“Taoist Sexual Meditation”- BRUCE FRANTZIS: Author Acupuncturist & Master

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Jason Schwartz With Master Bruce Frantzis 1-29-2013. Jason interviews Bruce about his newest book, “Taoist Sexual Meditation”. Bruce has been a major force in communicating Taoist practices and culture to the West over the last 50 years. They sit in a practice studio in Paia, Maui, Hawaii for a conversation on a rainy January morning.

  

Summary & Timestamped Transcript Below…

[00:18 → 02:17]
Introduction to Bruce Frantzis and Taoist Sexual Meditation
Jason Schwartz introduces Bruce Frantzis, a highly respected Taoist master with over 50 years of practice, author of 11 books, who teaches Taoism worldwide. Bruce’s new book, “Taoist Sexual Meditation,” is the focus of this episode. Bruce explains that sexual meditation is an integral part of Taoism—not a contradiction but a practice within this ancient spiritual tradition. He distinguishes Taoist sexual meditation from common perceptions of Taoism as merely a religion, emphasizing it as a spiritual path involving sexual energy and meditation.

• [02:17 → 05:56]
  Levels of Sexual Practice in Taoism
  Bruce outlines three progressive levels of sexual practice:

1. Ordinary Sex: Basic physical sex with common social and moral rules.
2. Energy Sex (Sexual Qigong): Sex as an energetic practice, where sexual activity is used to open and circulate energy channels within the body. This is not yet spiritual but involves deep energetic connection.
3. Sexual Meditation: A further evolution where partners use Taoist meditation techniques to dissolve energetic and spiritual blockages within themselves and each other, accelerating spiritual awakening.

Key insights:

• Most people in ordinary sex do not connect deeply with their partner’s internal states or energy.
• Energy sex allows partners to feel each other’s internal energy flows and organs.
• Sexual meditation helps remove blockages and can increase energy output by 1 to 4 times, making spiritual progress faster.
• Taoism’s ultimate goal is awakening — becoming conscious of one’s essence aligned with the universe’s flow (The Dao).
• [05:56 → 09:30]
  Taoism, Spiritual Awakening, and Religious Comparisons
  Bruce explains that Taoism is fundamentally about awakening to the essence of self and universe, comparable to enlightenment in other traditions like Christianity or Buddhism. He stresses that while outward religious organizations may clash, at the esoteric, spiritual core, major religions tend to converge.
• Example: Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism share deep spiritual traditions despite organizational differences.
• Taoism focuses on personal, living experience rather than dogma or belief.
• Sexual meditation and Taoist sexual Qigong are about direct personal experience and spiritual growth.

Bruce also references his student Kurt Miyajima and mentions the Maui studio where his teachings take place.

• [09:30 → 12:48]
  Practicalities of the Book and Its Audience
  Bruce recommends reading the book slowly and practicing the techniques rather than rushing through it.
• Suitable both for individuals and couples, regardless of relationship status.
• It can deepen meditation, self-awareness, and intimacy.
• The book addresses Western puritanical attitudes and promotes a more open, natural view of sexuality.

Bruce highlights that Taoist sexual practices are among the most sexually open and pragmatic in the world, having a continuous history over thousands of years.

• [12:48 → 16:04]
  Cultural Differences in Sexuality and Taoist Morality
  Bruce discusses cross-cultural differences:
• America: Characterized by puritanical repression alternating with hedonism.
• Asia/Taoism: Sexuality is more openly integrated into spiritual practice.

On morality and sexual orientation:

• Taoism embraces diversity, allowing celibacy, monogamy, polygamy, polyandry, or other arrangements depending on a person’s Five Element nature (Wood, Fire, Earth, Metal, Water).
• Taoists practice energetic “clearing” after sexual encounters, dissolving residual karma and emotional baggage, enabling fresh energy for new relationships or encounters.
• This clearing process helps avoid emotional stagnation, resentment, and energetic contamination.
• [16:04 → 18:38]
  Energetic Sharing Beyond Sex and Taoism vs. Tantra
• Taoism includes many energetic sharing practices, not limited to sex: standing, moving, sitting, lying down, and interactive meditation.
• Taoism does not engage in sacred sex worship like some interpretations of Tantra; it is pragmatic and focused on awakening.
• Bruce’s experience with Tantra in India showed that Western Tantra often dilutes or misrepresents original tantric teachings, focusing on techniques or psychological therapy.
• Taoism sees sexual meditation as a pragmatic, step-by-step path for spiritual awakening rather than symbolic or purely psychological approaches.
• [18:38 → 21:38]
  Structure and Content of the Book
  Bruce describes the book’s organization:

1. Introduction to Taoism: Philosophy, morality, cultural context.
2. Ordinary Sex: Practical advice, gender-specific perspectives, and ancient Chinese teachings.
3. Sexual Qigong: Basics of energetic sexual practices, how to cultivate and circulate energy during sex.
4. Sexual Meditation: Advanced practices combining meditation and sexual energy to dissolve blockages and facilitate awakening.

Bruce emphasizes the importance of making the book relevant to women as well, acknowledging some limitations due to his male perspective but incorporating teachings from Taoist priestesses.

• [21:38 → 25:45]
  Definitions and Deeper Explanation of Sexual Qigong and Meditation
• Qigong: “Chi” means breath or life energy; “Gong” means work or practice. Together, Qigong is the practice of cultivating life energy.
• Sexual Qigong refers to energetic sexual practices.
• Sexual meditation builds on sexual Qigong by integrating deep meditative awareness between partners, progressing through physical, emotional, mental, psychic, karmic, and essential levels.
• The process helps release trauma, anger, and blockages, while enhancing positive qualities like joy and compassion.
• Bruce compares the energy output of sexual meditation with other practices, noting it can be four times more powerful than solo meditation.
• [25:45 → 27:41]
  Historical Context and Future Relevance
• Bruce reflects on the impact of the AIDS crisis which stalled much of the sexual openness from the 1960s-70s sexual revolution.
• Taoist sexual meditation addresses emotional, mental, karmic, and spiritual aspects of sexuality, areas Western culture has largely neglected.
• The book aims to serve both current and future generations, anticipating medical advances that will allow greater freedom and safety in sexual expression.
• Taoism includes a belief in reincarnation, using sexual energy and meditation to influence what is carried forward beyond death.
• [27:41 → 30:09]
  Comparison with Other Traditions and Geographic Notes
• Buddhism and Hinduism are generally more secretive or restrictive about sexual practices.
• Taoism is unique in its systematic, pragmatic approach to sexual energy as a tool for spiritual awakening.
• Taoism is practiced mostly in China, with less presence in Japan, where Tai Chi (derived from Taoist principles) is more common but not the religion itself.
• Tai Chi is often mistaken as Taoism but is only a small part of Taoist spiritual practice.
• [30:09 → 33:28]
  Bruce Frantzis’ Personal Journey
• Bruce’s martial arts, shiatsu, and Zen background led him to study Taoism in Japan and Taiwan starting in 1968-69.
• He was initiated into the Taoist priesthood after a 7-year course of study and further advanced training in Beijing.
• His personal experience with sexual energy and Taoism started when a Taoist mentor challenged him to explore the deeper spiritual aspects of sex beyond mere pleasure or health.
• This book is his first focused specifically on sexual meditation after many years writing on Taoism, meditation, Qigong, and martial arts.
• [33:28 → 39:40]
  Writing Process and Approach
• Bruce spent over 20 years developing this book, with intensive writing sessions after overcoming health challenges.
• He emphasizes clarity and directness in his writing, aiming to transmit authentic Taoist teachings without dilution or unnecessary complexity.
• The book is intended as a practical manual and guide for serious practitioners, not just theoretical reading.
• He encourages study partners for practicing sexual Qigong and meditation, as these are interactive and experiential practices.
• [39:40 → 42:18]
  Additional Works and Teaching Philosophy
• Bruce has published multiple books on Taoist meditation, Qigong, medical Qigong, and internal martial arts, some considered definitive in their fields.
• His mission is to bridge East and West, making Taoist teachings accessible and practical for Western audiences.
• He acknowledges his style is blunt and straightforward but values truth and clarity over pleasing rhetoric.
• [42:18 → 47:37]
  Closing Thoughts and Audience Advice
• Bruce stresses the importance of practice over theory and the personal journey of awakening.
• He advises readers to engage fully with the book’s practices to gain benefits, rather than just reading it superficially.
• Taoist sexual meditation is suitable for adults of all ages, with most practitioners starting after puberty.
• The interview closes with mutual appreciation and encouragement for viewers to explore Bruce’s teachings and his book available through EnergyArts.comand Amazon.

1. 1. 1. Summary Table: Levels of Taoist Sexual Practice

Level	Description	Spiritual Aspect	Key Benefit
Ordinary Sex	Basic physical sex with common social/moral rules	Minimal	Physical pleasure
Energy Sex (Sexual Qigong)	Sexual practice focusing on cultivating and circulating internal energy channels	Energetic, not fully spiritual	Enhanced energy flow, deeper connection
Sexual Meditation	Combining Taoist meditation with sexual energy to dissolve blockages and accelerate awakening	Deeply spiritual	Spiritual awakening, emotional healing

Key Concepts and Definitions

Term	Definition
Taoism (Daoism)	Ancient Chinese spiritual philosophy focusing on living in harmony with the Dao (the Way).
Dao (Tao)	“The Way” – the fundamental path or flow of the universe and life.
Qigong (Chi Gong)	Practice of cultivating life energy (Chi), integrating breath, movement, and meditation.
Sexual Qigong	Application of Qigong principles to sexual energy and activity.
Sexual Meditation	Taoist practice of meditating on and with sexual energy to release blockages and awaken spiritually.
Five Elements	Traditional Chinese framework (Wood, Fire, Earth, Metal, Water) influencing personality and behavior.

Core Insights

• Sexual meditation is a powerful, pragmatic tool for spiritual awakening in Taoism, distinct from ordinary or purely energetic sex.
• Taoism integrates sexuality into its spiritual path openly and systematically, contrasting with many Western puritanical traditions.
• Energetic and karmic clearing after sexual encounters is crucial to maintaining energetic health and emotional balance in Taoist practice.
• Taoism values personal experience over dogma, seeing sexuality as a natural, sacred aspect of life without guilt or repression.
• The book serves as a detailed guide for practitioners, emphasizing practice, clarity, and progressive learning stages.
• Taoist teachings on sexual meditation offer a unique bridge between Eastern spiritual wisdom and Western cultural contexts.

1. 1. 1. Recommended Audience

• Adults interested in spiritual growth through Taoist practices.
• Couples wanting to deepen intimacy and energetic connection.
• Individuals seeking alternative approaches to meditation and sexuality.
• Practitioners of Qigong, Tai Chi, and internal martial arts looking to expand their practice.
• Those curious about cross-cultural spirituality and Taoism’s esoteric dimensions.

This detailed summary captures the full scope of Bruce Frantzis’ interview on Taoist Sexual Meditation, outlining its spiritual, practical, and cultural dimensions grounded entirely in the provided transcript.

Transcript

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aloha welcome to MAMA presents I’m Jason Schwartz and I have a terrific guest today you know the Maui Arts of Music Association we’ve had interviews with people about politics about our gun music and all kinds of different cultures and there’s some people that you meet that you save yourself well people do it to me I don’t know how to put you in a category because what you talk about seems to span number of categories and I’m sitting with someone like that right now this is Bruce

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Frantzis Bruce thank you for coming to our show this is not what’s my line actually I was gonna say what do you think he does Bruce is a in my opinion humbly a gifted Taoist master who has learned Taoism and practices which he’ll share a little bit he’s written 11 books he is well respected in the industry he’s in the industry of teaching and Taoism he has students all over the world and has been how long have been doing that was practicing 50 years give or take 50 years and you can see he’s

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really 140 years old and he looks young but the truth is no he’s not he’s a young guy 17 270 270 but um what to me and the reason we’re here today he wrote a new book and someone said to me you have to talk to Bruce he has a book and it’s called Taoist sexual meditation Taoist sexual meditation now and when I thought you know this would be a good subject because my viewers who are all over the world millions of them to seeing that you probably can see a few of them in the first few words they go

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would really like to understand this subject sex I mean Dallas we’ll talk about that was over here in a second but now a sexual meditation what opted you to write a book about sexual meditation and Taoism which when first glance most people think thou ISM as a religion and sexual meditation that they’re not sure how to put those things together but you put them together well Dallas sexual meditation is part of the Dallas religion okay like you have Catholicism do the rosary and catechism sexual

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meditation as a part of it and originally I wasn’t I studied to become a Taoist priest I was a seven year course of study of which sex and sexual meditation was a part of it and then later on when I was in Beijing with my mentor who was the head of a major Taoist lineage with a Coulomb organ in China through him and his friends I went to you know pretty much to the end of what that particular subject is here’s what the thing is the most religions in general would they only deal with ordinary sex what do you

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should do what you shouldn’t do with it’s okay it’s not okay under what conditions will blah blah blah we’re all familiar with that and so that’s ordinary sex and all you need to do to have ordinary sex is have a body and have a willingness to give it a go and hopefully have a – loose enough to give it a go because a lot of people really don’t have that even but then you go to the next level of which many people are familiar with terms like Tantra that’s used out there then you go

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to the next level which is energy sex which is not yet spiritual it’s energetic where your body has many many many energy channels which can be used for spirituality but that doesn’t have to be and it’s about how you have sex to open up the energies inside of human being then you go to the third level where you learn how to do Taoist meditation you have learned how to open up the channels of your body and then you start doing that between the two people so that you can accelerate this process now both sexual

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Qigong which is energy sex and sexual meditation has something in common in ordinary sex most people don’t have their mind go inside their partner they cannot feel with their partner is feeling they cannot feel what’s happening inside their internal organs inside the deeper recesses of their mind for sure they get a lot of emotion and feelings but when you go when you start going to energy sex your mind now gets the ability to go inside somebody’s body a man inside a woman’s a woman’s inside a

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man sir and then there are ways each of you helps to open up the channels and the other if you then go to sexual meditation you go further now you could have with energetic sex just a much better time a lot more fun but there’s more than that that can happen the more than that can happen is this people have spiritual blockages any any text anything you will read about how people became enlightened they will discuss so many things they had to go through to get there well in this each of you learns how to dissolve the energetic

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blockages and the spiritual blockages in each other and this has an effect if two people are gained for it and they can do it depending upon whether you’re dealing with sexual Chieko energy sex reading with sexual meditation you can produce anywhere from more than one to as much as four times the amount of energy you could buy yourself this is a practical effect it means that we’re well you don’t have enough energy to get through a blockage that means oh it goes on for a long time and and you keep on butting

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up against the same stuff and you always stop short because you don’t have an obtuse to go through it well when you start dealing with sexual meditation you very often can and it’s considered to be for those people who can do it in all you know even even in Tantra even even the best consider to be one of the really really fast ways of waking up so some of you out there understood what he said the last part was the punchline Taoism is a way of waking up yes waking up to who and what your essence

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is in the universe if yes if you take the word double the DAO itself actually means road but it means the road the universe travels on so what are other terms that people use that at least let’s say have something in common remembered that was from China right now is that most people don’t know the word down tal they know that word because they’ve seen it but if you want easily where god source enlightenment awakening then all of these words at the end of the day if you reach the end of any

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spiritual path that’s where you end up people can believe in Jesus but until they actually arrive where Jesus arrived then they haven’t they haven’t thing they’re not white if that can happen in Christianity and that was in Missouri a road that you’ve been practicing to allow you to do just that and to help yes your students do that yeah as a matter of regular regularity it’s predictable well in this one sense if he talked about the spiritual journey nothing is predictable as to when it

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will happen what you can say is a lot of the really major milestones that occur along the way they’re predictable they’re going to happen sooner or later not predictable how they’re gonna happen how long it’s gonna take them out so if you were a Christian and you were out there looking you’d say Taoism and Christianity aren’t in fact in conflict or they know not particularly my own I come from a family and it’s got like a major Christian background and the fact of the matter is they’re not see when

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you get to the point in all religions you have exoteric and esoteric or you have the stuff that’s obvious the organization the religion and you have what a spiritual stuff is at the spiritual at the spiritual level you don’t get much conflict between of the world’s religions where you get the conflicts our organization leaders because it’s tribalism and you know they have profit motives they have status motives they have belief motives they believe something and I get very fixated

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but when you actually start getting down to the real inner spiritual things you don’t have much I’ll give you an example people in the West mostly know Christianity okay so let’s just go back to the Catholic Chur and they’re the old ones but they don’t realize there was also Eastern Orthodoxy which at the time the Roman Empire split was as big or bigger than Catholicism and was going until you know we’re still going to today now in there they have for example one place in Greece called Mount Athos

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where it’s only monasteries and it’s like you know that was the spiritual center their main thing is not about believing something it’s about finding as a living vibrant personal experience not that you believe this some sort of light not that you believe God is light about is this or got it but actually finding out what the metaphors are pointing toward so it’s not about the words it’s about the reality of with what created words to begin with and finding a personal experience yes it’s

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all about personal sexual meditation sexual chicken is all about personal experience Qigong again some of them though you have a student Kurt Kurt miyajima the Maui Kurt was on my show in nineteen you guys may not remember let’s look at the opening 1994 and he was a student to view as that yeah that’s when I first wish you met you well we have a studio that my students are kind of having it all together and rotating around the teachers and it’s here in Piatt and it’s located around the corner football

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there’s a whole series of kind of you know storefronts and why not the record right down the volcano you know there they got one there lots of people got it so right on the main drag coming down the mouth right across the parking lot from mono foods yes is the next building and that’s where your yes we are tech what’s behind the refrigerator maui movement arts you can find out when their classes are what they’re doing if I’m personally teaching a class or not you go to you go to my

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main website energy arts calm energy arts doc okay you know just fine I’ll tell you what there is to be known about it good good good can they find about your book on energy art star country great you know I had only a little time and when I refused the table of contents and started in the forward I wish to say get through the book but I came to discover very soon in but this has practice this is you know you don’t try to race through a book a book like this instead of like a fine wine you don’t want to

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race through it and say yes I read it you want to practice it so this is a great thing so this could be a tool could be not only a good tool for people to get closer to myself included to meditation and finding the essence of my true self and a personal experience but also people that have already established partners could go through this and practice with their partner yes yeah or those of you that may not have a partner is yet that’s not another option and your morality choices your that’s

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another good question you studied this morality in different parts of the world and sexuality in different parts of the world and religion all different do you find that when you were in as a student and through the years that there’s a big difference culturally about sex I mean do you well if we’re gonna take yet these a couple of different angles you’re talking about generally and then you’re gonna say wolf it’s just is it generally different in different parts of the Far East there’s a different valleys and

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parts of the first year can be quite it can be quite different I mean in America especially it’s useful to remember that America is extremely puritanical so it tends to alternate between insane repression and extreme hedonism where in Asia they don’t necessarily consider hedonism to be a problem they can said only if it’s public but if it’s relatively private that could kill us okay now if you go past that in Taoism that goes further than that as if you talked about being inside Taoism as

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opposed to people just go to temples and stick some incense but the people actually do it you practice it they are probably the most sexually open group in the world’s history that is still currently doing something after a few thousand years so for example what is what are first of all if you take the whole sexual range you should be celebrated you should be a priest and a Taoist have the whole thing about if you want to be a priest at that suit your nature then you should do it be a celibate no problem people go in case

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4050 years and if you have that kind of thing they can deal with celibacy then you start going okay let’s go here should you be monogamous well in terms of the five elements if you’re if you’re primarily what element monogamy probably really so choose five elements by the way five elements go along with Taoism that the five elements yes well but you but you have the five elements also in all of Indian culture also Buddhist church the five elements is basically what was considered to be in the

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majority of the world in the old days the energy basis of the club so for example I remember studying as a related doctor puncture you would get it in acupuncture you would get it now same thing I think same thing same thing so a person might want to be monogamous because that suits the element that is done on them okay so you go a little bit further down the line then you have people who for example are would our excuse me our water and earth elements frankly speaking they in their life they could

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sleep with a thousand people and not be bothered in the least they’d be fine with it is a matter of fact it would be unnatural for them to eat a celibate or to be monogamous so case you have that range now you have a different thing in Taoism which is what really kind of breaks the mold in this sense in the West what we usually have people think of it they always think in terms of oh you know the term now is polyamory but it’s always really what they’re discussing is polygyny the guy can have

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all the girls he wants but the woman has to be faithful well the fact that the men and in Tibet you had certain places because of economics we have polyandry where the woman would marry several people because frankly speaking oh the men didn’t have enough Familia to have a wife okay so that’s what happened but in Taoism they didn’t mind they were fine with women or men having partners in or outside marriage but in this what this book is explaining is that one of the things they did which is something is

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not done in the West is that after they had any sexual encounter be it with a person they’re living with or be with someone a Menton and I’m with him for an hour never see him again they dissolved they release all the energy besides between them they release all the karma between them Wow it’s clean so that then everything is new now in terms of people who are you know boyfriends girlfriends husbands wives whatever that’s rather important because without being able to do that you have the issue sooner or

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later it’s going to get really boring all the stuff that builds up between you this and that that’s what the resentments kind of this comes that comes you get rid of at least you have a much better chance and then if you’re talking about if you want to sleep with a lot of people which was easier 20 years ago today after all these STDs and like that what your medical issues that can be dealt with that to be able to release the energy that’s coming from a person so you don’t carry it with the Elevens

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two things first of all you don’t carry it with it’s gonna mess you up second of all you don’t carry into the next person you sleep with mm-hmm and they do this not just in terms of sex but you know do it with someone who’s really giving you big troubles at the office you bring them home you know so this energetic sharing the sex is one of a number of ways yet people can share energetically in Daoism every energy practice every meditation practice done fuckboys period it is done standing

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standing still moving sitting lying down or in interaction including we’re talking with my sexist own to them sex is only in interaction that’s all this so they don’t have this whole that the dollars for example don’t have the sacred sex thing they don’t have gods and goddesses they actually consider that stuff fairly childish so there’s that was my one other question cuz the word Tantra stroll around like you say well really a lot you know what Tantra is let me hear you the word Tantra means

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continuum it being something that continues okay the continuing music continuing spirituality can lead you to that which only continues which is another way of describing it down but what you get is this most of what is running around his Tantra is collections of sexual techniques or it’s somewhere between one nary sex is sexual she don’t its have sex in that more fun with it or else it’s using all sorts of sexual things as a form of psychological therapy from people of all sorts of

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sexual issues trauma rape abuse etc ex and all these things they have that in Taoism but that’s something focus the main focus is getting someone to wake up so I did Tantra in India I did both Hindu I did I didn’t touch her rather rather extensively and having been through that most of what you see in the West is not to my experience at least what a lot of what was going on in India because there wasn’t just you know yeah I put this in the book is real simple if you just need permission and

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have sex I don’t know finding the magazine you don’t need to you don’t need to make a whole big spiritual story about why it’s fine to have sex but if you’re gonna have sex and you want to have it start going into your spiritual adepts you just have to have a pragmatic way of doing or you don’t get there so it doesn’t matter how much inspiration that is about it if you actually want to have the inspiration become real and supposed to become this marvelous idea floating around in your

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head then you have to have some way of doing what I found was that the Taoist thing was very pragmatic very clear I mean I was 11 years learning this stuff it’s not it’s not so simple it’s not so difficult that’s someone living with freiza having Taoism everything is easy when you can hard when you can’t I mean easy for who hard for you hard at what point in time easy at what point in time those are impossible see a book the the table of contents is very full and really so when I looked at I thought

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this is really good and someone might use it as a reference manual but it what did you tell me thousands of hours of meditation no no I said thousands of hours into writing the book the lot of what’s in here is never been written oh but like I don’t have doing the practices so I’ve got way more than thousands of hours no not you I mean she’s gonna picked up the book oh then they’re gonna say okay this is otherwise they want to take it and say oh yeah I read that one if what you are

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like I’m on what you’re saying that you could use this for thousands of hours let’s say in the sexual movie for learning and growing and glowing to the partner and yeah energetically growing and learning how did you set up this book because I think that’s a really important thing we need senator you set it up the at first it talks about Taoism oh why since you’re saying okay well the book more or less has these sections in it I mean II way okay the first one is that what you

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know what is Dow ISM and then what is it and what is the context of it you know that includes things like morality I mean most people think of Mariah always go sex excuse me Riley’s everything I mean do you steal the ill idea cheeky murder I mean all those are moral issues but it gives the context of what Taoism is because the next three chapters unless you kind of get a little bit weird owl ISM is coming from then it’s a problem this is a little bit different in one thing most of books on now is

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them are not written by practitioners they’re in what people translated things or they’re kind of on the surface I’ve done this my whole life so there’s that then the next section is ordinary sexed so it’s ordinary sex which means if you have a body you have a mind you can do it and this gives a lot of perspectives that are out there as well as practical things you can do I bring up a lot of the ancient Chinese text you know do this do that you know me right you know if you want to men you want to

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be of course men want to be able to go longer but there’s also a lot of things that women need to know about I made a real attempt in this book to make this as relevant to women as I could of course it’s a little bit limited that being a man but I can’t feel what happens inside a woman’s body and I also had all the Taoist priests as you told me a lot of stuff when I was going through that and I’ve known a few women in my day that’s a good way of putting it okay so the next section is sexual

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she go there you start talking about you’re gonna have sex and why do you want a sexual shield what do you do for how do you know how do you do and it starts showing beginning things people can do and explain and it also in the middle eyes thing and bridge practice well if you want to actually do the stuff what sort of cheekbone things what’s at least some of the cheekbone things you need to do if you want to be able to do in sexual meditation because every single energetic tech mean that is done

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in Tai Chi is than in Chico who’s done a Taoist yoga that all that stuff and an energetic global is done during sex let me just quickly give us a quick definition of a Qigong for those that don’t okay it’s composed of two words the first word is Chi which has to at a simple translation it means breath but what it really means the energy that breath could be the door into so it’s the same word as prana it’s a saying you know some people could say at a certain level chi can be psychic energy but the

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energy of convey energy and everything is composed of energy okay and so Chi dome is the science of that and goal means effectively to practice like a worker is a cool Marie which means a person that does work okay so Qigong is she practices practice yeah and so sexual cheat yoga see else is how you do Chico when you’re having sex okay so I’m just taking our audience with us sure and then the next more evolved section which is the I guess you says I’m a romantic sexual meditation which

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is now building on what you just said so what does that have third sex so what you have with sexual meditation is we start with people have spiritual blockages you take the more easy stuff right so people still a spiritual I have I have emotional and mental traumas okay so that’s a nice one or I’m traumatized for x y&z degrees so they’re practicing how do you resolve those not by doing a thorough research by inside yourself the Chinese history we said very often with the way Emperor’s and everything

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were there you could not say what was going on outside you your heavies off your shoulders you had to resolve myself inside yourself forth you’d live with it for your entire life but then you go to the next thing okay the things you want to get rid of I mean nobody wants to be angry all the time they’re gonna hate themselves all the time but everybody also time but then you start going a little bit further but what about the things I want to bring out any happiness joy compassion open as well what’s

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stopping me those are stopping that doesn’t then you go and usually the starts at the physical you know body emotion mental level then it goes into the psychic world and then it goes in the world of karma and those are things which if you haven’t really got the first four down people talk about the psychic world people talk about a karma and they talk about essence but that’s about as far as it ever goes is talk but these practices actually step-by-step teach you how to go through it and you found sex to be a

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really good way I mean obviously there are lots of ways but I say it can enable you to move four times as fast as you can’t just say that’s and I’m sitting I mean for example once in India back in the 74 to 73 I mean I spent 10 if not sitting in a cave I was doing I was doing solo tantric practices okay another time once upon a time I sat for a week I sat in a roomful and I sat there for a week so I done sitting so I have a pretty good idea of how much energy gets generated by doing that kind of stuff

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the only thing about a to get the sexual meditations first you have to learn meditation you have to know how to release your own blockages then you go to the next step and that’s what sexual meditation does about how do you go inside someone’s body really stairs and then you go to the third step you released they release yours you really stairs and then something starts happening that either one if you can pull off on your own and this is this is kind of and way in which it progresses if

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nothing else you know you get a lot of problems with life life has a lot of grief in it sex is actually one of the nice ones it’s one of the ones that compensates for something and the more if nothing else these type of practices make people immensely sensitive and it may enables them to start experiencing realms of their being that normally there’s no access maybe they’re worth there’s no access you have no practical way of getting there so this book was not primarily a book about explanations

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it was primarily a book to be for access and I’m not even so sure that the primary purpose of this book is for now it’s not for 20 or 30 years from now because at some time and I’ve written this in the book the AIDS thing is going to be over and some time they’re gonna come up with a cure for all that so my head is that back in the 60s through time I’m a 60s kid in the seventies thinks I’m the sexual revolution was starting and people will go through all sorts of things to work out the sex

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thing and they were starting to and then it got to a point beside the fact that everybody could go sleep with each other well what about all this emotionally stuff it brings up and then the AIDS thing came and everything just got slammed shut I see the Daoist for 3,000 years from that point word got shut down they started looking at what what about the emotion the mental the psyche the karmic the essence implications of sex which is something that West has never gone into and so where I think this book

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is as much for future generation is for this one is it at some point that issue is going to get resolved now most people today can avail anything right now so it’s only now it’s now all Catholics would now be ABC the thing is that life goes on as long as the human race is gonna go on and these issues are gonna come back and a lot a lot of the issues that come up with sexuality have within Taoism as it goes further they have ways to directly transit a person okay you gonna die they believe in reincarnation

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okay they don’t talk about it in the beginning but later on they do you’re gonna die okay what are you going to take forward and sex is used as one of the methods to be able to do that so you don’t start all over or take you know which was afraid maybe you made one step forward in his life you may take three steps backward on the next round so and this is now a very you know very Asian the whole idea of reincarnation but for those people who can understand what that is and many can this is a Taoist

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perspective in their open about their open about sex even Buddhists who have stuff in hindus they’re not particularly open any view about hindu touch right not really not to sexual stuff nothing like done another way Buddhists are you kidding us there that’s their most heavily guarded secrets that’s very very hard to get in that for the same exact reasons that was thought because they don’t want people getting in over their heads and basically crazy but the Taoist are very very system act that wasn’t was

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none and has been in Western you know writers that they would call the mystic scientist of ancient China the regular and the mystic they just they’re very much about okay they have a sign to the kind of mind that if something can be done there’s a how it gets that and you know it’s not just why you should hear the excitement of it’s actually good women if he thinks is cool well how can you actually make it happen as opposed to think it’s a really great idea for it to happen but in my madness mmm is there

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a difference between dollars and in China and Japan it’s not that much dollars in the Japan but I mean for example the Japanese have the word they have the ideas but they don’t have that much practicing Taoism in Japan I mean you know some people say well you do Tai Chi which is it that was start BC that’s kind of like public outreach in one sense based on Taoist principles does Taoist things but here I used this example I’ve used it many times in my life back back in the 1980s and

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seventies most of the Christian art that was sold ranked the pictures the statues it was made by Muslim made by Muslims in your nation you know Malaysia so the fact of the matter is that you could do you could make crosses doesn’t mean you’re a Christian matter of fact I’m frankly speaking you could be from Mars and just kind of come learn the relevant craft technology mm-hmm so good Tai Chi is but that’s probably the thing for which Taoism is most known but that’s not the religion

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of Taoism that’s my should say that’s not the spiritual practice of the hell the spiritual practice of Taoism is is there is a branch where there is spiritual Tai Chi but that’s like you know one tenth of one hundred one percent of all the Tai Chi that’s out there most people the public don’t have access how did you get into this originally I mean years ago Oh what drew you to that direction well I guess we’re back now in 1968-69 okay on 67 I went to Japan to go to colleges

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they were going to college in the States because I was big into martial arts and shiatsu and healing in Zen I’ve been sitting in since I was 14 so back in 63 years old mm-hm and I want to go so I went my first year on there and you know two teams the karate team actually competed the other might just practice with that year they were the old Japan University champions so I did that Marshall I think I mean really heavy I mean I’d like eight black belts before I was 18 I mean I was like you know that’s what like did

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like I’m not gonna be stories okay then there was somebody waiting back in New York and he told me and I went to Taiwan and he told me about this guy who was you know like what unbelievable and I studied with him okay so on there and we’re doing stuff and I’m standing this like real dive of a hotel really thin walls and you know wasn’t a GI men have much money so is like ass that’s what I got afford you I was lucky I can actually get that I wanted to begin with you know save my

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pennies all year long as the phrase goes but then and I was with a girl and let’s just say we vibrated the hotel a bit and when think one of his students work there and so one day through a translator oh you like sex there oh really sounds like you do but but but do you have to do it because yummy and I got very upset at what not it’s in the business that there’s more to there’s more to sex than being you know it’s what a section is more than health and just being young it’s also much jiva

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well that did it and he made some overtures we just ask some questions about sexuality and about that was a but the next year when I came back I was invited to join the Taoist priesthood he had some friends and they this is like very secret secret stuff but they they became my sponsors and I got initiated into it at the age you know it’s 1929 I could remember what year it was that was about you know that was my entry into the priesthood and then then I was a seven year course of study and then

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later on us on a couple of years with someone who was like the top of the line in Beijing I see Wow so this book this is number I don’t know counting ten eleven twelve yeah a lot of books and if you look up Bruce Frantzis you see the spelling of his name fr AM T Z is Frantzis you’ll see a lot of books bug as you were choosing subjects along the way did you or do you mention sex in them no this is the first one the situation went like this in 1989 it just started becoming very obvious I was

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entering one of these window where I could be dead in a couple years didn’t know I didn’t have no idea where is gonna come from but that’s how it seemed to me so I felt that at least from him all the time I spent in China was 11 years I should like you know leave something that gives all you should write a book you know I don’t think he liked writing never did I’m not a little rowdy I mean some people like it I was like please read no problem writing I know but what happened was

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that okay I had some students and they really were an ascetic I’ll tell you what I’ll dictate you type on the computer and so they did that and that went on for a couple of years and then finally at the end like you know I kind of just buckle down and got I’ve got a computer of course I got a laptop and I work on it for 11 days 10 12 hours a day anything and of course I did something of holding blows up which almost got me off its but anyways got back on a horse again and I finished I finished that

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book and at the time I did that book I got 10 ispm numbers that’s what she gives a Library of Congress you get a book yeah and I basically just been working my way through because I saw that if I was gonna try and communicate this stuff with Taoism since I’m a single source I’m actually somebody really one in really did it I wasn’t getting it from somebody said somebody said somebody said and having a Western perspective I can more or less translated and not not translate like little Chen they were like what is this

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thing actually talking about and I started writing so I never exactly know what book I’m gonna write next or if I’m gonna write a book next but if commonly at two or three boys for example this one in my in my first two books on Taoist meditation here just are two chapters that some of that stuff’s in this book sometimes stuff’s in a sexual meditation book but I’m going through that and that’s kind of almost done but then oh other cheekbone things had to get done different fraud things came up

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that I thought were really need at the moment and then somewhere after my kids grew up or you know something I decide okay well I’m really I can see they’re gonna they’re gonna be out of high school when you know X number of years and so I said they’re probably gonna go for that finally I got down over for two years it was non-stop full war learning on tonight so it’s it’s been germinating for twenty years I said some of the stuff that’s in there was done you know well you put it all together I mean I

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tell you like I said I started in and just didn’t have enough time what I say Larry King gets the Cliff Notes version of families guys I really was as I was reading I was really was like I wanted to read it slowly and really get every word because it was very comfortable reading and very inviting and an easy style for me to understand that now I came upon a practice so this is the kind of thing I they well I can read forward but you know I should probably find a study partner that would probably make

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these well I was Richard I would say if you wanna do a sexual cheat or sexual meditation it probably helps that study where it would help asses yeah I think rubber dolls really don’t cover right right right so that’s to me that’s a very exciting read thing as I’m reading it I’m realizing more a is about sex you know I don’t have any moral restrictions or feel restrictive and I thought you know this would really be a wonderful thing I I guess why I think I’ve talked about

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Christians starting with them because what puritanical attitude and such isn’t the only Christian but this really you make it comfortable and much more matter-of-fact that available what what you have one of the major words and Taoism that defines it like Louisville does Christianity or you could even say in Judy retribution an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth that’s the Old Testament it’s wonderful little god that guy was but the fact of the matter is that one of the things in that was and of course

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love is the same thing this to this is three love or compassion balanced in minute rawness being natural they just look at sex as a natural activity and like any natural activity some people like it more some people like it less some people like it this way but they don’t see it as a special thing they just see it as one of the natural wonders of the world which is interesting I mean what if there was gonna be a section of this booklet as you’re sharing with an audience you’d like to make sure that they as they go

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through they don’t miss that there’s probably full you know but like I I can say this right no you can’t that’s like saying like if you have five kids which of your kids would you want to you know it’s helped people you know sometimes when I’m sitting with someone they say you know I want to make sure that I tell them that this is real let me look so okay this is what I would say if they wanted to know something about that was yeah then I would say just about that wasn’t per se

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then you read the first section of the book that’s it now if you’re looking at that you think that you might want to do things like chi gong you might want to sexually she gone or sexual meditation I say read the thing on the bridge bridge practices because that at least give you an idea of some type of things you need to do okay because that’s what you’re if you if if you’re actually gonna do something if you’re gonna write a book one thing you know say you know you have

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to learn alphabet and you have to learn basic grammar because without that the book is never going to fly okay I would say that if a person wants to go beyond ordinary says because it says this fi stuff with ordinary sex I don’t know how men don’t exactly as much how women can get awful more about blah blah blah and all that kind of stuff you know right the way you know a lot of things that are very valuable in that sense but if you want to get it in if you want to get an energetic sense

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whatever tradition cuz then I’m not gonna say that wasn’t the only one it’s the most open but I wouldn’t say it’s they’re the only people Godin I mean that is a fairly natural activity then I would say okay then you read a section on energy sex now if you want to know about the meditation and to most people the idea of sex in meditation or to boys just what we really don’t go together then you’re in a chapter 16 17 and 18 if you want to get what the real the real

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point is in how you become enlightened which means that as they saying it more they say Ludi knows everything simultaneous it’s going on all times all places and all dimensions then you’re in the chapter 18 so it really depends what you’re interested in the the the more stuff that’s really specifically geared toward the meditative process the meditation process the awakening process that stuff is in 16 17 18 and I’m sure that when reading through it’s gonna stimulate people to see what other books

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you’ve written because some of those books go more into different areas that you’ve now put into here yes yeah well yes first of all I’ve got this is the fourth of the meditation series the first three dimension series was to get people ready for this book in a sense of that and it where this one takes that a little bit for this youthful context of it then I have several books on cheek own medical Qigong ordinary chico about general energetic development which is which those books have been very favorably

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it’s it’s caused a lot it’s closed lunch I’ve brought a lot of information for the West you know that after I did it became a moment not before then I have a few books on internal martial arts one of them is been called by some people a Bible of internal martial arts martial arts may or may not be your thing but if you understand the idea of cheating with all that can mean it’s another way of looking at it and these you know meditation she going martial arts these these are the three big subjects I’ve

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not yet written anything specifically on the Chinese energetic body work healing techniques which is I was a cheat on a doctor in China so I did turned down some patients so I’m in know quite a bit about them but you know getting a book written I’m not gonna say on the greatest writer in the world but I’m extremely clear about what I’m writing about and somehow I make sure at the end the editors make something that is you know very nice to read which by myself I don’t how far I get with it but I know

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exactly when it’s in there and gets you right I know it actually says we’d supposed to say it isn’t deluded it is watered down so my thing is clarity as opposed to what I would call a literary genius you know ironically I think that the only fear of really honest thing that could be said about it but you know those of my other books and most people have found I try to make them so that they can be understandable as well specifically the thing the talent I have of the people they say that can make incredibly

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complex subjects as simple as they can be made mm-hmm there’s a limit to how simple you can make some things that are very complex but I do it about as well as anybody in any field as I said I might well I am I find them speaking to you you’re very clear and very directed NOAA station you cut through my mother used to say well actually my apartment well accordin said you’re a lot like God you don’t beat around the bush you burn the bush well yeah whatever I don’t know if I’ll

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go for God but anyway no I mean my nature is that way many people describe me as cut to the chase yeah I just like to go to what it is because my being a lineage holder in Taoism which is which is the best of my knowledge I’m the only Western one that’s ever been in Taoism you know is to try and do what it can to transmit it to the next generation I’m trying to cross the east-west bridge trying to bring this stuff and you know to the Western world and as far as I’m concerned to beat around the bush to

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make it very pleasant just to make it very nice yeah you get you get you get you for sure people love me more but 90% of what you’re saying it wouldn’t have to mark right because it’s very very easy to talk to people just go oh they love it but then you know afterwards what’s there not much so the Taoist and I think that’s more about my role in the time of the place of it mm-hmm yeah because that was traditionally it’s even very hard to get them to talk about what they do they can you know they’re not

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that they’re not trying to be public but I think that the condition of West is and I think that becoming public it requires you get that straight through and to try and get it out there because look a lot of people can recognize the world is not in the best shape and it’s clearly not going in the ideal of all directions and it’s not due to a lack of people with intelligence we got more we know what to do with its to do with people whose heart in this minds experience they’re just not together

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all separate all over the place so I mean my thing is just you know tell it like it is that’s enough you find out what happened I’m sitting on the same bench with you that’s how I like being I want you guys to take a look at this I am looking forward to reading it and enjoying the practices I think that we should be getting together after I have a little more experience I know that I’ve had a couple of people who wanted to already you know I’m ready to ask questions and I think we should start

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enjoying this book should say that the majority sure people should enjoy the book a lot out of it it’s a lead-in to the other to the other process but I mean I spend the bulk of my time and have for the past 25 years teaching Tai Chi and Qigong and some healing work and only about 10 or 15 years ago I started teaching meditation because now ism has this opinion and I actually agree with it that you know a lot of times you want to aim really high huh now if you’re doing things in the external world you can leverage things

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to go from here to there very fast you can leverage money you can leverage talent but when it comes to you’re in a world you can’t and you actually have to go to each place you have to go to or you don’t go past that and and the example I use is that there’s a very famous phrase that do with the Buddha because he’s a well-known public figure and you know just what’s the ten thousand lives of the Buddha it wasn’t the 15 lines to enlightenment it wasn’t you know the New Age thing of

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oh yes you know five seminars in blob you get inspired you will arrive okay fair enough I mean you know money seminars all over the place how many people do you know it’s got fifty billion bucks and many but in terms of your internal world he said you can’t leverage anything only thing you can do is get close to things that no it is and hope you get what you can buy us Moses and then through a lot of hard work with a classic phrase which is used in Taoism and a variant of it in Buddhism Chinese

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church regime onions Agassi it means that you the teacher takes you into the gate what’s the Buddhist one the Buddha shows you the path you have good Java Satan practice over that’s a nut sack and uh based on a four to one ratio leverage leverage what do you saying that sexual meditation four times as much energy created yeah that’s a reason that everyone use you no matter I was gonna say ch4 people of all ages what were names should the Dallas to talk about very few people start before

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puberty oh I’m glad to know that so basically whether you’re fifty sixty seventy eighty twenty yeah what my first teacher who wasn’t it was a person introduced many people that need that was Free State he was going out of hot and heavy was eighty ok all you out there we’re gonna get people off the benches it was good how I really enjoy sitting and talking to you whether we’re sitting in front of the camera or not I very much appreciate you and I’m very glad to have had the opportunity to sit

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with you and share with this audience and may all of you share about Taoist sexual meditation by Bruce Frantzis there you go you can always find on energy arts talk or obviously as an Amazon whoever else the books thank you very very much for joining me thank you guys for joining us see ya Aloha you