More with former Mayor HANNIBAL TAVARES in 1997; Singing friends and then SAGE from Ishpiming in Wisconsin, and MATTHEW BRASS
Summary & Timestamped Transcript Below…
The video transcript captures a rich and multifaceted conversation centered on spirituality, healing, personal transformation, and cultural reflections, framed within a warm, informal setting featuring hosts and guests including Sage, Airielle, Mayor Tavares, and artist Matthew Brass. The dialogue weaves through various themes such as the power of prayer, the process of conscious ascension, the challenges and blessings of following spiritual guidance, and the importance of boldness in personal growth.
Sage, a spiritual teacher and author from Wisconsin, shares her journey of creating Ishpiming, a healing and educational center, which was inspired by a profound inner calling despite her initial reluctance. She emphasizes the importance of faith, courage, and moving beyond the ego’s comfort zone to embrace one’s mission on Earth. The conversation highlights the transformative power of prayer and consciousness work, reinforced by personal anecdotes including Mayor Tavares’ heart attack experience and miraculous healing attributed to prayer.
The discussion also touches on practical concerns like food irradiation and its impact on health and commerce, reflecting the community’s connection to environmental and cultural integrity. Artistic expression enters the narrative through Matthew Brass, whose artwork symbolizes breath and passion, reinforcing the theme of creative embodiment of spiritual experiences.
The dialogue culminates in a shared vision of collective healing and ascension, underscored by the metaphor of “jumping off cliffs” into boldness and transformation, supported by mutual trust and compassion. The participants advocate for embracing the present moment, affirming self-love, and acknowledging the interconnectedness of all life as keys to personal and planetary healing.
Highlights
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[03:47] ? Discussion on food irradiation and its effects on health and trade, especially concerning Hawaiian papaya.
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[08:12] ? Powerful testimony on the healing effects of prayer during Mayor Tavares’ heart attack.
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[18:04] ? Introduction to Matthew Brass’ art and its connection to breath and passion.
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[24:41] ? Sage reveals her prolific authorship of six books in one year, focusing on spiritual and healing themes.
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[26:11] ? The founding of Ishpeming, a healing center inspired by a spiritual calling and built on faith and courage.
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[38:04] ?￢ﾀﾍ♀️ The “Remembering Sessions” as a method for personal transformation and consciousness-shifting.
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[44:39] ? Insight on faith as a catalyst for action and blessing, challenging resistance from the ego.
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[46:00] ? Matthew Brass praises Sage’s boldness and the transformative power of fearless spiritual work.
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[54:12] ? The collective mission of healing and ascension as a shared, effortless journey supported by universal assistance.
Key Insights
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[03:47] ? Food Irradiation vs. Alternative Technologies: The discussion reveals community concerns about irradiating food, particularly Hawaiian papaya, highlighting fears about nutrient loss and consumer rejection (e.g., Japanese markets). Alternative treatments like thermoacoustics and hot water systems are suggested as more natural and less harmful options, reflecting a broader desire to maintain food integrity and cultural authenticity.
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[08:12] ? Prayer’s Measurable Healing Power: Mayor Tavares’ near-death experience and recovery underscore the scientifically supported power of prayer and collective spiritual support. The story emphasizes how interfaith prayer transcends cultural and religious boundaries, contributing to profound physical healing and emotional resilience.
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[26:11] ? Faith as a Foundation for Creation and Courage: Sage’s journey in founding Ishpeming demonstrates how faith acts as a driving force to overcome fear, loneliness, and uncertainty. Her story teaches that embracing the unknown and trusting the “still small voice” can catalyze tangible manifestations of healing spaces and community support—even without external validation.
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[38:04] ?￢ﾀﾍ♀️ Consciousness-Shifting Through “Remembering Sessions”: These sessions aim to help individuals recall their spiritual mission, understand their relationships as teachers, and transmute past trauma. The approach highlights the integration of emotional, mental, and spiritual healing, fostering a holistic transformation that empowers people to reclaim their divine purpose.
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[44:39] ? Faith vs. Ego Resistance: The dialogue stresses that resistance often arises from the ego’s preference for comfort zones, which inhibits growth and blocks blessings. True progress requires moving forward despite discomfort, trusting that blessings will follow. This insight challenges common spiritual waiting games and encourages proactive faith-based action.
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[46:00] ? Boldness as Spiritual Power: Matthew Brass highlights how Sage’s boldness in spiritual work serves as a catalyst for deep transformation. Boldness here is not arrogance but a fearless presence that holds space for others to explore their own depths. This dynamic interplay between teacher and seeker creates a safe container for confronting and integrating “madness” or shadow aspects.
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[54:12] ? Collective Ascension as a Shared Mission: The conversation affirms that personal healing is inseparable from planetary healing. By dedicating oneself to consciousness raising and forgiveness, individuals contribute to a collective shift. This mission is supported by visible and invisible allies, making the process “easy and effortless” once committed. The emphasis on “I am open” statements signals a shift from passive hoping to active embodiment.
Extended Analysis
The video transcript functions as a spiritual tapestry, blending personal stories, cultural concerns, and metaphysical teachings into a cohesive narrative about transformation. The recurring motif of faith—both as trust in the unseen and as a commitment to act despite doubts—anchors the dialogue. Sage’s story about founding Ishpeming is particularly instructive, illustrating how spiritual callings can disrupt expected life paths but ultimately lead to expanded purpose.
The emphasis on healing modalities, from prayer to consciousness-shifting sessions, reveals an integrative approach that values emotional, physical, and spiritual dimensions equally. These practices are not abstract but grounded in lived experience, as seen in Mayor Tavares’ heart attack recovery and Sage’s own journey through trauma and forgiveness. This lends credibility and relatability to the teachings, making them accessible to viewers who may be skeptical of purely theoretical spirituality.
The notion of “jumping off cliffs” metaphorically describes the process of surrendering to spiritual growth, confronting fears, and embracing vulnerability. The dialogue acknowledges the natural human tendency to resist change but frames resistance as a sign of approaching a significant breakthrough. This perspective empowers listeners to reinterpret discomfort as a positive indicator rather than a barrier.
Matthew Brass’ reflections add a dimension of creative embodiment, suggesting that art and spirituality are intertwined expressions of the same life force. His characterization of Sage’s boldness as both challenging and nurturing captures the delicate balance required in effective spiritual mentorship.
Finally, the communal aspect of the conversation—inviting people to join seminars, festivals, and healing centers—reinforces the importance of supportive environments in sustaining transformation. The references to indigenous words like “Ishpeming” (meaning heaven) and cultural symbols like Pele’s story root the dialogue in place and tradition, enriching the universal themes with local significance.
Overall, the transcript provides a compelling exploration of how individuals and communities can navigate the complexities of spiritual awakening, balancing faith, courage, and practical action to co-create a more healed and conscious world.
Conclusion
This video transcript is a heartfelt and in-depth exploration of spiritual healing, personal transformation, and community building. It highlights the interplay of faith, prayer, boldness, and consciousness work as essential components of growth. The participants’ authentic sharing and mutual respect create a powerful model for engaging with life’s challenges and mysteries with openness and courage. Through stories, teachings, and creative expression, the conversation invites viewers to embrace their own journeys of remembering, healing, and collective ascension.
Transcript
02:48
You guys look so good together.
03:17
I think I need a hug. You look beautiful. You feel beautiful, too. We’re back here with Ariel. We’ve got Ariel back with us and Mayor Tavares and me. You know, we’ve had a lot of fun being here with you.
03:47
Yeah, except I didn’t get to talk about this radiation issue. Yeah. You know, I don’t know what you’ve been told, but what my… Well, I’ve read the pros and cons, and it’s hard to decide which is right. You know, I know there’s some dangers either way. But I do know that if they find a system of getting rid of the bugs, you can’t beat our papaya.
04:13
Well, my understanding is that when we radiate that food, we’re killing all of the food value in the food. And we’re also then, we’re taking that radiated food, the person that eats it, and it’s putting that radiated food in their body. By the time you start eating it, it’s gone. There’s nothing left.
04:38
I really have a hard time with that because I find that hard to believe. I’d like to be sure about that. I find that real hard to believe because if you take something and radiate it, it doesn’t go away. The effects of that radiation don’t go away.
04:53
Top dogs on both sides and boys are there to debate the question. There’s a good story in this morning’s paper about that. I didn’t read it. I’d like to. I’ll look for it. The one that gets me is I know when we hear that the Japanese don’t want our produce if it’s irradiated. Sure. I think we should take that quite to heart. A lot of people will not buy it if it is. Oh, I know. So they got to…
05:15
Consider that as a major point. Well, that’s why I brought up about that thermoacoustics, that new technology that could be used that’s inexpensive that would be able to solve the problem and not irradiate produce. It should be looked on. It absolutely should be looked on. They tried the hot water system, and it worked all right, but it interfered with the quality of the fruit.
05:38
But it kills the stuff okay. Well, I think almost anything is better than radiation and the insecticides, you know, because we don’t want to take that into our body. It’s like when we think about Hawaii. We take enough stuff as it is. We sure do. And when we think about Hawaii, the vision, when someone gets a piece of fruit from Hawaii, the vision is that they’re getting this wonderful fruit. Yeah.
06:03
from someplace that’s full of sunshine and it’s healthy, you know, it’s very healthy. That reminds me of, I was making a speech once on the mainland, and some guy raises his hand and says, what makes you think that cane sugar is better than beet sugar? Kind of got me stuck. I said, well, I went out to a beet farm today, and I saw them harvesting the beet sugar, and they dig it out of the ground in an ugly-looking thing,
06:33
I can’t imagine that that would be anywhere near that beautiful cane stock that’s growing in the Hawaiian sun and kissed by the Hawaiian breezes. It just could not be the same.
06:44
They all laughed. That was the end of the story. What a great answer. I can visualize that one. And it is. The beet is an ugly-looking beet. You look at it. The beet is a funny-looking thing, isn’t it? But it’s so yummy and so good for us. The sugar is okay. Chemically, there’s almost no difference. But the housewife will tell you, whether it’s her imagination, I think it’s her imagination,
07:15
that you cannot beat cane sugar for pastries. Oh, baking, absolutely. You have to have cane sugar. I don’t know why that would be so. Well, you don’t have to. There are things that I know how to make without cane sugar, but you can make some yummy things with maple syrup. Right now we’re making a lot of things with equal sugar. Ah, try maple syrup. Maple syrup. I have diabetes, so there are things I cannot use. Oh. But the equal is okay.
07:44
And it’s sweet. I got a sweet tooth as long as it tastes sweet. That’s because you’re so sweet. Well, it’s been so wonderful to have you here today. Oh, thank you. I know that all these wonderful people here have enjoyed having your presence. You know, the thing that really hit home one day was when I ended up in the hospital and I was there. Mm-hmm.
08:12
story in the paper that I had a slight heart attack. Practically every church came to my room, Buddhists, Mormons, Catholics, Protestants. I couldn’t believe it. They all came to pray for me. Wow. That’s so wonderful. It helped. Prayer is, you know, they now have scientific studies done on the power of prayer.
08:39
I love that. That’s true. I’ve always believed that. Yes. I’ve always believed that. Yes. It’s so effective. You know, like when I had my open-heart surgery, I died on the operating table for eight seconds. Wow. They massaged my heart, and it started going again. It’s been going ever since. They put a pastry in. Everything’s fine. And I have not a doubt that all those people praying for you made all that difference.
09:09
all those prayers began to make a difference. Absolutely. You know, I have a little story that
09:17
someone i know tells that her workshops that had happened an actual story about the power of prayer and this um woman was in a car accident a pretty bad car accident and she went out of her body and she could see all of these cars around her she could hear what was going on in these other cars
09:40
And she could hear people saying things like, oh, no, not now. I have to get to work. Oh, this is just what I need. You know, all this stuff that people do when this kind of traffic jam happens. And from this one car, there was this incredible light radiating. And she was attracted to it. And she, like, was attracted to this light. And this woman in the car was praying for her.
10:04
And she was so touched. And she said that it made the difference in her life. And somehow, I guess she was conscious enough to get the license plate of this woman. The surgeon was telling me about my heart stopping. And he said, did you experience anything? So I kind of put on my acting face and I said, yeah, as a matter of fact, I did experience that. What was that? Well, I found myself
10:33
talking to St. Peter, and he brought out his big book, and he was going down the list, and he says, Tavares, Hannibal, he asked, oh, it says that you used to be the mayor of Maui County. I said, yeah, that’s right. He said, well, we’re sending you back.
10:50
Because we don’t want any mayors up here. You guys want to take over? The doctor looked at me and said, did he say that? That’s so funny. The prayers were powerful. The prayers were powerful.
11:07
Very powerful. The outcome of this story is she healed, and she went to this lady’s house through her license plate and brought her flowers and thanked her, and this lady was blown away. She felt that it made a big difference. That reminds me. Every June, I send a bouquet of flowers to my surgeon in Honolulu. Yeah. And I just have a short note saying, thanks for saving my life.
11:35
He wrote back to me and said, the first guy ever did that. How wonderful. We’ve enjoyed having you here with us. I wish we had more time to go on. And you’re a welcome guest. If you’ll ever like to come back, we’d love to have you. In fact, we would even make you our third host. Moe, Larry, and Curly. I don’t know which is which. That’s us.
12:02
Well, thank you, everyone, for being here with us with Mayor Tavares and Arielle and myself here on Mama Presents. We hope to see you again. Aloha. Aloha.
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Aloha. Love is what a song we sing. Fear’s the way we die.
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You can make the mountains ring Or make the angels cry Though the bird is on the wing And you may not know why
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Come on people now Smile on your brother Everybody get together Gonna love one another right now Come on people now Smile on your sister Everybody get together Gonna love one another right now Come on people now
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Some will come and some will go. We shall surely pass. When the one that brought us here returns for us at last. We are but a moment’s sunlight fading in the grass.
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Come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, gonna love one another right now. Come on people now, smile on your sister, everybody get together, gonna love one another right now.
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If you hear the song I sing, you will understand. You hold the key to love and fear all in your trembling hands.
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Just one key, I’d watch them go. It’s there in your command. Come on, people now.
15:00
Smile on your brother, everybody get together Gonna love one another right now Yeah, come on people now Smile on your sister, everybody get together Gonna love one another right now Right now, right now
Matthew Brass, Sarah Sparkle & Sage
15:30
Yes! That was gorgeous. That looks so good. I think it’s a tick. I think it’s a tick. You’re done. You’re done. Take it away. Sarah. Hi. Welcome to the kitchen.
15:49
Right behind me is one of the most exquisite pieces of art that Matthew has created. Yeah, I didn’t see that. Hi. How you doing? Aloha. Never put it down. Let’s see where we are. Oh, isn’t that one incredible? Where’s the artiste himself? I bet he’s inside somewhere. Wow. What part of that is your favorite? It’s hard to tell. Aloha. Aloha. Hi, Matthew.
16:20
Welcome to our show. In fact, thank you for having us here in your house. I hope you’ll have us back. I’d love to do an interview with you someday to look around more closely at your art and your inspiration. Besides this beautiful lady and your wonderful little one, huh? Oh, very inspiring. Oh, yeah. What piece, what do we call that one? I don’t even know what it needs a name. It’s breathtaking. On Fire for the Great.
16:48
And it was very much about finding my breath in a place that took my breath away. That is a passionate piece. Wow. Thanks. Well, I hope you’ll have us back in here another day. I just wanted to come in and steal the incredible opportunity to be here and see so much beautiful art from you in the place that you created here. Sure. Take a peek at the one that’s like in the middle right now. Come show me. Come this way. Maybe in the future you can see it. Where is it?
17:15
That’s right in here. Right in here, in the studio. Into the studio. Could we ask for more? This is awesome. Wow. Let me look. Well, let us look. That shouldn’t be rude. Wow. What do we call this one? This is gorgeous. I haven’t had a name come to me yet. Oh, yeah. Let me just see if I can get a nice view on it here with the light. But I’ve been thinking lately how it might be interesting to show a piece
17:43
beginning, middle, and end. And since this is in its middle stages, I’ve worked out for two nights to put things that have been coming to me. Wow. It’ll be interesting, maybe another few evenings of work to see it complete. Yeah. Well, thank you for having us here. You’re welcome. Let’s see if I can get the other way, huh?
18:04
Well, thank you for having us here. I really appreciate on such short notice, like no notice, being here. Thank you, guys. Hi, everybody. I’m White Raven. And I just told Jason that I was going to tell him my Pele story. Oh, yeah. And when I first came to the Big Island and my friends, we were doing an underwater birth film.
18:29
My friends took me to one of these big events and they said, oh, wait, let me see this. We all go down this hole and we go in this place and we’re sitting there steaming. Oh, it was fantastic. I loved it. And they all wanted to go do something else. I said, just leave me here. Just pick me up on the way back. I’ll be happy. So I’m in there meditating and everything is just wonderful. And then all of a sudden…
18:53
whoosh, you know. What was that? This huge blast of steam. I mean, it was strong. This hot steam, and I jumped up, and I just blew out of that hole. I ran up that ladder, and I got up on this rock that was outside, and I go, oh, wow, elephant, you are something. I mean, yes, oh, you know. And just then, I hear this, grrrr.
19:23
This very distinct growl. I go, oh my God. Grrr. And again, I go, oh my God. There’s no animals in Hawaii? Well, I do. So I said, okay, I get it, spirits. I’m out of here. I will wait up on the road. Thank you very much. So I went out, and about eight years later, someone says to me, oh yeah, Pele often comes like a white dog.
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And I go, click! Whoa, that was so heavy. So I went up to Kilauea. I took my offerings. I threw them in to Pele. And I’ve never had any trouble since then. Wow. And you’re sitting in front of Matthew’s baby. That’s what made me think of the story. Well, thank you for sharing with us. Okay.
20:17
That was wonderful. Come, let’s join Joseph’s birthday and Sage. I have to bring the salad out. Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you guys for no notice. We love this. Don’t you like being on world TV? Hey, we are TV. We’re dream makers. That’s who we are. Aloha.
Aloha. Sage, I’m going to put this away in a moment, but I just want you to know
20:43
We love you. Would you agree here, group? Absolutely. Big time. We agree. And is that? Quantum yummy love. Yummy. Yummy. Special. Terrific. Terrific. We love you. Beautiful. You’re in our hearts. Open hearted. It’s been a pleasure to have you. Thank you for calling.
21:05
What does it say? It’s nice to have someone call you up and say they saw something you did and then just come on in and add so much. You’ve added so much to our community. Yes, group? Yes. Do we want Sage back for a seminar? Yay! See that? Saw the Candida program the other night. Oh, yeah? That you did on Channel 13. I knew you wanted me to say that for my parting words on this shot. Candida, I like that.
21:35
That’s a new song. That’s it. Clear it away. All that candy now. It was about…
21:48
It was about candida and environmental health and sugar cane burning and what we can do that’s positive and still make money and be positive. And, hey, it’s just like you, you know. It’s been nice, you know. It’s also nice to know with the special gift that you have of living, breathing joy, which I know very well because I live with Ariel, that…
22:14
There’s joy all around the planet, and you’ve gone so much and so far, and we all have so far to go, but when I ramble, I ramble. Mahalo for the rambler. We love you. Manitowish Waters, Wisconsin, you lucky place for having Sage there. They don’t all feel so lucky, but yeah.
22:37
Those that don’t are yet to be… We’ll bring them to Maui. They’ll see you in Maui. Wouldn’t that be funny? They come to Maui to see you because they didn’t want to see you at home. That would be great. Anyway, we’re going to… I think the word is give a fond aloha. Thank you for joining us on the spur of the moment. Thank you, Jason. You’re welcome. Happy birthday, Jason. Aloha. Aloha.
23:07
I’m going to kiss the mustache off. Aloha. This is Jason, and I’m here in a great sandwich. Or actually, I’m in the middle of two pieces of love bread. I’m here with beautiful Miss Ariel and beautiful Miss Sage. Miz. Miz. Oh, well. Cosmic joke. Cosmic joke.
23:33
Sage is here joining us on Mama Presents. We have a guest. This is one of those rare times where someone comes to our island and we say, hey, you know, let’s bring a treat to Maui. Let’s bring someone here who they may not have seen close up and personal in quite this way. Sage, you’re from? Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Sort of weather like we have today. Oh, it’s snowing here.
24:01
What was that? Someone moved in. We’re going to talk to you in a while. We have a couple of your books here. Sage has written, I guess I like to describe you as, besides being an incredible, joyous being who gets to the heart of all my issues before I even want to.
24:26
Sage is a teacher and I guess a constant student. Absolutely. And a writer. How many books did you do this year? Three published, three or more to be published this year. Six books in one year.
24:41
Bravo. Well, thank you so much for doing that. That’s how much you’re all talking to me. This is an enviable position to be in. Between two wonderful ladies here. Sage is from Manitowish Waters, Wisconsin. Now, I don’t know how many of you have been there, but if you went down to downtown Manitowish Waters,
25:04
Is there such a thing as a downtown Manitowoc? Two blocks long. Two blocks long, okay. You would see the entrance to a humble place. It started as an acre, and now it’s 52 acres of education, learning, and healing center called Ishpeming.
25:28
The only reason I’m so good at this is Ishpeming is a word I should let you talk rather than me talk. That’s okay. You’re quite eloquent. Ishpeming is a Chippewa Indian word, and it means heaven.
25:41
And so you named the center after heaven. To remind myself that that’s where I live. Because sometimes I forget like everybody else. Yay. I love that. Isn’t that true that we do need to be reminded? Now, you have this center. How long has this center been functioning? This is the seventh year. Seventh year. And what inspired you to do this?
26:11
All of you inspired me. All of me? Through the voice of the one. Okay. I was sitting in one of the rental cabins and the voice said, build it. And I said, it was just like the field of dreams. And I said, you’ve got to be kidding me. Because I just finished with the feminist movement and I was wanting to have some quiet time and some down time. You’re from Wisconsin? Milwaukee. I lived in Milwaukee most of my life. I see. And…
26:39
You had property up there? Is that what you’re talking? I just had a couple acres and a cabin, a 50-year-old cabin. And you just decided, or a spirit suddenly came to you and said, hey, you think you’re going to retire quietly here in the woods. We have other plans for you. That’s right. And I think, you know, I had worked with a spiritual teacher for several years, clearing lots of emotional layers and…
27:06
mental layers, and layers of opening up to who I was and what my place was on the planet. And at that point, I thought I was done because I had finished all my goals, dreams, and desires for physical manifestation, spiritual manifestation, and emotional manifestation on the planet. And I said, well, my journey here must be over.
27:22
And that’s when the voice asked me to create the center. And I said, you’ve got to be kidding. Guess what? I wanted to be done done. And then the other part of it was that having lived in poverty all my life and now I had overcome it, I had accrued a large sum of money and I was being asked to give it up and build some buildings for some people who I’d never met.
27:44
And it was the first time in my life I didn’t have a partner standing at my side. And I was being asked to do something with no one in physical form saying, write on or go for it. I was alone with this still small voice. It takes a lot of courage and a lot of trust. So then I thought, well, what are the worst things that can happen?
28:06
The neighbors will kill me. Well, I’ll get another body. I’ll use all the money up. Well, I’ll go make some more. No one will come. I’ll sell the building. And then I began. And I think that when we go to our darkest, deepest shadow places and say, what’s the worst thing that can happen, and face that head on, then we’re able to move forward. That’s a tool that I’ve been using for years, and I love it. You know, what’s the worst? What’s the worst? What’s the bottom line worst that can happen if you do this?
28:36
And then it’s not so bad. So I agree with that 100%, don’t you? Yes, but I’m not real clear at envisioning the worst. We always can ask Ariel or I. Thanks, guys. Or Matthew. You know, because I would like to, I think we should bring some of these in. This is Our Journey Home, A Guide for Conscious Ascension.
29:04
This is one of the books, yes? This is volume one, two. Volume two. There are three volumes, too. Our Journey Home. You’re just very prolific. We’re missing volume one. This is volume three. At your local bookstores and at Ishpeming. And you can order it by mail.
29:22
And what I really do, and this volume two is nice because it’s got a lot of colored pictures of the center and stuff. Beautiful. And there I sit down at the computer and you all tell me what to write and I write. So they’re really our books. You know, it’s all the same stuff. Relationships, incest, rape, money, forgiveness, learning from your teachers, remembering everyone’s your teacher.
29:45
Remembering how to transmute duality and illusion and what you came for and what your mission is. Same stuff everybody writes about, just with a little different twist, a little more boldness, another edge to it. Yeah. From Mother, Father, God. After I pass, lay down your weapons. Do you have any favorites? Yes.
30:09
I haven’t looked at it since I published it. You don’t think I’m egotistical, do you? So you have people coming to your center and you teach there? I teach there and around the planet and other people teach there. What I did the first five years is I only had other people teaching because I didn’t know that I was capable of that.
30:36
I thought I was to be the eternal toilet cleaner at Ishpeming. So as usual, the joke was on me. I still clean the toilets. So the first five years, I had people come and sponsored them in seminars. And whoever, I didn’t have to meet them. I always just, if I saw their ad somewhere or heard of them, I just called and said, do you want to come and do a seminar? And they said, sure. And they came and did their seminar. So these are people from all over the country. Right. Mostly Midwest, but all over the country.
31:06
How wonderful. So what are the seminars about or like? What do you do? Well, they had been a myriad of things. Now, this year, I’m going to be doing them, but the other years, it was everything. It was rebirthing and, you know, holotropic breath and shamanic. So it was different people coming into the center to offer their beautiful works. Yeah, right. How wonderful. And then I took all those seminars, so it helped to fine-tune me. That’s a good way to do it. It’s awfully expensive otherwise. Well, it’s very expensive to have a center just to have a seminar. Absolutely.
31:35
Well, yeah, but that’s a way to convince yourself that you can do this. Okay, let me hold up here. We’ve got the new catalog, which just came out, so people can write or call for that.
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Sage and Ishpeme. And it tells you how to get to the center and what’s offered. And it also has resources of other things that are going on in the Midwest and other people and the kind of work they’re doing. People that I’ve worked with personally or have done seminars at the center that I highly recommend, you know, to do inner child or holotropic breath or modalities that I’m not working in. Let me steal this moment.
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I’m going to steal this moment to make sure that you out there have some phone numbers and addresses. Because as we talk, we may forget this, but I don’t want to. Area code 715-686-2372. 715-686-2372. Sage and Ishpeming. I love that word. I-S-H-P-I-M-I-N-G. Ishpeming.
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This is a beautiful spot. Wow. It’s email sage at new worth, excuse me, sage at new north dot net.
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And you also have a website, www.n-e-w-n-o-r-t-h dot n-e-t slash i-s-h-p-i-m-i-n-g. Is this catalog all on the web? No. Yes, the whole catalog’s on the web. You just don’t have me access it for you, but it’s all on the web. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
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You’re a computer whiz, huh? I just pay the techies. Now, you’re having a festival, the Festival of the Little People. The planet’s having a festival. I’m helping to promote it. The elementals of life. Tell us more about this and what this is about. Well, there’s people all around the country doing this. It’s called Festival of the Little People, and it’s an opportunity for us to come as trolls and angels and…
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sprites and elves and gnomes and whoever we would like to be and play and dance and sing and do seminars and have booths and this is going to be august 22nd this summer outside of minneapolis and this is the first of 11 festivals that have been that are being planned and so this is the first one the rest will be in other parts of the planet and there is an 800 number
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Which Jason can read. There’s an 800 number. 585-9389. 585-9389. Minnesota. It’s fun. Boy. A little people festival. Can we bring… What do you mean, a little people festival? Because elves and trolls and gnomes have been…
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thought of as little, but I think we’re big, too. We are. So what the poster says is, once upon a moment, the Earth was a garden, and all creatures and all elements came together and celebrated while the little people smiled. The moment is now. We are celebrating in the garden, and the little people are still smiling. So anyway, if you want to donate money, time, energy, have a booth, or come play with us,
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That sounds really very lovely. I love the poster. It’s a very beautiful swirl of moon faces in here. You know, you would not believe it, Ariel, but when first Sage and I met, she had seen another show that we did with Dr. Yvonne and called me. And I was in the middle of…
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Oh, I would say anger. Would you call that anger? I would definitely call it anger. I was in the middle of… It’s one of your favorite teachers. One of my favorite teachers. And I was so enraged. We were in the process of doing a radio show. And I guess it gave us a good basis for what to talk about. Because I’m not angry, you may not have that kind of quality of this. You know…
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I would like to be able to share some of who and what you are and what brought you to Maui and what your influences are and were. And both you guys both know John Ray. Both of you worked with John, huh? He’s a wonderful man. Yeah.
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Why don’t we begin wherever it’s comfortable? I’d just like to get a feeling for who you are. Why did you come to Maui from a beautiful place like frozen Wisconsin? It’s not always frozen, is it? No, it’s not frozen in July or August. So you go there July and August. Unless you like the frozen. What brought you to Maui? That same spirit that said to build the center and they will come.
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And they told you to come to Maui. And I was directed to come to Maui. No, I didn’t want to come. I’m one of the few people on the planet that does not like hot, tropical places. I’m a cold-weather woman. Well, you got it. You created that one well. So here I am. So I worked here in the 80s with Dr. John Ray, who was a naturopathic doctor doing body electronics, which was the modality for changing and shifting ourselves in the planet.
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And we used iridology and cranial work and reflexology and acupressure and herbs. And the bottom line was to get to the grief and the fear and the anger and the pain to do the consciousness shift for yourself and thereby heal the planet because we’re all one body, mind, and spirit, aren’t we, Jason? And to let go of all those things that we hold on to.
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to make us know who we are. Why is everyone looking here at me? Well, I was looking at you because Sage was looking at you, so I thought you had some answers for us. So I worked with John for three years in various parts of the planet and freed myself mostly. And then it was actually after, I’d say it’s been a 10-year process, you know.
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But he was my teacher who taught me how to do. His rule thing was you teach people correct principles and let them govern themselves. So you give them the universal laws and you tell them how they can shift if they want to. Let go of their fear, grief, anger, and pain. And then you let go of them. You just give them the tools. So now I move on to do that work in a different way, but it’s really the same stuff.
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I’ve let go of all the herbs, acupressure reflexology, and iridology, and I do the consciousness-shifting work with people. So you do basically… I call it remembering sessions. Vocabulary-wise type of work. Yes, I remember what our mission is, what we’re doing here, why we chose particular people, why we chose our parents, how everybody is our teacher and our guide and our savior, and…
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And how everyone helps us to shift and grow. I love that remembering sessions. Remember. Remember yourself. That’s a great, great name. I really love that. Well, you know, as we talked about earlier, I too worked with John Ray for many years when he was in and out of here with his beautiful center. And he’s really a brilliant healer. And I think a great humanitarian.
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One of the finest on the planet. I can absolutely appreciate what you’re saying. And he was a wonderful, and is, a wonderful teacher. He brought us those minerals that… Oh, did they taste funny? But I had an incredible experience with him. We had a little fight happen, breakout. There was a meeting, and with some people, there was a fight that broke out outside the meeting. And I went outside to try to stop…
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despite me. And I got slugged, which I couldn’t believe. And it broke my jawbone. And the ambulance came to take some people away that were hurt. And John looked at me and he looked at the ambulance people and he said, no, no, you don’t need to take her.
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He said, she’s been on my minerals. She’s been working with me. He said, we can fix her jaw. And I went, okay. And sure enough, boom, about an hour later after things had calmed down, we sat there. We reviewed the feeling of what had taken place in that moment. And it was gone. The only thing that was there the next day was just a slight black and blue color.
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Like right above the jawline, but ever so slight. I mean, you would never think that it had been in the situation it had been in hours ago. And that sounds like a John Ray commercial, doesn’t it? Well, the premise is that you can go back into the energy, no matter what it is, and you consciously relive it, just as if it’s happening. And then you can recreate it with unconditional love and understanding. You then regenerate that part of the body which has been damaged.
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Yes. Or the emotional layer, or whatever it is, but it’s all combined, and you regenerate it, and so you become younger, there’s a new life force and vibration to that particular organ, and your consciousness
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Makes you a new being. I tell you, it’s a wonderful way to work, and I’ve worked with lots of modalities, and I’ve experienced instant healing, you know, quite a few times with myself and with others. And this was a really beautiful way to do it. It was a wonderful way to watch him work. It’s a powerful package. And so I honor your work.
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I was just looking at your book here, and I don’t know very much about you either because I just got back to the island, and Jason’s been spending some time with you. And so I’m really interested in what you are, and I’m so enthralled with your books. They look wonderful, and I’m grateful that you put these out for people to use because I think at this time it’s so important. And I love this one.
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Remember I said to you something earlier about faith? Mm-hmm. Can I use that word, faith? I have it. Faith needs a strong belief that something is so, even though it hasn’t appeared yet. Faith created everything of this world and us. Faith will also serve you negatively. If you believe you will be hurt, broke, doomed, die, raped, or hurt in any way, it will happen.
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And then there was a nice little period after that. I think that’s very powerful information, especially at this time for people to understand.
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You want me to talk about faith? Yeah. Well, so it was faith. When I heard that spirit, it doesn’t matter. We’re all given the opportunity 20 or 30 or 100 times a day. So it was faith that I created that center, which then brought me to my fullness as a teacher, a healer, as a master on a mission.
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And then all the people who came there to work on themselves or to work with me. And then it was that same faith that brought me to Maui, that I didn’t have to know and understand why I was coming. When I got here, I would know. I would know I was meeting you. I would find out I would do a deck with Matthew. I would find out there were people to do seminars with. I would work on channeling another book. And that there were hundreds and hundreds of blessings. All you need to do is…
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is to follow that still small voice which is this voice of all of us and then people often say well how do you know what voice it is it really doesn’t matter no matter what you’re going to learn something it doesn’t matter it’s the voice of god or the voice of ego and both are holy voices because you’re always going to learn from either one aren’t you you know so
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People are always looking like, well, prove to me that I should do this or that I should work with this teacher or that I’m going to make money if I start a center or that there’s someone that wants to read my book. No, you just go down the road and you do it, and then you get the blessings. Otherwise, you have no faith. And yet you’re waiting for everything to come to you, and it can never come to you because you’re a faithless being. And that’s OK. But then say, I honor my faithlessness. And that’s why I don’t get many blessings. Amen.
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And don’t act like someone’s keeping the blessings from you because you’re the only one that can keep the blessings from you. Right on. Right on. Yes, exactly. So the more resistance, I think this is important, the more resistance I feel about going to Maui or building a center or writing another book or whatever it is,
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the more I really know at my light level that the larger the blessing is going to be. The more I feel the resistance from my ego, and it doesn’t feel comfortable, and there’s no comfort zone, the more blessings there shall be. So a lot of people, though, are operating…
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in the agenda that well if something doesn’t feel right i’m not supposed to do it well who is it not feeling right to you know it’s usually not feeling right to the comfort zone of your ego and so therefore you don’t move any energy you don’t think differently you don’t do differently you don’t go differently well you know 20 years from now you’re still saying why don’t i have abundance and why don’t i have my perfect partner and why don’t i hear and feel spirit and why is my heart chakra not open and what’s wrong with my third eye and
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You know, you’re endlessly sitting there waiting for life to happen to you, you know. Just move in faith. There’s always a blessing. Absolutely. Move in faith. There’s always a blessing. There’s always a blessing. Sounds like a good bumper sticker. It does.
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I’m going to take this quick opportunity to take a break so we might regroup and give our numerous sponsors a chance to say hi to you guys. We’ll be back in a minute with Sage and Ariel and me here on Mama Presents.
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He wants you to say it because there’s no way any of us can say it. Oh, my God. Hello, Matthew. Aloha. Thank you for joining us. We were all talking, and I think you need to say that to a group. This is Matthew Brass. Matthew’s not only a wonderful man who’s joined us here, but he is, who are you? You are the sages…
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Friend, new and bold friend. A wonderful, resonant match. Sage has been a real blessing for me. Often lately I’ve felt alone in my belief about ruthless love. My logical mind having a little challenge assimilating ruthlessness and lovingness together. And yet to me what it is
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is someone who’s so clear about being centered and present and hearing the collective us that they know they’re always in the right place at the right time. And I find everyone has a different ratio of that. On a great day, I’m 95% present and coming and going. And when I met Sage, I was really taken by her boldness and how constant it was. That if she took me clear to my limit, which to me means…
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maybe on a conscious level noticing where I tensed up my body or didn’t breathe as fully, or just on a, I have a feeling, mostly just unconscious, flowing, intuitive way, she would keep going. And I know it’s perfect. I mean, years ago I would have flinched and thought, oh gosh, you’re… I’m too much. You’re too much. And I would have been reflecting my own belief in being too much. My own denying my power, my own breathing in how powerful I am.
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and that I’m perfect just as I am, whether it’s quiet or full-on bold. And to see that reflection in Sage, and when she commented earlier with wonderful humility about how in her books is what so many other people write about, I agree. And yet the unique aspect of it is it’s free-flowing, as far as I can tell, completely unedited. She doesn’t claim to be anywhere anyone isn’t.
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Although I, as an outsider, would say definitely a higher ratio of boldness. Higher boldness ratio, for sure. I knew there was science to this. There is. It’s like a recipe.
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And it’s not for everyone, but it will be eventually, whether it be next week or next month or a year from now or eight years from now. People are going to want more and more someone that is bold enough in their power to lovingly go to their depths of everything. And some of that is the icky, icky, icky, gross uncomfortableness, but some of it is where things feel so great that it gets stuck in my throat and I think, wow, what’s going on here? I’m…
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It’s just great. I want to breathe in more greatness. And Sage is definitely one of those people that wings it and helps me get there. And helps me honor that I’m there, too, in that sense. I love it. I’m doing one of my famous things. I’m joining us. Now we’re all here. I just wanted to be on screen with all you guys for a moment.
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It is really a pleasure. What he said about you, is that what you do all the time? You just live and breathe boldness? Is this a commercial about sage? Yeah, this is a sage commercial. I thought I was going to be helping people remember about universal truths and how to make shifts in their life. Well, isn’t that what you’re doing? Well, not if you’re just going on about me. I think so much of it’s about boldness and appreciation.
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And I think that what you said about that boldness is so right on. Because I know for myself, years ago, when somebody would come at me like that, it was like I really wanted to run in the other direction. It was like too much. And after many different teachers and many years of working on myself and many…
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different ways you know now I also really love that and really appreciate it and it’s still not always easy you know it’s still not always easy to to have whatever that is like right there for you but it’s also it’s also wonderful it’s it’s not only wonderful it’s fantastic which is what I think it is well I don’t find that people come to work with me on seminar or in remembering sessions who aren’t ready to go to that to that place
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I mean, somehow they know the vibration of me, they’ve read the work, and they’re ready to go to that place in themselves.
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I go with them where they’re willing to go, and I go no further with them. I can feel the edges of people’s madness because it’s my madness. Absolutely. We have a collective madness. We certainly do. But, you know, I find such… And I take myself to all the edges, which is how I know how to do the journey with other people to take them to those places. That’s right. So as I transmuted the rape and the physical violence and the battering and the poverty and all of that,
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I know how to do that journey with people because I know it so intimately at a cellular level, you know. And that is the perfection of who I am on this planet. And that doesn’t mean everybody doesn’t have that perfection. But I’ve mastered the energies in myself, so therefore I can help people come to their mastery when they’re ready. And that’s very important. And, you know, I find that people, there’s a part of people that is ready and wants to do it. And there’s still always that part that’s like going, no!
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you know and like kicking their heels trying to hold on so I think both parts and you you do that well have to be dealt with it really shows me an analogy of when you refer to the things you’ve been through and when I look through your books and see the incredible amount of intensity that you’ve transmuted and experienced it reminds me of like what you’re saying and holding on if I’ve
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I’m either about to jump off a psychic cliff in myself, a place I haven’t gone to or a place I haven’t been to since I was 3 or 7 or 11, and I just energetically feel or verbally feel or I’ve read your book or anyone’s book and know that they’ve been somewhere similar or as potent, I’m much more likely to make an agreement with you and trust you and be vulnerable where we would, and I mean energetically,
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run off that cliff together. Because then as I’m stopping breathing and panicking, I can look over at you and you’ll have a certain look on your face like, it’s okay, I’ve done this before. It looks scary, but here we go. And then maybe later we can take turns and maybe there’s a cliff I’ve jumped off of that either you haven’t or you did and it’s time to re-experience it. To me, I love that about all of us that are waking up. We take turns smiling while the other one gets to go
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You grab their hand and you jump off the cliff. I love cliffs. John Ray was a big cliff. I love your joy. Well, you know, I think that that’s what makes you such a wonderful teacher is all of your experience and your compassion. Because without that, you know, it’s a lot harder. I think people have forgotten. I think we forgot. I forgot for…
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45 years, I’m 52 now, and I forgot that I had come to this planet to take on all those dense energies and then to come full circle to understanding and forgiveness, which thereby cellularly heals everyone on the planet when I came to my personal place of understanding and forgiveness and transmutation and ending illusion and duality and all those words, you know what I’m talking about, you know?
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And that’s what we came here to do, and that’s our journey, and that’s our job. And when we fully commit to doing that, when we fully remember we’re a master on a mission, and whatever garbage is heaped in front of us in our relationships, in our jobs, and on our planet, literally, physically, emotionally, that’s our job. And if we say, I dedicate myself to this moment and to clearing this in myself and on my planet, all assistance comes from everywhere, in money, in people, in bodies, in support, in and out of form.
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And that’s what I found. And the journey now is easy, and the journey is effortless, and there are people everywhere, in and out of form, helping. Once you say, this is what I dedicate myself, is to the ascension of my planet, or to the epiphany of my planet, or whatever you want to call it. But we’re doing it for each other, for ourselves.
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for the collective whole, and I know you’ve all heard these words so many times, but it, you know. But every time we hear them, they strike a different note. They strike in a little bit differently, a little bit deeper, and it’s real important. You know, it’s, I was saying something to Jason last night that I was realizing that, and, you know, it’s things that we study and have studied for years, for years, but
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We were talking about prayer and I said, you know, finally I got it. I feel it inside of me. The difference in asking for something to be open and the stating of I am open.
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you know, or the difference between saying, please let me be open to receive, and I am open to receive. Absolutely. And that was the work we did in the seminar that day. Did you really? Yeah, that’s what we did. Everything is I am open, I am receiving, I am, I am. It’s such a huge difference. Not I will, it’s all in the present and declaring it a soul. And this is what things that we’ve studied for years, but all of a sudden it sits in the cells or in the soul or in the…
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outer bodies, and finally says, I’m at home. And you go, yes! Not, I am trying to be joyful every day. I am joy, period. It’s really simple. Exactly, exactly. And like when you were talking about hearing those words over and over again, I think it’s the hearing of those words over and over again, and the reading of those words over and over again, and the sharing.
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over and over again that finally gets us there well that’s true because you’ve got to go through the layers of the onion and finally it clicks it gets to that bottom cellular level where you remember who you are and what you’re doing here and all of it makes sense the other thing is variety in that like i haven’t traveled the world but i know in america for a long time at least since i’ve been alive it’s been very popular to soften to above all else be the diplomat and that’s a perfect lesson for say
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There are some people who are extremely bold and jump off cliffs all the time where these days their resistance or their healing and where they’re looking to find acceptance is in the sweet softness of you or the blend of sharpness and softness of you or on a certain day at a given moment the incredible sharpness and boldness of sage or
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If I already know boldness, today my lesson might be with Ariel, and she would teach me, show me how afraid I am of gentle sensuality or something. Where if I’m already wonderfully sensual and soft, today my lesson might be with Sage, who has embodied that, but also will say something that we would have to bleep on television right in my face and help me breathe in and say, wow, it’s awesome.
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There is sunshine in
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Don’t stop me now. Maui style it. Don’t let me down. Maui style it. Don’t let me down. Maui style
