Scott & Greg Rife – Friends forever…

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JasonSchwartz with Scott R Bushnell and Greg Rife in the Maui NEUTRAL Zone- 5-19-2025; conversation from two lifelong friends, since age 4 or 5. Different yet the same. The movie “Twins” kind of brothers. A fun & interesting show

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Key Insights

• [12:29] The resilience of nature and community efforts: The Lahaina banyan tree’s survival despite the destructive fire symbolizes the community’s deep roots and dedication to preserving their heritage. This highlights the importance of proactive environmental stewardship and the human connection to natural landmarks. The tree’s survival was aided by significant human intervention, reflecting how nature and human care must work together.
• [15:14] Environmental impact of agricultural land management: The hosts provide an insightful historical perspective on how the sugarcane industry’s “check dams” naturally mitigated flooding by slowing water runoff. The cessation of these farming practices and subsequent land neglect transformed these areas into unmanaged, feral lands, exacerbating floods and erosion. This serves as a cautionary tale about the unintended consequences of abandoning traditional land stewardship without replacement measures.
• [24:56] ⚡ Renewable energy as evolving technology:While wind and solar power are valuable additions to Maui’s energy portfolio, the discussion stresses they are not yet cost-effective or fully reliable as sole energy sources. The hosts advocate for a diversified energy approach and caution against overreliance on any single technology. This reflects a pragmatic view that balances innovation with economic realities and community impact.
• [31:15] Pharmaceutical pricing and socioeconomic disparities: The conversation touches on the complex issue of equal drug pricing globally, highlighting that price uniformity must consider economic conditions and healthcare needs. The hosts note the paradox of wealthy nations facing higher disease rates and costs, prompting reflection on systemic health and social factors beyond mere pricing. This insight challenges simplistic views and calls for nuanced policy approaches.
• [49:30] The rise of AI and its control over information: The hosts critique how artificial intelligence increasingly shapes media content, influencing public perception and discourse. The control of narratives by AI-generated scripts and the lack of critical questioning about controversial figures and events suggest a need for greater media literacy and vigilance. This insight underscores the tension between technology’s benefits and its potential to manipulate truth.
• [34:24] Endurance of human relationships and cultural heritage: The deep friendship between the hosts, formed in childhood and sustained across continents and decades, illustrates the power of personal bonds to provide continuity and perspective. Stories of shared adventures, family histories, and religious journeys enrich the conversation, demonstrating how personal experience informs broader worldviews.
• [51:22] Need for actionable environmental solutions: The discussion about restoring check dams and terracing to manage Maui’s floodwaters calls for practical, informed environmental interventions. The hosts emphasize that simply funding studies is insufficient without implementation of proven methods. This insight advocates for community-driven, evidence-based approaches to land and water management that respect historical practices and natural systems.

Extended Summary and Analysis

The video begins with the host Jason Schwarz setting the stage for a free, unfiltered exchange of ideas on Maui’s community issues and beyond. Joined by longtime friends Scott R. Bushnell and Greg Refe, the trio’s chemistry allows for an engaging, conversational style that moves fluidly between humor, personal history, and serious topics.

Early in the discussion, the focus shifts to Maui’s recent natural disasters, notably the Lahaina fire and subsequent rebuilding efforts. The survival of the iconic banyan tree is a beacon of hope amid widespread destruction. The hosts describe how the tree was nurtured with fresh water and nutrients to ensure its survival, emphasizing the power of human care in preserving natural heritage. The fire’s devastation also prompts reflection on how modern building codes and climate conditions affect reconstruction, with Lahaina’s waterfront now being rebuilt with greater awareness of environmental risks.

Attention then turns to flooding issues in Kihei and the broader island. The hosts provide a historical context, explaining how sugarcane farming practices involved stacking rocks in “check dams” that naturally slowed water runoff and reduced erosion. When sugarcane farming ceased, these natural barriers were removed, leading to increased flood velocity, more sediment in waterways, and greater damage. The hosts lament the loss of traditional land management and the failure to replace it with modern sustainable practices. This narrative highlights an important lesson: that environmental stewardship requires continuity and adaptation, not abandonment.

The conversation broadens to include technological innovation, particularly in renewable energy. Greg shares his experience working for an electric utility and offers a balanced view of wind and solar power. They stress that while renewable energy technologies are important for a sustainable future, they are currently imperfect and often costlier than traditional sources. The hosts caution against unrealistic expectations and advocate for diversified energy solutions that incorporate emerging technologies responsibly.

Societal issues such as pharmaceutical pricing come under scrutiny. The discussion reveals the complexity of establishing “most favored nation” pricing globally, as economic disparities and healthcare needs differ dramatically. The hosts argue that pricing should reflect local conditions to ensure fairness and access, while also addressing the underlying health challenges prevalent in wealthier countries.

Throughout the dialogue, the impact of artificial intelligence on media and public discourse is a recurring concern. Jason and Scott criticize how AI-generated content dominates news and influences public opinion, often obscuring deeper truths or controversial issues. This serves as a call to the audience for critical thinking and vigilance in consuming information.

Interspersed are rich personal stories that illuminate the hosts’ lifelong friendship, cultural experiences, and spiritual journeys. These anecdotes provide warmth and depth, illustrating how individual histories shape perspectives on larger issues. The hosts discuss their conversions to Catholicism, their shared adventures in youth, and meaningful encounters with notable figures, adding a human dimension to the conversation.

The video closes with a hopeful message: despite challenges in politics, technology, and the environment, there are positive actions people can take. The hosts encourage ongoing dialogue, informed action, and a commitment to community well-being, inviting viewers to engage with the show and the broader conversation.

Final Thoughts

This video embodies a grassroots, authentic discussion blending local Maui issues with global themes. It underscores the importance of history, community ties, and balanced innovation in addressing complex challenges. The hosts’ candid conversations reveal a thoughtful skepticism toward simplistic narratives and a commitment to truth and practical solutions.

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00:00:12 – 00:01:32Wow, it started early today. Maybe that was a spot supposed to wait for us. Aloha everyone. Yeah, you’re right, Scott. I am loud. This is Jason Schwarz. I’m your host here at the neutral zone. Maui neutralzone.com. K A KU 88.5 FM the voice of Maui. The voice of Maui. Simalcast on Akaku Maui Community TV channel 55. You can find us at YouTube at Dream Maui number one. You can find us at mauyneutralzone.com. You can find us. The question is will you know that you should find us to be able to find us and00:00:52 – 00:01:59do we have an algorithm that lets you find us? And well, once you share it, will someone be calling to try to solicit me and tell me, “Oh, there’s some mistakes on your web page.” Hey, would you like to have a little touchup? Nice, baby. You know, normally we charge 8,000, but we’ll do it for 150, but only today. And maybe we’ll give you you can take you can break that into different payments. Who are you? You’re somebody that called me because you saw my name and number on a show and00:01:26 – 00:02:28you’re deciding to revamp my website. Hi everyone, this is Jason Schwarz. I’m your host here at the Neutral Zone and I don’t only have one guest, I have two guests. Oh yeah, one of them you know that’s our favorite co-host Scott R. Bushnell. R stands for Alawishas. We put it in there so we know you’re not that other Scott Bushnell. Absolutely. You don’t want that guy, man. He’s in prison still. And Greg Refe, you’re not the Greg Refe of the son of the guy that did that machine,00:01:57 – 00:03:02right? Reife machine. Oh, yeah. That cancer machine. I forgot about I don’t I don’t think so. His granddaughter lived on Maui. Patricia Refe. Very nice girl. Oh, really? So maybe I have some background here. I didn’t know. Yeah. Well, she’s been gone two decades already. Oh my. I’ve been here 37 years and I am sitting in the most important seat on this island. This is the voice of free speech here on Maui and it has opportunity to have people that have all kinds of opinions come up and express it00:02:29 – 00:03:33and put it out there into the air and hopefully it’s picked up by one of the people that hears one of those signals or has seen a link or has seen someone who knows about things and maybe we compete with the 8 million other things going on at this time. Absolutely. Check your email up. There’s a webinar starting. Hey, wait a minute. I’m supposed to host that one. What am I doing here? Hi, Greg. I’m sorry. This is I You’ve caught me after a bump in my road. I really did have that website00:03:02 – 00:04:05experience. Can you You guys have had things like that. You think we’re having a simple time and the only simple thing is the simple ton who believes too many people. What did you do with your life? You weren’t doing websites, were you? Well, actually, it’s funny you should say that as that because I worked I worked for, as Scott said, for a utility, electric utility in Portland, Oregon for 37 years. I retired five years ago and my uh my cousin uh was starting a business and she wanted a website and I said, you00:03:33 – 00:04:35know, I have know nothing about websites. So, I taught myself how to develop a website. So, I developed one for her and I’ve recently developed one for Scott. Do you use like some of these online things like Wix or some of these other kind of shortcut programs to build? I do. I use I I use a it’s called Divvy. Divvi. I’m not sure what it stands for, but it’s a very uh very intuitive uh userfriendly interface. And done in volume interface. Say that again. Done in volume interface. They’re00:04:04 – 00:05:12leveraging they’re going to have 25 of you guys building websites as experts. They they very and and well they do and I got taken by that a few times and you know my ex-wife said to me, “Did you check her out? Did you see what she’s built and done before you paid her?” No, I didn’t. She looked like she could probably know what she’s doing. She spoke like she did. Yeah, but have you seen what she’s done? Well, it sounds like a Beatles song. See what she’s done. So, do you build00:04:37 – 00:05:33websites? Well, I I have built two No, I built I for the two people that I’ve done it for, it’s free. It’s a hobby. So, I taught myself how to do it. Now, I do I know a lot about it. I don’t know. But I know enough to build a a website that people seem to like. They seem Oh, yeah. Tas is amazing. Reminds me of Apple when computer was like, “Oh no, code. Ah, I have to get in through these doorways. We’re Apple. We’re going to make it so friendly.” You just hit a few00:05:05 – 00:06:11buttons and then you think you’re an expert. You’re not. You’re a user. You’re using the thing they built and now you’re riding on something they know if they go left, you have to go left. See, there’s a beautiful thing between Greg and I have been friends now 60 years. Oh, yeah. Kindergarten. Since kindergarten. We’re 65. So, we met when we met at 5 years old in kindergarten. Yeah. And we’ve been friends. But the unique when it comes to this web stuff. So our friendship is based on a unique00:05:38 – 00:06:23balance. I’ve always had that bombace jump in the middle of a pile of and put it to get put it together. And Greg’s the guy over here going, “Well, I got the directions.” And then I’m like all screwed up on something and Greg goes, “No, it was supposed to go that way.” And it’s like it’s a nice balance. It’s like, “Yeah, I’ll just steam into it.” And Greg will go a 37 years stable guy and you’re like, “Oh, look like me.” Yeah. I’m the one that says, “I like00:06:01 – 00:06:51that. She she’s English. She speaks English. But we learned from that. I mean, it’s it’s a it’s been a good balance. I We have a great balance. Yeah. Yeah. You got to take me into that club. I’m this I feel like I am so out of balance from being whipped. You got to get out in the walk. We used to walk in on the beach. Greg, I took Greg on that same walk. It’s it’s such a good walk. That one where we’re kind of on the beach, then a little trail, then a little bit of road. Oh, that’s a great00:06:26 – 00:07:19one. But are you tired at the end or are you used to No, actually it’s very exhilarating. You know what’s good about it? It’s very therapeutic because Scott and I are good friends and we can talk about anything. It’s a very safe haven. You talk about anything. There’s nothing controversial. What’s on your mind today? You’re speaking to only three million people today. Oh yeah. Well, you know what we were talking about was it’s like I I clicked on and I started seeing00:06:52 – 00:07:47the the bullet points and I’m like they’re talking about oh we’re gonna have to cut to national parks. We’re gonna have to cut Noah. We’re gonna have to cut this. I’m like that is like if you’d had three zeros past the the the last dot when it talks about the percentage of the federal government’s budget. And I’m going have used this tactic in state government, local government, everywhere. If you want to pass a budget where you don’t want to talk about the really garbage that’s in00:07:20 – 00:08:25it, punish the public. We’re going to have to cut education. We’re going to have to cut the parks. We’re going to have to cut firefighters. And all of a sudden people like, “Oh no, no firefighters. Oh no, I want to go to the park.” And then you get everybody that’s has that emotional rip all of a sudden call in and push a budget through that has all kinds of trash in it. So now it’s all being cut. But reliance on services and there’s the there’s the fear they’re using. Yeah. Yeah. One side00:07:55 – 00:08:54uses fear right now. Oh, you’re going to lose your social security. You’re going to lose your Medicare. Oh, you’re going to ha you’re going to have to fear and some do. Yeah. And and that’s one tactic. Fear. They use that. One side uses it against the other side depending on who’s got control. But but there’s fear on both sides. There are but they but they target it. And Greg and I are talking about this AI. Now I could scribble down something in my dyslexic moment here. Tell AI, can you make this00:08:23 – 00:09:30an emotional appeal? and AI will rewrite that and I’ll read it and feel like I’m reading my father’s frigin funeral notice. They have such power to manipulate words and they and the news readaders, I don’t call them media anymore, they’re news readers because everything they read spits out of an AI. It’s and it’s amazing that even though the public has only heard about it for a couple years, there’s this new thing called AI. It’s not new. and you speak to someone. Oh, in 1993 I was using it.00:08:58 – 00:10:11We were building a model thing. We’ve been using AI and I say to them now two days ago I realized, Scott, and you’ll appreciate this a lot. I’ve been involved in with AI since 1994. Yeah. Why? Cuz my partner’s name is A I R I E L L E. The real McCoy, not the artificial one. There you go. Well, you know, and when I got my when I was in college and I actually got a Tandy 1000 computer and I stuck in a disc and it corrected my spelling, I swear the heavens opened up. Light came down and I00:09:34 – 00:10:36hit the print button and I turned it in and I got a I didn’t have red ink and it was like, “Oh, Jesus has arrived in my dorm room.” No, I know. Yeah. You remember the trash 80, the little square box? Oh, yeah. Radio Shack one. We’ve come a long way now. We have more tools to I can’t say that word. He was looking at me like I It’s usually me. It’s usually me. It’s not Jason. It’s usually me that goes ready to say one of the big seven or however many there are. George00:10:05 – 00:11:03George Carlin. There we go. Now you’ve There’s a man who said it like it was. Yeah. Can’t repeat them on the radio either. Yeah. But you can watch him on TV now. Yeah. It’s really funny, isn’t it? Isn’t that crazy? Suddenly you come across it. I know it’s funny. Yeah. Do you guys know what we’re talking about? Of course you do. If you’re listening to this show more than once, then you know we are a unique brand of TV and radio. At least we’re we think we are because00:10:33 – 00:11:44whatever you hear us say very many times is really how we feel. And that’s the voice of Maui, right? As opposed to the new radio station, that’s the talk of Maui. Hi, my name is Rowdy Yates. Now, that’s an original name. Wasn’t that the name that Clint Eastwood had when he was in Raw High 50 years ago? That was Rowdy Yates. And now he’s the DJ and he’s talking about things. And in the jokes, you hear bigot. You hear all this stuff. And he’s not local. Well, we have these people in00:11:09 – 00:12:02Maui on the south side in Kihi. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You can tell as they pronounce Lahena and all this stuff. It’s a Have you Speaking of Lahina, have you um have you gone down there to walk the front street yet since it’s open? Um I haven’t, but I’ve driven now. You can actually go I mean I was actually I was going to go to mass yesterday in Lahine and I was like, “Yeah, because they’ve been having mass there for about a month or so.” Real. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s like00:11:36 – 00:12:24that was the my original church here and I was like, “I’d like to go back.” And I got up and Greg text me. It’s so funny. They that we had St. Trees’s and he text, “Yeah, we’re going to go to the 11 11:00 mass.” And I went, “Oh, Senor, you’re going to the 11:00 mass.” And he goes, “Do you speak Spanish or go?” Oh, No. Excuse me. Oh, we’re going to the 9:30 mass. You hear what you just said? I know. We’re going to the 9:30 mass. It’s one allowed for sure. Put my00:12:00 – 00:12:58nickel in the jar. There we go. I think that was number two, actually. Yeah, that might have been number two. Okay. Yeah. So, let’s talk about tell me about Lahina because I you know I left here right before the fire two years ago and it was just and it was so devastating to watch it on the news and see all that happened and you know the thing that always amazed me was the banyan tree and how that survived. Tell tell me more about that. Is that still there? And well the banyan tree Yeah. has roots00:12:29 – 00:13:36down deep. But they did a lot to keep it alive though. Oh, they poured every bit of fresh water that was on the west side on the banyan tree. The banyan tree. And then they put in all kinds of You think it was a uh person. They have a line going here with this kind of vitamin. They have this one. This extracts. Does a little backflip and Oh, look. It’s growing. It’s in its growing stage. That’s awesome. Yeah, they It was like a major trimming, but it survived. Yeah. I mean, isn’t that extraordinary that00:13:02 – 00:14:11something that had really deep roots considering Cool Cats across the street pulverized the whole Wararf Center pulverized and it’s just 50 yards away. That’s just what’s amazing. But the wind was blowing at the tree because it was downslope wind coming down through Lahina. And that’s what just amazed me that it survived so well because that entire fire at the at the um warf center was blowing right at the tree, you know. So what’s on the front on the waterfront now? You said it’s being00:13:36 – 00:14:42rebuilt. Is it Well, the waterfront sadly was too far into the water for our current codes. Same thing that happened in Kona. Okay. Kona used to have all these really cool stuff from the back in the whailing days. Kona had along its waterfront had a boardwalk and they had stuff out over the water because that way the the the sailing ships that were pretty not heavy draft boats. They got like they needed 9 ft of water or better and they could be able to pull up and that’s what Lahina was like for the00:14:09 – 00:15:21whalers and um they decided that that they’ve been pulling the pilings out which Lahina will look more like probably more like Kona now. It’ll be like one side’s a sidewalk and the other side is Wow. Yeah. It’ll be well and um I want to say it’s probably in some ways imagine if that whole thing was there and as the water is rising you realize you’re having lunch way steep. Yeah. And uh well we have to move our business back. Why? If you look that way, there’s nothing but00:14:46 – 00:15:41more business and more everything else. So, this was a clean, sadly a clean sweep. And some will say, you know, it was the aliens. Some will say it was people with a pointed laser. Some will say it’s because people didn’t put out this little fire over on the side. And it was it was those wicked winds. It’s all it was. I was there. Let’s talk a little bit about this, Scott. So I, you know, I’ve been coming to Maui now since 2003, but it only seems like in the re more recent years, we’ve seen these huge00:15:14 – 00:16:23floods. You know, the condos that we stay at have been flooded since Okay. Jason and I hit on this too. So has already been a topic discussed. No, but it’s an important discussion. So when the sugar cane won this side of the island, when uh Baldwin Sugar pulled off the island, a top of the island, top of the island up there, as everyone knows, they piled rocks up when they every year when they did the cane, they’d find rocks in the field and they they piled them up, stairstepping them down the00:15:47 – 00:16:56hills. After Baldwin left, they went in and they tried to restore it to its natural state. Those rock lines that designated certain areas in those cane fields where they they uh they had the cane and they had they would burn it every year, those actually were natural water barriers. They would slow the velocity of the water coming down the hill. It was check dams. They’re called check dams out in Okay. Yeah. and they would slow the water down so the velocity slowed so that when it got down towards Kihei yes00:16:22 – 00:17:21we always had floods in Kihei when even when I lived there in the 80s we had floods in Kihei but we didn’t have the velocity to rip the top soil apart and bring down sediment it would be murky water yes we would have crappy water for snorkeling and they had it in the 80s when I was doing snorkeling back then but the velocity of the water coming down from Hollya has absolutely no speed bump dumps. And that’s what those check dams were. They weren’t building them for check dams. They were building them00:16:52 – 00:18:00to divide the fields. So when they did fires, they had barriers. And anywhere you dig up the ground here, you’re going to find a chunk of lava. And you just stack it up and stack it up above Lahina Town back when um Pioneer uh pulled out, which was way before, that was 98. That was before uh Baldwin. those whole fields up there, they had these huge piles of rocks because they didn’t do the checks because linite is much smaller than Holly aquaka obviously. But again, the the those served more than one purpose. They00:17:26 – 00:18:38served multiple purposes. One, they divided out where the cane was planted and they slowed the water down. Again, farmers were taking care of those lands. They knew that when they did that, the ground would hold more water. That was good for sugarcane. that was good for when they burned the fields and did the organic pest control and rat control and mice control and they all of a sudden went, “We’re washing our hands. We don’t want to fight 80 lawsuits about how we’re farming.” And they walked away and00:18:02 – 00:19:22nobody took care of the land. and a company from Chicago, JMBB Afac took over and it became a real estate playground. Yeah. And an unmanaged area suddenly feral ground. So prior to this when did how long had this sugarcane and this this type of farming and and check dams how long how overund years. over 100 years. Well, well, well. So, this was this was a more almost an indigenous type of activity. It was well, you know, remember that the Hawaiians were here. Somehow they had it together. Yeah. And then came white man00:18:42 – 00:19:59and he decided he was going to exploit that territory. More sugarcane. Yeah. Right. So, it got So, sugar the sugarcane’s gone. The check 150 years natural systems replaced by a system a profit driven thing. One side was like you’re talking on the west side and the other side is with these these check lines check when that all that has stopped now the water is coming so strong. So two different scenarios both with the same thing. Yeah. The west side the ground is growing wildly uncontrolled. Water’s gone no control.00:19:21 – 00:20:18And I talked to a Capuna when I was up running the the family farm up there and he was old and he said those winds would come down and they would flip our sugarcane trucks when they were harvesting sugarcane. Those trucks were huge. But we would get these winds when a stormfront would park x amount of miles offshore and draw those mountains. They come over from this side and they’re cold from this side. This island is much cooler than the Lahina side or the Kihei. They come over and that cold00:19:49 – 00:20:53wind is like, “Oh man, I’m 10 degrees colder.” And it races down because that’s what cold air does. It races down to get below the hot air. And those winds and the most interesting thing I heard is when I was watching on the news, I watching the news and they were inter interviewing the archbishop of of Hawaii and they were talking to isn’t it a blessing that uh your church survived in Lahane? He goes, “Well, no. the the parishioners of Lahina when they rebuilt that church after the last fire 11800:20:21 – 00:21:26years ago, we wanted to build it so it wouldn’t burn because they lost the entire town 100 years ago. Wow. From the exact same circumstances, those winds came somehow a spark up country or up on the mocha side and it just whooshed through the town. And when they rebuilt that church, they said, “We want to build a church that won’t be th those walls are 4 feet thick on that church.” Yeah. Yeah. It was like, “Dang.” Okay. No wonder the sound is so good inside. Oh, it’s beautiful. Yeah. I00:20:54 – 00:21:56have a friend who did a concert in there I video one time. The sound was very different. Oh, it’s incredible in there. Yeah. Well, they’ve they’ve got the curves. They’ve got, you know, when the choir’s up in the in the choir loft behind you, it’s just it’s angelic. But now their parishioners have to come a little further. They do. Yeah. You know, I think if we talk about building um you guys, you were mentioned you were a General Electric. No, I was Portland General Electric. An electric utility00:21:24 – 00:22:26just like uh um Maui Electric or Hawaii Electric, that type of business. Yeah. Yeah. So I my company provided electricity to residents in the Portland metropolitan area. Right. And you were just owned by a big big daddy. No, no, actually we weren’t. We were an independent company for a while. There was a short period of time we were where we were owned by a company that no one’s ever heard of called Enron, but that that came and went. I’ve heard of them. Yeah. Once. Yeah. This this this young00:21:55 – 00:23:08man boarded a plane in Portland every Monday, flew to Texas, got on a plane, and went home every Friday night to do his stent at Enron. and they paid him in stock. Talk about getting bent over. Sorry, but it was a horrible moment. No, they they they paid a you know, most companies had a matching program for your 401k. And so that’s what before before Enron came into play. A lot of companies match did your match with their company stock. So I had a lot of Enron. My my father had, you know, $300,000 worth of company stock when00:22:31 – 00:23:36$300,000 was enough, a lot of money. And then poof, gone. And oh my goodness, then he died and the rest is history. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Life is funny, isn’t it? Funny. It is funny. But but there was a there was there was a silver lining out of that whole experience with Enron. I I I met a lot of great people there. My career uh I think it helped my career because I was working around some very intelligent, very motivated people. Good people, not not bad people. Good people. Yeah. And I learned from that00:23:04 – 00:24:01and I took away from that, brought that back home and I, you know, and my career took off from there. Yes, there was a price to pay for for being part of Enron for those few years. But I I there there was positives and negatives to it. I always they were they were delivering but Enron the old problem was with what the stock the profit what they would go you know ultimately I think what it came down to there were a few individuals that that were that pushed the rules the accounting rules you know a little bit00:23:33 – 00:24:19and I’m not going to get into that there’s some books I would you should read that would describe that it’s called the the smartest guys in the room and conspiracy of fools two good books that talk about that whole process and what happened rather than me trying to describe it complicated. No, but but while that whole thing was happening, like you said, there were good people delivering good service. Yeah, but there were a few people like five floors above me that where this was all going on and and like00:23:56 – 00:24:59you said, it was an accounting problem bound to the same thing. We all want to gobble each other’s children. Yeah, it’s horrible. I’m sorry. Oh, it’s our own society is based on somehow we all go to church and say we’re pious and go outside and say, “Oh, wait. I got a week. I can do anything I want. Next Sunday I can be forgiven, man. I got this game down. Well, yeah. You’re not Catholic, so you can’t be forgiven. So, we won’t go there. Anyway, no, but Greg and I were Greg and00:24:28 – 00:25:21I were having a convers. We don’t know. So, so Greg and I are having this conversation this last couple days because, you know, we’re walking down the beach. We’re walking We’re walking north on the beaches in Kihei down from La Poa, my stretch that I walk on. great picture today. We took a selfie together. We’re looking at the windmills and and Greg was we were talking about he said it’s a great technology but it’s not there yet. But and Greg was saying he said well in00:24:56 – 00:26:05certain companies you know you want to move your technology forward and so you you never but I think it was sold to the public that was going to be an endall. this is going to make us this wonderful amount of energy when in actuality Greg was telling me that it it was never it was a lose-lose. The only takeaway from it was learning new technology because it wasn’t cost-effective. By the time you put them in and you make them generate electricity, you’re basically just passing on a loss to the customers00:25:30 – 00:26:29because it’s not generating a profit. They have to be online working steadily for well I I think what I was really trying to say about that Scott is that you know you know wind power it’s a it’s a technology it’s part of our overall closer to the mic and it does provide it does add to our energy portfolio it maybe more expensive than other forms of energy but what the point I was trying to make to Scott with with uh wind with solar electric vehicles these are all new technologies that are developing and00:26:01 – 00:27:00I and I I don’t think we should just completely ignore them. No, but we need to move forward with them and learn from the and let it advance. Now, we had a discussion about electric vehicles and you know there they should not be force-fed to everybody but they should be available. Yeah. You know, we and the term I was using was boutique. Yeah. You know, I don’t know if that’s the right term, but people who can can afford them and use them and let’s then it’s a boutique. the technology like Tesla’s00:26:30 – 00:27:25$160,000 truck that looks like it came from another planet. Well, yeah, some of those Teslas are are, you know, Yeah. kind of oddlooking. But, you know, but my my point is is that, you know, as you you know, the first computers that came out, the first cars, the first planes were not that efficient, were not that great. But the the the technology evolved and eventually we have what we have today. I mean now people can fly into space if you I mean it’s expensive but back in the 60s you couldn’t buy00:26:58 – 00:28:02your way into space and now we have a simple thing like you want to fix your car you’d want to do it and it says you’re missing this chip and this chip now you can’t fix your car you got to send things away and what do you mean we make it in another country oh my god we’re going to ramp up here and replace all this because now we can’t even afford to buy our own products made in America You know, some can, you know, go with that. That’ll be a second conversation. Yeah. Things are Someone’s phone went00:27:30 – 00:28:27off. That was a choo choo train. Yeah, that was a ch You know, all these things I’m talking about. I sound really nasty, don’t I? No, I’m just You and I had this conversation. We were Jason and I were sitting in a men’s group one time. Great group of guys. Great group of guys. And we they were having this conversation that everybody just needs to go and buy electric cars. And Jason and I were looking at each other like we I can’t walk out and buy an electric car. That’s just way out of my00:27:58 – 00:28:49frigin wheelhouse. And boutique is a beautiful word. It’s like yachts. I’m a doctor. I have unlimited income. I think I want to buy three of those. That would be if you want to buy an electric car. In fact, God bless you. I know a lot of people that I know people that own Teslas. They love them. And if that’s what you want to buy, great. But it shouldn’t be a requirement. I guess that’s No. and and and and the Joe Q that’s driving a 12-year-old Subaru shouldn’t be paying more on his00:28:24 – 00:29:43registration because the electric car guy gets a dispensation for having an electric car. That when they said no no title and license fee on electric cars, it was like, well, so that means they raise the price on Joe Q public because we’re paying for their registration with our registration increases. And it’s like, uh, okay. Yeah. It’s like, when you say that, I I I always think of Donald Trump these days. Sorry. Really? Yeah. Well, you know, he plugs in. How about today? I heard it. It’s an old story. Eat the00:29:03 – 00:30:01tariffs, you big companies, just eat that. You’re not going to adjust your prices. 30% change in prices. Just eat it. See how many even the big guys go down. Jason, you need to change your algorithm. No, my algorithm is real clear. When I go I’ll let you handle this one. This one. No. Okay. I like maybe you have an idea. But I when I go into Walmart and I see this thing, I I’ve seen that and I’ve seen what you’re how you’re going to respond. I really want to see it. Let me00:29:32 – 00:30:42hear it. Let me hear. Well, tariffs are basically Okay. If you’re going to send 10,000 people to my country to go to college, Yeah. then I should be able to send 10,000 people to your to your country to go to college. Well, again, you know that my country can’t handle it. So, China can’t handle 10,000 people to go to school. No, they’re they’re opening that up. You heard all that. We’re going to we’re going to knock it all away except for 10%. Which is 10%? So, that you know how00:30:07 – 00:31:20a great improvement that is. Oh my god. But again, I am more of a global thinker. That means I know we have abundance instead of 12%. You draw lines and there’s an us and a them. We’ve now come to a point where hey, you’re taking from us. Well, you should have already been giving. Why have you not be? We don’t do that. So, so basically you’re saying that the automotive workers in Detroit who have been getting screwed over since 1978 when the first Nissan or Datson showed up are not worth the time a day. I’m00:30:44 – 00:31:46saying to unravel it when the prices and everything in the world is as integrated as it is now. So, what do you feel about what do you feel about what do you feel about Jason? What do you feel about most most favored nation pricing on pharmaceuticals? Now, here when someone asks me a question like that, it’s like, “Okay, man. Step into this one. It’s going to grab your foot. It’s gonna rip it apart.” Yeah. But here’s what you think. Here’s what I think. Here’s what I think. Okay. Yeah.00:31:15 – 00:32:15Here’s what I think. Yes, Scott. It is true. Pharmaceuticals should be the same price for everyone. Everyone. Yeah. But now are people in that country paid the same kind of scale that we are? What’s that? That’s not that Jason. Is that our problem? Yes, it is. No, because they’re not. If they’re paying if they’re paying two cents for a gallon of milk, then that’s fine. And when they have to buy their medication and it’s a dollar, why are why don’t they why don’t they00:31:45 – 00:32:46need that medication than we do? What? Why do we have such a high rate of diabetes? Why do we have such an high rate of Alzheimer’s? That totally Yeah. In our country. Yeah. Oh, well, now we’re getting on my Bobby Kennedy. I already He’s going to the RFK thing. But, you know, but I agree with you. See, that’s what’s so I want to say sinister, but it’s I think it’s not really by design. We’re a bunch of fools and we like to get satisfied. We right from the beginning. We’re00:32:16 – 00:33:18looking for the easier way. We’re looking for we’re going to leverage something or somebody so we can sit home and have an extra hour of sleep. We had this conversation this morning. If we were born 10 years later, they probably would have been feeding both of us medication cuz I was a pretty I was a wild card. Well, I was quiet, remember? Oh, They would have they would have I’m sure I’m partially autistic or something something. Yeah, they probably would have fed Greg drugs. So, no. And00:32:47 – 00:33:54my drug was Scott. I mean, he kept me Scott or Scotch. Scott, you know, Scotch came later. Scott. We had our Scotch years, but you know, Scott allowed me to open up and you know, and and I toned him down. So, there was some there’s some divine intervention here. This is toned down. This is you. Oh, you there’s stories we could tell not on this radio. One of those seven words. beyond the was my best man at my wedding. So, yeah. No, we same here. I saw Well, actually, my brother was, but Scott was should have00:33:21 – 00:34:21been the best, you know, but you know, we were in each other’s weddings. We on opposite sides of the earth broke our left arm at the same time, the same month. We had cancer at same time. We got married the same year. We were born four days apart. Yeah. Our birthdays and we’re both Yeah. four days apart. We both turned 65 a little bit so we can be a legal senior citizen. So I can say whatever I want and say, “Well, the president had dispensation for four years. I should have it, too.” Oh, he’s00:33:50 – 00:34:57giving it back. So God, where were we going? So this is so Greg has comes up in all conversations. I know. Trump Trump. No. Do you want the interesting thing about that what Greg that Greg just revealed is like his his parents were so unique. Greg’s parents were world antique dealers. So, as I got to go to Disneyland, Greg is living in Belgium, France, growing up and going to schools over there. England. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. But here’s the thing. When I left the United States for those four00:34:24 – 00:35:17and a half years and I I came back in the summers, I had quite a few friends before I left, but as a time went by and every time I came back, one person would call. I’d get back to my grandparents house and my grandmother said some guy named Scott called and wants to know when you’re coming back. And so we s so we remained friends who time one letter. I think you sent me one letter. I sent you one letter. One letter. Yeah. We’re not writers. No. But that friendship survived that four and a half years. Oh00:34:51 – 00:35:46yeah. When we came back um just had a blast. I would go to the I’d go and spend like a month at their condo cuz they would be at uh Cascade Head. Cascade Head. And Greg’s dad was the most comedic fellow. You know, if he had something, he had to have the best of it. He first bought a rubber boat and then he’s trying to take Greg in the ocean with the rubber. He didn’t try. He did. He bought a rubber raft like a seven with a little like three horse engine on it. He took us out in the00:35:19 – 00:36:25ocean to go. This is the Pacific Northwest. We’re not talking about small ocean. Then you guys were covered in rubber swimsuits. No, we had shorts and a t-shirt. Then we we came back and he got then he bought a a rowboat. A robo with an engine on it and off over the bar. Eventually he bought a flat bottom Dory. Dory. Oh, that was an oceangoing vessel. So that was actually meant for the ocean. Took Scott and I out there. And remember that day? Yeah. We were going up up up and then down. And I00:35:52 – 00:36:48don’t I mean you felt like you were on one of those rides at different on one of those and between Machai and uh not between Mikini and Maui. So we have waves. Well, and then they dropped my father because I didn’t want to get sick. I used to get sick. So he dropped Scott and I off off in this little beach isol. Oh Christ. We’re talking clits all around. You couldn’t get out of it. Left us there while he went fishing with my uncle and my brother. And then they had to come back and get us from the ocean.00:36:19 – 00:37:18And the ocean got big. It got crazy big. And this is before we that with CB radio, the best of that. It was just Yeah. I see. We’re like 12, 13 years old maybe. You there a week? How long? No. Yeah. We were probably It was probably the one of those summers. One of those summer. Yeah. Yeah. Probably 14 maybe. But anyway, he came and picked us up, but then getting out we got sideways and the bullet. It was Oh, it was It was great. It would. Yeah. It It’s It would have made It would have made one of00:36:49 – 00:37:51those reels that people would watch and go, “There’s stupidness in a boat driver.” Yeah. It was just like, “Holy, how did we live through those years?” It’s crazy. Yeah. That’s just one of many of experiences. Oh my god. We could talk for No, we should not be alive. Never. No. No. You’re like um what’s his name? Danny Devito and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Twins. Oh, yeah. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Who’s who in this one? So the the funny interesting Greg’s brother, another very00:37:20 – 00:38:25unique person. Okay, so Greg, he’s getting married. His brother, his brother hold like the World Wrestling Championship belt for the Philippines. One sec. There’s a face coming at us. What’s up, Tony? FCC regulation. Stop saying the sword. Oh, shoot. Okay, I’ve been using the wrong I’m sorry. So, well, he was in a he was a he was in professional wrestling. So, he’s huge. So, when we got married, uh he called me up about I don’t know what 3 weeks before the wedding and said00:37:53 – 00:38:43because he had to fit be fitted for a tuxedo and said, “I just want you to know I’m bulking up and he was already bulked up and huge.” He went in to get fitted. They didn’t have a shirt. They had to get like an extender to go around his neck that Wow. Yeah. My mother had to pin them together just so he could be, you know, in the We’re do I I rented a school bus. We’re talking He’s still alive. Yeah, he is. But he’s actually very in very good Well, he’s good shape.00:38:18 – 00:39:11Pretty good shape. He’s got two new hips. So, I mean, he’s he’s a truck driver. He’s um uh I would say he’s in he’s in better shape than most anybody in his age. I was just curious, you know, when I hear those big people like that. No, he’s he’s a lot he’s a lot leaner than he was back then, but yeah, he’s an amazing guy. He speaks like multiple languages. No, he doesn’t. He speaks Latin. Oh, well, he speaks Latin. Basically, Latin because he convert when00:38:45 – 00:39:48he converted to Catholicism, he learned Latin or he learned Latin phrases. So, he I wouldn’t Okay. Okay. I I reached I was on a reach on that. Four years of Latin in high school, but I never was around speaking it. No, I lived in a French vibe and I lived in a French-speaking country for two years, so I didn’t learn French fluently, but because I went to an English-speaking school, but you know, so anyway, yeah, we have very we have we have such great stories. Well, let me hear one. There’s a million. Pick one. But does it00:39:16 – 00:40:29start with us? Okay. No. Well, well, okay. So, in college, um, Greg went to University of, uh, or Oregon State University and I went down to Southern Oregon State and, um, I bought, uh, my car got stolen and I ended up buying a 1963 International Scout. This was a truck, which is kind of relevant to the story. It was like the option thing was on the the the window sticker was in the the glove box and it said doors were optional, wind, front window is optional, seats were optional. this one seat this stick. This thing was like 5500:39:53 – 00:40:50miles an hour. It’d be winding out. So, we took the top off and then we didn’t we had a bunch of friends. We went camping. We didn’t have room for the beer. So, we got my brother’s trailer and we filled it with ice and we had an entire trailer and these big circular casks, weren’t they? Right. They were something out of our warehouse. Yeah. And but the thing about that that that trip there on the internet, you put you took this bench and you put like a I don’t know a piece of wood underneath it00:40:22 – 00:41:23and slipped it into there. Yeah. We didn’t have back seats. There was no back seats. So my brother, my cousin and I were sitting back. No seat belt. And Jeff Gamro, what was that vehicle? Forester? No. International Scout. It was just like it it kind of saved my life later on. Well, yeah. I guess a scout goes out there with very Oh, it’s a super four-wheel drive. But yeah, that trip was just monumental. Well, then there was a time we were with on the international and you got food poisoning and I had and I had Greg00:40:53 – 00:41:51didn’t know how to drive a stick. I didn’t know how to drive a stick and this was not an easy stick and Scott was sitting there like bent over just moving the the ski gear shift while I’m trying to figure out how to use a clutch. Remember we’re teenagers, just young teenagers. We’re just like, “Oh Jesus, I forgot about that.” Oh yeah, that was Yeah. Oh, cuz he had his foot in and it Oh, goodness. Oh, and you had to hit it perfect. It was a great old car. Yeah, we had fun. We did. It was uh we we were00:41:23 – 00:42:18sort of adopted children in each of our families. Yeah. It was so funny because we’d go on campouts and stuff or we had a beach house and and Greg would always come stay at our beach house, but he’d have to go to mass with us on Sunday or Saturday night mass, go to church. So Greg was like, “God, I got to go to those Catholic people and and go to mass. I don’t even understand what’s going on.” Yeah. Greg’s just back there like, “What? What? What?” So back in00:41:50 – 00:43:012006, my brother and I converted to Catholicism. So yesterday was the first time that Scott and I actually did mass together as Catholics since uh ever. Yeah. Yeah. We Yeah. We went to mass back in in the 60s and 70s, but Yeah. Yeah. This is the first time. Yeah. So that was a unique thing. I have, you know, maybe I’m just in a dense fashion, but people converting from something that isn’t Catholic, Catholic to Catholic, not from Catholic. I’ve heard a lot of the from Catholic. Oh, I’m Catholic. Born and raised. But what00:42:25 – 00:43:22makes Catholic different than like one thing Jewish? You go and if you don’t know what you’re doing, you go, please speak English. I don’t know how you can go through this whole thing and not speak English and then tell me I should be here. I don’t know what you’re doing. Yeah, that that’s the strange thing strange thing about Catholicism and this and this is just a just a side note. When my grandfather was a mechanic for Consolidated Freightways, which he did his entire life in downtown00:42:53 – 00:44:02Portland, the Democratic Party would not let him join the Democratic Party because he was Catholic. Catholics weren’t allowed in the Democratic Party back at 1915, right in that area. No, Catholics were evil. They were those angry Irish men. And yeah, things have changed a lot. It makes you go back to Catholic. He married an amazing Irish woman or amazing Italian. Oh god, I’ll get hit for that. You’re going to hear about that. I’ll hear about that. 100% Italian. Yeah. Catholic Italian. Big00:43:27 – 00:44:36time Italian. Yeah. Yeah. But uh yeah my my so you when you talk about convert it’s not we weren’t Jewish we were Christian to Christian is how I kind of look at it you know really what the difference is is Catholicism versus Protestantism and so you know I I reached a point where I felt you know this was it made sense to me and it was it was it was uh very good for for my relationship with the family and um I I’ve I very much value what I what I get from the Catholic Church and uh I mean and I go00:44:03 – 00:45:05to other non-denominational churches as well. I mean there’s there’s they both have value and so Mhm. Um anyway, I don’t know where I’m going with that. That was good sharing, Greg. That was in this day and age, you know, where Yeah. I always think the young people young people seem I may be wrong are we don’t see attendance in churches as much because the young people just aren’t interested. So, when I hear someone’s converting, I’m thinking, we’re seeing a lot more00:44:34 – 00:45:42young people in church, this new generation that’s come up, these millennials, big time. It’s really cuz I I’ve seen so many maybe I’m just not out there now for these millennials and don’t know. Yeah. But I keep seeing things drifting into this giant techno. Yeah, there’s that kind of thing. Fun anecdote about Catholicism. I got to share this wonderful story. So, we just got the new Pope, Pope Leo. Okay. Back in 2008, uh my ex-wife and I took our kids to World Youth Day and we were chaperones00:45:08 – 00:46:18for World Youth Day. We went to New Zealand and Australia and World Youth Day in the Catholic Church is where the Pope goes and it’s a big youth rally. I see. So, we’re in New Zealand. Uh we went to this uh presentation by the new cardinal from the Philippines. And I his name escapes me. brand new cardinal. John Paul made him cardinal. He was going to ride in our bus with our group back to the next event. I sat with him for an hour and a half because the bus broke down and he was number two in line for being pope00:45:43 – 00:46:40this last goound. And I’m sitting here going, “Please, please, I want to say that.” Because when I looked him in the eye, I get chills thinking about the conversations I had with him. He was just I mean I met Mother Teresa when I was like six and I still remember the chills I got from that and that same thing when I met this man and I talked to him I’m like wow this guy’s got such energy and when I heard him talk and I’m just like just passionate when you’re around people like that and you’re just00:46:11 – 00:47:06like wow that feels good but I looked him in the eye when we were about to get on the bus and we were talking and just like we’re talking now this kind of stuff and I said you’re going to be pope someday and that’s the last thing I said to him, I’m like, “Please, please.” That would be so cool if I told the cardinal that he was going to be pope someday. Well, so he’s still alive. Oh, he was number two in line. He’s We’re the We’re the same age. So, he could still be00:46:38 – 00:47:31pope. He could be. We could, but that’s Yeah, this guy’s pretty healthy. This guy’s really healthy. I can’t believe they got an American. How in the heck? I I I kind of suspected that was going to happen. I had read about this guy and it very dynamic fellow. Yeah. But I mean there was you know Catholics rep American Catholics represent a large percent. It’s just what I read of the Catholic church and so there was some you tell me if I’m right or wrong but there seemed to that’s what I was00:47:05 – 00:47:57reading Scott that there was there was a lot of uh incentive to have an American maybe. But but he he’s he he did a lot of his ministries down in South America. He did he was always he was out of the country. Never been in the country. That’s true. Yeah. So when I hear him I he’s speaking Italian. It’s like I’m craving English. He’s just You just You just hit the bottom at the bottom of your screen and switch it to English. Yeah. Well, I’m I’m just anyone that’s00:47:31 – 00:48:28talking in a foreign language that I don’t understand to lots of people. And he pounds on the death stand. They need to speak English if they’re living here. Sorry. That was if I could poke you. If I could poke you. He was he was trying to poke me. That was Jesus. No, you know, it’s not that they need to speak. I’m talking about me personally. Yeah. And I’m talking about It’s not that they need to speak English, but to speak to me, they do. Yeah. Because I don’t know00:48:01 – 00:48:58that other language and I I’ve seen translations. It’s like hiring these internet people. Oh gosh. I don’t want to. This is Hey everybody, we’re about to get on. We’re going to watch Jason change color here. So, pay attention to the color of Jason’s face. He’s going to explain to you what he’s gone through trying to put his web page in line. Go for it, Jason. Talk about all those wonderful phone calls you’ve had. So, Jason, who is very he’s very intelligent man. I00:48:30 – 00:49:26love him dearly. But he gets these calls saying, “I’m going to fix your web page.” And Jason just they’re over there just reeling them in. Reeling them in. And then they well I then Jason’s telling me well this p well they I got to transfer you to somebody do this and then everybody’s like trying to take a piece of the action and Jason is a brilliant model to make Maui a better place. Gullible. Gullible. Gullible. No, you’re not gullible. What am I? What are you? I actually know what00:48:58 – 00:50:01it is. It’s called I expect people to come with the same level of truth. Truth. Speak your truth. Yeah. That I do. The golden rule. you want to be treated the way you would treat others and I grant them that space to do that and then I believe it right and Greg and I were talking he was talking about this show and I go a lot of times we there’s just so many things that are happening in our world nobody’s asking the questions why why why is Anthony Fouchy wanted in seven countries for crimes against00:49:30 – 00:50:32humanity we should probably all look at that and go yeah we should look at that go okay So they were doing biological weapon research and they were doing it and funding it with American money in China. Okay, we know that now. But we knew it then. How come I knew this when the whole thing started? You did. You were very good about that, Jason. You were really good about that. I didn’t have to dig too deep. But anyway, I guess like we say because the words that come out are controlled by someone who’s rewriting00:50:00 – 00:50:57the scripts in a way that they’ll go and touch this button. Oh, what we’ve been talked about this morning is there’s got is exploring ways that Scott and I can come together and ek out the truth of these things. Yeah. You know, we were actually talked about we quite a while now. Yeah. But a podcast or something, you know, where we take two different perspectives and try to bring them together. So, we we’ll each research one side and then just, you know, fight. Yeah. Yeah. Blood, guts. But he’ll be00:50:29 – 00:51:26somewhere off in where his wife has him live. But yeah, Arizona. Arizona. He wanted to move to Maui when he retired, but that wasn’t going to happen. So, what would that interesting little thing where his wife did hasn’t lived all that? No, no, I’m just teasing. No, they travels a lot. So, we uh we actually we’re from the Pacific Northwest. We now live in Arizona and we live with with my wife’s cousin and we have a great great life down there. So, and uh but I still like to come back here. This is sort of00:50:58 – 00:51:47my second home. It feels like it’s home since Scott’s been here. He’s been here a long time now. 10 years he’s been here. Well, I’ve been here this this go around. Yeah. Well, I love your stories about what you heard way back when on the farm and Oh, yeah. Those things are When you hear those things, what do you think? What I think is, well, what are we going to do about it? What are we going to do about it now? You’re going to rebuild again. What are you going to do about it? What do they do about it00:51:22 – 00:52:18now, Jason? They fund They give somebody $5 million to study something that they already had figured out. But are they doing it to stop it from happening? What are they doing to stop that rush coming down to Kihei? Well, I I I wrote in on the last meeting when they talked about that and I gave him a detailed letter. I probably should try to publish it somewhere else, but it’s pretty basic. I mean, anybody that’s worked around logging or anything like that, after they log, they definitely line up their00:51:51 – 00:52:52debris on the hillsides so that it creates a check sort of situation with the with the like the limbs and stuff so that it catches dirt and it creates a sort that log standard logging practices. Bottom line, you can’t just walk away from that or in the we see terrorist farming everywhere. We all know you look at Mochapishu or whatever in Peru, those beautiful rocket science, but we’re not doing anything like that. Well, we accidentally took those lines out, I think. You know, they the great environmental movement that00:52:21 – 00:53:12said we don’t want sugar cane here because of the chemicals and pesticides. All right. So, we’ve had what, three or four floods since then. So, what what’s being done? What’s Well, the floods they had before the water was clear. Yeah. But the floods that I’ve experienced, the condo that I stay at have been pretty severe and muddy and basically kept us from coming two times now. Right. With two feet of mud near. So what’s being learned from this is is this is you you’ve got a really good00:52:46 – 00:53:51point here with the check dams and and and what’s being done right cuz let’s say let’s say I had the money to buy one of those condos. Should I or is or I’m just it would be a waste of money because of the potential for all that all the feral land and Jason mentioned who bought up that pharaoh land up there along Hollyakala all the way up from behind the high school all the way I was talking about the west side JMB was a real estate company became JMB Afac remember that whole and that’s Danny00:53:18 – 00:54:13isn’t it that’s what Danny Necamara um I don’t know okay I don’t know all I know is when they stopped doing the farming You said it. No one was really watching the field. So, nobody was tending the land. No, it became wild. Wild enough that when it burns and the wind comes down like you said, you explained it. Yeah. But what I’m thinking about the Kihei side because we just need to go and swap and that now it goes down to the water and then it goes this way. How did that happen? Go. Someone said, “Oh,00:53:46 – 00:54:48I like that piece of land. Let’s swap.” Yeah. That’s not going to happen in 30 years. Now 30 years. We need to just go up there and then plow the land. pick up all the rocks and line them up like they used to be. I think somebody took all those rocks and made them into gravel. I think they just went out there and put them in a dump truck and they took them and ground them up and used them as you know. So this is not a this problem will continue how many ways we need to just deal with the bottom. We have to go back00:54:17 – 00:55:21up. We have to go up and terrace. That’s a lot of rain coming down. And you know how sugar cane um is so absorbent like the the stocks when they go dry when those fields used to be dry after the harvest and the chaff was there. That was like sponges laying on the hills. So when we got a hard drank it in drank it in and slowed it down. Yeah. Yeah. It’s not rocket science. No it isn’t. No. We’ve always had floods in K. Great. Isn’t that a great Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for recognizing that was a right00:54:49 – 00:55:39priority to jump on. Right, Scott. Yeah. Yeah, Greg. Exactly. You got three votes. Three votes. Yeah. Not rocket science. No, it’s been a good conversation. And that says what this about. It’s fun, isn’t it? Isn’t this fun? I told Greg, “This is really fun.” Jason says to I do want a caveat about the wind farms, though. I do think there’s value to them. I do, too. I was I did just the way you were phrasing it sound like I was No, I’m not against them. I just I am actually I think it’s00:55:14 – 00:56:07a technology that needs to be developed. It’s part of our energy portfolio. And I think that uh you know I I don’t think it’s wrong to have them. I guess that’s what but but putting all your eggs in that basket. I understand that and I totally agree with that. You know I I in fact I think you need to spread that out to all different technologies and different energy sources. Well, this is going to have to go to another show because we have about a minute and so left. Can you believe we chewed up an

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hour? First time I’ve ever done something like that. Last time I was on TV, Scott and I were what, five or six years old, the Ramblin Rod show in Portland, Oregon. My brother was a a director for a kid kids television program, and he did directing for the wrestling Portland wrestling. And so we all got prizes, right? He got the Lifebrite set and I got just a little package of archway cookies. I go, “How the hell was my birthday? It was my Is he allowed to say hell?” You could say hell. Well, you’re allowed at the00:56:08 – 00:57:01end of the I didn’t say anything. No, you didn’t. But it’s just I could feel it in the air. So much fun. Oh yeah. So, thank you for inviting me. Thank you for being here, Scott. It’s always fun. Jason, I’ll be back in January. Oh, you’ll come on again. Absolutely. By the way, we want the problem solved, though. You guys, you just got to hear a sort of a free running thing like out of the box. We’re out of the box. Oh, we’re way out of the box. Completely out of the00:56:35 – 00:57:29box. We went all over the place. We went from the pope coming back all of it. And I even said the word Trump twice. Oh my. You know, you didn’t go off on it either. I’m impressed. You’re you’re great. I want to do good things that no matter what happens, they’ll say those good things we can do no matter what politics done. We got 20 seconds left. So, I’m going to say goodbye to all of you and all of you and all of you. Peace. Check in again. Watch this show again as many times as you can and00:57:02 – 00:57:14you’ll start to understand it. Love comes in many ways and this is one of them.