Things we Need for the Maui Economy…so you say!

7-21-2025-Jason Schwartz takes the reins alone, as guest does not show. Jason speaks about some things needed on maui island, its economy and how to fix things; he speaks about global challenges, AI, and much more— some great music, too.

Full Video Transcript with Timestamps

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Well, good morning everyone. It’s the neutral zone. Good morning. July 21st, 2025. Holy mackerel, the year just runs by. Hey everyone, how are you? Uh we have a guest that uh might be a few minutes late, it appears. I’m looking forward to his visiting and being part of our show. He was on here some years ago. Very dynamic and interesting man that I think everyone will know when they see him. And if you don’t, you’re going to really appreciate our new guests here today. Um, I just um can’t help but notice today as

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I walked in here, I I was thinking about Lisa Darcy. Lisa Darcy has been an advocate for houselessness, houseless people for a number of years. Shareyoumana.org. And um my Facebook feed got filled up. the county did a sweep down at a mile place which is that area across from the um waste uh processing plant in Kahalui and they’ve swept there a couple of different times and they’ve been sweeping all around this island for houseless people and their things and when there isn’t adequate place to put

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everyone and a lot of a lot of people don’t fit into the few different kinds of choices that there are even if there were room this things are out of control. So, I hope to have her back on with a progress report. Uh, next week we’re going to do a repeat of this show probably. Um, some things going on that we’re going to uh let a week go by and double our pleasure. Let’s see who just did that. Maybe it’s our guest. Let’s see. We go in and we see no someone who said what do you mean that’s

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not it anyway um houselessness homelessness housing programs solutions we need solutions I’m going to give you a quick one now this is very quick there are a lot of people with billions billions of dollars um that have houses here that have all kinds of things here And even if they’re not here, they have let’s pick one. Let’s pick Let’s pick Jeff Bezos. He’s pretty out and available. He has uh quite a bit of money. Let’s imagine that he took a fund and he wants to put it

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into equity sharing in development of single family and multifamily uh homes. that um equity sharing would allow him to make the monthly rent low enough that people that want to be owning can get involved and over time they would own the house and could buy it from him anytime outright. So his income would come all the time and anything that would become a loan to make that all happen would be paid back. Uh and over time whatever he owns he owns and owns more and it his financial statement really doesn’t get impacted very much at

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all. Meanwhile we’re able to house many many people. I I think that we should get wealthy people. You know I’m just picking they can do it voluntarily. That’s why I’m reactivated my real estate license. Whether I’m representing a buyer, a seller, or we refer it to agents that are specialists in all the different areas of this island and all the islands. And then in our referral commissions, we I give 60% the maximum I can give by law into the nonprofit to promote art and music and and culture

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and do live shows. And that along with monies that are contributed along the way and products from all the people involved in this, artists, musicians, healing art, environmental, all kinds of stuff will fuel funds to really dig in in the environmental movement and implement some of these solutions that are on the cutting edge. So we become a destination for cutting edge technology in progress and process that’s funded by the activity of the people here including people that buy and sell real

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estate. If I were going to do all the deals, it would be crazy, you know. But by being able to refer it to to agents that specialize in different areas and have different talents, we can match people up and then the money that we make directly goes into creating shows all across the island and islands and showcasing important things and developing local activity so that this money is regenerated into our island. Regenerate Maui. We’re a couple of weeks away from the second year anniversary of the fire in Lahina. It’s hard to

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imagine it’s two years later. It’s still uh the tourism is a fraction of what it was before. Uh a small fraction. I hear all these reports from wherever. But in the bottom line of what I see, maybe in the hotels it’s 60%. I don’t know what their percentages are. So when you go down the streets, first of all, there is no Lahina, but if you go down the streets, you don’t see the kind of traffic flow that used to be Maui and can be again, but we want to do it intelligently here. But we want to serve

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the local people, the houseless people, the people with low income to be able to create a way to have ownership if they want it or rent. Obviously, they can rent, but we uh need a crisis solved in both of those areas. And it seems that if we rely on things like taxes, were limited. And we create enemies in the same breath by raising taxes on people who are going to come here at some point. They’re going to say, “I don’t want to come there. My god, the prices are not only crazy, but they have all

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these taxes to try to We can do it ourselves. It’s just a matter of will. That’s what I think.” Anyway, check out dreammaui.com. You’ll see what I mean. Or maui coastpropy.com or exoticpropyhawawaii.com. All that stuff leads to one thing, an integrated action plan. Promote art, music, culture, environment. Raise the money through real estate sales. Real raise the money through actual contributions. raised the money through creating funds in special arrangements with very wealthy private

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parties. And I like to think of that thing that Jesus said in the Bible. It’s not my quote, but we remember when they said, “Hey, you know, give to Romans what they want and we have something else. We’re going for something else. A higher and more thoughtful and caring world through a different route.” And that’s what we’re trying to do here and be an example to the world. No matter how much funding gets cut off, if we deal on a local level like I just spoke about, we are not going to see that same

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impact. We’re going to see exactly the opposite. Cooperation at new levels and everything working because we are regenerating. You know, many times I think people think, oh, as we make money, we save it for later for our children, for our grandchildren. I have to build this empire. Um, you know, I think that’s not a bad thinking except right now we need that money regenerated into current activity or there will be no future. You know, we’re at that point. We’ve done it to ourselves as a society. You

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know, I I heard something. In fact, I’ll play it for you. The physics and chemistry department at the Nobel committee for a Nobel Peace Prize, they um had something to say. This guy Wreck Hinton is his name. Wreck. I think it’s not. It’s close to that. Let me see if I can find it right here. Ray. Ray Hinton. Rey Hinton. Here’s what he said. It’s a couple of minutes. Listen to this. Your Royal Highnesses, excellencies, dear laurates, ladies and gentlemen, this year the Nobel Committees in

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Physics and Chemistry have recognized the dramatic progress being made in a new form of artificial intelligence that uses artificial neural networks to learn how to solve difficult computational problems. This new form of AI excels at modeling human intuition rather than human reasoning and it will enable us to create highly intelligent and knowledgeable assistants who will increase productivity in almost all industries. If the benefits of the increased productivity can be shared equally, it will be a wonderful advance for all

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humanity. >> Isn’t that something? Unfortunately, the rapid progress in AI comes with many short-term risks. It has already created divisive echo chambers by offering people content that makes them indignant. It is already being used by authoritarian governments for massive surveillance and by cyber criminals for fishing attacks. In the near future, AI may be used to create terrible new viruses and horrendous lethal weapons that decide by themselves who to kill or may. All of these short-term risks require

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urgent and forceful attention from governments and international organizations. There is also a longerterm existential threat that will arise when we create digital beings that are more intelligent than ourselves. We have no idea whether we can stay in control, but we now have evidence that if they are created by companies motivated by short-term profits, our safety will not be the top priority. We urgently need research on how to prevent these new beings from wanting to take control. They are no longer science

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fiction. Thank you. >> Did you catch that? I I heard that and I thought here we’re all enjoying this new renaissance of AI and being able to use tools that make things easier for us and make it easier to know less and have it spit out something to create brilliance and get people thinking they’re more clever because they were able to come and find an answer through a short way. I remember in high school when I had a yearbook signing, my chemistry teacher wrote in my in my yearbook, the

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easiest is not always the best. You know, we know that that is true. I remember when people used to read books and then they liked the synopsis version because it was quicker and then they were able to do things and things got done quicker and now you’re able to put in an idea it’ll structure it give you ideas chapters you can write a book in 20 minutes put it up on the net sell it for X price and do it again and do it again and now you go up there on social media you don’t know half of the social

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media is AI beings and AI responding to you and filling in your day with something that isn’t even human. And we see all our everything getting duplicated and we think we’re oh no, someone’s stealing my account. It’s crazy out there. That’s AI. Well, that’s the fun part if you want. But what about it has great uses. It can be done to accelerate in all these industries. That’s what they were just saying and I thought that was well stated and then he stated something really critically

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important that if we don’t legislate that means somehow monitor close enough that when we create these special AI beings that are intended to make us smarter at some point they become smarter than us and they take over. They’re smarter than us and we’re not protected. That is super important. And recognizing that if we look back in history, we see how many civilizations went down through their own creations, through their own doing, whether it’s uh physically or what we’re doing to the

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environment. We can look back in history and see it all many times before. what we see, you know, in the microcosm is also in the macro and it’s all happening all at the same time. I mean, we just listen to that and we think about the world now. Who would ever thought that we’d have a president that was a convicted felon on multiple counts that has more power than most most anyone in my calculated history except for dictators. What’s going on here? What’s happening with our economy? All this stuff. But we

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locally here in Maui and in Hawaii have an opportunity because we are so remote maybe or maybe because we know that there was a culture that was here before that with their own resources had a successful thriving culture. Do we take the wisdom from the old and marry it with the new wisdom and come out with something better? Something that elevates concepts that work in a natural way versus things that are artificial. Quite a time we’re living in. you know, uh it’s said that we’re all back here by

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our design or people that don’t believe in reincarnation and it’s just u here we are. This is just the pick of the universe. We got here because we got here and here we are. Well, whatever your belief systems, here we are now in a world that depending on where you look, selfishly anyone can accumulate, but clearly when you die, you’re not accumulating anything, right? Physical things, what’s that? Gone. So when we’re here on earth, you’d think that this would be a time to be

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reflective to and I guess coming from a quote good perspective, do things to serve others and make it easier and better for all people. But it seems that there’s lots of people that take advantage, become us and them, separate, isolate, alienate. Sound like the world we’re living in. Sounds like the the world that steps on each other thinking that’s the way they’re going to get to u the right thing for them, but the others don’t matter. We all matter and we all know that. Don’t think we don’t know that.

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If those people that pretend to not know what being good is just aren’t self-reflecting. If they self-reflected, they would know how they feel about if they were in that need, in that desire, what they would want. Some people call it enabling. Oh, you’re enabling someone. they should be doing it and earning it. Well, our whole society has been shifting. We’re making it easy here to enable all kinds of things. uh quality of the work you do, the way you think, the way you retrieve information, the way you get

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information. Everything’s just changing and creating conditions to create a weaker and less indepth individual. Well, that’s sort of what’s going on with more people. I don’t know where my guest may be. Maybe I did need to remind him. I don’t know. But at 18 minutes after, I would say he’s not coming until we schedule him again because he’s an important guest. Everyone’s an important guest. But I like speaking to people that I’ve spoken to before who can come and check in and

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say, “Okay, when last I was here, it was six years ago, seven years ago, two years ago, and the world and conditions in my world was like this. Here’s where it is now.” And um that’s what I’m going to be doing, revisiting some of the ones that are still around and still alive that can let you know. Well, I don’t do this only, but you know, if I had Alice Lee sitting here, I’d remind her of when she gave me an endorsement on this Maui Arts and Music Association project

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right before the Cultural Center was opening when I was planning on doing an opening event. But again, things happen, things happen and um politics and fear and whatever changed things, delayed things. I’d like to get Alice’s endorsement now. I could probably go in that direction and and may soon. But I also know that the direction that’s the most powerful is the audience. That’s you. All of you out there know that the only way we’re going to see change is if we do it. That doesn’t mean violence. It

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means we do it. Not angry. We do it. We are in service. By being in service to each other, we can solve all these problems. All these problems we hear about. I went to see with Miss Ariel last night or last yesterday afternoon. come from away. It was the story how 13 or 38 whatever planes were rrooted to gander Newfoundland and uh how they stayed there for a number of days and doubled the number of people in town and it was an experience that resulted in love and support and you know we see crisis can do that. It

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can do all kinds of things. But we also see that other side of man, that one who’s suspect and doesn’t trust. And we just know now’s the time to be our best selves and reach out in ways that make things better. When you see someone that’s hurting and you can help them, help them. Don’t point them down the road to help. Down the road to help may already have been extinguished. So that’s what we saw there in Gander, Newfoundland after 9/11 and the whole thing going on that day and after the fires in Lahina.

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That’s what we saw here. We saw an amazing core of people. You know, some of them you’re going to see on this show. We have a a series called Westside Stories coming on. You’ll be seeing it. Um hopefully you’ll see it on uh PBS or who knows NBC. the real story of what happened before the agencies came in and how things got handled by local people learning to cooperate sometimes with some challenge initially in different ways but the level of cooperation and help that went out here

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in Lahina after the fire can be rivaled can’t be rivaled anywhere that I’ve ever heard. And I want to salute the people of Maui, people of Lahina, and the West Side for sure. They’re still suffering now two years later. And with all the different programs cutting out money, wouldn’t it be interesting if every time I sold a house or an agent sold a house that got referred through us, we’re plugging money into creating jobs, plugging money into doing things that regenerate our

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island and our quality of life here. And in that, things are going to be better for everyone. Anyway, that’s the model I like to take. Well, I’m sorry our guest isn’t here, but um I was going to talk about all kinds of things today with him. Instead, I think I’m going to switch and have a little fun. I’m going to go to a song that I remember. Maybe you remember when I heard it, I thought someone needs to rewrite these lyrics to the current day. But listen to this one. I know you’ve

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heard this song. Let’s ask Mick. Not Mick Fleetwood, MC Jagger. [Music] >> Wealth and taste. I’ve been around for a long, long year. So many men sold away. And I was around when Jesus Christ had his moment of doubt and pain. Damn sure that pilot washed his hands and sealed his face. >> Oh, I cut it off. We’re going to stop that. We’ll do it again. >> There we are. >> Now I know I can’t call my guest. It’s >> worth listening to again. for a long long year. So many men sold

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away and I was around when Jesus Christ had his moment of doubt and pain made damn sure that pilot washed his hands and sealed his face. Pleased to meet you. Hope you guess my name. But what’s the nature of my game? I stuck around St. Petersburg. When I saw was a time for a change killed the Zars and his ministers Anastasia screamed in vain. I rode a tank hel when the bliss graves and the body stand. Pleased to meet you. Hope you watch the nature of my game. Oh yeah. I watched with glee while your kings and

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queens fought for 10 decades for the gods they made. I shouted out to the Kennedes when after all it was you and me. Let me introduce myself. I’m a man of wealth and taste and I laid a trap for dogs who get killed before they reach my pleas. [Music] >> Yeah. What’s puzzling you is the nature of my game. Well, there could be new verses written since those Rolling Stone days. When was that? That was in the early 60s, wasn’t it? So, here we are more than 50 and 60 years later. We’re seeing again harsh realities being

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carried out. I don’t want to say in the name of I don’t know what it’s in the name of. You know, you can take something that’s a color and look at it and describe it in many ways in relation to what you know everything is crazy. We’re in a in an unpredictable world. The only thing we can predict is what we choose to do. If we do that, we can predict the beautiful future. If we don’t and we don’t understand this time to be the most important time in history. Why? Because it’s now.

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Because the reality of now is we need to be different. We need to search deeper. We need to protect our own integrity as beings and not put ourselves in a position where something we create destroys us. Isn’t that incredible to say? But here we are on the edge of the collapse of our civilization by things that we create. As they say, we you know, you also hear let them. We only can do what we can do. Well, let’s see what we can do about doing that because until the end might come through something from outside,

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from here inside. Inside meaning on Maui in Hawaii, you’re here. You’re a consumer. You’re a user, a worker, a whatever you want to label yourself. We can each put a spin on things. A good spin. Make things better. Find ways to help someone that you see coming across your path. It’s going to be a better world. Speaking of better worlds, [Music] World are born and worlds die. [Music] [Music] We see it all right here on our TV. [Music] for us to see. Full of all the world’s stage

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in a play with an ancient script of fear and doubt and gage to find a better way for life is what we need for peace in our world for peace in our [Music] in our hearts with peace in our hearts [Music] to keep the hooded horsemen from the We’re talking biggerap [Music] and the home of the brave and the world could be deep We know what we’re done for peace in our world [Music] for peace in our country for peace on our street in our house. It all starts with peace in our heart. [Music] [Music]

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There’s something we forgot to see through the eyes of a child. Find again the truth we’ve always known for peace in our world for peace in our country. For peace on our street, peace in our house in our homeace [Music] in our country [Music] for peace in our [Music] peace in our country. [Music] Peace in our hearts. That was written by Louise Lambert who is a extraordinary piano player. She is really versatile and she also teaches voice and all kinds of music. She’s just a great lady. That

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song is um decades old and was a hit at a festival up in Canada. I don’t know where it was in the charts up there, but I am thinking it’s destined to be coming again here because uh I’m going to do my best to make that happen. Um, I’m gonna play another song that I think you probably if you’ve listened to this show, maybe you’ve heard it. It’s uh written by Lono. Lono is over in Mulai. Many people know you know him. He’s been a performer for many years. He also has

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a an ukulele camp that he does over there and teaches. So uh but this is written long ago and it was written and I thought this is a great to be married song. Watch this. Listen to this. Then I do. There is no other one. What I feel here for you, holding you in my arms, cradle you with my love. You’re all dressed in white. Look into your eyes. Tell all the world tonight I’ll be falling. You’re my shining star. From this day on I’ll be your friend. I’ll be by your side. Blessed are we

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this night. shower us with God’s love. Will you be mine tonight? Giving you all my love. And as we look back on our wedding day, this band of gold that we will share, neverending love for all my life, then I do. [Music] Wow. How did that track snack? It snuck on there without lyrics. How funny. Well, there’s a video just posted by my guest. Well, being that it’s just been posted, that means he doesn’t even realize that he uh wasn’t here. So, I will schedule him a couple of weeks

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out. Like I say, next week we’re going to repeat this show probably. If we’re going to repeat it, let’s repeat something else that’s really worthwhile. Let’s Here’s a song, a great song. Was the theme song of our show early on when we were doing Mama Presents. This was the theme song from Lono. No matter where you go, no matter what you do, take that Maui style with you. If you styl [Music] [Music] [Music] the star, Lift your head. Look to the heavens. Then you will feel

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brand new again. Don’t stop me now. Don’t let me down. Don’t let me down. Don’t let me down. Don’t let me down. Reach out your hand and help each other. Your mother, your father, your sister and brother. There is love in this family. Pick yourself up and get on your feet. Don’t stop me now. Maui styin. [Music] [Music] sty don’t stop me now. We will all reach the finish line. The six of us. No one left behind. We all winners. >> You feel them all in the boat. >> They’re canoeing in the race. What a

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great [Music] win. Don’t let me down. Maui style style. [Music] [Music] Don’t let me down. Don’t let me down. Don’t let me down. Don’t let me down. Styling. [Music] Wow. Every time I hear those songs, I just get the chills because I know they’re really still. They’re still current. They still are current. Listen to this one. It’s a while ago. Puhoku. [Music] Thank you, Lo. I set my eyes. [Music] Can I be there? Can I be with you? We climb high into the clouds. Oh,

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build the shorine. Can I be there? Can I be with you? Look across. Oh, neverless never [Music] mind. Destiny will find. You’ve made a friend in me and I’ll be yours forever. [Music] I love a valley I have seen. And when I dream, I dream of you. See the waterfall flow to the sea. It was called [Music] We looking over Papa. [Music] Nevertheless, never second best. I love you, too. You’re always on my mind. [Music] Destiny will find you. And I’ll be yours forever. Comes once. You’ll be amazed. Watch the stars so

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brightly shining for you and me. So from the shoreline of this island, can I be there? Can I be with you? [Music] Oh myless never I love you. You’re always on my mind. Destiny will find. You’ve made a friend in me and I’ll be yours forever. [Music] Foreverless. [Music] Never second. I love you. You’re on my mind. Destiny will find. You’ve made a friend in me and I’ll be yours forever. Forever. Forever. Beautiful, [Music] huh? Puhoku. I don’t remember which album that was

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on. Lo, I think it was uh Wow. A few back there. Lo’s been uh prolific over the years. And the last numbers of albums have been in Hawaiian mostly. And uh what a great guy. He’s been a friend for a long time and really um I think you know the thing that I’ve always really appreciated about these islands there are beautiful people here. I’ve now been here half my life. Half my life. But that’s significant because I was everywhere else for the other half. So to have spent all these years here

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I really feel like it’s been home. Thank you, Maui, for taking me in and thank you people for being so open and responsive. I am looking forward to seeing what happens in these next years. We are um at a real crossroads, I think. You know, we have to do things and do them differently than they’ve been done. and can be done um I guess you’d say diplomatically and um I think the biggest problem is that we as a society have relied on the government to take care of things and yet we don’t want to pay for them

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somehow you know to fix the roads and do this and do that and hire people and do all the rest of that. We’d like it to be done efficiently and efficiently and we’d like everything to be current and we’d like there to be no uh funny business and decisions made that aren’t for the best interest of the people, but you can’t please everyone all the time and all the rest of that stuff. But these are important crossroads and we’re going to be the ones that really shape what’s coming up. If we don’t

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shape what’s coming up, it’s going to shape us. And we’re seeing that now. We’re overwhelmed and overloaded by things that haven’t been adequately handed and handled. And now it takes drastic things. Could you imagine? It takes drastic It’s drastic to say we’re going to create more affordable housing. What that means is we are going to find a way to supplement the cost of building that housing so that it can be affordable to the people here and we have this scale of what we think is affordable.

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Can you imagine? It’s been the It’s shocking to hear more than 20 years ago was when purchasing of a house on Maui was in reach of people on Maui that live here and work here. Over the last decades, decades, we have not found a way to build enough to keep things at a point. Why? Because we let other people buy. Well, can’t restrict the market. We’re now trying to do it and make changes to existing things where people bought in and the whole world is set up on one way. We’re going to change

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the course because we find we can’t build our way out of it. That means we’re going to screw up two things to solve this problem. We’re going to destroy something that’s been working. Yeah, maybe we were pretty nutty in building everything so it didn’t have the local people mixed into the middle of Kihei enough and the prices went high and vacation rentals and the prices got so high that people start renting them out for more and more and more and they had to do because the cost is so high

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they have to find a way to justify how to pay it. We did all that ourselves, Maui. We did it ourselves. So let’s fix it ourselves. Again, I like to include the very wealthy in our community who could be that equity sharing construction and takeout loan program. And um you know we all these things can happen but we need effective leadership and I don’t really I don’t stay close enough in attention to what’s going on at the council to really focus on how to do it. But I can tell you it has to be someone I think in

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the council group and not outside groups and and inside the council and build a consensus that somehow in my opinion is more responsive to the needs of the people than what we hear going on now. It just isn’t okay to have so many people in constant crisis about where they’re living, how they’re going to pay. They’re working all the time. The quality of family life is eroded by not having adequate time to spend with your family and loved ones and all the things that go on with stealing and

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taking and and because people don’t have enough. I’ve heard people say, you know, after the fire, they kind of expected it that the thievery would go up. They expected it when you know and we think that the police you know are going to be able to address this without extra arms and legs and eyes. We all have to realize we’re part of all that is everything. So we have to step up in all departments and we start realizing that uh this you know our lives are participation sport. We can’t just come

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out every two years and hope that we elect people that are going to put in programs that are right for us that’ll be affordable and get enough housing and everyone will do the right thing. And we need a more conscious and aggressive group in there. That’s just all I got to say. There’s lots of people in there. I’m so sorry that Kelly King isn’t there. I thought that environmental economic committee was really super important and doing good things and I’d like to really see a lot of changes, but

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I’m old and I could run, but I’m starting to realize if we don’t get young people in here that step up and speak out more and we have to know who they are, all of us have to know who they are and support them and make some of these changes. And some of these changes are going to require things of us, the people who aren’t elected, more out of our pockets, more out of our thinking about hoarding for later. Maybe we can reinvest and re-energize our island. And maybe we can have parents

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that can have their kids live here on Maui. Don’t have to send them off to the mainland to some new life because there’s no quality of thing they can do here. because there’s nowhere to live. The costs are too high. You raise your kid to get smart and then he becomes a pizza server for 25 years because that’s the best jobs around. What I don’t mean to take anything away from the pizza servers. And in fact, some of them are making really good money. Some of everybody here, you know, we have an

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alternative economy. No, it’s a tourist economy, but we don’t have a local supportive economy unless we learn to blend that in a different way than we’ve been doing. There are a lot of ideas that only require the government to get out of the way. And maybe that sounds really Republican to me. It sounds very green, very freedomoriented, but it takes people understanding that we can do it. People have to really realize we can do it without that central arm of the government. But that will mean by

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all of us stepping on stepping up and doing good things. I mean that’s really important. None of this can happen unless we all participate as these solutions are developing. We all participate. Otherwise the world’s going to become more buttons, more remote, let everything else do all the work. But then what about us? How are we developing? That has to be integrated and used in a way that makes sense for the continuation of humanity. Right? I hope that’s really clearly understood. I don’t know if it is, but

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we’re going to be a broken record until we’re not anymore available to speak to you. We don’t take Hawaii public radio funding from the government. Maybe they get money here, but we get it out of the cable bills. That was a good rule. Probably need to get more. Probably need to be able to expand the activities and be able to pay the people here better commensurate with what a regular outside work job would be. And we need to develop more and more things that we can do. I like to say island centric. We

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can develop a lot of things and support a lot of people here in all the things of the world right here in Maui and be plenty selfsufficient and more. Well, thank you all for joining me here today. It was been an hour ran by for me and our guest our guest will be here again. It’s uh clearly an oversight because I’ve known this gentleman a long time and I know that uh he would definitely want to be here and talking and be part of our conversation today. So when we do come back, we’ll pick him up again. And

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next week we are read a repeat of this show. We have a minute left, maybe a minute 27. I think I’m going to play a little short music thing for you before our credits. Let’s see. Oh, I don’t know which one’s going to be short enough to play. I think I’m going to play this again. I think you need to hear this again. >> There is also a longerterm existential threat that will arise when we create digital beings that are more intelligent than ourselves. We have no idea whether we can stay in

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control. But we now have evidence that if they are created by companies motivated by short-term profits, our safety will not be the top priority. We urgently need research on how to prevent these new beings from wanting to take control. They are no longer science fiction. Thank you. >> You’re all >> Isn’t that something? Yeah, I think that’s really something. Well, thank you for joining us. We’re going to cut out a few seconds early. See if we can play another commercial

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from somebody else. We loved you. We’re going to be here next week and in two weeks we’ll have another guest. Blessings everyone. Thank you for joining me. Aloha.