Jason with DEBRA GREENE, PhD. regarding Smart Meters – Dangers Of and What You Could Do… show starts at about 1:33 in… 6-18-2018. Show #2- MauiNeutralZone.com
Summary & Transcript
Introduction and Show Overview
Host Jason Schwartz introduces The Neutral Zone, a weekly Monday 11 a.m. show on 88.5 FM KAKU, Maui’s community radio.
The show aims to cover controversial and multi-sided issues, inviting guests and listener engagement via call-ins.
Current episode’s guest: Dr. Debra Greene, PhD, author of Endless Energy, specializing in energy medicine.
The show acknowledges technical difficulties but emphasizes an open, casual format for in-depth discussions.
Initial focus introduced: Smart meters—devices replacing traditional analog electric meters with wireless digital meters that transmit energy usage data.
Dr. Greene explains that smart meters are widely installed in residential and commercial buildings and communicate wirelessly, raising concerns about radiofrequency radiation exposure.
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What Are Smart Meters and Their Health Concerns
Smart meters replace analog meters with digital wireless meters that send data to utilities remotely.
These meters emit microwave frequency radiation, similar to cell phones, causing potential health risks.
Some individuals are electrically hypersensitive (electrosensitive), experiencing adverse symptoms from proximity to smart meters, cell phones, Wi-Fi, and other wireless devices.
Dr. Greene highlights the lack of precedent and large-scale scientific research regarding the long-term effects of widespread electromagnetic exposure—describing the current situation as a global experiment on human health.
She draws parallels with the tobacco industry’s historical suppression of harmful health data, suggesting a similar pattern with the wireless industry trying to discredit critical research while promoting safety claims.
Protective measures discussed include:
Using metal-lined cellphone cases (e.g., SafeSleeve) to block radiation.
Wearing protective pendants researched for mitigating electromagnetic radiation (e.g., BioGeometry).
Applying multiple layers of protection to reduce exposure.
Unlike personal devices, smart meters are installed without homeowner consent in many areas and cannot be turned off or removed without fees.
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Smart Meter Rollout in Hawaii and Public Response
Kauai island experienced a mandatory smart meter installation in 2012 without customer notification or consent.
Customers who wished to opt out faced financial penalties, including removal fees and monthly opt-out charges.
Community backlash was significant but largely unsuccessful in halting installations.
Many residents reported health issues and illnesses attributed anecdotally to smart meter radiation, including cases of cancer.
The emotional and physical toll on citizens has led to feelings of powerlessness and exhaustion in fighting the installations.
Maui residents have so far resisted widespread smart meter implementation but face ongoing pressure.
The utility companies retain ownership of the meters, making residents unable to control or refuse the devices.
Host and guest stress the importance of public awareness and political engagementto influence future legislation.
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Political and Legal Landscape; Introduction of 5G Technology
Current political climate discussed as an opportunity to question candidates and officials about wireless technology policies: smart meters, 5G rollout, cell towers, and related infrastructure.
5G is described as the fifth generation of wireless technology, fundamentally different from previous generations:
Instead of large cell towers, 5G uses dense arrays of small antennas placed every 10-12 houses in urban areas, leading to massive radiation saturation.
The FCC (Federal Communications Commission) oversees wireless infrastructure but is criticized for lack of health expertise and ignoring biological impact.
The National Resources Defense Council (NRDC) filed a lawsuit challenging the FCC’s exemption of 5G small facilities from environmental and health reviews, showing emerging legal pushback.
5G promises futuristic conveniences (smart appliances, drone delivery, automated home systems) but raises concerns about privacy, health, and societal impact.
The discussion emphasizes the need for public vigilance and active participation in regulatory processes.
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Citizen Action and Notice of Liability Movement
Dr. Greene introduces the Notice of Liability process, a grassroots legal strategy aimed at holding individual utility executives and commissioners personally accountablefor implementing harmful technologies like smart meters.
This approach bypasses corporate protections, making individuals liable for health and legal damages associated with the meters.
So far, notices have been filed against:
CEO of Hawaiian Electric
President of Maui Electric
Commissioners of Hawaii Public Utilities Commission
Between 40 to 50 individuals have joined the signing parties to file these notices.
The movement demands:
Removal of all smart/advanced meters.
A return to safe, mechanical analog electric meters.
Participation is open to all Hawaii residents, regardless of property ownership or who pays the electric bill, due to wireless radiation’s ability to affect neighbors and communities broadly.
Next signing party announced for June 30th, with contact details provided for involvement:
Energy Medicine and Broader Perspectives on Health
Dr. Greene explains her professional focus on energy psychology, a branch of energy medicine applying subtle energy science to mental, emotional, and physical health.
The book Endless Energy is praised as a “new home health guide for the 21st century”, teaching care for the energy bodies beyond the physical body.
She describes the unseen energy bodies as determinants of health, influencing physical, emotional, and spiritual well-being.
Common phenomena like feeling someone’s gaze, precognition, emotional contagion, and empathy are cited as examples that conventional biology cannot explain but energy medicine can.
The discussion challenges the traditional materialist model of brain chemistry, advocating for understanding humans as energy fields, which explains emotional and thought transmission between people.
The conversation touches on the social and scientific awakening to these subtle energy realities, which were previously dismissed but are gaining legitimacy.
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Community Engagement and Future Plans
The show aims to foster civil discourse, shared values, and cooperative problem-solving beyond polarized social media debates.
Encouragement for listeners to get involved through calls, blogs, and community discussions about important issues like smart meters and energy health.
The station provides a platform for diverse voices and aims to grow audience involvement.
Host Jason Schwartz shares his personal interest in energy medicine and the importance of these conversations for public awareness.
Dr. Greene recounts her own journey into energy medicine, sparked by personal crisis and discovery of subtle energy science.
She emphasizes the commonality of subtle energy experiences and their scientific basis.
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Closing Remarks and Resources
Final recap of key websites and resources to empower citizens:
Educational videos and resources on radiation safety
Host thanks Dr. Greene for her expertise and time.
The show closes inviting listeners to return next week and participate actively in important local and global issues related to energy, health, and technology.
Key Insights and Conclusions
Smart meters and 5G wireless technology pose significant health and privacy concerns, supported by extensive scientific research and anecdotal evidence.
The wireless industry’s promotion of “smart” technology often overlooks or suppresses documented negative effects, echoing historical public health cover-ups.
Electromagnetic radiation from smart meters is continuous and involuntary, affecting entire communities, unlike personal devices which can be controlled or shielded.
Grassroots legal strategies like the Notice of Liability process empower citizens to hold individuals accountable beyond corporate shields.
Energy medicine offers a paradigm that integrates subtle energy fields with physical health, providing explanatory power for phenomena unexplained by conventional biology.
Public awareness, political engagement, and community action are essential to protect health, privacy, and sovereignty over technology choices.
Quantitative and Comparative Data Table
Topic
Traditional Technology
New/Wireless Technology
Key Differences / Concerns
Electric Meter
Analog mechanical dial meters
Digital smart meters with wireless communication
Emits continuous microwave radiation; no opt-out without fee
Wireless Infrastructure
Large towers in commercial/unpopulated areas
5G small antennas every 10-12 houses (dense saturation)
Increased radiation density; proximity to homes
Public Consent
Typically informed or optional
Often mandatory without notification
Lack of choice; opt-out fees and penalties
Health Research
Limited long-term data prior to rollout
Growing evidence of harmful effects
Industry denial and suppression of research
Citizen Action
Limited avenues
Notice of Liability legal filings
Personal accountability for executives and commissioners
Glossary of Key Terms
Smart Meter: A digital electric meter transmitting usage data wirelessly to utilities, replacing analog meters.
Electromagnetic Radiation (EMR): Energy waves emitted by wireless devices that can impact biological systems.
Electrosensitivity: A condition where individuals experience symptoms due to EMR exposure.
Notice of Liability: A legal document filed by citizens holding individuals personally responsible for harm caused by technology implementations.
5G Technology: The fifth generation of wireless technology using dense small cell antennas, increasing exposure to EMR.
Energy Medicine: A field studying the effects of subtle energy fields on physical, emotional, and spiritual health.
Summary Timeline
Timestamp
Event/Topic
00:00 – 00:06
Introduction to the show and guest, overview of smart meters
00:06 – 00:13
Explanation of smart meters, radiation concerns, protective measures
00:13 – 00:20
Smart meter rollout in Kauai, health impacts, community response
00:20 – 00:27
Political context, introduction of 5G, FCC and NRDC lawsuit
00:27 – 00:36
Citizen action via Notice of Liability, upcoming events, how to participate
00:36 – 00:44
Energy medicine concepts, unseen energy bodies, emotional contagion
00:44 – 00:53
Community engagement, civil discourse, personal stories, movement encouragement
00:53 – 00:54
Closing remarks, resources, and contact information
This detailed and structured summary captures the essence of the video content, grounded strictly in the transcript, with clear segmentation, key insights, and supporting data for understanding complex topics discussed.
TRanscript
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welcome to the neutral zone this is Jason Schwartz your host we’re here every Monday at 11 a.m. we are somehow getting a techno problem we’ll see what it is otherwise you would have been hearing an opening song but now you’re hearing a different opening song so be it well it’s really an interesting situation we’re using the right dongle they call it a dongle can you imagine Apple would call with all their fancy names they create a little adapter because they made a phone that you can power it but you can’t get
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power and sound out at the same time so they have this little adapter and here we are doing radio you can imagine so I have a whole board of music and clips and things and sponsors by the way we have two new sponsored donors that we’re going to announce next week we’re happy to I am here in the studio with you the thing about the neutral zone is we’re anything but neutral we are people that me decided it was a good idea to put in the clutch and talk about subjects from all sides and all angles with me and
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guests and you out there whether you’re going to be calling in on 8 7 3 3 4 3 5 or whether we call out maybe we have an issue when you want to call somebody about that issue I think doing it live over create a real interesting dynamic on issues especially when we’re calling people in a political year it’s quite an exciting time and we want you to be part of it so the neutral zone is anything but neutral but we’re not going to bring politicians here on the radio but we’re going to talk about issues that clearly
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have people behind them that can help make changes today we have a guest a very special guest I’m gonna read you a biography from the back of a book called endless energy this book is written by Debra Greene PhD and that’s our guest in the studio well let me read this because I think this is interesting this is from Bruce Lipton many of you know Bruce Lipton wrote the biology of belief this book endless energy offers an informative and skilfully woven presentation on how the mind emotions
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and energy fields shape our physical life included or valuable step-by-step strategies to manage our energy bodies and regain sovereignty over our health and happiness Debra welcome to the show thank you so much Jason it’s a pleasure to be here you know I am happy to say we did an interview of in a very funny situation I was given the job to open a motion picture studio and that motion picture studio I was now checking it out so I brought a guest to do a show and that was Debra Greene this is some
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years ago I remember it well it was very Greene it was very Greene we was a whole place built out like a Greene screen and it was interesting because I knew it wasn’t soundproofed when I heard the chickens crowing and from beyond the wall and that was my clue that I was definitely not looking for a long tenure there which is what ended up happening the whole thing kind of imploded why don’t we welcome to our show thank you and Greene screen means that you can superimpose anything on top of it right
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yeah that’s the point of it means greater TV yeah you they put a color that is not named a screen after me no we could my name is Greene used to be blue screen but they follow this very I want to say shocking electric looking Greene ants is something that may not be on our clothes and everything so in the television in post-production or if they do in the live switching they do what they call chroma key they tell you see that color put in that other video so we could have you in France or if we’re talking about got it let’s say
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we were talking about smart meters which we’re going to talk about in a second we could show it mm-hm and that’s why I think that not only in this example here we’re gonna have television shows some of it will be some of the interviews with you on radio with video so that we can show some of the things we talked about and so it’s a really interesting time I mean Here I am I’m sitting here with Debra and just before we started she said television so it’s an interesting time and that we have media
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and we have rules that affect us as radio but we have television well then no that’s not really technically that’s Facebook Facebook live so if you’re not here at 11 a.m. on Monday you can watch it anytime I want to get into the subject matter I’m just quickly looking up and getting an idea I am just kind of getting an idea I don’t see the cutoff we’re gonna be jumping out to a sponsor a little while but it’s important for everybody to know that this is a casual place every week it’s going to be
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different we want to be neutral we’re going to be talking to people about subjects and some of them very controversial like this one you ever heard of the word smart meter well what is that well that means that we’re gonna let our guests tell us in a second but it sounds like something that’s really smart to do that’s gonna help you take a look at something and be smart so you have more brain to figure out what they do Debra first of all welcome to our show I can tell I’m running on here
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thank you no worries yeah so yeah I mean it does seem as though smart meter I mean it’s if it’s smart it must be a good thing right but but in fact as I hope we’ll learn quickly is if anything has the word smart in front of it be afraid be very very smart know how to play sound yes and your smartphone that emits dangerous levels of electromagnetic radiation just like smart meters do so you know what is a smart meter please on all of our homes and you know buildings commercial businesses anything that has electricity
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that’s coming from the utility company there’s a meter to measure the electrical use and meters typically are mechanical their analog they have little dials on them that turn and those meters are being replaced by digital meters that communicate wirelessly with other meters and with a hub and transmit data in the case of Maui the smart meters that exist here all of which are in Maui meadows in Kihei so this is a an electricity meter smart meter involves electricity so that means all of you out
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there will have electricity raise your hand means every one of us yes you’re off the grid you know if you’re off if you’re off the grid then you probably don’t have a utility meter because unless maybe you have a solar system is that a smart meter solar systems are still tied in to the grid most of them are but I mean somebody who’s off the grid which yeah but if you were off the grid with the solar systems you wouldn’t you wouldn’t necessarily then have a smart if you’re off the system if you’re
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off the grid with solar you would not have a reason I bring that up is I’ve always been a big proponent the utility company is there as a backup I don’t particularly want them there at all so I would size my solar system to be independent of the grid so some people when realizing that this has huge tax credits and all kinds of stuff right that’s why I was asking that I ran into us so I just went to the Maui Film Festival and boy am I tired that was really a wonderful experience but I
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spoke to a solar company there and I said to him whoa you guys have meters is that a smart meter and he said well it’s kind of smart I said how do you deal with it and he was from California they have I know I guess it’s a franchise here and he said we deal with it in every state so that made me think that maybe Solar has some kind of a meter so that’s why I was asking because I would like to think that solar which is a renewable energy and really progressive thing and people that aren’t weird the
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reason I brought you on with this not only a you knowledge about smart meters and that’s the 70 we’re talking about which maybe we can legislate or that’s what we want to talk about our rights and what we can do about it all but you’re a doctor of energy medicine and to me that’s really when we have signals coming out what is that doing to us you mentioned about the phone some people I know can’t even be near their phone in fact we have a mutual friend who can’t even be somewhere close in their own
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house to it people that see there’s a tower out there and it affects them horribly so that’s what we’re talking about isn’t it part of what we’re talking about yeah there are people who are very sensitive of electro sensitive to these invisible energy you know fields that emanate from wireless devices like cell phones like cordless phones Wi-Fi baby monitors microwave ovens you know things like that so before these energies were in our air we didn’t have to deal with these things so
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this is a whole area that many of us great we’re all guinea pigs basically it’s it’s a grand experiment it’s happening on a global scale and and we’re all guinea pigs in this experiment because there is no no research there is no precedent this what’s happening now has never happened before in the history of the planet and and we’re being inundated with with these kinds of electromagnetic you know feels and and devices that that we’re basically bathing in in these in
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these frequencies which have very well-established well known negative health effects but the problem is that you know if you’re old enough to remember like I am probably you are old enough to remember when we were all being told to smoke cigarettes because cigarettes were told we were told that they’re good for us they’re healthy and they would help our lungs and especially if you had asthma you were supposed to smoke cigarettes well I don’t remember that one but that’s pretty dramatic well
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yeah doctor some doctors are recommending that people smokes I remember when my father’s doctor died of lung cancer I knew he had the wrong doctor yes smoked cigarettes behind this so what happened in the tobacco industry is as you may recall is that there was a lot of evidence that cigarettes were harmful to people but because the tobacco industry was so strong so powerful had so much money so many lobbyists they were able to prevent the research from from you know being exposed and they did that by
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discrediting the researchers and by purposefully confusing the issue and paying off you know of certain experts and officials to endorse these things and that’s exactly what’s happening right now with these kinds of wireless devices we’re being told that they’re safe and they’re not and it’s it’s well-established that they’re not safe but you know the telecom industry the wireless industry is purposefully trying to confuse the issue convince people that they’re safe discredit any research
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that shows otherwise and they’re you know they’re doing that at the expense of human health on various levels other things we can do to empower us against it can we shield ourselves in some way yes we can I mean there are there are many steps that you can take you know for example you know with the cellphone I think I’m pointing at this camera here sure you know you can this case for example is called a safe sleeve and that’s because the back of the case sorry the front of the case is actually
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metal and the metal blocks these frequencies because these frequencies are in the microwave frequency range and we know that you’re not supposed to put anything metal in a microwave oven because the microwaves cannot penetrate metal they can penetrate just about everything else but not metal and and so when you use something metal it blocks the or it helps to block the radiation so you can get you know a case like this that blocks and and to use your phone this way you dial the number you answer
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the phone and then you close and there’s a little cutout here where you you know so you you speak on the phone with this case closed to protect yourself and then also inside here I have another device which is called a tiny little thing I don’t know if you can see that but it’s a ulink you think you clear and it’s just another layer of protection which I’ve added you know to this I just put it in the sleeve there and then I also I also protect my body by wearing you know jewelry or
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pendants that are that have been researched to show that they help mitigate the electromagnetic radiation this particular necklace is is called bio geometry and so there are things that you can do and my advice is when it comes to protecting yourself from electromagnetic radiation dress in layers like have layers of protection and one of the things that I dislike about smart meters is because in terms of other you know devices I can choose whether I want a cell phone or not I can choose to turn my cell phone on or off
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but when it comes to smart meters in many places they are implementing these it you know without people’s permission on kawaii for example the island of kawaii they had a mandatory implementation of smart meters Kauai is covered blanket they over have over 30,000 smart meters there and when the utility company slaps a smart meter on your house you cannot move the meter because you don’t even own it it belongs to utility and you can’t turn it off and it basically is is a radiating you 24/7 365 and are we having
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any kind of data accumulation over there it is or something to compare it with to be able to say hey you I know that you here on Maui have been very vocal and trying to block these guys from putting it here on mass and so far you’re holding them off but I know I’m just maybe that’s what we should I so to me I I think that the message is clear that in this age of energetic medicine that’s why you’re here and an expert about it you’re not just casually mentioning this you’re someone who knows what you’re
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speaking about so often people get on and they’re talking but they don’t have any foundation but you already are deep in the awareness that this is not good for us true and I’ve seen evidence of it yeah well you know I hope that that alone makes I mean I think that’s the most important thing so we’re talking about science that is already proven we’re not guessing all right and if you want to check out the science you can go to a website called bio initiative dot o-r-g bio initiative org and they have
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done an incredible job this is a group of scientists and md’s researchers from all over the world and dozens of them and they have amassed together this huge document hundreds of pages and they have gone over almost 2,000 pieces of research and come to the conclusion pieces of research on wireless technologies and they’ve come to the conclusion that the current levels of so-called protection established by the FCC are inadequate to protect human health and and you know if you don’t have time to look at the entire document
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they’ve summarized all of their findings it’s very accessible bio initiatives or yes so we don’t have results from what’s going on in Kauai health was anecdotal I mean I can tell you my personal experience because because Hawaii has their own utility ok all the rest of the islands are are under Hawaiian Electric which consists of miko here on Maui a hiko on on Oahu hELCO on the Big Island and those the parent company of those utilities is Hawaiian Electric but kawaii has its own Electric Company and
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ki you see and I think k UI ok kawaii but they’re a citizen group they’re their coop coop locally right and so they made their decision at the board the board made the decision to go with smart meters back in 2012 I think which is when the federal government was subsidizing these things and they didn’t they didn’t tell any of their constituent of their customers they just basically if you went to work in the morning and came home at night they would have put a smart meter on your
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home without even saying anything is there a way or is there a law that says you can now say no or is that so just let me let me finish talking about about Kauai and then I’ll answer that question so so they they got these mandatory implementation of smart meters and they’re you know there was no notice they were the people of Kauai you were caught completely off-guard and if they wanted to opt out they had to pay to not have a smart meter they had to pay to get it removed they had to pay a monthly fee and they had to pay a
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one-time opt-out so it was very you know and and some people you know call this extortion when you have to pay to not have something that harms you it’s extortionary at any rate the people of Kauai rose up fought and fought fought a very hard fight and they didn’t they didn’t have any success to speak of and then people started getting sick and I mean I’ve I’m in touch with people on Kauai because we’re kind of United you know in this effort and we’re doing an effort you know here on Maui it’s kind
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of focalized on Maui but but extends to the whole state and I’ll talk about that in a moment a notice of liability process and when I contacted people on Kauai and said you guys let’s you know could get on board with this let’s do this and I talked to a number of people and every single one of them said the same thing we are so beaten down we we can’t we can’t we can’t do anything we’re just we’re sick we’re getting you know ill from the radiation from the smart meters one of the key people
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actually ended up getting cancer and and and they just don’t they can’t they just don’t have it in them to fight so the anecdotal evidence is that you know it’s nasty sad I think we’re almost ready for commercial I don’t have a high side from anyone but so we may get broken off here in a second you don’t mean commercial you mean sponsor well I the station takes three minutes to say hello to everybody in spaces we have the Maui miracle org which is going to be coming online
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about values that’s one of our sponsor donors and cash-for-gold come on alone I have a friend a long time Richard Dan who is a wonderful guy so I thought that it’s really important to mention them because they’re gonna keep this open forum available for us this neutral zone I don’t know how they’ll give us a high sign I’m normally thinking they’d count us down but let’s continue I just don’t want to break off and have you think we’re breaking in the middle so you
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asked if there’s any law to prevent well you know here we are in a political year and so it’s like okay so who do we talk about this who do we get to be our hero to change the law are there other things we can do that’s what I want to talk about okay so I mean anybody who’s running for any office should be asked questions you know is there a bill or something we can say look we want a choice now is that something that could be proposed by anyone not now it’s too late for this session but I’m saying here we
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are we got another one coming so whoever we’re putting in office in November maybe we’re a little early but yes it’s important to think about that as we’re asking these candidates who and what they are and you know it’s not like a citizen like you or me saying it if you’re sitting in seat number six in state house and you proposed this that that’s what I’m yeah I’m that I’m holding that I’m supporting right now doesn’t have anything to do with you
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know legislation but I wouldn’t mind getting some you know I think it’s a good time to ask candidates for any office at all what their opinion is on wireless communication on the installation of more cell towers and antennas ask them their opinion on smart meters asking their opinion on 5g which is another threat mention that that in today’s news that you just got a little notice about a new ruling would you mention something about that well I’d have to look it up because it just came
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in just came in this one so I mean before I talk about this I feel like I need to at least tell people what 5g because sure if they don’t know what 5g is this isn’t gonna make any sense so 5g is is the next generation of of wireless technology you know 1g basically you know in the 90s gave us cell phones and then 2g you know text messaging and so forth and they’ve just they’ve just kept increasing the speed and and the efficiency you know then you know video streaming and so forth and so
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on well so 5g is the fifth generation of this wireless technology but it is categorically different than anything that we have so far and what what we have now are we have cell towers and antennas you know distributed wherever there is you know wireless technology and the the towers and antennas are are mostly in you know commercial areas they’re on you know business buildings they’re on if you here on Maui if you drive by the old smokestack of the sugar mill the entire smokestack is covered
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with cell antennas and you know so you see clusters of these things everywhere in big big towers and so forth but with 5g all of that is going to change and instead of having these big towers and antennas in commercial or unpopulated areas instead we will have what is called an array and it’s it’s a small antenna and these will be just everywhere I mean we’re talking every 10 to 12 houses in urban areas we’re talking complete and total saturation of these antennas and that is a really
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scary and terrible thing so once again what who makes that kind of decision the wireless industry boredom is Hana this is something we can look this is like the the Federal Communications Commission that has a board meeting about it based on yes the problem with the FCC the Federal Communications Commission is that they know nothing about human health you know I mean they they don’t know about biology they don’t and and so it’s you know they don’t look at the health effects at any rate you asked about this
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email that I got and the exciting thing about it is that the National Resources Defense Council has filed a lawsuit against the FCC and they’re challenging the legality of the FCC’s order exempting these small Wireless facilities these these antennas that are part of the 5g infrastructure they’re challenging that those being exempted from environmental review so I mean that’s exciting because because something you know could potentially come of that that’s a big challenge you know to to
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the proposed saturation of all of these antennas and you know I mean 5g is being touted as the best thing since you know the invention of consciousness it’s like you know bigger faster stronger you know and and you know you can you can have all of your smart appliances communicating with your smartphone and and you have a drone fly-in and delivery yeah goodbye retail and you know you can have a refrigerator that keeps track of all the food inside and all of the expiration dates and and then if
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something expires or you run out of it then the refrigerator automatically orders it for you and then the drone comes and delivers it and this is the kind of future that that is being active larger reality will sit in one place and go on our vacation and and I can’t you know I can’t think of very many people you know that I know on Maui who are interested in that kind of future but but is that is what is being pursued actively pursued and that’s just the tip of the iceberg I mean it’s it’s really quite something the
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plans that are being around I’m expecting some godlike voice to come and say okay time for a break but no one has so they might jump in with us but um so I’m just gonna continue if you don’t mind yes um I don’t jumping all over the map but I’m thinking of like you’re a resource who knows this is not good what efforts can people do here to be involved yeah get off the neutral zone that’s what we’re doing here I’m hoping there’s others that may want to defend this
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technology that’ll either call in at eight oh eight eight seven three three four three five or come as a future guest and because these are the things that we hope to talk about to then get the public interested in aggressively being part of solutions that we can discuss here openly so what can people do well we mentioned briefly a moment ago how you know asking candidates for any office what their stand is on wireless technologies if they’re aware of the negative health effects I mean there’s also the whole privacy invasion
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issue which we haven’t even touched on but that’s another aspect of this ubiquitous pervasive you know blanketing what if I did in one order blueberry yogurt again right or I mean the thing about smart meters is that every every electrical appliance and device inside your home has a unique electrical signature and smart meters are able to permanently record the data from all of those devices and to the extent that they can tell what time you get up in the morning when you go to bed at night
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do you take a bath do you take a shower do you read the refrigerator at night and when are you on vacation and on and on and on and on and on and and that data is of course a gold mine because as we’ve been told over and over again is the future data is the goldmine of the future and right now we are actively being surveilled spied on outside of our homes but inside our home were still guaranteed the right to privacy under the Fourth Amendment but with smart meters that all goes out the window
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because we are effectively being spied on inside our own homes and you know smart meter experts who are proponents of this gosh about oh my god the data the data it’s like the difference between looking at an x-ray versus looking at a functional MRI because they can track these things almost in real time and and for them they can then mine that data and sell it and it’s another it’s another way of making profits so anyway that’s a little bit about the surveillance piece so we have health
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effects we have negative health effects and we have we have surveillance invasion of privacy in our own homes what can we do about it is what you asked so but yes to me that’s what yes so one at one of the things that can be done about it aside from talking to people you know talk to your friends your neighbors talk to politicians candidates so what I’ve just talked about this get you know keep it keep it at the top of your mind another thing that you can do is to participate in our notice of liability
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process and this is something that is is being supported by in power movement in its it’s in power movement not on power but I am in Power movement calm and and in collaboration with in power movement I’m vocalizing the effort here in Hawaii and started this back in in September of last year hosting notice of liability parties and the parties are designed to to bring people together who who want to file notices of liability and we’re filing again individuals who are implementing technologies known to do harm in this
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case smart meters and we’re holding them liable as individuals and that’s the important piece because it means that they cannot hide behind their corporation they cannot hide behind their team of attorneys they can’t hide behind their titles they’re being held accountable as individuals and so far we have filed against the CEO of Hawaiian Electric the president of Maui electric and all three of the current Hawaii Public Utilities Commission commissioners and at this point I don’t
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actually know how many how many hosting I mean how many signing parties I’ve hosted but we probably have between 40 and 50 people who have filed so far I see and we can’t weaken so this is financial and otherwise I guess financial is so these people are now personally responsible no corporate veil keeping them away from personal responsibility for not giving someone a choice about these meters is that what well it’s it’s not for not giving people a choice it’s for it’s for implementing technologies
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known to do harm and in this case what we’ve named our smart meters which are now by the way no longer being called smart meters because they know that that’s a term that people you know are onto so now they call them advanced advanced meters and advanced metering infrastructure so we’re asking for a return to the safe reliable mechanical dial analog meters and we’re asking for any and all smart meters or advanced meters and advanced meter infrastructure to be removed that’s what we’re asking
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I see so that means that someone that might want to be involved may not even own the property renters could bring it up renters well well then they have a smart meter on their location or not or even if they any anyone who lives in the state of Hawaii can file it doesn’t matter if you pay the electric bill or not it doesn’t matter if you own the home or not and it’s because everyone is affected by this that’s the problem it’s like if I live next door to you and you have a smart meter and I don’t I’m
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affected by your smart meter because we’re talking about wireless technology it’s not confined to your home or your meter right it’s it’s it’s radiating you know at a distance and and it affects anything and everything in its path so let me see if I understand in power dot-com and power movement is power move com.com is where they’d find information of what they can personally do to express this yes who at least these people that run these utilities that will be personally and are and by your
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definition personally liable for putting out this technology that affects all of us yes and so step one is to go to that website watch episode one of the video series and then if if if you decide that that you want to participate in this movement this notice of liability movement then contact me and I will let you know when the next signing party is in fact I could tell you right now that our next signing party is on June 30th okay so if you’re listening to this in current time what’s a way that people
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can get in touch with you easily I know would probably put it up when we hit the Internet here stuff but yes so you can email me at Debra de BR a at your energy matters.com you can call me phone number eight seven four six four four one okay area code 808 of course so call me email me carrier pigeon okay we have carry a bit you can send me a text message at that number even though it sounds like a like a landline time my cell phone is a number that someone said how did you get I took the business number and when we
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could take our numbers with us and I said or should I leave this that’s what I did too right I know so we’re gonna be talking some more right like I said I’m expecting that hand on my shoulder this is the neutral zone it’s anything but neutral as you’re hearing I’m your host Jason Schwartz I’m here with Debra Greene and we’re talking about all kinds of stuff energy related in the years you know now have years of experience as a practitioner with energy what kind of
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things do you help people with in the work that you do with that um well the particular aspect of energy medicine that is my practice has to do with energy psychology oh and and so it’s it’s basically applying what we know from the field of energy medicine to the psyche to human human you know functioning you have amazing people that have read your book and have an endorsed it all kinds of PhDs are the people and yeah researchers and because the book is I mean the book has been referred to as
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the new home health guide for the 21st century because the book is is about energy medicine and it’s about the use and care of your energy bodies and we all have these energy bodies that we need to attend – well it’s in addition to our physical body because many of us me included don’t have as haven’t had as much awareness of that I think we can all feel it as life goes on we’re getting more and more in touch with that I don’t know if it’s like a group thing we’re
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all moving and consciousness toward the same direction and we’re suddenly waking up and more sensitive to things but this has been going on a long time I remember gosh 30 years ago where someone said did you see that I just saw a red arrows coming out of you and blue hours I was coming out of art all kinds of stuff so I think that the unseen it’s a really an important thing in so many aspects of life yeah from the perspective of energy medicine and this this physical body is is just an out picturing or a reflection
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of what’s going on on the unseen levels of our energy bodies and so if you if you really want to you know be healthy on all levels physically emotionally mentally spiritually then you need to attend to those levels inside yourself you know what’s what’s going on inside yourself because that’s that’s what’s going to determine what happens externally well I would like to say only because we live in an America that is unusual at the moment it’s important that we think about the unseen and the
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unspoken you know these things 20 years ago someone would say Jason you’re just you’re hanging out with all these new agers and and all these things they’re not real but we know there and we have science behind that it’s things that are going on that here in America and maybe all over the world things are often known before we give them credence we like I said they used to have telling us cigarettes were a good thing for us and then I saw a movie last evening called Serengeti rules and
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I thought well what’s that about it’s about the rules of what they learned about nature and systems from studying in the Serengeti which is an area in Tanzania in Africa it’s an amazing truth that we all wake up 20 years in 30 years and 40 years later and the things that we were told were bad for us were actually good for us and good for us bad for us well there’s a local company that many people think of as the big bad wolf in the chemical pesticide arena you know and are you talking about Monsanto I am
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they’re changing their names the innocent but you know that’s the beauty of a notice of liability process is that it can also be applied to corporations I should say individuals in corporate in corporations like that I some it’s not specific to only you know the smart meter issue but that’s how we’re implementing it right now and this is a private citizen thing it has nothing like you say has nothing to do with the government although help from laws is something that you definitely I’m sure that you
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would be important in helping structure that as far as limitations and things I hope that our audience is not only listening but taking notes because we’ve had bio initiatives org in Power movement calm good website address what do you have a website I do the website that’s that I put together that’s focused on the smart meter issue is keep your power org keep your power org and you can also check out radiation page comm that’s my my page where I put up all of the info you know that I have about I have I have
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videos video on there about how to safety proof your cell phone I have some these are all YouTube videos which you can also find on my youtube channel this is dr. Debra Greene but I also have videos up there on eight household electronics that are hurting you which are kind of interesting videos because I hired a master electrician to go through my home with all the instruments to measure radiation from household devices and appliances and we filmed the whole thing and and then I also talked about
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solutions most of the solutions are either free or extremely low-cost so radiation Paige comm is is that website we are you know I I can talk on about this and I want to talk about a couple of more things here of course but I think this really I want to use this moment to give Debra a break because she’s been talking up the storm here which is great we’re the neutral zone and that’s important to recognize that doesn’t mean we don’t have opinions it means we welcome all sides of
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opinions well we can talk like humans not like Facebook responses that shred each other and don’t seem to be finding where we come together we hope to come together on a very important place that’s called values and how we all can agree and then legislation can continue and we in the private sector can Co operate even if we don’t agree with each other wouldn’t it be nice if we liked each other because we get to know each other from easy discussion that we want to find the solution you know I mean the
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biggest thing with nature and the biggest thing that’s happening so much is the will we have to have the will and we hope to create that kind of an environment here where you can call in with issues that are important for you or if stances on things that we’re talking about that’s what we want to be able to do here you know ikkaku there’s a TV and kak you LP 88.5 FM we are the voice of Maui and we’re only a voice of Maui if you are involved with us and that’s what we hope you’ll
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tell everyone about 88.5 FM right before me you’ll hear shaggy jenkins these are I guess he’s the manager of the whole thing and tony has a show of one o’clock the local show but we are having different shows come on and I’m happy to be here Monday I’m sure we’re gonna get a lunch sponsor soon I’m hoping so we want lunch close by any of you anyway that was our break um Debra you’ve been studying energy for a long while yes yeah about 25 years and have I’ve had had a practice for that
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long what got you involved was it a personal experience or how did you become aware of energetic things oh yeah it was personal experience basically my life fell apart it’s a good catalyst you know and in trying to find solutions I I hit upon the science of subtle energies and you know started learning about our our energy dimensions you know our energy bodies and it just completely you know blasted open my world and you know you mentioned earlier about how we’ve all experienced these things and most of
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us have had experiences of of subtle energy phenomena you know something as simple as the sense of being stared at you know how we can tell if somebody’s staring at us you know many people can can feel that even though they they’re not looking you know to see that the person is staring at them they can feel you know the eyes in the back of the head whatever that’s a really common phenomena and that has no explanation from a conventional you know biologically based materialist perspective why would people be able to
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feel that they’re being stared at you know to acknowledge something like that you pretty much have to acknowledge you know the realm of subtle energies and and their existence another one is you know precognition things like you’re thinking about somebody and then they call or they text or whatever and many many people have had that experience as well another one is you know when I do talks I I ask people things like you know do you believe that that your your emotions you know are confined to your
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body or you know do you feel other people’s feelings do you think that your emotions can travel can your thoughts travel and 99.9 percent of the people say yes yes I believe that my thoughts you know they travel I you know I feel other people’s feelings they feel mine well again if we’re using the biologically based materialist model where emotions are just brain chemistry how is it that we can feel somebody else’s feelings how is that possible and I’m sure all of us have had that
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experience of feeling somebody else’s feelings in fact it’s it’s well established in in social science it’s referred to as emotional contagion if you’re if you’re in a room with somebody who’s experiencing a strong emotion you will begin to feel the same feeling within two minutes and it doesn’t matter if that person is a total stranger or not how can you explain that you know if emotions are just brain chemicals how do my brain chemicals and jump over and affect your brain
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chemicals well they they don’t they can’t and it’s because that model is is faulty and if we begin to understand ourselves instead in terms of energy fields or what I call energy bodies then these things start to make sense and are very easily explainable how those energies of thoughts and and feelings and emotions travel and and how our system is kind of like an antenna picking up on those things very important stuff I mean these are these subtle things that we’ll be talking about here are obviously getting
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more and more attention and more and more research yeah legitimacy or legitimizing and supporting the truth in them and I think that’s it part of what we’re doing here we’re letting people know that and you know we’re talking about smart meters and we’re talking about energetic things but in life there’s a lot more below the surface and you know just like you talked about feeling some of those emotions there’s also a level of intuition that happens and all kinds of subtle things that if
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we got in touch with I think we might be a lot better off things like empathy I mean like I don’t want to go off on another whole subject but you know there are a lot of things going on in our world right now and we know that you out there you know you can call us I don’t know if we have time here but 8 7 3 3 4 3 5 we’re gonna be setting up a blog online about different issues and some of these issues here so we’ll be able to kind of create a website that’s gonna show values and shows that we’re doing
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and looking for your involvement call in we’re gonna call out and talk to let’s say you have an issue and we’re all in agreement but be very interesting to call someone I wonder if that’s invasive and maybe invasive we can say you’re on the air can we say that like Jay Leno might say or who is on there now Kimmel we can call all kinds of people live from a radio that’s very exciting I wonder if that’s I’m sure that’s got to be as a fun thing so I know that you can’t
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record people without their knowledge or permission but I don’t know about it being you know live on the air but this show is recorded right it’s archived then you probably can’t sorry to say well we’ll find out we’re gonna try it I’d think that the only thing we can do is push the envelope because you know that’s what I think is important that we try something why would someone want or not I mean it’s obviously gonna put up somebody on the spot we’ll see maybe
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someone wants to do research and get it to us you know we’ve got a couple of minutes to go I’m not sure which clock here is is gonna be likely it looks like we got about two minutes to go Debra you’re a very welcome guest and what they’re talking about obviously I brought you here because I thought what you were talking about was very important thank you and it was an important subject that our viewers hear it’s an easy way for us to get into a very important subject with someone who
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knows what they’re talking about about something smart meters again advanced meters from the utility company Wi-Fi and all that I’m gonna see if I can rattle off a couple of websites one more time for you who are listening right now in power movement comm bio initiative dot org your energy matters.com say that not a bad memory good for you was good and the one I would add to that would be keep your power org which is the the website with more information about smart meters in Hawaii good and it’s really nice to know
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that there are citizen groups that are doing things whether or not someone gets into office it’s an important enough issue that citizens take the initiative to bring it up and gather it up if there are things that you’d like to talk about about anything we hope to be leaders to show you what can be done Debra you are a great thank you for taking the energy and time that it takes to put this together for all of us because it is for all of us that we do this yes it’s true and we have to do it because oftentimes the
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powers that be are not necessarily acting with our best interest in mind so thank you all for joining us Debra thank you for joining us thank you Jason we are here at the neutral zone 88.5 FM a kak u voice of maui we’ll see you next week same time and hopefully we’ll have the sound all set B well Aloha
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