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Jason Schwartz with JIM LOOMIS # 2- Jim Loomis (from Show # 45) again joins Jason for conversation. “Tales and Flukes of Life in the Trees: Fractal One: Saving the Cosmos Til Tuesday” . is Jim’s recent book. Loomis was the chosen Winner of the FIRST Maui Writers Conference in 1994. Stories of his life pre- Maui and his humankind …7-1-2019

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1. 1. 1. Interview with Jim Loomis on The Neutral Zone – July 2019

[00:01 → 10:38] Introduction and Early Life Experiences with Nature and Marine Life

1. [00:01] The show opens with host Jason Schwartz welcoming listeners and introducing Jim Loomis, a widely respected figure known for his deep connection to nature, marine life, and environmental activism.
2. Jim Loomis is described as down-to-earth and legendary, with a remarkable career both formally and informally developed. His recent book, Saving the Cosmos Till Tuesday, reflects his ongoing commitment to ecological and cosmic awareness.
3. [02:23] Loomis shares his early life in Long Beach, California, where he engaged in deep-sea diving, salvaging anchors lost in storms, and diving to depths of over 200 feet. This physically demanding lifestyle shaped his connection to the ocean and nature.
4. [04:58] His fascination with dolphins began near SeaWorld’s Palos Verdes “glass church,” where he encountered dolphins mimicking human speech, which seemed almost unbelievable and sparked a lifetime interest.
5. He met dolphin trainer Chuck Loomis and later became inspired by John C. Lilly, a pioneer in dolphin communication research.

[06:36] Jim recounts observing dolphins interacting playfully in Catalina Bay, noting their seemingly social and curious behavior, although he did not literally hear them speak human language.

[08:12] Jim and John Lilly shared an interesting coincidence involving their initials (JCL), which they used symbolically to deepen their connection.

[09:02] Jim emphasizes the rarity and importance of interspecies communication, especially with dolphins, the only sea creatures known to seek human interaction rather than flee.

The discussion touches on the evolutionary fact that dolphins and whales are “cousins” that returned to the sea after evolving from land creatures.

[10:38] Loomis reflects on his writings and books, including his 1994 Maui writers contest-winning non-fiction book Strange Fluke, chronicling his efforts to “save the world by Tuesday,” underscoring the urgency of environmental action.

[10:38 → 19:31] Environmental Concerns, Population Growth, and Early Technology Career

[10:38] Jim and Jason discuss the ongoing global challenges such as overpopulation and environmental degradation, referencing the 1980s’ prophetic warnings by futurists like Alvin Toffler.

Jim recalls his 1994 Green Party mayoral candidacy for Maui, promoting sustainable living, art, culture, and environmental education to create a model island community.

[13:46] Loomis explains his decision to move to Hawaii, motivated by a desire to live as an outsider committed to making a meaningful difference rather than simply earning money.

[14:38] He recounts attending pioneering AI conferences with luminaries such as Buckminster Fuller, Merrill Flood, and Dryad Oppenheimer, linking his interests in art, science, and cosmic stewardship.

[16:08] With Buckminster Fuller, Jim discussed cosmic costs associated with energy, envisioning himself as a “cosmic guardian trillionaire” dedicated to responsible progress.

[17:45] Jim’s academic background includes a BS in math and early programming experience at North American Aviation, where he developed a system to allow deletion of erroneous programs—a precursor in software flexibility.

[19:31] He earned the first master’s degree in math at Long Beach State College, where a poem titled “Paradox” by Clarence Wiley deeply influenced his understanding of abstract mathematics and the limitations of certainty.

[19:31 → 26:57] Philosophy, Alternative Lifestyles, and Community Building

• [19:31] Jim reflects on the philosophical paradox of truth and certainty, highlighting the abstraction and complexity of advanced mathematics and its relation to broader existential questions.
• [23:18] Rather than retreating from society, Jim embraced an active role in promoting progressive and alternative lifestyles, exemplified by his community-building efforts.
• [24:10] He describes establishing a unique homestead on Maui, growing a Bodhi tree and building a house integrated with nature, symbolizing sustainable living and harmony with the environment.
• [25:31] Despite county bureaucracy pushing back against such alternative living, Jim’s efforts reflect early examples of countercultural sustainability.
• [26:15] The discussion laments the increasing commercialization and development of previously wild spaces on Maui, contrasting with earlier days of openness and community spirit.
• [26:57] The segment concludes with host Jason Schwartz thanking sponsors and highlighting community opportunities such as radio workshops and public service announcements for nonprofit causes.

1. 1. 1. 1. [27:37 → 35:47] Community Memories, Art, and Environmental Stewardship

• [29:43] Returning from a break, Jim and Jason discuss Jim’s land on Molokai’s remote Pelican Valley, a pristine environment that still retains natural beauty and cultural significance.
• [31:14] Jim shares a gift from John Severson, founder of Surfer magazine, who painted a depiction of Jim’s treehouse home, symbolizing a peaceful, sustainable future free of materialism.
• [33:29] The legacy of Hawaiian sustainable living is praised as an example for modern environmental stewardship, emphasizing traditional harmony with nature.
• [35:03] Jim recalls community projects such as building a water tank through collective effort, highlighting the strong, loving spirit of the New Age community on Maui.
• [36:52] He also shares his experiences with a Nature Boy community near Palm Springs, where music, nature, and alternative lifestyles blended, influencing his worldview.
• [37:40] The conversation turns to human nature’s violent origins, tracing behavior back to chimpanzee ancestors and noting the challenges of evolving toward peaceful governance.
• [39:24] Jim contrasts chimpanzee male-dominated societies with the more peaceful, matriarchal bonobo communities, positing that adopting “grandmother governance” (Gigi) could guide humanity toward cooperation.

[40:07 → 49:59] Environmental Crisis, the UN’s Role, and Hope for the Future

• [40:07] Jim laments humanity’s ongoing destruction of biodiversity, noting the UN’s repeated warnings about species extinction and environmental collapse.
• [41:00] The Paris Accords and UN reports are cited, emphasizing that current efforts are insufficient to meet climate goals, underscoring urgency for global change.
• [41:44] Jason and Jim discuss their shared vision of promoting art, culture, and cooperation as tools for environmental and social transformation, using remote island communities as models.
• [42:26] An inspiring example is shared about Paolo Lugari’s Gaviotas community in Colombia, which transformed barren land into a thriving rainforest through ecological restoration—a model for sustainable development.
• [43:07] Despite recognition by the UN decades ago, global progress remains slow, raising questions about what it will take to achieve meaningful change.
• [43:50] Both agree that hope remains, especially in emerging sustainable technologies such as floating gardens and ocean-based solutions.
• [44:41] Jim recounts his early visits to Kauai’s Taylor Camp and founding a community on Maui’s Loomis Road, emphasizing collaborative efforts like collective water infrastructure projects.
• [45:47] The community spirit is described as loving and cooperative, with Jim as a recognized leader who helped pioneer the New Age movement on Maui.
• [47:03] Reflections on Maui’s natural beauty and the importance of preserving it highlight the contrast with mainland environmental degradation.
• [48:36] Jim and Jason discuss the value of small-scale, sustainable media production as a metaphor for broader self-sufficiency and environmental responsibility.
• [49:16] They conclude this segment by acknowledging the critical role young people play in shaping the future, emphasizing education and empowerment as keys to lasting change.
• [49:59] Concerns about political and economic forces prioritizing profit over ecological and ethical considerations are raised, reinforcing the need for genuine caring and connection.

1. 1. 1. 1. [50:52 → 56:22] Spiritual Connection, Current Projects, and Closing Thoughts

• [50:52] Jim recommends a lecture by Tom Qi that eloquently explains the interconnectedness of heart, breath, and brain, resonating deeply with Jim’s worldview of holistic connection.
• [52:31] Jim remains actively involved in projects aimed at uniting species and promoting global awareness, including his Uniting Species website.
• [53:34] He recounts an ambitious 1990s project to create an underwater parade featuring synchronized swimmers representing all nations and species, aimed at fostering unity and peace.
• [55:43] After winning a contest for the underwater parade concept, he was selected to help stage a world-record event symbolizing global cooperation and hope for the new millennium.
• [56:22] The interview closes with Jason thanking Jim for his wisdom and contributions, expressing hope for future conversations and ongoing inspiration.

Key Insights and Themes

• Deep Connection to Nature: Jim Loomis’s life reflects a profound relationship with the ocean, marine mammals, and sustainable living, blending scientific curiosity with spiritual respect.
• Environmental Urgency: The discussion highlights the accelerating environmental crisis, with population growth, biodiversity loss, and climate change underscored as critical challenges.
• Alternative Lifestyles & Community: Jim’s experience building intentional communities on Maui and elsewhere illustrates practical models for sustainable, cooperative living.
• Human Nature and Governance: The comparison between chimpanzee violence and bonobo matriarchy offers insight into potential paths for evolving human society toward peace and cooperation.
• Hope and Action: Despite daunting challenges, Loomis and Schwartz emphasize the power of education, youth leadership, community, and innovative ecological solutions as sources of hope.
• Inter-species Communication: Jim’s fascination with dolphin communication symbolizes a broader quest for empathy and connection across species boundaries.
• Integration of Science, Art, and Spirituality: The conversation bridges high-level mathematical abstraction, AI, cosmic vision, and heartfelt ecological activism, showing a multidisciplinary approach to understanding and saving the world.

1. 1. 1. Conclusion

This interview with Jim Loomis on The Neutral Zone offers a rich tapestry of personal narrative, ecological wisdom, and visionary thinking. Loomis’s lifelong commitment to nature, sustainability, and creative community-building provides valuable lessons and inspiration for addressing today’s complex environmental and social challenges. The conversation underscores the urgency of acting now, the importance of embracing alternative ways of living, and the hopeful role of education and youth in shaping a sustainable future for Maui, the planet, and beyond.

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good morning everyone it’s 11 o’clock it’s the neutral zone welcome to our show july 2019 no amazing [Music] and our his hand [Music] please meet you good morning everyone Aloha this is Jason Schwartz it’s July 1st 2019 and I have a very special guest you know when you have a guest you just love them and you realize you didn’t have enough I could not stay away I invited Jim Loomis back to our show Jim welcome back to our show Jim Loomis is a legend to many but he is a real down-to-earth

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guy his book the most recent book entitled what’s the title saving the cosmos till Tuesday saving the cosmos till Tuesday that means we’re gonna have to pick it up all of us and Jim has an incredible life and has had an incredible career both informal career and informal self-developed career as I guess I just was outside with our old film Commissioner Harry donenfeld who is now taking I want to call it an underwater motorcycle well I guess it’s really interesting but swimming with the dolphins and the

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whales you’ve been doing that for years and I like to think that all the things that we now know and love and enjoy you were there right at the beginning at the cutting edge I was looking at a text I want to say banter between you and I from this past few days and just seeing the way you reach Jim jump in and then he’ll cut me off it because I know I could just keep talking about you Jim Loomis is fantastic and how long have you been a fantastic guy as long as you can remember huh I think I was super lucky to be living in

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Long Beach California right when when a number one hit parade sound came out 26 miles across the

sea Santa Catalina is waiting for me Santa Catalina Island of romance roll OH so why not roll over there and become a nature boy that at that time could salvage our anchors that had been lost in storms and breathe kupah could dive 208 feet Wow yeah you were and you looked like I was gonna say Tarzan but more like Steve Reeves you really were and still are but you are really built like a Superman yes I know what you mean

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I I found that my body was would respond to my thought land yeah and I could and I could flex and have my muscles respond by growing Wow yeah because I mean in your book you have pictures that display different places in your life and each one is more amazing than the last yeah so you were rowing back and forth between Long Beach and Catalina yes I’m picking up anchors and doing deep-sea diving yes and how did you get involved with dolphins and whales where did that come that there yeah I think that remember the

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palos verdes little glass church I sure yeah no it’s about a half a mile away from mercy SeaWorld yes and I went to dad to church and then I went to SeaWorld and they had an exhibit there where you have dolphins speaking like humans and I didn’t believe in so I just ran downstairs to see if this is a put-up job or is this real can dolphins really into imitate human voices and I met the ear trainer his name was Chuck Loomis Loomis like mine and I thought oh maybe this is going to be a lifetime

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thing because I think that if if man could speak with another animal that it would change man’s nature very much like another of your compatriots at the time I don’t know where you met him was John Lee Lee did you meet John Lily way back then yes when I when I got into the Dolphins which was your walk when you’re going to Catalina Island and there are and every day there was a school of torture co-ops that would come through the bay leaping and having a great time and I happened to be there when the win the last time

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America was sponsoring an international spearfishing contest because they were realizing that they were work wiping out all the old-timers everywhere that they went so I was there when there were other people from around the world diving in a hundred feet like like me and I saw the Dolphins respond in a way I’ve never seen before they just coasted and looked and I thought okay then I’m gonna remember this this is gonna be part of my life and and they they would often just join me and find spiral

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upwards like with the the seals they also would do the same did they speak human did you hear them speaking like you know no I haven’t had that experience so they were just expressing it in the Z world that that’s what they were yeah III don’t know what the reality of that was it it did get me on that data and then I started up hearing in John Lilly’s books and we had a realization that were both jay-z elves and that if you assign a number to those letters a is 1 B is 2 and C is 3 and so forth that and and you

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multiply them you you get 360 which was kind of just like them all the homeless John yes Lily and you were James Cook Lumis yeah so we had that JCL thing going and and I was always interested in in creating a a font that dot that we could start communicating with the Dolphins and I’m in his book called the possibility of communicating with other species and I felt like then man is lonely and that if we could just speak with another creature especially the only creature that seeks us out to play

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on the other creatures run away when they see a human we heard a story this morning that was an eye-opener yes right yeah about Harry talking about his experience where say car a blood of the manta ray yeah that’s that look him in the eye look I’m in ours yeah that’s that’s what you find yourself doing with the with the dolphins and the whales that they look right back at you and and they are there were discovering now that they are are called cousins that went back to the sea having been a la land creature earlier

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oh they went back to the sea from the land yeah yeah so so when you were writing this book and you would explain the last time that you had a health challenge and your family said look at all these incredible writings we’re gonna have to yeah there’s some of these up so this is book one I’m sure there’s gonna be a book two at some point possibly yes yeah yes I did I wonder Maui writers contest with a book on in 19 1994 called um strange fluke and his address is it a fiction or nonfiction that’s non fiction it’s just

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following me around the world as I tried to save the world by Tuesday yeah till Tuesday yeah not by Tuesday I think it’s a constant saving isn’t that it’s not anything until we all kind of get it yeah yeah well just like the front page of the Maui News this morning talked about the UN saying we’re not going fast enough for the Paris Accords and and the book came out and 80 was called let’s see oh well right now oh it was in 1980 it was about over popular the ovulation bomb yeah our future shock all these come in

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you know which one it might have been yes but they were all for telling what’s gonna happen yeah one in two generations more with the exploding population and yes and become we heard it but didn’t that what what’s that from oh I didn’t quite get when we we all read about what is over the horizon future visionaries yeah like you but these guys were like Toffler you know them talking about what’s happening in our world and where it’s going and before we get to that precipice of challenge that we can do a

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and B and C you know and progress in a responsible holistic save the world kind of scenario yum that hasn’t been the general rule has it but sure hasn’t been yeah we we we get very comfortable with our lifestyles and there’s hard to imagine people going going back you mentioned 1994 the reason that one just jumped in my brain in 1994 I was the Green Party candidate for mayor of Maui Toria I was and I thought isn’t that interesting when I was always then talking about promoting art and music

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and culture and educating people about environmental solutions and have maui be a model for the world of the most remote landmass yes self-sustainable yes and somehow instead of going this right way they went the left way you know now they’re crying about overpopulation over capacity and again this imbalance that happens from money and self and selfish interests yes but you didn’t go that way did you what made you suddenly decide I’m gonna I’m gonna go to Hawaii what was that well I

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think that when that book came out in 256 I think called the outsider by Colin Wilson I I could see that the world was was going downhill really fast at that time and I thought that I would be an outsider and and see design you could see that it’s easy to make a living and it’s easy to make money but it might be much harder to make a difference and so I chose that path to to remain free so when so if anybody needed help saving an animal I’d be ready to just put on my hat or my shoes and go what were you

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doing before that I mean when we speak and you tell me about some of these things like an artificial intelligence conference that you were at with I want to say though who’s who of world renowned people yes you were mentioning and your email I mean the names were jumping off to me I’m thinking my goodness did he say that yes he did Michigan I’m AI think if I got it the three M’s Michigan Milan and Moscow I was at Ann Arbor and the Michigan Mental Health Research Institute in conflict

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resolution with the United nation’s top floor research assistant and Merrill flood and Dryad Oppenheimer and Buckminster Fuller that’s at an interesting group I know yeah I know and what were you doing there what was the vision well with the button Buckminster Fuller I was he came to the long Long Beach City State College for two weeks in the art department and and we became close friends and during that time I promised him he had he had made the claims that in terms of cosmic cosmic costing that the price of a gallon of

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gas in terms of the pressure and pressure and temperature and time would be a million dollars and I stole them I was going to write write a book that’s gonna drop out a thousand people that are not going to spend that are not going to buy a thousand gallons of gas so that million times a thousand times in thousand would make me a cosmic guardian trillionaire and that’s that was my pain that I felt that that’s what I’d be doing and with all this advanced yes vision that you had that a Bucky

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fuller might have yeah and where where was the ball dropped what do you think you saw I mean people were listening to all this research and hearing about new ways to build things with a dome from Bucky or yeah you were talking about an artificial intelligence what were you searching for creation of human intelligence or to talk with other what was the reason that all happened young yeah so silicon came along and and I took the first course in programming at Long Beach State College and during that time I realized that we are carbon

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robots and every living thing is and I didn’t think that humans could handle that realization feeling that their free will was was genuinely free and so I am I am after I graduated with my BS in math I got picked up immediately by North American Aviation and to be a six systems programmer and I and I did that for a while wrote a program call of all things that delete so that if if they were running a tape with ten problems on it it submitted by different area aeronautical engineers and so forth that

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I all of a sudden there would be about ten of them in the in a batch but if somebody realized that they had made an error and they’d like to not have a and be charged for it they didn’t have a way to get rid of that program and so I I wrote that program delete us all so they could but done and and then I was a offered a job in robotics there are two and these are way back when these are the news Bills of Sciences yeah new new Sciences ninth nineteen fifty 58 and so they asked me to come back and teach in

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the math department and and and go for the first master’s in math that they had that they were going to give and so I did that and during that time you you do feel like when you have a BS in math you feel like you can solve any problem that you can be asked about but continue but then you go into the master’s program and for the advanced calculus book on masters there was a um there was a poem written by the the offer of the book was Clarence Wiley and he called it paradox and this kind of scene changed my life

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and then deepen my understanding of what math was and Ann Annis is called paradox and it opens with these two these few words not truth nor certainty these I for swore in my and novitiate as the young men called to Holy Orders Abdul the world if then this only I assert and my successes orbit pretty chains linking twin doubts for it is vain to ask if what i postulate be justified or what I prove possess the stamp of fact yet bridges stand and men no longer crawl in two dimensions and such triumph stem in

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no small measure from the power this game played with the thrice attenuated shades of things has over their originals how frail the wand yet how profound the spell and that’s pretty much what care of the characterized the master’s program is now you know how to solve anything involving numbers well we’re living numbers before behind and we’re going to higher reasoning that is shockingly abstract how does that or how can that be related by the average person I mean what you just stated

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eloquently I’m a man have some words in there like abs or I thought what ya abjure like when you when you give some something up like how like young men giving up the world if they’re going to be a spiritual person in terms of a normal idea of spirituality like you said your outsider and all coming at you at the same time and you were kind of looking at what was going on and comparing what is to would be and you know theoretical and seeing you know a different path yes so you really didn’t give up you

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came out to be participated in the helping part in the example of what could be yeah that’s how I think of you yeah yeah and I saw that you had a Brian and Bill and Brian and Billy yeah uh-huh and Rico came out and I think I said it last show it’s like you formed the the basics of a community that was just sort of opening the doors in the New Age in America and were sort of and a great living example of someone who’s living an alternative to mainstream lifestyle but fully living in just what what

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really that I mean I can’t even imagine it was like you and you found that piece of land out there and you I love your story about that you grew this tree and then you built your house in it and it looked like a boat he created it probably to be that way yeah and it was a Bodhi tree the Bodhi tree that was a fantastic place yes yes so the county came in and said up is that what happened you know yep yeah there came by the county came in didn’t look like them I’m living up in a tree and you grew

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that tree right yeah and you put things in the tree but they didn’t like that somehow it was very self-sustaining and we are cheering yelling for place yes and then that the whole property out there and all of whale oh when we look at it now we look at it and we think oh my goodness there were so many open spaces now they’re all filled in with these different kinds of there’s still some alternative living out there but there sure seems to be a lot of gentleman and gentlewoman estates and

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and a very different world has kind of money has come in and said oh I like that I like that I like that and when I was out in Willow in the early mid 90s I guess about what I was meeting you in the 90s there do you know I it was really open space and I thought this is a place that will never fill in you know it’s like the world is never gonna take this beautiful remote area and start filling it in like the mainland or like even like a Louie and Wailuku but somehow it has and that yes you you run

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from bureaucracy but it in beautiful places like this they are catch out and where you could build a very nice little house for yourself they they’re much more interested in you building a million-dollar place for the for the taxes that they can live let me and so on went up soon I’m just looking at the clock okay I’m here with Jim Loomis and we are here on the neutral zone we’re gonna take a break for our sponsors and then we’re gonna come back okay that sound good to you Jim so sounds great

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fun I was looking at this this picture that you were holding up here Jim now let’s show it to the camera see if we close this dude that did that one that well John Severson John Severson created Surfer magazine and he did the great early surf films that all the kids around the world fell in love with and we took his Boston Whaler over to my land in Pelican valleys on the north shore of Molokai and and it’s a very unusual place very beautiful baby and Bella Kuno it just happens to be one place I know I’ve told

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ya my ex-wife was talking about a lady that was trying to get her kids to come out and and be there on the land but they didn’t want to be there because it was so remote a with and she flew me through with a drone into Pelican Valley and then down to the water oh really yeah so you had a house there nothing like this this was a known that looks more like a Bodhi tree yeah there’s god I look and like a Bodhi tree huh as a tree this was when I when we got back from telugu knew John had painted this and it took him two days

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and he gave it to me so this is an original of a John Severson and I think it’s it’s very very much like John Lennon’s the thing of imagine no religious imagine no posessions imagine no countries no none of those things are showing there so I think it’s kind of gonna be a when that’s not like a review your first book there yes yes yes so I think it’s gonna be a little ray full of flag of the future where is yeah is that you a representation from yes that’s is a cartoon character of of me and how

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how’s that for a beautiful little and really is beautiful little lady yeah it should be nice to come back to as long as you’ve got a pink butterfly in one hand and a bunch of red flowers in the other come on something like jihad that is really beautiful well yeah I remember seeing on the cover of the book and remembering just how memorable it is so that’s now I’m seeing it it really stands by itself that’s terrific yeah John got his a master’s in Mayan art from the same University I was that

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we didn’t know each other there but we came to know one another in 1970 and Dan he was he was my best friend all those years and unfortunately has died but his left things like like this Wow better inspiring I think that this is probably how the Hawaiians were able to live without losing anything having a sustainable lifestyle for our thousand years and we have not and so this we have followed in their footsteps you have I mean I really am when I first remember coming out to weigh low there and seeing a property I

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don’t know what year was but I remember it clearly because probably 93 92 maybe I came out there and when was then one years old that’s what it was oh it was all perfect yes he’s just about to recreate that scene when he was I was like 93 oh except like that yeah something like that I came out and it’s the first time I took a camera out from a cocoon he’ll be here uh-huh and my first thing I remember that I videotaped was you holding out a bowl of star fruit to welcome me and in

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the opening credits of our TV show that we had for 20 years mama presents you presenting and it was always a really great memory and a lot of people have asked who is that guy yeah this is that guy Juno Loomis yeah well you know I’ve had so many there was a water tank that we I saw you guys put together i videotaped as a show here oh you’ll think of a water tank yeah sure that was a fantastic community experience yes our community out there always felt like it was a community it did things together it was very loving I

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think of you as the leader of the pack yeah I can I could see that build the old guy that fell in love in nature I was I was very fortunate and now I had a friend that would go out to a Nature Boy Carla colony that surrounded Palm Springs and and the guy the road Nature Boy would always be there they’d eaten all bears and he he he had a uke and he said he showed me how to play and so I became a Nature Boy just watching being around this group of really unusual guys and so I kind of saying that all around

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the world where wherever I was going I’m kind of rewarding reminding people that done nature is good is wonderful and how does that market with all the other but I think about the mathematics and I think about your explorations into all that I’m always coming to that point of wondering why people haven’t embraced that forward progressive thinking but what do you think it is do you have any reason or understanding of what’s going on with already humans well I think we’re all where you come from violence

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chimpanzees and that got Howard hunt in packs and and and when they when they divided up it was because you have to enlarge your hunting territory be they are they are equally willing to kill their neighbor of just a few days ago before you broke up into a different pack and so so we have we were a violent ape the males are and most of my thinking goes towards trying to get us into grandmother governance but I called Gigi and I’m trying to make that happen so as that go along with the women’s

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movement does that be part of that whole thinking process I remember when you were studying the bonobos yeah oh yeah I think you can mention something about that and how that was a different kind of culture yeah I think the the bonobos are on one side of those sorry River in Africa an era of a chimpanzees are they’re just a different era there are third a different kind of ape okay of one of the great apes and and they’re vegetarians and her matron matriarchal and we aren’t and that society is it was

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it seen to be flourishing in a very different way yes and but we’re but we’re getting rid of pretty much all the forms of love life everything is is going down under our command because people are out there shooting what they know what they won what they need for their possible transition I mean we we hear people talking about it or if they understand it or appreciate it the depth of what you’re putting out that you’ve seen successful matriarchal communities that are just radically different yeah

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and and we were doing about pretty good what were those early books were suggesting that we probably shouldn’t be going back two billion people on earth without wiping out the other species we have and were on the way to eliminating another millions as in the UN and it’s just heartbreaking heartbreaking to see that while we’re delivering to our grandchildren does the UN talk about any changes that they’re helping bring about to change that to make it better you know well this front page with my news

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today had to do had the had the man from the Paris Accords saying we’re not gonna make it at this rate and that came through the UN that world um we’re not going to make unless we change something and so this is our the last generation that can change things and this is why we’re seeing now I mean uproar in a lot of areas well I think it’s people like you and me I’m putting two myself in the boat here talking the same thing because I’ve been always talking about this cooperation in

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a way of promoting art and music and culture you know and being able to show by active examples how to cooperate on a remote island same idea you know and to me is like how do we show it you have you do you have a any community that you can spot that that you would use as an example I know I had there was a gentleman I’d say he was on my show we did a show and I think it was 96 with Paolo lugar II who started a community in Colombia South America called Gaviota Oh was in the middle of the barren

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rainforest like a barren plain next to a rainforest out in the plain when nothing would grow they started planting maritime pine trees that were sterile that grew up that then created a cover for the land that brought the land back in her tree and created a fully biodiverse rainforest brought back animals yeah Glantz yeah they’re still doing it but we don’t hear about it on any current examples anywhere does the world of the United Nations they declared them the first example of a self sustainability model in the world

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this was 1976 40 godknows years ago it’s like what is it gonna take now the UN saying we’re not making it that’s 40 years after that uh-huh what do you think it’s gonna take do you think we’ve still got a chance I’m acting like we do but nobody knows of course well-said acting like we do you can’t really give up can we not in our nature to give it up what will he do that yes well the fact that we’ve done them well in the end of paper yesterday and it had an example of three story

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floating gardens and I think is like that arson are beginning to happen and I mean I agree the ocean yes and rivers and things like that close close to people so well I would think that you once showed me I think I don’t remember the exact dimensions was maybe a 15 by 20 foot plot maybe less that could help feed a family your own family of four us yeah I remember was probably 20 years ago we shared with me yes and when I first came over in nineteen in 1969 to to see what was happening on Kauai at

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Taylor camp remember they have a lot of treehouses and and those visitors brother had seven acres there on the sea I came to write back from that and started my own little community here on now is called Loomis Road out in no way though and and we and the things like you saw you saw the you filmed the creation of the water tank my my daughter was was doing that right and and I I ran into a very sophisticated woman woman that said that does the first show she’s haha was he came to Maui and she

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just loved it that there there were they were passing a jaw joint around and and working together and and it was a fantastic experience there was well I mean I as I was there I couldn’t help but feel so much love in that community and everyone worked together to put that tank together was fast yeah experience and you were like I say I don’t I don’t want to separate you and call you a mascot but you were really to me the driving force you are like everyone kind of recognized your leadership and just

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bringing joy and love to that community and that’s why I always like to say that you really were the father of the development of the New Age community on Maui a progressive open-minded and responsible group that’s still there so they’re there in many ways and they’ll spread out thank you for that you’re you are welcome yeah it has been a lot of fun to be that close to nature early and waterfalls and palm trees and green everything and walking to the sieve and when you can hear the big waves smashing

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into the cliffs and going out there to see for inferred seas coming in from the northwest and knowing that a few cones down jaws is going off full-time and people are putting in their jet skis and their surfboards from mallika Valley and heading out and just a wonderful time to be live that’s as in this time when so many new things were happening well and now like you say this may be the last generation has a chance yeah to save this you know to save this world as we know it yeah and we’ve been blessed here on Maui to

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have that kind of environment whenever I look at the mainland I cringe I was gonna say a little but I cringe a lot I spoke I’ve been working on a television set not on a television set our television production in West Maui for a second season of temptation Island that’s the story by itself and I mentioned to them that I do shows here with few cameras and less they are so into the fact that I can do it simply they have hundreds of people but here and we learn on this small island to do a lot of everything so it was really a

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great example of self sustainability to me and realizing we could do TV shows and not have to do the giant production it’s really fun by the way but they crave this they go out and see a little bit of nature they’re so thankful and we’re so thankful to have it here but we really are it’s we’re pushing our limits the reefs are getting attacked we building out and I don’t even know what to say I’m just hoping that people see our example and want to duplicate it and want to be moving in that direction I

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keep thinking that the young people are our hope for the future you know I believe the children are our future teach them well and then let them lead the way you know we were at that place yeah I’m hoping for it like you say we don’t know if we have enough time but we sure want to act like we do so we will keep doing and be honoring this place in a way that it really needs leadership in that direction are I was gonna say our president there’s a whole regime that seems like money and the direction of

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money has kind of replaced right and wrong as a template for the way things are thinking how things can be better through science rather than through the cultivation of caring a genuine caring how do you sit and talk with a dolphin or a manta ray you look them in the eyes okay you know how do we each deal with each other rather than fighting look each other in the eyes yeah oh he’s at his heart why was sent a little blog yesterday that I think it’s it’s the the best lecture like about hour-long that I’ve

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ever had heard it’s it’s by Tom Qi like CH I I looked up I put into Google oh can I Facebook Tom Qi and you gave me some title of real and up it came and they had it down I downloaded a transcript and read it I haven’t watched was the presentation ok he’s worth listening to huh oh yes yeah it’s it’s it starts with without the heart and then it goes to the breath and it goes to the brain and and it’s making the point everything is connected here’s how hunter’s wonderful words everything is

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connected three words here’s how to one four five five fours and he really I’ve never heard a lecture that potent in a woman and all of my life so I’m recommending that one day everybody I think I it was easy to find and you’ll see it I’m Qi and it was really something thank you for sending that to me yeah you know I think about you I like I say I more than anything I think of you as an example but you’re doing stuff now still right you’re still involved in uniting the species in fact

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isn’t that your website yes well I [Music] became involved in a situation that I’m trying to correct in nineteen in 1994 I was selected to be in The Who’s Who in America and then up came the millennia who’s who in America know who’s who in the world for the millennia and they wanted to know what what I was up to and and I told him at that time it was called fauna something omaha’s but which which meant flags of all nations and then me and the UN honoring all species through the I

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the idea was that I was going to get synchronized swimmers that started in 80 in 1984 and in LA the Olympic swimmers to to perform this because this underwater parade and it was going to be involving all of their of their um the flags of their countries and and and the unites civilizations at the end and done so I entered a a contest there was a there was an agreement how wonderful was to have over a billion people and one day watch things like um Farm Aid and Live Aid singing goddesses going to connect up the world mmm and so

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I named part of my of the loss of long memory as it’s anyway so so he this gentleman threw a contest he’d been part of those earlier performances and he was going to set the new world record for the world’s most watched TV in 24 hours and so he sponsored a contest in which at that point 38 countries had said yes to and there were going to be 24 hours show of how people are good welcome to new millennia the new thousand years and and so he sponsored a contest on Maui that after three tries I I won all three and

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was selected for what I was calling the the United species underwater parade the Uniting civilizations we are running at a time you always you’re gonna have to come back again Jim we are here with less than 30 seconds left isn’t that amazing how we can to up an hour you’re such a brilliant and gifted guy thank you for all that you give us Jim I appreciate you and I know our audience does and I hope you’ll come back again I’d be happy to I want to thank you all for listening we are out of time but we

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will see you next week on the rules are [Music] Jimmy Lois thank you [Music]