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Rev. Ken Micah Murdock and Rev. David Deerfeeder sit down and chat at Maui, Hawaii with Jason Schwartz and Airielle Pearson behind the Unity Church in November 2011
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Introduction and Guests’ Background
The program opens by introducing Reverend Ken Micah Murdock and Reverend David Deerfeeder as special guests. Both are dynamic spiritual leaders with diverse backgrounds. Ken is a former Franciscan monk and a Unity minister for 25 years, representing a metaphysical Christian spirituality that is non-denominational. David is a priest ordained within the Unity Church and a musician, blending spirituality and creative arts. Together, they have been partners in ministry and life for eight years, combining various spiritual traditions with creative expression - [02:18] Spirituality, Music, and Enneagram
David discusses his Lenape Indian heritage and the meaning of his name, “Deerfeeder,” which aligns with his mission to feed souls through music. He explains the Enneagram, an ancient personality system with nine types, as a tool for spiritual direction and understanding human differences. The Enneagram helps individuals recognize their soul’s path and encourages lightheartedness by validating different ways people experience life—through gut, heart, or head. David’s ministry focuses on offering grace and presence to people facing mental health challenges, emphasizing unconditional love and acceptance beyond societal labels. 
[06:28] Creative Process and Ministry Paths
Ken describes their complementary creative processes: David rapidly composes music inspired by daily topics, while Ken prays and crafts lessons thoughtfully, embodying service-oriented ministry. Ken’s spiritual journey began in Roman Catholicism, serving as an altar boy, feeling called to priesthood at 17 but eventually transitioning from strict Catholicism to a more inclusive spirituality through Unity Church. This shift was motivated by a desire to embrace all spiritual paths and support individuals on their unique journeys without exclusivity.- [14:53] Call to Ministry and Inclusivity
Ken clarifies his Catholic roots and ordination by independent Catholic and Orthodox bishops, emphasizing his commitment to an inclusive ministry welcoming all people as children of God. David’s ordination through Unity Church reflects their shared belief in many paths leading to one God. Their ministry embodies inclusivity, recognizing that everyone is always in the right spiritual place. They actively co-celebrate interfaith services, such as Yom Kippur with a local rabbi, illustrating their commitment to honoring diverse religious traditions and promoting unity. - [18:56] Interfaith Harmony and Personal Presence
Both Ken and David exude an open, loving presence that makes others feel comfortable and accepted. They embrace growth in wisdom, age, and grace—qualities that allow individuals to become comfortable in their own skin. The hosts highlight the importance of releasing self-imposed limitations and embracing one’s true spiritual identity. David encourages viewers to shed what holds them back and become fully themselves, aligning with their divine purpose. Their partnership is marked by a mutual sharing of creative insights and messages, reinforcing their collaborative ministry. [23:01] Musical Creativity and Collaboration
David shares that he regularly writes multiple new songs weekly, spanning genres from blues to sacred music, recently expanding into choral compositions. His creative process begins with receiving a divine idea, which he then develops into music that supports a vision or story. He emphasizes that ideas are universal and accessible to all, but bringing them into form requires collaboration with others, such as choirs or congregations, to fully realize their potential. This creative flow is integral to their spiritual work.- [25:41] Encounter with Sheila Hughes and Synchronicity
David recounts meeting opera singer Sheila Hughes at a local Walmart late at night after a meditation service. A brief interaction led to him composing a world premiere piece for her, demonstrating how openness and synchronicity bring creative opportunities. This story highlights their belief that being present and receptive allows spiritual and creative energy to manifest naturally, connecting people and talents in meaningful ways. 
[29:04] Unity Church Spirituality and Inclusiveness
The guests explain that Unity Church embraces all world religions, focusing on the one presence and power of God expressed differently across traditions. Unity does not teach doctrines of hell or damnation; instead, it promotes universal love and acceptance, which makes it easier to welcome diverse beliefs into their community. The church offers various spiritual practices such as Tai Chi, Qigong, Pranic healing, Reiki, yoga, and drumming circles, creating a rich, multi-faith environment where all are seen as expressions of God’s spirit.
[31:11] Franciscan Roots and Universal Love
David reflects on the Franciscan origin of his ministry, noting that Francis of Assisi’s experience with a Muslim leader revealed the universality of God’s love beyond religious boundaries. This interfaith encounter shaped Francis’s understanding that God’s essence is love, a belief echoed in both Ken and David’s ministries. Jesus is regarded as a master teacher who came to offer abundant life, and their message promotes joy, happiness, and love rather than fear or damnation.- [35:20] Experience in Maui and Community
The guests express their love for Maui, admiring its natural beauty and the warm, receptive people. They recognize Maui as a place where they feel aligned with the divine mind of God and the community’s spiritual openness. They acknowledge that while they are open to wherever God leads them, Maui’s energy resonates deeply with their mission of service, love, and spiritual growth. 
[38:32] Ideas as Divine Creation
Ken elaborates on the concept that all creation begins with an idea, likening it to architecture where a building starts as a vision before becoming physical form. Humans are divine ideas made in the image of God, endowed with faculties such as intelligence and will. Listening to the inner divine voice and acting upon those ideas is essential for manifesting spiritual purpose. This includes being open to unexpected directions, trusting that each person is exactly where they need to be for their growth.- [46:40] Affirmations and Positive Thinking
The guests discuss affirmations as powerful, positive, personal statements that help shape reality by focusing the mind on desired outcomes. They share examples of visual affirmations and recount a story illustrating the power of specific prayer and declaration in manifesting needs, such as receiving a car. Affirmations align one’s consciousness with divine potential, allowing individuals to claim abundance, joy, and goodness without guilt or limitation. - [54:05] Prosperity and Spiritual Abundance
David shares his journey from modest beginnings to living a prosperous life, emphasizing that prosperity is tied to consciousness and self-worth rather than greed. He rejects the notion that God glorifies pain and suffering, instead affirming that divine will is for human bliss and joy. Prosperity is expressed uniquely by each individual, according to their spiritual path, and is supported by an abundant, unlimited divine source accessible to all. 
[56:11] Influence of Ideas and Shared Wisdom
The hosts reflect on how ideas are recycled and reinterpreted over time, often adopted by various leaders and cultures. For example, the phrase “We are the change we’ve been waiting for,” originally from Buckminster Fuller, was popularized by Barack Obama. This illustrates the continuity and evolution of spiritual and motivational thought, emphasizing that new truths are often re-expressions of ancient wisdom.- [01:01:06] Reflection on Modern Church and Authenticity
David performs a lyrical reflection on his experience auditioning for a megachurch, noting the absence of a crucifix and the overemphasis on spectacle rather than spiritual presence. The song critiques churches that focus on appearances and technology instead of embodying the essence of Jesus’ teachings. It underscores the importance of genuine faith and community over external trappings. 
[01:03:11] Prayer and Spiritual Openness
A simple song titled “I am open to the power” is shared as an invocation of openness to the Spirit’s presence. This highlights the importance of centering oneself in love and grace, countering life’s busyness and distractions that distance people from their spiritual core. The guests affirm that loving God and loving oneself and neighbors constitute the highest spiritual calling.- [01:06:16] Remembering and Self-Affirmation
David discusses the power of “remembering” as a reassembling of self-awareness amidst life’s distractions. They recommend practical tools such as writing affirmations on Post-it notes and placing them strategically to reinforce positive self-beliefs daily. Recognizing small successes, like staying focused or completing tasks, supports building self-esteem and spiritual resilience. - [01:08:17] Overcoming Limiting Beliefs
Ken and David address the impact of early conditioning and societal messages that limit self-worth, such as gender biases preventing women from pursuing careers like law or medicine. They emphasize the importance of recognizing and releasing these old beliefs, cultivating self-appreciation, and holding firm to affirmations that align with spiritual truth. They highlight the role of supportive communities and spiritual teachings in reclaiming one’s power and potential. - [01:12:29] Love as the Core Spiritual Identity
Ken summarizes that love is the defining attribute they want to be remembered for, asserting that love attracts all else needed in life. They invoke the Buddhist phrase “Om Mani Padme Om” to symbolize seeing the divine jewel within every person, regardless of outward behavior. Cultivating unconditional love draws supportive people and circumstances, enabling spiritual and personal flourishing. - [01:16:03] Managing Negative Self-Talk
The guests share strategies for countering negative internal voices by consciously affirming positive truths. David gives a personal example of rejecting a self-limiting thought about forgetfulness and replacing it with affirmations of order and memory. They discuss the concept of multiple internal ‘voices’ shaped by past influences and encourage awareness and choice in nurturing empowering thoughts. - [01:19:12] Coaching and Positive Focus
Ken compares spiritual self-care to coaching in sports, where mistakes are acknowledged but quickly released to maintain confidence. They advise viewers to “shake off” negative comments and focus on truth and love. The Native American story of two wolves is cited to illustrate that the part of ourselves that grows is the one we feed—the loving wolf or the angry wolf. - [01:21:33] Ongoing Spiritual Work
They acknowledge that maintaining positive self-regard is a continual process requiring awareness and self-compassion. Negative judgments may still arise but must be recognized and evicted as unwelcome intruders. Loving oneself as one would a best friend is key to healing and spiritual growth. They emphasize the evolutionary nature of consciousness and encourage patience and persistence. - [01:26:00] Nurturing the Spirit and Community
The discussion turns to the importance of limiting exposure to negativity from others that reinforce harmful self-perceptions. Cultivating supportive relationships and spiritual practices replenishes the soul’s energy, enabling freedom and growth. A Hawaiian teacher’s advice to “throw out the old CDs” is used metaphorically to encourage releasing outdated limiting beliefs. - [01:27:20] Self-Care and Emotional Awareness
They highlight the significance of addressing basic needs—hunger, anger, loneliness, tiredness—to prevent negative emotions from overwhelming one’s spiritual wellbeing. Being a “love addict,” or living immersed in love, means nurturing oneself so love can naturally flow outward. The guests affirm the powerful loving energy they experienced in each other and the community. - [01:28:53] Choosing Love as Spiritual Expression
Ken and David share a mutual dedication to embodying love in action as their highest spiritual calling. They explain that the mind of God continuously creates through individuals who open themselves to divine ideas. Choosing love activates this creative process, and living from love creates tangible spiritual impact. The host expresses deep gratitude for the palpable love and spiritual presence the guests brought to the community. - [01:30:37] Energy Fields and Spiritual Choice
David explains that each person carries an energetic environment, or aura, that precedes and follows them. Choosing to emanate love creates a welcoming, positive field for others. While this is a conscious choice that may require support and encouragement, such as from spiritual communities, it is a powerful way to live and influence the world positively. - [01:32:41] Closing Reflections on Love and Presence
The guests express heartfelt appreciation for the time spent together and for the love shared with the community. They bless the viewers with recognition of their perfect, holy, and whole spiritual nature, encouraging them to live passionately and freely as divine expressions. David closes with a reminder that while physical bodies change, the heart and spirit have no limitations and can remain connected to places and people they love. - [01:35:01] Sharing Music and Resources
David invites viewers to find his music on iTunes and his website, offering free downloads. He shares a bluegrass-themed song titled “And Friends,” celebrating gratitude for life’s experiences and relationships. The song exemplifies their joyful approach to spirituality and community connection. - [01:36:37] Final Blessings and Mahalo
The show closes with expressions of aloha, blessings, and gratitude. The hosts and guests acknowledge the shared spiritual experience and encourage viewers to embrace their divine nature and live with love, joy, and grace.
This comprehensive summary follows the original flow and structure of the conversation, capturing the key themes of spirituality, inclusivity, creativity, self-worth, and love that permeated the discussion. The guests’ teachings emphasize the power of divine ideas, the importance of affirmations, the healing of limiting beliefs, and the universal presence of God expressed through many paths. Their ministry blends traditional Christian roots with metaphysical and interfaith perspectives, enriched by music and personal experience, offering a message of hope, acceptance, and joyful spiritual growth.
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We have very special guests with us today. This is Reverend Ken Micah Murdock and Reverend David Deerfeeder. Aloha. You’ll probably get to know him as Ken and David. I was at Unity Church this last week and I was just really, you warmed every cell of me. Both of you gentlemen were just so dynamic. You’re pastors, pastors, reverends? Yes, yes.
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Well, we’ve been called by a lot of things, but pastor is more of a southern term, maybe Midwest, but it fits. We’re pastors, we’re also ministers. David’s a priest. I am a former Franciscan monk, but now I’m a unity minister for the last 25 years. So it’s a different form of non-denominational metaphysical Christian spirituality, and so
01:25
We have been partners in ministry and life for eight years now. Wow. That brings together a whole lot of the forms of spirituality and religion as well as I think the creative energy of God that David has as a musician and I have as the voice of the mouth. Whatever I got in trouble with was always my mouth. You know, talking too much or too long or in the wrong places. Now I get paid for it. You cut right to the chase. You were
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Your message was very well received. I felt refreshed. We’ve seen a number of reverends coming by here over the last couple of years. We haven’t had a regular minister for a while. So we get to, you know, we’re like a sampler. We get a little sampler. It’s been really good.
02:18
and we’ve had all kinds of people, but you were just really terrific. And then David is a wonderful musician as well, and he played some music for us, and we all lit up, and we were very, very thrilled to hear what was going on. And give us a little bit of an idea about where you’re coming from, because I saw you had Enneagrams, and you were doing music, and you were talking about subjects that
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were really just straight ahead, you know, they were part of the mind in the creative process. And David uses those concepts and then writes his own music and so a lot of what you were hearing was off his own, I believe. Yes. My family has
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you know mixed roots but among those mixed roots are lenape indians and the the name deer feeder translates into feeder of souls so the belief that i have is whatever way we can feed souls is what my job is so the ways that i do that one way that’s
03:32
It’s by music, and that can be anything from ridiculous to the sublime, because that’s what life is. So the music just reflects what life is like. The Enneagram is an ancient way of understanding human personality. Envision’s personality has nine different basic types that we vacillate. We have a root type, and then we move around to a couple other different ones.
04:02
It’s a wonderful tool for spiritual direction, but it’s also a wonderful tool for understanding why everybody doesn’t look at life the same way. So, when I teach it, I teach it as a way of understanding yourself, understanding what you come here to do, because I believe the personality that you choose, no matter how you got it, nature or nurture, is a soul choice that has something to do with your path.
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But I also believe it’s there so you can just lighten up. Let people look at things differently. Some people go from the gut, some people go from the head, some people go from the heart. That’s all valid. So when I teach, I used to teach a class called Enneagram 101. But now I teach it as Enneagram 101 because I really believe it’s essential that we just got to…
04:56
Life is too important to take it so seriously all the time. It’s not a rehearsal. It’s just a real thing. We should be having fun. My ministry is not so much a pastoral ministry. It has that element to it.
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Not so much a pastoral ministry in terms of having a geographic heart, but the ministry that I feel called to is a ministry to offer presence and grace to people who are dealing with mental illnesses and emotional struggles.
05:28
The work that I do is more just to love people who are sometimes on the outside of society and love people that are working their way through schizophrenia or depression or DID, PTSD, any of the other little labels that we have for it. Know that they are still the living, loving presence of God and God is still living and lovingly present to them.
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so it’s kind of a wide range of stuff isn’t it from this goofiness to telling somebody that’s schizophrenic how beautiful they are but that’s part of what you are you’re a very um diverse and multi-talented person i think we all have that potential but that have that multi-dimensional being since we’re not only physical forms but we’re also spirits so you tap into this energy that comes toward the middle of the night you’re gonna have to write these creative
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uh lyrics and then write the music to it and and i’ve just given him a subject in the morning and he’ll have by the next day a complete finished song you know many times recorded so that he can give it to the musicians in various parts there is no way that i can do that you know i sit and pray and hope desperately for the right perfect idea to come so i can go and
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into some form of creative teaching lesson. But I have to work at it, where David has this constant flow of various creative and unusual ways of expressing God. Mine’s been clear. I have never varied much from it. It’s always been service-oriented. As an altar boy when I was little in the Roman Catholic Church,
07:17
And then from the little Roman Catholic church, crawling up the steps with the little black road that my mother tried herself with my brother and I in that picture as a child, I realized right away that I belonged in church somehow. And at 17, I did all the normal things every other girl does in high school. I had a beautiful girlfriend, played, danced, did all the, threw my books in the back seat, never studied and barely got through.
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And then got the call in my senior year, I came back up from those early days on the altar board, you know, time to go back to serving God.
07:56
And the only way that I knew was to follow the teachers who were teaching me at the time. They were Franciscans. And I had this love, this great love for St. Francis. There was this story that I had read, you know, Francis of Assisi. And the love of those who were rejected, those on the fringe, the ones that were the outsiders, those lacking in class, they didn’t have the support of the society.
08:24
And my heart really was moved by that. In fact, Julianne Lazarus, the associate director of the Unity Movement, Worldwide Movement, said yesterday on the phone, you really have a tendency to want to go and serve people and places and to be present when people need to come together and move on and grow. You need to be there to help them. And I’ve seen that in you for years, where other people
08:53
when I come into a finished product, I enjoy getting into it, working with the people to develop something new. And I did that when I went to Monastery. I was determined to go work in the missions. So it’s been a change of, a redirection to work with churches, but in many ways, they’re like a mission too. Because we all have our needs, every one of us. We come with our, every spiritual center I’ve ever been at, and every religious or spiritual community, like us, we come with all the
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The process of growth, to go from the process of knowing that you’re capable as a spiritual being of being anything, and then all the inner work that has to go on in order to do that, and then the action that’s required. Like Buddha said, an idea, a divine idea that we get, and we all have good ideas, when they come up,
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And that was what was happening, this idea in me of becoming a servant for God. It doesn’t have any real meaning until we give it action. So I was right away ready. So I just said, fine. In three months, I had filled out the paperwork, didn’t tell my parents. And with a priest’s encouragement at school, filled it out, submitted, was accepted. The week before graduation, I had to tell my girlfriend, I’m not going to college. I’m going to a monastery.
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And that was not, my mother was not thrilled. So even though they were very happy in the sense that they now had a potential priest up, they were not happy that I’d be gone and I wouldn’t be bringing forth the grandbabies to bring them home.
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I went off to a monastery at 17 and never looked back. I left the monastery in my mid-20s because it was no longer my path. I knew that. My heart just knew it. For me, it had to be more inclusive and less exclusive. There was, for me, one path. There were many paths. And interestingly, I’m in a relationship with a Catholic priest.
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It doesn’t surprise me because there’s love and there’s good in every world religion. That just was not like that. And I needed something that would give me the ability to embrace everyone. And especially those people who have a need to grow spiritually and a need to be supported in the process of living on this earth in a really open way.
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and inclusive place. So one day, after trying yoga and trying a few things after I left the monastery, I was teaching in the inner city. You can’t preach or teach, so I had to support myself. And I fell in love with teaching, but it wasn’t the end that I was looking for. So yoga gave me
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the peace that I was seeking through meditation and the yoking of the body and mind and so I became a yogi. And a lady I met there said, you have to go to this place because you have a Jesus thing going on. So she picked up on our conversations that I was still Christian but there was no Christianity in that sense in my Buddhist or Hindu path at that time.
11:57
She invited me to a Unity Church, and I ended up in the back seat with tears in my eyes finding out that there were other renegades out there like me who were thinking freely, who were aware that they had a direct connection with the mind of God, and they weren’t necessarily locked into a creed or a code, but they believed that they were one with this presence and mind of God and would be guided if they were open. And they were practicing meditation, and they were still Christian, and I
12:27
I was amazed to all of a sudden hear the words of Jesus of the Judeo-Christian Bible being taught in a way that it made sense. You know, be transformed by the changing of your mind. It is not I but the God within me that does the work. So all of a sudden when I heard those words, the God within me never made sense until I heard that and realized that it was the divine mind.
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of God with which we’re one. Here within there is always ideating new ideas through us and we give them forward. So that to me just sort of one lesson after the next lesson. As you said I sat there and I was moved and I would be in tears many times and sitting in the back row as far as I could go. So I always have compassion for those new people. So since then the path has been clear. I never left Unity.
13:16
I raised my sons in that, and after the parting of our ways, the lady who became my wife for a lifetime and the mother of the kids, I found that my soul was going to express in a different way. And my physical form in this particular lifetime was going through a metamorphosis with lots of prayer and counseling. And I needed to be in a relationship with a healthy man, and that’s who I found.
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by prayer and by openness and willingness to follow the truth that was within me. I think in every lifetime, you’re given certain setups for your soul’s growth. And you have the opportunity to choose the people that will encourage that, to develop whatever it is that your soul is developing at that time. For me, I needed to develop integrity. I needed to develop faith, which was strong, and a commitment to my own worth and value.
14:11
So that meant I had to step out at 45 and become completely open and transparent in the world with this kid. And Unity supported me with that. Unity said, welcome home. That’s why now when I go around places, I oftentimes would say that I’m home. And people say, well, why are you here? Well, I wanted to come back home. Because home is a global community now.
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There are no exceptions. There’s no one… There’s no step short of immunity. Everybody is seen as the spirit now. So that was my… That’s where I am at this point. One of the things you talked about was…
14:53
that sense of call just as a point of clarification for our roman catholic viewers i see you in the background i started out feeling called to become a roman catholic priest i was engaged to be married i broke it off to explore that call and several times during my life that call
15:17
would show up because I grew up in a Roman Catholic family and Roman Catholic culture. And so that call remained authentic. I knew what the end result was but I didn’t know what the how was because the how is going to be God’s work.
15:41
Many years later I wound up being ordained by an old Catholic bishop and an American Orthodox Catholic bishop. And those are two groups that broke away from Rome but retained the rhythm of the liturgy and much of the beauty of Catholic theology that I truly loved.
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and yet we’re able to offer it in an inclusive way so unfortunately there’s some sad divisions that still exist within the great body catholic so the way that the only way that i could feel comfortable serving as a priest was to be able to do it somewhere where there was an inclusive
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invitation that all people with children of God, all people are called to this table. So that’s the little caveat that I throw in here for the comfort of our Roman Catholic viewers. I’m a great reference for the Roman Catholic Church. In many ways I’m still a priest and still a monk.
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I’ve never left that. It was just a particular group of consciousness, perhaps the doctrine, that I no longer needed to be, in my sense, restricted to. But it didn’t mean that everyone else wasn’t in the right place. Everyone is where they need to be. And that’s what the beauty of community was for me.
17:06
David was ordained in the Unity Church by the Paschal bishops. So he was ordained as a priest in the Unity Church, the current one I’m serving. So for me that’s perfect because Unity embraces all the global religions in the sense that there are many paths to the one God. And we never tell people they’re in the wrong place. In fact, they’re always in the right place.
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And by right of consciousness, you could be nowhere else but right where you are. So you’re always perfect where you are. So I think it’s wonderful. I was so pleased that the whole church was packed with unitics, literally people who were bracing and willing to love David as a member of the Unity Church as well as being a Catholic priest. So it’s a whole new world. We have a very mixed group here, as you probably have seen.
18:00
I’m Jewish. We’ve got all kinds of assortment of everything. We have a Jewish rabbi who meets at our church almost weekly now and fills in for me, Rabbi Steve Mayer. And so we took part in the co-celebration for Wednesday. Was that service the last one we did with him? The last midweek holy service that you had, your holiday? Yom Kippur. Yom Kippur.
18:28
We celebrated together, so it was great to have the communities enjoy it together and share the food and got to break the bread and enjoy all of your traditions as well as our own. If you think that there is only one God and that God expresses equally in everyone, then the particular path that Joe’s is always right. It’s a beautiful one, and to celebrate our oneness and honor our diversity, that seems to be the key to peace and to
18:56
What I really like, especially about you gentlemen, you’re comfortable in who you are. You’re fully present and you have no edges. You’re really very smooth and open and inclusive.
19:15
Just in the way you act and are. Thank you. And very, very comforting. Very comforting. That’s wonderful. I think it’s a gift of, you know, it says in scripture that Jesus grew in wisdom, age, and grace. And that seems like kind of a toss-out sentence, you know. It’s kind of like, so Jesus got older, let’s hurry and advance the story along. But that isn’t what they’re saying there. They’re saying that we have these gifts.
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that each of us can grow in wisdom, each of us can grow in age, each of us can grow in grace. And that’s not exclusive. That’s God calling on the phone right now. So in growing in wisdom, age, and grace, we have an opportunity to become comfortable in our own skin. And for me, that was a very challenging path.
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When Ken was talking about recognizing a call earlier, it struck me that I’m sure there are people that are watching this that have an idea of who they are.
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and have an idea of what they would like to do, but they have some things that are holding them back. And by the power vested in me, by being on this side of the screen, I hereby release you of the things that hold you back. So please allow yourself to become that beautiful, blossoming child of God that you already are. I had a shaman ancestor who said to me once,
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One day, God said, I feel like singing, and that was the day you were born. So, all of us are some expression of God’s desire to do something. Obviously, one day God said he felt like talking, and that was the day you were born, because you became a preacher and a teacher. One day God said, I feel like hosting a TV show, and that was the day that Jason was born. So,
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If people would just listen to what God was saying on that day, and that statement is still imprinted in their soul and as their soul, that step out in freedom and God will find a way. So that’s the, we’ve paid our dues to love who we are.
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And we paid our dues to understand that everything that happens is a gift. So what our responsibility is, with great power comes great responsibility, is to offer that same freedom to other people. Which is to say, understand who you are, and now let’s get on with being the gift. And once you release and let go of that, you can also accept the gifts that other people haven’t offered. So in our relationship…
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I’ll say, okay, sit down and listen to this song and share whatever I’ve just written to Ken. Which is always a pleasure. It’s beautiful. And then, as we did this morning, we sat over breakfast and Ken was sharing with me the message that he feels is coming through him for this Sunday’s service. So I get a chance to sit and listen to what he has to say and then we kind of fold that into ourselves.
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together become more than the sum of our parts. Are you writing new material each time? Do you find yourself constantly creating? I do create a lot of material and now I probably write
23:01
two or three songs a week there are other times i’ve written more sometimes i get into a flurio but i also have started creating some choral pieces and so it’s kind of fun to to write in a different to write in a different style because you know i’ve written blues and bluegrass and country and folk and rap and you know sacred music but
23:27
It’s only within the last year that I really sat down and began writing choral pieces. Just did a piece that I wrote for a young woman I met who was beautiful, beautiful, poised,
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opera singer named Sheila Hughes. So we did a world premiere of that song a couple of weeks ago. The creative process is so wonderful because it starts out with a thought, and then that thought becomes a little string. You know, when I write, I tend to write as though it were a soundtrack for whatever’s happening. So I’m writing behind the vision that I see to be clear on the story that I’m telling.
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So I wrote this song for Shayla, which is just about following your dream. It was one of the songs I did here last Sunday.
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So my part in the creative process is to be open and to receive the idea that’s already there. When I was a little kid, I thought, man, somebody should take Beethoven and speed it up. And about seven years later, a fifth of Beethoven was released for people to take a Beethoven’s fifth and turn it into a disco song. So they took the idea, right? The ideas are always there. They’re like, you know, fruit on the tree. You just got to reach up and grab it.
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And maybe you eat it and produce it, or maybe you pass that fruit along to someone else, or maybe someone else grabs the same one. Ideas are not exclusive. But as a songwriter, I have those times when I say, OK, this is the idea I’m supposed to work with. And then go into the creative process. But I can’t finish that process
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without all these other people joining in on it, whether it’s a congregation hearing it, or a congregation singing it, or a choir singing it, or Shayla doing the lead vocal. And everything that you brought to that time too, because you have a lifetime of study and a lifetime of training, so it’s not like it just comes through you without any preparation. You know you had to prepare the way to be able to do the technical work that was required,
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to broadcast this. So somewhere along the line, we take all these skills and we bring them together and then in you, one day they start to just blossom and the beauty comes through. Interesting that Shayla,
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Tell them how Sheila came into your life because that’s the other side of this creative energy that also becomes the pastor and becomes the priest. The town we live in is a kind of a bedroom community of San Francisco and
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A lot of the streets get rolled up at night. So we have a Wednesday night meditation service, and afterwards we have some fellowship. We don’t get out of the church till 9, 9.30, sometimes 10 o’clock at night by the time we’re locked up.
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So I needed some milk and bread when I went to our local Walmart store. There was a cashier there. I had seen her a couple of times when I’d been in late. And so she said, made some comment about it. What are you doing out so late?
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I said, well, I just finished work. What do you do? I’m a music director at a community church. Oh, really? I’m a singer. And so that little moment of openness and conversation led to creating this song for her to sing. Because when I went to the, you know, there was a YouTube video of Shayla singing with the Solano singers. And so, through the mother…
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Miracle of Technology, I could audition her that night, you know, just like, okay, you’re so honored, you’re on my computer, and wow, girl, you’ve got some pipes, you know? And I heard her at the counter just a few days before, and I don’t know if I said anything to her, but she brought a smile, beautiful in a way, and tall, and sort of like Dionne Warwick. She just looked absolutely beautiful.
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And she was doing her little calculations, a big smile, and singing while she was waiting on the people. And I thought, there’s something different. And her voice was beautiful and angelic. Then he came in, of course, picked up on that a few days later. I don’t know if it’s exactly the same as seeing a starlet in a sweater at the drugstore and turning her into a movie queen. Well, kind of, she got a star. The thing is, we’ve got so many opportunities
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slip right by we don’t you know if i go somewhere and i see a person as their job then i’m going to entirely miss that encounter and instead she was a person who that job allowed us to interact then i found this incredible talented sweet young woman
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So, it’s a real joy. So the synchronicities start occurring once you get into the flow, and you know when you’re not in the flow. We talk about that, like, my life just isn’t in the flow. I know there were many times like that for me also, but then when you’re in that flow, and obviously you were, and I was catching it with the music beforehand, she certainly was, and she was just picked up, and you couldn’t miss the connection. You had to offer her something to do with that voice.
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You know, we believe that there is one presence and one power, one god, goddess, whatever nature or name that we would call it. And people see it in many different ways and worship their god in different ways and different traditions. I love the fact that in Unity, for me,
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And it’s not just about unity. We don’t really have any new truth, unfortunately. I wish it would be easier to sell if we did. We don’t have hell and we don’t have damnation, so unfortunately we don’t teach a theology that I say unfortunately because it would be easier, I think, sometimes to fill pews if you could threaten hell. But since we don’t believe there’s an outside presence of a devil and we don’t believe there’s an outside burning pit where we’re going to burn,
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It makes it easy for us to embrace everyone and every world religion and to bring everyone into our community because we see one presence and one power in everyone expressing in different ways. Never denying that others might have that belief system or theology. It works for them. But for us, we just don’t have specific theology that persons must believe. And that really worked for me.
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So we have Tai Chi and Qigong and the Buddhists teach there. A Muslim lady does a beautiful healing. Pranic healing. Pranic healing. And the Swedish, one of the most spiritual, one of the most spiritual souls I’ve ever met. She was a living angel. Like we are all, you know. But then we have, what else? Yoga, of course yoga.
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And all the Reiki and all the different forms, the drumming circle once a month. So when I see all those different ways to express spirituality, then find myself at home. It’s like comforting because my early thought that whatever God is, this God, it must be everywhere present.
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And I don’t want to define for God where God is and God is not. If God has ever been present, then everybody’s the spirit of God, regardless of how they appear or what religious belief system or what philosophies or theologies or ideologies that they express. So that to me was a path that’s easy to follow. That’s what turned me on and made me work.
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What I continue to do in hopes to break other people. Well, you know, it’s interesting. You came from, to me, you came from Franciscan, which I think of as a very closed, very, very focused doctrine. And yet, you’ve broken out into the other extreme, which is an inclusive club.
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it is just the opposite isn’t it in a sense that and yet it’s not because you know catholic in its essence means universal it means one and so um there’s really there’s more similarity than there is difference between a lot of our um was father damien over here on molokai he received francisco i’m not sure i’m really not sure it would stand to reason because that’s
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Where most of our Franciscans went was to serve the poor and to work with those who were not being treated properly or worked with by other people. Francis wanted to, the early goal in Francis’ life was to become a crusader.
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And it wasn’t, part of it was his love for the church, but a lot of it was he wanted the adventure of being a knight. You know, he wanted to be a soldier and a warrior and have that adventure. And there were several times in his life where he went to join the Crusades and events would turn around things so that he wasn’t able to go. Eventually, Francis got to go, made it to, I believe it was in Egypt, and he met
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He met a Muslim leader, spent time with him, and became extremely disillusioned about his own crusading dream, because he found that this was a man of integrity and a man of love, and a man who longed to serve God. It was an eye-opening experience for Francis that there was a universal God,
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that Muslim man’s God was no different from Francis’ God. They were perhaps known by different names, perhaps worshipped in some different ways, but it was the same God and that God is love. So there are several events that you hear about in Francis’ life when he got down off his horse and kissed a leopard so that he could overcome his fear when he
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made the agreement with the wolf who was attacking the town that they would give food for the wolf and the wolf would not eat their children anymore. There are some legends about Francis that are there. They all come down to the same thing that Ken is talking about and that’s that we share a belief that God is love.
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for me for in unity jesus is seen as a master teacher in my life jesus is seen as a master in both cases what he says is the same thing that he’s come to give life to give it abundantly that when we tap into love of god that’s what we receive and so both of us are putting out a pretty frightening message that we don’t threaten damnation we threaten happiness and we threaten joy
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we threaten love, a lot of us don’t get messages where that’s okay, where we can actually feel good about being loved, feel good about being happy, feel good about having joy. So it’s really, it’s funny how that’s such a radical message. Well, it really comes out very clearly. I mean, you really lit up this group. I mean, they didn’t know what to expect. I heard nothing but just…
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raves of positivity. Thank you. I really appreciate hearing that. And I felt it. That’s why I said, let’s get these guys on television and share with the people in the house. Give us your messages.
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year with Maui. We fell in love with Maui, by the way. It only takes a day, I’m sure, driving off the airport to smell the air and look around. We spent days going down the Hana Pass. The road to Hana. And a bunch of places that we still are not sure how to pronounce respectfully. And yet, immediately fell in love with it.
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this community and the community. You both said almost simultaneously the people in Maui are warm and loving and receptive. That’s a beautiful way to be into Aloha. It’s natural for here. I think we’d like to keep you here. You know, God’s really one mind and God’s one mind. So we’re just hoping, we were saying that to sort of whatever, wherever God wants us to be is where we’re
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We know that because we’re one with the mind of God. Not just us, but you are, and everyone is. So the message should become very clear for everyone. And in three terms, the fact that we live a life with clarity, focus, ease, and grace. And when those things come in line, clarity, focus, ease, and grace, it’s just an easy flow into the manifestation of the divine idea. So if we’re one with the mind of God, and everyone is, then
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That mind of God that is one with us is always giving us guidance and direction. It isn’t God that’s turned away, it’s us. So this week I’m just opening my mind and saying whatever ideas I had about coming, which really weren’t to come and to share and to just love the community and support you, very quickly we’re opening to a different vision.
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And so we have to just stay open and receptive to that. But would we like to come back to Maui? Of course, Maui is absolutely beautiful and the people here are wonderful. The idea of that whole mind of God being everywhere present to everyone, that there is no one who doesn’t know what to do, doesn’t know where to be, that message is universal. Everyone has times when they don’t know the guidance.
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You know, we’d love to be here, we’d love to be elsewhere, we’d love to be everywhere, but where am I to be? And that is one of my affirmations, you know. I know where to go and I’m led quietly and gently and easily with grace and ease and order. And so I believe that that same mind is guiding and directing us always. And so we’re just waiting for guidance and direction and for the community to be guided and directed as to what they need to do for their highest good and their best.
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But would we be here? Of course we’d be here. Always in spirit. And time tells us what happens with where we end up in form. So being one with the mind of God, that means that we’re also one with each other. And there’s no absence of that God. And that intelligence is always working through us. The creative juices were flowing. This morning I woke up and I had decided to take direction from the
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the hills and from the beaches and let a whole new idea of a whole new vision for a lesson on Sunday come up in. So I sat down and I thought, I need a wonderful idea. And because we do pray, all of us in our own way, and we’re one with that mind of God, the idea came to me to talk about an idea. And that was sort of a flip on the answer from this inner voice.
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So I pondered that and did a little research on ideas, and I thought, internal research, that’s the key, that we are divine ideas of God, made in the image and likeness of God in the Old Testament. We read that, that we’re made with all the faculties and parts of God. So we have divine understanding and divine will and divine intelligence and power and strength. And when that idea hit me, it was like, oh, it opened up a whole…
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panorama of other supportive ideas, and they start to float. So I won’t jump ahead and tell the whole lesson. We only have a short time. But the truth is that the idea is the way we live. Every idea that comes to us is the mind of God that we’re creating. And so we need to be open and find quiet moments to sit as we are today and listen and embrace to this inner voice.
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Let it flow. We sometimes are guided in ways that we would have never thought would have been the next step, the next way to go. I don’t know about yourself, but many of us are living where we never thought that we would be, and yet we couldn’t be anyplace else but where we are right now. Because it’s a process of when we’re open to many things, we just hear, we listen, and we allow it to take form according to our understanding and
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And then we act on that. And so like Jesus said, we transform an idea. And Buddha said, the idea alone is not worth, it’s not going to bring any good into our life unless we give it action. So we take action. And so sometimes in that course, we need redirection, you know, to go where we need to go. And that happens to me often. But we have to step forward. We have to listen and take action. So I’m grateful you called us to be on.
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Oh, I’m just really appreciating it. Even now, it’s just like a lotus that’s been unfolding, unfolding, unfolding. You know these, Kim was saying that everything begins with an idea, and one of my favorite expressions of that is that we’re sitting on a patio outside a building,
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that began as an idea in some architect’s mind. And that idea in the architect’s mind perhaps began as an idea in the original building owner’s mind. I’d like to have a house here. I’d like it to look somewhat like this. There’s my idea. Then the architect takes that idea, gives form to it, and then creates the substance for it. And then we wind up here. So in the same way, we have these divine ideas
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the mind of God, the heart of God, and there are these ideas expressed in it that are ours to take and to provide the form to. Just as the person who originally built this building said, here’s the money to build the building, then God says, essentially, here’s the grace, here’s the substance, here’s the direction, you know, whatever those things are, we need to build that idea.
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Sometimes we have to look past something to see it clearly. I think Karl Rahner, the theologian, was talking about this, like we’re sitting in these chairs.
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These chairs began as an idea probably somewhere back, you know, some caveman sat on a rock and said, this is more comfortable than ground, so the idea of a chair was formed, you know, and then it was like, hmm, the rock with the scoop in it fits my bottom better, and so the idea of forming a chair, you know, to be ergonomic, perhaps ergonomics goes back many millions of years. But the thing is, if I took this chair and I held it up right against the camera lens,
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Nobody would know what it was because they’d only be seeing this immediate little piece of it. But if I bring it back here so they can see what’s around it, behind it, and beyond it, then they can determine what the chair is. They can understand that idea of chair. Similarly with the ideas that we have, sometimes we have to look beyond them in order to see how they really shape. So it’s an important thing. There are places I’ve been on Earth that excite me.
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Maui is one of the places that excites me. It’s just a, man, this place is wonderful. So, but I stood atop the inner peak of the Alps and that was pretty darn beautiful. And Ken Micah and I preached and sang in Key West and the group that brought us down there took us out for a sunset cruise on a Cadmaran. Yeah, it was pretty darn beautiful.
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I had the most amazing hot throat sundae in a little Italian sidewalk cafe in the city. Ah, and the fish and chips in Wales, and then the English cobblestone in the little courtyard that I walked up to find the perfectly right place to have fish.
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and the Irish countryside stopping at a roadside pub. So there seems to be that same spirit that expresses, if you look for it, if you know that God is everywhere present. And you know, it’s interesting, that concept is inclusive. Right after the 9-11 experience, unfortunately, I didn’t know what to do. Many of us were stunned, but I thought we have to do something. And so I called my friend the rabbi, I called my friend the imam.
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that was a priest, that was a friend, and we celebrated one service. And it was the first time in my ministry that I had consciously done that and they were willing to come and able to come. And we all decided there would be one subject and we looked our own references for it. And I let them pick a subject and they said, God is one.
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Because there it was, God is one, and each of those were religions. And that’s the truth, the basic truth, the premise upon which everything that I teach and believe is based, that one presence and one power is everywhere, wholly present. And it’s formed. David was talking about the energy of the substance that’s formed, this love of God, that unconditional grace that is there. And we all speak about it in every world.
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religion, that grace is responsive to our thinking. You know, we’re told by Jesus, this master teacher, to ask and seek and not be given to you, so the ideas come. And then the form that we hold for that idea, I mean an idea of where to be. As you were saying before, where should we be at the ministry? That idea is
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formed according to our consciousness, but the energy, the substance, we call it, this substance upon which all is built is God’s divine mind. So this energy is there forming so that you’re the energy of God, and you’re the energy of God. You’re the unlimited field of infinite potential that’s formed according to the focus of our mind. So that we work in this creative process with this mind of God. There not being an absence of it, even though it may appear to be true for us, we’re always doing it.
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We’re creating constantly, consciously or subconsciously. And unfortunately, most of our life is spent creating out of the subconscious. Not you and not I, but the rest of us. I’ve heard it happens. So why don’t we talk for a moment about that. We mentioned affirmations.
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some people think that affirmations are just something that’s new agey or something that comes out of these new thought churches that that began around the turn of the 1900s right and affirmation is simply a statement that’s positive personal and powerful and so if you want to see something happen in your life you begin to form an affirmation about that
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Now, sometimes we do it with pictures. So, you know, we’ll take a sheet and put some pictures and maybe some verbiage on there that stir up in us excitement about the idea. So, I’m in Maui driving on the Hana Road being overwhelmed by the beauty would be an affirmation. I may be sitting in Pittsburgh.
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saying that affirmation. Or in Vacaville with the sand from Maui on my desk in a nice little container tied by a keychain that said Hawaii. And that was my vision with a picture of Maui and a picture of myself. Go ahead, David. We use whatever tools we can to make this idea alive. And there are people who will say, that’s just silliness.
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But, yeah, like it’ll create your own world. It’s not so bad. And it is something that Jesus did. Jesus spoke in affirmations. And Jesus was very powerful, very present, and very personal. I’ve come that you might have life and have it abundantly. What does that tell me my life is supposed to look like? And so, we… There may be folks who are…
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so locked into the fact that somebody somewhere along the line told them you don’t deserve that you’re not good enough you come on who are you trying to fool we know who you are well jesus said a prophet has never accepted it was a hometown so there’s going to be people who are going to be naysayers
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they could be our teachers but they won’t necessarily be our supporters so we need to understand somebody’s going to say take them as a teacher what are they what are they here to teach me about something in me that i need to further develop so that i don’t believe what they’re saying or get clear clarity they give you clarity interaction help you develop strength and compassion and understanding and the ability to see that there are many ways to look at anything
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and understand that and accept it. I knew a Pentecostal minister. Back in the early 70s, I sang as a part of a trio. We had a Baptist, I was Catholic, and then we had a woman who was in a, I guess you’d call her an evangelical these days.
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And so one or the other of us could get us into basically any kind of church because we kind of represented the three different major brands of Christianity at the time. So this was the time that in the mainland, I don’t know how it was out here in this paradise, but in the mainland it was a time known as the Jesus music and the Jesus movement.
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So we went around all these different churches and sang Jesus music. We were young and enthusiastic. One of the favorite places we went to was this tiny little storefront Pentecostal church, which was way out of the experience of the last three of us.
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The minister would dance on the altar rail, you know, somebody would say something in tongues and somebody else would interpret it, you know. It was just this wild time for a Baptist and an evangelical, and certainly for a Roman Catholic. But we came to really love this little congregation. It was one of our favorite stops because these people were just on fire for love.
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So one night I said I needed a car. We went to the minister’s house afterwards. This was in the south. I lived 31 years in Florida. So we go to the minister’s house afterwards and have grits and bacon and Oreos. The Oreos were on the side, not in the grits and bacon. I happened to say, I need a car. And he said, what kind of car do you need? And I said, just a car. He goes, have you told God? And I said, God knows I need a car. He said, have you told God what car you want? This was a radical idea for me.
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Because, first of all, I had a lot of, oh, I’m not worthy, you know, kind of stuff to me. So, I didn’t want to appear greedy. Because, you know, this was kind of putting wheels to my, putting feet to my face, as people say. So, I said, I want to 60…
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to Falcon. This was in 1975 or something. I figured that was reasonable. You know, I just want a used car. God doesn’t have to give me a Lamborghini or anything, you know. And he said, what color do you want? I said, I don’t care, beige. He said, what kind of transmission do you want? I said, a manual. So we went through this whole very specific list. It was like, you know,
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He was a car salesman trying to make sure he was going to get me and one I couldn’t refuse. And then he said, okay, we named it, let’s claim it. So we sat and we agreed in prayer that this car was my car. So I went home that night. The next day, I got a call from him.
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And he said, I have a woman in my congregation who believes God wants her to give her car away so that she can receive a new one. Because they believed in seed faith and she wanted a better car, so she was going to seed that by giving away the one she had.
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And he said, the car that she has is a 1962 Falcon. It’s beige, but it has an automatic transmission. Is that all right? She wants to give it away for free. So, I said, yeah, that’s all right. So, what you want, I mean, dream big. I’ve learned to dream a lot bigger here in Maui now. Mine was a Mercedes SL Black.
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you know, at least 350, but a 560 would be alright. I had to get the natural color top, and it took a few years, but that’s what I drive now. My whole purpose was not to be necessarily affluent, just for the sense of material gain, but to prove to my little self that this one mind doesn’t tell you what you have to have. It just asks, what would you like me to do for you? What would you like me to create for you? So that
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We’re free to create whether we drive one vehicle or another. God really doesn’t care what the vehicle is. I think God really appreciates the fact that I drive a convertible and Mercedes because God is good. God is everywhere present and all-powerful. I cannot take anything away from anyone else by being affluent.
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Because we’re all one with the mind of God. So we have one consciousness to draw from, and God’s the source. That’s an infinite, unlimited source. So there’s no lack. There can’t be any lack.
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If God is the source, it’s a field of infinite possibilities, a reservoir of absolute good from which we can draw at any time. And that field is open to everyone, no matter who they are, because we’re all spirit having a human experience. So one with that mind of God is an individualized expression of spirit.
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then we each have the same direct capacity to prosper. And we prosper according to our consciousness. For me, driving in that vehicle, it isn’t a vehicle. It’s the sense of, I came from a very lower middle class environment.
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Lovely people, wonderful people, lots of challenges coming out of the depression. And so, for like many of us, our preconditioning would have limited us to living in the same lifestyle, repeating the same thing. And I just didn’t want to sit around at the kitchen table having conversations every week about how can we survive. Not that I haven’t done that, but…
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I decided that my life should be different than that, that God wasn’t glorified by pain and suffering. God isn’t glorified by that, doesn’t seek for us. In fact, Joseph Campbell says that the power of the myth that in every world religion, God’s pleasure, God wants for us bliss. And I love that term. So that whatever way we define bliss, for me it’s a simple Zen home environment with love and
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a wonderful work that I can do. Whatever that work is, where it self-actualizes me, it gives me joy, and also serves the universe. In the course of that, I receive what I need to be sufficient. And so, I define it simply, a Zen lifestyle, simple life, with the person I love, and loving people, and giving. For others, it might be totally different. You know, and yet, each one is correct. Well, you know, I can go on like this, and make it easy
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it really feels like I’m not even interviewing you guys it’s great I just wanted to mention I’m going to do a little magic trick here and bring Arielle in because I know that she would like to be here with you guys I’d love to meet Arielle on Sunday it was funny when you mentioned the thing about we are the change we’ve been waiting for and I who said that and you said I mentioned Buckminster Fuller when I went home I looked it up
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It was book Mr. Ford. I thought how interesting that Barack Obama lifted it, made it his own. Remember when I said there are no new ideas? We literally take the ideas from here and there after once or twice of quoting. We no longer remember even where it came from. So you knew. I just simply saw that in his
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inaugural address. We are the change. I’m going to do a quick switch and put it on the tape here because I think that this is going to be a two-part show. You guys are terrific. I am majorly impressed and I hope that the way that God’s looking at you from here will become part of what’s going on.
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Well, aloha, we did that magic switch that we’ve done before. You’ve probably seen it. We even switched David and we switched Ken. It’s magic. Yeah, it’s all magic. Television is wonderful. There’s a lot of room in here. Well, you know, here we are at our Unity Church, and we thought we were going to have you out in the green and have flowers behind them. And so…
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It’s raining, so we’ve got a little ducky weather going on. So we’re here together, but we’re still here at Unity, and that’s where we met these two wonderful gentlemen. Now, I want to tell you, you are all declaring religion. I’m a lovatic. I like that. Yeah, I’m a lovatic.
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I totally believe in love. And that’s what I was so attracted to, to the two of you. You just ooze. They just ooze. It’s love. It’s really, really wonderful. Thank you so much. I appreciate who you are. And I appreciate your beautiful hearts. And I really enjoyed hearing about you.
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That was wonderful. Thank you very much for sharing. So I want to tell you that this beautiful god right here
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He rocked the church on Sunday. They were jumping in the air. They were jumping. They were singing. They were singing. And I thought, well, you know, we do a lot of rocking music in this church. You have a great music ministry in this church. We do. We are truly blessed. We are truly blessed with a great music ministry. Kurt and Carl and Ken. Kurt and Ken. And Bonnie. And Katina. And Katina and the choir. And we have a great time together.
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But I have to say that I don’t think I’ve ever seen it rock quite the way it did on Sunday afternoon. He certainly did. It was pretty incredible. So what I would love to do, when he arrived for this interview, I said, David, where is your instrument? No instrument. Well, but he has the most important instrument sitting right here.
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So if you could perhaps grace us with what you would enjoy to share with the beautiful community of people here on Maui. Sure. In fact, there’s two tiny little songs. Okay. So the first one, it was the first one that came to mind. I talked about being 18 years old and 19 years old and doing this Jesus music circuit, you know. And of course…
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Now I appreciate the fact that I have certain gifts and talents and I appreciate the fact that those are there to share and to be an invitation. But at that time, I didn’t quite get that picture. I’m afraid there was a lot more ego involved in it.
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In fact, when I came out here, I was talking to my daughter and she said, what are you going to be doing in Maui? And I said, well, there’s a church we’re going to serve. We want to come out and just provide our services to them and bless them. And she goes, oh, how you suffer for the Lord. Something’s got to do with it.
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Poor you, you had to come to paradise, oh dear. But you know, we just keep growing. Thank you God. Yes, thank you God. So there I was, I was 18 years old, and there was a megachurch, it was one of the early megachurches, and we wanted to get in that church and sing, and that was arriving.
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It was kind of like the disciples saying, who gets to sit on your right? Who gets to sit on your left? They thought that was what it was all about. So I went in to try to arrange an audition for this church. And they had a television studio and they had this amazing stage and everything. And of course now I own my Catholicism, I have my crucifix.
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this is a little song that came out of that adventure okay i walked into the church and i saw microphones galore two pianos an orchestra pit deep pile carpeting on the floor when it came to singing his name they were wired for sound but when i looked for a crucifix there wasn’t one to be found
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They’ve lost the whole idea. I thought they’d really lost it all. Jesus will not be impressed by two pianos and a hollow hall. The acoustics were quite good and my thoughts echoed a time or two. Jesus, are you here? I said. He said, I thought I came with you. I’m not a god of wood or steel, so don’t expect to see one. Most folks want a friendly church, but they refuse to be one. So if you find yourself in a place where I don’t appear to be, remember I walked in with you. What’d you do with me?
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Thank you. There’s a little companion song, I guess, from over the years, and it’s a very simple thing. I was blessed to work with Reverend Robin Ferguson for a number of years. She and I wrote some pieces together. She would say, here’s the idea, similar to what I’ve done with Ken Micah for eight years. Here’s the idea I have. Can you make it a song? And so…
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This is a song that we use as an introduction to our prayer time. And it’s a very simple song, but it just goes… I am open to the power. I am open…
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To the power, I am open to the powerful presence of Spirit in my life.
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You could say that and add I’m open to the love, I’m open to passing grace, but it’s important now and then that we do have something that calms us down and lets us get in touch with love. We hurry past love way too much. Oh, I totally agree. I totally agree. And that’s what we’re here for, as far as I’m concerned. What else? Everything else is. Exactly. We have our journeys. And that’s what the Master said.
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The Master never said anything about follow all the rules of any particular faith. He simply said the grace of these is to love God. That’s the sort of presence that expresses in everything, all of nature, the beauty of the mountains, the wonderful tropical jungles of Maui, and the love and the life of the people that are there with us.
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in the presence of everyone. So to love God, God is all that is, is there within us and everything. And to love ourselves as we love our neighbor. So that’s big enough for us. If we can do just that, and we all do that, that’s huge. So I’m with you. I’ve never heard the term of love.
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A lovatic. A lovatic. You know, like you were saying, a lunatic. I’m a lovatic. May I use that? Absolutely. Absolutely. I dub you with my lovaticness. I’m a lovatic. You know, interested automation. Thank you. You know, just going back to that little song that you just sang, and I’m sure you realized that it’s so wonderful to put those affirmations to music and just repeat them.
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You know, and I think for me, because I like to do affirmations, but I really like to say them a champion. So much better than just the verbal words. Because for me, like, my heart of Christmas, my heart of Christmas is that I say, I repeat it.
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That’s what I love about musical services, that services are as much the music as they are the message. It’s always one. The message and the music work together. So that I walk out, and many times I couldn’t remember what the speaker was talking about, but I can definitely hear that chant, that chorus going through my mind that stays with me.
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all week will you talk about remembering for just a moment please remembering is a it’s an interesting word when you break it apart because if we remember we’re putting something back together we are remembering it and often we allow ourselves to become so scattered during the course of the day i’ve got to be here to be there to see you guys see them got to do this got to do that got to worry about this oh my gosh what you know that we we scatter ourselves and so we have to remember ourselves
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And one of the things that Reverend Ken and I do is from time to time we’ll either take a post-it note, which I think is one of the most wonderful inventions in the universe. Perfect for prayer. Although you can also use a wet erase marker, a marker that will erase, but you have to use something wet to do it. But one thing that we’ve done and we’ve recommended to other people is when you have an affirmation, put it on a post-it note
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and put it several places around the house. Also, at the close of your day, look at something you did well. It may have been that you stayed between the lines while you were driving. And so, some days for me, that’s doing things really well. It’s giving you all a heads up Maui. So, you take those thoughts, you know, and you put them on post-it note, you write them on the bathroom mirror with this marker.
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And you leave them there. So the next day when you get up, the first thing that happens is you are reminded that you do things well. And then whatever you take on during the course of that day, you can say, well, I can drive between the lines and do fine, so I can stay focused on achieving this or seeing this come to pass. That’s good. Thank you. Thank you for that remembering.
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And that takes me back to something that you said on Sunday that I really enjoyed. And it was in the workshop in the afternoon.
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And I’m trying to remember your words, I don’t want to say them incorrectly, so you’ll put them up. But it was basically, what Kent was saying was that if someone gives you a compliment about how well you do something, or something positive, what do we say to ourselves?
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that’s just like me, if you wish to retain that, if you wish to take it in as part of your own way of thinking about yourself and about the world. The truth is that many times in the past, the message that we received in our precondition, in our early life,
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Honestly, it could have been inadvertently. We may have taken that message from the family of origin, our parents or our schools or even our religious bodies, our society. The message is that there’s something wrong or there’s something broken or something missing in us.
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that we don’t belong, we’re not good enough, we can’t do something. The example I remember was a friend who was told she could never be an attorney because she was a woman, and her father would not pay for her, but he would pay for the boys. And this was a few years ago, but it’s still, I’m not so sure. No, I had that same experience. Oh yeah, when I was a young girl, I wanted to be a doctor. Yes.
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They said to me, oh no, girls don’t be doctors. Girls be nurses. You could be a nurse, but you couldn’t be a doctor. So I joined the Future Nurses Club of America and did that for a number of years. And I went, wait a minute.
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That’s not what I want to do. Well, eventually, I started doing my healing work. And that was wonderful. So you are healed. Yeah, but I never broke out that doctorship goal. No, except I do have to do it. You know the opposite. You know, one of our original authors, Dr. Emily Keeney, was a homeopathic physician. And she wrote Lessons in Truth, the foundation book. Oh, that’s wonderful. So that was written by her. She’s incredible.
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But I think that whole idea of limiting ourselves or self-regulating according to old ideas is what we attempt to work through. At least become more observant of the fact that old thinking may not be supporting us in being all we can be and all we want to do. But if we can change our mind about who we are and how much worth and value we have, then we can begin to change our life. Because it has to begin with a self-appreciation, a belief that we’re effective.
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that we can be healthy and we can be strong and we’re enough that we’re capable of doing whatever it is. What she did, my friend Michelle was, wait until she had reached a point of old enough to be able to, I’m not sure the exact age, but someone in her late 20s, after becoming a mother and becoming a school teacher, she finally looked one day and thought that I put this person through, and I’m not saying this to certainly be negative towards the women who supported their husbands through this,
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But she had supported her husband through training to become a lawyer. And she realized at home she was doing the research for his work and his cases. And she thought, wait a minute. I’ve done that for my father. I did it for my husband.
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I can do that for myself. And along with a few other changes in her life, she opened her own practice after school. Because you’ve got to do the work, but you can’t start the work unless you believe you can. And so it was through, not just through Unity, but through other positive thinking centers, places and people who would give her back her self-worth and enforce for her through affirmation, you’re a perfect, holy, innocent, beautiful child of God. And you have all the divine potential in you.
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that is there within anyone. You can do it as well as anyone else. It’s a matter of retraining our mind to know the truth, because that is the truth. If there is a God, and I believe there is, certainly is, that that God, the goddess and all that is, is expressing in everything and everyone, with no exceptions. And so this love that we feel, that you honor and I honor,
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And if there’s anything that people will say about me, and David certainly is a creative genius, it’s that, well, he is loving. And that will get to me. May not be the best at this or that, but he is definitely loving. And I believe that’s enough. If I go through life and that is, God bless you, if that is what I’m recognized for and I’m remembered for, then that will be sufficient. Because with enough love, then everything else will be drawn to us.
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If we create a divine middle you where we love all those who come into our space equally, knowing as the Buddhists say, Om Mani Padme Om. I behold the jewel in the center of the lotus. I behold that spirit of God in everyone. I may not like what they do or say or even how they treat me or do not treat me, but I recognize that. My response is to see it in them.
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then what happens is we’ll draw the people into our life and we’ll do the things that we’re not necessarily, we weren’t even coming to do. They will come to support the love that you’re there to give. They’ll support you. And it happens all the time. You know, the people, circumstances, and conditions conspire in the universe to bring forth what you believe is going to occur. So that we really do self-regulate and be right that if I can get it that I’m not only okay, but that I’m more than okay.
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absolutely powerful. That through the power of my mind, I have the ability to, with love of myself and love of others, recreate my life at any time, anywhere, and there’s no age in that. Thank you. But you know, I really latched onto that teaching. You know how there’s little pieces. And so I’ve shared it because I thought it’s such a
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a great way to talk to ourselves because, well, most people don’t talk to themselves very nicely. I have learned, you know, we have to grow into that. Isn’t it silly? If you’re a kid and you study for a test and you get a hundred on the test and there was a bonus question and you figured out the bonus question, so you get this test back and it’s A+.
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You don’t go to the teacher and say, I don’t deserve this. This is not me. This is not true. This is not the work I do. You go, yeah, I got the grade that I deserve. I deserve that. It’s true.
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And so, yet someone will come up, you know, where’s the sense for somebody to come up and say, you really sang that song well, and for me to say, oh no, I didn’t, you’re an idiot. I worked hard to sing that song well, but I enjoy the process of it, you know? When they would walk out of the sanctuary, or out of the center, I was a school administrator, I spoke at many of the conferences and so on, and I
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I would always, not always, but often hear, among many things, but many times, that that was excellent and that really moved me and I took away something I could use in my life and thank you very much. And I would, when they’d say thank you, I’d say, well, don’t thank me. It was God that did the work.
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And so finally, one lady grabbed me by the hand and said, come over here, honey. And so she, this wise soul said, if there is no absence of God, you’re one with God. That’s a given. So am I. But your mouth moved, and I heard the message from you, so what you’re supposed to say is thank you. That’s a thank you. So from then on, I’ve learned to say, that’s like me. I can speak, and people can hear words that will hopefully
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open a few channels so that they can again take back their worth and their value and free themselves from self-imposed limitation. Yay! I love that. And then, on the other hand, there’s the opposite lesson that you also gave.
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So why don’t you share that? Well, you know, when those negative thoughts come up in our mind about I’m not capable, I’m not good enough, or that we, you know, I’ll give you an example. I started out the door this morning. We had got in the car and then I said, oh, my sunglasses. Now the thought that came to my mind was, that’s like me always forgetting something. But if I had given that voice, if I had dwelt upon that, stayed
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with it, I would have reinforced that belief about myself that I was somehow limited in my mind and couldn’t remember anything, which would not be good. And yet, I can remember many times saying, there I go again. That was just like me. But instead, in my mind, what I said was, that’s not like me. And I actually, when I went in the house and I saw Mike, the friends we’re staying with, as I came back to the door, I said, just that. In my mind. I knew
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that that was not like me. I do remember things. I put things in order. I have a special place for my keys, a special place for, but we’re traveling. So when you’re traveling, you always are out of your particular order. So we have to be kind to ourselves and continue to say, when this voice comes up from within, and we like to think of them as thought persons in the mind. We’re not mentally ill because we think of ourselves as having many voices.
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Everybody does. We have the significant, what we call the who’s, the significant who’s of our life. Our parents, our teachers, the religious authorities that we’ve been raised with. All these voices will tell us things that may or may not be true as children, but we believe them all. And they become a part of our consciousness. Just like seed thoughts that grow like seeds in the ground.
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And we can be very capable of doing or being something that we’ll never allow ourselves to do or be because we don’t believe that we’re capable or that it’s true of us. So we have to say, that’s true of me. That’s true of me. Whenever we think a negative thought, we think the opposite and affirm that, make it firm. I know that I always remember what I need to remember and I’m always in order. That’s true of me. Good for you.
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Well, that’s an affirmation. An affirmation is a statement of truth that is true spiritually. We’re working on bringing it forth into the world. It isn’t always the evidence of what’s happening. But it is important to hold on to that because we tend to focus on the one negative comment and think, okay, my life will be perfect when I can convince that person
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that my life is perfect and you know that person’s got their own life and whether or not i’m a perfect part of their life is their experience but i need to be a perfect part of my life and so one of the things that’s a you know a unity phrase and it’s not exclusive to unity but you hear it a lot in the unity center is thoughts held in mind manifest and kind so if somebody says something let’s look at a good coach because ken and i like to coach people
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A good coach, when a player goes out on the field and messes up, you know, they miss the catch, they trip over their own shoe, whatever it is, when they come back, the good coach will say, shake it off. And then they’ll say something about, you know, you’re the best, you can do it, just shake it off, let it go. So if somebody says to you, you know what, your car is ugly, you know, whatever they’re going to say, because people have a way of wanting to do that, I don’t understand it.
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Just shake it off. Let your heart tell you, shake it off, shake it off. And then focus on what you know to be true. And as long as you keep focusing on that, that’s going to grow. It’s like water in a flower. There’s an old Native American story about the two wolves that live inside. The one wolf is…
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An evil, angry wolf and the other wolf is a kind and powerful wolf. The one that grows is the one you feed. It’s that wolf of love. Yes. The love of the wolf. Woof. Woof. I say no to that.
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I love that story. That’s a great story. I’ve heard it a tiny bit different than that, but the same background. It’s fabulous, fabulous story. Okay, which one am I feeding? Sometimes I ask myself that question.
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Who am I feeding right now with this thought process that’s going on? And it really helps to be aware of that. I grew up in a family where you had to eat everything on your plate. I did too. And so that mentality spills over too. I have to absorb everything people say to me. I have to take everything that’s around me. I don’t have to. Now I can go to a restaurant and I can eat food on my plate if I’m satiated.
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I don’t have to eat it all. So I don’t have to take in everything people say. No, that’s a great analogy. Thank you. I’ve never even put it into that thought process. It is really good. It’s beautiful. Great way to look at it. But I’d like to add that it isn’t always easy. What we’re saying is simple, but it’s not necessarily easy. It means that you…
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will hear negative evaluation of your being, or your life, or who you are, what you are. People say things that aren’t true of you, or it’s their perception of you. And, you know, when we hear this, I think for me, in truth, I have an emotional reaction, which is always, I remember thinking in the last few weeks, shock.
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or unexpected when it comes out of nowhere that someone says you’re not capable of this or you can’t do that or you’re not good enough and you hear these things there’s that still that old gut reaction of that child in us that healing child it isn’t quite healed yet as you said we we had to eat all the food on our plate so therefore we translate that to accepting everything that’s said about us if that is true
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that we have to be the ones as healthy adults now to say, that’s just not true of us. That’s not true of us, that I know that I am one with this presence of God, just like everyone else, and I have the ability to do or to do whatever I need to be or do. So it’s work, because even when you say that, there’s part of us, these thought persons we talk about, who, there’s the worried Willie and the, you know, the,
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This angry Alice and all the ones that have evolved over the years, these personas, but in truth were the individualization of God itself. Perfect and whole and holy. Each one uniquely as we are. So there’s that whole and perfect eternal self.
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That privilege that we may have inherited, a lot of times I’ll think, oh my God, I’m just like my father. And that was wonderful in some senses, but in other senses I wouldn’t want it to be so. Because there were characteristics that I would not like to repeat. So I have to be clear about the fact that I have the ability to decide now what I’m going to be or do. And what’s true of me, because if I accept everybody’s evaluation, I’d be in trouble.
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In that case, if I’m out speaking somewhere, if I’m out teaching somewhere, which I’ve been doing all my life, then there are going to be people who are appreciative of that. They will speak to them. And because of others’ perceptions and the way they were raised, this will not be their truth, nor the vehicle that they wish to hear. And I would be constantly trying to appease or make happy everyone. I have to come back to a point of integrity. And that’s work. I have to come back within and say, what is true of me? Is this true of me?
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a work of self-healing. We become really healthy therapists, as you said, by loving ourself the way that we love our best friend. When we talk to our best friend or treat our best friend the way that we treat ourselves, where we judge ourselves and we deny ourselves the joys and the pleasures that we would offer to a friend in the moment. And yet, that takes time. It’s a process to learn to do that again, to learn to love ourselves. It takes a lot of awareness.
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My friend Pat Harper says, evolution never sleeps. I thought that was such a wonderful way. We are in that process. So there may be a day that we slip and we let those negative things have some, we rent them some space. But eventually we have to evict them because they’re not paying their rent. They’re just taking up space and they’re messing up the house. So
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For them. Kendra’s right. It is an ongoing process. Right. So it’s important for us even…
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even if we slip and buy into it, then not to let that become a reason why we continue to beat ourselves up. And instead we say, oh, I’m so grateful that I’ve realized I don’t need to do this. Otherwise it’s a new form of guilt. We’re not having anybody else feel the same way. We’re shaming ourselves for not thinking positively about ourselves or speaking positively about ourselves. But if we don’t start with loving ourselves, we can’t love someone else. And so it’s a process that’s day by day
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Stepping back from old situations and conditions and relationships where we were not supported, being able to observe those and then just saying no. Limiting the amount of time we spend with people who are negative because they’ll definitely reinforce for us
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Parts of us that we no longer believe are true of us. And so we have to step, if we can’t limit our time with the person all together, we limit how much time we spend with them. Because we certainly don’t want to, you know, remove from our lives our children or spouses or anything else. But what we do is we learn to support the positive and give ourselves more and more of that by the people, the circumstances, the ideas.
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The positive messages that we can get feed our souls so that we can be free again. Absolutely. Well, you know, one of the Hawaiian teachers that I studied with, a wonderful woman, she used to always go, throw out the old CDs. I love it. Throw out the old CDs. I love it. Unless they’re a David Deerfeeder CD. Keep those.
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We promise no ill effects. I don’t think that was the CDs she was talking about. She was talking about those old CDs that we’ve got lodged in the brain. We just throw out those old CDs. That’s a great, great analogy. In the recovery community, there’s a…
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Let’s say, based on the word halt, you’re hungry, angry, lonely, or tired. You need to take care of that. Often we have so many things to do, we miss connections, or whatever happens, we wind up hungry, angry, lonely, or tired, and we don’t nurture ourselves to repair that.
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If we don’t nurture ourselves to repair that, then those negative things tend to have a lot more impact. So when you said you were a love addict, the beauty of that to me is that that means existing in a state of love. You have to have love filling you so that you can then share that.
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So there’s a lot of wisdom going around about how to not set yourself up to buy into those negative impressions. Yes. And when I met you on Sunday, I felt that. So there is a definite energy of love that comes from you. I felt no judgment, I felt inclusiveness and unconditional caring, a sense of warmth and an embrace of love that was a very spiritual and true quality that came from you.
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so whatever you claim and that’s what you are claiming i am here to represent and be loved in action that’s all i’m here for and that is what you are yes and that’s true for all of us so that what we believe is true or claim about ourselves we become that and that’s the way creation works the mind of god
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places ideas in our mind which are given form according to our consciousness, our thinking. And so you have received that idea that love is all there is that is important, that God is love. And that’s the only truth and the only reality that is absolute and eternal. So I am going to dedicate myself to that. I’m going to be it in action. I’m going to express it, find ways to give it away, and to lead other people into it.
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That’s true for all of us. We can all do that. Whatever we choose to be becomes a form for this unformed energy of God to create again. So God’s constantly creating. And we’re a part of that creation as we open our mind to that mind of God to continue taking these ideas and giving them forth. And I’m glad that you chose love because I felt it. It was one of the most beautiful experiences I’ve had on Maui.
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that if I never saw you again, I’d always remember that love. And we walked into the doorway right there at Unity. I felt that love. And it was an environment. There was a milieu of love about you that was tangible. I could feel it, and I was embraced in it. So it’s a very real experience once we start getting at what we’re here for, what we choose to be.
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Thank you so much. Well, my goodness, that was an incredibly beautiful compliment. Thank you. It brought tears a little bit and it brought a great big smile to my heart. Ariel, it’s true. Thank you very much. It is very true.
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In cartoons, we see characters who carry their environment with them. And sometimes that’s represented by the person with the dark stormy cloud over there. But in Peanuts, there’s the character Pigpen. Wherever he goes, there’s this little dirt cloud that pops up around him.
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And, you know, people talk about auras. Some of us see them. Some experience them in a kinetic way. But we do carry around with us an environment that precedes us.
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and an environment that follows us. And so what Ken was talking about is true, that you’ve chosen to let what you emanate be love. So before people even meet you, love is meeting them. It’s an energy field. And it’s a choice people can…
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If people can make that choice, it may be a different thing than they’ve been choosing before. And they probably will need to be supported in that intention so that discouragement doesn’t happen.
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Just because they got tired. And so places like a Unity Center are handy for being supported in that intention that you want to carry forth. Absolutely. Absolutely. You can be joy, and you can be love, and you can be happiness, and you can be excitement, and you can be supportive, and you can be compassion, you can be caring, you can be anything that you want to be. And as you allow yourself to be, to embody that, then it’s going to go forth, and it’s going to follow.
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Just like… No. Mahalo. Mahalo. Well, my goodness, I didn’t know that I was going to get all these wonderful compliments here today. Thank you. I guess… It’s true. Okay, I’ll just take them all in. Thank you very, very much. I’ve learned to say thank you. Yes. Mahalo. We have two. Mahalo, mahalo, mahalo.
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Well, you know, I’ve just enjoyed this time here with you so very much, and I know you have. It’s been our pleasure. Oh, you are just wonderful. Well, not just because you told me about this last day.
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You are so wonderful. May I just say to all the listeners that we return to you all the love that you’ve given us for this last 10 days, that we love you, we bless you, and we behold the Spirit of God in you that’s perfect, full, and holy. And that’s the truth. All the rest is untrue of you. So you continue to know that for yourself and set yourself free. It’s time to live passionately in this.
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The only one can do that is you. You can agree with me. So be that. Yes. Well, you know, I was just about to ask you if you had any wonderful last message. And you just put it right out there.
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How about you, David? Do you have a last message that you’d like to put out here for this moment? I do have a last message for this moment. You know, the cells that make up our being are not the same cells we had when we started out. So they’ve all sloughed off and changed and put out new ones. So there’s something more to us than these physical bodies. And that something more to us
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comes from my experience from the heart. The heart does not have any limitation. The heart is not bound by space or geography or buildings. So the beautiful part about our visit here in Maui is that even though we take these bodies,
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back to back of El California. Our hearts are able to remain here. And this is a beautiful place to keep a heart. So thank you so much for the open hearts that we’ve received and for allowing us to leave our hearts here with you. Our hearts are with you. We will cradle them and
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take really good care of them until you come back to the ocean. We let our flowers from our lays go out to the ocean so they can bring us back. Perfect, perfect. You knew what to do. My mama didn’t raise no fool. So do you have a closing little song for us? Sure. Okay, that would be great.
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You know, these people may want to know how to find your music. Well, they can go to iTunes, because there’s David Deerfeeder music available there. But they can also go to my website, which, confusingly enough, is davideerfeeder.com. And that’s spelled just like the animal, the deer, and you’re feeding it. So, Deerfeeder. So, please feel free. There’s free downloads there, so you don’t even have to buy music there. I can’t wait. Years ago,
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i was asked to record a bluegrass album as i said it’s written in some of a variety of styles and we decided the album would be called and friends because it was a group of friends who were helping this woman that was a bluegrass player debbie mccune make the album so this was a little title track for that because every album needs a title track it’s a pretty simple song lord we made it through another day all i need’s a moment of your time
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There’s something that I need to say, the same thing that I tell you every night. I just want to thank you for the mountains, for the day you’re bringing to an end. Thank you for the life you placed within me. And friends, thank you for my friends. And so it is. Thank you for my friends.
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Thank you, thank you. Mahalo. I don’t have to say may God travel with you because I know God does. And I just, I do pray that.
01:36:37
So many people have the wonderful opportunity to share the joy of YouTube that you bring forward. Mahalo. Mahalo for visiting with us today. Mahalo for visiting with us today. We were so happy that you were here to join us. And from our hearts, we give them an aloha. Aloha.
01:37:06
This is Ariel. Ariel, this is Rebecca. Rebecca is the best here.
