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Show # 89– 6-3–2020 SEDINAM MOYOWASIFZA-CURRY, a Green Party 2020 Candidate for President of the United States with Jason Schwartz
Summary & Transcript
The video features an in-depth interview with Sedinam, a 2020 Green Party presidential candidate, conducted by Jason Schwartz. Sedinam, a fourth-generation farmer and activist from South Central Los Angeles, shares her personal journey, political philosophy, and vision for the United States. She emphasizes the urgent need for systemic change in American society, focusing on ecological wisdom, social justice, and the deconstruction of capitalism. Sedinam critiques the current capitalist system as unsustainable and calls for a new economic model grounded in ecological economics and social equity. She also addresses the intertwined nature of racism and capitalism, highlighting America’s deeply rooted structural racism and its ongoing consequences.
Sedinam articulates her commitment to making the Green Party the first openly anti-racist political party in the U.S., advocating for actionable policies and public engagement. She proposes immediate initiatives such as instituting a Department of Anti-Racism, revamping education to be free and critical-thinking focused, and addressing systemic sexism and patriarchy. Sedinam envisions a presidency that fosters genuine public participation, including inviting Americans to stay in the White House and prioritizing children and youth in governance.
Throughout the interview, Sedinam demonstrates her leadership experience and practical understanding of political campaigns, emphasizing the long-term nature of social change. She encourages collaborative efforts to redefine America’s future by confronting its painful history honestly and pushing for an inclusive, sustainable, and equitable society. The conversation concludes with Sedinam’s symbolic gesture of wanting to paint the White House green, signaling a fresh start grounded in ecological and social justice principles.
Highlights
- [03:07] Sedinam’s background as a fourth-generation farmer deeply connects her to ecological wisdom and the earth.
- [06:36] Sedinam explains the need to deconstruct crony capitalism for a sustainable, equitable system.
- [13:29] ✊ Racism and capitalism are “conjoined twins,” rooted in America’s imperialist and exclusionary origins.
- [19:08] ⚖️ Sedinam stresses the necessity of becoming the first openly anti-racist political party to dismantle systemic racism.
- [31:20] Sedinam proposes a Department of Anti-Racism and a month-long public engagement initiative on national identity.
- [42:24] Education must be free from zero to PhD, emphasizing critical thinking as essential to societal progress.
- [50:08] Sedinam’s vision of painting the White House green symbolizes ecological sustainability and a new American era.
Key Insights
- [03:07] Connection to the Earth as a Political Foundation: Sedinam’s identity as a farmer roots her political values in ecological wisdom. This connection highlights the Green Party’s emphasis on environmental sustainability, framing ecological health as inseparable from human and social well-being. Her perspective reminds us that politics must address the planet’s limits and humanity’s role within natural systems rather than dominating them.
- [06:36] Critique and Deconstruction of Crony Capitalism: Sedinam differentiates between capitalism as a theory and the current U.S. model, which she calls “crony capitalism” marked by corporate welfare and lack of accountability for natural resources. This critique underscores the systemic flaws fueling economic inequality, environmental degradation, and social unrest. She advocates for a “green system change” that integrates ecological economics, suggesting a paradigm shift away from extraction and toward regeneration.
- [13:29] ✊ Historical Roots of Structural Racism Intertwined with Capitalism: Sedinam situates America’s racial inequalities within its colonial and imperialist origins, emphasizing that multiple groups—including women, Black Americans, Native Americans, and immigrants—were systematically disenfranchised. Understanding this history is crucial to grasping today’s persistent systemic racism. Her analysis calls for honest acknowledgment of this past as a prerequisite for transformative justice.
- [19:08] Anti-Racism as a Political Imperative: Sedinam’s call for the Green Party to become the first openly anti-racist party reflects the urgency of dismantling institutional racism through concrete policy and cultural change. She highlights how anti-racism requires ongoing evaluation and challenge of laws, procedures, and societal norms, not just symbolic gestures. This approach positions anti-racism as foundational to genuine social equity.
- [31:20] Democratic Public Engagement and Institutional Innovation: Sedinam’s plan to launch a national public engagement initiative to define America’s future at its 300-year mark reveals her commitment to participatory democracy. Creating a Department of Anti-Racism within the presidential cabinet institutionalizes these values, signaling that anti-racism must be embedded structurally in governance rather than treated as an optional agenda.
- [50:08] Symbolism of Painting the White House Green: Sedinam’s desire to paint the White House green is a powerful metaphor for ecological renewal and political transformation. It signifies a break from traditional political symbolism toward a future that values sustainability, inclusivity, and systemic change. This imagery captures the Green Party’s ethos and Sedinam’s vision for a new America defined by healing and respect for the planet.
Additional Observations
Sedinam’s candid and detailed responses demonstrate a sophisticated understanding of complex issues such as capitalism, racism, ecological economics, and political strategy. She balances idealism with pragmatism, acknowledging the challenges of running as a third-party candidate while asserting the importance of long-term organizing and public education. Her focus on inclusivity—through hiring practices, public engagement, and youth involvement—reflects a holistic vision of democracy. The interview also reveals her willingness to confront difficult truths about America’s history and current political dynamics, positioning her campaign as both a critique and an invitation to reimagine the nation’s future.
Her emphasis on leadership, both personal and collective, suggests that transformative change requires courage, honesty, and collaboration. Sedinam’s integration of environmental, racial, and economic justice into a coherent platform exemplifies the intersectional politics increasingly necessary to address the multifaceted crises facing the U.S. and the world today.
Transcript
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[Music] record i’m recording three two aloha everyone i’m jason schwartz your host of the neutral zone mauineutralzone.com i have a very special guest here today i have pseudonym Sedinam why don’t you give everyone your name as you’d like to uh have it know aloha hello greetings from south central los angeles we are on native land my name on the ballot is pseudonym curry my full name ayape fatima Sedinamam kinamu now if you are uh the last name is curry spell that for us can you mo i’m gonna
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pronounce it mo yo irish curry it’s a hyphenated name i see well do you mind if i call you pseudonym of course not okay good i love my name let me share with you people in the audience uh Sedinam is running to be president of the united states from the green party and i have a lot of a a lot of affinity for the green party in 92 94 and 96 of that last century when the green party was just starting in hawaii i was a candidate in fact ran for mayor in in 1994 and um this year we have a need of values and um
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in running for president if you win i would say you’d be a long shot because of what’s going on and especially we’re in the middle of this covered crisis so you getting out there as a candidate is difficult so i thought why don’t i do my part and share with the people of hawaii and the world people that have the gumption to run for president united states from the green party and um so thank you for joining me here today really happy to have you the same i’ve enjoyed all of our
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conversations and i’m very proud of your run to make the green party a party of importance in your state i’m very grateful absolutely and uh i don’t think we have any candidates running here locally but i think that the values that i hold so dear from the green party i have all kinds of colors and persuasions of people and ideas but what is it that drew you to the green party this isn’t your first time running i understand no i i like to take a step back i i’m a fourth generation farmer
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i come from a a long line of agricultural soil and earth first love from my family so from the beginning of my existence i understood the damage that our life as human beings was having on our planet our mother earth and i knew like the rest of my generations understood that the earth does not need us we human beings have a dysfunctional existence with this planet that is hosting us so i understood that there needed to be a paradigm shift in our species awareness and understanding about our it’s not even a coexistence
we need the earth the earth does not need us to exist so i’ve always known because i’m i’m a dirt i’m a soil person that the majority of our species does not understand in the end nature will always win i’ve always known that so my parents have been supportive of the green party before us but i you know being raised in california i’m 58 so i was born in 1962. so my view of the world is from a proactive one because my parents folks in my community we got the first black councilman
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in my district we got gilbert lindsey before him on the council was tom bradley who became the first black mayor shirley chisholm ran for president so i grew up looking at the system working so unlike my parents i did not embody the um this the lived history of racism as my parents had so i knew the green party exists because they had voted they were nader raiders but i thought because of my experience you know as a black californian seeing the progress that through the democratic party we could exist but guess who taught me
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my lesson al gore when al gore i voted for him i will never vote for a corporate democrat again in my life because i held my nose because of ralph because of lieberman and thought that okay we gotta compromise so we can get what we want yeah thank goodness i was 40 years old and i challenged myself you’re brilliant you’re smart you have all this stuff why aren’t you working to change a nation that has made it possible for you to be who you are and i had to suck it up and be honest that what party
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embodies my values and when you look at the key values the four pillars ecological wisdom and i’m you know i’m eco-friendly being a you know being a farmer so the green party did but i understood that our party our social justice platforms were inadequate in order to addressed and arrest the flaws of our nation’s beginning so i knew joining that ending white privilege deconstructed capitalism into a more eco-friendly earth friendly was something that i had to do and i had to bring with me
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when you say deconstructing capitalism i think what that means to me is making it more user-friendly meaning a little more social sharing is that what you mean i mean what does capitalism deconstruction mean oh okay the capitalism that’s being used now is crony and corporate capitalism not that it’s the best system but the system that’s been involved in what we’re dealing is destructive it is treacherous because there’s no account for land air water sea there’s corporate uh welfare in the level of
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capitalism we see here in the u.s there’s no backing of a monetary system it’s all fake and phony we saw it in the uh that was that not the dot com what’s the last one they did ripped off homeowners so this capitalization is not built to sustain but we have to deconstruct capitalism because this capitalism is not the capitalism of four other strains so i believe that most people don’t understand capitalism it’s not a good system most people don’t understand socialism i in fact facilitated the eco-socialism
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workshops in 2016 i had to grow and evolve to green system change which eco-socialism isn’t and what happens is that there’s no clear path right now for looking at ecological economics because no one has designed it to put benchmarks on a 5 10 15 so our campaign started this conversation months ago but we started it in a measurable way last month so the every problem has a solution so i believe we have enough brain power enough intelligence enough and enough lived experiences with the planet and best practices to
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come up with the system green system change that’s based on ecological wisdom because you have to accept as our species no other species pays to eat and live on the planet except for us birds don’t need a credit card cows don’t well well yes when you’re talking about a system change i bet we can agree that most people uh on hearing something like that are going to be in shock so i’m sure well again i’m saying most people are going to be in shock just like right now and i we
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get a check a stimulus check to all of us who would ever qualify of twelve hundred dollars what is twelve hundred dollars it’s a one-time thing for some people it’s a land it’s a lot of money for some people it’s a little money what about next month what are we doing to change things to make things sustainable all these people are going to be suddenly dumped back with no help into working and their jobs won’t be there 40 million americans out of work we’re giving away food we’re trying to
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figure out how to deal with it this will take discussion that’s all i’m saying when you talk about ego if you heard me i said we started a conversation all of us need to agree on some basic things capitalism isn’t working you us getting a thousand to two hundred dollars a month based on this system it’s not sustainable well and i’m just saying even what they’re doing now we know what’s working on now is not working okay you were just born or practically when our president
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nixon and his lack of great wisdom in my opinion went off the gold standard with our money and suddenly they we could print and we are now the whole world is is not based on anything real and tangible it’s based on air and so when we used to talk about a trillion dollars and three trillion dollars in debt we just doubled and tripled that in the last couple of months so jason you heard me say that this capitalism has no backing so you and i agree on that so i’m not i’m starting with facts this
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capitalism is not sustainable you have already agreed with me that’s something not working third thing is that it’s not based on anything tangible every adult american can agree on those three things we can agree i don’t believe anybody would be blown away about the truth because we live it right i’m you also uh happen to be black and i know that’s no surprise to you or me and yes uh i have never it really is funny when i grew up my father was a manager of wt grant company i don’t know if they were around when
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you were a little girl probably woolworths and then they became freskies and kmart and all that kind of stuff right but his first store was at 125th street in broadway in the middle of harlem and so i see pictures of me as a little kid you know we’re the only white people everybody else is black i never had a color issue and then i went to high school and i was the there was one black girl in our school and that was the daughter of arthur pryczock the singer janarda price act yes i do it was when i first became aware
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because i in my own school that people kind of were distant more because she was black and that was and i graduated high school in 1969 and i thought we were making real progress socially and and suddenly maybe it’s not suddenly you can probably tell me from living it but i never never saw racial issues but then i heard them in the news but now it’s just so what do you think is going on right now i’m i’m switching the subject but but no i’ll i’ll it’s all related racism
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capitalism are conjoined twins you always have to step back we just had the 1619 project with the new york times they they coined this based on when the first africans were brought here enslaved to that the 13 colonies so one these the us was based on 13 english colonies they came here against the wishes of the native people here so first and foremost the u.s and in the green party platform they got it wrong too this was not an experience a positive experience this was imperialism colonism at its
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worst the first group that started forming you know as the you know the tea party all that the history we all know they didn’t allow european americans dna because there’s no such thing as whiteness that’s a construct that needs to be deconstruct you could not vote in america even if you were european dna unless you were a what a land owner that’s class the second group that couldn’t vote women european-american women this year we celebrate the 100th year of suffrage women suffer to be able to vote we’re
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almost 300 years old so that’s two-thirds of this existence that women couldn’t vote so you gotta accept that one the majority of european dnas did not have land couldn’t vote from the beginning two european women could not vote next group us black americans we were considered three-fifths of a human being that started over 240 years ago next group native americans native americans who land was stolen and then everybody else you know asian folks anybody other immigrants indians you know from india so these are five
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groups of americans that were not allowed from the beginning out of those 13 colonies that came in to be a nation were not allowed to vote so i i believe if people are honest about the history of our nation nothing that’s happening should shock anybody we push people having stopped having cognitive dissidence i i can’t because one my grandmother on my father’s side was purchased for 300 out of slavery remember i’m 58 on my my on my mother’s side my mother was accepted into a wonderful
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university but the european you know not upper class in her in their area killed my grandfather because why dare this black girl go to college and they weren’t so mine is an actual lived history and again i’m a fourth generation farmer so we’ve always been connected to the land so i believe every american needs to say honestly from the beginning of america we had it wrong we were not a perfect union we were not a great experiment this was a racist sexist classes society were there some good ideas
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in that yes i salute the flag i sing the songs because my america represents the best of who we are we fought a civil war because of this me i am proud of every american of every hue every nationality who fought so that i could go to school i could be the president of america so this we all have to accept that who we are was paid for with blood with humility with love with caring for to make a perfect union so i think all my brothers and sisters have to acknowledge that we cannot live in isolation of
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all these issues that i named the four five groups so if so you want to deny the existence of the pain and blood that our freedom that we have today was fought and one with so now today today we are facing we’re watching for the last eight days outbreaks every night nine days nine okay too much and it was all because of a horrible experience that i’ve heard police officers just in horror over what happened and uh i’ve seen things not exactly but quite like that here in maui hawaii believe it or not so uh i know that this
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problem exists and it doesn’t only exist with blacks but sure is the focus right now but um what do you think is going on now how can we solve this and kind of take the temperature down do you have any feeling for that um well three things first you have to understand that george floyd was murdered in cold blood yeah any human being that sees that feels rage because it was it was murder no one is accepting that that murder was acceptable i’ve not met anyone nobody who said it was okay so that shows our humanity as americans
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as global citizens the second thing is unfortunately for black americans the enslavement of us was just amped to other things structural racism still exists this last month there have been five people killed senselessly so this is not the first i could name ron settles i was in college in 1991 natasha harlan sandra bland tamir rice fruit station in oakland so people i mean you there’s you can’t see that and know it’s acceptable so one of the things i you know i shared with you earlier
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i’ve been saying to our party how we change the dynamics of our nation becoming the openly anti-racist party in america and being anti-racist is what has to happen because without challenging laws legislation rules procedures and processes that allow systematic racism to exist it will keep happening we the only way you end it is deconstruct it challenge it and keep evaluating everything so no one is subjected to what has consistently been going on in our nation for the last 400 years i shared with you a flyer we did an
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open read and again well you don’t know but i’m degreed in black studies and the only reason i went to college is because all 13 of my beautiful intelligent brothers were arrested and went to jail and i i just the only reason i went to school was to find out why how come my brother’s all gone to jail racism structural racism so i i knew from the beginning of my life that something wasn’t right but it took really devin like really figuring out the core of it it’s racist ideas
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and then people who consume racist ideas and many of us don’t understand that we use language that’s racist up until august last year i was a racist i did not realize that me calling ghana west africa a developing country was a concept in racism in fact ghana’s not developing it’s a nation that’s recovering from colonization now when you speak the truth it doesn’t sound good but it’s better than saying developing the us is a developing nation we have not got it right
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we have the majority i mean where 13 of the population but we disproportionate the disparities and housing jobs education we’re not developed no developed nation would allow its citizens to be subjected to the level of violence and intrinsic pressure that we’ve experienced i see now racism as a mental health issue and i’ve challenged our party to address racism and we can do it we’ve made ecology sexy everybody wants to be green they don’t give us credit but the green party brought green into the
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mainstream we can bring anti-racism into the mainstream as well our platform is about ending racism let’s start and become the openly anti-racist party right now next month in 2020 we will not only get valid access we’ll take the white house well um i only have thing a couple of things to say about that one when we have already seen in our short-lived time together you and i that the green party is a party very much like the other parties and structured like the other parties and the it may not have a racial prejudice
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but even in trying to set up interviews or things you hear people with all their opinions so early about getting the word out only for those that are qualified and that bothers me you know well here’s the thing 80 of greens are decent people you contacted me that’s how i’ve been able to keep managing i’ve set up our campaign has been the setup behind all the debates all the online debates so here’s the good thing we can pull it off those 20 do not dominate our intelligence we’re critical
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thinkers you know it’s not right i know it’s not right and what are we doing about it you had this interview right now the state of oregon has listed all of us the state of ohio because i stood up and some of the candidates joined me to make sure that everybody’s voice was heard now everybody has to stand up it’s that simple greens are not stupid they know i mean think about look at the two people who they are pushing for they’re not getting billions of dollars billions of votes
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i’m still on number three without being recognized i i’m going to win a state i just got a letter of endorsement you’ll hear about it so nobody’s buying that maybe 20 are buying it but let’s guarantee that we left that and we will leave it again this fight we’re having is to save our party from that 20 but we’re gonna kumbaya them into the next century i’m not concerned i see what has happened in ohio in chicago when you stand for justice truth follows i’m not concerned at all
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we have a tested convention i’ve told howie and dario your cowards move on you don’t have to be a good leader but you need to learn how to lead so i uh liberty or death i know and death means death in your your thinking like that backwards mentality how can you have three men only be recognized when you have the majority of people in the world women that shows a structural inequality what kind of leader are you if you couldn’t stand up for me there was another woman running i stood up for her i do not agree with
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who she is but she said she wanted to run imma share my time i’m green so if you can’t do that you i’m gonna talk about you out loud and i’m talking about everybody who’s voting for you you are behind you this person can stand up for women to be included i don’t want a coward leading me i will not support them that’s honest i very much appreciate your fire and that you’re standing up no seriously um you know um when i hear about you as someone you know it depends who’s
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who’s talking and who’s listening i very much appreciate that you’re eloquent to what you say you’re not just standing up with a lot of hot air you’re very substantive um what do you think is happening here this year with all that’s going on how are we going to defuse i mean we may not have the answer how can we defuse all these issues that are going on now number one the ovid thing number two the racism that’s now when i see these things in different cities it concerns me that the
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people that are looting have nothing to do with the people that are standing for their principles they seem to be very separate groups nothing to do with each other yet they’re being lumped in together and somehow the people that are listening want to talk about uh all that’s happening as the lefts and you know you hear all kinds of stuff in the media um how are we going to come together and move from where we are now how can you help that i mean it’s really simple it’s about leadership
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this sunday we’re having the second of an open book reading and discussion on how to become anti-racist the solution to our nation’s problem is simple anti-racism if people of color know that you are making a genuine attempt to address the inequalities that we’ve experienced who would not support you it’s not great surgery this sunday that’s coming up how do people find out about that um pseudonym 2020 facebook group pseudonym 2020 our website i have a flyer and i’ve been posting it on all the
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facebook groups we’ll be sending that as well as the three questions you’ve asked me i’ve answered almost every on every interview for the last nine days so i’ll be i’ll be attaching that my thoughts on george ferguson and those two questions you’ve asked me you mean george george floyd right yes i’m sorry i’m sorry that’s all right a lot of talking the last night i think it’s important for our audience to know pseudonym is spelled [Music] s-e-d-i-n-a-m yes i’m very grateful so this is
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brain surgery we can do it green party imagine jay we come up with a platform by and before our uh july convention we vote and become the first openly anti-racist party in america we win 40 of americans don’t vote they don’t and look what happened to bernie sanders there was an exodus of democrats like myself i understand because i was sucked into al gore so when these folks come to us it changes thy dynamics for the whole nation if we are anti-racist i can pull it takes 15 to poll to get into the nationally
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televised debate black educated woman whose leadership is unquestionable i didn’t just start saying this every event i’ve gone to every everything has been about being anti-racist being black 58 years you know and you can see what the issues are that shows the substantive substance i have as a human being and as a leader i know it’s uncomfortable but if i can challenge myself i can challenge my party and we have the principles and pillars that support it they’re not adequate but this is the long game
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greens we have to do the long game we’re not even 50 years old our nation is going to be 300 so we have we have a chance to take the leadership 2020. you can do it and we can do it so let’s i’m running a camera a little bit ahead okay now madam um we have you in office any things that any things that come up in you that you immediately want to change or you feel like you have the capacity to immediately change oh yes having the open discussion about who we want to be at 300 as a nation
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nowhere and no time in our nation’s development has every american been surveyed about what it is they want see and feel about our nation so first we’re going to do public engagement that starts on the first day i’m in the white house we are going to do a full month of public engagement about who we want to be at 300. that gives us a long game the second thing on the first day is i will institute the department of anti-racism it would become a department within my cabinet third thing is challenging capitalism
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we have to rethink ecological wisdom based on ecological economics there are best practices in the world in how we stop taking this is extracting from the earth and start figuring out it’s a paradigm shift here as a nation what do we do so that we can live in harmony with the earth not what we can take and this capitalism is about taking not sustaining not regenerating not supporting we have to become resilient as a species so those are the three immediate things i would do oh yeah i put the solar
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panels back up and i would paint the white house green it would be green i’m gonna send a clear message to the world clear i like that one i’ll paint with you come on and i’m gonna and i’m gonna invite people to stay in the white house i will set up three rooms that americans from every state can spend a week a week in the white house just like no this is your house you should be able to come and stay i’ll be having dinner with an american with a group of americans every week
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for the entire four years those folks who stay in the house will come and have dinner with me and my family oh yes we have to change the dynamics and i want every child to vote this is before i run we’re setting up the american children and youth debate for all presidential candidates so children have to be an integral part of our presidency because what we do now affects their lives so children are going to get a seat children and youth will have departments within my presidency in my cabinet
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so now let’s just for a second i don’t want to get too specific but um i could talk about you don’t have any specific people lined up for a secretary you haven’t chosen officers and things yet i mean um what what i’m going to do is ask for suggestions this won’t be an inside job it’s not who helped me in the campaign i want the top 10 people of every cabinet names to be put forward we have open interviews with the american people so that people come up with plans these
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10 people if three of them rank choice voting then they they’re that’s it it’s not based on who i like i want the people to vote because you’ve hired me and i want you to hire the rest of my cabinet as well it would also be fair to say that you would look at what you’ve got and you probably are but look at what you’ve got before you clean sweep right i mean i know that we’ve had a lot of people that have had careers that have a lot to offer that are already there in place
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i’m sure uh civil servants would not be moved we’re talking about political appointees government is intact so i’m not nobody will lose their job no but all political appointees will be vetted by american people okay same way i’ve been i don’t believe anybody should be kiss butt in order to get a job and i don’t have to you don’t have to like everybody we if we are committed to the goals that the american people voted me for they will also see that in you and we can work together
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i’m not afraid of conflict at all as you can tell you know you’ve got this light on me and i’m sweating well you know please excuse me i just wanted to be sure that you had um enough light so people could see who you are look let’s suppose you’d pot it’s possible you might not win in november so if that were to happen um how would you be directing some of your time and energy because i’m sure that as people are listening they’d like to embrace a lot about you and we don’t know where things are going
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where people will cast their votes but you have a lot to say and a lot of things that could continue to happen with or without your presidency definitely our campaign in no was it last november we started the shirley chisholm people of color political training institute so every bit of knowledge i learned right there unless the green party deals with racism we’re just talking green values if there’s you know no no addressing disparities it’s just talk so i we set that up and we’ve been holding meetings and
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doing things we’re recruiting people of color and anybody that cares about real green values and understanding racism and ecological wisdom and economies then they can be trained and learn and groom i mentioned this is a long game our nation has less than 60 years to become 300 this is not a quick fist fix it’s a long game i won’t stop being green i won’t stop being who i am i joined the green party knowing those are the three things i need to work on and i i won’t stop doing that that’s my
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commitment the only one of the only ways i was able to get this level of connection i’ve been to 45 states is because i ran for president i had run and i believe this is one of the issues in a little our young party people should not jump up and run for president back in 20 2008 i ran for vice president and i was the de facto campaign manager for all the candidates in 2008 and what happened was it taught me how to run a campaign it taught me how to network it taught me what’s needed at that level
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nationally one of the reasons you see me articulate i know how to deal with things i can make things happen i was trained through that process i believe everybody should run for vice president first nobody should run for president unless they ran for vice president because it gives you an insight into how things are getting done the second thing is that i was a campaign manager for our nominee in 2008 that gave me advantage as well as a campaign manager for a governed a gubernatorial candidate so one of the ways our campaign has done
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more work than the presidential support committee is because we have the knowledge none of those folks had the knowledge who are over these committees to do this i have been advising and directing this whole campaign as i did for the last one i’m a professional meeting planner so i can set up anything in 10 minutes yeah so this is just my is my second nature i’ve been working with everybody to set up debates to set up press i’ve given more given more help to more people than the whole green party has
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so they they’re at a disadvantage because there’s not mine equal in terms of professionalism every major step that’s been set up our campaign has done it well i’m hoping that this interview can be put out widely and be of some value to you in your campaign i appreciate it i really very much have appreciated you and your your power and presence you’re not shying away from any issues uh any issues besides racism that are on the tip of your tongue that you’d like to address
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sexism our nation we have to address the inequalities and the disparities in wages and rights for women we are a super majority but it’s a mindset so we have to deconstruct patriarchy and have to really call men to task and women we we got to change how we relate to each other for sure too i’m i’m more thinking down in the nuts and bolts you know working here um i’m not going to say when you get to the white house or whether you are we have democrats and republicans that dominate
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the house of representatives and the senate and values wise i i myself think that green can be conservative or liberal or anywhere in between because the basic tenets of the green party really come from the heart i and so it’s they always have attracted me so i think of them as apolitical but we’re in a political arena here so um what other things can you see yourself practically uh advising on i’m i’m looking for your wisdom in other areas sexism and racism what about spending of dollars on
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education or how we how do we revamp the financial system part of this the main thing is literacy and literacy is just not reading and writing it’s critical thinking education to for me should be free from zero to phd if we want to compete as a nation we have to have the most educated and enlightened citizenry so my goal is to to wipe out any need for money for education everybody in our nation must become educated i am a proud product of head start in public education i’m in california and pat
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brown governor brown he set up the university system that i went through though i’m now settled with debt you know advancing my education i could not be who i am without free free education so i know that every american has to have education be it vocal training academic we all have to be critical thinkers the majority of folks in prison are there because of lack of education every social problem we have is rooted in ignorance about something so if we take re reimagine our society of one that’s
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loving and heartfelt not that we don’t have to defend ourselves because i’m a gun owner so i think it’s how you approach dialogue discussion and critical thinking are important there is an italian i want to say he’s argentinian psychologist who gave it was an experiment where he had mice and he put all the wonderful luxuries that mice would like and then he took and put all the bad things the mice did better with the good stuff so i think we do better with good stuff and we just have the this cronie
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capitalism has disproportionately affected the majority of americans that we don’t even see a path to be all we can be no one wanted to wake up to be stupid i don’t think that’s nobody was built to be stupid we haven’t given them the love the support and the resources to be resourceful to to do what it is they were put on earth to do we are cheating ourselves out of brilliant artistic loving so much i was i was uh downtown two days ago you know with the protest there was an older brother
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not sure if he was blind but he had some some health issues his voice was angelic i i was stopped he was just humming but i heard him i stopped and listened for 15 minutes and he he was like is somebody there i’ve been listening to you for 15 minutes i said you need to go to opera school he said you’re right you know so we did some discussions about how to make that happen you know and i was so in the moment and enjoying it it didn’t dawn on me to record it know but it was like his humming stopped me and then he
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went into a melody then he went into fossetta then he started speaking and singing italian my goodness well he was just standing on the street what was he doing he was sitting on the side of a building you know getting his stuff together he was sleeping on the street but i i use a walker so i was i’m not fast so i was kind of moving slow and his hum caught my attention yeah so i just stopped and sat down and he just was entertaining himself and i think i might have said wow you know i might have made a noise or something out
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of excitement and he said are you listening to me yes i’ve been here 15 minutes and it was just marvelous that’s wonderful yes so i believe as human beings that we cheat ourselves by not ensuring that everyone’s their best self how many songs how many pieces of art how many inventions how many solutions to problems are we cheating ourselves out of by not providing a platform for everybody to be their best i believe we’re cheating ourselves and racism cheats us sexism cheats us capitalism cheats us i want the best
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from everybody and we deserve it so let’s create a system that allows the best of who we are as this species to spring forward and it can happen are delightful you sound more like you know uh uh i want to say a leader of a rally i i’m trying to think of you as president you know i i i guess you’re the kind of person i’d like to be part of what you’re doing because it sounds like you’re looking for people like me and yes i am we just have to join forces yep it only takes 15 of greens
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to tip us to that 25 and then when we get on the national stage our party will shine the majority i’ve been to 45 states in my runs for vice president and now president i could be at a supermarket i’m getting ready to pay the checker says they paid for you i can be at a toll booth oh they paid for you i could be at a gas station they paid for you america we’re ready we’re ready i love my nation i could not be who i am without americans i’m a product of a nation that has a heart for good
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any crisis we show up look at european americans standing in front of police with black lives matter we’re ready don’t believe the hype don’t believe the news don’t buy their narratives we love each other we support each other i don’t believe it because i live it every day i today my neighbor for about a about two months now you know because we’re quarantined i mean we’re locked down so i listened to her two children and the grandmother and i play with them you know not
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physically but make storms like today we were pretending we were having snow i didn’t know that they were they were not allowed to be throwing their plant stuff but i’m all with them on the other side so the mom you know i wanted to ask her about something so she’s outside with her new baby and i’m talking to her about her about what we did today earlier when she wasn’t here and she said to me something my mother told me that they don’t fight when i’m not here i scream yes i’ve been trying to
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figure out how to tell her that we don’t have any problems unless you’re home and you know we have that level of honesty and her grandmother alessandro so i spoke to the grandmother because we enjoy each other the four of us all the time without her and she said my my mother’s awesome i said she is she’s a keeper because only time there’s problem is when you’re home that’s funny so having that level of care for each other is what we have is what we need is what we must demand from each other
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will it be uncomfortable yes but we can get past that if we can get past the enslavement the broken treaties a civil war we can mend heal reconcile and love each other for the next 60 years so america is a perfect union i want to sing my song it’s paint so you’re painting the white house make a house green paint the white house green won’t you help me to paint the white house green pseudonym 2020 join me i got you for a week at the white house 2020 well you’ve been really a pleasure
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to talk to i um me too i um wish you the very best and i hope that everyone that’s viewing will give you careful and strong consideration because uh you too have a lot to say s-e-d-i-t a screenshot can you do a shot of us sure i don’t know how to do it well i’ll be making screenshots and sending them to you here’s my little hawaiian uh shocker can you do one of those there we go get it in screen where am i you gotta oh there we go now aloha is truly i love the heart you’re really a from the heart candidate
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i am i’m wearing red you’ve got white behind you and blue we got the right colors red white and blue uh we’re here we’re the new america well it has been a great pleasure to be here with you i um hope we can do this again before november please host the debate i told you host a debate well we gotta rustle up some people we’ll see where that happens how’s it looking how’s it looking did you get your volunteers the fact of the matter is a lot of people talk about it but they want
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somebody else to handle it that should be the case here but i i know that what we’re doing right now you and i have a great call and uh we’ll we’ll see whether where it goes between now and no
