Jason Schwartz & Jimmy Kimmel Live! God & Science & Kimmel’s Unified Field Theory 2013- Kimmel is the founder and lead pastor of the Religion of Jesus Church and 44 year student (2013) and teacher of “the Urantia Book”, which can be found at http://urantia.org Kimmel resides in Maui, Hawaii and has recorded 20+ interview shows with Schwartz.
Summary & Timestamped Transcript
Introduction and Context
Jason and Reverend Jim Kimmel introduce their ongoing series exploring the Urantia book, noting they have completed 15 shows with audience engagement and plans for live call-in sessions. They highlight the use of portable, high-definition video technology (an iPhone) to facilitate interactive dialogue, encouraging viewers to submit questions and contributions easily via video. The current date is late July 2013, and they preview an upcoming celebration on August 21st, marking the birthday of Jesus, which they assert is different from the commonly believed December 25th.
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The Birthday of Jesus and the Myth of Mithras
Reverend Jim explains the historical confusion surrounding Jesus’s birth date, rooted in the contemporaneous Mithras mystery religion, which claimed Mithras was born from a rock on December 25th. This date was adopted by some early Christian traditions, contributing to the December 25th celebration. He contrasts this with the Urantia book’s revelation that Jesus was actually born on August 21st, 7 BC, a date adjusted using corrections from calendar changes over centuries. This segment emphasizes the distinction between historical facts and mythological traditions, highlighting the spiritual nature of understanding truth beyond visible evidence. -
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Personal Spiritual Journey: From Christian Upbringing to Atheism and Back to Faith
Jim shares his personal story: born into a Christian family (Assemblies of God Church), he initially believed but later rejected faith due to contradictions between church teachings and observable facts. The church presented him with conflicts between literal biblical narratives (e.g., Creation in seven days, worldwide flood) and scientific understanding, often discouraging questioning. This led to fear and confusion, eventually causing him to abandon belief in God and become an atheist by age 14. However, he retained a deep, unconscious aspiration to embody the spirit of Jesus, which laid the foundation for his eventual spiritual reawakening. -
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The Concept of Universal Brotherhood and Spiritual Liberty
Jim and Jason discuss the idea that all people, regardless of religion (Muslim, Jewish, Christian, etc.), are branches of the same spiritual vine originating from God, citing Jesus’s metaphor of the vine and branches. They stress the importance of embracing Cosmic identity—recognizing mankind as brothers and sisters in a spiritual family. This knowledge liberates individuals from ignorance, fear, and falsehoods, echoing Jesus’s teaching that “the truth shall set you free.” Spiritual freedom is distinguished from physical freedom, focusing on liberation from sin, evil, and deception through knowledge of divine truth. -
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Early Life, Education, and Discovery of Hawaiian Roots
Jim recounts his childhood on a natural farm near Canton, Ohio, where he developed a love for swimming and nature, serving as a personal ecosystem laboratory. His swimming talent led him to join a high school swim team and eventually Ohio State University, where he pursued higher education without a clear academic focus besides continuing swimming. A pivotal moment occurred when he visited Hawaii in 1955, drawn by the idea of studying marine biology and origins of life. He met and married Cordelia Elizabeth Weard in 1957, later discovering through the Urantia book and Hawaiian Queen Liliuokalani’s story that his wife’s family was historically linked to the forced abdication of the Hawaiian monarchy—an unexpected personal connection to a larger historical and spiritual narrative. -
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Academic Focus Shift: From Natural Science to Nuclear Ecology
Jim explains his transition from botany to ecology, emphasizing ecology as the study of the interrelatedness and sustainability of all life forms within ecosystems. His advisor’s involvement in studying the environmental impact of nuclear weapons testing introduced Jim to radiation ecology. The 1954 Bikini Atoll nuclear test, which caused extensive fallout and ecological damage, became a focus of his research. Here, Jim deepened his commitment to understanding factual, scientific reality—recognizing that the creation of atomic bombs was based on solid scientific knowledge and not fiction, reinforcing the importance of truth in understanding the universe. -
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Teaching Experience and Educational Philosophy
After leaving government research in 1967, Jim moved to Marin County, California, and began teaching high school. He observed students were disengaged with traditional education, focused instead on counterculture interests (e.g., music, marijuana). He radically changed his teaching approach to a Q&A style, encouraging students to explore fundamental questions about existence, the universe, and reality. He guided students through concepts such as the four dimensions of reality:
| Dimension | Description |
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| Physical | Material, tangible universe |
| Intellectual | Mind, thought, knowledge |
| Spiritual | Spirit, unseen realities |
| Personal | Personality, identity distinct from mind or matter |
Jim’s classes explored Einstein’s Theory of Relativity and Unified Field Theory, aiming to explain all physical phenomena through one equation, but he struggled to conceptualize how the intellectual, spiritual, and personal dimensions integrated with physical reality.
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Encounter with God Through Mathematics and Spiritual Insight
A breakthrough occurred when a new friend, an IBM mathematician, helped Jim understand that God can be represented as “one equals infinity”, an absolute singularity ancestral to all existence and the ultimate source of will and reality. This realization marked a transformative moment from atheism to belief, as Jim recognized that the divine was not external but within himself and all people, mediated by the Spirit of the Prince of Peace. He describes this awakening as a profound expansion of understanding and spiritual identity, aligning with Jesus’s teaching that no one reaches the Father except through the Son. -
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Introduction to the Urantia Book and Its Significance
Shortly after this epiphany, Jim encountered the Urantia book through a friend, discovering a comprehensive document that transcended contemporary scientific knowledge and provided deep insights into the nature of reality, God, and Jesus’s life and teachings. He was struck by its detailed account of Jesus’s birthdate, life, and spiritual significance. The Urantia book is described as an epical revelation, a monumental and authoritative source of spiritual and cosmic knowledge authored by superhuman beings. It enriches and expands biblical narratives with detailed explanations, making it a vital resource for those seeking truth beyond traditional religious texts. -
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Five Epochal Spiritual Revelations and Cosmic History
Jim outlines a framework of five major spiritual revelations to humanity over the past 500,000 years, emphasizing the progressive unveiling of divine truth:
| Epoch # | Event/Entity | Approximate Era | Significance |
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| 1 | The Sangik Family | ~500,000 years ago | Origin of six colored races of mankind |
| 2 | Arrival of the Planetary Prince | ~37,000 years ago | Superhuman administrator overseeing planetary evolution |
| 3 | Adam and Eve | ~37,000 years ago | First physical superhumans, failed mission leading to mortality |
| 4 | Mesec (Mesc) | ~4,000 years ago | Divine Son of God, emergency bestowal to uplift spiritual knowledge |
| 5 | Life and teachings of Jesus | ~2,000 years ago | Final bestowal and spiritual revelation for world salvation |
He explains the Lucifer Rebellion, initiated by the system sovereign Lucifer, who denied God and caused a spiritual quarantine isolating Earth and other worlds. The teachings of Mesec and eventually Jesus worked to restore truth and cosmic connection. Mesec’s role as the Prince of Salem and mentor to Abraham is highlighted as a critical turning point in recorded history, influencing all major religions.
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Invitation to Engage and Future Vision
Jason and Jim invite viewers to explore the Urantia book more deeply, offering contact information for questions and emphasizing its universal appeal beyond religious boundaries—Jewish, Christian, Muslim, or otherwise. They stress the message of Brotherhood of Man and the search for truth as a unifying, powerful force. Upcoming events include the annual August 21st celebration of Jesus’s true birthday and ongoing efforts to reinstate the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, a mission Jesus began but which was interrupted by rejection and crucifixion. The Spirit of the Prince of Peace is presented as the only reliable path to achieving world peace, eradicating hunger, fear, and division by embracing our shared divine heritage as Sons and Daughters of God. -
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Conclusion
The hosts express gratitude to the audience, emphasize the joy of sharing these teachings, and sign off with Hawaiian aloha, reinforcing the spirit of peace, unity, and ongoing discovery.
Key Insights and Conclusions
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The Urantia book provides a detailed, cosmic spiritual history that complements and expands biblical teachings, offering precise historical corrections such as Jesus’s birthdate (August 21st, 7 BC).
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Spiritual truth transcends religious dogma and is accessible through personal revelation and the Spirit of the Prince of Peace within all individuals.
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Humanity is part of a universal spiritual family, interconnected as branches of one vine, irrespective of religious or cultural differences.
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The search for truth is fundamental to spiritual growth and liberation from ignorance, fear, and false beliefs.
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Five epochal revelations have progressively unfolded divine knowledge to humanity, culminating in the life and teachings of Jesus as the ultimate spiritual bestowal.
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The Lucifer Rebellion and subsequent quarantine of Earth explain the current spiritual and societal challenges humanity faces.
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Modern science and spirituality are not mutually exclusive; rather, scientific understanding (e.g., Einstein’s theories) can be integrated with spiritual insights to form a holistic worldview.
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Education rooted in truth, inquiry, and open questioning is essential for awakening and empowerment, as demonstrated by Jim’s innovative teaching approach.
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The ultimate goal is to reestablish the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, embodying peace, unity, and abundance for all.
Summary Table: Dimensions of Reality
| Dimension | Description |
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| Physical | Material universe, matter, energy |
| Intellectual | Mind, cognition, knowledge |
| Spiritual | Invisible spiritual realities, divine presence |
| Personal | Individual personality and identity distinct from spirit or matter |
Summary Table: Five Epochal Spiritual Revelations
| Epoch | Event/Entity | Timeframe (approx.) | Role/Impact |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Sangik Family (Rainbow Races) | 500,000 years ago | Origin of human races and diversity |
| 2 | Planetary Prince | 37,000 years ago | Superhuman planetary administrator |
| 3 | Adam and Eve | 37,000 years ago | First physical superhumans; failed mission |
| 4 | Mesec (Mesc) | 4,000 years ago | Divine Son of God, upheld spiritual truth |
| 5 | Jesus Christ | 2,000 years ago | Final bestowal, spiritual salvation |
Additional Notes
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The video transcript contains rich personal narrative blended with cosmological and theological exposition, emphasizing experiential knowledge and ongoing revelation rather than static doctrine.
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The Urantia book is portrayed as a living document, inviting continuous study and spiritual growth.
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The discussion bridges scientific concepts (ecology, nuclear physics, unified field theory) with spiritual realities, reflecting an integrative worldview.
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The presenters encourage community participation and dialogue, highlighting an inclusive, interactive approach to spiritual education.
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e aloha aloha everybody I’m Jason and this is Jim Reverend Jim Kimmel we’ve been here discussing among other things the Urantia book and the Urantia book we’ve had 15 shows I guess now we’ve had lots of comments from many of you out there and we hope to get some more comments and questions very soon we’re going to have live call-in talk show that we want you to be part of um the most important thing I think that’s happening today is we are celebrating the new technology the camera that is being used
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for this show is portable technology in fact it’s an iPhone you know High defin video is here and so we now know that our interactivity can be easy and many of you out there I’m sure we’ll get submissions from you to be part of what we’re doing as easily as picking up your phone and doing a video blows my mind some my amazing stuff thank you for joining me here today pleasure thank you today is oh where are we Late July of 2013 right in a matter of maybe 23rd or 4th 23rd today so in just less than a
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month about a month’s time on the 21th of August we’re going to have a celebration a celebration of the birthday of Jesus some of you out there may know why on August 21st and others may say what what we thought it was December something we had different shows and we talked about mithis like who some of you know that mythis was uh another Spiritual Awakening guy way back in Iran and uh that was at the time and there was some confusion of Celebration and so U but I’m not the one to be telling you this is all I’ve
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learned because I’ve spent really a nice time speaking with uh Reverend Jim Kimmel has been a good tell us that story if you can in a nutshell the story of the fact about the birthday of the birthday of Jesus yeah um again the in in the times of Jesus um mithis was one of the mystery Cults it was a mystery religion in other words mythis was born of a rock and that’s a mystery how anybody gets born of a rock anyhow that was the that was the Superstition of the day and anyhow he had a battle with the son God and so
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forth and so on he ended up becoming the one of the most popular uh religions of the common people during the times of Jesus and he was supposedly born of this rock on December 25th while several Shepherds out in the field were attending their flocks and so the stories of mythis and the Mystery of the birth of Jesus because nobody KN knew then or very few now what the actual factual date for the birth of Jesus was relative to today’s time so um and we could only find out these kinds of facts and if it were something
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that was revealed to us from the world that’s invisible to us which is most of the universe we’re in a material universe and we’re looking spiritual in a spiritual Direction and it’s all invisible to us at this point except to the mind that recognizes it and the ears that have uh something to hear with so that’s what it’s about we’re talking about the things that are visible and the things that are invisible as it relates to the facts and the truths of Life on this planet which is
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extraordinary in today’s world when you all get better acquainted with the actual factual understanding of the knowledge of the history of our world you’ll just be amazed just amazed well that’s that’s a side subject but I think very important one you were uh atheist for a while I guess you went from a Believer as a what a a Christian or I was my I was born into what my mother was into my mother was into uh the Assemblies of God Church in Canton Ohio I see see he went from there
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through a process and really scientist where you came to not believe in God to where you went through a whole process and then scientifically arrived at God yeah I don’t know if that’s a short story well that’s that’s pretty close it’s SP it’s uh it’s like uh U when I was a little boy about six years old I had to have my tonsils taken out and I didn’t know anything about anything anything at the time CU I’m only about 6 years old so they put me out with ether and so I’m under the influence of
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this ether and taking out my tonsils and and I come to my mother’s there and she’s all worried wondering how I’m doing I my eyes oh my I want to grow up and be just like Jesus that’s what I said to her oh I was S I could hardly talk but that was the that was the most important choice I ever made in my life because it gave I I didn’t realize I had the spirit of the Prince of Peace within me I had no idea I had the fragment of the will of God within me but I made the choice to want
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to grow up and be just like Jesus okay so now um we’re getting pretty close as far as we can become one with him in spirit and purpose relative to the will of our Comm father what he taught in his ministry after the resurrection he said that which the world needs most to know is men are the sons of God and through faith they can actually realize and daily experience this ennobling truth so now knowing that’s what’s most important for us is to recognize the fact it’s our Cosmic identity we’re all
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brothers and sisters in the world Brotherhood of spiritual of the spiritual family of God the first worldwide web not to be confused with the we we use Vale you ever heard of Vale Vale Vale v remember Jesus told the story about the vine and the branches yeah he I’m the vine you’re the branches so okay since the day of Pentecost that’s why it’s been on this planet everybody that has come into existence on the vine is one of the branches on the vine of the time so in the times of the queen of
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Hawaii she was on the vine now it’s us and so forth and so on so like doesn’t matter whether you are Muslim or Jewish or we’re all we’re all branches on the same body right catch that such a concept we all kind of know that but this really you kind of knew anyway but the Urantia book was really a pathway that’s what I’m best understanding the church I grew up and scared me out of believing in God I mean it’s you know I mean it was just it was too scary and besides U we’re dealing with facts you
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know information the church I grew up in presented me with the with the Dilemma of of choosing between fact and fiction did God create the heavens in the earth and all that in seven days or not is it a fact or is it a belief a fictional belief based on a lack of knowledge in those days 2,000 more years ago was there a worldwide flood or not so every time I ask questions I didn’t quite get answers and I was told not to ask questions and the law of the universe was you receive so I was being stifled by my
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Sunday school teachers and scared by the preachers I mean every time I go swimming out my dad’s lake I’d be fearful the second com was going to take place because the whole world was going to all the water was supposed to turn to blood and it was it was crazy you know literally so as a consequence of that my experience as a young boy in the church I grew up and I came to the conclusion they may know Jesus but they they believe a lot of things that aren’t true and it’s a fact I I can’t do
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anything about it except that’s a fact and and it doesn’t make us any less equal or less loved by God is just about facts versus fiction we have a divided Brotherhood of the people of the world on Earth and in Hawaii Hawaii is a good microcosmic example example of the bigger picture throughout the United States and the world we’re a divided World we’re a divided nation we’re a divided State we’re a divided Kingdom spiritually because we don’t know the true facts about the most important
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things in life which includes God Jesus the devil Satan and so forth and so on and when we know the facts hey then you’re free of question and you’re free of the lies you’re free of the false answers you’re free truth is liberating Jesus said you know the truth the truth set you free free of what you don’t know free of what you may have believed to be and wasn’t so it’s all about Liberty getting the more truth you know the Freer you are of the influence of evil and sin and iniquity on this
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world so and not necessarily in any way on the physical no no that’s big thing we all or many people pray and tie it to their Earthly Treasures their Earthly lives when in fact here’s our link to being part of God like you say a splinter as we sit here as we sit here as Jason and I sit here right now we’re we’re the same thing you are U what’s true for him is true for me is true for all of you and it’s like um the spirit of the will of God was is within Jason the spirit of the truth of
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the Prince of Peace is in in Jason and I and you so as we talk to one another the questions may or may not be inspired by the spirit of the Prince of Peace or not whether it’s us or him doesn’t matter when you’re one with him in spirit and purpose relative to the will of God you’re one with him in other words you can represent him because you know him well enough to do so you can represent body you know and I know Jesus he’s not only Jesus Jesus is dead but the Prince of Peace is not dead his Spirit of Truth
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is in each of us and he is The Sovereign creator of our universe Michael of nebadon and these are facts that can be uh learned by everybody it’s it’s it’s new knowledge new information we’re in a new world we’re coming from a world from way back up into the world that was made possible by the life and teachings of Jesus without his life and teachings we would be two ages or more behind where we’re at today because of the life and teachings of Jesus on this planet he made it
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possible for his Spirit of truth and the will of God from the father of us all to come live in the mind of every human being born since the day of Pentecost on this world so we’re actually in what’s known as the post bestowal Sun age and like I said we’re two ages ahead where anybody on a normal world would be and at the same time we we’re beginning at the beginning of our Lives as a little one each of us go through all these different ages that that are between the age of the planetary Prince
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and the age of the postp Sun and we’re talking these words um may or may not have too much um May not have understanding but some of you have been following your Rancher Ur n TI a.org you go there you’ll see there’s a book or you can actually get a book a physical book but your Rancher means Earth and this book uh has quite a long history and many people have said well you’re talking about Jesus and yet you’re talking about something before Jesus after Jesus what Michael there’s a lot of detail and with
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some of our shows you’ll see some of it and I know that Jim here will talk in a moment about it but this is for your exploration and the thing that I think is so powerful is it’s a subject that’s very personal it doesn’t matter I mean people are concerned that someone might know that that they’re reading this book because it’s not uh the Bible yet it’s talking about the same thing it’s and it’s very very very much more satisfying than the reading of the Bible that I’ve done is a
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lot more detail just like if you really like to know what’s in something you delve deeper this is really exciting it really fleshes out a lot of the things in the Bible this is this is one of the greatest gifts we could have ever possibly been given and it’s coming from God and and been enabled and made possible by The Sovereign creator of our universe as I say he’s the prince of peace and his Spirit of Truth is in us he made this book possible so we could begin to get acquainted with The Facts
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of Life not only on our world not only on our world but throughout the whole universe our father has given us an epical revelation of knowledge and wisdom and truth that so far transcends the best that you could ever want to learn in any of the universities on Earth it’s all here in one book and it’s a it’s we’re dealing with facts and that’s what’s going to save us from the consequences of 200,000 years of rebellion on this planet against the will of God and the law of the universe but this is part of a
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bigger picture which will you know um Reverend Jim here is you’re jumping ahead of him I think that I want to make sure that that chain of story because you’re talking like religion yet you came from a place where you gave up religion so that’s an interesting trail that you got back to where you are now from the times of my it must have been about 12 13 14 14 is the latest I’m sure uh by that by that time I was that’s when I I decided there wasn’t any God because I had too much proof that I had
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been lied to and mistaught and I fig well if they lied to me about that they probably lied to me about God’s PR maybe there isn’t any God maybe there’s telling me a story to keep me in control get control so I decid well okay I’ll go if there is a God I’ll discover if there isn’t as far as I’m concerned there isn’t in God and then your your interests I know you on the swim team and I know you inv in study of Science of Botany and physics right and took a I guess you say career
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paths well I was I didn’t know it see what I was doing I was acting out the consequences of having made that choice I want to grow up and me just like Jesus well that meant I had to get myself a good education in facts I found out going from elementary to high school oh you get you get a few facts you’re more than the church got more facts there than the church so I was I was having more fun learning from what I was getting out of high school and grade school than what I was getting out of Sunday school come to me I didn’t
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like to go to Sunday school because uh they weren’t they weren’t they weren’t ringing my truth Bell yeah so um anyhow I drifted away and finally made up I made a choice a whole heart of choice to to become an atheist and and that was the mistake I threw the baby out with the bath water so to speak I didn’t realize it then but of course I didn’t know it then I that that the spirit the truth was in me and he never left me I may have abandoned him but he knew I didn’t really mean to abandon him
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I was leaving behind me what I didn’t like about the Christian church I grew up in it wasn’t good enough to believe in it’s that simple it scared me I didn’t want to have to believe all this stuff about doomsday and everything it was too frightening it was too unreal so what what got you back to uh to looking at all this again well the farm I grew up on my dad’s Farm 10 and some Acres of natural beauty in in outside of Canton Ohio near a little town called Hartville in my dad had three Lakes on this farm
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so I had a lot of time to swim and play in The Lakes and it was like a laboratory my my dad’s Farm was like an ecosystem it had all kinds of land animals and water animals and birds and everything there everything was like a magnificent ecosystem in a little microcosmic sense and that’s what I was immersed in all the time as a kid it was Heaven on Earth to me so like uh I got it because of swimming because of the fact that I was a good swimmer U just from having grown up there uh one of my dad’s friends asked
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me if I ever thought about getting on the swimming team at McKinley High School in C Ohio I didn’t know the head swimming teams and so I said yeah well that sound like fun he took me and introduced me to the coach I was about the seventh grade so I after after I was through going to Country School in Hartville I’d hitchhike down about 13 miles to Canton and go swim with the swimming team from the high with the high school swim toam work out try to get used to it right so when it come time to go into the ninth
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grade I was going to transfer and go down to McKinley High School so that was the only High School in C Ohio nearby that had a swimming pool let alone the team I see and so but we had we we had swimming Meats out throughout we got to travel a lot that was one of the nice things I got to see the state of Ohio my parents couldn’t afford to take us on trips but I got to take a lot of trips around the state on these swiming things and see lot of country every year the championship the state championship in
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Columbus Ohio at Ohio State University in Ohio State I come to discover was was the University where the best swimmers in the world were swimming and had been swimming and so I started to become friends with swimmers from Hawaii in the mid-50s Bill Smith Ford Cleveland yesterday CLE all kinds of Brothers anyhow uh when I finished high school the natural place for me to go after high school was to Ohio State right because of the swimming I didn’t know what I wanted to get into academically I had the Fest
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idea all I knew was I wanted to keep on swimming okay so my friends and the team I take him up we go up to my dad’s farm and go hun rabbits and peasants and bring them back to Columbus and have fix for and then they came well you got to come out and see our place so I came out and visited out here back in 1955 for the first time out here to Hawaii yeah and so here you are and now where did you come upon the book you know there you are you’re out swimming you’re at Ohio State you come and
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visiting here yeah well um u i was because I was an atheist was trying to figure out where did it all come from where did the life on this planet come from it got to come from somewhere everything’s got to come from somewhere so like uh I think well life must have started in the ocean somewhere on Earth way back when here’s Hawaii out in the middle of the ocean they got a university maybe they got something going in that area where I can investigate U Marine Science marine biology Marine origins of life stuff
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like that so like I came out for that purpose after summer school in Ohio State the summer of 56 and uh I just got a private pilot license from Ohio State Aviation school so being Dicky leave my buddy we flew from aahu over here to Maui one afternoon Ted this little airplane for about 8 bucks an hour didn’t even have to pay it for the time it sat on the ground over the weekend just tachometer time only wow it was I bet it’s more than eight bucks an hour now wait wait wait yeah anyway where were we you were coming
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over with anyhow the University of white didn’t have what I was looking for and spirit of Truth led me to dis ReDiscover a nice young lady that had left a year before Beauty as a matter of fact to the max anyhow I met my connected with my wife to become and we started going together and So like um as I increasingly discovered that the University of Hawai wasn’t what I didn’t have what I was looking for talking over with my lady we decided Well maybe I ought to go back to Ohio State and keep going in the direction
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where I had discovered B was the most basic science I could discovered and discovered that the study of plants You’ never guess it but the study of plants uh helped educate me about myself I mean everything about plants is true for animals and so I didn’t even know that we had been evolved from Plants until I started getting into The Facts of Life as it were beyond the knowledge of my parents and their relatives and others uh oh so feu 20th 1957 I married uh Cordelia Elizabeth weard and she was a real Beauty
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anyhow uh I didn’t know it at the time she didn’t know it at the time her mama didn’t know it at the time I didn’t Discover it until the time I read this book haai story by Hawai Queen Le colani in January 1973 on Kawai and and what I discovered in reading this book from the Queen’s story was that my wife’s great grandfather was the lawyer as Harwell who drew up the papers of abdication that she was forced to sign under threat of Bloodshed and and that just blew my mind I had no idea there was such a skeleton
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so to speak in the closet you know of the family tree but her mama my mom my wife’s mama she didn’t know how Haw came to be part of the US it was just something nobody ever talked about you would just went where it was and the details weren’t discussed and if if they were known and uh I mean my boys my children’s our children’s Grandma grew up as a little girl on the M Ranch her dad was a ass Heartwell son Charles Heartwell so um so I’m still tying it in so you discovered your tie in with the the
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Kingdom of Hawaii and through hardw and is that what got you looking at I’m trying to see where you came to grip on to looking more at religion and really go go back onto the path back we have to backtrack a bit okay see we’re talking 70 73 on between 69 between well the big turning point in my life the what do you call him Epiphany the the the major accomplishment of my life occurred in sometime in March or February Fe I guess it was February of 1969 okay now what this was all about had to do
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with uh again I had I was being led by the spirit of the Prince of Peace I had to go through all these gauntlets of life and areas of education and experience in order to set myself ultimately free from the limitations I’ve imposed on myself to be an atheist which I didn’t know I was doing but of course like I told my partner here the other day I man I’m sure glad you had charge all much better program than I was looking for so any uh uh science I mean this February 69 ecology ecology the word ecology I
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discovered the word ecology when I was studying botney in in undergraduate school in in all the different areas of boty ecology was the the section that I’ve identified most with because of the natural circumstances of my dad’s Farm like I say it was a little micro ecosystem and here I’m now studying ecology and ecosystems of the world on a university level and everything at home is beginning to make increasing sense and understanding because I didn’t know the facts then ecology is different than
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botany botany is a study of plants ecology is the study of Home Eco ecology the word ecology is derived from the Greek word o i k s o EOS world so ecology is the study of our world and everything on it how it all relates and interrelates is sustainable in itself it’s a system of everything that’s interrelated and dynamically interdependent much like your farm was yeah that MMO so here you are studying ecology and I’m still looking to see when you’re reaching out to read and find I’m still
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looking for where everything come from see the I’m learning the facts of science I have to learn the facts of science to understand facts that go beyond fact of science you weren’t looking at religion you were looking at facts of the last thing I was thinking about was God or looking for God I didn’t know I was searching for God I had no idea my quest for truth truth was my quest the truth is what ring my bell the truth is what satisfied me and made me happy and every time I discover the truth I Happ I became
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whatever it may have been but I didn’t know that the truth I was experiencing the discovery of Within Myself was coming from the Prince of Peace his Spirit within me and within each of you is the source of all the truth that we discover relative to all the facts that we discover there’s a truth for every fact this so This Book I’m here I am I’m going back to your trying to keep you on the target here are in February of 69 he now studying ecology had been significant things happening in your
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mind well I ecology led me to again in 1955 I got to go back one one because my advisor who was one of the best ecologists in the world was called to Washington DC to testify of the US Congress as to the eal obstical effects of nuclear weapons testing on the environment he told a mayor 20 years late asking the question changed the whole ecosystem of the world and he had no regard for the consequences and we have no before to compare the after two I can’t answer your question we don’t we have to assess what we can assess
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based on what we find out from this point on so from then on the government began to get funding outward to the university to start doing basic research on this Frontier of radiation biology radiation ecology Marine so uh I mean I was I um because of what I was researching in undergraduate school I discovered that on March 1st 1954 the United States government had detonated a 15 Megaton bomb at bikini atall and the Fallout covered ronel at and part of UD at and bunch of Japanese fishermen and it was
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devastating anyhow that’s what got me into the frontier of radiation ecology what one of the effects of nuclear and ter nuclear weapons testing on the environment I said hey Dr W my my advisor I said my God rul ball unfortunately is the most perfect lab to go to or area to go to to discover what we don’t know about whole here’s a microcosmic ecosystem land plants animals people land fres everything all interrelated and terribly contaminated so that’s where I went from my graduate stuff and again I didn’t
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realize I had to get into nuclear stuff because I had to become aware of the facts of of physical reality you can’t make an atomic bomb out of fiction as bad as they are and as crazy as people are that said well it’s about you can’t build a in set up unless you are working with facts because fiction don’t put them together and set them off so um and and the facts at that point in time was I I didn’t know that I was searching for the source of Truth nor the source of facts nor the source of uh
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intellectual reality I had no idea but uh so now we go ahead and time so you you got into study of nuclear and now time is evolving am I will I get to I I I I quit working with the US government in 1967 um from the Nevada test site and uh uh moved up to the Marin County area of California and U at that point in time I was in a very State of Mind and Spirit and and uh was looking for a whole new beginning so to speak I broken up with and divorc with my wife and and uh I had no idea if I was going to be able to
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make it or not I was really out and down so to speak so I I had a chance to start teaching High School in Morin County and and that experience was the first kind of experience I had had with any kind of thing going on in the outside world outside beyond the confines of the test side or secret places and all that so like uh all and what I discovered from this experience was that the kids weren’t really there to learn what they were supposed to be learning they there to talk about what was interesting to them
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that happened to be marijuana and drugs and music and stuff like that so like uh uh when I had this program I’m supposed to be following for as a teacher so so finally the summer of 1968 I guess it was I had a chance to teach us a class of uh Bright Young students in class of anthropology and we did a dig on a knw walk Indian mountain twice a week and in the course of that time the kids uh would roll up some joints and and turn me on we smoke some joints and get into this dig so uh I decided as a consequence of the
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that experience of those students that summer I was going to change my whole approach to to education and so by the time school started that fall I told all my classes look at forget books uh you don’t have to do homework you don’t even have to be here if you don’t want to be here but if you’re going to be here this is a question and answer class a whole different thing and so like I I I figured if I could if I could share with these young people the essence of everything that I knew to be true and
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factual then we’d be on the same page of understanding is the more faction know the more you can understand and so forth and so on so um I started we started a process of of of a whole new approach by my asking my students in each of the classes uh one day at first to second day class as well is everybody here yeah they didn’t quite know what to say or what to do everybody here yeah we’re here I said which is where which is where yeah where are you say we’re here I’m asking you where is
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here where is here oh room 13 which is where oh nevado high school which is where oh Marin County California oh which is where the United States oh which is where oh North America which is where the planet Earth which is where the solar system yeah yeah everybody agree agree which is where in the Milky Way galaxy which is where in the universe Now where’s the universe somebody say it’s everywhere I said is it infinite yeah it’s got to be infinite okay well that’s where here is we’re here in an infinite
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Universe we all agree all on the same page then I asked okay what are the things that make up the universe what is the universe made of what are the things what’s it all what’s you say we’re in a universe what’s the universe consist of so they gave me words and I wrote them on the Blackboard until the Blackboard was full of words words words that describe this is what the universe is made of folks everybody agree yeah we all agree as a class as a group this is where it’s at we’re all we agree on all
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this so then we start looking at the words kind of focusing on these words oh they don’t all mean the same thing and they don’t my God some of them describe different dimensions of reality even so to speak so by analyzing the grouping of these words we discovered four major dimensions of reality and physical intellectual spiritual and personal those are four dimensions of reality personality is not spirit is not mind is not matter is not these are facts about our life and ourselves just because that’s you
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examine yourself or you examine the whole it consists of a grouping of facts that are interrelated that R understanding make sense and so forth and so on a revelation self- understanding selfrealization so forth so like U by mid November of 1968 I had all of my classes at at that point in our discussions where we were into Einstein’s U concepts of Relativity we went into General and special relativity and we were in the field of unified field theory of relativity in mid November 68 U perfectly aligned with the
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elections after a hot political summer in Chicago boy that’s wow about all that that was all going on at the same time time all kinds of so they are you studying field Theory unified unified field theory that Einstein had left unfinished he spent the last 17 years of his life searching for an equation he call it the unified field equation Einstein said this equation will will reveal the will explain the existence of everything everywhere to everyone ever more so that’s this is about as basic as
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you can get to be able to explain the existence of everything everywhere that’s big and he died searching for this answer he was no he was searching for this searching for this he was he was he was working for to discover how he could explain the existence of everything with one little equation E eal mc² course’s fam for having been that what that says in shorthand is that everything physical in the universe is all a manifestation of one thing physical energy pure undifferentiated physical
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energy at base level exists as light so like uh E mc² makes it possible to manipulate and transmute and transform the energy of matter so you can make bombs anyhow U and more it it was an explanation of the universe it’s excuse me its application that was the biggest proof when when they shot the first bomb off of in New Mexico that was proof ofal mc² on the scientific LEL so like uh because of that fact they knew they could really go further and uh so uh Einstein was searching for this this equation equation to
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explain the the why and how of everything in the universe right so like I had I had taken my students as a group of class up to the edge of his Frontier and my friend here were they were coinciding I mean as an ecologist I was I I knew I knew everything that Einstein was talking about I read all his scientific things and so for and so on so like and the kids were following with you right yeah the kids were all together right we’re all together seventh eth nth grade kids 10th high school high school okay high school kids
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uh and so like u u then what happens is the the principle at the school doesn’t like my style of teaching there’s 15 or 20 kids extra in every period of every class I had and they didn’t BL they wouldn’t go to the other classes they were getting off on learning the facts and truths of life so make long story short I didn’t know it but the my principal was conspiring with the police to ins snare me in a conspiracy that they created involving one of the young ladies of the high
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school who had been busted for something and they were using her to try to U transport marijuana to me call transporting narcotics the using miners to transport narcotics I was looking at 10 years to life in San Quenton really literally in 1968 because my principal conspired with the police to set me up so he could get me out of his high school because oh something radical was going on children were learning and getting off on it and was uh different and so for but hey that’s what it’s about live
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and learn and uh one way doesn’t work try another maybe there’s better ways to do everything so here you are in the middle of so this mid November 1968 so by the end of the year 1969 I’m into fin got into position where I could start writing up a paper a scientific type paper having to do do with what was happening with me and my students as an educational experience on the frontiers of educational reality so to speak and so I I wrote up a thing that got me to where I was at with the
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kids when I left off and I just kept on going with the questions and answers and getting the questions and answers and so forth and so on until finally I was I had it all figured out except one thing and I was having a hard time visualizing how three great dimensions of of universal y three infinite Dimensions what would they look like before they were three infinite Dimensions where did these three infinite dimensions of physical intellectual and spiritual reality come from and that’s like I say mc² explains
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all of the physical but he had to explain all of the other two Dimensions plus personality is another dimension as well that that I hadn’t integrated at that point in time I was it was on the table I just didn’t see it so one day in U pen gr California where we were living at the time I got a knock on the door and friend I just met recently popped in smoke a joint talk story and see what’s happening and uh turned out as coincidence apparently had I didn’t realize again the spirit of
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Truth does all this all the coordinating of these different branches of the vine in in theale we forgot about Vale see V Vale is a message direct from the principes to you through the vine the vine is in every Branch so if you get some Vil any revelation of Truth is a flash of V mail you run the truth bill you get new truth so here you are friend came over friend comes over who happens to be a mathematician in the Research Laboratories for IBM in San Francisco the Bay Area there and so we get talking
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about my thing with the high school kids and Einstein stuff and up I met with all of my research so I’m going to laid out on the table all spread out and we start looking at stuff together tell this where I’m at blah blah blah so I finally got to that one last one I was telling him I have a hard time figuring out what it would look like where there were where these three infite dimensions were were one and so like all of a sudden he looked and he said well God one equals infinity and here I was an atheist face
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to face with an assertion of fact about God coming from a mathematician I just recently met in my whole thing as an atheist my was it was it was doomed was gone it rang my truth better Lou than anything had ever rung my truth Bell in all my search for I had discovered God within myself I didn’t quite get understand it at the time but I had found God within myself because it it had it had to have been revealed to me and to him by the spirit of Truth in both of us like there’s Jesus taught no
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nobody gets to the father except through me I didn’t know he was in me I didn’t know the father was in me I didn’t know the spirit of the son was in me and all I knew was I was looking for truth I wanted to know where does it all come from it all ended up it all comes from one equals infinity and that simple number one is the absolute Singularity it’s an infinite absolute Singularity which is ancestral to everything in Infinity everything and everybody and it is the will of God so the will of God is the absolute
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of all the absolutes in the source of all the relativities in the infinite Universe we’re sit in and and I went from being an atheist to being a Believer a theist instantly I mean and my head was like a slot machine paying off in Vegas for about a week or so in all these facts of life that I learned were all of a sudden getting new meanings new values I see a bigger picture wow getting better getting a bigger view a broader view a wider view deep getting a god side view and I didn’t realize all these
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things were developing within me in response to my searching and seeking for knowledge and wisdom and truth because I wanted to grow be just like Jesus and I still didn’t know who he was really I had heard about him and read about him in the Bible but I I met him when I had my Pils taken up I learned more about him beyond what I had learned as a kid in church from this this book you so when did this book come into your world uh about about a week or two maybe after finishing this unified field
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Theory uh one of my friends who knew who frequented my place enough to know where my head was at he says hey man listen to this and he had a copy of the ranch book and he’s reading something from paper titled energy mind and matter and and I’m how how can that be imprint that that’s information that that transcends the front tier of scientific reality as I know it and understand it and yet it had to be true it was and so like all of a sudden I’m face to face with where did this come from what’s
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this all about what what what’s going on here see here was a paper explaining the things that you were theorizing on or already in print yeah it was beyond general knowledge of most scientific Frontiers that I was aware of in those days so like uh uh I I started looking through the book and and uh uh I get into the back of the book and it’s all about the life and teachings of Jesus and I’m reading about Jesus and getting acquainted with him because I didn’t know anything about him
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other than what I’d heard about him in in Sunday school the teachers in Sunday school didn’t know any more than what they had learned from what they had read in the Bible whatever version it might have been that they read from right so all of a sudden here I’m reading about the life of Jesus oh wow his birth wow August 21st back to where we started August 21st Jesus born 7 BC when you make it take into account the the changes in the corrections in the different calendar systems that existed between the factual
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actual day of his birth at that point in time until today was is u in the DAT the anchor point in time right now is this book is uh a gift of AD 1934 so from 1934 until now or back till when Jesus was born uh it turns out to be U August 21st 7 BC so in August 21st 2013 that’s the 2020th birthday party right see how we came to that and so then you were starting reading the book that was somewhere like 69 so here you are 44 years later you’re right yeah 44 years been reading the book and there’s
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all kinds of conversations this is not something local right meaning you’ve been it’s local to you you’ve been reading it for 44 years and sh and probably have um thousands of people many thousands around the world the understanding of this has been an ongoing Revelation I’ve read this over and over and over and over with so many people so many times and every time you learn more truth is a growing reality Living Truth is dynamic it’s growing so like as a spiritual personality we can feed our El the
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knowledge the truth the wisdom and and we can grow we can become robust Souls so to speak because of the spiritual intake of the knowledge and information and truth that we’re getting relative to the facts and truths and and ideas of life I think you’ve heard me say that this uran book sort of like reading War and Peace because it’s such a big book a big book yet it has a little bite at a time um for someone looking at it for the first time any thoughts on what’s a good way for them to jump in and find something
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so they don’t get overwhelmed with it well uh you can open it literally you can open it anywhere and and and guaranteed there’s going to be something there to excite your your your imagination one way or another guaranteed is just the quality of the language is so good and so pure and so true it’s extraordinary and this book is an extraordinary book because it is authored by superhuman beings and this is extraordinary this is not an ordinary kind of a thing this is an epical revelation of God this is the
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same thing Jesus was in his day and age Jesus was an epical is an epical Revelation this book is an epical Revelation epical meaning of of stature of significance that we’re talking about yeah well like there are geological epics you might sayar with like the major epics of geology the Mississippian devonian Solan all the Cambrian all those those are different epics okay and within those epics there are Heros so now an epical Revelation on a spiritual Sense on a on on a spir on the spiritual
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level of facts of of reality uh we’ve had five ethical Revelations U given to this world from the time of about 500,000 years ago the human race had been in existence for about a half a million years and then there was this family the sangik family who were in The Highlands Northwest of India uh this one family began to have children who who turned various colors of the rainbow when exposed to the ultraviolet rays of the Sun as they grew up so this family had about 17 children as I recall in total and some of them
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were red some were orange some were yellow some were green some were blue some were Indigo so these were this family this one human family of the precolored race of mankind that had been around for a half million years uh uh gave rise to the six colored races of our world obviously some of them are in existence anymore but again that’s another part of our story having to do with the history of our world U then then say about half million years ago the first epical revelation to our world was the arrival of the planetary
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Prince the planetary Prince of our world is the is a superhuman being he’s of the order of the L de sons of the local universe and they are the administers they are the administrators of individual worlds they are they are present on Earth as representatives of God serving the of the evolution of man establishment of civilization so that’s something that um they like a planetary father that may be a concept larger than we can grasp but okay at this point so then the second the second ethical
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Revelation to follow the first was the arrival of Adam and Eve about 37,000 years ago okay now uh between the time of Adam and Eve’s arrival and the arrival of the planetary Prince has nearly half a million years so uh 300,000 years into the normal administration of the planetary Prince and and the evolution of man everything’s going fine then the Sovereign of the of the of the of the system of Worlds that our world is a member of The Sovereign of the system that we’re part of was known as Lucifer and
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Lucifer came to the conclusion in his mind that there was no God just making a long story short yeah and Lucifer instigated what became known as the Lucifer Rebellion with his Declaration of Liberty a couple hundred thousand years ago so we can’t really understand the history of our world without having some knowledge of these great events that took place in the past because they’re so integral to the to an understanding of the present way before Adam and Eve way before and Adam and Eve were
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physical beings they were physical beings and these other beings Lucifer for example they were all Spiritual Beings were Spiritual Beings see so these are concept we many of us need to grow into right yeah new knowledge new information so there’s first second what’s next so Adam and Eve were here Adam and Eve were here and they were they were if they had done as they should have done they would still be here as our visible superhuman planetary rulers as it were but because of not doing it that’s where their mortality
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came in they defaulted on their mission after 10 and some years and as a consequence they were reduced to the status of human beings and they lived to be a little over 500 years of age and then they died a mortal death so now then they were then following Adam and Eve about 4,000 years ago the third ethical Revelation King and that was meent of mesc and 4,000 years ago is just about the time of Abraham it was exactly in the times of Abraham that mesc bestowed himself as an emergency son of the local
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Universe to um uplift the knowledge and understanding of God on our world because our world had been chosen by the creator of our universe our older future brother to be Jesus see before he was Jesus he’s the he’s The Sovereign creator of the universe and he chooses this world to experience the experience of his final bestow in the life of the creatures of his world now why would I have heard about Abraham and then the subsequent epic pistol epic with um Jesus Michael right so why was it that suddenly the world picked up
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awareness of Abraham I don’t think very many people know of mesed yet that was the he talk about in the Old Testament Hebrews and some of the books the old Bible talk about know he’s the the prince of Salem I see a lot of times they his he the voice of God that Abraham is talking to it explains it in here okay yeah it explains it in the youran book yeah the whole story a regular Bible I’m always curious where does you know when I was a little boy and I went to I was Jewish you up and in my Sunday School Saturday
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school we learned about Abraham from the city of ER and and his experiences with God but the God then was through the representative the being noised and that’s being opened in here that’s very interesting so that’s where suddenly like recorded history in my mind began that’s where I recorded and revealed history have a very obvious beginning the times of Abraham and mesc are extremely significant relative to today’s world because mesc was a Divine Son of God here on a mission to uh keep the light
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of truth from from being extinguished before the Creator appears to Incarnate as a human being he didn’t want to in a world where people were completely blind and had no idea about God so like as a consequence of of the teachings of mesc he trained hundreds and thousands of teachers and missionaries who went to all the inhabited world of those days and years and and brought new word of God and truth so like uh he was a major had a major impact on the spiritual environment of every religion that now exists in the world all Got
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Roots to mil when we see that Abraham had words and influence from MEC he was not only not the only one he was one of many thousands probably in throughout the world so there were many religions and many well was the world was pretty dark in those days because of the fact that we were our had been put into quarantine all the all the circuits had been severed there was no sign of being connected to anybody anywhere else in the universe we were isolated all the worlds that joined this Lucifer bind became
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isolated and quarantined and remain quarantined until the son of the order of of Jesus um Paradise Son of God shows up and and starts to set things straight there a lot to grasp I imagine that many of you out there would like to get some hands on the book and uh see more in detail and ask questions of Jim Jim you don’t mind I give you your email address right now you’ll see it at the beginning or the end of the show Peace p a c Inc i n c at Maui maui.net if you have questions or comments please feel free
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to contact Reverend Jim you know I am uh always excited to see that people it’s like unpeeling of an onion I know that’s what happened with me you know I started talking to you about it and unraveling things and unveiling things and I easily and quickly got past me being Jewish or not and see people that are Muslim that are sharing and reading with you and Christians and people that have you know not even disclosing doesn’t matter what they are but there’s a real clear understanding of the
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Brotherhood of Man and um a real search for truth it’s a very powerful thing you’ve been a really important Catalyst thank you for all that you’re doing oh pleasure it’s it’s a joy to be able to share all this with you oh I got off a little on a tangent but this is all starting from August 21st birthday of Jesus coming up soon and uh if you miss it this time we’re going to have 202 first and many of you will be joining us we hope that um what you’ve seen here today was of
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interest and you’ll share with others and get back in touch with us one of the things we’re I’ve been working on has to do with reinstating the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus started back in his day but which failed because he was not accepted his teachings were rejected and he was killed so the kingdom as Jesus tried to had failed but he can now help us reinstate that very same Kingdom in our day and age as a service to us because he needs us as much as we need him if we all want World
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Peace So this the spirit of the Prince of Peace is the only sure and safe way to get to the actuality of the fact of and the existence of world peace where every man woman and child on Earth nobody goes to bed hungry nobody goes to bed scared it’s like there’s more than enough here for everybody and we’re all Sons and Daughters of God it’s a big family so let’s take care of one another as a member of a big Divine family that is such a powerful message in the world that we live in where we
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see lack we see people hurting uh it is clearly you know that’s part of the it’s more than a responsibility just comes out as part of who we are I hope that all of us will be more in touch with that and jump into getting more and more in touch what we’re doing here we’re very happy that you joined us today we look forward to seeing you again I look forward to seeing you again yeah for sure it’s always a pleasure inde much aloha aloha e
