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Show # 45- — 6-3-2019 — JIM LOOMIS ! ! ! !- amazing man !!! Jason Schwartz with JIM LOOMIS, a legend to many on Maui. Jim left the city and went into the wilds of Huelo, Maui, Hawaii. author of a great collection of stories, poems and memories: “Tales and Flukes of Life in the Trees: Fractal One: Saving the Cosmos Til Tuesday”
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Jim Loomis and Zantar on The Neutral Zone
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[00:00 → 25:09] Introduction, Jim Loomis’ Life, Work, and Book
The video opens with a musical tone, immediately setting a warm, informal atmosphere. Jim Loomis is introduced as a legendary figure in Maui’s community, known as a pioneer who moved to Hawaii from the mainland and helped shape the local culture with aloha spirit and environmental activism. The host, Jason Schwartz, expresses deep admiration for Jim, calling him a “father” figure within the Maui community.
Jim Loomis authored a book titled Tales and Flukes from Life in the Trees Saving the Cosmos till Tuesday, published in 2012. The book is a collection of short stories, poetry, and pictures inspired by his deep connection with nature and his life experiences. He began writing seriously after surviving a heart attack and stroke, which motivated him to consolidate his work. The book won the Maori Reiser’s contest in 1994, marking an important milestone in his literary career.
Jim’s background includes teaching mathematics and being involved in early AI research, including participation in a global think tank that studied the prisoner’s dilemma, a concept credited with preventing nuclear conflict through the idea of mutual assured destruction. He characterizes himself as a “merry extre eco guy,” someone who blends activism with joy and education.
He recounts moving to Maui in 1988 to live closer to nature, away from bureaucracy, and to raise his children in a natural environment surrounded by waterfalls and forests. He and fellow pioneers bought land in Haiku, near Kings Pool and Queens Pool waterfalls, living simply and sustainably. Jim built a unique home inside a large ficus (Bodhi) tree, embodying his philosophy of living with and in nature.
Jim’s book has been praised by local Maui writers and friends for its depth, combining heart and mind in stories that inspire and challenge readers to live consciously and lovingly. It is described as “bedtime stories for adults” and is available through major retailers like Amazon and Barnes & Noble.
- [25:09 → 29:51] Community Acknowledgments and Sponsorships
The segment acknowledges the support of various community organizations and individuals, including David Bryan, who founded a school in Los Angeles and supports educational and environmental initiatives. The host highlights the interconnectedness of efforts to build better communities, particularly emphasizing youth services and family-friendly events on Maui.
This section also introduces the next guest, Zantar, and transitions smoothly from community outreach to deeper conversations about personal stories and environmental activism.
- [29:51 → 40:25] Introducing Zantar: A Unique Perspective
Zantar, another remarkable figure, joins the conversation. He explains the origin of his name and his connection to Jim Loomis—describing himself as a “backwards Tarzan” who moved from civilization into the jungle. Zantar shares his own experiences diving deep into the ocean, inspired by encounters with dolphins, whom he regards as mentors.
He speaks about the end of spear fishing competitions in the 1950s and how he became a deep diver by salvaging anchors at great depths near Catalina Island. His relationship with dolphins was transformative, influencing his life and work profoundly. Zantar also references his connection to John Lilly, author of Man and Dolphin, reflecting on interspecies communication and shared consciousness.
Zantar describes his first land purchase in Maui, chosen for its fertile qualities and proximity to deep pools and waterfalls—drawing parallels to ancestral lands and historic depictions of fertile, enclosed land. He also notes the upcoming wedding of Zen (a child they both knew years ago) at the same location, symbolizing continuity and community legacy.
- [40:25 → 46:59] Jim Loomis on United Species, Activism, and Global Concerns
Returning to Jim Loomis, the discussion turns to his ongoing work with the “United Species” initiative, a concept and organization detailed in chapter 41 of his book. United Species reflects Jim’s vision of global unity across species lines, emphasizing love, awareness, and respect for all life on Earth.
Jim shares a story about a student who traveled 2,500 miles to hear him speak about these ideas, illustrating the broader reach and impact of his work. He touches on the challenges facing humanity today, including political and corporate forces that threaten democracy and environmental sustainability. Despite these challenges, Jim remains optimistic, emphasizing the importance of community and leadership rooted in genuine care and presence.
Jim reflects on his long history of activism, including running for mayor as a Green Party candidate 25 years ago. He expresses a hopeful but realistic view of the future, stressing self-sustainability, peace, and cooperation as essential paths forward for humanity and the planet.
In a lighter, uplifting moment, Jim shares his rendition of We Are the World, highlighting the song’s timeless message of unity and compassion. Both he and Jason Schwartz reflect on the song’s significance, its emotional impact, and how it continues to inspire collective action and hope.
Jim recalls hearing the song originally in Hollywood and being moved by the communal spirit it represented. This segment reinforces the theme of interconnectedness that runs throughout the entire conversation, linking music, activism, and community.
- [50:57 → 56:37] Reflections on Hawaii, Population, Sustainability, and Closing
Jim reflects on his initial arrival in Hawaii in 1969 and his vision for sustainable living, including potential land purchases and his academic pursuits in artificial intelligence. He comments on global population growth—from two billion to nearly eight billion—and the challenges this presents, citing the book Overshoot and concerns about ecological limits.
He advocates for self-sustainability and community cooperation as key to supporting large populations in harmony with the environment. Jim shares personal anecdotes about dropping out of a PhD program to pursue his vision from outside traditional academia, focusing on practical contributions to peace and environmental stewardship.
The program closes with mutual appreciation between host and guest, affirming Jim Loomis as a source of inspiration and wisdom in Maui and beyond. Listeners are encouraged to explore his book and stay connected to his work through the United Species organization.
Key Themes and Core Concepts
- Pioneering Spirit and Community Building: Jim Loomis as a foundational figure in Maui’s environmental and cultural renaissance.
- Integration of Science, Art, and Activism: From AI research to poetry and deep ecology, Jim blends diverse disciplines in his life and work.
- Deep Connection with Nature: Living in treehouses, diving with dolphins, and choosing land for its natural fertility exemplify a profound bond with Earth.
- Inter-species Communication and Respect: The idea that humans can and should communicate and coexist respectfully with other species.
- Hope and Optimism Amidst Crisis: Despite global political and environmental challenges, the message remains one of love, unity, and proactive engagement.
- Legacy and Continuity: Passing on values, stories, and land stewardship to future generations, symbolized by events like Zen’s wedding.
- Sustainability and Self-reliance: Emphasis on local food production, community cooperation, and reducing reliance on fossil fuels.
- Music and Cultural Expression: Songs like We Are the World serve as metaphors and tools for uniting people across differences.
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- Recommendations for Viewers
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- Explore Jim Loomis’ book Tales and Flukes from Life in the Trees Saving the Cosmos till Tuesday for a rich blend of stories, poetry, and philosophy.
- Engage with the United Species initiative to learn about cross-species awareness and environmental stewardship.
- Reflect on community-building efforts and local sustainability initiatives, especially in island contexts like Maui.
- Consider the role of art, storytelling, and music as vehicles for social and ecological transformation.
This summary captures the essence of the rich, multi-layered conversation with Jim Loomis and Zantar, highlighting their contributions to environmentalism, community, and cultural expression in Hawaii and beyond.
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[Music] you [Music] you his hand yes Wow I am here with Jim Loomis and I just played sympathy for the devil with me singing and as I was doing it I thought erielle told me I should have we are the world here and I said well I’m gonna wait until post-production so you’re gonna see we are the world sung by me it’s really inspired by Jim Loomis my wonderful gift take Jim give a hand yeah you want to shake my hand sure you see even though this seems like radio it’s also Facebook live it’s gonna be
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ikkaku TV and it’s gonna be up on YouTube and on Maui neutral zone calm because you are absolutely a legend in our time in my life on Maui Jim Loomis is like the name of the man that stands for someone who came here as a pioneer from the mainland when Hawaii was young and it’s in us occupying everyone is a that right when we came here and you here and in love and aloha have really been I want to say the father of the community here from the mainland that has sprung up in alo and in Maui and has
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made an impression on our island and brought the whole world spirit up now now you’re gonna have to jump in because I’ve known as praising Jim Loomis a man who in the last when did you write this book two years ago well it was published in 2012 2012 that just shows you how the years run by cuz I remember coming to the book signing and I was so thrilled that you had the book and you were sitting there up at the house I guess where he’s still lie there in iku so tell me Jim tails and flukes from
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life in the trees saving the cosmos till Tuesday that I miss fractal wand is that part of the title – yes evening the cosmos till Tuesday yes I wouldn’t want to go beyond that that’s for the other folks to take over well I can’t tell if you’re being heard speak a little more say something okay just answer my questions jump on me a little bit if meaning feel free to to kind of jump in you have been a writer I remember when you were living with a lady that I was involved around God years many years ago
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barefooted and wearing a Malo and had a wonderful had to address on and I’ve just tried to do your nature as as I go what year was that remember tell us 94 1994 yes Wow that really sets a tone in me I got here in 1988 and you were already here numbers of years yes yes I had I’d come over and 69 to see what was happening on Kauai regarding inner Campbell and that that experiment lasted about seven years and had a lot of treehouses in and Anna and I came to Maui to do the same thing to move away from bureaucracy as far as
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I could and being able to live in a very natural setting with waterfalls and reason raise my kids there and and all that worked out and I I had taught for about ten years and I wanted to be freeze that if anything came up that was where I could be useful in saving whales or dolphins or or opposing the lutonium trafficking things like that I wanted to be able to do grind off and and leave the doors open and to see what happens when I came back from my adventures and so I was kind of a merry extre eco guy and this was on the heels
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of teaching yet you were a teacher where were you teaching yeah I came from having taught eight years I think and Culver High School and in the Silver City yes and I had just um yeah and have you ever been to deonda auditorium there it’s a very beautiful auto tour over City School Auditorium yeah I don’t know specifically but you know very very nice and it was created while I was there and um and I remember when I first got here was that I was kind of new to the place and I I was in Lahaina and then when I met people on
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this side they talked about coming out too well oh wait oh and uh there was a guy named Jim and he had some students that had come out and bought land around him this is how it was presented yes that was 88 yeah so yes that was and that was Rico Rick Billy and and then Bill Whitman and Brian Whitman those are a couple of my students and I just went to on 50th anniversary of that class is that a man I was the teacher of the year the first time I a math teacher had become the teacher of the year and I had
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just come from in 61 I was selected to be part of a first Global’s think tank for artificial intelligence we were it was called communication sciences at that time and involved three universities the three big M’s Michigan Milan Italy and Moscow Russia and and I was a research assistant for the guy that wrote the program called prisoner’s dilemma mara Merrill fraud was his name and he’s been credited with having saved the world Tuesday Monday yeah that the fact that we haven’t had more nuclear
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Wars all these years Wow was pretty much due to his teaching that of mutual assured destruction man Wow yeah you’ve been an activist you’ve been aware of things going on in the world and don’t sit on the sidelines here in the middle and you do it this is me talking yeah do it in a very fun way even when talking about destruction and end of the world you know you put playful in it you put education and you put your heart and your wisdom and you reach out not to just push it at him but
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to make it available I hold this hand that reminds me the first time I touched the camera from ikkaku television I borrowed it to come out to Zen’s first birthday party oh no kidding that was uh-huh and we’ll know that Barry and his grandson yes and he’s probably well an adult with right yes Wow he’s he spoke about four years older than Shekinah and it’s wonderful man oh my goodness sakes what a wonderful character this guy has Crete Talia creating a better world I think past Tuesday you have
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those in your clan that are great representatives to be here and follow with you and all of us into a better world through our intention I’m loving hearing some of these early stories because you were the guy there in whale oh and I met you and I thought what a great guy this hand you were holding out a bowl of star fruit and I videotaped it among other things as I was growing into my ikkaku television world and then someone was doing an opening credit for my show taking pieces of stuff and you are introducing our
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television show on the video from the first 20 years of our existence from that one moment in or Fallon 15 when Zen was one-year-old out there yes yes and and he’s going he’s going back there to clean it up with his tractor now so that he can be married there well at this place that you know it’s a really interesting you’re talking about there in hue lo you you purchased land long ago right that’s so you’re you told Billy Whitman and and Brian both yes and Rico yes and you guys had a spot there
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right if you want to know where the Falls is you know there are Kings pool Queens pool waterfalls where we you’re out there in the middle of the perfect spot how did the Hawaiian where are they go through all this out of that play out I always think how did the Hawaiians you know interface with you guys all these you have much contact well they’re always well welcome to you use it sure we the de King’s pool itself isn’t on my land it’s just off a few feet and and that’s where that beautiful cave is and
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that beautiful deep pool and that little island and it was um I I dope off the cliff there and uh with a new friend that turned out to be the guy that made for new gully do you remember that that movie No Fern Gully ferns going yeah and he he came back after 13 years it’s he said it took and um much time to to make the movie and he wanted me to be there for the opening of it because I was a the X inspiration as to them so I’ve now that land that you’re talking with the Kings pool and the diving in that is a
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spot where I want to say you say like Taylor camp did you you didn’t really have a name did you guys give it a name your area there you were just living in that style I want to say right yeah so life and the cheese is representative of a free and open life yeah and where you’re open to do anything because your roots are there but you’re free to go and deal with all kinds of things and anything that may come up from a free and beautiful way that’s many years ago those guys have and you guys have
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created an amazing world that house that you lived in there and the one that may have lived in that I haven’t followed the politics of it all but I know that you had a beautiful home I want to say in the tree in the what kind of tree was that that’s a ficus benjamina I I had I had Indian when it was very very young as part of a bonsai course that I was taking and and I moved it outside when it became too large and it eventually became the did the house plant that I planted my house in it was a wonderful place it has the
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most unique home I’ve ever been in yes felt like I was in a boat yes but I was in a tree a Bodhi tree a Bodhi tree exactly right yes I had been influenced by I am the captain cook’s ship that had come in from his first sailing around the world and I went over to Oahu to be the guard on it overnight well I’m just what I’m thinking of all that and thinking then you had that lived that and then you I remember going out and filming when the whole community came together to build a water tank and a great
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prototype way back in the way back you know humidity coming together and doing an extraordinary building project together yes and you guys were so great with the land growing things and naturally and then extending and rico did more kind of planting things and you did and megan had was such a beautiful place in the community they you know Blue Mountain I’m sure you know Blue Mountain yes blue mountains a guy living and his wife have a community right now and an expanse of land that haiku their
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sacred earth assembly but I thought of your group as just from a heart community that just welled up from an inspiration of you and through the years you know I I imagine you you have a couple of partners over the years that have danced in and out of my life in different ways and I just got more and more aware just how wonderful you are and then having lived you know close to you and being around there with the view and Kihei for chiesa it just you know you like it really just came on as being one incredible guy but the world needed
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to experience and see so radio does not do justice if you get this book I’m gonna put my glasses in fact I was thinking this morning when I put these on Elton John doesn’t have a radio show does he well we’re gonna invite him he’ll be here on our show you’re welcome el by the way and maybe ya would love to have you welcome well this book has amazing words and amazing pictures you were a swimmer also yes it was doing growing oh yes I was I’m called D the father of both open
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ocean rowing and the father of deep dolphin diving because I I’m reflecting upon how how early long miss changed my life and so I was living in Long Beach California and the nation’s top hit tomb was 26 miles across the sea and to Catalina no waiting for me Santa Catalina Island small romance romance romance romance I six miles in a leaky rowboat anything will do as long as it will float I’m 26 miles across the sea and me cut out the doubt so what is there a young man to do but row over
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there and so I rode over there the first day after school when school was out and I would spend there about a hundred days doing nothing but what he did what did a presented do to me and and that was I saw it in the book though you were the fastest rowing duo there and also you were gone Ilona you and Diana wrote across yes yes I know I love rowing and I was on the first the rowing team at Long Beach State College now is called University of California State Long Beach and I was I was asked to come back after I graduated with my
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master’s the head of the department one who wanted me to teach some courses and take the first master’s degree in mathematics so I came back and while I was there but mr. fuller gave a two-week class in the art department building a geodesic dome and he and I became close friends and I I promised him at the end that I was going to write a book such as I he had pointed out that there could be cosmic cost gas gasoline was a million dollars and so I said I’m going to write a book I’m going to become the first
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cosmic Guardian trillionaire by running a book that’s going to drop a thousand people out into tree houses with Gardens around them that are not going to buy a thousand gallons of gas and a million gallons be avoided if he has yes so that and that made me a cosmic trillion era and that’s just what what this book is it’s their kind of bedtime stories for adults it’s available how do people get this pretty easily Amazon and all the Barnes & Noble and stuff like that Jim and I’m not really
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sure I’m not much of a marketer well we’re gonna make sure that there’s some kind of way on our page that there’ll be a link but you know look I’m looking at quotes on this book on the back I mean this book let me see what these guys say at last we get to hear from this mind this physicist of consciousness who has walked naked and splendid into the incredible opportunity that we call life each of his great little tales is a cold KOA and what’s a cone this Japanese word for a tale that has everything in it see
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that was written by Paul wood who’s a writer that many people of course here on Maui and other places know yes next one heart-rending and mind-bending these vignettes woven together over a lifetime of epic proportions and synchronicities are psychoactive each story is like a fresh bouquet of wildflowers hand-picked handpicked for soul travelers on the road of life but before Warren does these stories similar in your consciousness long have to reading them you might just decide to settle everything and take up residence in the
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warm arms of a banyan tree says James Whittle he gets all kinds of initials F who’s he you know he’s a dear friend that I rode to Lanai with and we just followed we’ve been following one another as friends for a long time Wow and then Daniel McCullough writes Jim Wright’s and fractals infinite spiraling designs by the way I’m holding it up so the I can get the the titles of the cover of the book see so people can be yeah taking you on a journey into his world which is also ours as the dolphins and
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whales have been conveying to us for thousands of years he is also exhibit a relentless caring free life and our planet painfully aware of the damage humans are doing yet by grace of his innocence and goodness still exudes a continuous stream of optimism and joy a true dolphin Jim’s book is a gem well I can’t disagree even a blink there I hope that everyone will go out and check out this book it is an amazing book I’d say that I and you did it in a nice sized print so that even like me I
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can see the words yes Wow and so but this book to me represents like you just sharing in your stories you our life seems that it’s so full and rich well we’re going to take a break for some of our sponsors and supporters and then come back for another while and we can talk about things we’ll kind of lead wherever it seems like you’d like to talk about Jim I’m here with Jim Loomis a man extraordinaire who is I want to say a mentor I don’t think I you just sort of are there because of just who
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you are I really thank you Jim and thank you for coming here to be part of this show let’s see what they got in store our current main sponsor and I don’t think it was mentioned at the beginning is David Bryan who is my actual brother who is you know he built a school from the ground up for people that didn’t have the money to get a good private education in Los Angeles new roads and he’s also our brave new films you see them out there kind of investigating challenging issues so we come from the same cloth you and I
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on yes my my um my ex-wife or Diana doll and six other girls started Island School on Kauai that has become the like deep hole of Kauai and there is a new book on it on it called the boyars voyageurs i think yeah well we’ll talk more about it when we come back see you guys hang wrap we’ll be right back to zone with me Jason Schwartz would like to sincerely thank David Bryan for his support David was founder and head of school at new Road School in Santa Monica California and as the board chair
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have a different character Who am I speaking to now oh this is our centaur boo ah welcome to our show zantar yes [Music] you want to continued you put on your your outfit you’re welcome to zantar when I first met zantar it was years ago in fact it was in Kihei and you were writing a book in fact you were with a lady who who was just so excited to be with his aunt our and your writing was very prolific some of that’s in this book that’s how did you yeah they should end yes yes no there are several so it
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is my surfer there because this this is uh this is honoring is there a surfer right here you made on your skin no no it’s it’s oh there he is yes now he’s there okay well it slowed ups as he’s manipulating his hat there’s a little surfer he’s now those are yous there is okay the turn ahead a little bit just to see that our camera can see it yeah okay we’ll take picture afterwards it post it so zatar you obviously have changed wardrobes or head your headdress and whoops fix it
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you used two ends be comfortable you want to wear it you’re welcome to okay yeah well I’m having this Janet Jackson a little wardrobe malfunction oh yes it is yes and this is not deep comb-over you understand this is the double beard dreaded volcano very for all hours pillow aliens here or we’ve had so much damage – there are homes on the Big Island so we are in sympathy and and supporting as best we can those wonderful people they lost their homes Kilauea lava flows I was just looking at
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to see why it was popping okay well Santa how are you unique or different or maybe you’re not and then our last guest Jim Loomis how are you different than him I know that zantar if I slow down enough to go backwards I come to understand that I that somehow involved with a man in the trees from a different era and actually Tarzan is that right yes that’s the origin of the name percent are I was performing at a wedding and and in which we drove off that could be Kings pool cliffs and a four most stupid students that died wait
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wait you you are you came from civilization to the jungle you’re a bath backwards Tarzan you are zantar hail zantar and and we jumped off and that’s how I became an attendant are yes well you what are you doing in the you did that in the pools and jumping in the pools but you also diving in the ocean with dolphins has that come about yes I when I would row to Catalina every every summer in the summer of 55 there was the last world fear spear fishing championship where people would come from all around the world and and spear
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and the local fish and America had decided we’re never going to support this again this is the last opportunity if you want to see a America is not going to sponge or such a thing that wipes out the old the old fish that keep the you the desire via vile spear of Vikon so they decided to stop spearfishing and start using nets and get them all yeah how ridiculous right she’s like like that and and during that that time there was a an anchor dragged out to sea and a storm that was a hundred and eight
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feet deep and and I swam down and attached a line to it so it could be salvaged and that’s how I became the Deep Diver of Catalina Wow mm-hmm when dolphins weren’t there though that was it so different episode oh yeah but but the Dolphins would come by every every day and I was at the Isthmus of Catalina and Emerald Bay and they would come come by so they were my mentors and just swimming with them every sin daily and showing them how deep I could go and there were lots of deep divers from
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around the world down with that must have stunned the Dolphins because they they came in to where they’re usually leaping and playing they saw all these people at depth and stop and just coasted and I went wow this is going to be some part of my future I had I had gondor’s up in place in telescope vote palos verdes called the glass church there in the palace Verdes California peninsula yeah and and there was a SeaWorld about a half a mile away and I had gone to see their their performance what was happening and at
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one point you see you heard dolphins imitating humans doing really a good job and I couldn’t believe my what I was hearing and I raced downtown downstairs to meet the dolphin trainer his name was Chuck Loomis the same as mine and I felt like oh this is going to be big in my life somehow and and it turned out to be and then then John Lily wrote the book man and Dalton in in the 16 living in st. Thomas and and having a a dolphin live with them swimming around on the floor mmm and so we became friends I’m in his book
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called the possibility of communicating with other species and for many years and so when he came over to Maui he walked down to to visit me in my readouts and then in this beautiful natural place I had the first piece of land that I bought was was they it pretty much a picture what was on page 72 of the Loomis family in America it was the most complete genealogy in America at the time but this and the dollar to place that is that you see on in debtor very much like Downton Abbey shows a gay cliff where
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the water or the river turns and would flood flood the encircled land opposite that would make him very fertile and so I was always been looking for that situation where I could have fertile land and I could and and it really you could see that the the writer and the painter of the picture it was in England fences and you could see that they were in love but they’re very stone in the in the pools and then and the depth of the pools and so I was so I found this in my first place that has deep pools
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waterfalls was a great spice though is it’s a great spot yeah something so I forgot Zen’s gonna go back and you think get married there that’s what he wants to do yes yes he has a wonderful wife to be Amanda fantastic yeah I can’t believe that all those years ago and he was one years old that yeah that to me is it says so much you know so much has happened since that in my life and your life I keep you know I haven’t really been tracking it when I looked at Facebook and I thought United species
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there’s gotta be Jim Loomis tell us more about what you’re doing now and it’s all ties together in just an incredible life you’ve you’ve been living yes I ate course at the University here that I called sacred geometry of the Ola verse and during that time welded the last day of the class I just dismissed the class and a guy stands up and says everybody sit down and a couple of people just sprinted out of the room thinking all trouble stole rays or something was going on and he says I
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just flew 2,500 miles to see if this man would dare reveal the secrets of the Brotherhood he has and then he went on to talk about himself that he is the new tribal chief following his mother’s death of the land this around Springs and for many years I had gone out to this Nature Boy colony where the guy that rode Nature Boy Eden avez-vous would come and so he taught me to play the uke and I sang this on all over the world there was a a very strange enchanted boy they say he wandered very far very far
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over land and sea a little shy and sad a vine but very OTT was who was he and then one day that magic day he came my way and as we talked of many things cool fools and kings as he said it to me the greatest thing you’ll ever learn is just to love and and be loved in return and so I’ve kind of taken that inspiration of Eden all bells around the world as best I could well just even in your delivery now and how much it still moves you yes is you know genuine you know beingness is a you know anxious yeah you’re genuine loving
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and caring for everyone or all species so what does united species is it a group is it’s something we all pledge our awareness of or sequela it is chapter 41 in in in the book okay if so maybe we should let people get it and find more of the book but it’s the United species org is that you have an email even there yes uh-huh Loomis at the United species dot org if you want to get in touch with me and I mean a lot of people know about the United States that which is pretty disunited it was it was eleven countries
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that were warring one another so the United States was never very you United but and there’s another place called the United Nations and they’ve had a little trouble too and were right in the middle of seemingly an autocrat taking over democracy or making his move and every day I have been watching TV TV I’ve never had a TV before but now I feel like this is this is a very high drama every day as it goes back and forth and anyway now I think that it’s even more significant hearing it from you in this way it’s
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it’s drama is driving him have you know I think that the deeper thing is is the the what does the name of the of the guy that owns Fox News Rupert Murdoch yeah yeah recently we we learned that it’s just him following the money and that’s kind of what has happened there’s even even things like United citizens who United do nothing about uniting civil the citizens there it’s United corporations and so we’re in the middle of a attempted of taking a hold of a takeover by a very specific moneyed
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selfish group yeah yeah but we’re we’re up for the task aren’t we yes we are we are for the task and more people like yourself and the leadership that you’ve been able to just your beingness that to me is where your leadership is just being you is inspirational to many in our community and a world I’m real glad to be here and talk about your book because you know everything about you you know I think I start to get a little like a babbling kid but you’re just a wonderful guy you know I remember the
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first time you said to me sing that one again well you were encouraging me to sing we are the world oh yes let’s do it I mean I I want to hear it well you know I have a bit of a call today but I’ll give you you want to hear a little bit yes I do I’d love it there comes a time when we heed a certain call on the world comes together as one there are people dying and it’s time to lend a hand to life the greatest gift of all we can’t go on pretending day by day that someone somewhere will soon make a change we are
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part of God’s great big family and the truth you know love is all we need we are the world we are the children we are the ones that make a brighter day so let’s start giving not giving there’s a choice we’re making we’re saving our own lives it’s true we’ll make a better day just you and me you know that is a song for all ages so long ago was written and created with an inspiration that we still hold in our hearts we do and and no where were you when you first heard that song oh boy I was in I was in
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Hollywood actually I was in music business of all things and I thought that was a really wonderful thing for these guys to be coming out with a song so you know USA for Africa then they did another one Ken Kragen new gang organized at all was a manager for a few people we all know Neil anyway we go off into a tangent here but yeah but that inspiration will you at the first circuit we are the world you hear at Maui already yes yes I was over in Spreckels Ville and I heard the song and okay so I broke down into tears
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but they got it so right the first time yeah you know and we still are here to carry that flag yes had to share the message so that someone like mr. t I shouldn’t say mr. t anyway and so that poor nice guy that played the heart mr. t mr. Trump and whatever his intentions are can’t take a hold when we all are together United in loving and helping each other yeah I think they got it right so I always feel good whenever I see you I think of that song whenever I think of that song or sing that song I think of you what it
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always inspires me Jim well you all have always inspired me Jason there’s just a wonderful beautiful man to be with and I can look at and everything about you and your wonderful woman yeah arm I know I’ve been an aerial now this is 25 years so maybe not a lot to some but 25 years is a lot of time for me I ran for mayor 25 years ago as the Green Party go yeah what a different Maui would be if I was sitting in the driver’s seat huh but we’re still here government there’s only I think they should be doing the things
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that we want and the things that we can do in private sector that the government can say that’s a good idea let’s see here’s how we can help you make it better that’s government to me yes yes I came over with in 69 with a little from a little map from mother all they were seeking a hundred acres and now they would use it and I was I had that in mind and that for a while I thought I might go to these ice shelves because there was a 500 acre coconut plantation for sale for $50,000 and my mom was had
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just died and left my sister and I I have six Union unit apartment house and so I thought well maybe I can do this and so I came over to Maui flew into two you know I came in into the Big Island not going to Betty law and went to the University there and said I’d like to teach a half time and artificial intelligence if if it’s not too far away from Kealakekua Bay because what is that beautiful little song there okay Alec okay I want to come back to my little grass Shack in Kealakekua Hawaii I don’t
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know I was thinking of weather whoo whoo yes whoo I’ll go swimming by yes well we sure had a stilted view of Hawaii that didn’t we it was a look yeah and I think it’s like a we uh when I was born there were to be two billion people on earth now there’s about four times that much and I read a book called overshoot and wandering one of my friends read some of the professor’s to me the other day and he said oh shoot it’s over over surd I thought that was up pretty much we will
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see you know when you overshoot there’s only one thing I know and that’s somehow those people don’t you know continue I mean the changes that are happening you know seems like the world this is the world itself is saying too much too much have you know anything we’re doing is gone get those numbers down something that will survive no sorry we are part of that / group young but I’m hoping because we’re all we’re almost feeding everybody at almost 8 billion and so they I don’t think they anybody would
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predict at that time that we were going to be able to feed this many people but now you know he’ll see where the future grows I think there’s self sustainability you know to be able to feed yourself as a group or as an island yeah says we can feed all those people but it becomes a matter of if everyone has love and helping each other as part of their mantra so that all aspects of our life get fed and we can live in peace in some way yeah change something better than it is now yes Anaya when I dropped out of my PhD I
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went to all my professors and said I really love what you’re doing and I’m gonna be following you from the outside and try to contribute to see into your field and during the PhD I was in a four-story place called the Mental Health Research Institute in Ann Arbor and the top floor was all the people involving the UN and conflict resolution well we’re gonna believe it or not Jim we are only 45 seconds from the end of the show we had just been talking I hope you’ll come back and please be here with
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me again God loves you would love to have you back I everyone I guess you know this is Jim Loomis I’m Jason Schwartz our just went by oh just like amazing Jim thank you for joining us here it’s been a pleasure I hope you’ll be here again you are the best I have nothing but suppose and I feel the same for for you mr. Schwartz ha ha mr. Lewis it’s been a pleasure we will see you again and we’ll see you again here at the neutral zone check out Maui neutral zone common seat again
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