TNZ- The NEUTRAL Zone- Jason Schwartz for the 3rd time in recent weeks with Scott R Bushnell; Scott adds additional perspective on recent Maui happenings- like the Lahaina August 8 devastation, and more
Summary & Full Timestamped Transcript
Introduction and Context
- The show is broadcast on KAKU 88.5 FM, Maui’s low-power community radio, and also on Akaku Maui Community Television channel 55.
- The host, Jason Schwarz, welcomes co-host Scott R. Bushnell, a local Maui resident and swim instructor with a rich history on the island, including involvement after the Lahaina fire event.
- The show is called Maui Neutral Zone—though ironically, it is “anything but neutral,” focusing on deep local issues and community stories.
- The station’s website, mauineutralzone.com, hosts a vast archive of shows dating back years, reflecting a long-standing effort to document Maui’s evolving culture and challenges.
- Scott shares memories of historic Maui venues like Blue Max, Hamburger Mary’s, and Spats—key social spots in the 1980s and 1990s—highlighting Maui’s vibrant past and cultural evolution.
- Scott recounts personal encounters with famous musicians like Chuck Mangione and George Benson at Blue Max, illustrating the island’s unique blend of local life and international artistry.
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Social and Cultural Observations
- Discussion about Lahaina’s evolution after the fire, the changing social fabric, and the challenge of preserving Hawaiian culture amid increasing tourism and population influx.
- Scott’s involvement with The Mankind Project (MKP) is introduced—an organization focused on male empowerment and community leadership. Jason emphasizes few people can talk across a wide range of topics as Scott does, from social issues to personal growth.
- MKP’s training weekend is described as transformative, blending personal development with community engagement.
- Maui’s saturation with visitors has been a long-standing concern, dating back 25-35 years, with complaints about overpopulation and its impacts remaining consistent.
- The show acknowledges the importance of donors and community support to sustain public access media and spread awareness of Maui’s history, culture, and current issues.
- [07:53 → 15:21]
Local Community and Hawaiian Cultural Issues
- Conversation with a local man caring for his elderly mother with dementia highlights the challenges faced by Hawaiian families and elder care on Maui.
- The role of Pundy Yokoi, a key local figure who championed Maui’s cultural and resort development, is discussed. Pundy’s contributions included raising funds for the cultural center and supporting resort growth, making him a vital local advocate.
- Jason expresses concern about the lack of Hawaiian presence at community events, noting a divide or disconnect between Hawaiians and other residents or visitors.
- Scott elaborates on cultural barriers, explaining that Hawaiians may be cautious or protective due to historical experiences of transience among newcomers and cultural preservation. He contrasts experiences on Maui’s west side versus south shore, observing stronger local community ties in some areas.
- They discuss integration challenges and the importance of Hawaiian leadership in bridging cultural gaps and fostering mutual respect.
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Hawaiian History and Storytelling
- Jason shares insights from an audiobook by King David Kakawa, a Hawaiian royal descendant, detailing local legends, myths, and historic conflicts among Hawaiian chiefs and clans.
- The stories include dramatic events such as droughts caused by the murder of a religious figure, and ancient warfare, underscoring a rich but often overlooked historical narrative.
- These cultural stories are resonating with men in Jason’s counseling groups, many with deep local roots and personal histories linked to Hawaiian traditions.
- The dialogue emphasizes the value of storytelling to preserve history and build cultural identity, while recognizing the complexities of integrating Hawaiian perspectives in modern Maui society.
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Environmental and Infrastructure Concerns
- The hosts discuss coastal erosion and infrastructure failures following the 1982 hurricane, noting the loss of roads and missed opportunities to improve resilience through raised road grades and rerouting.
- The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers had recommended moving and raising roads to prevent future damage, but funds were not effectively used, illustrating long-term planning failures.
- The conversation broadens to climate change and natural cycles, with Jason emphasizing that science and personal experience both shape understanding of environmental challenges on Maui.
- Scott recounts his personal swimming experiences, including long-distance ocean swims, encounters with marine life such as turtles and whales, and the physical and psychological aspects of water safety and fear.
- His swim lessons incorporate cognitive behavioral techniques, addressing fear and trauma to empower students physically and mentally.
- These stories underscore a deep connection to the ocean and nature, and the importance of teaching water skills as a form of personal growth and safety.
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Global Political Perspectives and Social Media Critique
- The conversation shifts to international politics, focusing on Ukraine and Russia.
- Scott shares firsthand observations from teaching a Ukrainian family from New York, who expressed a nuanced view of Putin as a figure who might “clean up” corruption despite being a “horrible person.” This contrasts with dominant Western narratives.
- They discuss the complexity of political allegiances and the reality of divided opinions among Ukrainians and Americans alike.
- Scott also references a former student from Los Alamos, New Mexico, whose family had been relocated from Kyiv during the Soviet Union’s collapse, offering insight into post-Soviet perspectives.
- The comparison extends to the Israel-Gaza conflict, expressing dismay over violence and the seeming contradiction of some progressive groups supporting Hamas despite its oppressive stance on LGBTQ+ and women’s rights.
- There is strong condemnation of misinformation and the polarizing impact of social media and mainstream news, which often obscure nuanced truths and propagate division.
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Local Sustainability and Energy Discussions
- Returning to Maui, the hosts discuss renewable energy and sustainability challenges.
- They highlight Maui’s natural advantages: abundant sunshine, seawater, and volcanic geothermal potential.
- The conversation points out historical and ongoing barriers to developing geothermal energy, including environmental concerns and lack of champions.
- Solar power advancements are acknowledged, but the debate between centralized vs. decentralized energy systems remains open.
- The hosts critique long-range planning on Maui, citing examples like inadequate brush fire prevention near solar installations and the decline of sugar cane agriculture following subsidy cuts influenced by environmental campaigns.
- The loss of sugar cane farming brought economic and cultural impacts, with land increasingly converted to housing developments.
- They emphasize the need for open, informed discussions about energy futures, balancing environmental protection with sustainable development.
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Maui Arts, Music, and Community Vision
- Jason speaks about his commitment to Maui Arts and Music Association and the vision to foster local talent and culture as a foundation for economic self-sufficiency and sustainability.
- The goal is to create a vibrant ecosystem where art, music, and technology intersect to improve quality of life while honoring Hawaiian culture.
- He stresses cooperation and inclusiveness, envisioning Maui as a global example of abundance and community-based development.
- The conversation touches on local political figures and leaders, including efforts to engage Hawaiian leadership to foster unity and respect for indigenous culture.
- The hosts acknowledge the challenges but remain hopeful about creating meaningful change through community-driven initiatives.
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Closing Remarks and Future Engagement
- The show concludes with a lighthearted tone, discussing upcoming plans and the importance of continuing these conversations.
- Scott’s swimming and physical therapy work is highlighted as part of his broader role supporting community health and wellness.
- The hosts encourage listeners to explore the station’s archive of shows and engage with local projects like Dream Maui and Maui Arts and Music Association.
- They emphasize the power of cooperation and shared love for Maui’s unique culture and environment.
- Final greetings include a reminder of the upcoming Halloween, gratitude to listeners, and an invitation to tune in again.
Key Insights and Themes
- Maui Neutral Zone serves as a vital platform for local voices, blending cultural history, social issues, and community development.
- The legacy of Maui’s past social hubs and cultural icons shapes current identity and community spirit.
- Hawaiian cultural integration remains a challenge but is essential for true community cohesion and respect.
- Environmental resilience and infrastructure planning have historically suffered from missed opportunities and lack of follow-through.
- The ocean and water are central to Maui life, not only physically but psychologically and culturally.
- Global conflicts have local resonances, revealing the complexity of political narratives and the dangers of oversimplification through media.
- Sustainable energy solutions for Maui exist but require balanced, transparent dialogue and leadership.
- Arts and culture are viewed as key to Maui’s future economic and social sustainability.
- Community cooperation and inclusivity across diverse backgrounds are critical to overcoming current and future challenges.
Full Timestamped Transcript
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[Laughter] kku 88.5 FM the voice of M could it be it’s Monday happy Halloween almost it’s the neutral zone Aloha good morning it’s 11:00 a.m. Monday and that means we’re in the neutral zone Maui neutral zone.com it’s anything but neutral and uh we have a very unneutral co-host uh you know I’ve made Scott Scott R Bushnell is U not only a a great alwh house swim lessons you know that’s that’s uh you’re one of the things you do but you’re a great guy I am just so
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thankful to have you here with us here we are on Radio K kuu uh low power FM 88.5 FM here in Maui and akaku Maui Community television channel 55 Maui Community media we like to be called you know when you go to Maui neutral zone.com you’re going to see a menu there right above you’ll see a description of the show and some of our donors there and some of those could be you and then you’re going to see um a menu so you can not only choose shows from now you can choose shows all the way back and actually going back 30
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years we’ve been Ariel and I have been doing shows and they’re all up there nothing and then we got a YouTube channel but you know there’s a lot of history and uh actually that’s the first time you came in here Scott you were with me when I was uh after the lahina thing sort of happened yeah after the uh and you’re a long time Maui guy you’re watching Mau we now you know where here we are August September October October November so this three months uh I haven’t been to the west
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side of you yeah uh we’ve been over a couple times you can’t really see anything from the road yeah so it’s yeah I just you’re you’re good I’m just want to make sure I get our volumes good sounds good okay okay um Scott is um a veteran Al you’re video that you put up after yeah the fire really was like riding down Front Street and seeing the H again uh yeah I uh that was a fun video I had just gotten a GoPro so what year was that a long ago no no no no that was last spring so that was oh but
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you were you’re a veteran when there was a a Blue Max Blue Max uh hamburger Marys OH man those were fun years and though and you you had the best of entertainment that made this a personal hangout oh yeah so Laina and the Blue Max and you know when I got here it was just became a place called tiger in ‘ 88 oh okay yeah and people would tell me about the Blue Max Blue Max but Blue Max was amazing I uh that’s just a place to be huh yeah I I said in the Blue Max uh I actually when I was working for the
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higher Regency teaching swim lessons back in the early 80s they would uh they would task the lifeguards sometimes to take care of uh Sports celebrities that came if they were in negotiations or talks they would say hey can you stay with like Willie mcb’s wife and kids and kind of guide them be on the beach with them and that would be kind of my job that day and that particular well stretch was in negotiations I hung out with his wife and we went to the uh Chuck Manion concert cuz Chuck paid and you know went back you know did
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the backstage thing all of that and and unb benounced to me I’m I’m overhearing a conversation that oh yeah I’m going to go play at the Blue Max you know after I get all this done so I go down to the Blue Max here I am this 20 20y old kid and I go down there next thing here comes uh you know Chuck bju comes in this car’s just jamming you know next thing George Benson comes in I’m sitting where three people in the Blue Max you know a cigar Scotch bar you know and they played for hours and I’m just
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sitting there like going wow you know just amazing time yeah wow fun years I mean spats Blue Max spats was uh spats was there in the Hyatt wasn’t it yeah oh you had to wear pants that was a real that was a tough thing back then I said God I had that was a great un happening place and hamburger Marys oh jeez yeah another great experience oh yeah you know just the come and go but the L that was recent was also really happening they had a dirty monkey yep and uh you know and yeah right down where Lassen’s Gallery was is
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another Gallery you know oh yeah the people that I knew then they’ve graduated probably a lot of them have retired you know all these Andrew anenberg was there and had a gallery dick sergeant had a really blossoming gallery and Through the Years helped a lot of the new artists be shown there right right and then down the way in the courtyards and all the things that made Lina the really great visiting experience L was kind of a an evolution it never really stayed the same it was always just Reinventing itself over and
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over again well when it was less populated and when it was less of people are aware of it we had the chance to have a Chuck mangion and George Benson right come down quietly at night and not get hounded and yeah yeah and even even during the um the old uh uh Lina Hawaii or Lina Halloween nights when MTV came in MTV came in covered live as the martiga of the Pacific there’s MTV Good Morning America here we are you know from the Marty guard I it was it was amazing You Know M always evolved well those days and
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they’ve come and they’ve gone and here we are now and you know you’ve had experience you know we spoke about it on another show but uh Scott has you know when I speak about subjects very few people that around in my world that I can talk to that can go from Soup To Nuts and and uh from nuts to fruits and then you know put a little milk on it he knows how to mix it up and there’s a very interesting guy so and I met him in in mkp right kind project you know what that is you guys who have listened
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before D but let me make sure everybody knows mankind project.org you can look and they’ll tell you what they’re all about but the way I know it is I was looking like in that movie for a few good men and women but A Few Good Men Who would take things and help actualize them and I have specifics in mind of course you know Dream Makers and Maui Arts and Music but this mankind project I go to the first uh meeting was the first time I saw it was I went to this new Warrior training weekend which
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we just had a couple of weeks ago you know and I went through this experience and it was a great experience for me and I’m a veteran of the you know LIF spring and yeah you know I can go down my list of all the different New Age things and not so new age and I live on Maui so you could walk down the street and see anywhere from someone that just came back from India to the guru themselves who came here and doing a tour to uh someone with their little guitar and there’s um you know Paul Simon over in
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the corner and uh C Stevens Elton John it’s like it was who’s who like you said yeah but as this place got more and more crowded you know the island saturation and remember the whole thing about we are overcommitted we have too many bodies here and they were complaining about that 25 35 years ago that’s the same complaint it has never changed well all you do is applaud the fact that uh there’s been ineptitude here here I when I say applaud that’s not the right word you you uh um you you make me feel like
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I’m a hero although I haven’t had results I’ve been talking about this like you’ve been talking about this like others have been talking about this for a long time here I am on Public Access Radio with you know who are our donors our donors are people that hear these shows and say hey to get people to hear these shows we have to put money out to promote these absolutely because if you don’t see this and know there’s a whole wealth of shows and people and ideas you know so 30 years ago Scott noticed we
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were talking about that same thing so I’m a real pain in the ass you L to say ass on radio right oh I think so I watched a Simpson last night and just was like oh is that right wow how many how many those bombs can you drop in one cartoon I met a a local guy here who’s 55 who came back his mother is 82 and started having signs of dementia significantly well being that I have an 80-year-old partner I listened even more intently but what interesting to me he was born and raised here as four or five
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brothers they live in ha cou their families all kinds of things they also have been you know when I know about pundi they know about the Statue of pundy at the uh at the cultural center and this guy worked for Delta Airline for 30 years he retired early he said he retired early after 30 years but he’s still working here lives in p and takes care of his mom who lives at my place cuz I live in a senior center nice and but the the locals I said to him and the reason I even brought up pundy I bring
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him up a lot and I’m hoping someone’s going to come up to me one day and say I’m with you I understand what you said pundi called me I don’t know who pundy yoka Uchi wasab what was that that was just I was pulling up something to talk about and I was like okay no no stop that stop that they’re okay to me you know fun yokoi was the guy when I was dishwashing at the W Resort you know those and the uh the con those there that were like high-end but they were they weren’t high-end like multis
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scrillion like they are now they were highend but they were very highend yeah but 1993 to raise $30 million and build a cultural center and start with this and get financing pundy did that pundy is a guy that helped the resorts get started the ones in kopali along with Colin Cameron right right the guy that helped get those hotels over here and got and the him takauchi and and got him to do the uh the WEA thing and two hotels going at the same time I like to call it the Maryland Monroe house and up there right
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on the hill on the other side so the pun he called me I said wow hi uh he’d like to meet me I was great so I went up to his building the reason I’m talking about all this is I lost a local champion and that guy that came back to working at Delta that retired that’s been here all his life that hasn’t seen change I feel like even though I came here and spent 30 years here I need people that are here that are aligned in this these ideas that I’m speaking about and you’re speaking about
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maybe this is a catalyst for you reaching out to local people who want to bridge that divide you know the thing that Hawaiians when you go to an event and you see white people black people orange people very few Hawaiians and when you see Hawaiians you you don’t I don’t really see their presence I want to feel them you know I’d like to somehow bridge this thing line is coming I feel there’s going to be this need to integrate and share and show and show your strength I don’t I don’t see that divide
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at all Jason I don’t at all no well again I’m trying to point it out because yeah what I see the Divide is if I want to do an event I don’t you don’t see that that there you go to an event and you don’t see any Hawaiian in the audience no it’s it’s not that it’s um and and I and I’ll I’ll preface this with understanding uh my partner is of Navajo descent 100% % Indian Indian Native American and learning about his culture over the last decade or so there is this Familia that takes a lot to to
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integrate into because and this was told to me back in the 80s when I got here and I was actually invited to go to a pig hunt which I didn’t know that was a great honor and I still regret that to day I didn’t go but for Hawaiians to invite you or EX extend themselves because they see so many people come and go yeah right there there is there is a buffer zone there cuz you know and you I saw that living on the west side when I live there it’s you see people come and go much more frequently you know they’ll
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come you meet these wonderful people and then two or three years they’re gone they’ve left living on the Southshore I live in kii yeah there is there is the same influence or influx of people but I’m seeing there’s much more solidness there’s more they the local folks that I the Hawaiians that I know on the South Side open up more it seems like and then you get to wuku and you get to kahalui and then you know you’re reaching into neighborhoods that go back Millennia and that interesting part
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about that now I was reading this book and I’ve read this book it’s by uh King David he wrote this one about uh his latest production I read it I’ve listened to it twice and you as you guys you might not know I actually do counseling at mle C on Fridays I have a men’s group there that I work with and some of those gentlemen I’ve been talking to about the book and they I’ve Unleashed this amazing storytelling with some of the men that come to my anger management group telling me stories that I have heard
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from King David in this book all this tradition that’s I’ve never SE I’ve never seen that I was until I started reading he David the same guy we know from the Bible no no king king of the island or King King David yes King uh I’m can you read that one Jason no you got your glasses on wait wait wait okay here we go we’re going to get this guy right this and Jason pronounced things correctly too King David kakawa yes the Legends and myths of Havi yeah yeah the fables and folklore of a
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strange people what is this an album well no it’s an audio book okay so when I walk every day oh yeah I listen to books and I’ve been listening to this one from uh he’s he’s in the he’s in the lineage of the the kings of the island islands and he tells the story of the white lucans fighting the the pans and all all these different Wars that were going on on the islands before anybody ever got here and some of the stories in the myth and and especially um the story of Pala the The King Of
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paa Who not paa excuse me king of Hana who murdered a priest or a religious person Shaman and brought down three years of drought where they had this an incredible drought many people died and all the this sacrif ices they made all the human sacrifices that were done in LA to try to appease the gods to bring back the Reigns and I’ve I’ve I’ve and just I’m not the one to talk Hawaiian history just not but I have actually just finally broken through this barrier and now with some of the men in my
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groups some are older than me that have been in jail for you know 30 40 years are regaling stories to me that were regaled to them by their parents and grandparents and so on and I just I did not know about these battles that had gone on here these this this rich rich history of how you sound like a politician I’m I’m stopping you for remember remember remember that was interesting cuz you said I don’t agree with you that when you do thing when the things happen that the Hawaiians and the
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other people don’t integrate the Hawaiian pull away so you were going back into history to show why and where those feelings came from to support it sounds like support the thing I said so you you don’t disagree you that’s why I say I did I say you was sound like a politician I was going to say you sound like a republican how’s that for being well I’m not a republican Jason you know that no but you know I was when I was trying to or a Democrat Hound Democrat either you sound like you’re green you
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sound cuz what I was saying was I you know oneon-one is one thing but I would like to have a show where when I look out in the audience I see the love that happens one onone the Hawaiian with the Hawaiian people feeling involved when I lost pundy as my local supporter because he had a stroke for 30 years I’ve been around here people don’t exactly know how I fit in what I fit in but I had a local Champion I don’t want to see that happen again that’s why I’m reaching out to Hawaiian Hawaiian leaders if you’re a
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leader and you’re Hawaiian I’m talking to you man woman whatever you declare yourself to be this is not my idea being but there are things that have to happen here that aren’t happening for 30 years this all set off because this guy let this innocent comment about we talked about that 30 years ago there are so many many things that happened 30 years ago that should have been changed 30 years ago oh yeah after Hurricane e well back in 1982 the we lost the we lost up from W Alo down we lost the road because the
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hurricane took it out and and all the core of engineers came in and said hey the old the sugar cane rail over there that’s the grade that we need to we got the money to build this road and raise the grade so this wouldn’t happen again and now again we’re the because of the lunar cycles we’re having high tides again and it’s like okay well maybe we should raise the road and I said well we got a whole bunch of money after this hurricane 82 and nobody raised the grade of the road along there they were the
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core of engineers came in said we’re going to move we’re going to move the highway back we’re going to move it back 100 yards we’ll move it back next to the rail grade that’s no longer there anymore it’s just a bump but we’ll we’ll raise it to rail R grade and that way we won’t have Coastal erosion there during any storms in the future and I somehow the money came and went so so we you know what do they think we all you guys out there K KU 88.5 FM listeners akaku listeners the people in
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Germany and in New York and all over the world in Australia yeah and uh down under I don’t want to leave out the Middle East people everywhere people Middle East there you know well we are in this together whether we believe there’s a climate change compared to what and who are we to judge when we know nothing we listen to science but I’ll tell you something it doesn’t matter it’s a personal experience and I live on Maui and this innocent thing started when we started talking about so
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what’s it been like I brought you on right after the fire see look how far we came off well that’s what they call a warm introduction it’s a I can’t even see it must be 15 minutes in you know that’s what I like about talking with you I walk with this guy I used to walk oh he was amazing he would do it in Crocs for Christ’s sake God Jesus Scott said Scott was in my mankind group and he said oh well if you want to De you should walk with me he was after some operation he’s been
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amazing they put him together and made things happen right here he goes and he’s walking five mil suddenly has me walking in keii three four five charting and seeing that I’m really seeing Improvement feeling good but then I had an automobile accident couldn’t make it to sto doing the gym well that’s a Side Story sto doing the gym my muscles Ariel used to go I love your muscles she hasn’t said that in a while I got to go back to the gym but I couldn’t walk so I needed to find
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someone Scott Scott works with people that need to learn how to do things like you work with a special needs lady I do she was hit by a car drunk driver wow and so he volunteered to help me once a week we go at least and walk in a pool and I’ve learned to use those muscles in a in a different kind of an environment with water and so appreciate those little things in life that thank you you know I mean you really bringing my physicality back again because last night I went to the mkp party mankind project party at Michael
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Wick’s house for sunny Elliot Sunny’s um up there older than me a little bit but not much who’s leaving for Thailand yeah and so we had a party there and Ariel Ariel likes our friend Ryan Ryan was the cook cooking ribs and chicken and Ryan works out and has uh you know muscles so Ariel likes mankind project men she’s out there in this party having a good time and the reason I bring it up was the muscles with Ryan I want to get my muscles back he spends four hours in the gym I used to see him at the gym
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that guy’s an animal oh is I didn’t know that does he oh is that this I don’t want to give him too much reputation but all girls go who’s that guy we have a a really great friend one of the mankind kind we have he’s a wonderful guy but anyway I’m going to get my muscles back Ariel you watch there you go and feel good I know you’ve helped me that’s why I brought that up zero gravity that’s fantastic oh this looh house swim lessons is it’s not that it’s misleading
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but you’re more than just a swim coach you give him psychological Counseling in the water because they’re in your group that’s everything I do you integrate everything I do is based on the cognitive behavioral change model which is either micro immersion uh immersion is a good word it crosses all all genres or between the jail and the pool and the ocean if you have an in an embedded fear you use a certain road map and that road map belongs to each person so you first have to discover their road map then you can
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guide them to a more relaxed and comfortable swimming experience or if I’m at the jail working there or I do my online group because I work for parents and children together and if you do you do that same thing and you’re trying to help somebody discover why they get angry or what triggers their anger it’s almost exactly fundamentally the exact same thing that triggers someone’s fear of maybe getting in the water or being afraid to get in the ocean fear is what generates anger generally speaking that’s why I find War
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so frustrating because it’s all fear-based it’s just we I we could talk for hours on that but when you start emerging people and learning that they’re fears were something that was created between their ears at some point in life quite often the people I’ve taught to swim most of them are usually my age are older I had I had a couple that were both 79 last fall had a they had a condo on the beach for 30 years and never got in the ocean wow you know we spent a month together in the water not every day couple days a
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week by the end we were down between cam 1 and cam 2 and I was out there with my GoPro and I had them out there swimming with like eight nine turtles the pictures of them coming out of the water just whoa how have we been here for this many years and like I I’ve been telling I’ve got a I’ve got some traveling nurses that I work with and I said what’s really exciting now is maybe the water won’t be perfectly clear but you get in and you’re going to hear the whales it doesn’t matter if they’re
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eight miles out you can hear them singing and I said and what blew me away one I got my first GoPro I’ve got a new GoPro now you can hear that when your video underwater it’s like I can hear whales it’s so brilliant you i’ I’ve been hearing him since I was a kid I mean I I made the great mistake I love telling this story I I’ll tell it it’s one of my stupid stories I love being vulnerable at times so I’m at Little Beach I’m maybe 19 no I’m 20 plus years old by just a smidge I was a a water
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polo player in college the guys on my team team most of them made the Olympic team back in 1980 when it got boycotted and so I was in great shape my buddies that I hung out with my lifeguard buddies and stuff we’d go to we’ go to Little Beach hang out naked CU we were so pretty you know that was when I made a packed with God that when I got to the age I’m at now I would never be seen naked on Little Beach because I don’t want to look at my it’s hard enough looking in the mirror so here I
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am at Little Beach we’re hanging out with buds having beers it’s you know pot of whales comes in I’m naked I have a pair of goggles I’ll swim out there it’s 8,000 yards that’s snap of the fingers I do 7,000 yards a day on the water back in those days I swam out there hung with the whales hung with the whales you know and that was one of those stupid moments where you realize after an hour of being in crystal clear water with a mom and a maybe a 2-year-old calf and another that
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hour is that that’s that much well if you’re out there for an hour that’s you know you’re moving oh you I forgot you’re a rescue guy too you rescue fires you rescue water things yeah it’s just I if you want to know who Superman is in real life Clark Kent uhh no it’s this guy Scott Bush I I’ve got more replacement parts that I would like to know but they just oh you know I oh hey are you getting your new parts no but well that’s a story I was Ariel got me a shirt and I was going to wear it today
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and then I looked at my body and said I’m not ready to go but I said so in a second I’ll take it it’s it’s a shirt I wore that she got me I thought was funny no I have a Bas maker so that’s is that’s a replacement part or that’s a replacement part yeah all right then I that’s a supercharger then I have a replacement part you got replacement parts yeah but I have a shirt that says what does it say built in the 50s original un rest stored some part still in working order perfect nice nice
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shirt but I thought nah that’s too much to start a show no shoot and I was going to show that and then talk about Ryan see I had a here you go you know I enjoyed myself you know every time I get around the mankind group I say to myself one of the women there said I want to be in the mankind group women you know their lots of groups and there are some here that even call themselves affiliated with mankind right on the mainland there’s big there’s big I was going to say women against women no it’s
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not no no the women mkp has women’s groups on the mainland cuz I remember Dwayne Elliott’s wife Indigo Indigo ball beautiful wonderful lady amazing lady who um uh started with Phyllis Newman Phyllis Newman I’m mentioning you and your husband Harry Newman on a couple of shows I guess it’s important that we get in touch again but they they started Women Within and they were given the training from the mainland to be able to expand and Dwayne uh Sunny Elliott who’s just leaving right to Thailand has done
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126 trainings that’s incredible and we have his son who’s done like 30 something and now Sam molus has done Bunch oh yeah you know mankind project grows you know it’s an idea of what is the best you can be and not being afraid to be that we’ve we’ve become so dumb down as men in the last probably 20 years you can stand up and be strong and be a male and not be aggressive and an so you know there’s a there’s a balance there and you can be gay and be a male there you go and not be you
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know it’s like the the interaction of people and all the growth in people doesn’t have to be pulling us apart right it should be making us see how together we are and can be and just awareness of that fact it’s hard to me imagine the wars that we have going on and all this while although I don’t have a lot of anything I know there’s tons of abundance way more than those that have have need for yeah and I keep thinking that the more we help each other the more we’ll realize how much better of a
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system that is well I you know I think I think the system I not the system I think our our social media system is is not doing us any favors no it is not you know I I was shocked you know dur the Ukraine Ukraine event which has just been just ripping my heart out but I had swim lessons snorkeling lessons with a family from New York and all the Ukrainian family you know very little English uh two people in the group spoke English spent two weeks with them they stayed in condos right next to mine and they expressed to me how they
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were so excited about Putin finally coming in to clean up Ukraine because it was such a mess and I had never heard that I had never heard that on any any form anywhere and so for two weeks that I spent with them teaching their kids to swim then to snorkel and then being able to interact with this Ukrainian family from Kiev and how they were excited about Putin coming in because things were such a mess they said Putin is an absolute horrible person but it’s like here’s the lines you he draws and as long as you’re
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working inside the lines and he said they were they were happy everything was wealthy everybody was making a money everything was working well like you know back you’d hear oh well the trains ran on time or whatever this family expressed to me something completely different than anything I had ever heard did you feel that there was a way to solve the problems that you heard without the kind of level of change you and how they related it to me they were saying and this could because this was
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after Joe Biden was elected he said he said to for the people of this country to assume that you ukrainians were all in lock step against the Soviets or against the Russians makes about as much sense is believing all the Americans wanted Trump or didn’t want trump it was pretty much divided down the middle and they and they expressed it like that and I was like well something interesting to perceive yeah and I mean it it took me and then I and then I I look back I actually you know I coached in Los Alamos New Mexico I
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have’t I had gentleman a young young guy who I trained as lifeguard who was renting a room for me for about a year I think he was and um he was a child him and his sister were a child at the fall of the Soviet Union and he fell asleep in Kev and woke up in Los Alamos New Mexico the CIA had moved his family because his parents were both nuclear research physicists out of Los Alamos with all the other researchers in that lab relocated the United States and I called him and I said I heard this
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from somebody that lived in kib and I know you you remember just childhood he says well yeah I still talked to some family there and they were pretty much in that same boat that they thought it was going to be really good for Putin just to come in and clean up and straighten up the mess and I’m like why why don’t I hear this anywhere what what takes what kind of a change and mess you know I mean I maybe with this is a good form for I don’t know I don’t know but um why do you have to bring in so much
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military was it U look is it what happened in Israel and Gaza is it similar or money money oh I think Gaza is just makes me ill um yeah uh but there’s so much money that we’ve dumped into Ukraine really yeah just and the the amount raon all those the big dollar was the change what was the change that this group wanted that didn’t get shared with the Americans that the elections there were a mess there were a shamble and there was a lot of corruption but why was Putin coming in with an army
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going to help he was he just was going to come in as far as what in their mind I I I don’t know this for I just know this curious I’m curious you he said I said yeah they’re going to park there they’re going to clean up clean up drain the swamp so to speak I don’t know but they were going to come in and and get new elections new secured elections make sure everything was done above board something exactly what we’ve done in other countries and so I was like oh well that’s that’s a whole new Pro I never
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heard that but from their standpoint they were thinking that the country had been so messed up that here was an outside party that was going to come in with a good strong presence and they were were going to peacefully just get everything lined up Putin wasn’t Putin wasn’t expecting a fight no but imagine imagine you were a Ukrainian and you no matter what your beliefs were you suddenly see masses of troops just sort of like Israel masses of troops making their way to your border ready for rock
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and roll and they keep rolling and are in your country creates a real thing or and the Gaz is deal now that things are there are 300,000 activated troops in Israel that’s got to be a bunch of people in one group in a little area it’s like whoa and Gaza with no and you know I mean so when I think about why a group would think about bringing in Putin to come in and make things better it sure looks bad on a world stage to have aund I need a 100,000 guys with me to make my point yeah I I don’t believe
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I know I think and in it’s in it’s and Hamas is just and how we have people in the streets and on universities protesting and favor of the the Hamas as basically a Nazi organization that’s trying to kill the Jews I never thought I would see in my lifetime I thought University kids were smarter than this I really and I feel so let down well most I see these gay gay rights I’m gay I see these gay rights organizations out there in support of this Hamas movement when if you were gay in any of those
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countries you’d be thrown off the roof if you were gay what the hell come on wake up people do you know what you’re supporting do you do you think I mean if you just take a picture I mean I I it was really cool back in the early ‘ 80s is I had a a lot of swim lessons with people from Iran and the women would wear bathing suits it was all wonderful and now some of the Iranians that I have taught to swim over the last few years who have come from Iran gotten out of Iran have told me how it’s so exciting that they
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can actually not cover their faces and wear clothing so if you’re in favor of women’s rights and you’re in favor of gay rights and you’re in favor of any of these things I don’t know how you can possibly in favor of Hamas that is absolute that would be in 1941 being in favor of Hitler well and and the stories that you hear of the horror that they’ve left in their first day of Slaughter of so many people I we had one of the kids that was on the farm uh my my brother Tim slash uh uh they had volunteers L of
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Family Farms for a long time we had a volunteer on the farm she checked up on me after Lina of fires I totally dished she was at that Dance Festival that Hamas attacked she’s very fortunate to be alive she is and she reached out and I I just I feel so badly because she reached out checking on myself and Andrew after the fire and I forgot to reach out to her and I didn’t even come to and now I’ve been listening to her post about how what it was like to be there and I’m like oh my
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God it does back to your other original statement I don’t know if social media is doing us any good they’re not doing us any good we have so much detail to him in the real time hear that things that are being shared with us aren’t true compared to these other social media posts yeah we are finding the more we know the more we break down the systems that we have believed in and thought were and supporting us to find now and it’s splintering yeah social media is a and and the mainstream media you know it’s
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there’s much more information it’s hard to know what’s good what’s bad what’s real what’s not AI what’s artificial what’s real yeah what kind of world do you want exactly you know here on Maui I can tell you by the way we should prely announcing K KU 88.5 FM the voice of Maui a Kaku Maui Community television and media and the channel 55 also on Maui neutral zone.com you can find this show and other shows going backward and going forward you can’t find going forward you can look into my brain
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that’s but and you know that the fact is the the truth truth is everything we’re talking about on this show every time I hear it I hear it out of Scott’s mouth I keep getting back I’m a broken record that’s been here breaking I’m breaking a record in myself for the level of commitment that I’ve made to the Maui Arts and Music Association and the concept of taking the people that are here that not me I can sing if you don’t know that now you know there you go you’ll see me singing But there are
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others here that the whole world could know should know what if you were able to create money on everything that could sharing the art and the music that would supplement development of Technologies to improve the quality of life and become self- sustainability sustainable and an example to the world and employ all the people from here and show the world how abundance Works still have plenty of free enterprise how do you think this happens I’m not do I’m not a magic wand maker I’m someone that sees
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what co-operation on an island makes sense could be anywhere but what a place to do it the most remote land mass in the world we have visions of what can help save Maui and create abundance in food in fuel in housing in health what else did I leave out didn’t leave them out Hawaiian you see why I wanted Hawaiian involved Scott I’m a real broken record but I there were great people I’ve met um there’s a guy some people think he’s a little challenging but koku kapu you know him I know the name yeah well I met
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him it was a really nice experience you know at first glance he didn’t know who I was and then we had an interview and then we had another one I think over time he was running for offices there are others I try not to jump too I tried to wait till someone reaches out I I did a little bit of uh reaching out but music and art can be that Vision to create that blend that I’m talking about of people MH and so you hear how I keep going back to the same theme all the time you you sound like Leonardo going
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to the pope to ask to paint the ceiling of the 16th chapel yeah yeah I need some money I want to paint that ceiling it’s just not working for me there you that’s Chase well I’m I’m ready I in fact I’m excited cuz today I go see the first company that I’m going to in a while to uh help create this online donor’s base there that can help expand the viewership for Public Access television is it GoFundMe Jason Maui it could be but I think well the fact is it’s so funny because I haven’t
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spent any money on me in so long and the money that we collect all you think we collect a lot of money we aren’t the collectors we are the directors see the Les less that we touch that’s fine but imagine we do shows and now we have musicians working and artists working and people promoting and working and showing different cultures and being able to put examples physically on the ground here and be able to show how systems work and show that people are healthy and show that old Hawaiian cultural things and
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beautiful things get their shared all over the world may be a lofty Vision but I don’t think it’s too lofty it’s not lofty I think we’re working toward I think honestly we’re working towards it I I don’t think I think we get misdirected sometimes I mean I was so impressed um back when they were still allowing new hotels to be built how they always forced them to make sure they had Water Reclamation systems in place they made sure that they upgraded the sewer system for the entire that’s good to hear yeah
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they did that they did that and I was like wow that’s cool and I are those self- sustainable or not yet they’re pretty darn good except for Power and Water yeah you know I get to power let’s get the Jones act repealed we should be able to buy oil from Texas and California for goodness sakes or find other ways to do it you know well yeah I mean why are we buy why green waste that’s again I go back to there are so many systems that’s why I want this kind of discussion we’re sitting on a volcano
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why aren’t we using geothermal electricity my gosh only because there’s been no champion who can show how it’s positive versus environmental groups who point out the negative might have impacts on animal wildlife and and Diesel doesn’t no but again I’m just sharing I’m just sharing you like you might have a I’m only bringing it up you have a pet geothermal I might have a pet solar or wind or God knows what happens but you know what you can take water and with water and start going and
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you can have power out of water oh never mind translating into anything we create power out of water yeah we’re sitting on of volcanoes here just water water all around us 2/3 of the earth there’s so many solutions that we don’t have because others who have the power a power to control the power like an oil or a you know God knows we’ve heard all kinds of things how about the fact that they put a solar system within a thousand yards of a housing community and that the with our brush fires and
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other fires that that could catch a housing community then they don’t have adequate it’s like I just keep seeing mistakes in Long Range planning in Maui maybe you’ll tell me it’s not true well you know I I always had a bone to pick when um back when the Congress decided not to increase or keep the sugar cane subsidies sugar cane subsidies basically kept bald on cnh everybody on on in the state solvent um they cut subsidies and they the reason they cut subsidies is because the environmental movement
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came in it said they burn the fields they do this they don’t like their farming practices and Baldwin everybody just kind of put their hands in the air and said well I guess they’re going to cut our subsidies you know here 20 Generations that have worked the sugar cane and made a great living bought homes you can go find a job you know selling map to tourist and they and they and when they went to Congress if you look at what they were telling Congress back then they were talking about when they burned
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the fields they burned them systematically yeah we had smoke for a little bit but it was great it was cleansing it was organic but they packaged it like it was some evil polluting event when they were just basically taking care of the land and then they said well we’re not going to allow anything but farming to go onto those sugar can lands and now we see them encroaching with housing developments and this and that it’s a long I think big money has a plan where where I grew up where I was really tiny
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on the Oregon coast and I was fighting for the salmon restoration I actually worked on a House and Senate committee for that and I got to listen to very intelligent people talk about how after Mount St Helens we need to take care of the streams on the Columbia River and I realized man there’s two sides of very intelligent scientists and I listened to all this and I took it in and I took it in and I’m hearing it here I’m hearing like okay well we need sustainable we’ve got to have sustainable I said well what
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do we have here besides Sunshine seawater and volcanoes I mean we know that in Haka t or going down into the ground we need to go 1,800 fet and we we can make boiling water and boiling water makes steam which could run the turbines that make pre electricity basically right and I’m like okay why aren’t we doing that I mean it was a big step when we went from bunker oil that they were burning ship oil that they were burning in both of the plants and then they upgraded to Diesel and I mean they’re they’re
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running as clean as I think as they can but we have if you get if you give some if we the planet gave us this beautiful island in the volcano that’s sitting under it that won’t cool down for a million years you know maybe that’s going to be another show but definitely let’s talk about it because there’s no question I mean remember I was on the integrated resource planning Advisory Board in 1992 was it or one right in there yeah and geothermal came up at the time with all the other Technologies and the thing
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that was brought up at the time was that it is being used in limited conditions and could be more but because of because of the sulfur dioxide coming from the volcano and what unpredictability there might be was one also the the heating of the water in an area would disturb the wildlife now this is what we heard 30 years ago so obviously here we are and now we know a lot more than we did then I don’t hear that discussion anymore because there have been other pet things that become that seem harmless for example
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solar I was a big solar Advocate and whatever I’m getting old already 88 89 way back when right and but the challenge was those were 12% efficiency now the efficiencies have gone up there are ways to do this on existing structures and instead of massive Fields so do we want decentralized solar or centralized solar see the difference in our world that we’re now facing and how does that compare to way geothermal centralized maybe backup but these need to be discussed openly and companies that want to make money we have to
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discuss them openly yeah we only have three minutes why s of kind of come to no it’s all good can you imagine we spoke all that time we we do this when we walk in the water we walk for an hour and a half sometime so we’re going to have this guy back that’s why I like to think of him as a co-host because if I’m not here Scott can be here you know I still want to talk about the Hawaiian thing because I really want to make Hawaiians feel much more welcome in the world that we are until things can be
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different in some way that respects what they appreciate was taken from them and you like and you referenced your partner and how the ideas of different culture that’s a really good and important discussion I think it says 2 minutes and 45 seconds that just blows my mind Scott Scott is a really wonderful guy Scott R Bushnell Aloha swim lessons.com you know me I’m Jason Schwarz Maui neutral zone.com Maui Arts and Music Association go looking find out what dream maui.com talks about go fund me Jason
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Jason gets no funding he needs funding he needs funding he needs funding but he doesn’t take it personal and I don’t need money for anything I’m because the things that I would be doing are these projects and that’s what’s exciting because those projects are all of you who will be involved and guess what we’ll have money you’re going to get paid that’s what we’re talking about creating an economy out of who and what we are and how we can all be self-sufficient and be
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examples to the world whether we’re visiting or whether we’re from here whether we’re blue green pink Hawaiian Chinese Ukrainian Israeli God knows Hamas isn’t a country you see that’s more movement you know things that that’s a whole different kind of a subject yeah it is Hamas Hamas is not is not um Islam No No nor is the clue clocks Clan Christianity no we have conversations you know a minute and 28 seconds what do you do them we count them down or no I don’t know you know I
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in yesterday’s football game I watched the Giants and the Jets highlights oh my God that little guy that came out of nowhere yeah oh God that was awesome the Jets and the Giants three-point difference the Jets won in overtime with a kick my God and the Chargers beating the the San Francisco lost what else is interesting the Chiefs lost my new my my New Jersey Devils won my hockey team can 45 seconds Scott Pell you’ve been what congratulations to the blue Jersey Devils yeah yeah New New Jersey Devils there we go yeah people
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thank you for watching and listening and I hope that you will look at our other shows as well and realize that together we are nothing but a super super example of what cooperation is about cuz there’s lots of love shared here in the studio and Out To The World from all of us blessings to you will see you next week happy Halloween and we have three seconds to spare wow that was fun
