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Summary & Transcript
Key Insights and Highlights
- Teran J Young Foundation is a privately funded nonprofit focused on restorative approaches for at-risk youth ages 12-17.
- The foundation operates a short-term teen shelter in Wailuku, Maui, providing safe refuge, basic care, mediation, and connections to resources.
- The shelter aims for a revolving-door model with ~13 beds and stays averaging around 30 days or less.
- Staff, called Kī (guardians), are trained in trauma-informed care, restorative practices, and nonviolent communication.
- The foundation promotes restorative justice, which emphasizes healing and repair over punishment, and is working to integrate these practices into local courts and schools.
- Maui’s lack of foster homes and affordable housing presents ongoing challenges impacting youth placement and stability.
- The foundation is committed to community collaboration, cultural sensitivity, and advocacy to improve youth services and foster care systems.
- Crisis support numbers (988, 911) and community resources like Hawaii Cares are essential complements to the shelter’s services.
- The foundation offers mediation training and seeks to increase community awareness and engagement.
Summary Table: Teran J Young Foundation Teen Shelter Overview
| Aspect | Details |
|---|---|
| Location | Wailuku, Maui (near post office) |
| Target Age | 12-17 years old |
| Capacity | 13 beds |
| Length of Stay | Typically ≤ 30 days (short-term) |
| Entry Criteria | Basic self-care ability, no active danger to self/others |
| Services Provided | Safe shelter, food, clothing, mediation, referrals |
| Staff Title | Kī (Guardians) |
| Staff Training | Trauma-informed care, nonviolent communication, restorative practices |
| Program Goals | Safety, reunification with family, stable long-term placement |
| Founding Supporters | Sara James, Genesis Young |
| Funding | Privately funded nonprofit |
| Website | tanjy.org |
| Contact Email | info@tanjy.org |
| Phone | (808) 866-8333 |
Definitions and Concepts
| Term | Definition |
|---|---|
| Restorative Justice | A justice approach focused on repairing harm through dialogue, healing, and community involvement rather than punishment. |
| Trauma-Informed Care | A framework recognizing and responding to the impact of trauma on individuals, emphasizing safety and empowerment. |
| Nonviolent Communication | A communication method developed by Marshall Rosenberg that promotes empathy, peaceful conflict resolution, and understanding. |
| Kī | Hawaiian term meaning “guardian” or “caretaker,” used as staff title at the shelter. |
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
- Q: Who can access the teen shelter?
A: Youth aged 12-17 who need temporary refuge and meet basic self-care and safety criteria. - Q: Does the shelter provide counseling?
A: The shelter itself provides basic care and mediation; counseling is provided through partnerships and external resources. - Q: How long can youth stay at the shelter?
A: Length of stay varies from a few hours to about 30 days, depending on individual needs. - Q: What if there’s an immediate youth crisis?
A: Call 988 for urgent mental health support or 911 for emergencies. - Q: How can the community get involved?
A: Through mediation training, volunteering, referrals, and supporting foster care initiatives.
This summary provides a comprehensive, detailed, and accurate portrayal of the Teran J Young Foundation’s work as described by David Litman on the Neutral Zone Maui show, emphasizing their restorative and trauma-informed approach to youth care in Maui’s community.
Full transcript, timestamped
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[Music] Aloha and welcome to the neutral zone Maui neutral zone.com I’m your host Jason Schwartz you can find all our shows at Maui neutral zone.com but you can find us obviously at KAKU 88.5 FM the voice of Maui and on akaku Maui Community television media channel 55 you can also find us at akaku dorg under Maui neutral zone you can find us you can put our name in neutrals in YouTube Welcome to our show um we are doing it in Zoom again today because my guest is uh busy and couldn’t make the
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scheduled date at 11: there in the studio so we’re recording it we’re going to run it in a different week my guest today is David Litman who is the director of the Teran J Young foundation and I don’t want to steal his Thunder he’ll be with us in just a second I’ll let him introduce what he’s doing and uh tell you more about it alohan welcome back here we are at the neutral zone Our Guest has arrived David Litman the director of the Teran J young Foundation I don’t want to steal his
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Thunder I’m gonna let you know what he does and I think we’re going to discover immediately why this is an important part of our community and why I’m doing it in zoom in a time where we could have been in the studio he’s busy handling things like right now huh David isn’t that right yeah we have urgent youth things popping up unfortunately yeah it’s a very it could be a reactive environment sometimes unfortunately so Teran J young Foundation means to me that you’re G to be doing all kinds of
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things but your your part is um please please let our audience know who are we what do we do got multiple right Teran James Jen Foundation it’s a a nonprofit that is an operating Foundation uh funded primarily by Sara James and the wife of jesis young who’s our executive director so we’re a privately funded nonprofit with many different programs uh we do programs in schools trying to create what we call restorative schools where the focus is on Less on punishment more on social and emotional skills and
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learning and healthy conflict resolution let me let me let me just for a second yeah when you’re speaking it like our audience knows you said things in a hurry that you went by there I did you’re right yes yes you know slow down different pieces give them a bit of taste you’re the director of the tan James Young Foundation is yours like a division of it or you call yourself well I’m the director of programs and training for the foundation and then there’s an executive director
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Genesis young and so um but I was primarily hired to oversee one of the programs although I’m kind of involved in all of them I was hired to open up our teen shelter uh which is a short-term shelter for teen 12 to 17 who have a need for Sanctuary for whatever reason um and then uh but took us four years to get that thing built I got hired they thought they’d be open in six months and you know we bought a building had to renovate it and with all the Perman construction and everything else
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took four years things took a long time to actualize exactly so now so you’re let me see if I get it in a nutshell I’m purposely slowing it down because I I can I’m going these days I app being a director of an organization ESP is a youth Bridge back into programs to support them because they’ve had some kind of conflict right is that what’s up yeah it could be for a few different reasons you that youth might come here I mean it some of them are here because they’re in the guardianship of child
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welfare services they’ve been taken from the homes and they’re trying to figure out long-term placement for the Youth know where to put them short term while they figure that out but we also have uh families that just come to us and you know we have a grandmother raising kids and they’s they’re teenagers and they’re out of control they need a break and they need help and so we know they can send them to us for to get some space and then we can try to help coordinate resources and programs and services for
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them um you sort of like the peanut butter to take all the different pieces and make them all seem smooth huh you have get in there and find out what’s not working and make it better yeah it could be different Case by case so you know but for whatever reason if a youth needs them so where is your where is your place now I know but I’m yeah yeah we’re we’re in Wu um we’re right downtown Wu right near the post office so you wouldn’t know it if someone was coming to the area they wouldn’t know that you
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house these situations then do you have um counseling from there there’s a sign out front technically we’re just a child care institution right we’re not that’s all we’re licensed to be is to take care of kids keep them safe keep them fed clothed uh that’s our primary function uh that being said you know we do have space on the in our building to say bring in counselors or do other programs you know in our building after school programs dropin programs Outreach programs uh and then we can bring in
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resources for the Youth you know we do sort of try to coordinate uh for the Youth and their families technically we don’t provide that many services other other than we do have our mediation services where anybody in Conflict can come and get support and resolving conflict and we’ll use our mediation skills with the families right so we that on are do you work in a BRI so you’re like I’m just talking out loud yeah yeah yeah you’re like a bridge like uh kids’s been in trouble and now he’s
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in school and they’re finding a way to deal with this situation now you have a child there with you and that child uh might have been heading to ay jail Direction maybe and you give them some space and you sort of give counseling and that you’re showing like you say you’re showing them a different way of interacting with people which is what you were talking about right right right we try to be an environment that can be a model for them to see you know what what healthy living can look like in the
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sense of people resolving conflicts in healthy ways and are functional and communicating and um try to create create that safe space for them and give them a refuge as well as a model for some healthy behavior and then we try to help the families in get the resources they need as well our our main goal with a youth would be to reunite them with family right to get them back with their families um or you know find the long-term placement form maybe with another family member or even you know hanai family but um and then if that
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doesn’t work then of course you know then you looking get foster care the Foster system trying to get into foster homes or treatment programs or other types of programs and things that might be servicing even better um so you know we’re just yeah we’re kind of a facilitator for that and a short-term holding space as well as trying to you know add in our own educational pieces though right and programs for the Youth and the families to help just in general well you know it’s interesting
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when someone’s in that position as a as a youth or even as a big youth but um the the environment and the counseling and the like I say a different patterned environment than their home and you counseling the the home environment to understand also a different kind of communication style so that’s really important thing in what you’re doing um I don’t imagine you’re long into existence yet and where I’d say okay I bet your limitation is now go find foster care places you talk about
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finding uh solutions to these things and you know it’s like ah well remember that thing about little boy Corner that sat in the corner with his finger in the Dyke or am I missing a couple of Nur together the TCH boy finger in the D keeping it together yeah coping it keeping it all together it’s almost like you’re holding back a wall you’re trying you’re trying to take care of an incredibly important thing in in some one’s life in a system that has been showing in general that it’s inadequate
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so you’re helping model future young men and women yeah right yeah because they’re only with us potentially a short period of time our our goal is sort of a 30-day or less kind of stay because we want to free up the bed for the next youth in need right so we have 13 beds and we want to rotate you know we don’t want to necessarily just take 13 kids and have them for five years you know we want to be able to help hundreds and hundreds of kids right well I think of it like a Aloha house for the
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non-alcoholic how’s that or uh women helping women but no one’s gota hit you it’s different kind of a bridge treat system right that’s an important point to make is that you know the only qualification really for entry for a program is that they have to be between 12 and 17 they can be of any gender um and then they just have to be able to do basic self-care you know clothe themselves feed themselves you know we can’t we can’t provide that level of care and also they can’t really be an
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active danger to themselves or others so the public can find you either they can call you directly because they themselves would like to enroll someone or agencies find you that kind of a thing exactly yeah yeah and we’re trying to do promotion because we opened on September 6 and it was crickets there was no one coming I thought we had you know so we had to do more promotional work which I’ve done um and we’ve had we’ve had five youth so far we’re only again we’re only two months old we’ve
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Serv five you so far um three of whom are actually already discharged in the program so we only have two in the program at this moment right as we speak but one more might be coming in today we’re not sure you know it’s going to be a very revolving door right uh in providing service but yeah that’s basically the only criteria so they can come from a number of sources and do you keep them a minimum time in other words so that you have a chance to do your work with them or you’re sh um there’s
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an established minimum I it could just be that a family just needs 25 for hours you know just as a rest bit you know and just they just need some space and then they’re going to try to get back together on their own I mean we’re technically not officially you know involved with their situations right it’s like they can they can kind of Guardians can come and take the kids as whenever they’re ready you know it’s but we’re going to offer that we’re GNA offer that as a service we’re going to
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check in and see hey what is the issue how can we maybe maybe you need a little more space or maybe they don’t you know maybe it’s just a short-term thing and they just need a little help it’s very Case by case you know going to be very situational well I know you for a while so I would say well the reason that David Litman is in this position is because he is a great guy he’s a guy I’ve watched you not only raise your own kids and I’m sure that has had a dynamic in your
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learning but you’re a counselor you you wanted to tell us a little about you I’m sure oh yeah sure enough important I think for anyone coming to you to realize you are not just the street you come qualified I’ve really always had this feeling when I’ve known you what a terrific grounded guy when janison Solara found you in this way I thought what a great choice so help me it’s it’s an interesting job I mean ideally you’d want someone who’s run a Youth Shelter before and I never have done that but
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I’ve done a lot of other things and have a lot of analogous you know skills that I bring in right so yeah I am a licensed marriage and family therapist I helps a lot um having that skill you know and being able to do counseling even though even though the people who come in aren’t my clients I’m not directly counseling you and I still have that skill that I can bring in um but I also come from like a really diverse weird background I came out of the corporate world in my early years and did a lot of
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corporate training and organizations you know in different roles um so I feel like and honestly when they hire me even though the shelter wasn’t open all this time preparing for the shelter I’ve gotten to get to know the resources in the community and really get involved with different organizations that um you know Bridge agencies like the hope we Kaa partnership that you know brings together agencies and government agencies and nonprofits that are devoted to helping prevent child abuse and
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neglect you know they meet once a month and KU meeting that the court produces that gets again agencies together to help kids see out of the justice system and you know so I’ve got to know all the different resources of people and players which really helps when it comes to trying to figure out make referrals try to solve the problems soon well I’m looking forward to seeing you over the years but I know in this time probably these are the times when you’re training a staff and trying to bring together
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people in elements what have you found as far as uh the people that in your staff and what kind of backgrounds do they share I’m I’m letting our audience the way I am thinking letting our audience kind of really get a Feeling for you guys I know you a thing for peace and a thing here very recently but um yeah we’re we’re not so well known in the community right yeah no we got really lucky I mean I was told oh you gotta hire people that’s so hard to do now so hard to get good people I one of
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the things we decided to do is to pay a living wage to people which I think really helps uh attract good people you know which I think is living our our mission to be you know of peace and sustainability I think that’s a big part of it um but we were able to really hire some good people number of them have have experien in youth shelters which is great um and some of them don’t but you know we hire some younger people though too as well because they’re closer they people who’ve been sort of in the system
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right they came out of the system the foster care system other systems on island they grew up here so they know the youth that can connect with the youth in a really direct way um so we’ve we have we call the we call our staff I was asking one of our cultural advisers we have a Hawaiian cultural advisor as well that work works with us a number of them actually because we want to be culturally sensitive to the wether coming in and just in general you being culturally sensitive in respectful of
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diversity and and where we are here on this island uh and I asked U Kuma Luana so what do we call our staff you know because this is what they do what should we call them and I wanted to give it a Hawaiian name um with you know with permission of course but she said is I think it would be very fair to call them Ki you know because kti are Guardians and caretakers right that’s what they do so that’s what we call our staff that’s the job title as you’re a youth you know shelter kti uh we have 10 kti right now
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course we have because we have to staff 247 you know we don’t want to have ideally two people on ship 247 sometimes three depending on the how many kids and what shift it is you know so we’re trying to really cover and make sure we have that support available as you come in and so yeah they have uh they they have that diverse background but they all have the the desire at least the willingness to approach the youth with um those three components that we think are important which is trauma informed
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care recognizing that the youth are coming in traumatized and being sensitive to that and caring um this thing called nonviolent communication that could spend hours talking about but if anybody wants to Google it nonviolent communication and Marshall Rosenberg you can look that up on YouTube and there’s all kinds of great videos of Marshall talking about it he’s the gentlemen to created it but it’s basically a way of doing peaceful conflict resolution and having healthy relationships uh so we
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bring that in and um what we call restorative practices which are you know this idea of not using punishments and rewards as much as building relationship and and um paying attention to the kids needs and certainly having protective boundaries but um trying to be more collaborative in our approach working we do so you know those they’re all on board with that and we train them on that some come more with more or less of that but my job is to train them and build the culture here and really have
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that established so it really is a safe place that’s healthy for the kids and um then some of them come with different skills you know someone’s got to cook every meal so we got some people who are better than others are cooking and other people who jump in to do the cleaning and you we’re trying to it’s a very flat structure we’re not trying to have a lot of layers of management so the people that come don’t get interactive with their like you say so someone’s cooking
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meals for them rather than them sort of getting into a house or situation well it’s a home environment right so yeah so the youth are helping as well like we’re giving the youth chores you know it’s it’s a an open space layout you know so it’s there’s the bedrooms and then there’s a common space in a kitchen and so everybody’s sort of living together and we’re all trying to create a health model a healthy family environment basically like I said it’s going to be
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interesting over time to see the different dynamics that happen I’m sure you’ll next time I speak to you you’ll tell me well you know the uh justice system has a hole here and over there and yeah Services could use and mental health comp we should use yeah we already know that yeah system in particular is we’re really I think we’re going to start doing more work uh maybe helping getting involved with maybe lobbying for Change and helping support the foster care system so that it’s it’s
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both you know easier for appropriate people to become foster parents and and easier for them to maintain that and make it more appealing because we we need more foster homes on the island I mean that’s a huge piece that’s irly affects us because a lot of the youth come because and when they come in like if there’s nowhere for them to go you know so much for 30 days right we trying to we need to make sure they can have healthy places to go and having you know more and more more Foster Care Resource
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on the island is a big deal and something that our nonprofits going to get heavily involved with I think in trying to help promote and fix well that is a big Gigantor issue we know we had I don’t have to tell you but these shows go all over over the world we in Maui we love our visitors but sometimes our visitors want the spaces that we need to live here and then some of that and how it’s worked into our economy has created a situation where we don’t have enough local housing and the PE the new things
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get bought by people a lot that don’t live here that rented back to people here that can’t afford to live in these things and so it’s a massive you know we’re we’re on radio and TV we can’t use some of those words especially when teaching but this thing is a major problem so what you’re doing is an incredibly important thing because people that are in those development years are having the same kind of housing issues and challenges and I’d say people of all ages are having
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housing challenges so the foster care system and the whole thing it creates it’s going to be interesting to see you know I can see that Solara and Genesis and because they have resources can expand in different ways you you probably know about many people know about HAL Maha Olu which is a housing thing that works with HUD and provides housing for people kids with families and stuff they also have a thing for seniors and uh helps off with rent so all this is going to be coming out so your voice and your experience with the
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youth in this area will play a an even louder and more significant voice over time and you have such a beautiful and easy demeanor about things that you know I can I sound like I’m I’m rough but you’ve developed that nonviolent communication style I tried yeah it’s kind of like a duck it’s like a duck right looks all calm in the surface and Bellow the water your yeah if you look under the water this guy is pedaling I know I know well it’s hard you because we are only two months old right so it’s
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it’s like we’re T and yet we’re growing fast so we’re not an infant we’re a toddler at this point but still stumbling and falling down you know well I think that’s why I wanted you on to let the public hear about you you know because you know I I have the Good Fortune of like you having been introduced to a thing called Manon project and little that I know this guy David Litman around I knew his wife Christina and and her mom and you know the but then when I got close and said
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this guy thought man this guy is talented yeah we’re gonna direct him into something Genesis he bought we just did a mankind weekend this time you know about it uh you know a new Warrior training adventure and I’ve had people come to me that have gone through it and said you know that guy Genesis he really helped me on the in this we’re not talking the details of the training but you know his background and his approach and his beautiful heart have really opened up this opportunity to put
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someone like you I mean that to me is interactive with our community in a way you know people that have money do all kinds of stuff and they throw money at this agency throw money at that agency but to create a new world we need to create New Foundations and new s solid things that think in a in a way nonviolent communication the idea of restorative justice that whole thing that’s a really can you explain that to our audience in a little slower Better Way sure yeah of course the words restorative justice really so much it
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does it’s it’s a whole other division actually that’s the other program we run is restorative justice center of Maui and we’re trying to get um those Concepts really into the court system here especially the newon court system but the idea of restorative is if if the opposite of punitive so the theory is that if crime hurts or if you know harm is done then whatever is done to fix it should be healing and Punishment just does more harm and the argument is that if you know if punishment worked we’d be
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in the safest place ever right because we have so many people in jail right now um and so there’s this theory that you know punishment is going to be a deterrent right and that if you under the threat of punishment you know you’ll you’ll do good and it might work to a certain degree but it tends to cause a lot more harm than good and so and really this came out of indigenous cultures right so if you if you were in a small village right and small tribe and and someone does something that
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causes harm you can’t just throw them in jail you know you need that person they a valuable part of the community the community doesn’t have resources to kind of you know Exile people sometimes they would Exile them out of the village if they’re really dangerous so this isn’t to say you don’t use protective Force right in certain situations right some people aren’t able to be part of society and they need to be you know protect Sun needs to be protected from them but in most cases you know if a kid spray
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paints a wall you know what’s the right answer as opposed to punishing them wouldn’t it be even more effective and even in a way more difficult for the kid but more valuable to bring that kid together with the person who’s W they spray pain you know and actually facilitate a healing there you know what is what does it take to make it right and give people the opportunity to make it right because in the current justice system right now the guy whose wall is spray painted isn’t even involved
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right it’s it’s like the state takes over in criminal cases you know that they they do the prosecution and the victim never even gets a voice so um if you ever look up there’s a great TV series that Ben Jones did called the Redemption project and it was all about him helping these facilitate these conferences between victims and offenders and crime they would get the victims and offenders now of course you don’t you don’t just throw them together I mean there’s a whole process to this
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right to create safety I mean obviously the the offender has to be willing to admit that they’ve done harm you know for this to work but um if they are then there’s just all this healing that can occur and all this repair that can occur uh and so that’s really the idea in in the schools you know instead instead of doing instead of suspending a kid and just kicking them out of the school like that doesn’t really help anything you know why don’t we actually facilitate fig you figure out what is it that
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caused the behavior in the first place what’s underneath it how do we make it right how do we fix in a pair of things you know so that’s kind of short version of sort of Justice this idea of of having healing and repair as opposed to punishment well I think that’s really you know I look at the two ends of the spectrum here right a restorative justice system for someone that’s done wrong that needs to come back right see eye to eye and level with the person they’ve offended and make things better
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together what a beautiful concept and in the other one the youth who the youth who need that extra help to look at things in a different way yeah I can see that go ahead sorry yeah youth youth do well if they can it’s gonna sometimes it’s not because they don’t want to it’s because they have ability issues right you want to consider those two well those two things go so well together I mean I hope that uh you know the restorative justice system can and the nonviolence Factor and the communication
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Factor really gets embraced by the school system I hope that they’re open to that to be able to create an environment so when you let someone back into schools that the the places they’re going back to are improving the general quality sort of fighting against the social media aspects of our world I had a guest on today on uh I did a show this morning in fact you know him Scott Bushnell was talking about the the things he has in the in the jail he has groups of men together in the jail our world needs
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communication and I can’t even put put it up into a more important place than how important you are because the people that go through your program will be ambassadors for this kind of a thing wherever they’re going going and uh you know what you’re doing is what do we say we and Mankind project lay a foundation for the future of our world by setting an example and in what you’re doing you’re doing it in setting example and again I know we’re early in this but you wouldn’t have set up this foundation
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with a guy like jesis and Zara unless the outcome was going to be something that could be impactful and Community positive into the community you know we who are blessed in what ways we are need to find Productive ways to give back and um you know I almost don’t like keeping you here I know you’re so busy you’ve got a teacher to go call back any important things that you’d like to share I know I have your information sitting on screen like you’ve got which is great um um you
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know a couple things we have a mediation training coming up this weekend if people are interested there still time to sign up this is how you can you can learn to be a mediator of conflict uh it goes from 9: to three on Saturday and Sunday well because we’re not live this won’t be on after it’s over we’ll have more of those yeah if you’re interested in learning how to resolve conflict you can contact us um and of course you know to help me get the word about the shelter out we want
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people to know about the service you know because I think it’s um it takes time you know to get the word out into the community I think so people can know that the service is here here and therefore feel free to just call us you know and we can talk tell you more about it um of course you can go to the website to see more as well but best way is just to may be call and ask question so you’re not like a you’re not a crisis center can’t get one hey I’m sitting on the street and I’ve got a crisis right
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now what do I do they don’t they don’t no no that number would be 988 that’s the best number to call for crisis if it’s not an emergency emergency number is 911 it’s urgent well that’s the cares line it’s run by um aloh house actually uh manages it but it’s a it’s a nonemergency but urgent kind of Carline so let’s say someone is needing support for whatever you know they’re they’re they’re depressed they’re down they’re feeling maybe feeling even there of
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course there’s suicide hotlines as well but if they are feeling suicidal they can call 988 as well but let’s say they need they just need support they’re not sure what to do they’re you know they they’re kids been kicked out of the house by their parents you know they can call 988 for support as well or adults can call it you know anybody can call it really if in need need of of supportive resources for anything like it’s another information line it’s called The Hawaii
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cares line well that’s good to know see everyone needs that but um so and any other things because I know only reason saying it this way um I don’t want to run out of time and miss the most important things that you would like to be able to share I want to have you back and if you have anything that you’d like to ever deliver into our show you are welcome to jump in on any show you know we’re a Callin call out talk show which is oh okay which I hopefully will sometimes we’re going to create
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situation when you’re there in the studio people will call in and talk about a subject that you’d like to so you can promote it and we can do it live on TV and radio see we hope to provide a bridge again fill in a hole where we could do good you know like you guys yeah no I think we hit it I think for now and I look forward to coming back and thanks for giving me the time and space David Litman you are um a gentleman I hope that you are public realizes the Taran Jou young Foundation t r NJ y.org it’s up there on screen but
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if you’re on radio you haven’t seen it 808 866833 info Taran t r NJ J y.org info@ Taran j.org David tanj y.org Y what did I I forgot the why you put an extra J in there too so it’s just info at tanj y.org yeah okay well I want our audience are gonna listen again and say well that guy Litman I this guy Schwarz he just cut him off well well I just want to be sure because um sometimes as host I you know get a little puffy but what you’re doing is really um very important thank you for all you’re doing and thank your
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benefactors for funding the work that you do my friend thank you thanks for the work you’re doing as well for getting all those great messages out into the community appreciate it my pleasure have a good day you too aloha aloha well there you go audience we’re on the neutral zone but we’re anything neutral David Litman tan J young foundation in wuku Maui Aloha we’ll see you [Music] again
