Olowalu Toxic Dump Site discussion – Jason with Ka’io Martin Cruz. People’s Council of Maui aired a 2-5-24 meeting. Cultural spokeswoman Ka’io Martin Cruz delves into the Hawaiian history of Olowalu and shares her manao.
Summary & Transcript
The video features an in-depth conversation with Ka’io Martin Cruz, a Native Hawaiian and indigenous cultural practitioner deeply connected to the sacred lands of Maui, particularly the site of Oluwalu. The discussion centers on the environmental and cultural crisis involving the plan to use a sacred Hawaiian site as a toxic waste dump following recent wildfires. Ka’io shares her personal background, her familial lineage, and her deep cultural ties to Oluwalu, emphasizing the sacredness of the land and the violation it faces through the proposed landfill and toxic dumping. The conversation explores the cultural, environmental, and community implications of this crisis, highlighting a disconnect between some local leaders and the indigenous community’s values and rights. Ka’io stresses the significance of pono (balance and right relationship), honest communication, and accountability as foundational to healing both the land and community. She critiques the lack of transparency and the insufficient consideration of safer alternatives like pyrolysis for toxic waste management. The discussion also touches on the intergenerational impact of environmental toxins, the importance of educating and protecting younger generations, and the broader systemic and governmental failures that have led to this situation. Throughout, Ka’io calls for community engagement, cultural respect, and responsible leadership to protect Maui’s sacred sites and future.
Highlights
- [01:30] ? Ka’io’s Hawaiian name “Kao Kulani” means “wisdom of the High Heavens,” given by her father, connecting her deeply to her cultural roots.
- [07:30] ? Oluwalu is an ancient sacred site and place of refuge, currently threatened by plans for a toxic waste landfill.
- [12:30] ⚠️ The toxic waste dump is permanent, despite being labeled temporary, and poses severe environmental and cultural hazards.
- [18:00] ? Hooponopono (right relationship) is proposed as a guiding principle for healing the land, community, and self through honest communication and accountability.
- [22:50] ☣️ The toxic waste, including dioxins and furans, is accumulating and threatening both the land and ocean ecosystems near Oluwalu.
- [39:00] ? Local government officials have ignored scientific proposals and expert advice, exacerbating the crisis.
- [48:00] ?￢ﾀﾍ? Workers at the cleanup site face hazardous conditions without proper safety protocols, risking community health.
Key Insights
- [01:30] ? Cultural Identity as a Foundation for Advocacy: Ka’io Martin Cruz’s deep ancestral connection to Hawaiian and indigenous heritage shapes her perspective and commitment to protecting sacred sites. This underscores how indigenous knowledge and cultural identity are critical in environmental stewardship and activism, providing a spiritual and ethical framework for confronting ecological crises.
- [07:30] ? Sacred Land Desecration Reflects Broader Colonial and Environmental Injustices: The Oluwalu site’s transformation from a revered refuge into a landfill exemplifies the ongoing disregard and systemic violations of indigenous land rights. This case illustrates how development projects often marginalize native voices and prioritize economic or political agendas over cultural and environmental preservation.
- [12:30] ⚠️ Mislabeling Temporary Toxic Waste Sites Masks Long-Term Environmental Harm: The classification of the landfill as “temporary” is misleading; the accumulation of persistent toxins like dioxins means the site will cause irreversible damage. This highlights the importance of transparency and rigorous environmental assessments in policy decisions involving hazardous materials.
- [18:00] ? Hooponopono as a Model for Community Healing and Environmental Justice: The traditional Hawaiian practice of hooponopono—focused on balance, accountability, and truth—offers a holistic approach to resolving conflicts and restoring harmony between people and nature. Ka’io stresses that such indigenous frameworks can guide modern environmental governance by fostering ethical responsibility and reconciliation.
- [22:50] ☣️ Complex Toxic Waste Challenges Require Innovative, Science-Based Solutions: The discussion points to the availability of advanced technologies like pyrolysis, which can safely neutralize toxic waste on-site, yet these solutions are being ignored by decision-makers. This reveals a gap between scientific expertise and political will, often influenced by economic pressures or bureaucratic inefficiencies.
- [39:00] ? Governmental Disregard for Expert Input Undermines Public Trust and Environmental Safety: The failure of local officials to consult scientific reports and heed community concerns exposes a disconnect that jeopardizes effective governance. This lack of due diligence increases risks to public health and damages community confidence in leadership.
- [48:00] ?￢ﾀﾍ? Worker Safety and Community Health are Overlooked in Toxic Cleanup Efforts: The hazardous working conditions at the cleanup site, including inadequate protective measures, illustrate broader socio-economic vulnerabilities. Paying workers well does not compensate for the health risks posed, and the contamination potentially spreads beyond the site, affecting families and communities. This calls for stricter safety protocols and greater awareness to protect vulnerable populations.
Expanded Summary
The video opens with an introduction of Ka’io Martin Cruz, who is warmly welcomed and recognized for her Hawaiian name, “Kao Kulani,” symbolizing her connection to wisdom and the heavens. Ka’io explains her diverse indigenous background, blending Native Hawaiian, Native American, and Dutch ancestries, and her lifelong commitment to cultural preservation and environmental stewardship. She recounts her deep relationship with the land, particularly the sacred site of Oluwalu, which holds immense ancestral and spiritual significance as a refuge and place of life.
The core of the discussion revolves around the controversial plan to place a toxic waste landfill at Oluwalu, a decision that Ka’io and many community members vehemently oppose. Originally a sacred Hawaiian refuge and navigational landmark, Oluwalu has been repeatedly desecrated—first by resort development in the 1960s, and now by the accumulation of toxic debris from recent wildfire burn sites. Ka’io expresses profound sorrow and frustration over the site’s ongoing degradation and the disregard shown by some local leaders who have endorsed the landfill despite its cultural and environmental implications.
Ka’io elaborates on the nature of the toxic waste—containing dioxins, furans, and other hazardous substances—that will remain permanently harmful to the environment. She challenges the narrative that the landfill is temporary, emphasizing that toxins accumulate and persist in the environment indefinitely. The landfill’s proximity to the ocean and residential areas raises grave concerns about contamination of water sources, air quality, and public health.
A significant portion of the conversation focuses on the Hawaiian principle of hooponopono, which advocates for restoring balance and right relationships between humans and the Earth through honest communication, accountability, and forgiveness. Ka’io stresses that this practice is not just a cultural ritual but a profound life principle essential to addressing the current crisis. She encourages the community to engage in honest self-reflection and collective dialogue to heal the land and relationships fractured by ecological harm and cultural disrespect.
The discussion also critiques the failure of local government officials to engage with scientific experts and community advocates. Ka’io recounts how multiple scientific proposals, such as pyrolysis—a closed-system technology that can neutralize toxic waste without releasing harmful emissions—have been overlooked or ignored. This disconnect between expert knowledge and political decision-making is seen as a major barrier to finding safe, sustainable solutions.
Furthermore, Ka’io highlights the dangerous conditions faced by workers involved in the cleanup and landfill operations. Many young workers are exposed to toxins without adequate protective gear or decontamination procedures, creating a significant public health risk. Despite relatively high wages, the health risks and potential long-term consequences for workers and their families are a critical concern.
The conversation touches on broader systemic issues, including the influence of ego and cultural disconnection among some Hawaiian leaders who have supported the landfill, and the potential negative impact on younger generations who witness these decisions. Ka’io voices concern that this sets a harmful precedent that undermines cultural values like aloha ‘āina (love of the land) and pono (rightness), threatening the future resilience of the community.
In closing, Ka’io calls on everyone—local residents, leaders, and the global community—to awaken to the reality of the crisis, engage in honest communication, and act with accountability and respect for the land and future generations. The video ends with an invitation to continue the dialogue on these critical issues in future episodes.
Key Takeaways
- Indigenous cultural knowledge and spiritual connection to land are vital for environmental protection.
- The Olowalu landfill represents a profound violation of sacred land and indigenous rights.
- Toxic waste accumulates permanently, requiring transparent and scientifically sound management.
- Hoo’pono’pono offers a powerful framework for healing environmental and social conflicts.
- Governmental inaction and dismissal of expert advice exacerbate environmental risks.
- Worker safety and community health must be prioritized in toxic cleanup efforts.
- Intergenerational education and engagement are crucial to safeguarding cultural and environmental futures.
Full Timestamped Transcript
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[Music] well good morning everyone it’s uh February 26th in uh 2024 a very memorable day and that I have a beautiful and wonderful guest um I just know that when I look out here in this audience some of you are on uh simoc cast TV akaku Maui Community media channel 55 on cable some are hearing us on 88.5 FM the voice of Maui k a KU and some of us are up online and looking at YouTube and put in their Maui neutral zone or neutral Jason Schwartz and Ka’io Martin Cruz Our Guest today but you can put in say all our shows up there Kao
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Welcome to our show Aloha thank you for having me am I pronouncing it right you are okay yeah I know I have a group of men that I sit with and you know we choose Spirit names and one man chose CAO CAO is very signif Koo wow now Koo you know you told me is the hawk um is something you were born with I didn’t name myself that my father my father Leo he was sitting gave that seat yeah and it’s it’s actually the whole uh name is Kao kulani which means wisdom of the High Heavens uh and I’ve
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been called cuto for short my whole life wow well you know I and I plugged in and suddenly when I saw this issue and suddenly uh I saw you on a 5 hour on February 5th of this year the people’s Council of Maui I want to say Olu wallo Branch but the people’s Council of Maui brought up an issue and had five hours Zoom coordinated by Public Access TV here akaku Maui TV and uh in there that’s where I saw you first you were sitting next to John my husband I wasn’t really at the time what was going on but I I
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saw you then and I heard you speaking a little bit and I heard everyone and I thought you know this is not an issue that just comes and goes this isn’t part of a media thing this is a real life situation and um this not the kind of thing you walk away from no and I sensed your real true commitment when I saw it and I when I sent an email through suie here to try to gather people when you reached out I was really happy that you reached out that you’d come here and be on our show Welcome to the neutral zone Mahalo as
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you may guess it’s anything but neutral it’s a neutral zone and uh what we mean by that is we hope that the people that are listening and the people that are here keep an open mind and heart to working together you lead with h ponop Pono we have guests from all over the world why don’t I let you lead in a little bit about how you’re here who you are and and then we’ll take you from there how’s that okay uh thank you again for having me on Aloha to community um our Global
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Community you know and that’s really what it’s all about uh I’ll share a little about myself and then I’ll Circle back around to um some of those topics that you mentioned in in opening and uh so I am who I am from my ancestors with my own kulana and purpose here on on Earth and um embracing that in these times with deeper understanding and uh awareness and Trust in my origin and trust and belief in everybody’s origin that they can come back into balance and right relationship
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with uh Mother Earth and each other through through the unfoldings that are happening you know it’s not just this specific situation I um I come from a long line of uh medicine people and uh from my native Hawaiian ancestry to my Native American and Dutch so I’m this mixed individual of who I am here on Earth of many different indigenous um heritages and embracing that now in these times and through my experiences I’ve worked a lot with the with the AA the native Hawaiian plants up in the mountains in
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conservation and restoration of our watersheds and spending many years um close within the Realms of of the Gods and listening spending time with the Cuna um I’m a mother of five and a grandmother of two yes and uh really you started at three you look so young and beautiful yes thank you grandmother uh ranging from my oldest daughter Kiana is 29 and my youngest last mikin Zayn is five two girls girls and three boys and looking at our world with the future Generations in mind and tapping into and choosing to go
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into the trust within of of who we are and who and what we’ve come from and what is our purpose here on Earth as these Humanity has um you know we’re seeing some of the darkest sides of the human aspect showing now and how do we bring that back into balance you know and put the egos in check so it’s it’s what hawaian use the word ho Pono poo absolutely coming into balance and I felt that you know the richness of your spirit comes through when you this even speaking here you know and so I’m what
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you’re talking about about finding cultural roots H how did Ola wallo cross your path I mean in this toxic situation your father I me I was trying to think of how did you meet Eddie you know Eddie Garcia is a farmer who has a farm right there next to the temporary toxic dumping of dioxins and furans and a multitude of accumulative poisons yeah and there is no such thing as temporary thing comes to that well you know and that’s where see what this is a giant issue we can talk for hours like your show did that’s what we hope
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to do here is bring people that’ll get up close in person about so many different aspects it becomes overwhelming that this should be stopped right now and reviewed and stopped but yeah if I had the power I would make a move but that’s what we do we bringing reasons I I thought of you as cultural but you’re obviously you have a background in in farming how did you happen to get involved in so get aware of this I I’m deeply cultural it’s it’s part of the whole aspect of who I am I come from
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tremendous musical Roots as well and in particular with Olu walu my father is the direct line to our ancestry his mother my grandmother’s line um with our ancestry goes back all the way in per perpetuity through Olu walu I see mokua aali and honoka Valley and so in particular with Olu walu there’s kulana there in protecting the Sacred Space that it is as a whole and being that it’s our direct I’m a direct lineal descendant to the elite that are from those areas the II Cuna are all throughout the areas that
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it was uh just profound to see and experience those within our community in leadership roles even considering it be an option and then moving forward with it becoming the option and the layers of disregard uh culturally of the Sacred site that it is Olu Pua for you are who are sitting in uh Finland or Greece puu Honua is a refuge right that’s right so here in this Hawaiian Refuge safe space place that’s kapo kapu that means stay out respected right yes and those that are within the Pua are protected I see uh
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there’s many different um many different cultural reasons why somebody would come into a puua or uh the groups that would come that those spaces were set up uh it’s similar to the um hon pu hona South Point on the big island haki puu on aahu by kualoa Ranch those were profound pu honas and olalo is one of them a refuge a Sacred Space a Sacred Space and when you look back since we’re on this subject of it which is so important because it takes you back in into the understanding and big picture of the
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sacredness of it when there’s sacredness in in all aspects and of and US individually but specifically the significance of this and it was a place where in the oceans things were growing and it was like a place of life it was so alive it still is the puas were when the AO puas they were abundant Ina is like a little piece of from M to maai that’s right and thriving throughout all aspects of it so here at a place that’s sacred Hawaiian site sacred very sacred they in the 60s I guess it was 1960s they chose that to
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be the place they take Earth from and build out kapali Resort so they came and took land from there and here we are they natural resources specifically and then they created a a dump there a landfill but a dump for things but now they’re thinking okay temporarily why is that because it’s convenient but wait a minute this is an accumulative toxin waste problem what does that mean that means the more you put there this doesn’t go away you can add soil and dilute it but it’s toxic waste that is why would they
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do that and spread it out to a place that’s sacred and who are these Hawaiian groups that our mayor has labeled and referenced are supporting this that really surprised me you have any thoughts on that I do and I just want to elaborate a little bit on the sacredness to give a a deeper definition of um Wu within that Ana so when you look back into history oral as well as written but as you know within our indigenous culturals a lot of the knowledge is shared orally and The Poon noas were a place when the
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ancestors from all around were sailing and they would come into their canoes and their vessels that they would sail into Havi they were welcomed in to the ponas where the folks that were on them could come off and rest there was replenishment of the goods that they needed to then carry on on their journey and that was part of what the puuhonua is and within that our comp it’s a complex of heo of auu of different areas specific for what that region is within the islands represented of places of Prayer
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and where ceremony was done and Olu walu was profound in that as a navigational point and within that understanding now as olua AA is as a whole the complex of sacred sites within that is profoundly significant in protecting it as a whole and Lead going back now to what you’ve just mentioned of the different desecration phases of it shows the lack of human ability to set the ego aside and just stop think about that remember the origins of Who We Are Who we’ve come from the kulana that is there to
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protect a sacred sight sacred sites the whole of a space within mother earth like Olu walu and I feel like in these times what we’re facing now with Humanity and those that are quote unquote cultural leaders practitioners that there is a disconnect that has happened and we are seeing it we are experiencing it in a profound way with Olu walu and the level of desecration and that space between knowing our origin having that Mana to protect it no matter what in whatever crisis that comes up that that not be an option when
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you think of Mother Earth she is what provides for all of our life clean air clean water clean food and it’s really a time now that I feel like the darker aspects of humanity are showing and how do we come and bring that into right balance to create right relationship with Mother Earth and one another and with the whole ponopono way as a way of life not just something that we come in to to resolve a specific situation because before we can even enter into a space to have hope oopo and come out of it say a
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specific gathering for something come out of it in Pono we have to make right with ourselves and when I look at it and am in this place now of taking right action believing in that within all Humanity that we can come back to that remembering and make right and continue to do right to make right the first step of hoopono is communication and it’s truthful honest communication with oneself and that seems like it’s a very hard first step for many to take because what is that to communicate
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honestly with yourself but it’s fundamental and it’s okay and it’s within us all because because we are not perfect but if you continue to say oh no make excuses for wrongs that have been done for those that darker Shadow side to have taken over and not say whoa wait a minute actually you know what I’m not in a good place right now it’s where we are and the whole ponop Pono nature is a lot like this neutral zone absolutely we have lots of opinions but we’re in a safe space to
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talk about it and resolve it you know every piece is part of the whole a POA is everything works together to make in Harmony in Balance so that one’s real out now we’ve SP it’s okay to not and it’s okay to recognize that we’re not in balance it doesn’t take away from the Oneness of who we are no yet it is our kulana to recognize like okay kolana means respon I think it is responsibility you know when we’re talking to a global audience so on that’s the reason you see me trying to
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do a little I’m a quick translator I was going to say a howy but I’ve come to understand a howy means no breath and no breath means we’re an outsider and there really is no Outsider it’s a whole reasing of whole thing as we look at together we can take all the any prejudices any kind of thoughts of judgments and put them aside and look at the cultural cultural abuse here we look at the abuse of people of a whole Watershed and a whole system that worked forever our environment our ecos systems
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what are we doing mayor are you hearing what I and it’s okay to ask oneself we have to ask ourselves in these times we’re shifting paradigms hugely we’re have we have Maui and these specific issues here but globally Mother Earth is getting our attention and truly we have the opportunity right now to look at it through that lens and hoponopono is based upon Universal natural laws and principles which is something that’s not just with an our Hawaiian cultural practices this is something when you
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look at indigenous tribes around the world it’s fundamental these are our rights and this is what whether we want to accept it or not what operates us all here and these aspects of self clearly are not in balance and I feel and I truly believe that if there can be more honest communication with ourselves being able to take those steps and breaking through that fear of having to face on themselves when there has been not punal choices being made and then you know the pattern of that happens you you do one thing and
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then you feel like you got to keep on doing that when it’s okay to just stop you know it’s like um who have like when when mistake you know it happens it happens it happens and it’s okay to ask for forgiveness for that but to continue to do that and on a level and we’re looking at specific L the the wildfire the toxic de toxic debris that are left from that on that specific space of AA to then go ahead and choose another place of Mother Earth massively sacred and and cross-contaminate between
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there create a toxic waste dump site that is not temporary there’s no temporary in that it is basically becoming a Super fun site right there next to the ocean that everybody has to drive through you know that as you’ll watch these shows you’re going to hear all these people we’re all getting to know what a super fund that doesn’t mean it’s super and fun it means that we take super amounts of money to wall off a problem so that masses more of people don’t die nowhere did we take care of
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the environment down below no how are they you know country is such a known thing yes it’s on Springs there’s Springs under there this is a tremendously vulnerable uh it’s a crazy thing place of of Mother Earth We’re going to have some scientists on that will be able to Absolut Point arrows but see this has been known by our host culture here you don’t mind I call hawaiian’s host culture no thank you culture here for and decades centuries and the whole system Lina was that place of the Rowdy
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guys up that came and stopped when they were doing sea fishing but there was a place of Refuge a Hawaiian Community called olalo down the way and just because lahina got built up into this tourist destination olalo was the Hawaiian the sacred Hawaiian place of Refuge right and the King uh King kameha Mayha never mind his history but he was in lah and laah was the capital of our kingdom of hav right olalo was a place where the elite there would them go for rest that they were there their homes there and it’s not only my Hawaiian
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ancestry that comes from there it’s also my Chinese the Aang hin you know he married my great great grandmother Mary meula and started aong store which is now known as Olu ALU store and they are there in the Chinese cemeteries and it’s um for that to be disregarded is how did that happen I me I it’s beyond horrible for me it is but how did that happen what what is the mayor talking about who what groups told him to go ahead I I don’t even hear that I heard it one time in their little release and I thought
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what what groups could that possibly be how it happened is a question that I can’t answer okay uh it’s a question that I ask myself as I Ponder and wonder where is the reverence in who we are and what we stand for in these groups that are LED by different kanaka who have taken on multiple different roles in what they identify thems as and it’s something that question brings up many different emotions because of the the wrongs that have been done within those choices that have been made and
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continuing down the road of something that has not been the ponal path your father on that s there’s this five hour thing it we’ll take pieces of it and have it here on our show but if you have the the time um your father spoke at that 5H hour Saturday council meeting and you know he was sitting here with Eddie Garcia a couple of weeks ago when we did our first interview but this and I I remembered him doing music and but he was very eloquent and he spoke about exactly the point you’re bringing up yes
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about it’s like a dead end what do we do from here there is no Road in the system the way it’s set up to get that cultural aspect honored and handled it’s like what do we do from here yeah and so when I hear a mayor who I thought was Hawaiian I may be wrong but even if he was in Hawaiian he is he does come from referencing Hawaiian saying yeah it’s okay temporary I just I found that I still find that shocking I hope well they don’t speak for for us everybody doesn’t these
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leaders of them they don’t speak for the whole they don’t speak for me as a lineal descendant of Ola walu nobody came and had a CAA or even reached out of how do you how do you feel about this but like you you said and your father said this is something that’s been ongoing there’s no accountability and here we are from here moving forward these groups that somehow are referenced as the ones speaking and I can do this because I’m Hawaiian and and these groups gave it the blessing don’t worry
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about people are meeting and telling it’s not good these people gave the blessing that really well that’s uhan when it comes down and what how I settle that and ground with that with myself which is in everyday process as we’re living through this every day and many of these uh groups have gotten tremendous funding from FEMA from these uh you know governmental organizations that have come in after the Wildfire under this emergency Proclamation which has had many different amend M ments to try and take
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away those rights culturally that we have environmentally and when I look at how to coexist within our community with other leaders who have not done all the Pono things to have right relationship with our AA with our kulana with our Community um for whatever reasons they are driven by a lot of it goes down to uhan which is the ego self and that that has taken over that deeper knowing of our origin and to be okay with that are the Young Hawaiian because I’m not in touch as much are the young
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Hawaiians upset I mean I don’t know how they so one of my uh when I look at that which is part of one of my concerns and I am a young Hawaiian indigenous human being with future generations with future Generations yet I am not that young anymore I’m 45 and so I’m coming into a different time in my own life where when I look at that it is of great concern to have different different cultural group leaders that are setting this kind of Precedence for all of their younger generations to follow and see okay we’re
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going to talk about Mala we’re going to talk about um Aloha AA and getting our culture back our Hawaiian Kingdom our lands our water our life sources yet when we’re faced with with a crisis of nature that we are and toxic waste like this that then you are going to go ahead and be okay with desecration of a Sacred Space and more damage to our mother earth and then say well I’m going to protect this one but not this one it is of great concern of mine that that precedence is being started because the
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younger generation is seeing that they are behaving in that and that is not in right right relationship and it surely undercuts all their desire it’s the opposite of aloh exactly what you want it’s the opposite of Mal and I am not in a place in my life where I can live in pretense of that being and not speaking about that and Shining Light on it because it is important and it is truth and it is something that we need to be aware of of that imbalance and I am a person of positive solution at the same time those
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downloads come simultaneously and to have hope in our people in all Humanity to have the strength individual strength to start communicating honestly with ourself and and make right and not be afraid to just put it down and just shift look at what it is to come into that balance embrace the hopono it’s a rotor router it’s layers and it’s not easy it’s a discipline it’s a practice and I’m only just going to sort of try to transition cuz that’s that is so important we see it even on a global
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level you know it’s like you say you know take it in stages it’s like layers it is it’s quite an experience to suddenly face the truth and see it and speak it and do move through it because the second aspect of hooponopono is acceptance and that therefore flows into forgiveness of oneself and others and it’s not condoning in the wrongs that have been done it’s freeing oneself and those that are attached to that from being done and then release and then doing the right thing should we not get
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to that point and continuing that because if without that piece you know we see the problem we forgive someone but that doesn’t mean that’s the end of our responsibility because it’s on this Earth no it’s not like we go right back into a confession and that’s what concerns me so time it is and how that happens Retreat back into understanding and feeling Justified thing because they’ve said they agree so what are you going to do about that how are you going to be part of this
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accountable yeah so when I talk about we all have to take accountability young people that really need to be involved on a national level it’s hard to deny we we have two guys running for president that are old yeah and how many young people like or respect either of these guys in their policies and their lives and they’re watching it happen and some are voting and such but here locally we have an opportunity for something like you said earlier and keeping it simple why are they putting a
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toxic waste dump so close to the ocean on the path of Tourism ISM this is going to destroy the future of Tourism and kill all the people that live here and would think to come here so what kind of a move is this yeah and and most sites like this it’s in areas that they become uninhabitable or they usually put these kinds of toxic waste combinations in uninhabited areas for a reason because of its level of toxicity and poison to to humankind Mother Earth across the board yeah and part of the
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attachment which again is when we look at the aspects of self goes back to the ego is that attachment of the subject that had come up with why it shouldn’t be taken off island is the attachment to the ashes the Eevee they said that they retrieved most of the Eevee and just to give a description of what that is the eeve are the bones actual bone fragments of our human being MH and the ashes when if that healing and that balance can take place because it still needs to happen it’s still happening
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that’s why of letting that go because that is part of the process of release and understanding that this is not normal circumstances of of what that holds due to the poison and allowing that self to just be settled in knowing that no matter what that individual who has been lost is always with you they are not identified in that and the Eevee like the Eevee of Olu the Eevee kpuna that are there is it okay for that to just be desecrated to then bring in this toxic waste and everything it’s
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very muddy you know well I know that like when just what you said the Hawaiians honor and knew that and when they put ashes out into the ocean or you’re releasing it you’re releasing so here this whole confusion maybe it’s that it’s okay and that somehow the the groups are thinking because they can release it and they are they’re making decisions cultural decisions in a way that aren’t honoring or explaining to anyone what they’re doing and my hit about the thing about
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taking everything off Island goes one step further maybe we’re not the scientists here but all that can be processed almost on site that’s right the day after the fire I spoke to a friend who has a there was a movie called The the need to grow and in that movie there was a guy named Michael Smith who we got to know here um anyway taking green waste turning it into power that process and what they were doing there something called into Building Material pysis what is that a closed system where you can raise the
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temperature without oxygen and extract things often why are we not doing these kind of things on side why are we shipping them somewhere else that’s the first thing if so that’s how I feel that it could be done an honoring even if we were to keep it here and if we weren’t yeah it’s the releasing of everything that’s all understandable to grow and move forward and we actually we gathered so much information and scientists from around the world with deep knowledge and wisdom of dealing with these types of toxic
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waste it’s a different situation because of the combination which also adds to the danger of it and refu garbage how do we how do we you know go green with it really and they showed up and we presented it to the County Council of Maui to the mayor to multiple mle different organizations you know when I was there the day there was public testimony and I sadly or happily got there early and so I was the first to speak and I knew of this answer the I was the first one Speaking I didn’t mention pyrolysis or
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ways to do anything and that’s one aspect following that would be presenting there and I was horrified when Eddie Garcia got up and said look weeks ago we presented this 60 page or however many page document with the scientists when I saw those scientists on Saturday we hope to have some of them here and some of there were the words on here besides and he asks if any of them had read it not one of them did and we when we say them we’re talking about specifically the County Council and the mayor and those that
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work within our local government it’s horrible it is and that shows also what we’re dealing with and that lack of connectedness and their kulana being voted in being public servants in their positions to hear our voices and to take into consideration our feelings our thoughts we would probably guess that I mean I know Gabe Johnson by example he’s going to be on our show who voted against it and that’s great but these people are so overwhelmed with and I always wonder myself they have staff
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of people working for them they’ve got tons of testimony they don’t know what they do first because we have so many burning fires no intended to be a pun there are so many challenges halai makua which is supposed to receive people that are sick have 16 beds but they don’t have staff to do it because they have no budget we’re talking about people who are asking to help us that don’t have money that hear about this money from over here and when someone says if we don’t do this we’re not going to have
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the money to do it the pressure on these people and so they don’t know what to read and boy to us the public I know I feel very badly personally when all the answers were posed so long ago before they had to put a shovel in the dirt that’s right and they don’t even look that’s horrible horrible what the agenda is stop now and read it stop how andless I mean that’s what I don’t get really yeah is why isn’t there after all this outcry maybe it’s not enough outcry so I hope you
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don’t mind I’m not going to give up this subject just because it it’s ongoing and people say well that’s already gone that ship is already we have that same mind this is the potential destruction of Hawaii as you know it not only the Hawaiian people but all you selfish people that want to think about money and to this is the end you put toxins that accumulate in an environment you’re killing you’re you’re killing your Golden Goose absolutely and then when they’re looking at what
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they’re going to call now as the permanent site and the three options and to me it looks like Central Maui and when you you think of that it’s just baffling because okay you’re going to have the burn site Laha town then now all the way to Olu walu has been cross-contaminated there’s no coverage on the trucks there’s no protocols in place of cleaning anything and then you’re going to say okay then we’re going to take what we can from that because it’s not wrapped in the burritos
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the transport is so ridiculous there’s there’s cement there’s metal there’s Ash there’s the burritos as soon as they get up to the site it comes out of the dump truck the bulldozer comes through mixes it all into the AA there it’s exposed to the wind the water all elements and then from there now take it to Central maule their work they they’re toxifying larger and larger areas and the community is and why is where’s our community why isn’t someone demanding that someone
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stop it is it because there’s no money didn’t you hear us just say even it sounds like no conversation here pyrolysis a closed system no waste go anywhere completely closed and can actually be gone at the end of this process if they sent it to Utah I mean we’re getting ahead of ourselves but for $400 a cubic yard to send it to Utah based on someone saying is 400,000 cubic yards that’s 140 million dollar is that why we’re doing that we’re not even considering that how much is it costing
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us to do this and keep it here there it could be gone completely gone all that toxicity burned up everything that’s system systems could be set up there in the contaminated Zone yeah that’s what I mean why move it and keep spreading a problem it is just no matter which aspect whether it’s cultural whether it’s economic whether it’s anything I don’t know who’s making these decisions it’s created imminent danger and permanent environmentally yep irrevocable harm forever forever forever
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don’t you think that’s important enough for you to get off your couch or or turn the radio down a little bit and say I want to help stop be quiet start communicating honestly with yourself and see no matter what amount of money when these cancers start sh showing up because it’s inevitable that they do they do and the illusion of not seeing something tasting it or being able to feel it is completely wrong to then convince yourself that it doesn’t exist and you are not in danger of it and it’s the
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illusion of toxins when you look at poison poison mindsets poison this and poison that there’s always that illusion part of it and the fact that we have a combination of the most toxic substances known to mankind created by mankind and then having to be dealt with and consider that history has already shown us that’s right this problem when the World Trade Center no matter who did it no matter what that was another toxic site that’s right how many people now 22 years later showed direct link to the
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problems from the ash from then that’s right are we not waking up are we we’re in a beautiful Serene place here why is our mayor I that’s why I keep wondering I wonder is going on and when you look at some of the side effects of these toxins one of the common threads through all of them which is really sad to me when I really look at it through a holistic La laaa Medicine Woman view is that affects the reproductive systems for men and women and the wombs of our future generations and the generations of
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suffering of side effects through the new Souls the children the Kio they’re going to be born through those wombs that have the toxins within them and those side effects it is already hard enough for our people to take care of well children for generations to be born then with side effects from these toxins and toxic exposure is very is very concerning in that big picture and that is something that we are not prepared for and and it’s just a deep prayer of mine that I hold in that Sacred Space with in that
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the younger generation is able to especially those of childbearing years is able to have a deeper understanding of what it is the dangers and start making choices to protect themsel and their families because what the older generation is showing is not that and I was talking with my son C and I think it’s important we touch on this because this is a message to that younger generation and those of us who have those that awareness as parents as aunties uncles grandparents to not be afraid to have
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those conversations with the young adults it is important so have them so I was talking with my son K who’s at uh monoa right now Hawaiian studies and pre-law two of his best friends wahines they’re all 18 and 19 uh are working out there one of them’s father their family owns Alpha and they’re working there at the Olu walu site Alpha is one of the companies working at at the olal site yes they they are doing majority of the construction and operations there on site as well as the cleanup site out in
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the H and so my niece um was there these past couple of days with um my son Cai and I had talked to them weeks ago when I found out that they were working there uh to shine light on the concerns and I’ve been that kind of anti Mama to all of them and I was talking with with um my niece’s mother as well cuz she was wondering like what is it yo her car is coming home with the suit on it do you think that has the toxin absolutely yes it does so that brought us to the bigger subject of everybody who’s working there
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now there is no wash Downs of the cars there’s no safety precautions in place they are then going and bringing that home to their homes spreading it all over the island and and my nieces who are 19 not even understanding what they’re being exposed to no protocols for them to be in hazmat suits or any of that so she was sharing with my son that they had to go work she had to go work at the site where they were cleaning up by The Old Mill and she’s been getting it more and more but they pay them good money they
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pay them $60 an hour and for a 19-year-old that’s like big Buck you know big people a lot of money I’m so surprised that the other one’s father would even have her daughter work there or any and be exposure it’s just like wow another layer but we all have choices right and so she said wow it was so trippy cuz they have these squared off areas there and the guys in one of the squares right next to each other now are in hazmat suits and then she’s not in a hazmat suit but she’s supposed to wear a mask while
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she’s there at that site and then the guys over here on this Square section have no protection and in her little mind she was so confused and she felt like whoa this is crazy but to see the paradigms and I just told her I said well you you let that sink in and you have a choice and she said Auntie I’m going to tell them if they ask me to go there again that I’m not going to go there because I don’t feel safe and I said exactly and it’s those small steps that are big steps I feel that we have to
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believe in and hold on to and for the Next Generation to you know for us to talk to them about it have those hard conversations so then when they’re experiencing at firsthand it’s able to spark inside of them and then that power comes back in and look what kind of power having money can do to getting people 60 bucks an hour to take people to work in a toxic Zone our next Generation here we go and then I mean I Saw movies that are talking about this is a planned thing a planned obsolescence we don’t need
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people concern kill them for three generations and bring population all these things are part of an even greater conspiracy that we don’t even need to get into you know and I don’t know you know I’m looking I’m looking so I can see conspiracies it’s a I think the word conspiracy scares people N9 minutes is that right I’m you’re going to tell me I think it’s a I would one of the I don’t want I don’t want to go off too much on the conspiracy I think conspiracy is is a
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word that holds a lot of impact and it also it it’s it’s beyond our trigger it’s a trigger we can’t prove it we don’t want to use it but it is interesting to see how our culture they have movies about it they are filling our mind with what seemed like somebody’s had a plan whether they implement it or not they come up with all these schemes it’s like and our young people are that’s the exposure it’s the dark side of the Shadow showing within humanity and that is is something
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that we need to really look at and understand and agendas I don’t I come with No Agenda here I understand and and when you look at our government they’re running agendas you know those individuals who take on those roles within the government they may not have taken that on with that agenda but at what point are they able to communicate honestly with themsel to see whose agenda they now are running and it is something that we are facing here there’s this new bill the Lele bill which is of great concern as well
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because that is basically this group I’ve just read it the other day I’m still processing it and integrating it into understanding what it is because there’s a lot of agendas in it and what does that mean what what is this trying to be created as far as an organization governing themselves when there’s enough of that part of what is happening with the cultural practitioners here is they govern themselves what makes a cultural practitioner what gives that individual any sort of authority to
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speak on behalf of all sign off on things when you look at Olu walu and those that have done that wrong with that in not honoring it I ask those questions to our elders and to those who who are cultural practitioners who cross checks that and are we able as cultural practitioners to communicate honestly with oursel check our uhan how’s the balance of our inner fames amaka still leading or is uhan leading and unihi the librarian of our lifetimes our subconscious our intuition and all of those aspects just ignore
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suffering you may not believe it but we only have a minute left isn’t that amazing well I like that we’re rounding it up on our on our in and I hope you’ll come back and you know bring bring more I want your father back here of all things he was so eloquent when I heard him speaking and your husband look forward to hearing more and talking more there’s all kinds of subjects we could talk about CAO Martin Cruz first of all congratulations on you oh myal congratul ations on being who you are you’re a
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great example of someone who’s uh stepping up and stepping out thank you from the bottom of my heart and all you out there yes these people out in our Zone here so I challenge I challenge that to speak honestly with yourself and let’s start the the change the positive change we are it and it’s us and we’ll see you next week and we’re going to hopefully have someone else we’re going to be talking about the same subject from a different aspect thank you for being here this
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week we’ll see you next week blessings to everyone
