Q & A about The Urantia Book # 13

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Jimmy Kimmel & Jason Schwartz Q & A about The Urantia Book # 13

Summary & Transcript Below…

Maui Neutral Zone discussion about peace and diplomacy in South America.

Introduction and Background on The Urantia Book

  • Jason Schwartz introduces Reverend James Kimmel (not Jimmy Kimmel) and welcomes viewers to their ongoing show series featuring discussions on The Urantia Book.
  • James Kimmel has been studying The Urantia Book for 44 years, describing it as an extraordinary and comprehensive work, especially the fourth part, which covers The Life and Teachings of Jesus.
  • The Urantia Book contains 196 papers totaling approximately 2,097 pages in some editions; Kimmel refers to the Rule of Living, found in Paper 147, page 1650 (older editions).
  • The Rule of Living is a key philosophical and ethical teaching from Jesus, emphasizing the Golden Rule: “Do to others as you would have them do to you.”
  • The dialogue introduces the idea that interpretations of this rule must evolve beyond literal or selfish understandings. It is meant for people of high ideals and spiritual maturity, not to justify wrongdoing.
  • [06:44 → 14:23]

The Rule of Living: Six Levels of Interpretation

  • Jesus explains to Nathaniel the six levels of interpreting the Golden Rule, ascending from base to spiritual:
Level Description
1. Flesh Selfish, lustful interpretation—misuse of the rule to justify evil intentions
2. Feelings Sympathy and pity; higher emotional understanding
3. Mind Reason and experience; guided by self-respect and good judgment
4. Brotherly Love Unselfish devotion and social service based on the fatherhood of Godand brotherhood of man
5. Moral Philosophical insight into right and wrong; impartial and wise judgment
6. Spiritual Recognition of the divine command to treat all as God would; the universal ideal of human relationships
  • The level of Brotherly Love (#4) is highlighted as deeply significant—tying the fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man as foundational.
  • The spiritual level (#6) represents the highest understanding, where actions are inspired by divine compassion and universal justice.
  • [14:23 → 20:32]

Personal Reflections on the Rule of Living and Forgiveness

  • A personal experience is shared about a 25-year friendship ending due to dishonesty and broken agreements, illustrating the challenge of living the Golden Rule in everyday conflicts.
  • The discussion emphasizes that a person can only treat others as they treat themselves, highlighting self-love as key to loving others and practicing fairness.
  • The conversation transitions to Divine Forgiveness, referring to Paper 174, which teaches that forgiveness is fundamental to spiritual maturity.
  • [20:32 → 30:32]

Divine Forgiveness: Insights from Paper 174

  • Peter and James debate whether repentance and confession precede forgiveness or if God forgives unconditionally. Jesus explains:
    • The relationship between God and humans is like that of a loving parent and immature child.
    • Divine forgiveness is inevitable and inherent due to God’s infinite understanding and mercy.
    • Sin is described as an experience of creature consciousness, not a part of God’s consciousness.
    • Forgiveness arises from love and understanding rather than legalistic requirements.
    • Holding grudges and vengefulness reflect immaturity and ignorance of others’ inner nature.
    • Love is the divine urge of life, founded on understanding and unselfish service.
  • This section challenges common notions about forgiveness, emphasizing compassion as the foundation for reconciliation.
  • [30:32 → 34:52]

Maui Neutral Zone promoting peace and community on Maui island.The Urantia Book: Structure and Cosmology Overview

  • The Urantia Book is divided into four parts:
Part Number Content Description Number of Papers
1 The Central and Superuniverses 31
2 The Local Universe and the Creator Sons before Jesus 25
3 The History of Our World and Universe 63
4 The Life and Teachings of Jesus 77
  • The book covers history from before the solar system existed, cosmic origins, and the life of Jesus.
  • The history section (Part 3) is said to be based on archives authorized by celestial personalities under the guidance of Gabriel of Salvington (the capital of the local universe).
  • The conversation highlights the scale of cosmic history, measured in billions of years, and the intricate governance of the universe by divine and cosmic administrators.
  • [34:52 → 44:47]

Cosmology: The Andronomer Nebula and Universe Formation

  • The Andronomer Nebula is described as the origin of our solar system and local universe, forming nearly 987 billion years ago as part of the superuniverse of Orvonton.
  • A universal council permit was issued to initiate new material creation in this sector, marking the beginning of the physical universe’s evolution.
  • The narrative details the primary nebular stage of cosmic formation, where force organizers and energy directors prepare space for the creation of galaxies, stars, and planets.
  • The nebula’s evolution involved complex cosmic forces and personalities, emphasizing the role of transcendent beings in universe formation.
  • The scale and timelines involved are mind-boggling, spanning hundreds of billions of years of cosmic evolution.
  • [44:47 → 52:18]

Universe Organization and Michael of Nebadon’s Role

  • The book describes the establishment of local systems and universe governments, including the architectural worlds of Salvington and the 100 constellation headquarters.
  • Michael of Nebadon (identified as Jesus of Nazareth in his mortal incarnation) is presented as the Creator Son who selected our solar system for his universe building mission over 300 million years ago.
  • The universe mechanism of Nebadon begins functioning with recognition by Universal authorities.
  • This section connects cosmic governance, spiritual hierarchy, and physical creationinto a unified narrative.
  • It frames human existence and mortal ascension as part of a designed progression within a vast, purposeful cosmos.
  • [52:18 → 01:02:29]

The Origin of Our Solar System (Urantia Solar System)

  • The solar system originated from the Andromeda Nebula’s terminal breakup about six billion years ago, giving birth to our Sun (Urantia’s “Your Son”).
  • The Angona system, a dark giant body with strong gravity, approached the Sun, causing solar gases to be expelled in “gigantic solar tongues,” which eventually formed the 12 planets and other solar system bodies.
  • This process took roughly 500,000 years and resulted in the formation of planets, asteroids, and meteors.
  • The planets of our solar system formed from different parts of these solar expulsions, with Jupiter and Saturn capturing much of the material due to their strong gravity.
  • The Urantia solar system is described as unique, being one of less than one percent in the local universe with this particular origin.
  • This cosmic history explains the solar system’s angle and structure as a result of these grand celestial events.
  • [01:02:29 → 01:07:37]

Significance and Practical Application

  • Jason and James reflect on the importance of understanding our cosmic origins alongside the spiritual teachings of Jesus.
  • They highlight that the Urantia Book offers a blend of scientific cosmology and ethical/spiritual revelation, which can transform personal and collective perspectives.
  • The conversation encourages readers to explore the book in a way that interests them, using the table of contents or concordance to dive into specific topics.
  • James notes that while the book is large and complex, it is accessible and rewarding to study over time.
  • They underscore the timeless message of the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man, pointing to the possibility of heaven on earth through love and spiritual awareness.
  • [01:07:37 → 01:09:23]

Closing Remarks

  • James and Jason express mutual respect and friendship, emphasizing the joy of sharing these teachings.
  • The final note reaffirms the central spiritual truth of the Urantia Book: that men and women are sons and daughters of God and can realize this through faith and practice.
  • The conversation closes with a hopeful message about living by the will of the Heavenly Father, fostering love, understanding, and peace among all people.

Key Insights and Conclusions

  • The Rule of Living in The Urantia Book is a profound ethical teaching elaborated through multiple interpretative levels, culminating in spiritual understanding rooted in divine love.
  • Divine forgiveness is an inherent, inevitable expression of God’s infinite understanding and mercy, contrasting with human tendencies toward grudges and vengefulness.
  • The cosmology presented in The Urantia Book offers a detailed and expansive view of the universe’s origin, development, and governance, blending science and spirituality.
  • Michael of Nebadon (Jesus) is portrayed not only as a historical figure but as a cosmic Creator Son with a mission spanning billions of years.
  • Our solar system’s formation is described as a unique, complex event involving cosmic forces and celestial bodies interacting over billions of years.
  • The book’s message encourages humans to recognize their spiritual heritage, embrace brotherhood, and live according to divine will for a better world.

Glossary of Key Terms

Term Definition
Urantia The name used for Earth in The Urantia Book
Paper A chapter or section within The Urantia Book
Rule of Living Ethical teaching on how to treat others, emphasizing “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”
Andronomer Nebula The cosmic nebula from which our solar system originated
Michael of Nebadon The Creator Son of the local universe, identified as Jesus in his earthly incarnation
Salvington The capital of the local universe in the book’s cosmology
Divine Forgiveness God’s unconditional, infinite mercy and understanding towards human mistakes and sins
Force Organizer Cosmic beings responsible for initiating physical creation and energy organization

Summary Timeline: Cosmic and Solar System Formation

Timeframe Event
~987 billion years ago Formation of the Andromeda Nebula
875 billion years ago Initiation of nebular revolutions and withdrawal of force organizers
300+ million years ago Michael of Nebadon selects the disintegrating nebula for universe building
6 billion years ago Terminal breakup of the Andromeda Nebula and birth of Our Sun (Urantia’s “Your Son”)
5 billion years ago Formation of the solar system planets from solar gases expelled due to Angona’s approach
Present Earth as part of a vast, evolving cosmic system governed by spiritual and cosmic personalities

 

Transcript

This comprehensive summary is strictly based on the transcript content, reflecting the profound blend of spiritual insight and cosmic history as presented by Jason Schwartz and Reverend James Kimmel in their discussion of The Urantia Book.

00:35
Aloha how are you today my name is Jason Schwartz and I am here with James Kimmel not to be confused with Jimmy Kimmel of late night TV this is Reverend James Kimmel Jim Kimmel wonderful friend Aloha hello Jason hello everybody Welcome to another show we are I’ve stopped counting I just have fun when I look at I see a maroon shirt from Charlie’s and uh what do I get a heliconia shirt all over the island but we we’re happy we keep changing shirts just to be sure that um you’ll see these are all

 

01:13
original content and we’re looking forward to the day very soon we’re going to have live calling talk shows you can also under James Kimmel in YouTube You’ll see a series and make sure you look there James Kimmel YouTube and you will see the series of shows we’ve got and more really a wonderful experience thank you for doing this cheers but I’ve enjoyed it very much the one thing I want to be sure is that we speak up when we have things to say only so that all of you I always make sure at the end that you

 

01:47
know I think I have a lot of projecting voice but um just wanted to mention it I’ve got a speed up loud room I speak too softly sometimes you’re incredibly soft and gentle man that’s why when I hear you use the words things like Zio and you just got to scare people and they think you’re like uh how long have you been doing peace Inc how long is that now oh God piece ain’t got started back in the late 1980s if I remember right in San Francisco you’ve been on Maui and here in the

 

02:28
islands for many years now first came to Hawaii in 1955 1955. I came to Molly the first time 1956. wow and I’ve lived out here off the island for a long time I see okay um just want to be sure you guys can hear us can you hear us the guy in the last row is saying to me I’m a little louder okay now what brought us together besides being friends is the Urantia book many out there say to yourself Urantia what you’re what your answer means Earth this book has really been exciting for me and when

 

03:14
speaking with you Jim I’ve discovered that years now have passed where people have been studying and looking at the you’ve been how long have you been reading and studying out of this book 44 years 44 years and the part that amazes me there’s a part in here this fourth section we call them sections four parts fourth Parts fourth part is the life and teachings of Jesus I think it’s an incredible full expression of Jesus Christ I have never seen before it was is it Jesus Christ or

 

03:51
is it just Jesus well Jesus is known as the Christ but it’s just Jesus okay okay what amazes me is this has been so opening to me in learning yesterday I yesterday was my birthday and I was so happy that yesterday I got another copy I gave away all my copies you’ll find it online but this I like reading a physical book on finding I really do plus when we talk about things on these shows yeah I like this has a concordance in the back you can mention you know when Jim’s reading about something you can look and you can find

 

04:30
where exactly in the book it Is Write it from the same book what does it have to say about Supreme Chief Supreme increasing service okay Sinners well that’s a great book any subject that you want you can go to and uh I find it amazing on the internet you can say something like oh it says Jesus walked to the left and paused and typing it into Google it comes right onto the page you’re like wow we are living in a new age now word search is one is amazing it really is so Urantia is Earth it’s really an

 

05:14
interesting experience I don’t think there’s anyone I’ve seen that has been looking at this book number one that has you read this for 44 years that is I’m extraordinary so besides reading it you’ve learned that you can talk it fluently and you have a lot of time in history if I were to say to you Jim what is the important passage that you would like to share with people now I have subjects I want to talk about today but is this something that specifically about the rule of living

 

05:49
the rule of living okay I’m gay what paper is that rule the rule of living a zillion Pages how many pages here 2097 the rule of living is on page 1650. now 60 50 is an older version but what paper are we in when I say older there were different printings the ones that I have had two columns uh much like a Standard Bible this is paper number 147. 147 out of how many papers uh there are 196 papers 196. and I think 2097 pages okay and if you were looking and you were thinking oh where can I find some this is Page

 

06:44
1650. and paper number um 147. okay just basically rubbing it in easy to find because when I asked Jim what was the thing that he thought you should have the rule of living the rule of living section 4 of the rule of living on the evening of this same Sabbath day at Bethany while Jesus the twelve and a group of Believers were assembled about the plier in lazarus’s Garden Nathaniel asked Jesus this question master although you have taught us the positive version of the whole rule of Life instructing us that we should do to

 

07:24
others as we wish them to do to us I do not fully discern how we can always abide by such an injunction let me illustrate my contention by citing the example of a lustful man who thus wickedly looks upon his intended consort in sin how can we teach that this evil intending man should do to others as he would they should do to him when Jesus heard Nathaniel’s question he immediately stood upon his feet and pointing his finger at the Apostle said Nathaniel Nathanael what matter of thinking is going on in your heart do

 

08:08
you not receive my teachings as one who has been born of the spirit do you not hear the truth as men of wisdom and spiritual understanding when I admonish you to do to others as you would have them do to you I spoke to Men of high ideals not to those who would be tempted to distort my teaching into a license for the encouragement of evil doing that’s a really big one I wonder if people are aware of that one really when the master had spoken Nathanael stood up and said but but Master you should not

 

08:46
think that I have proof of such an interpretation of your teaching I asked the question because I conjecture that many such men might thus misjudge your admonition and I hoped you would give us further instruction regarding these matters then when Nathaniel had sat down Jesus continued speaking uh well known Nathanael that no such idea of evil is approved in your mind but I am disappointed in that you all so often failed to put a genuinely spiritual interpretation upon my commonplace teachings instruction which must be given you in

 

09:24
human language and as men must speak Let Me Now teach you concerning the differing levels of meaning attached to the interpretation of this rule of living this admonition to do to others that which you desire others to do to you first the level of the flesh such a purely selfish and lustful interpretation would be well exemplified by the supposition of your question okay second the level of the feelings this plane is one level higher than that of the Flesh and implies that sympathy and pity would enhance one’s

 

10:08
interpretation of this rule of living third the level of mind now come into action the reason of mind and the intelligence of experience good judgment dictates that such a rule of living should be interpreted in consonance with the highest idealism embodied in the nobility of profound self-respect four the level of Brotherly Love still higher is discovered the level of unselfish Devotion to the welfare of one’s fellows on this higher plane of wholehearted Social Service growing out of the consciousness of the fatherhood of God

 

10:54
and the consequent recognition of the Brotherhood of Man there is discovered a new and Far More Beautiful interpretation of this basic rule of life that right there to me is probably one of the most significant that’s why you picked this I think the understanding that the fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man is so basic helping each other the Brotherhood of Man right so busy that sounds like John Lennon that’s the Brotherhood of Man I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s exactly where he

 

11:32
came from a matching note more countries it isn’t hard to do nothing to kill or die for no religion well John John had the spirit of Truth in him like you and I we all have the spirit of Truth in us which is the spirit of the Prince of Peace also who was one time Jesus his Spirit of Truth is in us and John was doing a pretty good job of personalizing that impersonal spirit so to speak that we can all personalize we could all be like Jesus we can all do as he would say as he would were all his children back to our story

 

12:11
but you know that that’s where I’ve heard that phrase before and I I mean think of all the people that know John Lennon who how much they would gain if they looked at this paper 147 147. okay number five the moral level and then when you attend true philosophic levels of interpretation when you have real insight into the rightness and wrongness of things when you perceive the Eternal Fitness of Human Relationships you will begin to view such a problem of interpretation as you would imagine a high-minded

 

12:51
idealistic wise and impartial third person would so View and interpret such an injunction as applied to your personal problems of adjustment to your life situations number six the spiritual level and then last but greatest of all we attain the level of spirit insight and spiritual interpretation which impels us to recognize in this rule of Life the Divine command to treat all men as we conceive God would treat them that is the universe ideal of Human Relationships that I mean this is we talked about it

 

13:37
earlier but it said it these are rules for everyday living bringing and and the spiritual into everything and anything and everything and the way we treat each other in every moment in every way it’s just I mean that really says it most important is spiritual absolutely okay anyhow that is the that is the universe ideal of Human Relationships and this is your attitude toward all such problems when your Supreme desires ever to do the father’s will I would therefore that you should do to all men that was you know I would do to

 

14:23
them in like circumstances nothing Jesus had said to the apostles up to this time had ever more astonished them they continued to discuss the Master’s words long after he had retired he kind of wondered was everyone like barbarians I mean I just always wanted that was astonishing who are we oh human creatures it’s two thousand years ago the mentality totally different mentality wow well Nathaniel was slow to recover from his supposition that Jesus had misunderstood the spirit of his question

 

15:07
the others were more than thankful that their philosophic fellow Apostle had had the courage to ask such a thought-provoking question so that’s the rule of living thank you well you know that that sets the tone for everything like we were discussing I’ve had a an interesting time recently where a friend of 25 years where I told him he lied to me and I uh he didn’t want to talk about it I expressed it quickly and it ended our friendship he basically was like dismissing me and I thought this is

 

15:56
someone who was studying Jesus so I I think about what is the role of living and how does it what would you want if you were Jesus or you were God what would you do and to me that’s it do unto others as you want them to do unto you what if you cut something off what what is that about well it’s like what did he what did he really do to you to me what did he do to him what did he do to himself yeah I mean he um he did to you what you would never have done to him no well what he did was not

 

16:39
fair is that correct well I spoke my truth and my truth and truth and your truth and your truth in your shouldn’t be something different they should be simple truth and clear so we can reason together what he did to me was um change their agreements and things like that and didn’t do what he said and was doing it and all that we were doing and so I wanted him to better understand that but he just didn’t want to face that so I we face that in life in many things people go on a face and if you if he did something toward

 

17:17
you that he knew was wrong once again if he knew it was something that was unfair if it’s unfair it’s against the Golden Rule well he didn’t I mean to me I don’t think he knew he did this it was just a tone of the way he was treating others I felt and not for example what do you say to me I’m going to have this done by Tuesday and then time goes on and you change to something else and it was a critical thing and you knew you were changing the flow and how important and I expressed

 

17:56
it how important it was to me he didn’t want to talk any further so he can only treat others as he treats himself that’s true for everybody that is probably the most golden key that’s the one we have to look at how we treat ourselves and if we realize that in the way we were objectively loving ourselves like God loves us we wouldn’t be playing any games you know we wouldn’t be trying to get over on one another we wouldn’t be unfair to one another you know we’d be in harmony

 

18:31
with the golden rule the will of God and the is is the standard that the Golden Rule exists relative to oh you know I wonder how the you know I mean I wanted to even to myself is my thinking about this and putting time and focus on it something that somehow can find more clarification because he he said he dismissed his emotional connection he was talking about himself he’s dismissed himself he’s he created the connection with his free will and so if if he’s come to find to recognize that he has done wrong to a

 

19:17
friend and knows it then if your brother sins against you to sin against somebody you have to know him to do something that’s not good but in this example I don’t think he knew I mean I’m talking about if we don’t know if you don’t well he wouldn’t discuss it that was the part that I didn’t really understand someone just sort of cuts it off could be that some husbands would say to me are you cannot spare my wife but we don’t discuss things I didn’t think we’ve been together 51 years

 

19:51
she lives in in Brazil and I’m over here in Africa but I would think you know a 25-year friendship with no communication well something’s going on inside that turmoil that’s a symptom of um problems there’s a personality problem with her brother he has a problem is there something in here that might be of some comfort to him well there has to be all right there’s a session here titled Divine forgiveness what paper is that on and this is paper number 174. Tuesday Morning in the temple this is

 

20:32
the day after the cleansing of the temple okay so this is um again called paper the paper 174 okay so we’re talking about forgiveness you know that’s that’s a lesson that he had shared with me that changed my life because I was bitterly angry at someone that I first stolen from me yeah that’s true and he told me again not everyone does it he said you know God’s highest and most important lesson is have you learned forgiveness so is that what this came from well it could well

 

21:11
have been I mean you know this is interesting because this is I want to say a lot like the Bible it’s the same words but not the same words it’s clearer and more complete somehow the Bible comes from language that was a common couple thousand years ago and this it needs enough this is an upgrade to the Bible major upgrade your answer book okay go ahead section one Divine forgiveness for several days Peter and James had been engaged in discussing their differences of opinion about the Master’s teaching regarding the

 

21:52
forgiveness of sin they had both agreed to lay the matter before Jesus and Peter embraced this occasion as a fitting opportunity for securing the Master’s Council accordingly Simon Peter broke in on the conversation dealing with the differences between praise and worship by asking Master James and I are not in accord regarding your teaching having to do with the forgiveness of sin James claims you teach that the father forgives us even before we ask him and I maintain that repentance and confession

 

22:27
must precede the Forgiveness which of us is right what do you say so repentance compassion before forgiveness that’s one of the questions that James James claims you teach the Father the father who gives us even before we ask well and I maintain a repentance and confession must precede the forgiveness foreign which of us is right okay just letting it settle in okay what do you say what do you say Jesus what does Jesus say after a short silence Jesus looked significantly at all four and answered

 

23:14
my brethren you ER in your opinions because you do not comprehend the nature of those intimate and loving relations between the creature and the Creator between man and God you failed to grasp that understanding sympathy which the wise parent entertains for his immature and sometimes urine child it is indeed doubtful whether intelligent and affectionate parents are ever called upon to forgive and average and normal child understanding relationships associated with attitudes of Love effectively prevent all those estrangements which

 

23:58
later necessitate the Readjustment of repentance by the child with forgiveness by the parent a part of every father lives in the child the father enjoys priority and superiority of understanding in all matters connected with the child parent relationship the parent is able to view the immaturity of the child in the light of the more advanced parental maturity the riper experience of the older partner with the Earthly child and the heavenly father the Divine parent possesses infinity and Divinity of sympathy and

 

24:38
capacity for loving understanding Divine forgiveness is inevitable it is inherent and inalienable in God’s infinite understanding in his perfect knowledge of all that concerns the mistaken judgment and erroneous choosing of the child Divine Justice is so eternally fair that it unfailingly embodies understanding Mercy when a wise man understands the inner impulses of his fellows he will love them and when you love your brother you have already forgiven him foreign well you know that says a lot to me it

 

25:28
says um and sometimes you know the denial of that is an expression of someone not remembering that they love and not remembering what is important and putting self before love loves it powerful no this is well that was the greatest power in the universe because it’s unselfish power it’s the power of God is is wonderful it’s beneficent nothing but good when a wise man understands the inner impulses of his fellows he will love them and when you love your brother you have already forgiven him

 

26:20
this capacity to understand the man’s nature and forgive his apparent wrongdoing is Godlike if you are a wise parents this is the way you will love and understand your children even forgive them when transient misunderstanding has apparently separated you the child being immature and lacking before understanding of the depth of the child father relationship must frequently feel a sense of guilty separation from a father’s full approval but the true father is never conscious of any such separation

 

27:00
sin is an experience of creature Consciousness it is not a part of God’s consciousness that’s a big one right there say that one right there again sin is not a part of God’s Consciousness right it is part of man’s Consciousness it is an experience of other creatures consciousness all right so an animal shows no it’ll say reality of sin but it always does sin big choices they don’t have the power to freely choose between Good and Evil because they’re not personalities

 

27:43
more personalities so we were given a special gift personality has been bestowed on the pre-human form of animal form so the personality is the dominant part of the human being it integrates and unifies the other parts of the human being like the spiritual parts of Mind part and body parts but it also gives us a choice and not being sensitive sensitive to the spirituality and divine forgiveness for example and and keeping spirituality on our everyday actions with everything we do pulls us further away from

 

28:34
the core base which is to love you brother you know like they are right brother and your sister and where the children of the Father God absolutely so simple I mean no matter what religion doesn’t matter describes it you know there’s another John Lennon thing you know and imagine No More Country no religions too will the president that’s a sad thing to have to have somebody like him state that that statement to have no religion religion has been very badly represented to men for people for a

 

29:12
person like John to come to that conclusion in other words he could see all the religions had failed there’s not a single one good enough for all the rest and we’ve got all the Christians in the United States are killing people all around the world directly or indirectly with drones or or with guns and you know that’s doing to others what you’d never want them to come to you and your country and do to you and your children I mean it’s ridiculous it’s insane and we boil it back down to in those

 

29:44
countries again man’s inhumanity the man all over the world getting this simple balanced message is this book in many languages yes I don’t remember how many alcoholics a number of languages that’s good your inability or unwillingness to forgive your fellows is the measure of your immaturity your failure to attain adult sympathy understanding and love you hold grudges and nurse vengefulness in direct proportion to your ignorance of the inner nature and true longings of your children and your fellow beings

 

30:32
love is the outworking of the Divine and inner urge of life it is founded on understanding nurtured by unselfish service and perfected in wisdom oh this is such really nice words that’s the section on Divine forgiveness so we live in a in a interesting time now so many different things are happening we look around now uh I see all kinds of things going on and seems to be so much motion and so much uh I want to say discontinuity it’s like things break out you know you know there’s lots of

 

31:21
maybe that’s something that’s the way history is right or absolutely things evolve each day but there seem to be outbursts more than than um building to Solutions Spruce like we’re going to solve the budget crisis by cutting recycling because that was not making economic sense right as I talk about someone’s political Waterloo what if we as a society decide these things by dollars instead of buying heart and love and preservation it’s pretty cold this this book May I change the subject

 

32:09
now we’ve been spending a fair amount of time in books number four and we’ve done a little before and taken pieces um can you do a summary for me if you can and for our audience you guys are listening because I think that the parts that are going to be fun when we do this as a live calling talk show coming soon all our shows the reason why I like to tell about James Kimmel YouTube channel because as we do these shows we talk about different things and reference different papers I like to take a look

 

32:42
at some of the other things that happen earlier and the creation of the world the creation of the Universe I mean some of that stuff which we’ll get to or you can get to yourself looking but any things that as you’ve been studying is 44 years I mean that’s mind-boggling to me so anything you said well this is significant piece that is important to understand you know even more broad level well let’s put it this way there are four parts to the book the first part has 31 papers okay the second part has 25 papers

 

33:24
the third part which is the history of our world has 63 papers in part four of the life and teachings of Jesus as 77 papers wow so that’s a lot about Jesus a lot about our history a lot about our history in the physical development of the world everything about our history is is here from before our history goes back to before the solar system was before our sun existed our planet didn’t exist so someone might look at this and say oh that’s how do you know it was before our planet existed who’s going to give you that

 

34:04
information so this information came from um what I’m I’m just asking just quickly from a group of people that got together and the history of Urantia uh these these 63 papers were sponsored by a core of local Universe personalities acting by authority of Gabriel of salvington see so this is part three part three this book has talked about incredible stories you know if one wants to believe them or not first thing is to know them and hear them you know and it’s interesting how it evolved and there is Jesus at the end

 

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I was always like but he’s not only at the end he’s earlier too part two part two is all about him before he was Jesus wow he’s been the creator of our universe for over 300 million years wow so so you were looking at part three three of me Rancher the paper number 57 in part three the history of the Orange is titled the origin of Urantia paper 57 the origin of Urantia in presenting excerpts from The Archives of Jerusalem for the records of Urantia respecting his antecedents and early

 

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history we are directed to reckon time in terms of current usage the present leap year calendar of 365 and one-fourth days to the year as a rule no attempt will be made to give exact years though they are of record we will use the nearest whole numbers as the better method of presenting these historic facts that’s interesting historic facts not beliefs when referring to an event as of one or two millions of years ago we intend to date such An Occurrence back that number of years from the early Decades of the

 

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20th century of the Christian era we will thus detect these far distant events as occurring in even periods of thousands millions and billions of years wow section one the andronomer nebula Urantia is of origin in your son and your son is one of the multifarious offspring of the andronomer nebula which was one time organized as a component part of a physical power in material matter of the local Universe of nebadon so so let me let me stop just for clarity so in other words that means the Earth Dragon came and you’ll explain

 

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from a larger body called the sun which is part of a local Universe named I’m just trying to get clarity because he’s a very you know scientists may say all kinds of things I wouldn’t be surprised at supports these things oh yeah I’m sure yeah for sure as a scientist and this great nebula itself took origin in the Universal Force charge of space in the super Universe of orvanton long long ago I talk about significance and insignificance at the time of the beginning of this recital the primary Master Force

 

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organizers of paradise had long been in full control of the space energies which were later organized as the andronomer nebula 987 billion years ago associate Force organizer and then acting inspector number 811307 of the arbonton series traveling out from uversa reported to the Ancients of days that space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena in a certain sector of the then easterly segment of orvantan what a concept I’m getting here here we are we don’t have you informed at this point

 

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way before so there’s some other kind of form that has enough understanding and as a separate being you did this and catch the impact of what this all really is wow 900 billion years ago the universal archives testify there was recorded a permit issued by the universa Council of equilibrium to the super Universe government authorizing the dispatch of a forced organizer and staff to the region previously designated by inspector number eight hundred and eleven thousand three hundred and seven

 

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and we have trouble balancing our budget the or Montan authorities commissioned the original discoverer of this potential Universe to execute the Mandate of the Ancients of days calling for the organization of a new material creation you can’t just up and build one can’t just build a orbit the New Year build the new Earth or universe the recording of This permit signifies that the force organizer and staff had already departed from Universal on the long journey to the to that easterly space sector where they were

 

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subsequently to engage in those protracted activities which would terminate in the emergence of a new physical Creation in orvantan what an amazing concept to me it’s amazing you know the thing as as you as viewers just like me as listener I uh really no you’ve been looking at this for so long it’s very common to you imagine the opening that has to happen to understand that a creation 987 billion billion years ago got a green light from a council of energetics catch that this is so gigantic that’s the formation the

 

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physical body upon which we ride and all that we are phenomenal fantastic 875 billion years ago the enormous andronomer nebula number 876 926 was duly initiated only the presence of the force organizer and the liaison staff was required to inaugurate the energy World which eventually grew into this last Cyclone of space subsequent to the initiation of such nebular revolutions the living Force organizers simply withdraw at right angles to the plane of the Revolutionary disk and from that time forward the

 

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inherent qualities of energy ensure the progressive and orderly evolution of such a new physical system that is a staggering that’s staggering to Dear forces that abruptly change direction to create things at a scale that is you know hard you know it takes a while to catch the stretches of the absolute magnitude yeah it really stretches that see that’s interesting when I’ve heard people you know make comments about this book I think if they looked at it as a bite at the time they can oh shoot it’s just it’s exciting

 

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that there’s a part four about Jesus but this other stuff isn’t that fantastic science part of it please continue I’m enjoying this at about this time the narrative shifts to the functioning of the personalities of the super universe in reality the story has its proper beginning at this point and just about the time the paradise Force organizers are preparing to withdraw having made the space energy conditions ready for the action of the power directors and physical controllers of the super

 

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Universe of orbanon well those are really interesting Concepts thought thought what was that a thought adjuster thought adjusters it wasn’t fun to do enough Paradise Force organizers a paradise catch them Paradise Force an energy that arranges Paradise these are personalities these are transcendental personalities Transcendent this that’s a very significant view in the universe right before those human form involved right isn’t that exciting that’s exciting this is phenomenal because I mean this

 

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this is this is the the basic science of how the universe came to be wow this book here I can see where someone like yourself is a scientist would probably have oh man I was like oh wow can you get through can normal humans get through this 2097 sure it’s just like reading the Bible is better it’s better than reading any book you’ve ever read guaranteed it will be the book of any book that anybody’s found because I mean it’s an ethical revelation of Truth and fact and wisdom

 

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and the prior ethical revolutions that the revelations that we’ve had on our world I’m excited to know that there’s all this action we take ourselves with such significance and yet we are to God we’re of infinite value each one of us is of infinite value well that’s that’s very significant well that’s significant but I mean so in our physical world we take our significance out of the fact that we’re brothers and sisters father God we forget all that we take personal significance to a new level of

 

45:29
selfishness big time but as far as you continue well I you know I I think that through what we’re doing and as we’re going to be talking live with you and your questions and and comments about this is going to really be a major thing see this goes uh part two section two of this paper it goes to 800 billion years ago 700 billion years ago 600 billion years ago and then the next is the secondary nebular stage first you have the primary nebular stage and then the secondary nebular stage and that goes from 500 billion years ago

 

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to 100 million years ago see someone like me would say oh that’s just years ago you get that each of these stages has a whole different energetic and creation from a different Force I mean to me that’s well here’s a little here’s an interesting little aside so to speak in this particular paper on the secondary nebular stage this this has to do with the creation of of our planet it was scarcely a million years subsequent to this epic that Michael of nebadon a Creator son of paradise

 

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selected this disintegrating nebula as the site of his Adventure in Universe building wow almost immediately the architectural worlds of Southington and the 100 constellation headquarters groups of planets were begun it required almost one million years to complete these clusters of specially created worlds wow what a powerful that’s an amazing thing wait to I mean we have to read the book to get to this point to understand what salvington is as a that’s the name of the capital of our local Universe it’s

 

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fantastic so it’s like space geography so it sounds like this book you could start from the beginning and go to the end and you do that don’t you oh yeah that’s powerful but someone that has interest could take just a portion of this and just have tremendous the local system headquarters planets were constructed over a period extending from that time to about 5 billion years ago 300 billion years ago the andronomer solar circuits were well established and the nebular system was passing through a

 

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transient period of relative physical stability about this time the staff of Michael arrived on Southington and the university government of orbanton extended physical recognition to the local Universe of nepadon can you cast the significance of that totally awesome that’s an awesome thing that’s like well I look at that and I think about our world and all the governors you know how to try to think that they’re gonna that’s what I mean about the significance really it’s starting to feel a little bit too

 

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self-important here you learn to love learn the basics exactly yeah exactly wow now the completed Universe mechanism of Nevada first begins to function in Michael’s creation is registered on universa as a universe of inhabitation and Progressive mortal Ascension wow those are powerful words that now Michael of nebadon who we now know we’ve watched these shows right is on Earth Jesus same person and it was all by Design so that mortal things things with physical could ascend to understand that appreciate them be at

 

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that higher what a beautiful way to understand life and death and give people you know that are again this this show is about how it relates to all of us imagine that view when someone is passing their body and dying from his body to understand that this time and this whole place has been for us to learn and grow to have that moral essential that’s something and that was by design a Jesus of Nazareth who is my brother whether you believe that was Michael has never done it that’s yet to even be

 

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the fact that you could understand that that whole feeling feel how good that feels it feels this was created as an environment yeah to help all of us back to the andronic manipula that we came from section 4 deals with the tertiary and quartan stages of the third and fourth stages of nebular evolution the primary stage of a nebula is circular the secondary spiral the tertiary stage is that of the first Sun dispersion while the quartet Embraces the second and last cycle of some dispersion with the mother nucleus

 

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ending either as a globular cluster or as a solitary Sun functioning as the center of a terminal solar system wow now we go from there to 75 billion years ago and it goes to 50 billion and 25 billion 10 billion years ago and about six billion years ago six billion years ago marks the end of the terminal breakup and the birth of your son our son finally gets born after 987 billion years wow six billion years ago marks the end of the terminal breakup of the andronomer nebula and the birth of your son the

 

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56th from the last of the andronomers second solar Family Holy exactly that’s always been good this final eruption of the nebular nucleus gave birth to 136 702 Sons most of them solitary orbs the total number of sons and Sun systems having origin in the andronomer nebula was one million 13 628. roughly the number of the number of our solar systems son is one million 13 572. yeah what what scale is that’s unbelievable it’s phenomenal this is this takes the history of the universe Way Beyond the

 

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the farthest stretches of the most advanced designs I’m just reeling even from just hearing it my goodness so the the our son had a number in a series of sons it’s one of many sons that was was given birth to by this big nebula I am not a nebulous and now the great andron of her nebula is no more but it lives on in the many suns and their planetary families which originated in this mother cloud of space the final nuclear remnant of This Magnificent nebula still burns with a reddish glow and continues to give forth

 

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moderate light and heat to its Remnant planetary family of of 165 worlds which now revolve about this venerable mother of two Mighty generations of the monarchs of light well that is so beautiful beautiful wow and that brings us to section five which is the origin of monmesia the Urantia solar system wow as you can see this is more than a showful wow what paper is this this is 147. what is one no just 57 oh 50 or 57 and 57. see that’s what excites me about this book you know we’ve had a few shows and as we’re going

 

54:58
imagine as people get to ask questions about parts that are interesting to them sure you have to study for 44 years it’s interesting to see as you you pull um to where in the book to go to be able to get an interesting and full answer that really describes so many things I have appreciated this thank you for doing this it’s been fun I think so I think I think that um that’s just probably just about a Show’s worth you know I I wonder sometimes you know let’s I think an interesting

 

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wrap up the origin of our solar system is quite interesting oh please five billion years ago your son was a comparatively isolated blazing orb having gathered to itself most of the nearby circulating matter of space remnants of the recent upheaval which attended its own birth solar after birth that’s interesting today your son has achieved relative stability but as eleven and one half years Sunspot Cycles betrayed that it was a variable star in its youth in the early days of your son the continued contraction and consequent

 

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gradual increase of temperature initiated tremendous convulsions on its surface these Titanic heaves required three and one half days to complete a cycle of varying brightness this variable statement is periodic pulsation rendered your son highly responsive to certain outside influences which were to be shortly encountered so what does that mean that means that our son had a variable heat is a variable star meaning that policy it it was doing things inside and because of that it had other things influencing it as it

 

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was creating and it was our son so we little Earth were in a reaction it hadn’t happened yet oh okay so this is just our son just this is about that we’re building out his cat this is about the origin of the solar system we talked about the origin of our son in the nebula now the origin of our Earth is in the is comes from the sun I see okay thus was the stage of local space set for The Unique origin of monmatia that being the name of your son’s planetary family the solar system to which your

 

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world belongs moon meisha less than one percent of the planetary systems of our Bonton have had a similar origin let me understand that one less than one percent of the planetary systems in arvonton which is this part of the universe have had a similar wow imagine when someone says to you there is no other being that’s alive in the universe wow okay four and a half billion years ago the enormous angana system began its approach to the neighborhood of the solitary Sun the center of this great system was a

 

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dark giant of space solid highly charged in possessing tremendous gravity pull as angana more closely approached the Sun at moments of Maximum expansion during solar pulsations streams of gaseous material were shot out into space as gigantic solar tongues uh at first these Fleming gas tongues would invariably fall back into the Sun but it but as angana Drew nearer and nearer the gravity pull of the gigantic visitor became so great that these tons of gas would break off at certain points The Roots falling back into the sun

 

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while the outer sections would become detached to form independent bodies of matter solar meteorites which would which immediately started to revolve about the sun in elliptical orbits of Their Own what an exciting thing to to hear I mean in your mind you see this is fantastic as the angana system Drew never the solar extrusions grew larger and larger more and more matter was drawn from the Sun to become independent circulating bodies in surrounding space this situation developed for about 500 000 years

 

01:00:12
until angana made its closest approach to the Sun we’re upon the sun in conjunction with one of its periodic internal convulsions experienced a partial disruption from opposite sides and simultaneously the enormous volumes of matter were disgorged from the angana side there was drawn out a vast column of solar gases rather pointed at both ends and markedly bulging at the center like a big joint which became permanently detached from the immediate gravity control of the Sun wow this great column of solar gases which

 

01:01:04
was thus separated from the Sun subsequently evolved into the 12 planets of the solar system the repercussional ejection of gas from the opposite side of the sun entitled sympathy with the Extrusion of this gigantic solar system ancestor has since condensed into the meteors and space dust of the solar system although much very much of this matter was subsequently recaptured by solar gravity as the angana system receded into remote space solar gravity so it came back into the sun yeah what I found interesting

 

01:01:45
and how many planets are there forget Pluto or not Pluto that was nine twelve catch that we want to make sure you were listening originally yeah although and Ghana succeeded in drawing away the ancestral material of the solar system planets and the enormous volume of matter now circulating about the Sun as asteroids and meteors it did not secure for itself any of this solar matter visiting system did not come quite close enough to actually steal any of the sun’s substance but it did swing sufficiently close to draw off into the

 

01:02:29
intervening space all of the material comprising the present-day solar system I always wondered how we got on that angle we’re on the solar system angle wow you think I’m saying now that happens I’m gonna cause my life isn’t this fantastic I mean when I hear this being read by you and I close my eyes or not but when I close my eyes and visualize this imagine in our computer age people that could have fun like a real interesting development by understanding different vectors and rather than putting these to recreate

 

01:03:10
and physical form through the creation of the sources through it are we in a beautiful time you know talk about gratitude what a grateful I feel so grateful to be alive now and to be part of this to be able to do this and to be able to be here with you right to be able to share this with all of us wow you know in this age of Internet everything you see here in akaku maybe you’re seeing it on YouTube the James Kimmel channel right yeah so look up James Kimmel not Jimmy Kimmel but you’ll see you’ll see because these shows one

 

01:03:48
of the women have been calling these shows uh q a with Jason and Jim okay q a with Jason and Jim and he has other shows you Jim Kimmel has been reading about your Rancher book and has been talking about the Kingdom of Hawaii and Paradise for a good long time I I feel so truly privileged to be here with you um allow me to ask questions wait till you guys can ask questions coming soon so let’s make sure we do that do you have anything specific you want to end at a certain point I wanted to mention

 

01:04:27
there’s so much here there’s so much here to work this is fantastic I mean to me what a great book oh God okay tonight I’m gonna read about it I almost feel like I’m gonna I don’t know where to start well here’s here’s one little just to close out this thing about the the formation of the solar system the five inner and five outer planets soon formed in miniature from the cooling and condensing nucleuses of the less massive and tapering ends of the gigantic gravity bulge bulge which in Ghana had

 

01:05:00
succeeded in detaching from the Sun while Saturn and Jupiter were formed from the more massive and bulging Central portions so from 12 to 10 there’s a lot in here it’s great the five eater in five hours either then Jupiter and Saturn were the inner oh I see they’re additional well so they come I like it the powerful gravity pool of Jupiter and Saturn really captured most of the materials stolen from angana as the retrograde motion of certain of their satellites Bears Witness imagine the force

 

01:05:39
something to be able to pull and create I’m just I guess I just I keep saying wow but it is truly um that’s why I’m I’m glad you know we we talk about Jesus in that whole section and we’re going to talk about it more and I’m sure you that’s a lot of you want to talk about too which is fine but I’m having a great time because this is most of the first part science like this well the first part is more more cosmology um Divine Science I guess is what cosmology is pretty much is study the

 

01:06:17
origin of the cosmos I see it okay so the first the first section deals with God in his paradise Associates in the Isle of paradise and not in the seven super universes okay so then part two deals with a local universe and in part three is the history so well this is because I am so glad to be turned on to this I guess they call the book Urantia because we’re here and they want to make sure everyone realizes his about the Earth but this is about the cosmology of the whole universe God in a very

 

01:06:55
interesting way you know uh many scholars I’m sure have studied aspects of this but this has been around and I I hope more people will take the time just like I am just like many of you are two read this book this is a lot of books I look forward to getting input because clearly at this point I haven’t had enough time to be reading as much as you have and after 44 years and having gone through the book number at least I don’t know can you get through it in a year oh yeah you see you get oh okay okay that’s good

 

01:07:37
very easy I think that the concordance it’s interesting it’s like where do you start you don’t want to start and get bored so I think going to the concordance and finding a subject that interests you and or just go to the table of contents okay look at the number look at the titles of the papers and the contents of the papers and you’ll surely find all kinds of stuff that intrigues you oh that’s a great way for me to do it too okay you know I’ve had so much fun in these shows with you by asking questions I

 

01:08:09
hope that you guys appreciate that I’m learning with you and I’m appreciating your tremendous wealth of knowledge and understanding of the book you know when when I’ve seen you out in public and different things and you represent things and then share about things um you have such passion in your statements some people understand you and come up and say hey good guy and other people I see them like just it’s almost like an amazement you are um Larger than Life and I I am very very happy to call you my friend

 

01:08:46
I’m very happy to be your friend thank you and I hope you’re good don’t forget man the kingdom of God is at hand meaning a return to the high spiritual concept of Jesus who proclaimed that the kingdom is the will of his Heavenly Father dominant and Transcendent in the heart of the Believers so let’s see if we can translate that into simple Angus is that which the world needs most to know is men are the sons of God and through faith they can actually realize and daily experience this enobling truth and

 

01:09:23
by being the Sons and Daughters of God by the father and treating each other with love what a beautiful world we live in it’s the fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man is fabulous we’re have we can have Heaven on Earth if you want it I want it we’re there well thank you for spending the time here with me today pleasure brother I don’t know what sure I’m gonna call this the heliconia and Merlin pleasure pleasure bro thank you for joining us we’ll see you again perfect
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