Sheila Walker – More than a Pretty Face

Jason invited Sheila Walker to the Neutral Zone to sit in a casual environment and not a political rally. She ran the last 2 election cycles, and is a REPUBLICAN. I never found her to be especially Right Fringe Republican and I thought she might give our audience a chance to better see the Woman, not the Republican candidate. I think you’ll appreciate the hour.

Sheila Walker has been a candidate for public office twice as a Republican in the 2 last election cycles, and plans to run again. In a very Democrat state, Jason chose to talk with her and see why she feels she has a good chance to win.

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  • • Introduction and Guest Background
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  Maui Neutral Zone podcast studio with Jason speaking into a microphone, showcasing local community engagement and environmental awareness.

  Jason Schwartz welcomes viewers to the Neutral Zone show in October 2025, introducing Sheila Walker, a longtime Maui resident and community figure.

• Sheila Walker has been on Maui since 2016, almost 10 years, and is described as an active community member.
• Sheila’s relocation to Maui was unplanned; she came originally for her parents’ 60th anniversary party and extended her stay, which turned into a decade-long residency.
• Prior to Maui, Sheila lived in Peru for four years, drawn by the rich textile culture. She was a fashion designer and clothing manufacturer in New York City before selling her business and relocating to Peru to work with local artisans on embroidery and beadwork.
• Sheila maintains limited contact with the remote Peruvian village she lived in, where infrastructure is minimal (no electricity, no running water, no internet).
• She plans to organize a gallery exhibit showcasing the textiles collected from Peru to share that cultural experience with the Maui community.
• Sheila grew up in Missouri but spent significant time in Brooklyn, New York, where she thrived in the fashion business and developed an appreciation for efficiency and results-driven approaches, traits she associates with New Yorkers and reflected in Donald Trump’s style of leadership.
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  • • Views on Politics, Community, and Leadership
• Sheila identifies as a Republican with a strong emphasis on being “real,” pragmatic, and focused on results rather than partisan extremes.
• She acknowledges President Trump’s effectiveness in getting things done but expresses concern about the lack of compassion and the harsh methods sometimes used, especially the impact on people who may be suffering from policy decisions.
• Sheila highlights the complexity of governing a large, financially imbalanced government and criticizes the bailout system, pointing out the 2008 bank bailout as an example of injustice toward ordinary people.
• She emphasizes that both political parties contain good and corrupt people and encourages moving beyond partisan divisions, especially at the local level, to focus on community welfare.
• Sheila actively participates in local forums, county council meetings, and community associations such as Maui Meadows and Kihei, focusing on issues like short-term rentals (STRs).
• She attended and reported on the “No Dictator, No King” rallies, where she faced Jasonility due to misconceptions about her political affiliation. She observed that some protesters equated Trump with authoritarianism, which she believes stems from his provocative style and pushing governmental limits.
• Sheila is concerned about the polarization and the fear some people have about openly expressing their political views due to potential backlash. She advocates for unity despite disagreement, emphasizing humanity over political bickering.
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  • • Security, Social Stability, and AI Concerns
• Sheila prefers military presence over uncontrolled riots, citing examples of armed guards in other developed countries as a norm for maintaining order.
• She criticizes the political spin and obstinate attitudes that complicate coordination between local and federal forces.
• Sheila expresses worry about future elections, including fears about the 2028 election and possible constitutional changes allowing a third presidential term. She views much of this as speculative or fear-mongering.
• The discussion turns to the impact of artificial intelligence (AI):
  • Sheila is concerned about AI’s potential for misinformation, including deepfakes that can fabricate videos of people committing crimes or saying things they never did.
  • She notes the difficulty in distinguishing real from AI-generated content, emphasizing the need for human oversight and critical thinking when using AI tools.
  • Sheila highlights how AI has already been in development for decades (since the 1980s) and warns of its unchecked negative potential, despite its entertaining applications (e.g., humorous videos).
  • She cautions students and professionals not to rely blindly on AI-generated content without verifying accuracy.
  • AI content has reportedly reached over 50% of web posts within two years, contributing to information pollution.
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  • • Local Community Focus and Maui Issues
• Sheila’s main local passions include practical, small-scale improvements that directly impact community safety and quality of life:
  • The Kihei boat ramp is a priority because of safety hazards like damaged pavement, a persistent freshwater leak that caused algae growth, and broken toilets. Sheila’s advocacy led to quick governmental response within a week.
  • She is also concerned about infrastructure related to the high school, especially the problematic overpass and lack of suitable access roads, which pose fire safety risks for South Kihei and adjacent areas.
• Sheila stresses that many infrastructure and development issues on Maui have persisted for decades without adequate resolution.
• She is critical of rapid and unchecked development that lacks supporting infrastructure such as roads, police, and fire stations.
• Sheila identifies as a “real” Republican, emphasizing truthfulness and results over party dogma. She states she is more centrist and inclusive, often labeled a “RINO” (Republican In Name Only) by party hardliners.
• She reflects on changing political definitions, noting she might have aligned with a JFK-era Democrat, illustrating the fluidity of party platforms over time.
• Sheila’s core values are family, life, and Christian principles, but she recognizes that these values cross party lines.
• She supports running as an individual rather than being defined strictly by party affiliation but notes that Hawaii’s system requires declaring a party to run in primaries.
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  • • Political Identity, Community Involvement, and Challenges
• Sheila has run for office twice and plans to run again in 2026 for the Kihei House seat (District 11).
• She discusses the challenge of party politics and the need for collaboration:
  • She is known for wearing cowboy boots and has good name recognition locally.
  • She participates in multiple community groups and tries to focus on specific passions (e.g., tree planting, infrastructure).
  • She underscores the importance of working together on 80% of issues while allowing disagreement on the rest.
• Sheila recounts experiences from door-knocking thousands of homes, receiving respect and support even from Democrats.
• She is firm in her views but compassionate and open to hearing all sides.
• Outside politics, Sheila volunteers at Calvary Chapel South Maui, runs a side alterations business, and enjoys gardening.
• Sheila expresses deep attachment to Maui, feeling the island “won’t let go” of her, and emphasizes her commitment to community involvement.
• She is actively seeking gallery space to exhibit her Peruvian textiles collection.
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  • • Infrastructure, Development, and Housing Concerns
• Sheila is frustrated by bureaucratic inefficiency and finger-pointing regarding local infrastructure problems, such as the Kihei boat ramp’s maintenance issues.
• She criticizes the complexity and fragmentation of responsibilities among various county and state departments that stall progress.
• The conversation shifts to overdevelopment and housing:
  • Sheila warns that unchecked development will change Maui’s character, making it like Oahu with overbuilt urban sprawl.
  • She notes the discrepancy between promises made by developers and the actual delivery of affordable housing and infrastructure.
  • Sheila highlights that much of the new housing is expensive retirement or luxury units, not affordable for average residents.
  • She describes how many locals live in overcrowded or illegal rentals to cope with housing costs.
• Sheila is an advocate for local business owners, including short-term rental operators, opposing excessive government regulation dictating who can rent.
• She calls for innovative local economic models, such as equity-sharing between wealthy investors and first-time local homebuyers, to address housing affordability without over-reliance on government intervention.
• Sheila references Peter Savio, a developer with successful affordable housing projects on Oahu with homes priced around $400,000-$500,000, emphasizing actual homeownership and family equity as keys to community stability.
• She notes that building codes and permitting processes in Maui hinder affordable construction, such as banning single-wall homes despite their historical use and lower cost.
• Sheila recognizes alternative, low-cost building methods exist but face regulatory barriers.
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  • • Personal Interests and Community Engagement
• Sheila loves dancing, especially country and line dancing, and plans to hold a fundraising event featuring the Urban Cowboys band with public line dance lessons.
• She shares that line dancing is popular in New York City and Peru, where it is a common, free social activity.
• Sheila briefly touches on immigration, noting it rarely comes up in conversations and she has no strong commentary or firsthand experience with related controversies on Maui.
• She recalls the community unity after the Maui fires, where immigrant status was irrelevant in helping those in need.
• Sheila reflects on her long residency in Hawaii (half her life) and how perceptions of her as “radical” have softened over time, recognizing her stance is moderate and focused on practical solutions.
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  • • Closing Remarks and Future Outlook
• Sheila appreciates the opportunity to connect with residents during door-knocking and values civil discourse even with those who disagree politically.
• She emphasizes the importance of recognizing shared humanity beyond party labels.
• Sheila plans to continue running for office and working on community improvements.
• The Jason thanks Sheila for sharing her time and insights and encourages viewers to reach out via the show’s website or social media for more information.

1. 1. 1. Key Insights and Themes

• Community-Centered Leadership: Sheila Walker embodies a pragmatic, results-driven approach, focused on local community needs over partisan politics.
• Infrastructure and Safety: Critical attention to neglected infrastructure like the Kihei boat ramp and school access roads highlights ongoing local challenges.
• Housing Crisis and Development: The mismatch between development promises and affordable housing delivery is a central concern, with innovative equity-sharing models proposed as solutions.
• Political Identity Fluidity: Sheila’s centrist stance and critique of party polarization underscore the need for cooperation and understanding across political divides.
• AI and Information Integrity: The risks of AI-generated misinformation pose new challenges for politics and society, demanding critical evaluation of data and sources.
• Civic Engagement: Active participation in forums, door-to-door outreach, and grassroots efforts are vital to Sheila’s approach and community connection.
• Cultural Appreciation: Sheila’s background in fashion, Peru textiles, and dance enriches her community engagement and personal identity.
  • • Summary Table: Sheila Walker’s Priorities and Roles

Area	Details
Residency	Maui since 2016, previously Peru (4 years), New York City (fashion business)
Political Affiliation	Republican (centrist, pragmatic, inclusive), plans to run for House District 11 in 2026
Community Involvement	STR forums, county council meetings, Maui Meadows and Kihei associations
Key Issues	Infrastructure (Kihei boat ramp, school roads), affordable housing, overdevelopment
Advocacy Style	Firm but compassionate, results-oriented, inclusive of diverse viewpoints
Additional Activities	Volunteer at Calvary Chapel, alterations business, gardening, dance (line dancing fundraiser)
Cultural Projects	Planning Peru textile exhibit to showcase indigenous art and culture
Views on AI	Concerned about misinformation, advocates human oversight and critical thinking

Not Specified / Uncertain

• Detailed plans or timeline for the Peru textile exhibit.
• Specific policy proposals or legislative agenda beyond general priorities.
• The precise mechanism or partners for proposed equity-sharing housing models.
• Whether Sheila’s 2026 campaign will include running as Republican or exploring nonpartisan options if available.
• Personal political influences beyond broad references to JFK-era politics and Christian values.

This comprehensive summary captures Sheila Walker’s background, community involvement, political views, and key issues discussed during the interview on the Neutral Zone show. The conversation offers valuable insights into local Maui challenges and the evolving political and technological landscape affecting community life.

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Wow, it’s getting to be Halloween. Hello everyone. Welcome to the neutral zone. It’s Monday, October something, 17, 18, 19, but it’s gets 2025. And as you can see, I have a beautiful guest in the show. Let me put my headphones down. Welcome everyone. The days and months and years keep slipping by and um I hope you make a lot out of everyone and every year and every day. I had a thought few weeks ago. I said, you know, uh, I keep seeing Sheila Walker around and I see her with people that somehow I thought she last election

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she when she ran she had an R next to her name. I thought that meant Republican. Probably does. And then I see her with people that are very left standing and middle and I thought, you know, I should bring this lady on to our show. This beautiful lady, I know her a long time. Uh, welcome to the show, Sheila. >> Thank you, Jason. It’s a pleasure to be here. I appreciate it. >> You know, we’re we’re not in election season specifically. So, I thought, let me come on and talk like human beings

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and not posture and do all the stuff that people go, um, how long have you been on Maui? Because I’ve seen you here and seem like a fixture now for a while. >> Thank you. Thanks. I’m glad you recognize that because I have been here since >> Get a little closer to the microphone. >> Okay. Let me just >> I have been here since 2016. >> I just want to be sure there’s not as much >> any echo when we’re speaking. >> Are we good? >> Yeah, we’re good.

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>> 2016 I came >> 2016 almost 10. So next season, election season will be 10 years. So I can proudly say I’ve been here 10 years part of our community and ve very active in the community. >> What made you decide to come to Maui? >> Well, I have to say it didn’t wasn’t really a a conscious decision. So, it was kind of one of those things that it was a God thing that just happened. Um, I was living outside of the country at the time. I lived in Peru for four years

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prior to coming here and I needed to come to my parents um anniversary party. They were having an anniversary party here. They wanted the whole family to come for a family vacation. They were celebrating their 60th anniversary. So I left Peru, flew all the way over here and decided to stay for a month or two since I was coming so far and those two months like happens to so many people has turned in now to almost 10 years. >> Wow. >> So >> what was Peru? >> What was there or why did I go or

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>> a little I think Peru I think I would never have thought of it unless you had some kind of reason to. >> So the Yeah. So the background is that I was a fashion designer and clothing manufacturer in New York City for many years. that was my business and I sold that business and ended up moving to Peru basically because of the textiles there. I love the weavers and the embroidery, the bead work. They have a rich rich history um like so many uh cultures um in textiles. So I moved there, lived in a small village of

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embroiderers and work with the ladies and helped them take their pieces to market. So I spent four years doing that. I have a whole collection of their embroidery also. So, one day I have to do a gallery exhibit of all of the beautiful textiles that I have from there. >> Wow. I never would have thought of Peru in the fabric business. Wow. So, that that’s a good question. Have you spoken to them in the last while as the world is reshifting its markets based on I want to say based on President Trump’s

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tariff thing that he’s done. >> Oh, well the well the Okay, we can talk about that too. Trump’s tariffs, but the village I lived in um in the middle of Peru, they have no electricity, no running water, they don’t have internet, so it’s it’s really really remote and so it’s very hard to communicate with them. I do stay in touch with um some of the elders that are able to get to town and and use the internet sometimes when it’s available in town. >> Wow. >> So, I still stay in touch somewhat uh

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via Facebook, but it’s it’s really hard to uh to stay in touch and communicate. They don’t have anything like mail. >> So you just found them. >> I had traveled there three times in 2012 and over the course of those three times traveling there and through the expat community there I was able to connect in this village and >> wow >> yeah just ended up >> that’s exciting >> living there. >> You’ll have to come to my exhibit. I really do want to put together an

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exhibit that shows all the textiles and so people can get to know, you know, more about my background and why I’m so passionate about any community that I live in because I believe in participating in the community, not just, you know, taking advantage of it or living there. Um, so I like to be a part of the communities that I lived in and that’s that’s what attracts me to Maui, too. I love the community here. >> You don’t seem like a New York City girl. You went to New York City, right?

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>> I did. Right. I grew up in Missouri. Show me state. >> Okay. So, >> and I’m from New York. I was from Brooklyn, New York. So, >> So, so you’re tough, too. But I tell you, us gals from Missouri, we’re really tough. Tough as bootle New York City didn’t intimidate me at all. It’s it I I was successful in my business there. Um, and just loved it. Thrived there really. So many opportunities and the the diversity of the culture there. It’s just it’s an

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amazing place to live. though sometimes say that New Yorkers are short and I think New Yorkers are terrific. >> Good. Good. I I like to think so too. But we are efficient. We’re effective and efficient and we want we want things done and we want to get things done, right? >> And so I that’s why I can identify with Donald Trump’s attitude. He has big vision. and he wants to get things done and he likes for, you know, it to be on task and on budget and he accomplishes things and that’s like a that’s a New

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York habit. >> It is a New York habit. It’s interesting that Donald Trump is the one leading the charge because as far as his financials, he’s had um without getting into too much detail, going bankrupt a few times, that may be a financial play that we all like, but we don’t want to do that. The government and watching someone try to balance a budget that’s so out of balance is a rough job. You know, that’s the thing. You know, we everyone’s that uh looks at President Trump

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doesn’t realize what he is dealing with because he’s handed a government >> and he has to make decisions from a place of where he is not where his ideal is. What the thing that I’ve had issue >> because you mentioned I’ll mention is >> the way he does it >> and his callous nature of putting it out to people and not showing compassion and I really don’t like the people around him are more difficult for me because they don’t even explain themselves. they sort of do whatever he

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says and he pushes he’s a you know I understand he pushes the envelope when he was in business and didn’t pay contractors and we’re not looking under the hood to see why he didn’t pay a contractor or what the details were but >> he he’s I really worry that people are suffering at too high a rate you know we can solve a problem but Not by cutting off everybody’s head. Doesn’t seem to be >> I I can appreciate what you’re saying and I understand that his personality is

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not for everyone but he is very effective and I would like to um comment that yes the government does have a form of bankruptcy and they call it a bailout and so the government does bail out like the banking industry and other industries and that’s the same as filing bankruptcy in a in a corporation or a business. So the government does have the same form. And and you know, I don’t like it. I think it’s rotten. I think it’s rotten when people, you know, file bankruptcy in business and then turn

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around and profit off of that. And I think it’s disgusting that we bailed out all the bankers in ’08 and let the people suffer instead of holding the banks accountable for all of those loans. >> Yeah, we know why. We Some people think it’s political parties. Maybe maybe the individuals, you know, and then it was the Democrats doing it and now the Republicans do it a little different way, but politics seems to be a scratch my back, scratch your back kind of business. >> It’s Well, it does appear like that. And

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I’ll tell you what though, Jason, I think there’s really, really good people in both parties. And I think there’s really, really corrupt, horrible people in both parties. So we, you know, if we can look away from the party system and think more about how we’re just going to, especially locally, how do we help our community and how do we all live here together and stop saying, well, I’m on this side or I’m on that side because it doesn’t help us to be on sides. >> Have you had the opportunity here

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locally to be in forums? I haven’t seen you when I say to people of Sheila Walker, some people don’t know who you are. And I wonder how that is. And I think >> I wonder how that is too because I feel like I’m everywhere and everywhere I go, people are like, I know you. You’re the you’re either the girl that wears the boots because I’m known for wearing cowboy boots quite often or you’re the girl on the sign. I’ve seen your face on signs everywhere, which is great because

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that means my marketing is working. But um so I do have a you know I think a pretty good awareness or a presence in the community from all the marketing I’ve done. You know I’ve ran for office twice now and will run again in 26. And so I do try to stay involved in all the forums as many as I can attend. I mean I attend the county council meetings. I was active in the the STRs that’s happening right now. I’ve I’ve voiced my opinion on in that situation. I constantly >> short-term rentals just for use to don’t

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know the codes. >> Yeah, short-term rental and I’m active in the Maui Meadows. I live in Maui Meadows. So, our community association and Kihei uh association. So, I try to attend every possible I can. >> That’s like I say that’s sort of like preaching to a choir. Those are already people that are active. all the homesitting couch like this weekend this uh no dictator no king rallies across the country. >> I was there too. I I went to the no kings rally and interviewed people and

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asked them why they were there and and what they were standing up for and I went live on, you know, Facebook and Instagram to interview everyone. And some of them wanted to talk and were uh responsive. I I got a lot of hate from being there as well. People People yelled at me and said, “Get out of here. You don’t belong here because they recognize me and they they think that I’m some sort of evil Republican.” >> Well, that’s why I thought it was nice to bring you here. You’re not.

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>> Thank you. Thanks. I was curious what they thought they were standing up for, especially some of them had signs, you know, no kings. And I said, “Are you afraid that a king is, you know, going to take over?” That would be a typical question. And and and they would say, “Yes, we already have a king and his name is Donald Trump.” And I just don’t understand how they can get to that philosophy. >> I think because he he’s one, like I say, he pushes the envelope.

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>> He says, “Well, let’s see if I can do that. Well, how far can I go with that way of doing it? How car can So that is the biggest issue I see is that he >> he’s working the government reviewers to death because they’re like always like okay what’s now we have to make another really hard decision. Okay, we have to make another hard decision. And some of the things are turned back and we don’t really see much discussion of it except it just always seems like people are

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fighting like like now in this time. It’s like it’s just sad that to me it’s sad that we don’t just look at each other and say we as people. I’m so glad that you were down there. I was at the one in um here and I thought for every person I saw there, there were at least 10 or more at home who were going to say, “How was it? What was going on?” Because >> some people, many people are afraid to be publicly known for any stance because they figure this guy is going to point

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his trigger at as, you know, at them. And that’s really sad because I I believe almost everyone I mean we see all kinds of surveys. We don’t nobody likes the fact that there’s military in the streets and when it gets down to well we’re stopping crime. It’s important that we stop. Yeah. But these things that we know from history have really unbalanced countries and got people fighting against each other. It’s just a real hard area for me to watch right now. >> Well, I’d rather see the military in the

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streets than riots in the street. And if you’ve ever traveled to any country outside of the US, there’s armed guards with all kinds of automatic weapons all over the place. Even in places where we would consider civilized, like France or Italy, go to any museum, there’s guards standing out there with the automatic machine guns. And it seems scary, but that’s how other countries operate. And if we need to patrol some of our cities to make sure those riots aren’t happening, I don’t see why it we should

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not send in our military. >> We could dig down on that. But yeah, if there’s a riot, it needs to be controlled. But there are local and state forces and when people in charge of it suddenly see a new bunch of people coming in and trying to figure out who’s doing what and wherever, it gets muddy. And some people that are running these things appreciate having help and working in coordination. But I think in theory in that’s where it boils back is if we have to if someone says it and

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does it with an obstinate voice and sort of pokes and puts political spin on it. That’s what I think that’s what is going on. It’s getting just too political. people worrying that there’ll even be an election in 2028 >> because they think that the the change will be made so that someone’s going to be able to run a third time and >> it’s just >> so and where are we getting that information though Jason where’s that coming from it’s coming from like

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>> well I saw Gavin Newsome sources right saying and I thought >> really are we really that far into this that we’re worried we’re going to have an election in 2028 So, is he, you know, just fear-mongering? Is he just trying to get people riled up? Is is or does he have real >> Right. Well, he might be a candidate in 2028, right? I understand that. >> So, >> so let’s put him on the shelf. Let’s put Donald Trump Sorry, Donald. On the shelf. >> Put him on the shelf.

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>> I like the fact that you really said, you know, it’s really important and involved in is locally and that’s where I’ve seen you >> That’s right. involved with people, but those people that said go home, you’re not here don’t know just how involved you’ve been helping craft and share local things. >> Um like I saw you I thought she walkers with Bruce Douglas who would believe that >> you know it’s like wait a minute what but ideas and working together is so

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valuable. Yes, we have to come together on certain issues that we agree on. We’re not going to agree on everything, right? So, but we all have to use the 8020 rule. If we can if we can at least agree on, you know, 80% of the things we can totally disagree on 20%. I mean, that’s fine if we’re polar opposite, but we have to come together if we want our community to improve. So there’s and if if you know if I’m not interested in the you know some some topic like maybe the bike lanes aren’t my passion but the

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trees are because I’m involved with an organization that’s trying to plant more trees here on Maui. Um so I have to focus you know you can’t do everything. So you have to focus on your passion and so that’s why there’s so many community groups that you know pick and choose their topic. And then so those who want the bike lanes you work on that. Those who want more trees you work on that. But we all have to be involved and we all have to do it together some way or another. >> That piece we have to come together.

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This show was created so that diverse opinions could come on and talk about it and look at those subtle things like >> when you said, “Oh, we don’t want riots.” I don’t want riots in the streets either. And yeah, my information comes from here. Yours comes from there. We’ve learned that we can hardly trust anything to be exactly right in in a way that is acceptable to us. >> It’s true. And now, especially with AI, Jason, this kind of creeps me out. And >> I mean, it it does scare me because they

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can turn anything into anything. All they need is your photo from the internet and they can make you robbing the local liquor store and having the police haul you off from it in an AI video and they can spread it all over the internet about you >> and when it had nothing, you know, obviously it’s not true at all, but they can snapshot your photo and make a video out of it and and we have no way of really seeing if it’s a real video actually captured or if it’s an AI video. >> What also is scary is the things that

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they’re talking about and sharing with us now have been around for 20 and 30 years when someone I was working with told me, “Oh, >> they were working using the AI concept in the 80s in San Francisco developing gaming system.” So, >> we’re already past I think >> past the point of being able to control the >> the negative that happens from this. It’s not being monitored in any way or maybe can’t even be monitored. >> No, it’s true. And they they suck us in

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basically manipulate us to believing that it’s good because they do the funny versions, you know, the funny cats that that talk and have a radio show or the the the uh you know, the funny dancing videos of Trump and Putin, you know, dancing. So, they make it look fun and so everyone’s like, “Oh, yeah. I love this. I love AI. It’s It’s so great. But when you think about the opposite end of it, >> I’ve seen I did a transcript and I put it in and when people talk, it wasn’t

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separating person A from person B. And so it took person A’s statement and blended it with person B. And in the summary, >> it’s like whoa. So you really can’t trust it without reviewing it. So all of you who, you know, are writing some paper and think AI is going to do the job for you, if you do that, you better read what you wrote and see if you know what you’re talking about. >> It’s a wonderful tool for helping organize. It has great possibility, but if it’s used to replace people using

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their own brain and digging in to really discover. And when you get a report, you know, someone applies for a job and you look at their resume and uh they write a cover letter and you’re like, is this really this person or is this a created version of this person? >> It’s a changing world. It’s changing our world every single day so big. They just said that AI content on the web has passed them in two years. 50% mark half of the posts are artificial intelligence now. Isn’t

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that ridiculous? This this little social network has become a social network to pollute. And it’s just craziness. >> It is. It is crazy. And it does I do believe it has a very destructive potential to take over everything. >> When you’re thinking about working in because you are already what kind of issues are passionate for you. What are important things that if someone thinks Sheila Walker why do they want to know who Sheila Walker is? >> It’s it’s the most local small things

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that make our community livable that that make our community come together. Um, for instance, one of my passions right now is that Kihei boat ramp. If we don’t upgrade the boat ramp, the people are not only in serious danger of being harmed there because the the road is treacherous. The pavement is uh chipped up and slippery. There was a leak there recently that went on for six months. A freshwater leak. Wow. >> Fresh water was leaking into the ocean for six months. No one was doing anything about it. algae actually grew

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across the parking lot and it was very slippery and dangerous and several people had reported to me uh that that they couldn’t get any action done. They had contacted the county, they had contacted the current house representative and all they got back was lip service, no action. So I got on it. I wrote a letter to the mayor, to all of our county council people and to all of our state representatives. Within one week, Tom Cook got a crew out there to fix that leak. So, Tom Cook’s office uh

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took the action because I stayed on them and got it done. So, those are the types of things that I like to really dig into where, you know, you can take action and accomplish something. The other thing that I would like to really dig into is that overpass at the roundabout. Now, I wasn’t around 30 years ago when they started that project for the high school. But somehow that thing has gone so sideways and the kids there still don’t have the all the amenities that the school has to offer there. It’s very

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difficult to get in and out of there. Uh I personally would like to see a road uh behind the high school. >> I can’t imagine they wouldn’t have made that a requirement going in. >> You you wonder and I and I wonder how these things you know happened in the first place. So I that that the other reason why there needs to be an exit road from Loa out to either a bypass there or up to highly and Miley um perhaps is for the fire safety for the whole end of South Kihei and Wa and McKenna. You know, I’ve been redoing my

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website and putting shows in, and you would not be surprised that these subjects have come up now for decades. >> Decades. So, our Maui County group, maybe the problem is we have too many problems. I don’t know which ones to address first, >> but they seem to continue to build. There’s these building complexes going up everywhere without the infrastructure. And like who’s who’s going to cover that? What what police station? What fire station? How are we going to get out?

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>> So, how are those things getting passed? >> That part, I don’t know. That’s why I want to get more involved and I go to all the meetings and I try to understand and try to understand the history. I do not see the logic in it. And I’ll tell you the the R in me stands for real. I want I get that. >> I want real action, real results. And I want to know the truth. What’s >> How come you chose R? Is there a reason you picked an R? I mean, because like you said, you’re a you are real. You you

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don’t fit into a a typical understood box. >> So, so and and I’ll I’ll agree that or I’ll admit that um that I I’m definitely more in the middle. So, but the Republicans will call me a rhino. They’ll call me too squishy. And >> really, >> well, how can you be anything other than someone who’s inclusive? So >> that’s your model to me. That’s the very true. It’s true. So um >> a rhino. >> Oh yeah. Um so but what does that really

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mean? And what does what do the definitions of Republican and Democrat mean? I think they’ve changed over the years. You know, perhaps I would have been a a a JFK Democrat back in the day. I wasn’t born yet, but I I might have been more on, you know, in agreement with that platform had I been, you know, in college or in my 20s when he was the president. So, I think the boundaries have been blurred so many times. And so, and like I said earlier, there’s so many good Republicans and good Democrats.

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It’s not the the uh the people that are rotten. Um, but the machine has kind of taken over and distorted the definitions of both. But but as a Republican, it in my mind, I prefer families. I want life first. I choose life always. I’m a Christian. So these are some of the things that uh inform like my political beliefs. But I realize too that I represent a whole community. So, I have to take into consideration everyone in the community if I’m elected. >> When you just said you were a Christian

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and you believe in life, >> I’m sure there are there a lot of people that are Democrats that are Christians and believe in life. >> Exactly. Exactly. It’s hard to identify and call that Republican. No kidding. No kidding. Yeah. So, it’s it the the lines are >> When I think about you running, I would like to see you run in one where you don’t have a letter next to your name. only in that people might see you as an individual. >> Individual. So, right, you have to vote

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for the person, not the party. You know, that’s one of the mottos. And but in this state, you know, in other states, you can run as an independent or nonpartisan. But in this particular state, the way our system is set up, you have to declare either Republican or Democrat. And there’s no way to get through the primary really without >> By the way, the Greens have been getting signatures together >> hardily to still stay on the ballot, not have to start from scratch again. >> Yes. Well, I mean I bless their bless

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their hearts. I mean that I mean I I give them credit for, you know, trying to create or maintain a separate party. Well, you know, I I like to think that the best of the Democrat and the best of the Republican are independents. And some of them have declared a party. Like I declared Green Party long ago, >> ran for Green Party, and even when I’m not running and everything, people thought I was radical, which is pretty absurd. I am not radical. >> No, I don’t think so either.

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>> So, it’s like I always found that interesting. But over the years, I mean, some of when I was doing these interviews, all these election every two years, I for 16 cycles. That’s a long time. So, but people were standoffish that were in office, they thought I’d come in with a giant hatchet and chop them up on the air, which isn’t it. I want things to be what can we agree on? So when we walk from here, we’re going to be working together on something and solve problems by working together. And

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those little fringy things that we don’t agree on, >> we can still disagree. But even if we disagree, we care about each other. We understand that we as a humanity, I think, are more important than this political bickering. >> Absolutely. And even if um you are an elected official, they have to work on committees with you know everyone in in that’s an elected official. So you if I were elected as a Republican, I don’t just work with all the Republicans over you know at the capital. I have to work

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on committees with all the Democrats too. So I have to have that type of demeanor where I can listen to their needs and try to negotiate something where we have the best outcome for everything. >> That’s why people that know Sheila Walker like Sheila Walker, right? >> Thank you. >> I mean, I got to know you as a person. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Actually, as I was door knockocking, you know, I last uh last time I ran, I knocked uh 5,000 doors. 5,000. I know. It was It’s a great diet.

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You’ll lose a lot of weight if you want to walk with me. Um I walked I knocked 5,000 doors and a lot of the Democrats actually know me. And there were quite a few who said, “Yeah, I know you and I think you’re an okay gal and you know all you’ve got my vote.” So even though and they would say even though I’m a Democrat, they want to make sure they they held their own their own ground, but they they agreed that they’ve heard me and like what I have to say. So, and and they know that I’m not some

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farright, you know, I don’t know. >> You’re not Marjorie Taylor Green. >> No, no. >> Or other names. >> That’s true. But I don’t mind standing up for what’s right. I don’t mind speaking my voice. I don’t mind taking action either. So, I’m not squishy. I’m firm. But I also do have compassion. And I do want to hear from both sides or all sides. >> And we like squishy. No, but I I really mean I’m I’m so happy to have you on. So, what do you do in

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your spare time? Are you It sounds like you’re involved in things all the time here. >> It’s It’s true. I’m I mean, I volunteer at my church. So, I’m very active in Calvary Chapel, South Maui. So, I do a lot of volunteer work and I also uh still sew. I’m I’m still involved in uh an alterations business. I I do alterations on the side for fun. And I I um I garden as well. I love gardening. I have beautiful lush garden full of flowers and some fruits and vegetables.

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So I I lot like to spend time in nature, too. >> Yeah. Well, that sounds like a good plan. Maui, I’m glad that Maui kept you and that you’re part of our community. >> Yeah. It’s it’s interesting. You know how you know how people say, “Oh, Maui either spits you out or it keeps you here.” Well, I even if I wanted to leave, it’s not possible. It won’t let go of me. I’m entrenched. So, uh, so while I’m here, I just want to help the community and do as much as I can to be

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involved. >> Well, I see that in everything that is about you. any specific passions right now that you’re working on you’d like to share? Projects coming up that you like to share with anyone or we just talk about different >> Oh, >> we could talk about all kinds of different things. >> I want to be sure I never >> leave a guest where they really wanted to talk about something >> to say something. So, I well, I did mention that I do want to make an exhibit of my life in Peru. So, I’m

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looking for a gallery that might Jason that. So, I have so many beautiful wall textiles and bead work and uh so I I really want to show the people how the what the life is like in this village in Peru. So, that’s one thing. I’m also passionate about this this Kihei boat ramp. It’s just under my skin. We’ve got to get that thing cleaned up and and I don’t know why it’s being ignored. I don’t understand the the reason behind it, but it’s definitely like some sort of stepchild. They It’s like they don’t

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want to who they no one wants to take responsibility for it. Department of Transportation doesn’t. The water board doesn’t want to do it. Like no, the the county doesn’t want to do it. The state doesn’t want to do it. Like it’s like they can’t decide. They’re arguing over >> about the water running into the ocean. >> Well, just all of the the toilets there have been out of commission for >> Well, isn’t that part of the work of a county group? >> You know, it’s it’s they’re passing

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they’re kicking the can. They’re passing the buck. They’re like, “Oh, no, it’s this office. Oh, no, it’s that office.” And then if you want the light bulbs changed, that’s a different office than fixing the toilets. So it it’s they make it so complicated and chaotic that no wonder nothing gets done. >> Yeah. By the way, I’m having trouble seeing. I don’t often wear my glasses, but literally I I’m doing on this so that I can see your expressions.

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>> Something’s happened to me. Um doctors, any eye doctors out there? really. So, excuse me if I seem a little uncomfortable with it. >> No, I hope you get that checked out. >> While I have my glasses on, I can think of it. Let’s make sure we take We are on K A Ku 88.5 FM, the voice of Maui, which is simalcast and Akaku Maui Community TV. On your phone, you can get an app called Maui Stream. And up on the web, you can find us at YouTube, Dream Maui. But mauyneutralzone.com

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has our transcripts and summaries. So if I said ice cream cone and it’s been in nine shows, they’ll come up and you’ll know I said ice cream cone. So you can go there and look at subjects. I find it fun when I go there and put in things like affordable housing. We’ve been talking about affordable housing since 1995, 2002, 86, every candidate, every party, and we’re still wrestling with the same animals. We’re going to change that, aren’t we going to change that? We’re going to

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show I look forward to the year that’s coming up when, you know, we can start talking together and be out there in public forums and get thousands of people out there in a positive spin rather than standing up there protesting. Not that that isn’t valuable. I think it is, but I’d like to see thousands of people working together on good things because it’s incredible. People do have passion. they do come out. Let’s get some passion about working together and helping make Maui a

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self sustaining island. It’s not unreasonable. You know, I when I think of uh just came to my mind again when I think of you and Bruce Douglas, I said, “What kind of initiatives could we come up with if we have people that consider a broad much more broad perspective, the fact that you’re involved with Republicans and Republican women to me? Way back in 2002 here on Maui, I did a video of a lunchon of the Republican women and candidates >> and everyone wondered how how was I there again because people are people

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and uh I I really think on Maui we really need to really remember that a lot more. Whatever we see going on nationally, we obviously can participate. But here locally, we have the chance to work together because we don’t see anything other than people. We’re not separating. I hope. Again, I don’t want to go off on these tangents. I can, but they usually are tangents about some policy initiated by the feds that I don’t agree with or the millions of dollars they take away from things that are helping people in social

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programs and health programs that I’m sure that whoever was taking the slashing tool wasn’t really looking very closely at what the impact would be for people now. And I’m that concerns me. I >> I understand and I agree with you, but that’s where our state legislators have to step up and the governor has to step up and replace that with local funds because we have the money in our budgets. They’ll just have to retool the budget. So, we have to pull from the state then and take care of our own

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people instead of relying on the federal government. After all, in theory, I understand, but I just know that a gradient a gra something more gradual than >> that’s why I talk about cutting off the heads. That’s what I mean. >> If this is a social program that we need to give someone way to pull themselves up from the bootstraps and not just suddenly cut off their feet and tell them they have to grow feet first and come up >> then come. That’s my whole thing. like >> gentle and kind is a better way to

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approach things. >> Well, that’s where the state can fill in the gaps >> and legislators that are there driving for that. >> What do you think of the state legislature here? You have any kind of you’ve been looking at that at all >> of what’s going on right now in our state legislation? >> Are you thinking that you could, you know, I always I think I said it. I’m kind of trying to figure out where and what you’d like to be doing and because I can see you’re very interested.

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>> Yes. Yes. So, I will be running again. So, you asked me earlier what’s my what’s my >> goals or my my passion right now. So, I will announce in February that I’m running for the house seat for Kihei which is district 11. Okay. So I will run against Terzam motto and uh when doing that when I win it will put one more seat in the you know in the house for rep on the Republican side and we will probably win probably at least four seats. So that will make the playing field a little more even over at the

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capital with a more balance of Republicans and Democrats. And I wonder how important I remember there was a guy here before you named Chris Halford who was in the Kihei seat in that same seat >> and he used to say that when he went over no one would listen to him and he couldn’t get any kind of traction or anything he wanted to say. >> That’s right. Yeah, that’s right. Because if you were the minority then you’re always going to be outvoted. That’s just like what happens in

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Congress. So that’s why there’s such an interest in, you know, having the controlling vote. So if you have more people on your side or to have reasonable people so that we can come to agreements instead of just staying stuck in your, you know, policies of of a party and just look at the issue and come together on that and and resolve problems in instead of just being a partisan, you know, member and just holding things up because, >> you know, that’s That’s why the government is shut down right now. Or

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that’s why it was. >> It’s still shut down right now. >> I guess I guess it is still shut down. I >> It’s still shut down. >> We’re getting notices. You know, some of the people on social services have been contacting me, the individuals, and telling me, “What’s going to happen if I don’t get my food stamps? What What am I going to do? What am I going to?” And I don’t know how the state can step up quick enough. You know what I mean? Like

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it’s that’s what I mean about a harsh >> an emergency proclamation from the governor could could do that immediately. It’s possible. >> Okay. Josh Green, see if Sheila let you do that. Can we do it? But I just really mean I just >> True. >> And someone that puts things out in a harsh way doesn’t reach the people that might hear him if he was a little more gentle in the way he’s putting his word out. I had a friend who was a Republican who told me I’m sort of like a

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Republican in my financial views, but I’m liberal. I don’t know how liberal is a bad thing when it comes to social. >> Of course. Of course. >> So, I’m always always laughing when I hear people describe me. You think I’m like a Republican financial. Someone says, “You’re Jewish. How come you don’t own half this island?” Well, it’s cuz I gave my money away in my stand and yeah, I didn’t forgot to take care of myself. >> Yeah, that you have a big heart, Jason.

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That’s obvious. >> But you know this I want I have two things here for this weekend. I want people to know fourth Friday. This Friday, October 24th, we all the cars are coming out. Miss Aleart, Kathy Collins is Jasoning again. Never too late music, face painting, all kinds of stuff. Halloween is coming up. I saw Halloween costumes out at the uh the rally of no dictators. People have costumes, big funny costumes this year. I don’t want to see any more Donald Trump costumes. I’m sorry to big baby

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Trump. Enough. Enough. Haunted house. Where is this one? This is also down in the south there at Azekas. A Halloween Aeka haunted house. 24 25 29 30 31 starting at 6 PM. Oh, that’s going to be fun. Wow. Kihei, you know, Kihei is a really funny spot. When I first got here, and I remember this was like 1988, and there was where life’s a beaches and Food Land Corner >> was a spot. It was like the hangout. It was the place. There were no lights. You could walk across to the beach there. I

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think there was couple only a couple of lights in Kihei. Our traffic I don’t know what we’re going to do if we don’t somehow build these roads like you say before we do the building. That’s another I don’t know how you feel on that one. Why are we putting in a whole Milea 670 or whatever you want to name it community where they promised before that they’re going to build out the road that now we’re going to do it and they’re going to make money and they’re going to do these things but we’re not

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going to make them build out the road. >> Exactly. Or other amenities and and the lowincome housing portion has been reduced too. So that’s what you call a squishy legislator. They have compromised on too many of the things that were important and let the developer get away with uh too many things that don’t provide for our community. >> Isn’t that refresh? I’m bringing it up again cuz see one would not think that Sheila Walker Republican would be right against this thing. But

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someone that knows what it means to be human and holding to your promises. I mean it’s just beyond I’m just trying to break the spell of Democratic Republic. It is very challenging. >> No, thank you. And it is true. And a lot of people would never listen to me whatsoever. They don’t even want to hear what I have to say. But overdevelopment will be the death of this island. If they overdevelop this and fill the whole valley with buildings, we are going to look exactly like Aahu. and there will

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be no place left for uh you know the the community the aloha the the the way we operate now it’ll be a totally different atmosphere and we want to preserve the the beauty of what makes Maui Maui right >> so I just I don’t get >> and we were saying the same thing 30 I mean that’s what’s I guess you >> and they just keep building and keep building they’re like well we need housing we need housing but >> but they’re not building housing for regular people they’re building you

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Right. >> Expensive. Yeah. Expensive. Retirement >> and the regular average housing is now so prohibitive. >> I literally don’t know how people are doing it these days. >> Mhm. >> I mean, I do know how they’re doing it. They’re living multiple families per dwelling and they’re creating all kinds of illegal rentals to be able to supplement what they’re doing. It’s being encouraged by the whole climate of this economy. And now they’re talk, you

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hear, and now there’s short-term rental, long-term. Boy, is that creating a problem. Now, how do you know when a real estate market is stopping from sliding? So, that’s a very dangerous, difficult thing for the our island at a time when wow. >> Well, I’m not a real estate expert, but I I do know a lot about business, and I know that once the government steps in and tells us how we can run our businesses, we’re in big trouble. And if you own short-term rentals, you’re a

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business owner. And that’s all it is. It’s just business. And if the government can say who you can rent to or who you can’t rent to, then then they could also say if you’re a hairdresser, they could say whose hair you could cut and whose hair you can’t cut. So we can’t let the government dictate who we can rent to. >> Well, then also like that goes back to the housing issue. We have to shift what we’re doing. And Ariel always says to me, “But they’re building places. These

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people don’t have balconies. They’re building it sort of like left rack city in New York.” I don’t know how many people except from New York know there were builders that built these large complexes that house I guess you’d say it became lowincome housing but um just towers and we’ve got some starting around here >> but we need housing and I don’t know how we’re going to do it unless we also change the way we play with our local economy and in I have this passion about

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wanting to incorporate the concept of trade for different local services that we could find a way to trade and stay out of the things are unequal when we all work is not created equal >> and how do we do it so that we everyone has food and a place to live and that other thing is we don’t want to attract freeloaders from everywhere else to come here to embrace our new and inclusive policy and create a glut in what we’re doing here for the local people. It’s a complicated system and a complicated

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game. I’m looking for equity sharing. Have you ever seen that? I figure when we talk about Republicans, I keep thinking, maybe I’m wrong, that some of the very wealthy people are Republicans. Okay? They also have very deep pockets. That means they could be the financing arm and be equity partners with new buyers that don’t have the money now. So that over time those people could own houses if they want or that equity share that that big rich person have. It’s not going to change their portfolio very

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much except bring their portfolio up. But they could help solve problems and not ask the government to do it because the government we see the government is they don’t know what to do first. And >> are you familiar with Peter Savio from Aahu? He I mean he actually is >> he was a developer >> developer. He actually works on all the islands but he has an excellent model for building homes that come in under 400,000 around 400 $500,000 for a a single family home. and it’s actual

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ownership. So the family owns that and they are able to have the equity in that home and keep it in their their family. So that’s instead of renting. So that’s the only way uh families are going to get ahead is if they actually own their property. >> Is he the holder? He is the holder. >> So he Right. So, he helps with that type of uh uh program and uh we I’ve had him here to speak several times on Maui and hopefully during my campaign I’ll have him back. But uh he his communities are

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successful and and people are able to buy the home and then build >> $400,000 neighborhoods on Maui. >> No. >> Isn’t that incredible? >> No, it’s it’s it makes it possible and it is possible to build that uh type of house here. People don’t think so because uh we have so many you know permitting rules and if they would let us build the single wall houses like they did in the past that would be provide even more housing for people but they’ve the codes have just gone through

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the roof. You can’t have a single wall home anymore and they say it’s a hurricane hazard but um really I would I’d rather have a house than worry about maybe a hundred-year hurricane that might blow it away. So, >> have you seen um a Cobb? Have you met Migs Elliot? This gentleman named Miguel at that big >> over Lahina. >> Well, houses out. >> He’s actually on the big island at the But he travels the world teaching people. Exactly. >> Very inexpensive. There are so many

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totally other ways to totally viable, but it probably doesn’t meet the codes for Maui. So that’s it’s a they they’re up you’re up against a government who’s like working against you, >> right? And isn’t in our times of emergency, we can do things in emergency codes. You’d think there’d be more activity. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. So I’ll speak up. >> I’m glad to hear that. Yeah. Well, what do you do when you play or do you play? >> Okay. I I Yes. and and I will announce

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this too as my first fundraiser for my campaign. I’m going to bring in the Urban Cowboys and we’re going to have a big line dance fundraiser. So, I’m a dancer. I love to dance. Love uh love country music. Love line dancing. So, I’ll have a big fundraiser that incorporates line dancing. And as part of that fundraiser, the you mentioned the Friday night uh you know, third Fridays in Kihei, I will have >> fourth one. >> Fourth Fridays. >> Okay. Um, I will have the urban cowboys go and

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do a line dance lesson uh at no cost for the public, you know, just a public service on the Friday night for the for the community. And then Saturday night will be a fundraiser that’ll happen in February. >> Oh, that would be fun. >> Yeah, it would be super fun for the whole community and everybody will encourage them all to bring their cowboy boots and and line dance with me. So, I love to dance. >> Where were you line dancing before here? >> Uh, besides in Maui, New York City.

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>> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. In New In New York City. Well, there’s dance studios on every corner in New York City. So, you can line dance anywhere there. And in in Peru, too. They It’s a big dance community there. That’s what they do for fun because it’s free. So >> when when you every time you say Peru my head says immigrant but not necessarily immigrant but do you have you had any kind of a commentary comment on that kind of subject? Is that one we should talk about?

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>> No. Um actually I mentioned it and it kind of goes in one ear and out the other. People don’t I I think they just don’t have a reference point to it. So they don’t even ask me questions about it or >> it does it’s just no not a not that’s why I really want to share. >> I remember that after the fire someone was taking me out to see some of the heroes of the fire time and there were some people there that they remember after the fire they were there cooking

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and cleaning and taking care of people that didn’t care if they were immigrants or not. And then the ICE people took a few mothers and now we have little kids without parents hearing stuff like that. >> So I’m not familiar with that. And if that’s true, if that is the case, I would like to know about it, too. Um, but I’m not familiar and I can’t verify, you know, but it sounds horrible. I mean, it does sound horrible. Like like that’s absolutely inhumane and it’s not

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possible. I mean, like how is that possible, >> right? And I found that even after the fire, the people that tell you in the getting better, we still saw that prejudice come out, different groups retreated from the rest. And it took a while, but a lot of that dissipated because as people were helping each other and realizing the humanity with each other. Mhm. >> So, so I just like to bring that up because I hope that Maui has the heart to to love and be inclusive of everyone. You know, I I’ve been here now half of

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my Can you imagine that? >> Wow. >> That also tells you I’m older. 37 years I’ve been here and I came with all kinds of ideas and people said I was radical. And over time they realized I’m not radical at all. just standing up for things that I know should be and try to be just like you. I’m real glad to hear you’re running. I’m real glad to hear that you have um the stamina and the strength it takes to put yourself out there publicly because people may or may not know it

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takes a lot to be >> It takes courage. It does take courage. >> People say things about you and you go, why would they talk like that about me? >> Me. me. >> Can you imagine we have less than two minutes left? Can you too? >> I know I could talk to you all day long. >> That’s okay. We should do that. Um, anything that you like I say, I know that I brought you on with no real agenda except to get you here before it was election season so we could be, you know, really informal and no real

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questions. Just see the passions of a a woman who’s it’s clear your heart is here. you are here. Thank you for all that you give and all that you do. >> Thank you. Thank you, Jason. I do enjoy talking to all the residents, too. Like, that’s the best part about walking in the neighborhoods and knocking on doors is being able to chitchat with people at the at their front doorstep. And everyone’s been so hospitable and and interested in asking me questions and talking. And even if they were not going

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to vote for me or even if they said they they would never, you know, consider voting for a Republican, they would they would still talk. And that’s that’s what we have to like like you’re saying, we have to realize the humanity in this. And most of them always said, “Thank you for running, even if they were not on my side.” >> 45 seconds. >> She Walker, thank you so very much for being here with me. I hope that you’ll come back again. >> Thank you. I appreciate it.

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>> And uh all you out there, if you have questions or anything, you want to contact Sheila, you’ll see some numbers up on the screen, up on the internet, marauutralzone.com, and all those other place I told you to look. Well, thank you, Sheila. It’s been a blessing. >> Thank you. >> Oh, we are out of here, folks. Wow, that went quick.