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Key Themes and Insights
| Theme | Key Points |
|---|---|
| Environmental Protection | Opposition to toxic ash dumping, reef preservation, sustainable farming practices, organic agriculture challenges. |
| Economic Challenges | High housing costs, expensive living and tourism, regulatory hurdles, labor shortages, small business struggles. |
| Community and Culture | Need for neutral spaces for open dialogue, promoting arts and culture, rebuilding community trust and social skills. |
| Media Influence | Use of cognitive behavioral techniques in shaping public opinion, media monopolies, importance of critical thinking. |
| Political Engagement | Importance of accountability, questioning narratives, inclusion of diverse perspectives, honest political discourse. |
| Technological Impact | AI as a helpful tool but with concerns over over-reliance, misinformation, and authenticity of content. |
Summary Table: Maui Economic and Environmental Snapshot
| Aspect | Status / Challenge | Notes / Examples |
|---|---|---|
| Housing Affordability | Very high costs; $165K+ income needed for loans | Past low-down-payment programs discontinued |
| Labor Market | Skilled labor shortages; $50/hr entry jobs for Lāna‘i recovery | Need for consistent attendance over certification |
| Agriculture | Shift from sugar cane to pesticide-dependent fruit/veg farming | Organic farming difficult; companion planting as solution |
| Small Business Environment | Regulatory complexity hinders restaurant openings; food trucks thrive | Retail giants succeed due to resources |
| Media Ownership | Consolidation by large firms (e.g., BlackRock) impacts information diversity | Raises concerns about bias and control |
| Community Dialogue | Decline in traditional social spaces, rise of polarization | Neutral Zone show as a platform for open dialogue |
| Environmental Preservation | Toxic ash threats, reef health, and sustainable land use | Strong emphasis on protecting natural resources |
Overall Conclusion:
The discussion underscores the intertwined challenges of environmental sustainability, economic hardship, and social fragmentation on Maui. It advocates for transparent governance, community engagement, sustainable agriculture, and thoughtful media consumption as essential pillars for Maui’s resilient future. The show itself represents a microcosm of these efforts, fostering dialogue and raising awareness to empower local solutions.
Full Transcript
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[Music] well hello everyone it’s Monday at 11 and we’re at the neutral zone Welcome to our show well hello everyone today is July 8th in one month we’re going to hear about the uh Lino fires because that’s August 8th so it’s been a whole year and uh in that year we’ve heard a lot about it in fact um someone that was a friend and still is a friend the lwha swim lessons Chief Scott R Bushnell who here in the studio good morning he has been here in the studio I guess it’s
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been like eight or nine times seven eight some kind of a number some number I call it and he was in the field brought me story about Olu wallu when before there was any movement of Earth from Lina Scott made me aware and I thought that was a great thing and then it coupled into and you saw we did a number of shows about olalo and what I call the toxic dumping of L’s toxic Ash but that’s a whole other subject but Scott’s been good at pointing out issues he’s very very he’ll tell you sure he’s
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going to become a host here I’m G to go on hiatus I guess I don’t know how we call it I have an operation coming up and I want to bring things in the music and art area of up a level so that what we talk about here will’ll have some of that and develop more programming both on the television media side and the radio side to bring up the ideas that I’ve been sharing for all these years you’ve been hearing me Scott I’m I’ve been hearing you as long as I’ve known you yeah promote art music and culture
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educate people about Environmental Solutions raise money Implement them here be an example to the world send people home with more than just a suntan sounds like out of a can but fact it’s backed by lots of things and ideas that need the money and wherewith all and um I don’t know about you but when I look at our budget and see it over the 1 billion plus plus plus Mark and we have need for things that we can’t Supply here how is an environmental Solution that’s going to help us get funded
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before it can be proven so that one might do it in scale and make it an economic right winner see so that’s the goal here that’s my goal and has been way right I mean people come to visit here not for the not not for the amenities as much as for the sandy beaches and our Blue Clear Water and you can’t do anything to improve that can improve access for that um I know we we have some of the best food on the planet here so we have great restaurants but we would like I would like to bring prices down and there are
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ways to do that I’d like to bring wages up but somewhere somewhere in the me yeah somewhere in the middle well I think both have to happen but if you bring wages up and we’re already the people that are visiting spending 500 800 I heard crazy numbers I heard someone went to Leni and told me $1,500 a night oh yeah all all day long that’s just a sleeping place we we before laigh burn we took the ferry over there and thinking the little store had reopened you know we were going to buy some
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snacks and stuff hang out on the beach snorkel shark Cove and nothing was open we walked over the Four Seasons and it was $18 for a cup of coffee oh no beautiful I mean on the most beautiful it walked all through the grounds it was so beautiful but my Lord that’s a whole another level I mean you could so when you’re talking about we have beautiful beaches and my thing is number one like you’ve already help me point out we want to keep it that way by not putting toxic Ash where we have
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water and going into a reef that can be destroyed right and those issues and the cultural issues which I’m sure we’re going to be bringing up yeah but I am a big fan of they have so overbuilt the expensive stuff to live in now now there’s no places to live they have some fire and suddenly take care of the people in the fire we’ve been in deep in hot water for housing before that now and now we need people to build we are very shy on people to build things the infrastructure needs to be rebuilt I I
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to this day I’m still scratching my head because you know when I worked on their family farm up above all up above uh pukal or ola yeah and good morning good morning good morning yeah you know and I dealt with inspectors putting in wiring and underground cabling between the Ohana and our solar shed and all of that that went through to put that 600 yards of line in and I was like man there was like four or five Inspections just to put in a power line and it’s off-grid power line I was like wow how are they going
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to rebuild Lina we they go through inspectors here pretty quickly I mean it’s uh it’s it’s a tough one I I think things are going to I I believe mayor Bon and Josh Green are on the right track to maybe streamline the permit process and that and and that permit process is just a small Peak through the window of the powerful people we have in non-elected places who are dispensing rulings and control over growth and under people abilities to do things with their own personal properties that were never elected they
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created uh their own set of rules and they’re dispensing them on the people’s of Maui and it’s become very difficult just to do anything all the food trucks that we see here in Hawaii that’s a symptom of a failing system those people with their amaz ly good food during an upwards robust economy that’s not Shackled by uh difficult and confusing uh Matrix which it is to open a business you know people that usually open restaurants have like two or three or a friend or two that are amazing cooks and
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amazing cook does not make an accountant an amazing cook does not make a manager who can go through the tax code and go through everything it takes to have employees working for you because it’s become so difficult to be a Independent Business person yep and that’s why we have Walmarts and Sam’s Club is doing so well and it’s it’s sad where’s Sam’s Club oh excuse me Walmart I always think Walmart Sam’s Club Walmart and Costco things of that nature I see the big box
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stores the big box stores yeah they have a they have a whole team of look attorneys and accountants and I mean I remember when um when uh Kmart closed and there was a couple of companies that were coming in and looking at that building it’s a great spot and all of a sudden I hear the talk and I might have heard on your show or I might have read it on Maui news about they had interested people it’s going to be great there’s going to be another really good place there I think it might have been
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it wasn’t on my show but no but and then they just yeah yeah it was like it was a news thing and they they were oh yeah Kmart’s leaving but don’t worry folks there’s other people lined up that really want that space and it just never happened well now it’s a giant U-Haul now it’s yeah but it’s and they store um cars there uh in enclosed in the back for the dealerships the same thing with when Lowe’s closed their location it open the new one the beautiful spes have just
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jump in because boy I’m just here this huge big space and yet if you’re living on this island and you’re struggling and you need a little space to put your little bit of stuff it becomes like the size of a rent the cost of renting these spaces you’re talking about it’s unbelievable well it’s C it’s it’s it’s just to rent uh Andrew and I had a uh a 4×8 um rental uh storage unit yeah storage unit and for years it was like 50 bucks a month and it was like great I
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can keep all my power tools there and and all that yeah by the time we finally decided this is ridiculous we’ll just move the tools somewhere else at home it that was like $275 a month for a 4×8 isn’t that ridiculous yeah when you talk about big space like that I thought U-Haul had the potential to add inventory to the space available on the island yeah and could make things more affordable for people on the again the low-end people that have no places and have no things or need to store because
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they’re play hard to make it’s getting impossible yeah the our wages have lost step with reality I mean just just making the wages to qualify for these houses that they’re supposedly putting out what Bank of America Bank of Hawaii and the major lenders on the island according to what I read on Maui news now you need to have $165,000 of gross income po a family or a single individual to afford a home loan depends what size for sure the 165,000 yeah a year that just shows you where the price of
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properties are at because that’s that’s a high income I mean when you go in the loan business and you say well you can’t have typical loan you can’t have more than 36% that if you start 41% of your income so wait a minute those payments got to be huge and down payments which used to be remember all the programs super low down and someone’s going to pay your your 10% or your 5% right all that stuff is 5% is a zillion yeah it used to be the economy was so strong um up until the bubble break of
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2008 you could go in and get like a 1 and a half% down payment loan right which you never made a payment on you like got $40,000 this is your down and you paid 1 and a half% on it but you never paid that loan off until you either rolled the property over which was a really great incentive I was flipping houses for quite a while or you paid it off when your first was paid off and you were allowed to not keep you had to keep the house a certain amount of time yeah you had to keep the house about five six years yeah and he
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had to do the the renovations on it but it was really amazing program I mean I I know now what I’ve learned here which I that it’s so difficult for people to even get their faucet repaired or get a door rehung or a a light fixture changed you know people I’ve talked to said they’ve waited you know months if not years to have a a chandelier not a chandelier but you know a ceiling fan not only is there lack of number of qualified people to do it the prices are so high in the sky oh yeah people can’t
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afford to I mean it’s just nutty here oh we you and I have have a friend that makes custom Cabinetry and he’s pushing 80 and he’s still making cabinets for folks and still bringing in a pretty penny an incredible amount of money while there are many people here that need work that can’t afford to hire him he’s busy for the next zillion years and who’s who’s doing the regular stuff I I I I see really good saying you know I work I I teach anger management at mle C right and uh I’m seeing really good
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things I’m hearing amazingly good things from some of the inmates that are taking my class over there that they’re starting a lot of workers uh over for the Lina recovery is starting right at about $50 an hour and that’s like an entry wage okay so who pays that who pays that the insurance companies the builders that are rebuilding the infrastructure of the homes in L and these people that might get those $50 an hour jobs do they have to be certified no we’re talking about zero training
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walking in the door but what you have to do is and this is very difficult for a lot of people today is show up continuously day after day after day and do the work why is that impossible there’s a lot of people that um the don’t have the mindset don’t have the same dedication to a job well done is that maybe because we used to work for companies from a long time and we sort of wrapped into their retirement plan and the bonus plan and the health plan and now things are different and they
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don’t bundle them together you may not be at that employer very long you’re all independent and controlling your own taxes because it’s better for the contractor all kinds of exact sorted things all our laws have made it free well and screwing up the way oh it’s been difficult yes but we’re seeing that you know I I was I I think that line is probably on the right track um I’m seeing really positive things I’m hearing positive things back you know we went over there to uh have breakfast at
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Denny’s the other day Denny’s is still open in the it’s not they can’t find anybody to work where is Denny’s in the used to be in the it’s right next to Safeway and every once in a while you get in the mood for a grand slam well you see I have haven’t been I it’s running I haven’t been over there to see that it changed like Lulu where Lulu’s used to be in that Center um behind a big but by by the caner the caner mall they’re right there wow okay and there’s
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and there’s a Philly days take place there that’s boss frogs is right there too um I haven’t been to the West Side since the fire that’s that’s hard to take yeah I uh I actually rode the bus cuz the bus sits up higher I said yeah I’m going to ride the bus I’m just going to go if you ever just have a day where you just want to go somewhere and not burn gas just step on a bus and you can tour the entire Island breakes my heart to to see that I live there oh yeah I mean the
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places I’ve lived the Maui Islander gone um and why are they making it so impossible you know I like when they put in the paper hey 30 people have gone through the process and are starting the process to rebuild here’s how they did it well we got to have a strategy to be able to you that’s exactly it ridiculous it’s not that you’re and just like I said that people the food truck industry we’ve got people who have great skills at cooking and baking and making things they don’t have the skills to navigate
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navigate the the FI the fin of getting around and being a small business person on the island and where you going to find the people to build these properties that were talking about yeah I see the tiny homes over here by um the flag church and I’m like oh yeah in the middle of town it’s horrible how long it’s taken it is but I I I I I I see this as the same thing that happened to Detroit uh during the Auto industry and they just they just created a ghetto you know when the sugar cane left
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the island after Pioneer closed on the west side and uh after Baldwin closed over here uh they said the sugar cane That’s all going to stay Farmland there nothing else is going to be there the environmental movement that really thrust the sugar cane industry into leaving the island plus their uh government subsidies lost right and now all of a sudden we have a non-organic Farms tons of them I love it that I’m seeing fruit trees and people out picking fruit this morning while I uh drove over
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but I’m going like that’s a labor intensive thing non organic farm you said it in just a few words so this big produce and all the stuff growing is not doing it in a way that can’t this is the tropics you need to use so so I’m just hearing you but look what we’re doing yeah we think we’re doing something good because it’s no longer sugar cane but that’s not creating a food supply for us well and it’s it’s sugar cane was basically a fairly organic process because the what the sugar cane needed
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was the burning of the field to put the ash back in the soil it was this regenerative cycle and they did they cane is pretty impervious to bugs and things of that nature that was not a uh an issue for sugar canane but fruits and vegetables are delicate in this climate and pesticides do hurt you yeah well our Lina Family Farm Tim Moyer’s Farm close family friend we’ve been friends for Generations no not generate decades yeah well since forever um I tried we tried to raise things on the farm it was
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difficult I mean organic pineapple if you’ve ever had it is the most incredible Delicious coconut tasting pineapple and I I planted a a lime tree on the island or planted it up on the PO Park in the middle of the farm that is actually producing a ton of limes now but the birds like those too so I I I I exper I’ve done the farm produce is workout yeah because you’re going to have to you the moment you think okay I’m going to go pick limes today and you go down and all of a sudden the birds beet you to
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it tomatoes on the island without having a hot house or without having netting all around is almost impossible cuz a minute they’re just at that right time to pick to sell we have a mutual friend with a house up there Genesis yeah uh watching his garden he was all excited there’s a guy he built these built these things for the produce I thought people could live in them they were actually beautiful beautiful but he grew the things and just like that covering them trying everything they’re no longer cost effective just
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destroyed yeah so the the if you if you really grasp the organic side of this you know why it costs so much to buy organic well now let’s go back to I love bringing this up there’s a guy I know that you know people here that are watching the show have you’ve been a faithful viewer of our show for a few years we’ve been on since 2018 six years I had Michael Smith on we were about taking green waste and converting it into a biofuel and creating biochar and holding Char there are things that can happen that can
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fight those bugs oh yeah and stay natural I mean there’s such things that have to be proven and then then scale well don’t even need to be proven I mean the whole deal of organic farming without pesticides I have a friend friend Jeremy Martin who teaches that over on the mainland you can plant Cooperative plants you put squash next to corn next to chard and all of a sudden they’ll they they they control they control the pesticides they just by the way they plant them see that kind of stuff we’re
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doing some of that you may or may not it’s labor intensive to pick but it’s a great way to grow but imagine it was a home Garden for someone they were able to create their own food right where they are and yeah bring I mean it used to be everything needed be in rows and my grandparents had we I grew up with a garden always oh that’s great and you know the corn was in a row the tomatoes were in a row the strawberries are in a row and the raspberries are in a row everything was roded out and but this
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new type of farming which is actually a very old type of farming where you just throw all your seeds in a dirt and rake it around and water it and now they know that wow they knew something back then you know and and there’s way to take what’s going on in these 50 some Thousand Acres of myip Pono land where they’re growing produce with pesticides there are ways to grow between those rows and be able to do and grow things yeah I honestly I haven’t I oh sorry my bad okay uh let me silence my phone hang
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on here we go yeah you on the radio didn’t see that no no we didn’t see that and hey Maui Physical Therapy I’ll call you when I get [Laughter] out well you know in a moment we’re going to do the official swap I’m going to give Scott this chair the scary chair oh it’s not that scary but I I want the the world know you um I want to say passed the acid test what does that mean that means we took acid and you know we found our way out the door you I brought Scott on and thought by doing it that
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that would be a good way of showing him but they also had to be approved by powers that be here so you have been oriented now to our way of them Public Access television and radio have different rules than the outside world and that I can’t deny it I’m going to be getting out of here to start looking to see where there are sponsors so that we can do things in a world where we can promote what we’re doing there we go be able to get a greater viewership and involvement it’s a sort of a funny thing
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that right before this show is a guy on Pacifica Radio we are Pacifica Radio covered station who asks for money and talks about money all the time but we we only have to say we’re a donation station and we’re driven that way right we can bring up some of the people that are have donated to our cause you know and we used to do that a little bit we could do it now but it’s really it’s not what’s running the station it’s your contributions and your cable bills so when the cable goes out in West Maui and
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3,000 or 5,000 people right don’t get cable down goes the money available to public access television radio isn’t even under that Banner no this is going just by the grace of a gift or donation or however they do it of this area right I I’m I’m really surprised you know you know back um in the earlier days of public radio and like Dr Dyer you know he live he passed away but he lived on Wayne Dyer lived on Westside he would go and do Public Access fundraisers and stuff and it would they would raise
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millions of dollarss right you know we have people on island here that I’m sure if we got them in and we just had like a marathon we need to put the line on the wall and say hey we need to raise this amount of money so we can make sure that hakay and everything can keep running smoothly I don’t you can see why I want to go out in the world I don’t know if it’s going to be local people that’ll catch that idea or whether it’s people on the mainland who are already got things going on here it it’s
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mind-blowing that black rock owns a couple of these hotels you you find big money they own all the radio they rent all the they own every commercial radio station and television station in Hawaii what does that mean they have the money that funds ABC NBC CBS all of the networks are owned by Black Rock and what does that do to the delivery of a to fair and balanced well it’s there’s a whole another subject that I’m I’m we going to open up that we really need to talk about because you
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know I teach cognitive behavioral change as a an adult adaptive swimming instructor I also teached cognitive behavioral change to inmates to learn how to change behaviors the frightening part of cognitive behavioral change is that it can be weaponized you can be convinced if you watch enough of one opinion and you’re taking it with small doses small doses and small dosage they can convince you the mass media to believe one scenario or another and they feed it to you slowly piece by piece by piece it’s
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not new it’s not magic it’s not anything like that it’s just basic psychological manipulation I do it to help people who have been so afraid of the water that they’ve lived their whole life and they have come to believe deeply deeply deeply in their head that they could never float or they could never swim and I have people in their 60s 70s and 80s all the time that I take in the water and we get them past that that same process is being used to sell soap cereal bread everything that’s being sold by the mass
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markets is been done using cognitive behavioral change algorithms to create a need I mean how often can you watch any television show or whatever and they’re going to tell you about some medication and some that you better talk to your doctor about because you’re going to feel better if you take this pill and you start hearing that and you hear that commercial maybe a 100 times s if you watch a certain program or you’re watching golf on TV or whatever and that slowly slowly slowly gets you to believe
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that you know my stomach’s upset sometimes maybe maybe I need to go see my doctor and talk about this I mean the pharmaceutical industry is huge I mean dwarfs everything and they’re selling they’re they’re selling you to feel sick there is no pharmaceutical industry that wants to give you a drug that’s going to fix you they’re going to give you a fix but they’re not going to fix you right they keep you on it yeah that’s the gravy train but they use cognitive behavioral
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methods pseudo psychological convincing you that you need something about it is there anything we can do about it well we just need to it’s tough because people need to be educated to realize that if they come to believe that they hate one thing or love something else or oh I’ve got to buy this product over that product you need to ask the question why you know if you go to Costco and you say I need some olive oil and I’m going like well Costco olive oil I pick it up and it’s it’s perfect the
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ingredients are right it’s not made with scrubbers or enzymes or the same thing that they make crude oil products out of it’s made by coal pressing olive oil but then you see the brand over here that you’re so familiar with you’ve seen the commercials for a lifetime and you just want to go I’m going to spend $4 more and get a a subpar product because you’ve got this name recognition and name recognition is huge they use it to sell soap they use it to sell potato chips they use it to sell
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cars dates okay Absol no that started do you remember um the first televised debate was with uh I believe Richard Nixon and and John Kennedy yeah and Nixon completely was not ready for television he he learned that was a hard learning process but candidates back then all of a sudden that’s why when you listen to Kay Harris talk vice president Harris she has a list of maybe 20 buzzword that she uses about school buses and electric and all these things she and they and they just stick on that because that’s
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the cognitive behavioral model well we see a lot of people K Harris does it yeah Donald Trump does it oh absolutely that last debate with Biden which was a whole craziness people are judging the direction of our country based on how good someone is in a debate that’s a pretty funny thing hope that we can get down to talking about things but always get down to how we can do it together we got ask question convinced that if the more we keep dividing from each other the harder it’s going to be yeah and I I
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I I I have this I I’ve been writing about it I’ve been journaling about it for a long time if you look at the amount of people who go to church or go to synagogue um has declined drastically yeah yeah um it’s not that people don’t believe but when you go down I remember um going to mass over in L town and I remember sitting there and thinking that I know the three people that are sitting next to me and knowing that they have absolutely opposite beliefs politically of how we’re going to get there than I
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do and I went but you know what we’re all on this Vision to get to the right place so we that was a safe meeting space because you know there were Democrats or were Republicans there were conservatives there were lifetime Islanders there and everybody came together because you were there because you believe there’s something better in the next life today we have nowhere that people actually go and meet and mingle this new generation that’s out do not know how to date they don’t know how
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to flirt they don’t don’t know how to meet someone because they do it all online so these social skills are just and it’s supported by the rest of what we see and go here there’s no place to go and there’s no place to go and listen to you like a music band you mean you’ll see them once every so often if they can get into some schedule and right crazy crazy crazy I want to do something now and let’s see how this feels to you I’m not g to roll a drum but consider it
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scottt and I are going to change places I want them get them used to sitting over here the big chair the big chair I am passing this baton of leadership of this show because when you say there’s nowhere for people to go that’s the reason we created the ne that’s why I got back to that point yeah that is it I I kind of wander around but we get back to your point no the the neutral zone where we can all talk and you know I mean I’m sure there are political candidates that you favor that I don’t
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and there are ideas that we don’t agree on but isn’t it interesting how when we talk together oh we come to Solutions and we want to work Solutions together yeah cuz there there’s the end result you know depending on who you want to drive the bus as long as the bus is going to the same place you know the driver is not it’s important we have to have a level of I think trust and part of that trust is diligently watching whoever is sitting in questions and keeping things current not you should be able to ask
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you should be able to ask every question of everybody who is running for officer should be nothing off limits right we need to have questions that’s that’s what growing up in the 60s and 70s and 80s you know with my brother who went to Vietnam Vietnam and came back from Vietnam and my father who fought World War II they were like we’ve got to ask questions why are we going to Vietnam why are we going to the Middle East why are we in Ukraine it’s like these are taboo anymore why is it bad that Israel
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is fighting Hamas um I mean these are questions that no one seems to want to answer they’ll answer in those small sound bites which are cognitive behavioral mean which will help program your brain to think like they want you to think but we still need to ask questions yes we do yeah and they’re important and we need to maybe you can bring someone from Bas here on show I have a few people that uh will be calling in I’m looking forward to my daughter um actually heads up the uh Wildland firefighters yeah that’s
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exciting yeah she’s been in Washington DC testifying um I have my my life partner’s mom who is uh whose Grand grandparents W or her parents walked in grandparents walked in the Trail of Tears you know what it’s like growing up reservation wise um we’ve got a lot of things that are going to go on let’s do this officially I’m going to take my headphones off okay and I’m going to walk over there and he’s going to come over here I going to be uh turning this seat over to Scott R someday he’ll tell
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us what the r is Bushnell come on right Jason all right all right we go oh boy look at that look at all the lights over here so now you can see what’s going on that’s nice boy it’s freeing sitting over here this feels like uh how are our volumes pretty soon camera over there there’s your camera there’s mine aloha aloha and your water bottle is it in the screen get my you can see up there can you see what you can see the screen see it okay now I’m good there we go right oh you can keep
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it wherever well thank you for having me as a guest on your first show well thank you Jason you’ve been really terrific I’ve loved having you on because look at the subjects you brought up today really you know you keep us thinking and keep us growing keep questioning yeah we have we have our uh height difference I got to change cameras what uh oh well the difference in height I’m a little taller than you a little taller oh what happens on the screen there we go there go all right oh good
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you see you think someone’s taller or shorter based on these camera positions oh my goodness yeah so go ahead ask me a question James I love when these people call I always tell them hey don’t call Monday 11: to 12 yeah unless you’re calling and you’re on the air then you got to call 808 873 3435 which by the way is at the bottom of the screen on the right yeah that’s a Callin number and also Scott I’m here’s something you might have fun with okay we’re also a Callin call out talk show
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that means let’s say you want to bring on um mayor Bon M I’m making it or you want to ask a question of somebody you can call out right from the air right and that that might work a little better for me you know I’ve I’ve been in touch with Bobby Kennedy’s campaign we talk right via me telsey Gabbert who I absolutely adore who I got to know through her office back in 10 years ago or so she was absolutely an amazing person to uh answer questions you know there there’s a lot
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of questions she doesn’t Dodge things no she always was straight up with that and I was like wow this is she’s this this young lady is going to go places you know straight up you know James here he is see he not only calls once he calls twice James is really excited about he was on the last show too by doing this I’m gonna give him the hardest time but it doesn’t matter now because I’m gonna be off and I won’t be sitting here in the studio like that um I’m glad that that to hear about
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Tulsi gabber that way when I see her talking the way I do and you know you know they say they start to judge you by the company you keep this is the only thing that really bothers me well I I I but but we’re friends Jason They Don’t Judge Me by knowing you they don’t no no but you know people don’t probably have too much disagreement with me but I’m talking about politically with all the the stuff going on the when someone starts to talk in a way that doesn’t seem clear like you said she was very clear and
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very question answering but she also asked questions okay and that’s what that’s what impressed me about her over the last uh five six years is she was asking the hard questions do you think that she can still be effective I believe she’s still very I mean I read her book I loved it okay Lov the book um I think I don’t think her her Quest is over you know she’s on a trajectory I steel field I you know when when she was part of the Clinton group um she was really on the trajectory you know as a
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democ or as a Democratic presidential candidate and I was like wow I get behind her um and just like everybody else that’s in politics if I know them personally or I know people who know them personally it’s a lot easier for me to go okay what’s the real truth what is the question you are subliminally feeding me things with tiny little sound bites which is a c behavioral Change Model that we use on the general public if you want to convince somebody that they’re a thief or they’re this or
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they’re that if you repeat it and hear it 15 to 150 times in different places you will start to believe that to be absolute gospel truth that’s scary yeah but that’s the exact same thing and I tell this story uh often times when I start with a new group at the jail or my out of the jail group that if you grow up in a family you grow up in a small neighborhood and everybody’s related and everybody’s close and you were raised to absolutely believe that when you see a green light
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when you’re driving that you stop and when you see a red light that’s when you go like manad and you grow up believing that to be absolute gospel truth and then you go outside of your inum or your group of people and you’re like what is wrong with them they’re stopping at red lights they’re going at green lights and so it’s a very hard thing if you grow up in your whole life you thought that every time you put your foot in the water a shark was going to bite it off and there’s people that have
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that stuck you have to make that adjustment but we have a lot of people today who have formulated opinions off this micro sound bites that program them to love someone hate someone by tie detergent over Downey detergent to Everything Under the Sun and I was not a big fan of the Patriot Act back when that or the patriat too but what they had in the Patriot Act that I thought was so important was now that most people get 98% of people now get all of their news off the internet they do not get it from the
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network news um wow yeah so what does the what does the FCC control They al they control some of that uh subliminal advertising that they learned about in the 60s and 70s where they could flash things on the screen that you your brain might trigger but you don’t see so that’s controlled by the FCC they had it in there that all internet the YouTube whoever could not allow for that to go into YouTube go into all of that that’s not controlled so we really don’t know sometimes if we’re being programmed
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subliminally because that component of the the um protection yeah so yeah we how often do you see people staring at your phone you don’t know if you’re opening an email if there’s a subliminal thing flashing in the background it’s conspiracy theory maybe but they proved it to us that it works a Stanford study um back in the late 60s and 70s where they had people just watching go in and you take a class and you watch a show uh on up on the screen you know real to real and and they were putting things in there and
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they found out that they could do that that’s not the Stanford study where they made the prisoners that’s a different study but they found out that after kids would watch this they said we’re going to go out and have pancakes with chocolate syrup but they’ be getting out like from this two and a half hours of watching and they they they realized that they could control how what people want to eat they know it works that that brilliant wow what a great way to sell your product if you’ve
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got big big money and you wanted to be a billionaire what better way to convince everyone to buy your soap well that’s scary stuff it is let me tell you something I just heard this morning and I really thought it was intriguing it said that the cost to support AI is going to get so high that it’s going to stop AI that AI won’t be able to support itself interesting I thought that was interesting also in other words that this is a fa only a phase that we’re going through which really was
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intriguing um it it has just become everywhere I love it I absolutely love my AI it’s Heaven it’s Heaven it makes you look smarter than you are right oh yeah I mean I’ll I dict I dictate things to my phone and then I ask AI to clean it up for me you know make me look intelligent well yeah just make this this make this uh letter ready you know right oh it’s a wonderful personal tool to it’s a tool my concern is and has always been that the people using it don’t try to do these things manually
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and exercise their brains they need because you’re under a time constraint but I’m saying in our world now our world is relying on outside tools to make it easier the one that really threw me was why did they stop uh people from learning how to create your own unique signature and turn you into someone who prints everything what’s that I I do not know why did they stop teaching people to write and only to print what that I don’t know that to be a fact but I you know I’ll look into that well I mean
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schools yeah they don’t teach you to Signature they don’t they don’t teach cursive anymore my kids my kids learn cursive well I was you know they’re in their 30s now well I’m I’m bringing it up because it’s shocking to me it’s it’s homogenizing it’s standardizing and though the one of hey we can take four seconds of your voice and now we can have you saying anything we want you to say oh my God I uh downloaded an app the other day I would love to show you it’s funnier than
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heck and I have a picture of one of my granddaughters and then I just said hey Grandpa wants you to come back to the beach and her lips moved and she talked it was this a still picture and it looks like she’s standing in the ocean going grandpa I want to go back to PO was like okay but yeah it’s I could do it on your phone for goodness no I’m not saying it isn’t Fun and great toys but it feels like it’s people are going for the easy way on most everything they want to go to the quick way I mean I
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can’t afford to use things so you got to multiply your efforts by some outside source to be able to multiplyer efforts I mean I just don’t think that this system I don’t know what system works but this one’s not working I think it’s a tool and we used calculators started I started using calculators when I was in high school so I me calculators are a huge huge Advantage I wish way I would I had a spell check when I got to college because I had a computer and I was like wow that was incredible and this is just
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the next Evolution when we say just these Evolutions are huge I mean are huge I mean what would uh I was going to say Charles Dickens who knows what he’d say what would some of the people that are you know real word Smiths and and the way they say well wait you’re taking my perfectly written story and you’re going to use it as the food for your story and think you’re the creator of this and in fact I’m the creator of this it’s just odd the whole thing is just odd yeah like The Joe Rogan was
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talking about that uh somebody can just take dictate a page or two of something something and say now write that in a Joe Rogan style and AI would go out research everything Joe Rogan’s written take something that he didn’t write and make it sellable that that’s actually something Joe Rogan said and they and they recreate his voice which is like wow what which’s really how does that feel that doesn’t feel good no he he talked about it on one of his shows that I podcast I listen it’s really kind of
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neat right now one of my favorite country singers is Randy Travis okay Randy Travis has a severe um uh is a Parkinson’s I believe so he can’t sing any longer um he’s sorry to hear that yeah I mean he lived in Santa Fe great guy he was here in Lina I remember when he was here yeah but now they can take his music new music and recreate it with his voice and now he’s singing songs again through the use an AI and music that he is now still producing new music with the help of AI because he can no longer sing or talk
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correctly well all I can say is that’s fun and it may create some beautiful things for him and he’s using it in a positive way yeah he’s using it to you know pay his bills he’s got massive medical bills I can imagine but I also know that it concerns meig that others that don’t have Randy Travis history history and using his own personal stuff and his own personal involvement are stealing yeah or the copyright laws are they going to change they’re going to have to what shouldn’t P that’s a question we
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should ask should and how do you know if something is real or whether it’s created how do you know where the G all that stuff leaves a giant hole from Politics on down it leaves a real giant hole right I mean how do you who do you even ask those questions of are we too late um no we’re never too late it might be harder work but you know now that you’re sitting in that chair I see I’m sitting here going I wonder how many minutes we have left I wonder if Scott knows how this is great I’m I’m really
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appreciating that you’re willing to be here because once people people get to understand that you’re here they’re going to come at you especially when you’re bringing good guests oh yeah and making things interesting we’re going to still after the show I’m going to be putting them up on our website now neutral zone.com and I share it on my my site so yeah and um like I said to uh you and everyone I’m looking for sponsors that are bigger than this around here all these businesses think
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for themselves it’s like eight three 83 people trying to get three things everyone’s scrambling here the economy no matter what anyone will tell me is in turmoil here locally and the volume of business is down and the people I know that go out to eat are the very wealthier of the people around and the ticket prices are high and the the venues that you can’t even new music has nowhere to show itself and all these things I want to change that and I think that’s going to take someone that isn’t
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on this island or some ones that aren’t on this island who have been using this island who now want to be able to give back through using its resources in a in a unique way and build it out maybe black rock is where I’m going to start there you go I don’t even know how you contact I’m going to have fun question to ask if they own all these things they have good interests but what about using the local people and helping support and create a local economy and creating food that we can all eat here that isn’t with
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pesticides I mean when I hear they do so much Citrus and know that it needs pesticide to support that Citrus crop you wonder who’s making this plan this is not a plan to help Maui people eat that’s exactly it and that’s when when they cut the subsidies to Bald one they cut the subsidies to Pioneer sugar because they wanted to make the island more more organic and more friendly and I don’t know if somehow we lost our way yeah so we need to be organic we need to be familyfriendly we have crops that
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grow here brilliantly we need to open up the hemp crop hemp crop if you planted hemp all around an area the area inside of that is almost pesticide free you know I heard someone saying actually yeah I don’t know if you know Phyllis Robinson Phyllis deals with farmers and has dealt with you know people that are in government here right that have looked closely the ca of everything makes it doesn’t make economic sense now you could get CBD oil anywhere in the country just with a you know get it online the old things that
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were happening are not happening the same now now you can see we just got a couple of minutes left do you know when the show is over right and you’re getting down to it down you got like another when you got 10 seconds you’re going to or 15 seconds you’re going to hit that top of the button there but you’re also the thing that’s intriguing is you see up here on the top you see those buttons that are blue yeah do you see one that says automate automate yeah it should be like the fourth button over oh okay yeah I’m
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I’m dialed on automate okay and see the mouse to the right of the of the screen there you click that cuz when you’re done and that song is over you’re the one that controls the radio station going back gone how’s that huh that’s cool and that’s an 11 second to and in other words it’s like 13c jingle it’s pretty rough because they start us late a little sometimes but we fix it all up f i want you to know that everyone needs to know that Scott R Bushnell is here Mondays at 11: this is K kuu 88.5 FM the
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voice of Maui Maui neutral zone.com and it’s simoc cast on akaku Maui Community media TV channel 55 how much time we have left we have 48 seconds 48 seconds so we’re going to get you ready and show you where the buttons are put your hand over there and get and you got to also at 13 seconds you’re going to hit that button I’m on the top thing the autom button you got to hit that the jingle right so when you see it get to 15 hit that yeah you’re getting close right oh yeah we’re getting there where’s the
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play it now hit there it is
