JohnDeRuiter John Lives Truth 1995

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        JohnDeRuiter John Lives Truth 1995- Airielle attends a workshop which leads to an interview with JOHN DE RUITER hailing from Alaska and the North, who shares his wisdom on good living and spiritual truths he holds sacred. A gathering of students have formed around him

Summary &  Transcript

1. • [02:57 → 06:51] John De Ruiter’s core teaching centers on the concept of “being” without trying to be somebody or maintain an ego or identity. He emphasizes living comfortably as “nobody,” free from attachments to career, status, or societal roles, which he describes as “wonderfully shallow.” This state is about simply living without complicating life with egoic demands and identities.
   • [06:51 → 10:25] John does not present himself as a teacher with a fixed message but rather occupies a space where truth can emerge naturally. His presence invites people to explore their own truths rather than preach doctrines. He views his role as holding a space for authentic being that bypasses personality and societal conditioning.
   • [10:25 → 13:13] He relates to people beyond their personality by seeing the deeper being beneath, valuing them unconditionally and bypassing superficial interactions. This approach allows a connection with the “higher person” or essence within, rather than just the personality or ego.
   • [13:13 → 19:01] John’s journey began about 20 years ago with an unexpected internal awakening marked by a spontaneous flow of joy originating from inside rather than external circumstances. After this awakening faded, he endured profound suffering and darkness, ultimately surrendering to the pain by accepting it unconditionally rather than resisting or trying to fix it. This surrender led to a spontaneous return of inner joy.
   • [19:49 → 22:40] His work with people evolved organically over 11 years, growing from intimate, unstructured interactions rather than formal teaching. He neither prepares nor scripts his meetings but simply “shows up” and occupies a space, allowing the experience to unfold spontaneously.
   • [22:40 → 28:43] A hallmark of John’s gatherings is silent “being together” where no words are spoken. He sits with groups quietly for extended periods, connecting through presence alone. This silence is not emptiness but a powerful energetic space where people experience profound internal shifts, often described as altered states of consciousness.
   • [29:21 → 31:50] John describes this process as simply “being reality.” His ability to connect arises from living honestly in the present without egoic defenses, much like the uncluttered presence of a baby. He compares this energy exchange to a scene from the movie “Cocoon,” where energy flows invisibly but powerfully between beings.
   • [32:32 → 34:19] People who come to John often experience radical letting go of their belief systems, identities, and internal psychological structures. Initially terrifying, this surrender leads to discovering a “pure liquid moving form of unconditional love” that was always present beneath the fear and ego structures.
   • [34:57 → 37:05] Among the many who attend, some return “home” to the innocent, uncluttered state of being like a baby, while fewer go deeper into that state, and very few surrender unreservedly. The process of letting go of identity and ego is difficult and can feel like falling into an abyss, but it ultimately frees one from internal struggle and disconnection.
   • [37:51 → 42:59] John clarifies that “going home” means returning to a state of being free from wants and needs—living in the present without attachment to external satisfaction like relationships or possessions, which are fleeting and often cause pain. True intimacy and satisfaction come from beingness itself, not from external sources.
   • [43:40 → 45:46] Though John’s work shares similarities with other spiritual teachers (e.g., Gangaji), his unique contribution lies in the experiential aspect of “being” without an agenda or formal teaching. He emphasizes direct connection and presence rather than intellectual instruction.
   • [46:29 → 48:45] John’s goal is not to help or fix people but to dismantle illusions and false identities, which can be destabilizing but necessary for authentic living. The process may “ruin” people’s comfortable illusions but leaves them with themselves—raw, vulnerable, yet free.
   • [49:29 → 51:36] The foundation of John’s teaching is radical honesty and unconditional surrender to what is true, even if it disrupts ego, relationships, or life structures. This honesty reveals core truths beneath surface issues and allows one to live authentically rather than cope or control.
   • [51:36 → 54:59] John teaches a transformative approach to pain and suffering: instead of resisting or trying to fix pain, one should accept it completely and unconditionally. This includes mental, emotional, and physical pain. Acceptance creates an inner space where pain can coexist with peace, rather than being an obstacle to wellbeing.
   • [53:43 → 54:59] Physical health care or surgery is considered “wonderfully shallow” in this philosophy—useful but not tied to inner peace or identity. Inner peace is not dependent on external conditions being perfect.
   • [54:59 → 57:28] John encourages people not to take life or themselves seriously but to value moments of clarity that bring newness and openness inside. Being gentle with yourself rather than hard or serious is essential for authentic living.
   • [58:50 → 59:41] John’s work is freely given on a donation basis, emphasizing that it is not a commercial service but a shared experience of presence. This openness reflects his non-attachment to roles or outcomes.

Key Conclusions

1. • [04:42 → 05:34] True being is not attained by striving to be something or by accumulating egoic identity but through radical letting go of all learned beliefs, identities, and desires. This letting go allows one to live simply and authentically.
   • [18:02 → 19:01] Surrendering unconditionally to pain, suffering, and emptiness without resistance is a profound spiritual practice that leads to unexpected renewal and joy. Trying to fix or avoid pain only perpetuates suffering.
   • [24:41 → 27:23] Presence and silent connection without words can be more transformative than intellectual or verbal teaching. The energetic exchange that occurs through authentic being can elevate awareness and open new states of consciousness.
   • [33:44 → 34:19] The deepest fear in spiritual awakening is letting go of all that holds one together internally. Yet, this surrender reveals the underlying unconditional love and true nature that was always present.
   • [39:53 → 41:49] The pursuit of external happiness or satisfaction is futile because true satisfaction arises from unconditional contentment and acceptance of both joy and pain alike. This requires relinquishing the need to control or eliminate discomfort.
   • [48:01 → 48:45] Spiritual awakening is not about comfort or safety; it involves dismantling illusions that protect the ego, which can feel destabilizing but ultimately leads to authentic living and freedom.
   • [51:36 → 52:24] Radical acceptance of present reality, including pain and discomfort, is the key to inner peace. This acceptance is not passive resignation but a conscious choice to allow what is, freeing one from suffering.
   • [57:28 → 58:50] The only thing worth taking seriously is genuine clarity and insight that leads to openness and newness inside. Life and self should be approached with gentleness and humor, not rigidity or harshness.

Important Details

1. • [03:40 → 05:34] John insists that “being” is not something to be achieved or wanted; it emerges naturally when one stops trying to maintain ego or identity. This is a paradoxical state reached by non-striving and complete letting go.
   • [06:09 → 06:51] People find John’s words profoundly moving because they resonate with a deeper awareness of self beyond conventional identities and societal roles.
   • [14:48 → 16:15] John’s initial awakening was spontaneous and not sought after; it lasted about a year and brought immense internal joy that was not dependent on external conditions.
   • [17:01 → 18:02] The loss of this awakening led John into intense inner searching, mental and emotional turmoil, and darkness, which he ultimately accepted without resisting.
   • [19:49 → 23:26] John’s gatherings sometimes involve long periods of silent sitting with groups of up to 100 people, where no words are spoken but a deep energetic connection is formed through his gaze and presence.
   • [26:05 → 27:23] John’s presence creates a non-threatening pull that allows individuals to gradually reveal their true selves, akin to a dance or ballet moving toward connection without pressure.
   • [31:50 → 32:32] People report experiencing colorful energy flows, altered states, and profound internal experiences during these silent sessions, sometimes likened to drug experiences but naturally occurring through presence alone.
   • [34:19 → 35:46] Some attendees return repeatedly to deepen their experience of “going home,” yet only a few fully surrender their identities and completely rest in that state.
   • [37:05 → 39:53] The constant seeking of external satisfaction (cars, relationships) is a cycle that never satisfies because the true source of intimacy and contentment is the beingness inside, not external objects or people.
   • [43:40 → 44:19] John’s approach differs from traditional spiritual teachers by emphasizing being present and available rather than teaching or guiding through concepts. His gatherings are more about shared presence than instruction.
   • [51:36 → 53:04] John’s view on physical health is pragmatic: care for the body in a neutral, “wonderfully shallow” manner without expecting it to be the basis of inner peace. Surgery or medical intervention can be done without attachment.
   • [54:21 → 55:34] Acceptance of pain also enables acceptance of joy because both are transient and neither can be truly held onto. Clinging to happiness creates fear of loss, which perpetuates suffering.
   • [56:12 → 57:28] John returns regularly to Maui by invitation and offers his work on a donation basis, underscoring his non-commercial approach and openness to all who wish to experience his presence.
   • [59:41] Although the interview focused on spiritual themes, there is curiosity about how John integrates his spiritual insights with family life and personal roles, indicating a broader human context beyond the teachings.

Transcript

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00:02:57 – 00:04:19here from edmonton edmonton canada edmonton canada coming all the way to maui for more than just a vacation you’re going to find john rather than me telling these folks out there who you are maybe you can give these people an idea of who you are and why you’re here take it from there i’m here just uh an invitation from the last time in february of uh just being with people talking about what is true what isn’t true what life is what it isn’t and how to be have to be that’s an interesting00:03:40 – 00:05:20statement so how would you say how to be happens how do you be how do you be how do you be um by living in a space where one isn’t trying to be something um not trying to be a somebody trying to maintain something but just being comfortable with being nobody that that has nothing and there’s no identity to maintain not an ego to protect being comfortable with the simplicity of just living not making the not making the shallow deep that all sounds great but it also sounds really tricky in how to00:04:42 – 00:06:19get there i mean how do we control these egos and our tremendous desires so many people have especially in this western world and how do we get to that point where we’re just wanting to be nothing how does one get there not by wanting to be nothing or wanting to be but by letting go letting go of everything that we’ve ever learned letting go of our beliefs letting go of our morals our internal psychological structure letting go of everything that holds us together that defines who we are00:05:34 – 00:06:39so it’s not using our career to identify what we are or who we are but then a career is just something that we do and it’s something that’s wonderfully shallow and we’re not making it more profound than that so we we’re not a somebody in it now i don’t know how many of you out there he just said living and having a career that’s wonderfully shallow now that’s an interesting concept john is here because a number of people from what i’m understanding found what00:06:09 – 00:07:27he was saying to be very profound and moving them toward more awareness of themselves and their concept of just being of not see how i’m doing they wanted to understand how you’re able to live your flyers live live in truth leave your truth and the words that you speak have been shared with people we were coming back again i know later in the year people are here to more than enjoy your words to experience you as a being and to experience your words in a way some would say like a guru i know that00:06:51 – 00:08:09you’re saying here i’m not here with any message that isn’t just an expression of the truth how do you define uh what you’re doing with people here are you here to teach them a specific message are you here to let them ask you questions and such i’m trying to come to grips with it when i um i have experienced you in the past meeting you very nice guy you know go out on the beach and take a swim like everyone else and you have a whole life and a family back in canada so many would say this sounds like a great00:07:32 – 00:08:48paid vacation to come to maui and have an experience with some people i think it’s terrific and um so i’d like to somehow get a feeling for um what it is that you’re here for i mean i know you’re you’re trying to share something if are you trying to teach are you trying to be available so people glean whatever is important to them i’m trying to come to the concept of what it is that you’re teaching is it truth in general someone’s own truth experience an environment that there’s00:08:10 – 00:09:45something that can raise up in them to be more full in who they are how’s that for a real straight question it’s what i’m doing is occupying a space that is really completely different from anything that defines that’s definable in society it’s not a space defined by any any kind of comfort but it’s a space that it’s a space that we all come from as a being it’s the same kind of space that that you see in a little baby that is uncluttered by learning and and ideas and norms and what ought00:09:00 – 00:10:16to be and what could be and what should be and what was that shouldn’t have been and what was that i wish was different i’m really saying like i’m looking out here and i’m thinking that my audience or our audience is wondering why are you here with us on tv you’re here to express because we brought you here right to our show who you are and why you’re here and and somehow the next time that john is here we’d like to have people come and see you and share with you i’m sure that there’s a00:09:43 – 00:11:05so many different cultures and ideas on this island and an audience that comes from so many different places like you say you’re sharing something that isn’t uh conventional where there’s lots of uh attachment and deepness tied to things that are shallow things that are relatively unimportant in the scope of where truth lies so i’m i’m wondering do you um do you meditate or you do anything differently about life than others or uh no i don’t meditate i just completely live life00:10:25 – 00:11:46but i live in a space that is it’s it’s not a space that’s seen it’s not a space that you can hear it’s not a space that you can touch um it’s seeing the insides of people seeing who they really are and bypassing the personality not not being in relationship with the person’s personality but meeting them and valuing them loving them and all of their stuff then is just bypasses and it’s not in the way it’s not being a personality that’s interacting with another personality00:11:13 – 00:12:36it’s a being that’s recognizing another being beneath all of the personal constructs personality so actually i think what you’re saying is that you’re seeing the higher person the higher god in each person and bypassing the personal the personality and the shallow is the word that i know you like to use and i enjoy that as well so when when he’s talking about the shallow it doesn’t mean what we would generally think is shallow which is we would go oh well that’s very00:11:54 – 00:13:18shallow but when john is teaching at least my experience of him has been when he’s talking about the shallow that the shallow for his teaching basically means that everything it is not important this whole existence this whole existence you know it’s really not important it’s all just opportunities for us to have experiences and grow in our lives and who we are to recognize to come to remember and recognize who we are is that this whole existence is just a playground of expression for you as a being instead of00:12:35 – 00:13:49an existence where um person of as an ego is there to to conquer and to control and to get what they need and get what they want well i i really do understand what you’re saying because i’ve spent really my whole lifetime and consciously the past 20 years devoted to this type of work so i i have an understanding of that and for myself i know when i’ve tried to move beyond personalities and lose all the personalities and who i think i am it’s been a really interesting experience and i’ve00:13:13 – 00:14:44come to a place even now where somebody says who are you and i go well i’m really nothing and nobody you know except that i’m god you know that higher self within me so i think that for a lot of people like yourselves out there that’s pretty difficult concept to understand in a five minute conversation but i know john has worked really also a long time with getting to where you are so why don’t you if you would give us a little bit of background in how you came to these understandings and00:13:58 – 00:15:25what your process was to get to the point where you are now you know i know you spent a lot of years and i know you have a family too that so you’ve had a different life you’ve had a different kind of life as well so could you tell us a little bit about how you got to where you are in the back and the time period behind you well it started about 20 years ago where i got a taste of like like an internal awakening and it lasted for about a year and it was just the most incredible newness inside that i wasn’t looking for00:14:48 – 00:16:10i didn’t know that it ever existed i wasn’t wanting it it just happened and then once i tasted it and lived in that for a year and then left and i had to find out what is what is the source of that what was that like that internal awakening how did how did you recognize it as an internal awakening it was experiencing a flow of joy and enjoyment that wasn’t based on anything on the outside it wasn’t based on doing something or trying something or doing the fun thing it wasn’t based on00:15:32 – 00:16:45anything in my life it’s something that originated on the inside and it just kept growing it’s like these flowers would just bloom from nothing from the inside out and then it would show on the outside it never occurred to me that something like that would ever end once it had started and it’s like well this is utterly new and it’s you don’t have to do anything wow that sounds really beautiful as you were saying it my heart was going yes i’m blossoming flowers and after a year00:16:15 – 00:17:42when it left which was a tremendous surprise i can imagine then i became very miserable because without having that life wasn’t worth living i knew that that held the meaning of life that’s why we’re here but once it was gone it’s like well what was it where did it come from what is what’s the source what is what is truth how do you find it so i ended up doing everything i could on the inside to find that which was like turning myself inside out mentally and emotionally and went to an incredible depth inside00:17:01 – 00:18:39to try and uncover that source and i couldn’t find it which was very disconcerting it was extremely extremely painful a lot of agony a lot of darkness and after about two years i let go of needing for that to change that’s a big one isn’t it i basically made my home on the inside in the midst of pain and suffering and darkness the absence of light not being happy being tormented and having lost something that was like a value of like an eternal value and allowed myself to be unconditionally00:18:02 – 00:19:47content with not having it not ever getting it and having his worst replacement darkness and unhappiness and discontentedness and being lost that’s pretty hard to do i mean it has been for me so i i really honor your ability to do that did was it i mean you just stepped into it and said it’s okay i i in a very warm and tender way i just let all of that be okay forever and it was a genuine letting go of ever needing to get it back ever needing to be happy and to my complete surprise it was like a return of that flower that00:19:01 – 00:20:21just responded just came right out from within that dark and painful place and it was a surprise because i wasn’t expecting it i was letting it go for good there was no thought of maybe doing this i’ll get it back what was happening on the outside i mean from my understanding that search was a deep search versus a shallow but what was happening in the shallow world when you’re going through that kind of deep just working spending time with people although when i would spend time with people the only00:19:49 – 00:21:08thing i was interested in talking about was was the search talking about truth what it is what it isn’t um just working and living a life but on the inside these these huge wheels were constantly turning and digging deeper and deeper and deeper and there was no stopping what got you what got you into this position where people obviously for you being here people have been so moved through conversation with you and through interaction with you that they’re drawn to hear you tell them i’m sure you didn’t00:20:29 – 00:21:52have anyone guide you in your search for this piece this this and i wished but i couldn’t find anything or anybody was that part of your motivation and minimal innovation is that part of how this developed i’m wondering how it’s so developed that people have given you this ability to speak your truth and i mean that sounds like a great job it sounds funny but have someone fly it to maui three times a year to talk to a group of people i imagine for public consumption and maybe another question00:21:11 – 00:22:33where when someone has no awareness of where you’re coming from or has not been any kind of search for their lifetime they may or may not understand how someone gets to where you are now which is you’re here and speaking to people and and uh interacting with them in such a way that they want to share with you and it’s not a word i think the word is uh you have devotees you have people that are recognizing that you are a vehicle for them to find their own truth is that what’s happening00:21:52 – 00:23:28how did that happen that started 11 years ago and has slowly grown and developed so now i’m traveling more and so on but it’s still just being with people and it’s not there’s not an agenda or a form i don’t prepare for any meetings i don’t study and read and put a script together i basically just show up and do what i do so you were interacting with people and more people were coming and they started taping you and they started saying come on john come to this and that kind of a thing kind of00:22:40 – 00:24:07grew out of uh interactions with people i understand you have a quite a large group of people in canada where you live that have come there to be with you to be and uh one of the things that john does that’s really very beautiful is that he does sit and he just bees with you and so there is no conversation in that part at least that’s what i’ve experienced with you um and and that’s a very unusual thing to do for someone to be able to hold that kind of audience where nobody’s saying anything you know00:23:26 – 00:24:38it looks rather it’s rather humorous on the surface yes it is on the surface one of the first meetings in another city calgary first two hours there was nothing spoken nothing said nothing qualified just sitting there and i was just connecting with people as a being meeting other beings and there were here’s a group of about 100 people that had been there for the first time but it was interesting to just watch that because 100 people are sitting there completely quiet they’re not fidgeting00:24:03 – 00:25:16they’re not scratching themselves they’re not getting up going to the washroom they’re not leaving they’re just sitting there completely utterly and completely there and yet nothing’s happening so it’s a strange thing to see because what’s what’s happening in the people aren’t getting frustrated that they’re not leaving well you know when you say nothing’s happening nothing’s happening to for our human personalities i think a lot is happening um john has an incredible sense and00:24:41 – 00:26:09power of love as he sits there and he also has these beautiful incredible eyes that move across the audience and connect with different people and as he does that people are very touched many times in their hearts and who they are so that’s part of that beingness no words are spoken and yet a lot is happening there’s a lot that’s happening right inside for people um what i’m doing in that that silent time in gazing at people is what it looks at so it’s what it looks like for myself is it’s like i come out as a00:25:29 – 00:26:38being i come out of my body and it’s there’s a it’s like a ballet you know i’ll move i’ll connect with different people and at first it’s like moving toward them it’s like a dance or a ballet moving toward them and at first just as it were laying down at their doorstep and not doing anything not knocking on their door not calling them out not addressing them just laying on their doorstep and what that does is it causes a pull a non-threatening pull where that person will end up00:26:05 – 00:27:24who they really are ends up taking a peek out of the door and they still discover that it’s it’s non-threatening so they end up coming out and then we end up as two beings just seeing each other not two people looking at each other but two beings seeing each other and the reality of that is extremely powerful it really is i’ve experienced it so do you believe i mean this is how i see it do to believe that as you sit in this space that actually you elevate the consciousness of the beings that are in the room with00:26:47 – 00:27:59you to a level where they can see and feel at a higher state of being than what they how they normally walk around that’s how that it’s it really shifts the whole space of the room can can change so people can experience like um altered states in that time where it looks like nothing’s happening or that they can be going through things that to them is like even if they’ve never found drugs before or something to them it’s like well it’s like drugs it’s like something’s00:27:23 – 00:28:40happening inside things are opening up inside and they’re experiencing things they’re seeing things that they’ve never experienced or seen in their whole life and yet on the surface nothing’s happening so for people that can be quite powerful and really astonishing it really is astonishing yeah i um i was personally blown away the first time i came and sat with you and saw that people were they were fine with that like you said this group sat there for two hours and didn’t move and that’s um00:28:02 – 00:29:23a very powerful space to be able to hold with so many human beings whom a lot of them have no understanding of that place at all well they had no idea what they were expecting a lecture right and nothing’s happening so the tension was the tension was incredible look at that it’s like the whole place was just there and and not a word not a noise and yet nobody nobody left because something something really powerful was happening they were experiencing something and yet for their minds nothing’s happening so that makes it00:28:43 – 00:29:58even bigger for them because now there’s it doesn’t make any sense it’s really huge and yet it’s nothing so how how do you believe you get to this place where you’re able to raise that energy and uplift these people to be able to have that kind of communication where there is no words being spoken do you believe that this is god coming through you or your god coming through you or how does how does god or what many people consider to be their higher powers how does that play into00:29:21 – 00:30:42this it’s it’s for myself it’s like just being reality and you can’t be reality if you’re living inside of something that isn’t quite true if you’re living inside of an eagle or if you if you have different identities that you’re always protecting and feeding and managing if you’re living to cope and control or if you’re content to live and to be in the same way that um that a little baby is not not holding itself together not sustaining itself on the inside but just00:30:01 – 00:31:26completely being present and that allows them to flow out so you don’t believe that it’s anything else other than just your own ability to be present that enables you to do this did you see the show cocoon yes i did i loved it there’s that scene where the alien woman gets into the swimming pool and there’s another man they’re separated from about 30 or 40 30 or 40 feet with standing in the water and she told him to just stay there he wanted to come to her and she said just stay there and then00:30:45 – 00:31:49you can see all this energy move out of her she basically came out of herself and there’s this incredible flow that basically picked him up of who he is on the inside and they started to have this interchange based on what she was doing when i saw that movie and i saw that scene i found it absolutely incredible because that when i’m connecting with individuals that’s what i’m doing only on the on the on the movie screen you could you can see it right well but it’s the same thing00:31:17 – 00:32:18that’s happening and people end up seeing seeing what is seen in that movie in terms of the colors and the energy and visually seeing it and the whole room changes and they’re watching the color flow through the space in between and they’re watching it flow toward other people and they’re seeing things that to them it’s like they’re on drugs or something and yet they’ve never been on drugs before and they’re experiencing a reality and they’re watching unseen stuff happen00:31:50 – 00:33:15when when you’re not in their presence have you had any reactions of how people’s lives are changed do they use some of the or become some of the things that you’ve shared with them in your audience in other words to go to someone have a wonderful experience and then leave there and be lacking and wanting for them is one thing the other thing is having gotten something and embracing it into their own beingness to now live in a more truthful communicating way have you had much people get it00:32:32 – 00:33:50they do they end up letting go of their whole persona letting go of their their belief systems their religious learning their psychological learning everything that they’ve learned and taken in over many many years to try and hold oneself together on the inside and just letting all of that go letting all of the internal learning just letting it all go and it’s at first it seems very very threatening to a person because immediately you think well if i let go of everything that’s holding me together on the inside00:33:12 – 00:34:15if i let go of that safety net that i’m keeping underneath me so that i don’t just fall through into into nothing if i let go of all of that what will happen to me where will i end up what will i turn into that can be terrifying for people because it’s like going into the abyss or going into an unknown that there’s nothing familiar about it but people do it and they find out that when it at first for the mind it’s like you’re going to fall into a huge bottomless dark hole and they’ll once00:33:44 – 00:34:48they fall in they’ll never be able to get out of it and when they let go of everything that holds them together and to their mind it seems like they’re falling into this dark hole what they end up falling into is like a pure liquid moving form of unconditional love and they’re astonished that that was always there and they were scared to go there that it’s not dark it’s not some strange death that will happen inside that they can’t reverse but they end up discovering what they00:34:19 – 00:35:37really are and where the nourishment really comes from so i think what i’m from what you’re saying so yes once you come in you’re finding that the people that are sharing with you are taking this land getting to that place more that’s wonderful so these people that that come to canada to be with you and stay with you i know you have quite a group there that have been with you for years right um do do they eventually have you seen them come to the same place as you where have you seen them00:34:57 – 00:36:20move to in their levels of there’s many that really begin to go home going home in terms of going into that space of being that that they had when they were a baby or when they were a little child and basically walked out of that space to get something that that a person perceives they need or living living according to wants or needs instead of what is already there that there’s a lot of people that really go back to that space there’s fewer that go really deep into that space and there’s00:35:46 – 00:36:57very few that utterly and completely and unreservedly go into that space i can appreciate that like i said i’ve worked on it for a lot of years and i know for myself each time i let go of another layer of who it is that i think i am it’s it’s a terrifying space because all of a sudden you’re left there going well i’m nothing you know and there’s nothing that holds those pieces together of everything that we’ve built up to know who we are and yet the pieces that we hold together00:36:32 – 00:37:33to define who we are it’s it’s the holding of those pieces together that burns us out on the inside we can’t we can’t live with ourselves and then others can’t live with us either because we’re doing something inside that they can’t be comfortable with so it’s we’re doing it to make it work and and to try and live and yet that’s what removes us from being able to have what we’re wanting we can’t live then we can’t be with other people so those00:37:05 – 00:38:33few people that you say that really have gotten gotten it what do you think there’s this there’s many that have really gotten that there’s few that have gone and it completely disappeared in that space which is a whole lot bigger than just getting it yes i understand so i’d like to just go back to what going home means to you you know going back to that term going home because we’ve we’ve all seen it in so many different places you know i mean i think to a lot of people the whole spiritual idea of going home00:37:51 – 00:39:12is going somewhere out there you know i want to go home means i want to get out of here so going home we live we live our lives in a sense in this home away from home this home away from home is living a life based on wants and needs so we’re always living projected forward or projected out believing that if we get that new car then there’ll be that satisfaction of being that i’m looking for that nothing else is touching that yet so a new car that’ll do it and as soon as you get the new car00:38:31 – 00:39:47it’s fast gone and then we forget that that didn’t work and as soon as we forget that that didn’t work at the same time we’re reaching for the the next new thing a new relationship and a new love and none of it gives people what they’re looking for it’s like the single greatest source of happiness that people turn to is relationships being in love looking for love and everybody’s doing it and yet at the same time the single greatest source of grief and pain and suffering00:39:09 – 00:40:31in the world is because of breaking relationships that aren’t satisfying so what is it you think they are looking for what is it that you think on that deeper level that they are intimacy of being and looking for that intimacy of being on the outside or looking for that intimacy of being from an emotional source or a physical source or a mental source that satisfaction of being where there’s nothing that can satisfy you as a being if it’s not the beingness that you’re in mental satisfaction only00:39:53 – 00:41:09goes so deep emotional satisfaction only goes so deep and it’s never really satisfying and it doesn’t satisfy it doesn’t last very long let’s put it that way so we’re constantly grabbing at wanting to be happy wanting peace wanting joy wanting enjoyment to touch deep inside and at the same time at the same time trying to get rid of the pain and the covering and the grief and the agony instead of letting go of needing to be happy letting go of needing to push away the pain and get it out00:40:31 – 00:41:51the happiest person is is that individual that is unconditionally and permanently content without ever needing to be happy which is what you said you did that’s a happy person and it’s not in a fatalistic way of i don’t need to be happy it’s like the fox turning away from the grapes because he can’t get them out of the tree saying that well he doesn’t like grapes anyway and walks away it’s a very tender lovely letting go of ever needing to have it of ever needing to be happy of ever00:41:11 – 00:42:26needing to get rid of the pain and that allows oneself to be quieted on the inside and to be gentle on the inside and instead of there being a clutching and a kneading and a wanting and having there’s a letting go which allows there to be an opening and softening and it’s that openness and that softness in the midst of joy or pain that satisfies you as a being it’s not the having of anything that’s satisfying this is a kind of a subject trying to put it into an analytical framework is00:41:49 – 00:42:50contrary to it’s it’s difficult to describe it because it’s not the kind of thing that needs to be described needs to be experienced i would think um and it is experienced when you hold a little baby you see it there’s there’s a flow when you look in their eyes when you look on their face there’s this flow coming out and what that flow tells you is that they’re not containing themselves they’re not holding themselves together they’re not forming an identity or a little child00:42:23 – 00:43:39they’re not being somebody that has something in the most wonderful way they’re in nobody that has absolutely nothing so then they’re unencumbered on the inside they’re free and what’s left is just a flow of expression every the only thing that they’re expressing is what they already are and what they already have and there is nothing on the outside that they need to get something on the inside so all there is is what’s already on the inside just expressing out and flowing out00:42:59 – 00:44:15you haven’t been here um continuously in my last 10 years just give you a reference point we’ve been very fortunate in maui to find that there are many enlightened and open and loving and giving beings that have been here and been sharing not identically in the way that you have but i’ve had groups of people that have gathered around them to feel their beingness and to experience it in a different way are you i don’t think are you unique in what you do is there some generality of00:43:40 – 00:44:52path that can that can be likened to others that have been bringing this kind of a truth or is this something unique about what you’re doing trying to identify for example there’s uh gangaji who many people see on tv here is a lady who became enlightened and many people come to share with her and ask her questions similar to what you’ve done and yet you hold a different thing many of the people i’ve seen in your audience have been followers or devotees not that you’re in any way putting00:44:19 – 00:45:34yourself as a guru but many people are looking to you for those answers and i’m looking to see i can sense in you you like the idea that people get it and go out into the world and are living it what is it that i don’t know if this is a question or just asking you to explore what is it about what you do that is most meaningful to you i mean you come here not on vacation people bring you here because they want to hear what what you can say and be with them what do you bring that that our audience out here could come00:45:00 – 00:46:20see you next time and feel yeah that was really a worthwhile thing i really am feeling my life enriched through this when i when i come here the only reason i come is because of invitation right um if the invitation wasn’t there i wouldn’t go then i would do whatever it is that i i do otherwise and the capacity to connect with people that capacity is completely alive so that that’s taking place toward everything else in the universe so i don’t need a person to connect with for that to be there so i’ll respond to00:45:46 – 00:47:02being with people who respond to being with whatever it is that is presently there well there’s so many questions i want to ask john you know i mean that i’m trying not to well as i’m jumping in here trying to understand otherwise i’m yesterday we were sitting here with a small group for media and i think i was putting aware maybe you should interview me be aware of because what i get in messages it’s uh your being with others is suddenly getting them to be being is not a news kind of a thing00:46:29 – 00:48:05doing action as the news sort of follows the action of events and this is a non-event of something that is really not contrary unique it is uh clearly stepping out of creating importance to a world of all kinds of activity and all kinds of dreams and aspirations people have and we’re now bringing to them an experience of coming to an event of something’s going to happen where nothing may happen through this whole thing i’ve been laboring to try to understand how to clearly let our audience understand00:47:22 – 00:48:33you in the sense of what are you trying to accomplish or what are others hoping to have from you here what i’m trying to accomplish is nothing i don’t i’m not here to help people or to get people enlightened or to make people comfortable because what i as soon as i start spending time with people what will happen is that it will completely ruin their life it doesn’t put it together it doesn’t help them it doesn’t heal them um because all of the illusion is taken apart the lies00:48:01 – 00:49:17are torn down and they fall apart and all that there’s left over when all of that is gone is just themselves and all of the structure fallen off so there’s a sense of incredible vulnerability but within that vulnerability there’s there’s an amazing piece and no longer having to support the stuff that they’ve taken in and held in tightly to try and be comfortable and make things secure on the inside so some of you people may choose to come and share with john and others may or may not or understand why00:48:45 – 00:50:01to that’s fine that’s in fact that’s perfectly fine because we couldn’t fit him in this room but we saw a lot of people here yesterday i i bowed away when i was with my camera an interruption rather than just part of the scene but i was and have been very happy to have met you and hope to come to your audience here again is there anything that you would like to specifically say to our audience or share something that you feel encapsulates what you’d like to deliver to sum it up00:49:29 – 00:50:50that the only thing that works that makes one alive genuinely alive inside is to allow there to be an absolute and a complete without any conditions attached to it an honesty of heart that addresses not surface issues of a person’s life but addresses the very the very core of one’s consciousness the very core of a person’s being and that honesty allows you to see what is really true and then that can be followed by an unconditional surrender to what is actually recognized or realized as true and everything that’s00:50:10 – 00:51:26realized that was that had to be held together that had to be pulled together by a belief system or a moral structure that all of the energy that goes into that that one can finally let it go because that doesn’t enable one to live that just takes your living space inside and makes it pretty small it’s just an actual just a clear honesty of heart and then a surrender to what you realize is being true and not pulling back from that because it may change your whole life it may affect your ego it may affect00:50:52 – 00:52:12your relationships it may affect your way of being in the universe so far a way of being that’s based on coping and controlling big one that’s all our human personalities really know how to do i think isn’t it um you know one thing that i really wanted to bring up for the people here because for me it was a big one when i listened to you the last time you were here and that is your concept of dealing with pain or illness because everybody’s always looking to make it better to get rid of the pain00:51:36 – 00:53:12and to make their lives better to make their health better would you talk to our beloved people out here a little bit about your concept how do you deal with pain about how to deal with pain yes that whatever is presently uncomfortable or whatever is presently painful to respond to that pain or that discomfort or that mental or emotional or physical not okayness to let go of ever needing for that to change to let go of wanting that pain to go away wanting that discomfort to go away and to let in an absolute and a complete00:52:24 – 00:53:43acceptance of what presently is so if there’s mental or emotional or physical pain if a person is in depression then that depression is finally allowed to be just what it is and there’s no effort to try and change the depression first or to change one’s physical existence first or to change one’s mental reality first before you can settle and be okay inside so that okayness is no longer dependent on feeling okay physically or emotionally or mentally so if someone’s health was00:53:04 – 00:54:21a problem for them and they needed to have surgery would you say have surgery don’t have surgery because if you’re having the surgery it seems to me that you would be having the surgery to make it better then go ahead and have the surgery deal with your body in in the most wonderfully shallow way of just simply favoring it and taking care of it but not doing something like getting surgery or taking supplements or fixing your body or working out or eating right not not doing that as an effort to to be okay on the inside00:53:43 – 00:54:58and that you can’t be okay on the inside until the body is right but it’s having a profound acceptance of what every part of the system mental or emotional or physical isn’t working properly or doesn’t feel good and allowing that to be what it is and then in a very wonderfully shallow way doing whatever you want to fix it but it’s not fixing it to address the deep and the profound that you can’t be okay until the pain is gone i think that that’s a really big lesson i know one of the things that i’ve00:54:21 – 00:55:37worked with with my teacher is that um accepting the fact that everything is good enough to be god in other words for me i mean i always saw how i had a very distinct this is good enough to be considered god this is not good enough to be considered god like the pain would not be good enough to be considered god and and coming to allow that to be is that what you’re basically saying if if you cannot be okay in the midst of pain without condition then you also cannot be okay in the midst of happiness00:54:59 – 00:56:07because then when you are happy you’re always projected out and forward to see what is there out there that can take away or threaten my happiness because i really don’t want that pain so if you can’t be with pain you also can’t be with joy because as soon as there’s joy or happiness then you’re always relating to what it is that can take it away from you what is the threat who is the threat i’m the threat i’m going to take it away from you guys oh no don’t take it away for a long time00:55:34 – 00:56:49but we have a limitation here see we’re in a limited medium if we had more time we’d love to have you with us we only think we’re in a limited medium [Laughter] i um i know that many of you have found this to be a new world one that is opening you in new ways that will want you finding to explore more within yourself and in getting together with john john is here in the month of june which is where we are now but if you’ll snap your fingers the year will progress and uh john is coming coming back to00:56:12 – 00:57:31maui from october 12th to 16th and many of you have interest and would like to be able to share more with john we also have a voicemail number for you here that is manned by joy you’d like to say oh i do of course as you can tell i’m very excited and happy to speak with you and i loved this opportunity i really am very grateful to you for allowing yourself to be present here with us and be present with these wonderful people out here who are watching this one of the things that i love about our00:56:52 – 00:58:01show is that we have the opportunity to touch people from all over the world this is not just maui because people who are visiting the island from all over the world watch their televisions believe it or not people watch television when they come to maui and get the opportunity to experience you and have their hearts opened in whatever way they do any other thing you’d like to say to these people before we uh did them farewell don’t take themselves seriously don’t take yourself seriously00:57:28 – 00:58:51don’t take life seriously don’t take yourself seriously the only thing that’s worth taking serious is that the tiniest little bit of actual clarity that you have on the inside that allows there to be a newness inside instead of holding together something that’s old and is always the same we’re not worth taking seriously we’re worth being gentle with ourselves but not hard on ourselves thank you thank you great pleasure being here with you hurry up thank you john you’re a great hugger too00:58:12 – 00:59:28[Laughter] we thank you very much for joining us and we hope that you will take the opportunity to be with john the next time he comes and see and experience this for yourselves one other thing that i did want to add is that john’s work is all on donation and there is no charge for you to come and have this experience certainly you can donate as you like to but he feels that that’s not part of his work and i think that that’s a very beautiful aspect of what he does and just wanted to put that in there for00:58:50 – 01:00:15you so don’t let anything stop you for coming and having this experience god bless you and don’t have anything stop you from having another experience to come and visit us again because we’re also free we know that this medium bringing things to you is our gift aloha aloha hello i thought it was a really nice interview and i would have loved it and more obviously i have many questions that i would love to go deeper into i mean there’s many things that i would have loved to have brought up00:59:41 – 01:00:20um about your family your children your life as a man you know as and how you fit your spiritual life into that