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Live at 5  at Akaku TV – Feb 22, 2014 Maui : Jason Schwartz sings with Louise Lambert; conversation of Mark Sheehan & Lorrin Pang & Dr. Don Huber, Emeritus Professor at Purdue University discussing the health & safety risks of GMO crops… announcing the SHAKA Movement Against GMOs… Dana Fulton hosts

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  • [00:26 → 00:52] Introduction and News Headlines
    The broadcast opens with Dana welcoming viewers to Akaku Live, introducing the Shaka Movement representatives on air. The program quickly moves into news headlines presented by Jack Gist. A recent bank robbery at a Kihei Bank of Hawaii branch is reported, with police requesting public assistance for identification of the suspect. Following that, invasive species officials are considering using Australian dogs trained to detect little fire ants in an effort to control their spread on Oahu, Maui, and the Big Island. These ants present a significant environmental threat, and an assessment with these trained dogs is planned to assist in their containment.
  • [01:46 → 04:20] Introduction to the Shaka Movement and Petition Overview
    Dana introduces Mark, Dawn, and Lorrin from the Shaka Movement, who have organized a major event at the McCoy Theater. Mark explains that they have initiated a petition to place on the ballot a proposal requiring companies that use genetically modified organisms (GMOs) and heavy pesticide applications to prove the safety of those products before release. They invoke the “public trust doctrine” and the “precautionary principle,” emphasizing the need for pre-release safety testing to protect public health and the environment. Don Huber, an emeritus professor of plant pathology, highlights the ongoing deterioration in soil, crop, animal, and human health since the introduction of genetically engineered crops and associated chemicals. Lauren Pang, a physician and former WHO consultant, adds her concern regarding the extensive use and combination of pesticides with GMOs, criticizing regulatory agencies for being negligent or “asleep at the wheel.” The three emphasize the urgency to enact protective legislation.
  • [04:20 → 06:29] Petition Submission and Environmental Health Concerns
    A video segment shows Mark and his colleagues submitting their petition at the Maui County building. The petition seeks a temporary moratorium on the use of GMOs and related pesticides until companies can prove their products pose no harm to the environment or public health. Mark stresses that the issue is not economic but about protecting the island’s air, water, land, reefs, children, elders, and overall community health. He critiques the use of “restricted-use” pesticides that may be less harmful individually but become dangerous when combined in cocktails, citing increased incidence of miscarriages, birth defects, nOlder man with a white beard and eye injury in Maui's neutral zone, Hawaii. eurotoxic diseases, ADD, asthma, and allergies. He challenges the claimed scientific consensus on safety, stating it is driven by vested corporate interests rather than independent science. Mark warns that Maui residents may unknowingly be part of a large-scale, unconsented experiment involving their health and environment.
  • [06:29 → 10:13] Scientific Censorship and Lack of Transparency
    Don Huber describes intense scientific censorship surrounding GMO safety evaluations. A panel of top EPA scientists tasked with assessing GMO safety gave up after three years due to lack of access to data and inability to publish findings. Regulatory agencies such as the FDA and EPA rely entirely on data provided by biotech companies without conducting independent studies, raising concerns about conflicts of interest and inadequate safety verification. Mark calls on community leaders (“ohana leaders”) to rally support for the petition to protect families and the environment. The speakers emphasize that the current regulatory approach effectively places public health at risk by relying on corporate “good faith” instead of rigorous, independent science.
  • [10:13 → 16:26] Health Risks of Pesticide Combinations and Genetic Engineering Flaws
    Lorrin Pang explains the complexity and danger of pesticide interactions, likening multiple chemical combinations to new drugs that require separate safety testing. She quantifies the staggering number of possible chemical combinations in crops treated with numerous pesticides—ranging up to 10^23 combinations—and argues that the potential for toxic effects is enormous, even if not every combination is harmful. Don Huber expands on this, describing how these chemicals persist in the environment and the human body, causing cumulative and overlapping damage, including to reef ecosystems. He emphasizes that the genetic engineering process itself is flawed, based on outdated “one gene, one function” science. He highlights that genetic modification is a mutagenic and teratogenic process that disrupts complex spatial and environmental genetic interactions, often introducing foreign DNA elements like viral promoters and antibiotic resistance genes—none of which exist in traditional breeding. This flawed science underpins the risks associated with current GMO crops.
  • [16:26 → 20:49] Moratorium Justification and Event Details
    Don Huber defends the proposed moratorium as necessary because the current GMO process lacks precaution and independent safety proof. Although some genetically engineered products might eventually prove safe, the general release without rigorous testing is dangerous, particularly given conflicts of interest. The evening event at the McCoy Theater is described as an opportunity for the public to learn directly from these experts about the risks and the petition process. Attendees can obtain petitions and legislative documents and ask questions to better understand how to become involved in protecting Maui County’s environment and health.
  • [20:49 → 25:40] Rising Disease Rates and GMO/Pesticide Toxicity
    The discussion turns to correlations between the rise in diseases such as Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, obesity, and others over the last 20 years with the introduction of chemicals like glyphosate (the active ingredient in Roundup). While not definitive proof, these correlations are concerning. The scientists explain that glyphosate’s toxicity is exacerbated by surfactants like POEA, which increase its cellular penetration. Monsanto’s attempts to downplay these concerns are dismissed by the experts as unscientific. The guests also rebut common pro-GMO arguments that genetic engineering increases crop yield and nutritional value, stating that no GMO crop has been shown to improve intrinsic yield or quality. Instead, GMOs often reduce yield and nutrient density while increasing disease vulnerability.
  • [25:40 → 28:21] Impact on Gut Microbiome and Immune Health
    Don Huber elaborates that glyphosate affects the shikimate pathway, critical not in humans but in the gut microbiome—microorganisms responsible for digestion, vitamin production, and immune function. Glyphosate is patented as a powerful antibiotic and at very low concentrations can kill beneficial gut bacteria, potentially compromising human immune systems and contributing to widespread health issues. This provides a plausible mechanism linking pesticide exposure to rising chronic diseases and immune dysfunction.
  • [28:21 → 31:25] Community Call to Action and Closing Remarks
    Dana wraps up by encouraging viewers to attend the Shaka Movement event to hear from internationally recognized experts and to participate in the petition drive. She mentions that if people cannot attend, information and petition forms are available online at shakamovement.org. The show transitions to a lighter note with a Beatles sing-along led by Louise Lambert, celebrating the 50th anniversary of The Beatles’ appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show, providing a cultural break after the intense discussion.
  • [31:25 → End] Entertainment Segment: Beatles Sing-Along
    Louise Lambert leads a live Beatles sing-along, featuring classic songs like “With a Little Help From My Friends,” encouraging audience participation and enjoyment. This segment brings a communal, joyful close to the broadcast, balancing serious advocacy with cultural engagement.
      1. Key Insights
  • The Shaka Movement is mobilizing to place a ballot initiative in Maui County that demands biotech companies prove the safety of GMOs and associated pesticides before environmental release.
  • There is significant concern from independent scientists about the lack of transparency, scientific censorship, and regulatory reliance on corporate data.
  • The environmental and health risks include increased incidence of birth defects, neurological disorders, respiratory issues, and chronic diseases potentially linked to pesticide cocktails and GMO exposure.
  • The scientific basis for current genetic engineering practices is flawed, ignoring complex genetic and environmental interactions, and often introducing harmful foreign genes.
  • Glyphosate, widely used in GMO agriculture, disrupts gut microbiota critical for immune health and 1. Elderly man and woman performing jazz music on stage with microphones, Maui Neutral Zone event. nutrition, possibly contributing to rising disease rates.
  • The petition drive and public event offer a direct avenue for community involvement to protect local health and environment.
  • The program ends with a cultural segment to engage and uplift the community.
      1. Keywords

GMOs, pesticides, glyphosate, Roundup, public trust doctrine, precautionary principle, genetic engineering, pesticide cocktails, scientific censorship, environmental health, gut microbiome, chronic diseases, Shaka Movement, petition drive, Maui County, regulatory failure.

      1. FAQ

Q: What is the main goal of the Shaka Movement’s petition?
A: To require companies to prove that GMOs and associated pesticides are safe before they are allowed to be used or released in the environment in Maui County.

Q: Why are current regulatory agencies criticized?
A: Because they rely on data provided by biotech companies without conducting independent research, leading to conflicts of interest and insufficient safety verification.

Q: What are the health concerns related to pesticide use?
A: Increased risks of miscarriages, birth defects, neurotoxic diseases, respiratory problems, and chronic illnesses possibly linked to chemical exposure.

Q: How does glyphosate affect human health beyond direct toxicity?
A: It kills beneficial gut bacteria crucial for nutrient absorption and immune function, potentially compromising health and increasing disease susceptibility.

Q: Are all GMOs considered harmful?
A: Not necessarily, but without rigorous safety testing, their environmental and health impacts remain uncertain, prompting the call for a moratorium until proven safe.

Q: How can the public get involved?
A: By attending public events, signing petitions, and visiting shakamovement.org for information and resources.

00:26

Hello and welcome to Akaku Live. I’m Dana. I’m sitting here with the Shaka Movement guys, the experts on the issue. And later we’re going to go into some music, but I’m going to get right to it because we are very limited on time. So here’s Jack Kiss with our news for the day. Music

00:52

Aloha, I’m Jack Gist with your Iowa news headlines. The Maui Police Department is asking for the public’s help to identify a man suspected of robbing a Kihei Bank of Hawaii branch Sunday. The man entered the Kihei Safeway store at 1.57 p.m., approached a bank teller, and handed the teller a note demanding money. Anyone with information regarding this robbery should call Crime Stoppers at 242-6966 or the Maui Police Department at 244-6400.

01:18

State invasive species officials are looking at using Australian dogs trained to sniff out little fire ants to help curb the invasion of the hard-biting species on Oahu and other islands. Taya Penniman, manager of the Maui Invasive Species Committee, said plans are in the works to bring the trained dogs and their handlers to the islands to conduct an assessment for Oahu, Maui, and the Big Island, where little fire ants have been found. I’m Jack Gist with your island news headlines.

01:46

Thanks, Jack, and I’m back. So immediately to my right, I have Mark, Dawn, and Lauren. They’re here from the Shaka Movement, and they have a huge event going on tonight at the McCoy Theater at the MAC. So introduce yourself, Mark.

02:01

Well, Dr. Pang and myself are among five citizens who have introduced a petition that we hope will get on the ballot to require companies using genetic modified organisms and heavy pesticide concentrations

02:17

to prove that those things are safe. There’s a public trust doctrine in Hawaii that we think is really important, and there’s a precautionary principle which says that test things before you release them in the environment. Prove that they are safe, and we’re asking them to do that. I’m Don Huber, emeritus professor of plant pathology at Purdue University, also an international consultant.

02:42

But what we’ve noticed is that the health of our soils, health of our crops, the health of our animals, and the health of our people has continued to deteriorate since the introduction of genetically engineered crops and the chemicals that they produce are engineered to tolerate.

03:03

My name is Lauren Pang. I speak as a private citizen. I’m a physician. I was a consultant for the World Health Organization, teaching practices to evaluate drugs, vaccines, and diagnostics for 20 years. Currently, I’m a professor of medicine at the University of Brasilia in Brazil. I review research for the U.S. Congress.

03:25

My issues have been with GM crops themselves, but recently I’ve learned that a huge number of pesticides have been used, and my issue is with the uncertainty and the combinations. I really expect the biotech companies to do what they can get away with. We’ve seen it with the pharmaceutical companies, but the regulators, whether they be federal, international, state,

03:51

and hopefully the county can enact something to me are asleep at the wheel based on what I’ve taught for the World Health Organization since 1985. All right, and with that, we do have a video. Do you guys want to show that now? Sure. All right, we’re going to take off with this video. Yes, we have all of our documents, and we have a copy of the bill. So I believe we are ready to go.

04:20

This is Mark, lead the way. We’re here at the Maui County building to submit a petition on behalf of the people of Maui County to protect the resources of the island and protect the health and safety of the people from the dangers involved in massive use of pesticides and genetically modified organisms. We will begin a petition drive to put this directly on the ballot so that the voters next November will have a chance to vote in favor of protecting the island

04:49

by invoking a temporary moratorium to cease the use of GMOs and the pesticides associated with them until the company producing those pesticides and releasing those GMOs in an open air environment can prove that they are safe and not harmful to the people, the environment of this county.

05:16

So it’s not based on only economics. It’s based on what are the effects and affects

05:24

onto the environment, the air, the water, the land, the reef, the children, the kupunas, the people. People say, oh, the life of the land is perpetuated through righteousness. That’s bull. You know what that really means? It means life is perpetuated through a balanced pono, a balanced relationship with the land.

05:47

What we poison in our land, we poison ourselves. It’s that simple. They use restricted-use pesticides that by themselves might not be so dangerous, but when you start adding them all together, it becomes a cocktail. And they have not done testing of those cocktails. Miscarriages.

06:07

birth defects and increase, neurotoxic diseases, ADD, ADHD, asthma, allergies. There’s a whole raft of symptoms and diseases that people are experiencing that are known to be directly related to the chemicals that are being used. You’ll hear the statement all the time that there’s a consensus that they’re safe.

06:29

That consensus is between those that have a vested interest in the dollars and the power and the control that come with genetically engineered crops, not from the independent scientists at all. If you really step back, we really may look like we’re just a big experiment, you know, a big research lab to experiment with affecting people, you know. And so, yeah, we’re questionable. Are we being sacrificed?

06:59

We have intense scientific censorship. Cream of the crop that was picked by EPA called together to establish whether genetically engineered crops are safe or not.

07:13

After three years, they gave up in frustration, wrote a letter, said we’re denied access to the materials, we’re denied the opportunity to publish, and you have zero objective information to base any decision on because…

07:31

The research is prohibited by the companies. That’s probably one of the reasons why when the FDA and the EPA just raised the tolerance levels, they said, made a statement to the companies that we make no independent study of the claims. We rely totally on the good faith of the company that these levels are safe.

07:55

I ask all the different Ohanas throughout Maui County, every one of you families have your leaders in your family that you all turn to as to what to do. This is an issue that I ask the leaders of all the families to rise, stand strong, stand firm and make that decision to encourage your family

08:25

to support this move. Very powerful film submitted by these guys, I believe. So what made you join this movement? What brought you?

08:36

People keep asking me, are we really lab rats in some kind of an experiment? And when I look at my friends and see the incidents of people who are passing over with greater and greater frequency, younger people, I begin to really see that there’s something happening here where we’re not connecting the dots.

08:55

When I see that in the past, pesticides have gotten, are in the soil, are in the ocean, get into our water supply, and are blowing around in fugitive dust, I have to believe there’s some connection. I’d like to ask the experts here, is that the case? Does it get from the fugitive dust and into people’s lungs and into people’s food supply?

09:18

They can, not only through the dust and through drift, but you also have the compounding factors of many of the mold toxins, many of the actual allergenic molds that are also increased in this process. There are over 1300 peer-reviewed scientific papers that send up red flags or that actually document

09:46

the health and safety risks of the GMO crops or the compounds that they’re engineered to tolerate. We should really call them as chemical containing crops rather than GMO crops. But the health risks, all of the peer-reviewed science raises serious health risks. We need more studies rather than the suppression of that scientific information.

10:13

My major concern now is because I found out how many chemicals are being used in the name of pesticide control. So we in the medical field have an understanding that when we use two different drugs, that combination is considered a new drug.

10:31

safety-wise, qualitatively, quantitatively, to prove and otherwise, combinations. So when you use two drugs, you’ve got three combinations, drug A and B. There’s A, there’s B, and A and B. When you use four drugs, how many combinations do you have? Fifteen. When you use fifteen chemicals, say sugar cane or pineapple, how many combinations you got? Thirty thousand. When you use forty compounds, say apples or strawberries, how many combinations you got?

10:57

10 to the 13, 1,000 billion. When you use 80 compounds, which I heard the GM crops are using, how many combinations do you have? Each one is new and in and of its own accord. 10 to the 23rd, that’s more than drops in the ocean. It’s more than drops of water in the world.

11:15

it is real likely when you multiply these things on top of each other, you’re going to see some horrendous effects. Not every combination is toxic. Not every combination overlaps. Not every combination is going to cause some chronic disease. But when you got 10 to the 23rd,

11:33

I think you’re asking for big trouble. What’s your definition of combination, health-wise and environment? That means you use the chemicals together, or you use them separately, but they persist in the environment together, or…

11:48

They’re not in the environment together, they’re not used together, but they persist in the body. And the final argument, think about a reef. They never were together, were they? But the damage that occurred overlaps. Use compound A, damage your reef for 20 years. Use compound B, never saw compound A, but the damage overlaps quantitatively and qualitatively. Strange things.

12:11

I’m not saying these things cause it. I’m saying the potential is there. And until it’s proven safe, based on the precautionary principle, don’t do it. Because by the time you see it, a little too late. That makes a lot of sense, actually. So are all GMOs banned? Do we have to ban all of them?

12:27

No. To me, it’s like a drug background. Some are good, some are bad, but somebody’s got to sort this out. I don’t think, I don’t see, and I’m seeing very severe criticism by FDA scientists of the FDA, that the principles that we should act on are not being followed.

12:47

I don’t think those somebodies should be the public of Maui County. Either the people on Molokai or on Maui who are being exposed to these things. I don’t think that’s the way to find out. I think if these are unknown things with known virulence in the chemicals being sprayed and in the possible ability of gene transfer among the genetically modified organisms, that that should be conducted in a laboratory.

13:12

without having to have people exposed and then the public having to prove that they were exposed and it was this was the cause because companies will always say, well, it was the bog or it was something else. They should prove, first of all, that these things are safe. I wanted to ask Dr. Huber about persistence in the environment. How long do many of these chemicals persist in the soil? Well, we know for glyphosate that it can have a half-life as long as 20 years or more.

13:42

The other thing is that our limited knowledge of what we’re doing in genetic engineering doesn’t give us any probability of predicting what the outcome will be. It’s an extremely mutagenic, teratogenic process, so that there are millions of other physiologic changes that take place when you disrupt the integrity of that genetic code.

14:06

because genetic engineering as we’re practicing it today is based on fossil science, based on the idea that there’s one gene and one function. We threw that out

14:19

with the human genome sequencing. We know now that genetics is based on the spatial relationship between the genetic components and then also the environment. So that when you disrupt that spatial relationship between genetic components, you disrupt the entire process.

14:41

extremely mutagenic again, so that there are many proteins, many other toxins that are potentially produced that we have no idea what they are because nobody has looked at it. There’s no such thing as substantial equivalents.

14:57

with any of the normal breeding programs that we use with hybridization because they don’t require a virus promoter gene, they don’t require antibiotic resistant genes and all of those other genetic components that are totally foreign and they’re also transferred in a normal breeding program with all of the control genetics, all of the regulatory genetics.

15:22

so that the entire basis of our current genetic engineering is really flawed science.

15:29

Male and female singers performing with microphones on stage, engaging the audience. So if this moratorium went in, could they ever be proved to be safe? I mean, isn’t that what they’re going to fight tooth and nail for? They could on a case-by-case basis. And in general, when you moratorium a product, you moratorium the product. But in this case, we’re moratorium the process because the process doesn’t seem to believe in precaution. They release multiple cases.

15:54

pesticides, they release genetic modifications, and generally, I don’t like the moratorium process, but in this case, you have no alternative. When they do it correctly, like drugs, they may prove some products to be good.

16:10

And we will weigh the benefits against the risks. But to have blind faith that they’re all good, especially when there’s a conflict of interest, when the guys tell us it’s good, but there’s a financial conflict of interest, that doesn’t wash. That’s not how we do science. That’s not how we do regulation.

16:26

So what are the main talking points? So the event starts at 7 p.m. tonight, correct? The McCoy Theater and the MAC. People who are coming to this, what can they expect? What they can expect is Dr. Pang and myself and the three other people who are presenting this, you saw them on the clip, will be there explaining why we’re introducing this legislation. Then we’re going to explain the petition process because there are a great many people here who are concerned about this issue and want to know what they can do.

16:54

So we will explain the petition process. We will have the petitions there. We will have copies of the bill. So people will be able to come and people have been asking for months now, what can we do to really make a difference here? So this is what they can do to make a difference if they can get there tonight. And then Dr. Huber will be answering questions.

17:13

I want to bring up the issue of the rise of diseases that we never really associated with the environment. Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, obesity. And Dr. Pang presented evidence a couple months ago when he lectured on the topic. And Dr. Huber presented it again Friday night when he was lecturing to a small group of people.

17:34

And it’s a dramatic correspondence, not proof, but correspondence between a couple of dozen major diseases that we’re confronting with now that have increased radically in the last 20 years since the introduction of COVID.

17:49

Roundup, the active ingredient of which is glyphosate, and I wanted to ask about that. Is this a, these correlations? Yeah, there was a publication in Scientific American about Roundup, and they showed that Roundup alone is quite safe, and there was another component called POEA. It’s a surfactant which allows penetration of the Roundup. POEA alone is quite safe, but when used in combination in the lab against cells that represent teratogenicity birth defects,

18:17

It was quite synergistic and potentiating. And Monsanto responded by blog and by comment to that publication. Before I tell you how they…

18:29

responded, I’ll ask any local Monsanto rep here, when you tell me what Monsanto has to say, make sure you quote Dr. Goldstein. Don’t give me your opinion, give me, do your homework, get his opinion, because it’s nonsense. But I don’t want to hear your opinion from Maui. You are represented by Dr. Goldstein, who was here in Maui, representing the medical opinion of Monsanto. Quote it, defend it. Good luck.

18:57

So what do you say to the people who, you know, they go, oh, you can create more food on the same amount of space, and you can put more vitamins in it, and what do you say to the people who have this viewpoint? If I could respond to that, with our limited knowledge of the genetic engineering process,

19:19

We don’t know how to increase yield. There isn’t a single crop out there that’s been genetically engineered that has increased the intrinsic yield of a crop or the quality. Both of those are multi-genetic factors. We’re having problems with one or two in that expression area.

19:39

so that when we say, well, we have to have genetic engineering to meet the world’s increasing population needs, it’s false. Paul Wagner chaired a committee for the CAS, Council on Agricultural Science and Technology, that showed that in 1964, we could produce enough food with the current technology

20:03

for 15 billion people. We’re only anticipating 9 billion people by 2050. It’s a matter of will, it’s a matter of need. Certainly, when you see a 12 to 15 percent reduction in yield with our current genetically engineered crops, that’s not the way to feed a growing world population. And then when you see the reduced nutrient density,

20:30

the increased disease pressures, and all of those other factors that are coming into play that we’re just starting to recognize because glyphosate, for instance, was sold on the basis that it’s safe because humans and animals don’t have this shikimate pathway.

20:49

The problem is that all of our intestinal microorganisms that are responsible for nutrient absorption, for vitamin production, for those three critical aromatic amino acids, all do have that shikimate pathway. And Monsanto has even patented glyphosate as an extremely powerful antibiotic.

21:12

that even in their patent at .075 parts per million kills off all of those organisms that we have to have for our own nutrition and our own happiness. So if I understand that correctly, you’re saying that these organisms get into our gut where 70% of our immune system is happening and compromise our immune system. Is that why people are getting so sick?

21:39

That’s a possibility. Until proven otherwise, I’m going to say that’s possible. All right, we’re going to take a quick break, and we’ll be right back, and we’re going to recoup. Wow, you guys are, that’s really cool.

21:50

I didn’t know all this, but I like learning. Hot Taku Entertainment Report. Right off the bat, the big news is that Bob Dylan returns to Maui on April 26th. Dylan’s new album, Tempest, is getting rave reviews, and the Rolling Stone magazine says Dylan is at the top of his game. Tickets go on sale for MAAC members at 10 a.m. this Saturday and for the general public on March 1st.

22:16

Moving into the week and leaving Sunday behind, on Monday, photographer Douglas Hoffman will present a free program on humpback whales from 5.30 to 7.30 p.m. at the Maui Art Expo store in the shops at Ma’alai Harbor. And on Wednesday at 7.30 p.m., the Aspen Santa Fe Ballet will be at the Max Castle Theater. If you like ballet, then don’t miss this company that has gained worldwide acclaim for their skill and technique.

22:46

That’s it for the Akaku Entertainment Report. I’m Tom Blackburn-Montereygas and we’ll see you right here next week. Mahalo.

22:57

And we’re back after that quick entertainment report. All right, so we’re going to wrap this up. So real quick, why should people come tonight? What are your main talking points? Well, the people should come tonight because they wanted to get the information from two international authorities on the topic, from a medical perspective from Dr. Pang and from a soil science and crop perspective from Dr. Pang.

23:19

We raised the questions when we spoke to him on Friday night about these chemicals and these genetic organisms getting into the environment, into the air and into the water. And it seems to me, if I understood him correctly, that there’s a strong likelihood that these are years ago when the Pineapple Company was using DBCP.

23:42

We objected to their continued use and upon investigation found out that the DVCP was getting into the water supply, into the aquifers, even though they said it would bind with the soil. Is that the case with these organisms and these chemicals? Do they bind with the soil or are they blowing in the air and getting into the water?

24:01

They’re all very strong chelators, but also glyphosate, for instance, Roundup, extremely water-soluble. So we’re finding it in the water, we find it in the air, and certainly EPA has had to continually increase the amount that’s tolerated in our food so that we have levels now that are over 4,000 times

24:24

higher permitted in our food than all of the laboratory studies show are extremely toxic to liver cells, to cancer cells, or not to cancer cells, but liver cells, kidney cells, and also as cancer promoters.

24:39

You should come tonight because you can ask your questions. We’ve repeatedly, three times on Okaku, been turned down from a debate by Monsanto. So if they’re not going to show up and just talk to the public without us there, you bring their questions or what they say to us. What they say is, this is natural. Or these effects are unknown, but they’re not all bad. Lots of fluff when you really think about it. Their arguments are kind of strange.

25:08

And if there were medical people, I’d sue them.

25:12

Mark, Dawn, and Dr. Pang, I am very impressed. If people are not able to get there tonight because it’s already rather late, you can go to shockamovement.org and the highlights will be shown. You’ll be instructed as to how to obtain the petition and sign the petition so that we can put this on the ballot. And then let’s see if the people of Maui County really are concerned about this issue and up to the point where they want to pass this bill and protect themselves.

25:40

All right, so we have an hour and a half for people to get down there. That’s the Mack and McCoy Theater. We’re going to take a quick break, and we’re going to come back with Luis Lambert. Thank you, gentlemen, for being here. It was a pleasure having you. Thank you so much. And we’re going to take a quick break. Thank you, Dan. All right.

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27:05

five and six welcome to live television and we’re back with louise lambert and jason schwartz um yeah we’re setting up this is live television guys so we don’t we this is no script but we definitely do the best we can here hi hi are we on i guess we are yes you are sir okay this saturday night louise lambert

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is doing a sing-along of The Beatles. Can you imagine 50 years since The Beatles came on Ed Sullivan’s show? And so Saturday Night at Mulligan is going to be all kinds of musicians doing all kinds of Beatles songs. And so if you know the words, come on down. If you don’t know the words, they’ll probably be bouncing balls. Don’t be up on the screens. I don’t know the words, but I’ll be dancing. So we only have a few minutes, so why don’t you just start on it? Okay.

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What would you think if I sang out of tune? Would you stand up and walk out on me?

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I get high with a little help from my friends. I get high with a little help from my friends. I get high with a little help from my friends.

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What do I do when my love is away? Well, does it worry you to be all alone? And how do I feel by the end of the day? Are you sad that you’re gone?

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I can’t hide with a little help from my friends. I can’t hide with a little help from my friends. I’m gonna try with a little help from my friends. Do you need anybody?

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I need someone to love. Ooh, could it be anybody? Oh, I need someone. Oh, I get by with a little help from my friends.

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All my friends are singing along. I get high with a little help from my friends. Everybody sings the Beatles, but I try with a little help from my friends. Would you believe in a love at first sight? Well, I’m certain, but it happens all the time.

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And what do you see when you turn out the light? I’m not certain, but I know that you are I get high with a little help from my friends I get high with a little help from my friends

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my prayers I get high with a little help from my prayers

 

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