Jim Loomis Visionary SuperMan, a man for All Ages– 3 -2022

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Published on 03/01/2022 by Jason Schwartz

Show #137  Jason Schwartz is joined by Jim Loomis, 3 -2022. Sages of Our Ages…

Summary & Transcript

  • [00:00 → 05:52] Introduction, Early Endeavors, and United Species Project
    • Jim Loomis is introduced as a sage and visionary, recognized for his lifelong work connecting global species and people.
    • He references his family genealogy through the Loomis family in America and his achievements such as winning the Maui Writers Contest in 1994.
    • Loomis was invited by Who’s Who in America in 1994 and again in 2000 to contribute visionary ideas about how countries would greet the new millennium.
    • He proposed a grand millennium project featuring a vertical underwater parade of 194 people representing countries with capes that exhibited national animals and flags.
    • Although the project did not materialize, it inspired the creation of UnitedSpecies.org, a platform focused on uniting all species and cultures.
    • Loomis reflects on the challenge of time and how ideas often take decades to come to fruition, expressing persistence in his vision toward global unity.
  • [05:52 → 19:27] Early Academic and Scientific Work
    • Loomis arrived in Hawaii in 1969, having been deeply involved in computing and artificial intelligence.
    • He had a master’s degree in mathematics from the University of California, Long Beach, and was part of an early AI think tank involving Milan, Moscow, and Michigan.
    • He was tasked with programming robots to understand meaning—a pioneering artificial intelligence challenge.
    • Loomis recounts interactions with Robert Oppenheimer, the “father of the atomic bomb,” who shared profound scientific insights, including the concept of photons as electrons moving backward in time.
    • He muses on theoretical physics topics like time travel and particle physics but acknowledges these remain unresolved or theoretical.
    • Loomis also worked alongside the visionary Buckminster Fuller and was influenced by Fuller’s discussions on the cosmic cost of fossil fuels.
    • A key turning point came when Loomis heard Oppenheimer’s sorrowful declaration after the atomic bomb test: “I have become the destroyer of worlds.” This led Loomis to drop out of his PhD and pursue a life dedicated to peace and environmentalism, notably whale conservation.
  • [19:27 → 28:14] Sports, Diving, and Connection with Nature
    • Loomis was a talented athlete, especially in rowing and diving, spending time at Catalina Island, a hub for sports and nature.
    • He dove deeply to recover historical anchors and swam with dolphins and seals, fostering a lifelong connection with marine life.
    • His experience with dolphins inspired him to pursue human-dolphin communication, inspired by John Lilly’s research.
    • Loomis describes dolphins’ communication as holographic, sending images rather than just sounds, and envisions expanding communication to dogs and other animals.
    • He also discusses the tetrahedron, a geometric figure with 24 perspectives, linking it symbolically to the Hebrew alphabet and his sculptures of dolphins, emphasizing interconnectedness and universal knowledge.
  •  [28:14 → 36:18] Philosophy, Hope, and the Power of Science
    • Loomis emphasizes the importance of combining hope with action, noting that hope alone is passive.
    • Jason stresses that change requires vision coupled with concrete action, not just talking or dreaming.
    • Reflecting on human consciousness, he admires the development of science and mathematics as powerful tools to understand nature.
    • He describes a personal practice of contemplation, lying in bed and observing how ideas combine naturally without opinion bias, grounded purely in nature’s consistent responses.
    • Loomis shares a poem about hope being “a feathered thing that perches in your soul,” illustrating his belief in hope’s enduring, though intangible, power.
    • He advocates for science as a path to deeper understanding and solutions, emphasizing that it transcends personal opinion and is universally verifiable.
  • [36:18 → 48:40] Personal Reflections, Community, and Governance
    • Loomis recounts his personal and family losses, including his son and nephew, and how such experiences have transformed regrets into blessings.
    • He highlights the power of community, recalling building a water tank with neighbors and the strength of collective effort.
    • Loomis calls for a shift in governance toward “Great Grandmother Governance”(GG³), advocating women, especially elder grandmothers, as leaders to replace male-dominated, aggressive political leadership.
    • He stresses the need to overcome destructive male tendencies like domination and war, pointing to current geopolitical crises as examples.
    • Loomis supports local initiatives like food security and community gardening in Hawaii as steps toward sustainability and resilience.
    • The discussion covers his political candidacy motivated by a desire to convert vision into action, emphasizing leadership that puts people and planet first.
  • [48:40 → 01:04:39] Legacy, Poetry, and Environmental Activism
    • Loomis shares the impact of poetry and music on the human spirit, including a piece by Garrison Keillor about music as a “homesickness for some far-off and half-forgotten country.”
    • He speaks fondly of his long-term friend and collaborator, Diana, who supports him in retirement, allowing him to focus on intellectual and creative pursuits.
    • Loomis reflects on the exponential growth of the global population from 1.14 billion in 1935 to nearly 7.9 billion today, discussing implications for Earth’s carrying capacity.
    • He references the United Nations’ estimate that humanity would require six extra planets to sustain current lifestyles.
    • Loomis combines humor with gravity, imagining the absurdity of billionaires escaping Earth for other planets.
    • He revisits his environmental activism, particularly against whaling, and commemorates a dolphin named Gannon, linking it to the memory of his nephew Stephen and their shared spiritual experiences.
    • Loomis discusses a mysterious dolphin sound word “thermadh gills moloid”, with “light” embedded in the middle, symbolizing life and hope beyond death.
    • He closes with a call for respect and love for all species, reinforcing his mission of unity and peace.

Key Insights

  • UnitedSpecies.org and global unity: Loomis’s vision to unite all species and peoples is a central theme, blending art, science, and activism.
  • Shift in governance: Advocates for matriarchal leadership, emphasizing wisdom and cooperation over domination.
  • Science and spirituality: Loomis bridges advanced science (AI, quantum physics) with poetry and spirituality, suggesting integrated paths to understanding and healing.
  • Hope plus action: He stresses that hope must be paired with tangible steps to create real change.
  • Environmental and social activism: Lifelong commitment to protecting whales, oceans, and communities.
  • Communication beyond humans: Exploration of interspecies communication, especially with dolphins and dogs, as a new frontier for empathy and connection.

Timeline Table of Significant Events and Themes

Timestamp Event / Topic Notes
00:00–05:52 Millennium project and UnitedSpecies.org Proposed underwater parade; vision to unite all species
05:52–19:27 Early academic career & AI work Teaching AI in 1969; meeting Oppenheimer; dropping PhD
19:27–28:14 Sports, diving, and dolphin communication Rowing, diving 108 ft; human-dolphin communication concepts
28:14–36:18 Philosophy on hope, science, and action Hope as passive; science as universal truth; vision + action
36:18–48:40 Governance, community, and political engagement Advocates matriarchal governance; local food security efforts
48:40–01:04:39 Poetry, environment, population growth, dolphin activism Population growth challenges; dolphin symbolism; legacy work

Glossary of Key Terms and Concepts

Term Definition / Explanation
UnitedSpecies.org An organization/project founded by Loomis aimed at uniting all species and cultures globally.
Great Grandmother Governance (GG³) Proposed governance model emphasizing leadership by elder women to promote peace and cooperation.
Tetrahedron A four-faced geometric figure symbolizing perspectives; connected to Hebrew alphabet by Loomis.
Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) Cold War-era nuclear strategy; Loomis linked this to “prisoner’s dilemma” in AI context.
Human-Dolphin Communication Concept of dolphins communicating via holographic images, a field Loomis pursued inspired by John Lilly.
Carrying Capacity The maximum population size that an environment can sustain indefinitely.

Notable Quotes

  • “I have become the destroyer of worlds.” – Robert Oppenheimer, as recalled by Loomis.
  • “Hope is a feathered thing that perches in your soul… never stops at all.” – Poem referenced by Loomis on hope.
  • “We need leaders… to step out there and lead the world to peace and sustainability.” – Loomis on leadership.
  • “We need six extra planets to sustain the current human population.” – Loomis referencing UN population and sustainability data.
  • “The whales, I think, are somewhere between angels and men.” – Loomis reflecting on the spiritual significance of whales.

Conclusion

Jim Loomis’s life and work weave together science, art, environmental activism, and visionary governance. From pioneering artificial intelligence and mathematics to advocating for a matriarchal shift in leadership and interspecies communication, Loomis embodies a holistic approach to solving the world’s challenges. His reflections on hope, community, and the natural world offer profound insights into humanity’s potential for transformation. Despite setbacks and decades passing since his early visions, Loomis remains a steadfast advocate for unity, peace, and action grounded in love and science.

Transcript

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[Music] if you want to know where the king lives we’re going to go well you really don’t think of yourself as the king you’re more like a leader of loving beings well this is a leader of glory living beings you know your conversation you came up with my conversation twice this week and it was all about uniting species and being a representative of everything and everyone in the world and that’s what made me think hey yes it’s been a couple of years let’s talk to the sage of our age

00:54
oh my old friend jim loomis you’re you’re a wonderful guy well this is some room yeah yeah so so here is there are my writings and here are all these big thick books that i have found myself in my whole lifetime starting with the loomis family in america which is the most complete genealogy in america i started with that had my grandfather in it my father in it wow then they discontinued printing them and um but loomis family was significant and had their own book that’s pretty amazing

 

01:38
yeah yeah so so then uh when i won the maui writers contest in 94 uh who’s who in america came to see me and they wanted me to get into their book which i did in 94 and then in 2000 they they came to see [Music] to see what i was doing at this time and do i have any new way to represent the countries of the world and greeting the new millennium balloon thousands of thousand years and that and um i did have a dad and i and i went through it started in france and came to england and it came to

 

02:33
america of trying to um to show how the countries of the world are going to meet the new millennia millennium and did they have others and did they come up with a way they were going to greet the new millennium that met your taste they they came up with three different uh exams that people presented in close september 1999 and uh i i won all the contests and so they wanted me to uh to be the final thing going around the world how do all these countries greet the new millennium and so i had a really beautiful plan

 

03:30
and we had to ship we had underwater i max photographer and we had a band lost at last and we it was all set set up and then something happened i don’t know what it would have happened but that’s what i was doing for the millennium and i was and it was a vertical parade of 194 people going up the starting down at the bottom a 100 foot or about a 80 foot dive to the bottom and then coming up to [Music] to spread out their capes of their countries with the animal animal of their country on the

 

04:26
other side so you have a big round flag and then they give it a one half turn and so it’s a maybe is fragment with the countries and the animals on the same side and that was going to be the wind up of the thing and it didn’t it didn’t happen well but is that when you used and started united species.org was it for that project yeah yeah well when you say it didn’t happen uh you and i both know that uh the one thing that i don’t know how to control yet is time you put it up and put it out into the

05:12
universe and here you are again stating it again today yeah you sound like me you were mentioning that my name is on this roster of people running for office who would have thought that 30 years would go by between an idea coming out and here we are same with what you’ve got you know it’s 22 years since that new millennium but we’re still here and we still are i guess important in leading the world and recognizing what you just stated right so clearly that coming up together representing all

05:52
of us together great thinking because that was an original thought from just living your life we should sit down [Music] let me let me do this because we’re just sort of in the middle of it let’s look at that camera and do a an opening one sec watch this okay aloha everyone i’m jason schwartz your host and we are here at the neutral zone with one of the sages of our ages this is jim lomas and if i were to say dr jim loomis you’d say no i’m not a doctor if i say professor you’d say no no professor

 

06:47
but i can tell you that over the years many people have followed your wisdom jim some of the audience may know you but i’m going to try to ask for a quick wrap-up let me see i’m going to start and let you jump in and take it you came here numbers of years ago what year did you get here uh in 69 i came over flew over to the university at on the big island and uh offered to teach computing and artificial intelligence i just come from a a grant the first global artificial intelligence think tank had

 

07:36
been formed involving the three big egg m’s milan moscow and michigan and i got a full scholarship to to there and i was tasked with the with uh writing a program so that a robot would understand it where were you that that kind of thing came into your world how did you happen to get that invitation what were you doing before um i was i had gotten my masters and mathematics at the university of california long beach state and i taught there with buckminster fuller and he was talking about the cosmic cost of gal

 

08:35
gasoline being a million dollars a gallon in terms of pressure temperature and time that’s what it would take to create something like what we had discovered in pennsylvania by drilling a hole into the ground this wealth came out and we’re running on that wealth now and now it’s it’s bitten us pretty good on the co2 side and um so i i was a task with uh teaching a robot on what the meaning of meaning was and i was and the the father of the adam bomb came to speak at the university

 

09:32
and at to the mental health research institute where i was at and they had also been inviting sculptors and painters and all artists from around the world to come take acid and see what uh what they thought of that so this was 1969. yeah that was uh and so that was 1960. 60 [Music] somewhere there in the 60s where you went to so you got together with bucky fuller and others with artificial intelligence and teach robots and you were that was early on into the discovery but they now when you look at that kind of

 

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subject you feel it’s made giant leaps well um what was the name of the man i’ve had i don’t have a stroke and what is the name of the man the father of the atom bomb teller in new york not verna von braun no um here in america oppenheimer yeah robert oppenheimer i i went to one of his lectures and i had been studying way beyond the books that we were required to study and i asked him a question and there were about 80 people in line and and he said i’m glad you asked me that question it had to do with

 

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with the photons um you can mathematically treat them i have positrons you can mathematically treat them as electrons moving backwards in time and i asked him is there a place that you can go to that is backwards in time and he said i’m glad you asked me that question because i’ve been thinking about it for years and so everybody became and surrounded him and um so i haven’t seen that one if i could see that one i’d like going back in time we hear about it in theoretical but it doesn’t seem to be an

 

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actual nor have i seen the other one have you seen anyone go ahead in time yeah and record it i don’t know yeah so i don’t know that that’s solved yet but i’m always interested in what i would tell einstein if i were to meet him now how much science has progressed since his time in 55 i was hoping to go back and hitchhike and meet him and and go on to be on the little lake around prison princeton where he was and institute of advanced study and i’ve just always held held to me uh

12:55
in awe that we are able to understand the very small the very very smaller than app and an atom like for every little um or neurons or the particles in the atom no not even that just see the uh i’m sorry um that’s all right anyway there’s one there’s about 10 to the 10th atoms per nerve sale going into the brain and i was thinking that 10 to the 10th might just be what has happened over the evolution over these billions of years before life came along and so forth so life since you were studying that i’m just sort of

 

13:53
roping that in so from there before you came here you were studying all kinds of i want to say high-minded science and you would want an award right as a outstanding teacher in what culver city were you in high school or college yes uh at the high school i there there is a student from 65 that is here right now that just came over from denmark and i had been her favorite teacher have you met her yet yeah she called me to get your numbers oh she had seen you and i yeah on a video yeah and called me so i’m glad we got

 

14:37
you together yeah you were a favorite teacher i can understand why you made her think yeah i was i was at the right place at the right time to have to ask robert oppenheimer this question that and then other students uh chimed in and said what was that that you said when the first item bomb went off and he said in saying script and and the students said you know what what does that mean and he said i have become the destroyer of worlds whoa and i looked at him and the sorrow on his face and i dropped out of my phd

 

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and uh came back to my family and the opportunity to serve uh the world and uh stop the killing of whales and and uh so you flipped your whole life plan flipped it i clipped yeah and whales now the other part of you that i remember was you were a great sportsman and you were we call it rowing is that what you call it yeah i was uh just my life seemed so uh so easy because when i was rowing uh the number one hit song of the united states was 26 miles across the sea remember santa catalina is waiting for me

 

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santa catalina island of romance romance romance romance and there and there is a there’s a boat that i sent over here and and shaped it into a large shape uh a uh large large shaped schooner and that’s called romance if you at some point you can put a camera on that the boat that we now call romance yeah so so the only the older owner of the island was uh wrigley it still is and he made the cherry chewing gum and frame and then also he had he owned the chicago chicago cubs yeah and they came to

 

17:28
catalina island every year and uh they practiced there and so i was uh i was elected as a as a diver and uh all i had to do was present them on fridays they were catholic catholics with fish or abalone and so you rode over to catalina i mean you got known somehow to this group as a great athlete here and someone who could dive yes yeah the the dolphins would come through the bay every day and i had moved moved down to emerald bay and about 12 of them would come through and so i would dive with them and the seals

 

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were there too and um so at one time the the last united states sponsored spearfixing contest was held there because it was wiping out the old timers on all the reefs that they went to so i was there and i do and i just made 108 foot dive um to recover a anchor of one of the famous sailing ships that had it pulled out in this storm and so i just got deeper and deeper and holding my breath longer and longer and people now have gone way way beyond myself now that what year were we talking 50s yeah let’s see

 

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we um probably 50 i think 55 and six around in there i was a four or five-year-old young man uh-huh dreaming about guys like you yeah what are you gonna do with your life that’s the question so there you are yeah you were a diver and rowing and catalina and teaching at school you went to a conference it blew your mind what you heard and you said i’m unplugging no i i’m yeah and so you picked up and how did you pick where’d you come you came out here to hawaii uh like i uh i went back to my

 

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family in uh in long beach where i graduated and um began teaching at the at the university there and that’s where i met diana i don’t know where we’d we’ve met years before we were in choir together when i was the senior class president of wilson high she was in the choir and she came out with a girls quartet that blew my mind and i was into into spebb uh the society for the enter encouragement and preservation of barbershop quartet singing in america that’s when i first fell in love with

 

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acronyms like that that i still am in in love with and but but my demand it chose me to be in the um in this first global think tank was the man that created mad mutual assured destruction it came out of a game called prisoner’s dilemma and um so i knew that we were in trouble at that time i also like acronyms i’m sure you hear me obama maui arts and music association yeah and and papa people aligned in positive action mama and papa together are the foundation of dream makers a vision plus action

 

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that’s how you do it vision class action is a dream making yes you know otherwise it’s just a lot of talks and dreams so yeah and like this year like i said this is to me an exciting time sad that we have come so many years and still see the world doing things like fighting yeah this a fighting this is why i created the the great grandmother governance so that g g cubed i call it so that we get rid of the men that like putin and get things into the hands of of grandma great grandmothers which

 

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diana now is and i’m a grand great grandfather and um wow i just get it out of that you know that the first camera i took out from the public tv station i came out to your place there in uello and videotaped zan’s first birthday party oh i had you holding a plate full of star fruit that became the opening of my television oh really that was zen’s first birthday yeah well he’s he’s returned he’s up there yeah and he’s got a uh he’s got a um he’s got a tiny home that’s beautiful that’s

 

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about 30 feet long feet long or money maybe more more than that i haven’t seen it late on a piece of land right next to mine that diana bought ice and so the family continues there where they were born that’s so beautiful that’s years ago that’s amazing i remember being out there when you were building a water tank that was a classic time when everyone came together and built that water tank that was a show we did years ago yeah so that was on akaku too it’s amazing what a community can do

 

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if they help each other isn’t it yeah seems like we should rekindle that or remind people of that right get together so you came out so you were here in 1969 70 right 69 when you came out here yes uh-huh oh so yeah so i i interviewed at the uh there and then i asked her how far is it to uh kalakakua bay because i want to go back to my little grass shack on camera that’s the one and so they said well that’s that would be quite a quite a distance so i kind of thought well and that’s what i care care about and i did

 

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end up diving the dolphins there and receiving a grant to a 40-foot catch feral cement catch to to swim to teach people to undue light like the dolphins and swim with them and try to complete john lilly’s thing of of the of uh human dolphin communication because i had heard them speak before that was very human-like and i have and i have developed uh based upon something that is made the jews so very exceptional being one or two percent of the global population with half of the nobel prizes

 

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and when you when you put a flame uh in the middle of something and you and which is where the word pyramid comes from on the back of your dollar bill you see there’s a pyramid there and they had taken a flame and and they looked and and on top of that there’s a tetrahedron and the tetrahedron has 24 perspectives you can look through it’s only four it’s a it’s a triangle at the bottom with three triangles coming up that’s what you see on your dollar bill but that that and then you see an eye

 

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and that eye is of often interpreted as a as a uh the eye of what god is watching you but it’s really a whole different thing is that there’s those 24 perspectives of a flame going upward viewed from 24 ways what does it do it generates the hebrew alphabet really yes wow yes and i think that’s part of that so i’m doing the same thing with with the with the dolphins so i’ve got a beautiful some sculpture of megan swimming down and holding on to a dalton’s fin and i’m going to

 

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put that in a tetrahedron and and take these 24 pictures of of that and the dolphins are going to go great idea and uh and that’s gonna undercut man’s violence i think that uh i think it’s our long loneliness of being a no one to talk to other than our humans so if the dogs come along and we’ve made some headway with dogs with uh our our dog got into some chocolate mushrooms and he doesn’t spawn like any other dog you’ve ever heard before he’s trying to talk to us anyway um

 

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it seems like i’m sounds like i’m really into dope or or no i think the rules um i’m not i’m not i’m always so happy from when i used them at all a long time ago i was always happy to get back to my mouth my my mind wow it’s still active still working still still working do you think that we have a chance to get out of our present predicaments yes and i don’t know what it is but but i can see the worst and i’m hoping for the best and hope i’m kind of relying on hope

 

30:03
but home there’s a poem i read lately about hope that kind of emphasizes that hope doesn’t really cost anything to to have it it’s um um let’s see how does that one start um hope is a feathered thing that perches in your soul that sings its tune without the words and never stops at all i’ve heard it in the fiercest gales and on the strangest seas never in intensity it asked a crumb of me sort of sort of cute about hope that it doesn’t hurt it’s not an action program but maybe it’s part of what we

 

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you know you said hope is not an action program that’s the only thing i think about hope is like hope if we don’t give up our own personal risk i don’t have called responsibility but hope plus action without action vision and hope are passive i hope it’s a passive experience right yeah but how do you change things in a physical world you’ve got to take action i think it’s interesting when you were with the dolphins did your communication involve telepathic communication were you

 

32:03
thinking or was it more a sound i was wondering you were talking earlier about that well i think that they speak in holograms to one another that when they when they they’re not stealing speaking a language as much as sin is having shot a picture to one another and that’s what they’re looking at so that’s maybe where we can you know anything that’s where we can kind of catch the picture right because maybe something like that because you know i mean how can how species communicate

 

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and the fact that you were talking earlier about you know yeah expanding from just communicating with humans that we could do with dogs a little bit we’re doing it with things but what is that’s a different realm what a great that’s a great concept but it involves to me that’s more of a it’s a different different area energetically i don’t even know why i’m bringing that up but when i think about whenever i talk to you i always find myself drifting off into high science

 

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thinking about what are the possibilities you know yeah what are the possibilities yeah so we we we got 10 to the 23rd small that you learn about in any beginning chemistry class and then we’ve got 13.7 billion years large looking out at the uh at the universe and so i’m really proud of the mind of man that such a thing has developed and this consciousness is a great great trait and great to have it but we we did go too far and got into the radioactive elements and and now that’s our problem because

 

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that could do us in for a next billion years you know i i probably could say to you give me great quotes of things that are meaningful but i more think of give me something from jim loomis that you feel people need to hear i mean i’m sure you have more than one but a couple would be fun you know if you’re whenever you quote someone else i know you’ve been putting these things together you know sipping on them like wine coming up with your own unique perspective yes i i lie in bed diana has provided me and with a real uh

 

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retirement that i don’t have to do anything i do about 12 things every day to to pick up the sticks and pick up the fruit and get the mail and so so so forth so i remain pretty off active but it gives me a lot of time of to just lying in my bed looking at the sea ceiling and watching uh how the ideas combined and just being in love with my mind and i think that kind of thing can happen if you get into science where it isn’t anybody’s opinion it’s nature responding the same way to everybody

 

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that has asked the same question very sorry so i’m going to give you an example of what i’m looking for okay out there we have all these people you don’t see them but they’re right through that little spot right there oh there’s one of them now oh so we have a world and it’s doing its thing you know politics and all the rest of that aside you know after your years that you’ve been living i can feel as just you’ve solved the secrets to life you seem to be content you have time to

 

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give thought to what the universe is offering you many important things that people want to know right now you think well um i’m dropping it on you but you know i know you can take it i hope i haven’t changed the subject but it i um we have this astronomy institute on maui that uh i’m um i had a brother-in-law that recently died but he’s a laser physicist concerto giuliano wonderful man and he and my sister went to india and took their little kids and but we we would get together and he

 

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lived he lived up in kula we would get together and go over you’re saying about mom i i’ve got a mom in my life there too that that um when i started my masters in mathematics there was a little poem in the front of the book of the advanced calculus text and written by a guy kerins r wright and uh i i’d like to give more of his poetry but uh he wrote a book a little poem called paradrox paradox and it starts not truth nor certainty these i for swore in my novitiate as young men call to holy orders

 

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absurd the world if then this only i assert and my successes are but pretty chains thinking twin doubts for it is vain to ask if what i postulate be justified or what i prove possessed the stamp of fact yet bridges stand and men no longer crawl in two dimensions and such triumph stem and no small measure from the power of this game of mathematics played with the thrice attenuated shades of things has over their originals how frail the wand yet how profound the spell and connie and i would get together

 

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every year and figure out anything changed here and and we came up with same same thing mind over matter that’s what matt mathematics is about and that’s our mom that’s my mom mine’s over matter yeah that’s great yeah any regrets you’ve had a few but few to mention yeah i’m i’m uh things are coming to my way how to change regrets into blessings and uh and my a couple days ago my my only nephew died of liver cancer and we had a little candle and incense ceremony for him

 

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right down beneath the picture of my son that drowned at 14 and he had dropped out of school in sixth third grade said that he’s going to choose choose his life and he’s going to go back to school uh in the ninth grade he was that’s what his uh iq was saying so so um we had a little ceremony and for for stephen spencer i love you stephen so it’s uh there was there’s another little bone that just came to me on about um births of chill children um or our birth is but a sleep and a

 

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forgetting the soul that rises with us our life’s scar star has else hair elsewhere it’s setting and cometh from afar not in utter nakedness nor in entire forgetfulness come we training clouds of glory from god who is our home that’s not a beautiful thing that is really nice wow well you’re a guest i could talk to you forever [Laughter] you too like what what have you been doing what is what is your life about how did you get to be here and hang on i’m gonna jump in here i was gonna have

 

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you sit here no i don’t want to sit i want to give jimbo a kiss okay this is arielle many of you know everybody arielle here and i love you jimbo and i want to say that your brain is absolutely what is it super supercalifragilisticexpialidocious fabulous and it’s amazing that you remember so much and as you were sitting there quoting those things i was like holy goodness i couldn’t do that so oh you know i i took a iq test and i was pretty high but but i was exactly 50 in memory and that’s what gave me the

 

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incentives to memorize eight hours of poetry wow you really did it you’re so so can do it anyway i just wanted to say i remember i’ve died with you i’ve played with you and start heart and lily and we all had such good times so many years ago didn’t we we did yeah and you know i was reminding jason today that we did we did a show with you years ago on your land where we showed your tree house and all that we got we got to pull that up okay so i just wanted to say hi to everybody and tell you i love him

 

44:59
i love him okay bye thank you ariel welcome see we always have guests on our show that was great one of the birdies breedies of the world ariel pearson thank you ariel aloha mahalo yeah i just know that the world since i saw you last things keep going with me why did i decide to run for politics this year run for a secret you probably know it’s like talk like i said earlier talk is just talk these visions and all this talk take some action and if i don’t put it out to the world now when am i going to wait till i’m 81 or

 

45:50
91 or do you know that when they opened the cultural center and they had it available to be booked the first new year’s eve and new year’s day i booked i paid for to be there to put out this vision that i’ve had and i got a call from pundy you know like pandey okay there was now a statue down there because so appreciate him but he called me in and i told him my vision and he said good idea and i thought that it would that happened then he had a stroke he was my local champion and so

 

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i sort of became the rodney dangerfield of this island because i was sort of ahead of them in concepts but no one was listening they weren’t taking it seriously so i’m running now to put it out to the people and uh you know how we’re going to save the world if we don’t move our feet what do they say in 10 years if we don’t do this that and the other thing the quality of life on this planet is changing we need leaders people would say i’m going to step out there just like

 

47:05
you you’ve been stepping out there and leading great minds and great people people followed from the mainland to live here to be in your domain because of what a beautiful giving loving caring guy you are and now all these years later i’m here all these years i feel like i’m piggybacking on all the good that you’ve delivered it’s time to deliver it out to these guys here so i know that when i speak jim roma stands with me and i know when i sing when i sing with the world no matter

 

47:48
where i am i always think of you oh good because you used to be my encourager way back when when we are the world was you know understood as a possibility there’s a choice we’re making with saving our own lives still a choice isn’t it it’s saving our own lives it’s true we make a better day just you and me yeah beautiful beautiful song yeah so that i’m hoping good that you are elected to counsel and that you bring that understanding with you and we make this island which is now um

 

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food security hawaii yes gardens in our front yard like we have here and uh but just smaller places you can get your gardens in and you got the right idea yeah you’re a pleasure to be with jim i hope that you’ll consider being with me again here on the show oh good yeah sure we will be keep real keep talking the rest of our lives all right i uh i just i made a little recording this morning so beautiful would you would you like to hear it do you think sure okay through the magic of the start and stop button we’re able

 

49:36
to come back yeah so you’re doing something this morning a recording oh yes so this is this uh this from garrison keeler i listen to him twice when i get up in the morning i listen to him and then i go make my breakfast and come back and i listen to him again and this this morning he’s he’s he is quoting a poem at the end called music how’s the volume volume up ordered and titled music when i was a child i once sat sobbing on the floor beside my mother’s piano as she played and sang

 

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for there was in her singing a shy yet solemn glory my smallness could not hold and when i was asked why i was crying i had no words for it i only shook my head and went on crying why is it that music at its most beautiful opens a wound in us an ache a desolation deep as a homesickness for some far-off and half-forgotten country i’ve never understood why this is so but there’s an ancient legend from the other side of the world that gives away the secret of this mysterious sorrow for centuries and centuries we have been

 

51:12
wandering but we were made for paradise as deer for the forest and when music comes to us with its heavenly beauty it brings us desolation for when we hear it we half remember that lost native country we dimly remember the fields their fragrant wind swept clover the bird songs and the orchards the wild white violets in the moss by the transparent streams and shining at the heart of it is the longed for beauty of the one who waits for us who will always wait for us in those radiant meadows yet also came to

 

51:56
live with us and wanders where we wander wow [Music] here’s my thinking okay when we’re done i’ll send that to me that way i can take the sound and make it perfect okay yeah but i i don’t know how to send things out like i can show you in a second but okay well we’ve got a few minutes before we uh wrap up i just know that every time i sit with you um the best and most exciting thing is that you listen in the moment you’re not pre-judging or coming with an agenda and that’s how i that’s how i

 

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like to speak to everybody when i speak to mom rachel and i’m like fresh taking this moment and really it and delivering from the communications right here your presence your aliveness just great spontaneity all those things that are at the heart of life you do it with such great style i’ve seen you go through and deal with so many situations in your life and deal with them and share your sensitivity but you still walk strong tall and proud and giving you’re a man for all seasons thank you

 

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yeah a couple months ago when uh what was the global population when i was born in 1935 and it said i take 1.14 billion and so we have at this time multiplied that by cent seven we’re 7.89 billion now wow and um and that was the carrying capacity of the earth was when i was born it was they said it was one point something billion carrying capacity yeah well they said seven billion uh well now now it’s 7.8 yeah and so it’s so we’ve we’ve uh multiplied it by seven that’s the source of

 

54:54
the u.n saying that we need six extra planets is that we have one here and there’s six more that are missing if we’re going to be able to take care of all the people it’s not amazing yeah six more got to go looking yeah and uh there was a beautiful little cartoon in the two maybe two sundays ago it shows a uh a big spaceship coming by or hovering and the guy saying oh it’s a billionaire from another planet yeah right [Laughter] aren’t we glad we can still laugh at this stuff huh

 

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we we’ll kind of laughable but we’re darn it i love us but i wish we could uh be more like the women so that’s why i’m going with united species and great grandmother governances i think we got to get it into the hands of females as quickly as we can and putin is a good reminder of that well jim thank you for being here with me today yes thank you guys for joining us here today and we hope to see you again good hello hi everyone hello we are the children we are the ones to make a brighter day

 

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so let’s start giving there’s no hope at all if you just believe there’s no way we can fall well well well well just realize change can only come when [Music] so let’s start giving there’s a choice thank you they’re calling you jack in the paper we’ll let them do what they will okay thank thank you for enriching the world with your beautiful voice and singing we are the world i mean there’s a song for the world and you uh and uh i hope you can get on the council and

 

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spread the word well and be and i’m kind of thinking that that could dance that’s that should be right now a criteria yeah to be able to be on council you’ve got to be able to dance yes yes and men are the um debate of our existence and their propensity to think of me me me and create wars right now because of it thinking that he’s going to be doing better as a dictator than as a i don’t know guys got his head definitely planted in another century when domination of land was somehow significant

 

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where cooperation between people that may not even agree with each other would be to the greatest interest of the world you know and somehow it’s important for him but boy what a position just the name of that strange fluke one of the name of the book that i want that won the maui writer’s crime in 1994 yeah and i didn’t even realize how strange the fluke was but this the the week that gannon died i i took a a picture of this beautiful dolphin and it had gone through uh a lot of uh answering my call by

 

01:00:50
would can you put your your your fin out yes and and everybody knew that something weird was going on so they got they i had sung um a song that i had been singing around the world about the the whales the whales uh there’s a song in the water there’s a singing in the silence of the deep there’s a song in the water and i’ve heard it in the deepness of my sleep there’s a song in the water it’s a singing that i long to understand it’s the song of the whale and this high

 

01:01:38
time that we listen to in man listen to the whale stop the whaling slaughter there’s a high mind in the sea and if mankind was created a step below the angels he the whales i think are somewhere in between and so uh as we left the dock on lanai uh i sang that that song for them and uh 15 minutes later later down the island this this dolphin showed up and gannon had just dried and i took pictures of this wonderful dolphin and um this this boy that just died i was telling you about yeah this last week uh

 

01:02:35
stephen stephen and i uh went to long beach to pick up gannon that had come in from maui and um and we um and his his mother was dying of cancer uh up up the coast so we went up to her and went out on the beach and made a fire and uh we were we were just staying and standing and praying into the sky and just chilling challenging channeling strange sounds and and after a while we came down and said let’s let’s uh let’s make a let’s take one of these some these words and let’s uh

 

01:03:34
let’s re remember it and so that uh it will be a symbol if any one of us dies this this will be the the sound that will convey life after death if there is such a thing and so we came up with that word in a couple months ago when stephen was sick i reminded him of this that we had we had gone that we had um done that and could he remember what that word was and uh and i wasn’t able to he wasn’t on my list of of um emails so i could ask ask him and uh so i thought well i’m gonna i’m gonna email his sister but i’m gonna

 

01:04:39
lay down for about 10 minutes or so and then i’ll email her and i’ll get his number and we’ll find out what was uh what was that word and as and as i walked by this book which i recently put out um i so it’s now available strange but i looked at it and the dolphins said to me thor math gills moloid and i what what that that was that was it since so that’s the strangest fruit of the maul is uh thermad gills say one more time therm thermaph gil’s malloyd and and if you if you reverse it

 

01:05:35
and right in the middle of it is the word light and this is this is what really characterizes this beautiful dolphin was the light around the halo so that’s the strangest new thing that’s happened in my life i’d say well so now diamond again and again and stevie’s dead and i alone survived to tell this bail hello yeah thank you for edna yeah [Music] you
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