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Jason with NELSON ARMITAGE, Minister of Foreign Affairs for the Reinstated LHG, Lawful Hawaiian Government. Discussions about Sovereignty,Rights of Hawaiians, and the Future and the Spirit of Aloha. 8-20-2018
Summary & Transcript
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- [00:11 → 07:37] Introduction and Historical Context of the Lawful Hawaiian Government
The show opens with a warm welcome and introduction to the topic of the Lawful Hawaiian Government and the reinstatement efforts of the Kingdom of Hawaii. The host introduces Nelson Armitage, the Minister of Foreign Affairs for the reinstated lawful Hawaiian government, alongside other members such as Steve Bass and Tyson Saucier. Nelson explains that the movement to reinstate the Kingdom of Hawaii began gaining momentum particularly after President Bill Clinton’s apology in 1993, which acknowledged the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom in 1893.
Nelson draws parallels between Hawaii’s situation and international conflicts such as the Georgia-Russia dispute, illustrating how international law and recognition of sovereignty are crucial. He emphasizes that the Kingdom of Hawaii still exists as a nation under international law despite 125 years of illegal occupation and statehood imposed by the United States. The reinstatement process is framed as not only a political movement but a legal and historical correction based on treaties and international agreements.
He stresses the importance of education to understand the “Western hypocrisy” behind the overthrow and subsequent occupation. The goal of the lawful Hawaiian government is to restore the rightful authority and sovereignty of the Hawaiian people, correcting injustices sustained over more than a century.
- [07:37 → 15:12] Challenges and Misconceptions Surrounding Reinstatement
The conversation shifts towards public perception and misconceptions about the reinstatement. The host and Nelson discuss the fear and resistance people feel when confronted with the idea of a reinstated Hawaiian government. Nelson explains that fear often stems from misunderstanding or the unknown, especially regarding land ownership and governance.
He clarifies that the lawful Hawaiian government is not about displacing people or creating chaos but about establishing rightful jurisdiction and honoring Hawaiian culture and traditions within a modern context. The reinstated government seeks to operate peacefully, respecting the “people of Aloha” philosophy, and aims to educate both Hawaiians and non-Hawaiians about the historical and legal realities.
- [15:12 → 24:41] Legal Recognition and International Engagement
Nelson details the international recognition efforts, including the process of validating the lawful Hawaiian government’s authority at places like The Hague’s International Court of Justice. He notes that recognition requires proof of jurisdiction, proper authority, and representation of the people, all of which the reinstated government has pursued diligently.
The segment highlights the complexity of international law and the way it applies to Hawaii’s unique situation. Nelson explains that the United States government, despite apologizing for the illegal overthrow, has not fulfilled its legal obligations under international law to correct the injustices and restore sovereignty. The discussion touches on the importance of the President and Congress in treaty-making and how these U.S. institutions have failed to properly address the Hawaiian situation.
The host and guests also discuss the various Hawaiian groups and factions, clarifying that many are not legitimate governments but rather advocacy or cultural groups without political authority. The lawful Hawaiian government stands apart as the recognized entity with legal standing to act on behalf of the Hawaiian people.
The dialogue transitions to the cultural and social impact of the reinstatement. The guests address concerns about how land ownership and titles might be affected. Nelson explains that many land titles currently held may not be legally valid under international law, and rightful ownership could be restored to Hawaiian families or the nation itself.
Steve Bass describes the reconciliation between traditional Hawaiian customs and modern governance, emphasizing the potential for a government that blends cultural values with contemporary technology and systems. The guests acknowledge fears among residents about displacement or loss of property but reassure that the goal is equitable resolution through Hawaiian courts rather than forceful eviction.
The conversation highlights successes in local land claims and legal battles affirming Hawaiian ownership rights, showcasing real progress in reclaiming sovereignty and justice. The complexity of transitioning authority from the current state and federal structures to the lawful Hawaiian government is recognized as a significant but necessary challenge.
- [37:15 → 49:21] Political Authority and the Role of Current Government Officials
Nelson and Steve discuss the role of current political leaders such as the governor, Attorney General, and federal representatives, explaining that these officials lack legitimate political authority over Hawaii as a nation. The state of Hawaii is described as a “substitute entity” without jurisdiction to govern the Hawaiian people or lands legitimately.
The history of misrepresentation by politicians claiming to represent Hawaiians, such as Mazie Hirono and Neil Abercrombie, is criticized for misleading the public and obstructing the restoration of Hawaiian sovereignty. The guests clarify that only the original Hawaiian people and their lawful government have the authority to correct the historical injustices and govern the land.
- [49:21 → 55:28] Future Prospects, Recognition, and Transition Planning
The discussion turns toward the future and what formal recognition of the lawful Hawaiian government might look like. Steve Bass envisions a scenario where the Kingdom of Hawaii is recognized by the United Nations and the federal government, leading to negotiations on governance, legislation, and land management.
They stress the importance of a peaceful transition that respects both Hawaiian sovereignty and the practical realities of modern infrastructure, economy, and community welfare. The reinstated government already has a constitution (updated in 2000), legislature, and election processes in place, demonstrating readiness to assume authority responsibly.
- [55:28 → 56:08] Closing Remarks
The show concludes with expressions of gratitude, affirmations of commitment to the cause, and an invitation to further dialogue and public engagement. The host thanks the guests for sharing their insights and stresses the importance of continued education and awareness to bring about justice and sovereignty for the Hawaiian nation.
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- Key Insights
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- The Kingdom of Hawaii still legally exists under international law despite over a century of illegal occupation and statehood imposed by the U.S.
- The Lawful Hawaiian Government has been reinstated with recognized authority to represent the Hawaiian people and seek restoration of sovereignty.
- Education and awareness are critical to overcoming misinformation, fear, and resistance within the Hawaiian community and beyond.
- The current state government and political leaders in Hawaii lack legitimate jurisdiction or authority over Hawaiian lands and people.
- International recognition, including validation by The Hague, bolsters the lawful Hawaiian government’s legitimacy.
- A peaceful, lawful transition respecting Hawaiian culture, tradition, and modern governance is the goal, not displacement or upheaval.
- Land ownership and titles must be reassessed under rightful Hawaiian sovereignty, potentially restoring lands to native families and the nation.
- The federal government holds responsibility under treaties and international law to correct historical injustices, but has yet to fulfill this duty properly.
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Q: What is the Lawful Hawaiian Government?
A: It is the reinstated government of the Kingdom of Hawaii, recognized under international law as the legitimate authority representing the Hawaiian people and nation.
Q: Why is the reinstatement necessary?
A: Because the Kingdom of Hawaii was illegally overthrown in 1893, and the subsequent U.S. occupation and statehood have violated international treaties and Hawaiian sovereignty.
Q: Does this mean people will lose their land?
A: The goal is to correct ownership injustices equitably through Hawaiian courts and legal processes, not to forcibly displace residents.
Q: How is the Lawful Hawaiian Government recognized internationally?
A: It has undergone validation processes, including efforts at the International Court of Justice in The Hague, proving jurisdiction and authority.
Q: What role does the U.S. government play?
A: The U.S. formally apologized in 1993 but has not fully corrected the legal and political consequences of the overthrow, which remains a major issue to resolve.
Q: How does this affect current political leaders in Hawaii?
A: Current state leaders are considered substitute entities without legal jurisdiction to govern the Hawaiian nation legitimately.
Q: What are the next steps for the Lawful Hawaiian Government?
A: Continued education, public awareness, diplomatic efforts, and eventual recognition by the U.S. and international bodies to enable a peaceful transition.
This comprehensive summary captures the key themes, historical context, legal basis, cultural implications, and future aspirations discussed in the video, strictly following the original structure and timestamps provided in the transcript.
Transcript
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welcome to the neutral zone we need to turn our head phone down for our guests [Music] I’ve been around for no man a man soul [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] welcome to the neutral zone today is August 20th 2018 I think immediately I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that August 21st I have a good friend that you guys know Jim Kimball tomorrow’s Jesus’s birthday check out the arranger book thank you Jim we have great sponsors on this show and and we have all kinds of people that are
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saying to me well you’re dealing with all kinds of issues and things that our people don’t really talk about much 
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the nation of Hawaii I’d like to introduce Nelson Armitage who’s here you have facebook live Nelson’s in the middle here and Steve Steve bass and Tyson saucier here from the reinstated lawful Hawaiian government and you’re the Minister of Foreign Affairs yes sir thank you for joining us I really consider it an honor to have you here it’s all prizm people in in our country of america for a long time they’ve been seeing Hawaiians I’m just wonder if this mic is in front of your face it were
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good these guys will fix it if we need to you know anyway the lawful Hawaiian government I went to a meeting a few years ago and I had the opportunity to watch a nation of Hawaii has had delegates from seems like all the islands come together and pass resolutions and have a government running now tell me how that started I know it’s when Bill Clinton apologized suddenly something triggered something had that well first of all thanks for having me on the show they saw real important is the missing pieces to understanding
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Hawaii’s history you know and what took place prior to 1893 leading up to today you know leading up to statehood and everything else that’s that’s pretty much behind the scenes you know of understanding Western hypocrisy and so when we talk about the reinstatement process you know for example when Georgia in below Russia had their problems going between the USSR and the Federation of Russia the difference was that the Pharaoh the USSR changed their name to the Federation of the Soviet
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Union okay so from a state they went to it nation-state and so now all states that encompasses you know from Georgia leading all up to up to Russia everybody’s under the political authority of the Russian government yeah and so in Hawaii and and let me finish that part too so what happened was back when George Bush jr. was in office the problems there was going on where George’s president was being elected and he’s been funded by the United States and the reason that they had this and
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still going on that the reason of the invasion of Russia was because the United States was was he following the rules you know they’re violating treaty violations they’re violating a lot of rules that’s not applicable to your domestic level and so what happened the problem that arise from the United States was going in and trying to upset and start a new government or they were trying to stop a new government or they’re trying to recognize the government as an independent state inside of Russia right and so you know I
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totally independence and so with George Bush got the word right he’s watching a football game or baseball game I can’t remember which one it was and simply stated that the Georgia is an independent state and it is wrong of Russia to invade such a country who’s totally independent now if we take that little clip of statement there and we’re coming back to Hawaii that application absolutely is viable for the Kingdom of Hawaii you know because of treaties and so on and so forth that is only only within a
framework of the national status of that country if I can what you gave was a long view of I’m gonna give you the the short sentence the violations of the people that were here in the Kingdom of Hawaii many years ago you’re comparing to what’s going on there in the Soviet Union so what going on that George Bush opened his mouth as president knighted States and they were trying to establish something over there there was already something going on similar to what was going on here in our history and that
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history I’m hoping people will go to you know the Maui miracle org the reinstated Hawaiian government site what’s the site’s address you know it’s the law flowing government or lawful Hawaiian government org there you’ll find really good information you know I think that um many people I went to the Maui college and I had a course there was called Hawaii center of the Pacific and when I was in the middle of that course I realized if your story got out there you would have a lot of people that
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aren’t Hawaiian standing for your truth and they would stand behind it and a lot more could happen that’s why I am excited because the power of this truth facts this election excuse me but I know maybe you guys are thinking you know we’re from another country where the Kingdom of Y but the people that are in America if they’re Hawaiian or they have a sympathy for causes have the ability to shape what’s going on because at any point that’s what we’re going to talk about by the way what you are doing
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impact everything going on here and people would be well-served to have continuity of good services well just like what you said about the people who who step up and support the truth you know you know prior to 1893 of course there were there are many American citizens foreigners that was already citizens of the country were against the illegal overthrow of the kingdom in 1843 you know and so in 1843 commemorative Turtles reinstated to his proper authority so you know it’s one in all right now and in 125 years
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has gone by it still doesn’t change the landscape of the rules that’s applicable to reinstate your country it’s who has the right to in-state the country for example you cannot have the Filipinos representing Japan or you cannot have Japan representing Australia you know so and so forth so we have education is the most important subject matter to understanding the whole clip of Western hypocrisy to be quite honest and how it has an effect on the country of 125 years of being illegally overthrown and
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controlled and right to the point of today is so well conditioned where that’s the last thing they want to hear is a reinstatement process well you know I I hear about the reinstated Hawaiian I don’t want to go the lawful Hawaiian government being reinstated and now that it’s up and in place I must think of it like you’ve holding your finger in the dike for all Hawaiians until they’re all their agreements come your making sure that an international law that you’re doing the right thing to make sure that
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the the nation of Hawaii is recognized and dot’s its eyes and crosses its teeth said the man I’ve asked the general basics cuz I I know I always hear as how these white guys or excuse me well I don’t mean that as a specific white I mean all of us that are we all would like to think that you know we can make this all right yeah we can I believe there is so much truth that people have been misled we hear that the Hawaiians are fighting and there’s all these groups they’ll never come together
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but the real truth is however it’s being fought which will get about I’m sure talking it’s everyone will come together when all the pieces there and you’re holding a very important piece because you’re recognized in international circles as the government yeah really yeah that is the most powerful statement who enforces these laws I mean I’m guessing trips over to Europe and stuff what are you doing there what are you trying to do well you know it’s part of the whole educational process people
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though you know the domestic level has no knowledge of understanding what it takes to which is 125 years old and how do you correct this rule you know this whole perceptive of believing that this is part of America when it’s it’s not an easy task but I’ll be honest all we need to do is go by the rulebook you know so we follow the rules in any general form if you want to play basketball for example and you join the basketball league on the NBA right it’s impossible to have the NFL coming in asserting
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their claims and want to play basketball with more rules and so that application applies to you know any status of a treaty of every country so so you cannot have a foreign another foreign party a new party of foreign party coming here and recreate the wheel since you go to Europe for example there’s a I guess it’s an international court right yeah is that the Nate did you know that that nations are in court at a different level well at this International Court where is it that’s in The Hague
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Netherlands yeah in Den Haag it’s well then hey so it’s it’s a pretty neat it’s a my god I gotta admit it’s fascinating first of all to get then really observed the whole spectrum of the international community and it’s a it’s a haughty put it for me as the Hawaiian went there and just experienced the matter was fascinating first of all we went to the international courts first the justice and we’re ready I did the legwork to qualify our position sort of the position there is well recognized and to
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be recognized you have to have proper authority and to have the proper authority you need to carry and validate your jurisdiction your proper status of your authority and who’s part of this you know government and the people of the country and so that took a bit but the validation was there and it proves that yep the law foreign government does exist on cording to the rules so you went through a lot of scrutiny of all that went on and knowing it’s the United States and all that went on with with
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the people occupying and all that stuff is already general right yeah and they recognized while that being whatever it was you guys are a real Kingdom well they recognize the jurisdiction of this country so that means that the Kingdom does exist under its own granary Paul what is goal are you looking to suddenly put in a new government that I’m sure makes things better brings back more cultural enrichment all the things that whoa that’s a it’s a question that you know a lot of people don’t want to
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hear a lot of people don’t want to hear you know for example like Steve here who came in and you know I explained to him our position how we’re trying to accomplish the goal the whole important thing is that trying you know accomplishing something at this level you don’t need to raise guns it’s the first thing you know we’re the people of Aloha and maybe we could teach the world or raise you know respect with our law and so and you have to use it problem you have to be proper when you’re using
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anybody’s culture it doesn’t matter what perspective a piece and how many it is in any country’s every country has it every single country has a long and so when you find using the rules that’s applicable and trying to get the governor to admit that what he’s doing is absolutely out of you know order and he needs to fulfill his obligations on the international rules or the mayor and on and on they they have a hard time accepting these matters so let’s I’m just gonna I’m gonna change
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it new consciousness from earth to earth – here comes earth – look now the Kingdom of Hawaii Hawaii has been accepted what shift do we expect people here to see I imagine ownership changes will happen of a lot of lands but respect for the land is there well yes the whole concept you know how many people being duped about land and who’s profiting from all it is and who has a right to correct all of this it’s not a group that has a right to correct it it’s not a substitute entity to correct the
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problems nor is it a matter of an individual to correct the problem it’s the jurisdiction of that country has that authority to absolutely fulfill the obligations under the treaty responsibility and the tree responsibility takes effect after the fact of making sure that everybody in that country has a right to participate in its governing authority and his governing authority has the right to correct all of the injustice so I mean just that’s a great question because the hundred gotta realize 125 years went by
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and and first of all most people don’t even understand really what is the Hawaiian people person you know I you know at my age I am so glad that I was right in the middle of all of this actions that from the start of criminal conduct to the ongoing criminal conduct and I experienced a lot of differences of understanding who’s right who’s wrong who has this who has that and all he came down to was really jurisdiction and so the state of Hawaii has no political authority the United States has no
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political authority because they finally won apologize for the criminal conduct a hundred years later okay so when we want to talk about how the economy and all of this stuff comes in I believe you have to have a true understanding of what affects got it to the effect and what’s going to make it all happen properly you know and so the bottom line is real clear you without a legal understanding or at least some source of information to understand what it takes to put it all back is the most important element
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to trying to achieve the goal you know and so it’s like I said 125 years where do you want to start I think education is very important because without that you cannot achieve you cannot go into a game in the middle of the game and try to complete the game you know I just am well here we are you know it’s like we knocked out the first picture we’ve had a few pictures in there now hey Jim we just had another visitor in the studio in fact I already said happy birthday to Jesus August 21st Jim
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Campbell just joined us in the studio we’re pretty cramped in here this is a radio station railroad station but-but-but-but just answer the question is really what I’m thinking is hmm I want to take away what I call the fear I feel that people feel that suddenly if there’s a lawful Hawaiian government and the Hawaiian nation brings itself in that it’s going to change things what you’re gonna change some ownership well let’s put it this way let’s let’s go to these people everybody’s afraid of fear
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you know it every single human being has a fear in sea doesn’t matter if you Mike Tyson or Michael Jordan you know it doesn’t matter but or even me you know I have a fear of making sure that nobody gets hurt you know because right is right wrong is wrong so when we look at the hundred years of deception 1993 I mean it goes from 1893 to 1895 1897 where the new President of the United States so that timeline really did little spent 1849 was one thing but that in 1890s there was a bunch of activity a takeover and a
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deception and trying to reclaim the thing from the u.s. change of presidents I mean it is worthy of I’m sure it’s a a movie or two but fact is it’s changed the course of our history oh these guys will close down I couldn’t talk their own language couldn’t bring their own culture out for all chunk of time you probably remember that in your family I knew I knew it’s right there in my mind but the reality is that again like you said if we go back and make a timeline and follow all of these timelines
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everything that you look at is absolutely criminal it doesn’t matter how it burned the tape or cook it or burn and hang it out in the dry it out it comes out criminal so when you know continuing the criminal conduct does not help you know the light that goes on so after imagine is now finally 100 years went by and he apologized for the criminal conduct no wow what would a normal pirate do the hundred years of tyranny the political deception the the deprivation of misleading the world first of all and and then how do you
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correct all of this you know it’s and you don’t just get the information I mean they’re not gonna play it directly right by that rule you know so the United States the only person when you read their rules and you read the kingdoms law it’s very clear the only person has the right to correct all of the injustice make it real clear it’s the President of the United States who signs the treaties and in Congress two thirds of Congress has to agree to that the treaty changes Congress has no
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right to intervene and go make right justices claims for any country only the president my question today is real clear how come everybody in Hawaii has a right to decide what is right for the kingdom when first of all the the rules applicable only to one authority one people and with respect to those who believe that China correct the injustice is one thing but do you have the right to intervene because like I said you Russia cannot intervene for the Philippines matters with the United States and the United States would call
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it a treaty violation you know because they’re not a signatory to a treaty with the Philippines along with the United States showing a resolution or anything like that like I said we created a new way now with the Kingdom of Hawaii and they’ll be you know but but it’s not a new one don’t remember it’s not annoying we got about three minutes till our break so I’m going to quickly wrap it up and get ready for the next half what I’d like to to recognize is I mean we’ll fix
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the microphone so you can see a beautiful faces and anyway is the one that can forgive like because forgiveness I said you know and also realizing that we come from represent a step up in culture we see going on in the world yes your and that is a glowing presence that I think introduced from the heart in the center of the this where we are can do a lot so I think information like you say is the next step so I’m glad we’re doing this show you know and all groups that are Hawaiian can realize we’re bringing all
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the ships up a rising tide raises all ships education is gonna make things better and make it so that we can all move forward and we’ll see where the law you know engages and what can be enforced and how it can be enforced but if we come to understand and embrace the Hawaiian culture and what we’re doing and give the Hawaiians of a feeling of the I want to say ownership or if you will but there is no ownership but I mean guts from God but I’m just feeling that it’s been a long time since the Hawaiian
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great now we’ve been covering some stuff here but you know I want to talk about the political things but I also wanted to talk about what are there a lot of different Hawaiian groups this is something that that we can do to help make the reader but when I talk to and mention names about something to someone and they say oh no way they have this group of that group how do we recognize what’s going on so that what you’re doing is recognized that in my mind that is a core so that am I correct in that
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Nelson yeah you know there’s a difference between groups America has a great way of labeling people you know and so when you walk you anyway need to Kuwait for example you know they label it he just started labeling these people as you know the south the north and east and west side of the the country and and absolutely just called the North Bay the Kurds you know and in the salt was of the you know Saddam Hussein position and on and on it’s ridiculous they’re not groups there are peoples of that
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country they’re the first nation the first peoples of that state or nation really and in out in our case the group situation is America’s got millions of 501c3 groups you know you got boys called cops cults he named it but they don’t pool Authority remember that there’s a guy around you know his name I do his name is Keanu sigh he’s somehow involved and teaching people about what’s going on through history and there’s guys at the college teaching about the history and then when I see
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there’s a guy on Molokai named walter ritty he’s got things going on also there john talking about what they’re doing i don’t listen too closely because i know it like you say whatever authority who’s recognizing what what are we doing with all this are we creating a separate nation they’re talking about coal of a and they’re talking about Molokai and creating a nation from there there’s all that that’s a great deal as a great way of dividing the people you know and who had
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who’s funding them you know who’s funding these independence or this individuals true nation doesn’t need funding you know the true nation comes off of their own natural resources their own cause of creating a financial cash sustainability but the bottom line is that’s what happened in 1893 real simple they didn’t want to pay their taxes through the Kingdom of Hawaii that’s part of the hidden secrets you know so what they did was he legally started to collaborate and put this whole illegal
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process together and voila and we are today and so when you look at those who are advocating sovereignty knows who’s trying to create the will recreate the wheel or trying to put a nation within a nation we’re the only country in the world has that proposal on the table nobody else has that you know because it’s been sold misconstrued by individuals that’s misleading the general public especially in the home like I said the people Hawaii the original peoples of this country has the proper authority to
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correct the injustice not the newcomers how for example the political authority came to mazie Hirono Abercrombie you ever come here who was a senator pryor senator senator annoy who former senator Inouye and Acosta well they were the political deception through the whole process because when we reinstated the country back in 1999 in March 13th that raised the flag so from March 13th backwards there was no such word as the Native Hawaiian government or Native legal aid and all of this native programs after we reinstated the country
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all of a sudden Congress woke up to the fact after Prime Minister Noah sent the illegal notice that we were in stayed in the country we waiting on your response you know of course they don’t want to respond that’s natural that’s a huge liabilities on a table and so by respond that by not responding we’re still living in this dilemma and so make it long a story short where now you have foreign aliens who’s in in Hawaii who’s trying to claim that they’re Hawaiians like annoy a Kaka
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mazie Hirono Neil Abercrombie and they were the ones who absolutely mislead the whole entire world when you look at the congressional records and of holiday trying to create they don’t have the substance what it takes to put the laws and put the rules back together cuz they’re the wrong party in other words for example we cannot go to Japan and expect the Filipinos to decide what is right for the Japanese or anyway vice-versa so when they got caught at their own table discussion discussing
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these issues with their own attorney generals what amazes me is that how come the Attorney General didn’t stop them at that time and correct their problems you know Donald Trump’s got some serious issues going on internally and it’s the same process you know it doesn’t matter what level is but it’s the same corrupt action going on here in Oi so in finally when all of this government to government relationship remember from 2000 all the way just to recently maybe 2005 59 they finally said okay what a
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native Hawaiian go we’re not natives we are not we’re original peoples of this country the natives are dyes like Abercrombie who used the identity of this country the Commonwealth of this country can survive on their own substitute process I number one understand that appreciate what you said and let’s now assume that the governor do the right thing yeah well now let’s say what does that look like what does that look like what did they say I have a friend and has a great outlook on the
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whole thing so Steve why don’t you give us your save what welcome to our show is here in the studio with us some people can’t see us we all look like who and what is my how do I think about this you know for anything let me be clear that I cannot speak for the Hawaiian government I only I have some opinions in my own and sometimes they coincide I’m not sure what exactly I mean the wine government wants to be able to adjudicate land I think it’s what we’re driving it yes question well I’m what I’m asking really
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is in my world now in Jason’s world now our new world and I decided you’re right I decided you’re right now that now the question to me is the people that are here now that they heard that that’s so are they all waiting for someone to come to the door and say I’m sorry you have 24 hours you have to leave because this isn’t yours or they gonna hear and say we are all now if you want to become citizens of the kingdom of Hawaii and together here how it’s going to change all the monies
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that were routed here are gonna stay rooted there we’re gonna keep people in their positions but we’re gonna be making changes that go along with the culture that embrace things in a different has there been a plan and that’s why I’m asking it there is there are tentative plans bring a lot of people looking for the education because they realize it makes the fear what is the fear where does the fears of the way all the second comes from it comes from being unknown when you hear Hawaiian and
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I got here in 1988 and when I got here I wondered why sometimes the Hawaii looked at me a little funny in honor as I lived here longer I got to understand more about what happened to them more about what happened with their language well all these things growing up around them that changed their beautiful culture and well everything everyone came here to see someone do that was outlawed that maybe wasn’t even part of whatever all the history is all gone now we look like Honolulu which looks like Los Angeles
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and we’re all trying to fight but the Hawaiian culture is em it’s like okay get rid of all the buildings we’re gonna start with huts no I mean people are afraid of what happens something that I don’t think that the modern era but I mean saying I’m just saying the modern nation of Hawaii the old and true customs and traditions and culture embraced with the modern world of technology and everything that’s going on have you of course yeah we have a government that does that
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and it’s you know it’s what Steve has been pondering over the matter because he’s trying to figure out how do we beat this notes you know and I’ll let him try to finish up his part the ponderer I guess I say I can’t lost track of where I was you’re talking about land disputes and whether or not people are gonna be bulldozed out of their house and that’s no I’m just talking about people say now that there’s a kingdom of Hawaii what does that mean and I don’t want to
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the kingdom why I have this land all the title companies there to get sued that’s because I don’t own the land then there’s all that stuff is sometimes I think like this giant 800-pound elephant in the room that people don’t listen to what you’re telling that’s a smile thinking on your bones oh that’s true actor I never thought about any 800-pound gorilla oh and in my point being if we can set aside the fear part we can get on with loving each other and moving forward because they’re
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just putting what is right is right right it’s right that’s what I’m saying right and what’s right is for the Hawaiians to be able to make these decisions for themselves and there are there’s some criminal history involved with the way the land has played out and sometimes that may be problematic for individuals at head land no telling but it can certainly be equitably decided in a Hawaiian court whereas it’s uh it appears pretty clear that none of those issues are be a neckla to be decided in
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an American course right now all of it goes straight to the corporate people who pirated it in the first place so well you’ve had some successes here locally there’s a gentleman that I had interviewed who was running for council ka moku Kapoor years ago really nice gentleman now he’s running for Oh ha in fact I guess I can say that ah yeah now he really fight in the American courts and had success you’ve had some other successes at Lansdowne in malleco Gulch and there are other places I met a gentleman who
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passed away a big heavyset guy on the Westside line all the Wallow to Denton bring a bell you always had it anyway but there are people here who have titles to land that supersede things that we see and that’s what that’s what Nelson is talking about and Steve we’re talking about so those kind of things do exist and change of ownership could well happen to people and you know people that think they own this huge swath of land suddenly realize that they’re actually families that have title clear
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title to these property correct well the ruse is real simple Jay see what the problem is putting those rules in effect is this is the issue that the only responsibility in the state is the governor and the Attorney General who has the right to oversight these matters properly in accordance to title 28 of the United States judicial practices because they cannot use the kingdom’s Constitution it’s illegal to use any foreign governments Authority when you’re when you’re a substitute entity
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so the governor and the Attorney General are substitutes they cannot make proper like what Steve because if they don’t have jurisdiction they’re the wrong party that right they’re not the one they’re the wrong we should be making any decisions anyway it’s like when someone comes into the courtroom in America he’s in America about their license plate and I’m only using it as a simple free exam example since it happens all day well it happens quite a bit and the question is I am NOT right a citizen of
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the whole nation of Hawaii they know that they know the history here the real problem behind that they won’t accept it only because you look at y’all look at it this way from 1959 to today’s 59 years of the statehood tyranny okay and I’m talking the deprivation misleading the concept of reality and so when the exercise of a normal nation has a right to decide whatever they want they have no right to intervene because they have no status when you look at our taki verses lingo ohhohh in the state of Hawaii okay
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Arakaki is known as a group you know and the federal government had not recognized the state as a state yet since 1959 can you imagine that since 1959 the state of Hawaii is still at an applicant to the United States it’s in our coffee versus lingo yeah that’s that’s part of the history that Arakaki versus Lingle can what was that situation it’s make a long story short is that the our caucus was believed that they have a right not to pay the taxes like the Indians they have a right to all lands because they
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believe that a beneficiaries of this country they’re not and so the federal government stepped in and said no this is a non-justiciable political question of course our judges here don’t want to hear that because imagine being on the bench for 10 plus years and you made all the criminal wrongs adjudications and the effects behind all that when when the fan does spin serious I mean it’s beyond I would say repair it’s just that you know it doesn’t bring no fear it’s the right is right wrong is wrong but
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when you’re gonna mistreat the purpose the people who has absolutely right here yeah by telling them that you don’t have a right to travel with your own life’s in place your own driver’s license your registration and traveling on you on the roads that they don’t even own the mayor the governor that’s you know that’s where I would say the that’s where the real problem starts because they don’t want to accept the fact they’re afraid of losing what they got today that’s
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their fear factor not ours so I’m gonna try to I’m making up making up a scenario again decision has happened in international court Hawaii now exists okay what can we expect that the the mayor and the whole thing is still in place will the government of Hawaii come in and somehow I want to say is it some kind of transition has any of the stuff been discussed their work worked out in any way to make well let’s put it this way you know after even mistreated 425 years you know for example like
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chemicals property he had been in court for 18 years okay Wow and the courts have been absolutely mistreating every single land case because why the land decisions doesn’t belong to a new state that’s the new state you talked about earlier now that new state has no they never jail they cannot jail because they’re the wrong party they don’t have enough catalyst to make this thing hardened they don’t have enough epoxy two-bit peace a party to make it all work right so they lost that integrity
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of becoming what they’re supposed to be a substance of reality but the reality is that they’re the wrong party can never happen and making decisions for the United States who admitted to these crimes 100 years ago 125 years total and they’re making decisions for the United States which is tell me that’s right or wrong oh I get that it’s that it’s wrong for them to that but I also know that you told me a hundred and twenty-five years means none of us were there and yes we all
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recognize it was wrong and what was done and how all these things happened over these years were absolutely wrong to correct now to correct it only to killarney yeah yes that’s why I brought a thing about modern Hawaii so as much as now we have the right jurisdiction so the decisions are made by whatever new body somehow I don’t know it either well pick we’re looking into a crystal ball for what that’s gonna exactly look out look at the transition now where the money’s go and how everything flows and
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how we make sure the plumbing still works and everything that’s quite a workout I am sure that it’s an easy task to be quite honest you know it’s an easy task only because we have the wrong functioning party in there who’s not put in the funds where absolutely belongs yeah if you for the original peoples of this country then why we just were the most low-class persons labeled in our own country something did wrong there well I don’t know what you mean by a little class I never think of you that way why not I
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didn’t mean that you think of us no no it’s in the book said it’s written that way okay it’s it’s all it’s how the Senators and Representatives of this country today from 59 to today had put this language together you know I and Steve there was something that came to my attention that was real telling and I free it was judge it was Kawano or whatever during one of these cases the subject of you know Hawaiian Authority came up and the apology resolution and correct me if I’m wrong but the guy says
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no they didn’t apologize to you guys here’s I don’t how many people are familiar with the apology resolution but Bill Clinton recognized all this stuff that we’re talking about and labeled bullet points we apologize for this that the other invasions but you know instance of genocide and the whole business and what in quantum state we didn’t apologize to you guys right and those judge-made to see you my apologies to judge Kawano I’m sure he’s got his own skeletons but we didn’t
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apologize to you guys you this goes back to the business of the shitty still practicing all them opposite office right no huh thank you your honor but I think that was a rather coarse way of you know showing your prejudice well it’s exactly what has taken place because he didn’t apologize to Hawaiians he apologized to Native Hawaiians which is a different matter from the original Hawaiians this was sort of a political move to stack voting role you know it was a gerrymandering move the development of this so-called Native
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Hawaiian who’s not really a native Hawaiian maybe the Japanese or American or whatever but you know the executives that Abercrombie and or whatever it is Alexander and Baldwin are not native or I guess they are Native Hawaiians with definition of that reason but they’re not original Hawaiians and that’s what that’s what the guy was saying Cahill we apologize to everybody but you actually and I always say now that they apologize what does it mean to the for example the quality do Hawaiians get Ed special
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education opportunity well let’s go back to the apology first can you apologize you know all of it the nation status tree abilities all coming after the fact of getting knowledge understanding where we’re going from here you know so in reality when you apologize 1993 you know what he called prosecutors this dream would be when he gets a you know criminal in the room and he confesses to the crime that makes it happen and admits to it I mean in detail Bob and makes the job easier thank you so much
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for your cooperation and that’s what Clinton did by is apology and did they ever went to court for it no that’s the remember now you still have a court matter to this issue sure okay 1993 did they ever go to court yet no of course not yet so the manipulation of 19 1993 to two days we sit in your talking story continues and continues using every resources of governing activities or sector groups or guys like whoever you named the earlier down the line they’re using them guys to mislead the whole
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process as well and its self executing first of all and and that’s where it’s criminally wrong recognize you know the United Nations of the Criminal Courts of Justice the United Nations of Justice the committee’s on the human right divisions I mean there’s a whole list of those committees that absolutely the in disagreement with the United States acts and the only difference is we didn’t arrive properly yet to get there to now settle this whole matter we’re getting to the point of getting it on the table
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without any disruption that’s the you know it’s the most important thing so that the United States do take responsibility for their 1993 resolution you know and a resolution you know police officers judges I mean you need the description about a joint resolution is meritless it’s just a bunch of words and with first of all if you don’t understand what US international law means you shouldn’t open your mouth you know because it holds serious criminal consequences regardless of ignorance of
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the law is no excuses they would tell you in you go to court right but at the end of it all it holds a whole lot of consequences and so there’s false interpretation of understanding and trying to cover up you know America’s criminal conduct is well report we are I don’t think we’re the first but surely we’re hoping that we’re really the interest of many to find out about what went on what is now the situation and realize that when we have elections here in America that there may be things happening in the
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near future that we need to you know it could be suddenly now boom international law recognized Kingdom of Hawaii reinstated that they recognize in now jurisdiction and something is going to happen we have to remember that we’re talking about something that’s coming from giving people back their rights and giving people back and their sense of pride and things that were stripped away from them so that’s only a natural thing to do yeah you know I do and as far as what will happen and
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the older I get the more I realized that old adage we don’t think it with us and you know and I think that’s why I brought you in right here at the primary election is happening because I recognize and honor the Kingdom of Hawaii and I recognize that when I when I ran for mayor in 1994 I actually thought about it I thought you know I might be a good transition person to be able to find a way to gently and appropriately change whose jurisdiction and who controls us but to the right thing right try to pass the baton of
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truth and love you know that’s what it’s about is you know it’s not being humble because Steve is a and you know Tyson here you know we all understand and of course it’s it’s a it’s a uprooting reading to be honest I mean when you look at the whole situation it’s so criminal and especially if you go deep into it it’s so criminal that I already saw the Wizard of Oz in Pinocchio what else does it take for judge to realize what he’s doing criminally wrong the governor the
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mayors and the Attorney General of the state who has the responsibility to fulfill their obligations on the federal rule because they’re not a state remember that let’s say now they listen to this show please listen to this show what do we want to say to them that might move this forward in some meaningful way well you know just I’ll be honest we try to communicate with them you know and in with all due respect our prime minister is a great leader to be honest because we opened the door with we made communications try
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to sit on and openly discuss this like human beings diplomatically or however you want to put it because it does have a fear factor card over everybody well that’s one thing but imagine I’ve seen a lot of great kupunas pass away and just just suffering from passing because of they know what was wrong from their time in you know it’s like sad it’s so I got I bought the second-generation you know growing up in like the the third you know I don’t know I guess I gonna be the flawed you know I’m it’s all turn
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into correctness injustice you know and we’re doing it the right way like how we were taught at home you gotta be hungry I’ll be peaceful you gotta be loving but don’t cheat yourself understanding the right you know and don’t let those cheat you either you know because crime is is a hidden secret that it it is vast and first of all you don’t have no understanding who you are for us you don’t understand what obligations are what rules that apply to you then that’s where the confusion
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comes in because the governor and everybody else is excluded from all process no matter what they say what they do they’re not the proper party so if today if you want to call the governor up and ask him do you recognize Henry nor as the Prime Minister you know or you know the question is law you know I mean it’s of course they don’t wanna recognize he imagined a liability what would you ask him for I mean we have a couple of minutes we have a couple of minutes ago well in other words well
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let’s say that the ruling happens what could be moving you ahead in some meaningful way that makes you feel like hey we are starting to get traction here on our kingdom what is there something that can happen now well you want I’ll give you me yeah boy there’s lots of stuff one thing the kingdom is maybe recognized by the UN but not by the state of Hawaii we’ve had better luck interacting with the feds they’ve made some concessions but the first thing would be the recognition and then we sit
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down and negotiate these points which are really a matter for you know various ministerial offices and legislation I mean what do we want to do about this or that so you’ve been fraction well that’s for the legislation to decide and right upstairs was that the kingdom has an updated constitution that was voted in in what 2000 you know they have legislature in place that they cycle through every year was it two years four years four years their elections the clients have processes in place
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with which to deal with all these questions first the state has to recognize the kingdom or you know the federal government it does have jurisdiction over its monkey could enforce the state exactly exactly they don’t have any jurisdiction over the kingdom I don’t man to be things off you can see where that’s what happened you know what ends up happening I hope you’ll come back and be a guest on our show again and know this is only really radio this is all Facebook live that’s
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extra but we can do television and we can bring charts and arrows and I just would like to continue our conversation be more than happen bring the love and a low on understanding what’s going on to a new level and may there be lots of cooperation and help now I hear all kinds of people around me or I was just someone rattling papers until they tell I got a minute I think there it is a minute 13 seconds and now we’re gonna do a little closing music and stuff oh no you don’t fairly I want to thank you you
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might be could all these new live ones
