I really I really I really hope that um the we can we can make the changes that are needed by the but the collaboration that’s needed right now because if we don’t do it who else is

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gonna do it and so that’s why I’ve you know I’ve been behind the scenes of this whole thing knowing that this is the time I mean we have the momentum and the motivation I because of what we we see you know you’re a hundred percent right and you know what I hear in you and I I say this with full respect your private sector like me I believe we are the ones in the private sector to be able to make this happen if I have a non-profit and we can raise money and supplement development of important technologies

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that prove that these things that you’re talking about are solutions by by Monsanto as a choice here because we have the will but I don’t want to ask the government to legislate right specifically against something we want the public to be educated and really push these ideas out because they don’t make sense you’re right Molokai is a I want to say is has some of the worst health records on the planet or at least in the United States and Monsanto or buyer is right in the center of it for years yeah I mean

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that’s why I keep thinking we’re talking to the choir I think everybody knows it now you know no I don’t like saying that because so many people i educate now and they don’t know especially you know I mean I have a lot of situation a lot of tourists and a lot of smart articulate you know influential people come here to Maui and they have no clue so now here watch this Maui Arts and Music Association what if Steven Tyler Mick Fleetwood Willie K Willie Nelson Louise Lambert Gina Martinelli Vince Esquire

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I’m mentioning local people and national altogether music put on shows we raise money because we want to make things better secondly love your idea and it’s unbelievable that your ideas in my idea I actually met Mick Fleetwood one night and I had a conversation with him and he kind of you know this is this is you know his thought his thought was that he would love to do something to help us but he also wants other people like Steven Tyler and everybody else that that can help so it’s really it’s to me

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it was to me the biggest reason that I’m behind all this is because I want music to save our world like you do it sounds like yeah and and the camaraderie of enjoying our life together because our lives are you know are fleeting I mean we’re here for you know 80 years and we’re gone and if we can’t make this place better while we’re here why are we here I’m not you know you and I obviously thinking along the same line I many times I found that people that don’t agree with us what drives it is

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economics and sadly you know that that’s if you look at my website there maui arts and music associate of papa people aligned and positive action is not government it’s come up with an idea like we’re gonna do on this show and talk publicly get people like you and I together that are coming together because we see that we have common vision and we see there’s a matrix and we have this vision we put our money is what I’m hear from you we need to put our money where you’ll hear

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about me I actually wrote a check but I’m you know I’m not I’m not rich in any way since but I wrote a check in 2016 right and I said to Ali carrot I said you have three things if I’m gonna write you a check you have three things to accomplish you need to win you need to you know run for office you need to win and guess what else I said to him you need to pay me back and I think that is the investing that we all need to start doing and putting on mouth or money where our mouth is not happening here on

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this island I’m not doing rich articulate people that come here once a year and want to donate to our cause the reason is but now I don’t mean to go back to my thing why am I talking about promoting art music and culture these islands and educating people about environmental solutions to be a self sustainability model because I agree with you because I agree with you so you know we can talk to Mick Fleetwood again and we can talk to Willie Nelson and Kristofferson it’s like that’s what I

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want to is make public what we want to do so that people will come out of the woodwork and say I can talk to Willie let me let me get you in touch with them Oh Fleetwood you know I mean honestly I want to make it so the ideas we have our public if there’s a Maui news or paper like Maui Times or any of these they place and things there that they think are important but also what pays their bills and we’re show we’re hopefully in neutral zone we can talk about things and move them forward in a way that

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nobody else can do I hope to be able to get people interested in this idea of promoting our art and music and cultures of these islands well I like to see mr. Victorino the conversation I had with him really shed some light on some things that I was kind of concerned about and he kind of made me feel like there’s a chance so we’re gonna see you know with the council you know January first with the mayor and we’re gonna see clearly the direction that we all hope we can go and if we don’t start to see it clearly that

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we’re all in our minds we’re saying we’re going on the right Road the destination is clear and we’re all going down the right Road together I think we can really unbelievably make Maui County the best County in the United States of America one I feel it should already be well everything you just said I’m saying yes now listen to this extra piece and why why oh I want to talk to Kelley King and Victorino and Tasha and Shane’s to Nancy and Alice and Sue because if they give an endorsement say oh yes we like

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your idea Jason will be part of it now I go out and get sponsors I have a central yes that’s how the government can help us rights that I’ve been missing because I can’t get in to see alan arakawa about anything I remember when Kimo apana was mayor someone came to me and told me his story I loved they said they went to Kimo and they sit what about Jason Schwartz for that role and the response was we like we like Jason but he’s not a company man that means I don’t salute I’m not a

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lockstep here we are years later I need people like you to hear like this guy jason has some ideas look at the website check out what’s up get in touch with me because this effort will come together as people like you and I start aligning that’s why it’s called mama and papa people aligned in positive action can basically move an idea forward alica is no less powerful because he’s not on council he’s in the private sector he is now a public figure that has the power to do good there can be a lot of light

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shed on a lot of years that we’ve had since he was only there for two years but he was on the inside and I think he can really dissect the truth well you know he’s also really a gigantic gigantic force and that’s Trinette Furtado she really was I think the engine that kept all that stuff going on with Alika he really got the benefit of a tremendous staff no matter what was said of Brian bartolini he obviously delivered for Alika in a way that now in private sector hopefully again we have to talk on the how-to but

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when we get endorsements from stars to be involved then I can get sponsors then we could start programs because nothing happens without the fuel and say and we got to remember that here we are we want 20/20 vision in 2020 and 2019 but it’s time for us to see more clearly we’re taking and putting on the spectacles we should all be praising God that we have seen this shift in the council and in the mayor I know Mike I want to make Mike Victorino the best mayor that Maui has ever had you can definitely be that

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one in four years we look back and say wow we are proud of this guy because why would you ever think that anybody has a job for four years that you shouldn’t be proud of and you know especially when he was voted by the constituent well I’m I really believe that the private sector is where the action is going to be for example if you want to build housing if you talk to politicians now oh well we have two things in the works the North kiyokawa hina we got two hundred affordable units and their one hundred

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sixty-five affordable units they just broke ground and hallelujah and it’s gonna be 2020 we’re gonna have one hundred and sixty five and two hundred if they’re all affordable what are we talking about that’s nothing yeah I can find one hundred and sixty-five seniors right now that could fill that place add this to a four balls and we allowed with the people that were in charge of Maui to allow 600 homes in key to be built next door to Monsanto Chemical Springfield’s and that’s a four lousing

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so the way I look at it is how can we convince the people to know how how long that is I mean it’s almost like we’re living in a slave camp all we can do that’s why I say the private sector you know we talked about the dollars thing about we are private dollars going to this one or that one I don’t know any other way we’re not in you know I want to say we’re not Nazi Germany sorry mr. Trump we’ll stop it but I really think that we can solve it in the private sector with our dollars and putting

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together what if I wanted to go to Goodfellow and say look you have a bank what about we know that you’re gonna get the job to do the land moving what if we can create projects with where you’ll be partner in this and so you’ll participate they already have a bank they can show these projects to be financially sensible we can also get involved Builders conglomeration of them we can start doing things in a different way and I just um believer that when we do that then the government says we want

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to help you here’s what we’re going to do to help your we don’t start feeding on local population we’re gonna everybody in here and that’s another failure well you know when people go to Costco that’s where you talk to tourists they go to Costco and the shelves are empty why because there was a fire in California food independence is so critical we’re not out to your radio people that are listening right now and this is such a failure that has happened that that nobody really knows clearly

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that this is the problem and that we need to address it immediately and that is the sustainability of our islands well you know I’m talking about it for that’s what I’m talking about if we go okay well what we have is we’ve had an a and being Alexander and Baldwin that has run amok they’ve grown a mono crop for how many years not 20 30 40 60 years a hundred and forty five years they’ve grown a mono crop on Maui so that is the most important thing that I think I want to address right now on

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this conversation is that dad so the mono cropping is where our failure is I’ve spoken to a lot of employees that have worked for a and B over the years a lot of families you me and I have so the question I go why didn’t you even be ever allow you as employees of the corporation to have plots of land that you can now start to grow food to make a sustainable and you know what their answer was every time there’s a company meeting that we went to we would bring that up we were address it and they

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would say yeah we’re gonna do it in the future they never have allowed it I mean let me show you when I got here in 88 I went to a meeting soon thereafter Richard Cameron was the head of HC&S not the Richard Cameron that we know from Kappa Lowell and a different Richard Cameron did you and it we brought up that was brought up that 5,000 acres of land could grow enough food to take care of all the people of Maui why aren’t you doing it and he said because doesn’t make economic sense I like to factor in

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though what’s it gonna cost if we don’t think that’s the big issue I think well I want to answer your question blatantly and the reason that ambi would never allow people to grow the food to be sustainable you’re on Maui is and everybody doesn’t know this and I hope that everybody’s listening we’ll get a clue that this is our failure and we’ve allowed it I’d say old Matson shipping company notice I made that so here we go again no matter what we say we’re not going in

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and saying okay let’s break up the old gang we don’t have any money and power to do that but we do have power in our spending and purchasing power I don’t mean to keep saying you’re educating our public but it’s it’s to me I don’t really want to get to a point where we have people angry but not feeling empowered so I’m trying to get past that stuff well I think that’s what I’m trying to do and empowering them is with education and so the mayor is that we allow the role model co-op give

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people jobs but we didn’t allow them to ever grow food to be sustainable because they owned the shifts that would bring the food that they would make a profit all the way for the mainland you know and that is partly to the point that is the truth yeah so and I agree I mean from what I know HC&S a and B mats and all the same deal and how it’s going it two separate deals here we are now so I say we have a fresh new year coming we have a fresh new council coming you’ve now heard my idea which is an old idea

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but it’s now and so we can do things in the private sector that’s why I’m saying it this way I want all our listeners you included but maybe as one of the leaders in getting people to see this stuff we have to align in positive action because the result is a self-sustainable Maui that we live in my idea is to do this on Molokai I think that we need a Kulak Park on Molokai I have and then I’m stopping you I have to stop you because you know that’s the kind of thing we can have discussion in another venue but if

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you go to Molokai and you say that and you’re not from Molokai the first thing you’re going to hear and maybe the second third and fourth is who the heck are you get out of here haole leave us we want to you know be like Jionni I’m definitely behind walter ritty I’m definitely Molokai to me is my biggest sore but if we can make Molokai healed and grow the food they can become sustainable on their island then we can learn from it he said we don’t do this Behar’s can expand on our Island Maui

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and we’re going to be another Molokai we’re the largest employer is bare and everybody loves and respects them because they have a job and they have income and we’re forgetting about the failures of allowing a corporation to run amuck by giving people jobs for no other reason than giving them a job and that’s the reality of a and B so I did research this recently there’s a Grove farm if you rid of them on Kauai no again I am when I’m looking at the clock I keep really you’re talking about

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subjects that we really need more time it’s not that we I want to thank you I want to please do respond either on the Facebook page or something because I think we should stay in touch together I’ll be calling you back magazine I want you to see this free so that you guys get on the story and talk to Donnie you know there are lots of stories that can be out there in the press and there’s lots of things we can do but I’m still a strong believer and what I said I want to get the county to

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endorse this idea and let me go and get sponsors with them being clear and what we’re doing and get people aware music and art can be telling the world about our thing here people can buy music and art from all around the world and support this and when they come to Maui they’ll see more places there’s music they’ll be away we need a we need a way to add the Hawaiian influence well that’s not really important no question again if you read that website look at the bottom of the first page and you see

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my link to my friend lo no we agree there’s no question there’s a lot if we don’t honor our host culture then we’re making a mistake it may be the Kingdom of Hawaii before we blink twice but our ideas make sense no matter if it’s the kingdom of ye the United States cuz good and powerful things to help people is what we are about I’m very glad you called I don’t mean to cut you off I’ll ramble a lot but you can hear I’m constantly trying to go back to unity I if I were

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gonna go to Monsanto I would go to Monsanto and show them what’s up and then again there’s a controversial thing money is not doesn’t have a name on it if we can get money and publicly get it and use it to do good powerful positive self-sustaining things so it’ll be good PR for Monsanto but we’ll be living and showing the world what they can do you know if someone wants to make money let them make money but do it our way why can’t we use money to create good things and that’s all I’m saying

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and that’s private sector there’s not enough money in the government well look at we’ll look what’s in front of us in 2019 I mean if we all stick together and publicly come out and put our anger aside and talk on things like humans like we did on that unity night the show is gonna end soon so I’m gonna have to let you go Don okay let’s think I gave you a lot of time today but it was a good time I’m glad that you had an opportunity it’s been a pleasure and I’ll end this with there’s not another

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Maui we have a good friend Aloha Aloha well everyone the neutral zone is over it has been a pleasure to be here with you please come next week and join us again next week we have Sam small and Sam’s going to be here and we’re gonna look at what’s going on the neutral zone konnichiwa I’m arrhythmia sweets I’m mad angst post