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Jason Schwartz with SUZY GASTREIN– Suzy is the grand hostess and equipment coordinator at Akaku Community Media, the affiliated TV station for KAKU Radio. “She has welcomed many visiting guests to our show and Pinch-hits for a Guest who could not make it last minute- Suzy turns the tables and interviews Jason. A lot of fun and very informative. …7-8-2019

Summary & Transcript Below…

[00:00 → 05:27] Introduction and Early History of Public Access Media on Maui
Jason Schwartz opens the show by reflecting on his long-standing involvement with public access television and radio on Maui, dating back to the late 1980s or early 1990s. He explains the unique funding model of public access TV, which receives a percentage of cable bills to support community media creation. Initially interested in politics, Jason started making interview shows with his partner Airielle to avoid equal-time issues associated with political candidacies. Over more than 25 years, he has produced nearly a thousand shows, emphasizing the grassroots, low-power nature of their radio station. The segment also introduces key team members, including Suzy, who manages the front office, and Tony, the technical engineer. Suzy highlights the evolution of media from traditional TV to streaming and community involvement.

• [05:27 → 16:00] Jason’s Media Journey and Political Involvement
  Jason recounts how he began his media work through classes offered by Akaku Maui Community Media in the early 1990s, encouraged by local activists. He describes the labor-intensive early days of video production using reel-to-reel tape and analog editing but expresses enthusiasm about modern digital tools like iMovie that simplified production. His nonprofit, Maui Arts and Music Association, allowed him and Airielle to share local cultural events. Politically, Jason explains his Green Party involvement in the 1990s as a platform to promote progressive environmental and social justice ideas. He ran for local office with a focus on responsible governance and open-minded listening, avoiding strict party agendas. Jason reflects on Maui’s challenges, including population growth, infrastructure strain, lack of affordable housing, and overrun tourism, lamenting the lack of aggressive sustainability initiatives from the government. Despite political setbacks, he remains hopeful, citing his philosophy of inclusivity and collaboration with other local champions.
• [16:00 → 20:42] Media, Music, and Community Engagement
  The conversation shifts to Jason’s musical background and his vision of using local talent to build a sustainable cultural identity. He recalls early efforts in the 1990s to produce albums featuring Maui musicians as a community showcase. Jason highlights the importance of TV and radio in Maui’s media landscape, emphasizing radio’s intimacy and the growing opportunities in film and video production on the island. He mentions the challenge of attracting local production assistants, which often leads to bringing in off-island personnel, underscoring the need to build local industry skills. The segment also touches on the accessibility of Jason’s shows online via Facebook and akaku.org, expanding the reach of local voices and stories.
• [20:42 → 29:51] Personal Philosophy and Innovative Technologies
  Jason discusses his partnership with Airielle and their shared values of slowing down and embracing local culture. He shares insights from his travels and new age spiritual influences brought by Airielle. The conversation touches on innovative health technologies such as molecular hydrogen devices that hold promise for treating diseases. Jason reveals his ongoing role in introducing new ideas and people to the Maui community through his media work. He praises guests like Jim Loomis and Dreaming Bear for their unique contributions and perspectives, underscoring the diversity and richness of voices featured on his shows.
• [29:51 → 36:31] Interviews, Media Platforms, and Audience Engagement
  Jason reflects on his favorite interview experiences, noting the rewarding nature of exploring varied topics with diverse guests. He encourages listeners to access past shows on MauiNeutralZone.comand social media platforms to appreciate the range of content. He talks about the strengths and challenges of radio versus TV, favoring radio for its intimacy but acknowledging TV’s broader visual impact. Jason emphasizes the importance of media training and education, including classes offered at Akaku, to help the community engage with digital tools and storytelling. He stresses the role of the station as a crossroads of creativity and social dialogue on Maui.
• [36:31 → 44:50] Community Media, Support, and Training
  Suzy elaborates on her role managing the front office and supporting creative professionals involved in local media projects. She highlights how Akaku serves as a hub for community members to learn editing, storytelling, and broadcasting skills. Jason and Suzy discuss the importance of ongoing media education for all age groups, especially those less familiar with smartphones and digital technology. They outline how individuals can get involved by attending classes or using the station’s resources for free or low cost. The segment underscores the collaborative spirit of the station and its commitment to nurturing local talent and voices.
• [44:50 → 53:32] Addressing Homelessness and Housing Challenges on Maui
  Jason pivots to social issues, particularly homelessness and affordable housing. He advocates for engaging large landowners, construction companies, and banks in creating affordable housing solutions integrated with sustainable and progressive ideas. Jason stresses the possibility of short-term emergency measures such as insulated tent housing and tiny homes, citing examples of innovation already happening quietly on Maui. He calls for equity sharing and public-private partnerships to fund these efforts, emphasizing that many homeless individuals are working or facing economic hardship rather than solely mental illness or substance abuse. Jason envisions Maui balancing tourism with quality of life for locals, urging the development of clean industries like film and video production to diversify the economy and offer viable livelihoods.
• [53:32 → 58:00] Celebrating Maui’s Unique Qualities and Future Vision
  Jason shares what he loves most about Maui: its natural beauty, beaches, local aloha spirit, and cultural richness. He fondly recalls the simplicity of life when he first arrived and appreciates the slower pace encouraged by his partner Airielle. He names local and visiting celebrities who embody the welcoming community spirit. Jason calls for preserving Maui’s character while addressing growth challenges through affordable housing and local food production, highlighting the island’s vulnerability due to reliance on imports. He envisions Maui as a model of self-sustainability that can inspire the world, emphasizing collaboration across diverse community groups. The segment closes with an invitation for listeners to engage with Akaku’s programming, contribute content, and participate in ongoing salons and discussions on topics such as homelessness and technology.
  • • Key Highlights and Insights
• Community Media as a Platform for Social Change: Jason Schwartz’s decades-long engagement with Akaku exemplifies the power of local media to foster dialogue, share diverse perspectives, and catalyze social and environmental activism.
• Progress and Challenges in Maui: Despite 25+ years of advocacy, Maui faces significant issues including inadequate infrastructure, rising housing costs, and environmental pressures from tourism. Jason stresses the need for innovative, inclusive approaches to governance and sustainability.
• Integration of Arts and Activism: Jason’s work blends cultural promotion through music and arts with political and environmental activism, demonstrating how creative expression and community engagement reinforce each other.
• Media Access and Education: Akaku’s role in offering media training and access empowers community members of all ages to tell their stories, build skills, and participate in shaping Maui’s future.
• Affordable Housing Solutions: The discussion on homelessness highlights practical, scalable solutions such as tiny homes and insulated tent housing, emphasizing collaboration between private landowners, banks, government, and nonprofits.
• Vision for Sustainable Maui: Jason advocates for a balanced approach that respects Maui’s cultural heritage and environment while fostering economic diversification, particularly through clean industries like film and video.
• Personal Connection to Maui: Jason’s narrative underscores the importance of relationships, community spirit, and connection to place in shaping sustainable futures.
  • • Keywords

Public access media, Akaku Maui Community Media, Green Party, Maui sustainability, affordable housing, homelessness solutions, community radio, local TV, media education, Maui culture, renewable energy, film and video production, molecular hydrogen health technology, social justice, environmental activism, nonprofit arts organization.

1. 1. 1. Where to Access Content

• MauiNeutralZone.com
• Facebook pages of Akaku and Maui Neutral Zone
• Kakau.org for live and archived radio and TV programming
  • • FAQ

Q: How did Jason Schwartz get involved in media on Maui?
A: Encouraged by local activists, Jason took classes at Akaku in the early 1990s and began producing community TV and radio shows focused on interviews and local culture.

Q: What are some of Maui’s biggest challenges according to Jason?
A: Population growth, infrastructure strain, lack of affordable housing, overrun tourism, and limited government-led sustainability initiatives.

Q: What solutions does Jason propose for homelessness?
A: Collaboration with landowners and banks to develop affordable housing, use of emergency tent housing and tiny homes, and public-private partnerships supported by government facilitation.

Q: How does Akaku support local media creators?
A: By providing training classes, studio access, and opportunities to produce and broadcast radio and TV content, fostering community participation and creativity.

Q: Why does Jason prefer radio over TV?
A: Radio offers a more intimate, personal connection between host and audience, though TV reaches a broader audience visually and complements radio well.

Q: How can listeners engage with Jason’s shows?
A: Shows are available online at MauiNeutralZone.com, on Facebook, and through live broadcasts on KAKU 88.5 FM.

This detailed summary covers all major topics and segments from the transcript, providing a comprehensive overview of Jason Schwartz’s work, philosophy, and vision for Maui through community media and activism.

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good morning everyone we have a special treat today it’s 11 o’clock and I don’t know if you hear this you’re not through the board interesting this is Jason Schwartz it is Monday July I’m not sure I think it’s July 8th 2019 19 plus I got here 19 went was it now 1988 well I’ve been here a good long while and in all these years I have enjoyed being on public access television you know having public access television and public radio this is a different kind of a charter than television

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tough television gets its money from the cable bills a percentage goes into a fund that allows public education and government to have access to create their own media to share just like the big stations and this has been a wonderful thing I have started when I was a political candidate thinking that I might use it to be able to and then I realized I couldn’t do that I wanted to do shows but didn’t want to have equal time issues with radio and TV was new to me so I decided to start doing interview

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shows with Airielle my partner and here we are gosh 25 more years later and I’ve done my god knows almost a thousand someone said a thousand shows oh but radio adds a whole different flavor and I want the public to know we are what they call low-power that means if you find us in the airwaves that’s because you’re fortunate we just had a beautiful guest show up good morning what is your name name is Suzy I can’t hear myself you cannot now I can out I wish I could yeah well someone’s gonna play with our

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buttons here and find out why things aren’t you know I think I have to do is hair good morning Jason okay you’re on the right headphone you are okay I believe it is so I was I’m here to give you a news that’s a little bit saddening your gas streaming back he’s stuck in Lahaina so we had a guest scheduled for you guys today we’ll have him another week hopefully very soon doctor dreaming bear many of you know him from his loved Aleutian and Maui topia television productions that he

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does and he’s not able to make it today he does it’s very talented that the reason that I got attracted to him is besides his presence whenever I’ve seen him and met him passing my friend Jim Loomis was here and they got an opportunity to meet and then they did a show and Jim just sent me his thing and I thought you know dreaming bear would be a guy that would be really interesting for our audience to get to know and in that process I we were just talking and I said you know someone has to do that for me interview

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me and interview you thank you thank you Tony I can hear myself tony is our expert engineer supreme he’s here at ka k you and holds down the fort along with sweet mama Dee she had holds down the fort and he is a great we have a great team here and Susie is on the other side she is involved with the television piece Akaku Maui community media I still call it TV but I think that’s a thing of the past already actually I’m running the front office which deal with aku the radio station on 88.5 but also at Kaku

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which is the TV as you were just saying they did a wonderful job yes today our Saturday under my cooperating that and then I but maybe I should stop this in streaming Paris not coming and I should come and interview Jason and you should be here Suzy is the reason that Akaku has a a beautiful face to the public she interfaces with everyone and has such a pleasant demeanor you really add you know a front desk quality that you know it really adds something I appreciate that thank you so Jason should we start I think we are

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starting right you’re not talking about Suzy let’s talk about Jason okay we can talk about whatever we want if you want to talk about me I would like to brush my skills on interviewing I should be starting with radio pursuit in the cell and we start with practicing and my practice today is to interview Jason Schwartz and you started with a kakou you start with a kakou didn’t start recently well no didn’t in 1990 I’m gonna say – it might have been two or three Akaku was just getting started

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Darla Palmer was the director and Don couch was one of the new instructors and with on couch in Council and and Don and and I had an opportunity to pull my name out of a hat there were Nikhil Ananda was encouraging me to get involved in TV the new media that was happening and there were only so many people who could take these classes it was very exciting new thing on Maui to have any kind of media opportunity like this and they pulled my name out and I thought well I guess I should go to class I’m that unfortunate together

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thing because I wanted to be on but I really never thought about behind and then I started doing it and it was very labor intensive then and we had cameras now I use this but we had cameras and got technical and then we had editing Bay and reel-to-reel and cutting tape real career antics and it was fun but it was intensive and I just got down to a science when Mack came out with this simple iMovie I was in heaven I can take clips and assemble them and do transitions and send them out the door then someone did an opening for my TV

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show cuz I have a non-profit that I started called mama Maui Arts and Music Association so Arielle and I started doing shows of events like the ma cooperate I’ve done it a couple of times actually before Akaku went up there I was doing it you know on the shoulder I’ve learned to master the one camera shoot so let’s go back you started your history with Akaku in 1992 or 3 1982 or 1983 soon as to that 92 92 soon after that you had your TV show without yet yeah that’s well you know it

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just started sort of organically it started with me and then while running for mayor I mean party candidate in 94 I met this incredible woman and that was Airielle and I pursued that and we started doing this together what did I like in you in me yes um I don’t know that to ask her what what you liked was I have ideas that I think are not wild ideas they’re progressive and integrative to be honoring all people and when the Green Party came along I got encouraged to go to that meeting of the Green Party by

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people that said you know you have the right philosophy this party’s starting we need candidates that’s the only reason I ran then you know but then I ran for council in West Maui I have so much fun talking to people because I have no agenda except to put out good message so wait do you ran without an agenda I had an agenda my agenda was to do a better job and deliver responsible public action through government where someone was there and listening my background before I came to Maui was in

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among other things real estate but renewable energy technology solar energy I was the largest solar energy broker in Southern California when they had a tax credit putting solar on apartment buildings for water heating purposes and then there was a some guy on that long story but he had technology too that would be ideal where the utility rates was high were high and it was either Long Island lighting that’s New York City where I had come from or this place called Maui Maui and Molokai and that

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begs the question as a person who left the Bay Area two years ago yeah just forgot about the rat race and wanted to just be in paradise I knew exactly what the process was it took me two months to make the decision and to get here I already knew Maui a little bit because I came here on vacation on a regular basis but I’m always curious how do people leave where they are from to come here what is the process how do you find I came here because I wanted to talk to these people who had high utility bills

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and show them that we could generate electricity and hot water I was on cutting edge there was this without getting too much detail curved linear lens that focuses sunlight along a line and they put photovoltaic cells under them and then they had heat fins underneath so it was a cogeneration system generating electricity and hot fluid which had tremendous application that still is great thing to be used but I came here and talked to all the I talked to the utility company I had nice time talking to then president Tom jizz

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Ernie and I he told me to go to hotels and all the engineering people but they were kind of reluctant to give their information of their usage and all the the nitty-gritty what was up and they were too independent to want to come together but that’s why by discussing these things that’s how people said to me you have the right ideas you should run for politics that’s how I ended up going to the Green Party thing and getting involved because I was already one of those guys championing

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environmental stuff that’s when I met Albert Perez from Maui tomorrow and my doctor Rick sands and Tony Rankin who did the saving the state market McKenna and Lucien de neige and people that are now very well known here on Maui yeah I’m the quiet guy who is but I was I was considered radical because I was Green Party and I decided not to be in the Green Party because there was no one to play with ever all that there were all Democrats and some Republicans so I broke out of the green party but my

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philosophy has always been open social justice pillars of environmental things that feel really right and I don’t put a party label on it and I mean you said that I run without an agenda I ran with the agenda of in every meeting I go to or I hope all the council whether they know an issue or not they come with an open mind to hear everything and try to do something that makes sense for everyone looking back when you were involved in the Green Party and now forward to 2019 has there been any progress anything has changed

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in for the better or the worse and what Valley mm-hmm we are in Maui yes here what’s changed in Maui number one is a lot of years have gone by and just like erosion when you keep doing the same thing the same thing you make a divot Maui has made a divot we have more people we have inadequate infrastructure we have no real aggressive self sustainability modeling coming from the government we have excuses we don’t build houses for the people who live here that are affordable we create an overrun tourism industry when I formed

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the nonprofit and its it started as art me promote visual unhealing art music culture environment tourism when I did that way back when put it in the logo I had a real back Bush about tourism I was modeled after debate permit of business economic development and tourism and I modeled my visuals from malli ink magazine that was around I wanted to be a supplement either to put them in me as a magazine or have me in them and I say me we then started this with the idea that we could be self sustainable and integrate poses positive

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things together well me quote out of it and find that people will find their part in this matrix of self sustainability still possible but somehow in their political regimes a lot of people’s have said to me things like and and very specifically that they talked to a mayor like I shouldn’t name the mayor but when he was there and they said what about Jason Schwartz and the response was we like Jason but he’s not a company man that means I didn’t want to walk lockstep like a Republican or a

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Democrat to vote we see it happen in Congress this guy Amash a congressman who’s republican just went out and left the Republican Party independent voice to be present at meetings have ideas to contribute but also receive and so hopefully in such a way as to make it all inclusive and inviting when people see something good and they know that that part in there is them they come forward and step forward and I think in life the best volunteers are paid volunteers and there’s money from people

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that have money that can come in and they can make the money I don’t worry that the people that have money will make more money if we’re doing what will create the self sustainable model called Maui we’re now 20 god knows this beard wasn’t great 25 years later plus and we you know we have champions like Al Perez and Lucien and and Mark she I could name them I think a lot of us have heard names of people they’re more combative lucien less so but more combative in their approach than I am and so I’ve had

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fun interviewing people of all kinds of things that’s where this neutral zone came from because people see me with all kinds of people and wonder how could I sit in the same room with that and I wonder if people know that Jesus right is also a singer just to switch the conversation from politic to back to Jason Schwartz and what life is all about for you coming to kku having interviews and really touching a lot of subjects and topics but other things do I know you’re taking classes but let’s

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talk first about your music because I don’t know much about you know somehow I really want to be a team player and so when I was young here on Maui and I had this idea of a rising tide raises all ships before there was an American Idol we’re doing shows here locally before there was an Internet and I really didn’t have a lot of support or money but we had bands and Musa McGillicuddy’s in Waianae band and at the kailani and and we’d have shows and we were going to take the best of the talent and put them

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together in an album annually and show off our Black Rock Road dahana King and I Baba and promote to the world and have them see that we were a model led by artists and musicians and a culture of these islands day to show off self-sustainability to the world that was 1991 92 93 that’s why when I got involved in politics maybe it confused people Jason Schwartz the Green Party candidate who instead of Jason Schwartz talking about this thing but that’s what it is none of this is me it’s it’s we

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and that this vision is now 25 years later I’ve had people like you were here probably after you remember jr. Moniz I do not some of our audience remembers jr. we’re gonna take a break here in a minute jr. was the chairman of the County Council when there was politics that was supporting the future expansion of the airport and he used to work for any of the airline we had this heavy thing about development than bottom line I saw junior after he was retired him he looked at me and whole foods he said I

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know you from somewhere and I said it’s Jason well you were right you were right about the energy thing you ever had about a lot of things you should run again we’d back yet I still don’t know who he is but I know I was not saying anything we don’t all love now the world has grown up I think they’re ready for all of us to start to work together I am they’re always I’m often a tangent here but very excited Suzy I just got Brian Cohen who’s been a guest here who we know did some movies

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get a job kuleana he’s at the creative media he’s the head of 9th college this summer job opportunity of production assistants came up for Temptation Island one of the TV shows on so I said yeah it’s a few of us I guess said yes I’m the only one that’s still there had one more week with them everyone else was a 12 and a half hour days I guess it was more than students thought but that’s the entrance to an industry we have to get the fabric of people here who want to do it to try to develop more things

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here because these guys had to call off island and bring production assistants in because they couldn’t find them on Maui do we have to go in a break oh yeah we’re gonna go to break but these guys are flexible so you only have a small radio station very people will listen unless they go to Facebook live and they can hear us there and they can go that’s good and they can also go to a Kaku and find the feed there and for your show you had oh I have Mouzone comm where I log all my shows I put them up on

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Facebook I have them on my page and I hope that’s a way that many of you if you like one of our shows or get an opportunity to listen you can listen to others and realize these are all sparkling lights think of it as a map a road map toward our future these are all parts of that map whether there’s someone we agree with or don’t agree with it all forms this matrix again when you’re old you know some of these things came out after you did but it well I’m not Keanu Reeves and I didn’t do the matrix and it

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into the writing but that’s what I think Maui could be and can be now I’d like to talk to our present mayor I’m just off on this tangent but when his wife encouraged me to interview and no one called me for interviews once again I’ve been sort of like sidestepped on getting involved in the regime and maybe now that’s gonna be a good thing we can take all these independent things and put them together non-government that means we have control quote no control but the opportunity to be the leaders and have

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the government then serve what we create to help make it better which to me is what I originally wanted to be doing with government way back when I first started so am ia Democrat Republican Green I don’t know you are Jason Schwartz who needs to take a break take a break who is a singer still hasn’t told you likes to sing this is Susie and I don’t know Susie last name but just know if Susie I’m sitting in for dreaming bear who’s probably going to be your guest next week yes and you

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listening to get aku 88.5 let me get I may not be back I’m sitting here when we kill the neutral zone with me Jason Schwartz would like to sincerely thank David Bryan for his support David was founder and head of school at new Road School in Santa Monica California as the board chair at the Ojai Foundation and on the or four brave new films the neutral zone has heard live Mondays at 11 a.m. here on kak u 88.5 FM the voice of maui and again on saturdays at 7 a.m. as well as on TV and on Maui neutral zone

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88.5 FM the voice of maui we are back we are back i have Susie here and I’m Jason Schwartz Susie’s gonna stay a little longer with us I like to keep it the whole show but she runs the whole place over thank you to my front office there now I know I I didn’t really sidestep it you think I’m going back to politics but I don’t really think of it as politics I think of it as holistic many people have asked me why don’t you just sing you should just sing what are you doing anything you should

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be doing that like it yeah I don’t want to blow out of my control no but I’d like to hear you sing how about let’s try this here I can’t stop loving you I made up my mind I sang that because at this cast party I sang I was born he ended up mama Dan and my daddy ganja they never heard that Tobacco Road from musica they didn’t even know don’t let the Sun go down on me see now trying to get more modern as I went but I did Leon Russell I’ve been so many places in my life and time zone

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but that’s a sort of a sign I want to say side thing I’d love to do that but you got to have the gate before you get the musicians around here because Maui is a very interesting market but I’d love to sing again in fact doing this TV experience this last couple of weeks has made me realize how much more opportunity we have here and how the idea that I have about putting all of us together and showing all what we have to showcase the world this may be the right time this is the right time this is the

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right moment so whoever is listening to you right now if it’s not you it may be somebody else that you know who may not be in like dreaming bare mm-hmm you know I’m talking about Maui topia everyone talks in their own language you know he I think it was a more new age more fillet of people that are open to listening to things with space and vision that’s why I think why Jim Loomis member jothomas our guest Backman who’s an amazing guy another amazing guy because we are filled with amazing I meet a lot of

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amazing people coming through Akaku for the radio for the TV it’s just incredible and I keep hearing the same thing Maui is a very very special place and I’m so grateful to be here and to meet all these people who are on the same wave as me thinking that we are all very lucky to be here yes we are how are we now if I was keeping you here where you have another question but I’m moving away I could go off on another tangent I you and I talk a lot especially after your show some time before but you know time flies and

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you need to be ready for your radio show but after that I give you some feedback because I’m able to watch all of the TV 3 TV channel 53 54 55 but at the same time I also listen to the radio and I listen to the shows if I’m not interrupted and and we do talk you and me and I know you have a lot of projects and perhaps dimensional you met my beautiful partner area is yes and area is very spiritual and I want to say new age she’s open-minded new school of social research she’s traveled the world

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and has explored many modalities and things and so she’s taken me into all kinds of different areas different people and different healing and extraordinary and part of that as part of our shows that were doing we’re gonna do some more new coming up and I just like there was a machine sitting in the corner of the room that hadn’t worked and some guy looked at it and up in Kula and it came out to be hydrogen this was a machine that took water and could separate in hydrogen and oxygen in a usable fashion and has

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unbelievable we know it becomes a torch you have hydrogen or oxygen you put a light on it and focus is right in fact that’s the common use but they discover that has extraordinary health benefits molecular hydrogen foundation there’s a group that promotes about molecular hydrogen has so many health benefits it just changes all the rules Alzheimer’s disease Parkinson’s disease cancer on and on so I thought that was something to share because we think for example there’s a an inventor up in Kula who’s made a

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machine to the liver this in a better way than anyone else has I’ve seen and so I just like to bring new and interesting things to people and I always wondered what was my role you know like all these years I didn’t really pursue my music what am I doing here I’ve been hopefully introducing the people of our island and the world as they’ll listen to amazing people and amazing possibilities which is why my guests like dreaming bear and Jim Loomis Jim Loomis is a man who lived the

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possibility he had a choice of stay in society really recognized for the gifted guy that he was and is or come out and forge his own life with his beautiful baby daughter and life that happened to here on Maui there are these are the examples dreaming bear Jim Loomis all the people that we could name there and some of them people say oh no he’s on this Ricky Hulk commonly these are people that have a lot of greatness in and really have a desire to give and so you’re talking about Jim Loomis who was

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a guest of your show not too long ago and dreaming bear who was supposed to be the guest today but among all of the guests that you’ve interviewed is there one that’s really sticked with you the most memorable one well you know this show has been I think I’m up to show number 50 so it’s a year and I’d have to kind of look at the list of the kind of but I enjoy these interviews that’s really I ended up doing it whether we call it the neutral zone or sages of the ages or mama presents I just get this

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fun sitting with someone and exploring like some time will come and we’ll interview you like you came from San Francisco were you a dancer there you are a wizard there what where did you come from are you asking me today now it’s not the opposite no but we’ll do that some other time right but that’s what I’ve been doing at my last guests is very hard because as they come on they’re all very interesting and we can tell the audience that they can go back and listen to all the interviews that you’ve conducted

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here where do we do that again easy at Maui neutral zone calm but you can also look at Akaku I mean ka ka you I guess both but ka k you on Facebook has a thing that shows off shows and I am an advice radio I’ve been taking these radio shows and putting credits on them and putting them on TV to bring up visibility for the radio station because it’s such a little power one you can find it on tuned in which is a program that really works very well on phones but you it’s just a fantastic thing that

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we have this radio station and we have really you know them probably better than me biscuits in gravy right there’s a show and then Ali is here what you do the motherhood show a Suzanne Kayne has a wonderful show with tons of guests and she she said she likes to have this show because she can have singers come and do a you know concert just for her of course absolutely that’s off the record oh that local show with Tony who was just here Tony though Tony was here and we go on a clock Tony is great and I was

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gonna say bori bori in the death store the the death show we are lucky to have buddy he’s a wonderful guy you know but what happens when you get all that live on Maui all these great people are here what the world could see from living a Maui experience ruin with us I think would be a fantastic example and so over the years radio I still held its power there are a lot of podcast being produced nowadays but I believe radio is always going to have this special place because as a as a media it is very

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intimate I actually prefer radio as TV it’s a little more intimate there is a a conversation that’s coming from the host the presenter and the audience and it’s really personal because it’s not it doesn’t have to be audience at large it’s just from one person to the other do you prefer TV than radio well I can tell you I prefer radio because someone is doing all the tech not necessarily so well and then I take it I like TV because I get a lot of feedback I mean some woman who was

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cooking for this television show right remembered me as a substitute teacher and when they were chanting my name’s at Maui on my name Maui high when I was running for mayor I stops up to teaching them or the kepala who’s the chief medic on the show looked at me with time from TV my face has been on local TV now here in Maui for a lot of years and it brings me a lot of pleasure to have people recognize and really be supportive as the world will find us we have all I think we have a lot to offer the world

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and I like being the host of that once in a while I get to sing that would be my dream to be able to move in goodwill and TV grabs them I understand that the spinach short segments for our new generation they really when I’m here watching people they’re always on their phone like constantly on their phone at this even at this television production set young people are there and running the world I I hope that our young people here in Maui and in Hawaii realize there is a film and video industry that is

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coming here and then it comes here if you want to get involved now is a great time to go to the college and get hands-on opportunity through productions like this just man that’s why I like TV because I think it’s the one that most people see on the internet visual radio is great it’s very intimate people in their cars but we need more power from the station the beauty of it all is that now with your smartphone you can have your TV in the palm of your hand you can have your whole library has Steve Jobs

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say three thousand songs right in the palm of your hand the smartphone is just an incredible tool it’s beautiful to have we have to learn how use it this is why I kept offers some classes into Android and iPhone hey our peers had them collaborated with us and vice versa to offer this for some of us who were not born with a smartphone how did whom the cost ERP I believe is promoting it and who does that as well and if you ever have any questions about training are the classes the salons everything that the

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Akaku has to offer you just call me right here as a part of phase eight seven one five five five four that is correct see I know that number is like itched in my years yeah you know this place has been an amazing amazing crossroads i lucien our amazing crossroads for amazing people you probably see political things and social things a lot goes by your front desk a lot a lot it’s a it’s a position and again we are talking about Suzy whether it was supposed to be all about Jason but to to

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make a long story short and just to give you a little bit of what I’m doing here it’s a job of many interruptions but it’s very extremely rewarding to meet all of this guest or to work with a team of creative yes creative professionals they just did this fantastic macabre parade on Saturday and it’s just so fantastic to be surrounded by creative people who also have a sense of community and that’s why I’m so happy to be here this is the first thing I did when I moved here I contacted a kakou and I started

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to take classes in editing video storytelling and then I was fortunate enough to be at the right place at the right time I meant to replace happy Dana who was then running the front this also a wonderful she is yes happy Dana I did it I did it we really this place attracts great people really attracts great people and I’m sure that they’re very happy to have you when you’re talking about me I can go on talking about yeah I would like to I would like to know what really makes you move inside I believe one day we

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spoke about homelessness and not too long ago there was a salon which was presented by Lisa Darcy and you had mentioned that you were also really moved by this situation all of us have a lot of there are lots of problem like immigration and homelessness and you know others it’s its life this is just the way it is but why don’t you talk to us about what you do what you would do to fix homelessness the first thing I would do would be go to the big landowners that have land that they can still own and go to the people that move

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it I could name names a and B I mean you know or Goodfellow they also have connections and even our banks a lot of things could happen if affordable housing development by design integrated with progressive ideas that you might get from Maui tomorrow for example or Lucienne of many others could work to I think Jesus said it I really this is very I’m afraid he said when you’re in wrong give the wrong as what they want we got this other thing going on give the Romans with some of the people that

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have the money can make more money we should give them and give them advantage to have more work and create more work and affordable housing and I don’t want to say stop development of tourism as tourism is important but if we don’t make the quality of our island good for our regular own people there’s going to be no one to be able to keep this tourism alive and people here who have their children move off island because they have to we need to be developing clean industries film and video is just

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one to be talking about and be able to do things here so for homelessness I think we could declare emergency and through all of us about emergency people think I’ll have tent housing a lot of things can be done there’s a guy I met on Island who went to Iraq on his second or third tour and his job was they had tents that they built over there but they cover them with insulation and throw them into even longer term temporary housing that were cool and there are many things that can be done

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to solve a problem in a short term we could talk about equity sharing the people that have the money could be well involved with solutions that are all available here the question is where do you get the money that’s always what someone is what it is and you we’re talking about the patience of the owners the people that own the land and do the moving of the things in our the construction company have the bank without digging into any pockets the money can be created and then all the time through rents some say supplemented

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by the government but through this process the affordable local housing can be developed either at the same locations or in other locations there are many brilliant people here who have many ideas I’ve heard some of them we’ve heard some of them they need to be acted on without fear and without the anger that happens I just see so much animosity some of the homeless yes are mentally ill and have substance abuse problems but many of the homeless are not mentally ill they are faced with the

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high cost of living here some of them are full-time working some aren’t there all kinds of issues health problems it could happen we can solve these problems Lisa Darcy is a champion of things you know I could get into it and start to get very upset at the heavy bureaucracy around help I don’t know I don’t say they’re not trying to help I just think that there need to be more money to get more feet on the ground I want to say foot soldiers to get out there and do it or people that could be paid because

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those that have the money whether you have your money sitting in a bank or you call it a field or it’s this account that shows you have that much resource those kind of manipulations can happen and we can accomplish a lot of these things and then the government can make it easier for us and you were mentioning tents tents I do you know that now and I’m don’t know if I’m supposed to say that Amazon itself is sending selling tiny homes tiny homes sustainable how much kind of money I make can I say can

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I say a $19,000 for tiny home sustainable with solar panels how big are small but you know you have windows all around so screen people building them on island for less than that I don’t want to name names cookie at this moment but no kidding did you size one-bedroom trailers and out there’s fantastic things and wouldn’t well I was gonna say wouldn’t it be these things are happening now they’re happening under the radar if things could happen and be more public there could be examples of things we can

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do to show the world of what can be done I think there’s a lot that can be done and we see it all through the internet has great things and the fact that Amazon is selling houses for twenty thousand dollars they probably also do the financing so there you go someone wants to do it and own it and then sell it remember what I was going to say you’re not old enough to remember Oh mobile home parks remember that of course yeah man you ever see them be financed I know people that made millions of dollars buying and selling

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mobile home parks and Watts probably still goes on now and there’s lots of things can be done people how much more time do we have we have about ten minutes can we talk about Maui beautiful Maui what do you love about Maui what I love about me because you’re the one being interviewed oh good well what I love about Maui is nature well when I came here I saw a place where I walked across the street and keep where now food land is and life’s a beach there was a health food store Glennon here on this side

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okay and a lot of people tell me oh that was already developed you didn’t see it when it was even more simple but there were no lights and you could walk across and with your bare feet then there were no need for lights now you can’t make a left in Kihei after the Kevin I’d help you but what I like is it’s a beautiful place as beautiful beaches it has really so much Aloha I came here and what I recognized was people that smile back at me and had a spirit and the local culture you know I got to know

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Hawaiian people one by one I didn’t really you know know when I came when I was coming to but I got to recognize a host culture and I saw that the visitors at that time and the people that were here at that time that stayed were the ones that are the host culture was still a small beautiful place and that’s what I really liked I really really was enjoying it and and now still it’s the people that to me I really love maybe when people slow down and paradise tourists still have I don’t have as much

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exposure but they’re they’re here and they try to slow down to our pace but this space here just is very relaxing it it erielle was another ingredient to Mally that really ask what do I like best about Maui I have a wonderful partner who showed me the value of slowing down the road to Hana le akela libelous do you have a destination that you keep coming back to well you know I someone asked one of the tourists asked me so what should I be doing here and I said well we have parasailing him the

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road to Hana we have new we have the submarine boats and submarine to look under the water over water those kind of things jet skiing how about swimming I just like Maui I mean I know that from almost everywhere in 20 minutes you can be at a beach and in an ocean and you can find simple beauty and just looking at a sunset I love taking walks at sunset time with Airielle I just love that I love it’s a beautiful remote location and I really think we can still be a self sustainability model to the world we

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just have to not approach the the group that doesn’t have that in their front the front of their mind approach them more gently and show them where they can make money in an alternative way I think it all can be done here so what do I like best about Maui the fact that if you want to see Willie Nelson you might see him in a store and say hi in a loving friendly way or mick fleetwood very available as a person you’ve seen these guys around they’re all stars that are here and recognize that we’re a more

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friend with Clint Eastwood here you know I’m only mentioning a few that’s what I really like and we would like them to stop by and come and see us at a cocoon oh yeah in fact I was going so they could be I was gonna invite them to the show but um chef Gordon that’s a good guy we can have here we have a few minutes left you keep picking at the Maui used to be that malli was a beautiful place it still being but it’s becoming its direction is more and more crowded and more people than more development

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and if we’re going to develop the first thing to develop is a lot of affordable housing for people that live here and to me that’s really important and food I think it’s crazy that in couple of weeks of no ships coming here we’re out of food doesn’t that strike anyone as important enough to call a priority there’s farming happening here will this farming happening here but it’s still not happening right mahi pono I’m hoping that we can have Shan Tsutsui he said he’d be a

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guest in our show I have to call him again and isn’t that nice to be in a place where people that one might perceive as somehow adversarial can come and sit I’ve spoken spoken with people and all kinds of different sides of issues where we can talk and see that we really all agree on what we want we want it to be better and that’s something you know I’ve had Hawaiians here I wish that I could do something to right the wrongs of years ago but in the land and world that we live in here what I like about

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Maui is I found we can make it work together we can make it work in a cocoon and kku offers this is a resource for everyone that has an idea a message to share anyone any of us can learn to do radio and just use this media or TV and just share Pentagon and sit in front of a microphone and you can just come and talk stories yeah and what’s really nice is you can then share it with someone where to find it so more people will come and listen and support us with a little bit of sponsorship here and there

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really helps a lot we are Pacifica Radio Group aren’t we which means we have some programming that isn’t local but it has enough I see now democracy’s a good one and those people ask for money so can we ask for money I guess we’re asking is massive yep I guess I just did it there it doesn’t even have to be a lot it could be anything and drink yeah as in foot support yeah so that we can bring more programming to you and that you can bring the program yes we’re also inviting you to provide content to just

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be part of it to make Maui alive now you are doing that commercial earlier there’s a lady upstairs Nicole right doesn’t she bring incredible salons here of all kinds of subject every Thursday night yes the next one is the fishbones so you can call me se I believe you have the flier behind you we can just talk about it it’s blue no not that blue is about it first of all it’s Thursday nights six six thirty six o’clock every Thursday night I can’t go upstairs yes they’re

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very very various topics we have one coming up as well on immersion schools so that should be and they’re all interesting we just had one not too long ago about homelessness with Lisa Darcy we had one about 5g technology of 5g so colors or to school on our brand-new website Akaku does or RG and I will get lots of answers there see we are a very interactive group Suzy you are a great representation representative it looks like we’re running out of time Susie thirty four seconds and you’ve been like

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a you idiot point desires from Maui this is the Maui neutral zone dot-com and we have this has you’ve been a great guest will have dreaming there maybe next week maybe one week soon don’t miss it don’t miss it there let’s do this if we can hit it we put the music on I’ll put the music on [Music]