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Jimmy Kimmel Live! It is NOT – but Rev. James Kimmel & Jason Schwartz # 17 … or so. Jason Schwartz sits with Rev. James Kimmel on Maui, Hawaii in August 2013. We are days from celebration 2020th… Jesus’ Earth/Urantia Birthday is August 21. Rev. Jim explores the Urantia Book and extolls book of writings about Earth and its creation… up til today.
Summary & Transcript Below…
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[00:41] Introduction and Overview of The Urantia Book
The discussion opens with an introduction to The Urantia Book, a text that originated in the mid-1930s (1934-1935) but was not released publicly until 1955. It is described as a large and complex work, consisting of 196 papers. The book is said to be authored by a commission of superhuman beings, including various celestial personalities such as divine counselors, mighty messengers, archangels, Melchizedeks, and others. These beings are part of a “truth-revealing commission” that presented this information as a divine gift to humanity. The book is divided into four major parts, each containing extensive information, with a special emphasis on Jesus Christ, also referred to as the Prince of Peace and the sovereign creator of the universe. - [03:04] Jesus Christ in The Urantia Book
Jesus is portrayed as a real historical figure with a cosmic role, not merely a religious symbol. His earthly name was Joshua Ben Joseph, and he was born naturally to Joseph and Mary—there was no immaculate conception, which the speakers assert is a false doctrine that emerged later in Christianity. The significance of Jesus lies in his life, teachings, and example rather than mythologized stories. The Urantia Book provides a more comfortable and comprehensive understanding of Jesus as the incarnation of the creator of the universe, a unique event that happens only once in millions of worlds. The book emphasizes Jesus’ dual nature as both divine and human, highlighting his mission to end a spiritual rebellion and restore connection with God. 
A crucial concept introduced is the planetary rebellion that occurred roughly 200,000 years ago. The spiritual ruler of Earth (Urantia) betrayed cosmic law, leading to the quarantine of Earth and 36 other worlds. This isolation cut off communication and interaction with other parts of the universe. Jesus’ mission included addressing this rebellion on a spiritual level, which he accomplished, leading to the presence of the “spirit of truth” within humanity today. His earthly death did not end his existence; his spiritual essence remains active and accessible. The discussion also touches on the interconnectedness of the visible and invisible realms and introduces cosmic geography, such as the name “Michael of Nebadon,” identifying Jesus as the creator Michael of our universe.- [10:00] Compatibility with Christian Faith and Enrichment of Beliefs
The speakers emphasize that The Urantia Book does not negate traditional Christian belief but rather enriches and deepens it. Jesus is made more accessible and understandable as a man and divine being. The spirit of truth that Jesus imparted is available to all as a birthright, encouraging personal spiritual transformation. Living by the principles Jesus taught—love, peace, and truth—provides a solid foundation for personal and global peace, which is grounded in spiritual and physical realities. The book presents peace as stemming from alignment with the Creator, truth, and facts of existence. - [12:29] The Broader Religious Context and Spiritual Division
The discussion acknowledges that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam represent major paradigms that have not fully accepted Jesus as the universe’s creator. This rejection has contributed to significant spiritual darkness and division worldwide. The Bible is critiqued for discouraging exploration beyond its canonical texts, which has limited spiritual growth and understanding. The Urantia Book is presented as a new and vital revelation that offers comprehensive knowledge about God and Jesus, surpassing traditional scriptures by providing detailed history, cosmology, and teachings. - [14:54] The Urantia Book’s Four Parts and Their Content
Part Three of the book is highlighted as containing the history of Earth, including the origin of the Bible and detailed accounts of planetary events, while Part Four focuses on Jesus’ life and teachings with far greater detail than the New Testament. The book is portrayed as a “script to the movie” of Jesus’ life, enhancing understanding without contradicting Christian teachings. This enrichment is regarded as essential for Christians today, given global challenges that threaten survival. - [16:33] Impact of Embracing The Urantia Book’s Teachings
Embracing the teachings can lead to spiritual transformation by encouraging people to live as Jesus lived—mindal, spiritual, and personal beings who recognize their divine origin. The book aims to unite humanity as one family—the sons and daughters of God—ushering in peace and righteousness. It is not a dream but a viable reality and pathway, addressing the root causes of conflict, which often stem from scarcity and greed for land and resources. The struggle for dominion and power, especially since the 1897 World Zionist Congress, is identified as a driving force behind many wars, fueled by false beliefs and misguided goals. 
[19:41] Distinction Between True Facts and False Facts
The conversation turns philosophical and epistemological, distinguishing true facts from false facts (e.g., Santa Claus myth, literal interpretations of biblical events). Human confusion arises from mixing true and false information, which clouds perception and understanding. The Urantia Book is positioned as a source of clear, true facts that can clarify reality and provide a coherent understanding of life and the universe.- [21:25] Science and Religion: A Logical Approach to Spirituality
One speaker identifies himself as a scientist who arrived at religion through logic and facts. Science is defined as the pursuit of knowledge grounded in facts, which leads to truth. This scientific approach forms the basis for accepting the teachings of The Urantia Book as reliable and logical. Understanding Jesus’ teachings about peace and living rightly is seen as a natural extension of seeking truth through facts. - [22:23] Jesus’ Teachings on Peace
Jesus did not claim to bring immediate peace but rather to establish the conditions or foundation for peace that would evolve progressively as humanity makes righteous choices. The “infrastructure” for peace is spiritual and personal, requiring evolutionary development over time. His message includes realistic acknowledgment of ongoing conflict but also hope for ultimate peace through spiritual growth. - [23:19] Free Will and Divine Identity
Free will is identified as the core factor underlying all good and evil, choice and consequence. Humans are sons and daughters of God with the capacity to know and experience God through faith and realization of their cosmic identity. This identity is described as empowering self-respect and spiritual transformation. The book clarifies that access to God is through Jesus as the Son and the spiritual inner presence known as the Thought Adjuster, a fragment of God’s will within each individual. 
[25:46] Thought Adjusters and The Spirit of Truth
A Thought Adjuster is explained as the divine fragment of God’s will residing within each person, distinct from but working harmoniously with the Spirit of Truth. The Thought Adjuster is pre-personal and represents the will of God guiding the mind and spirit, enabling personal spiritual growth and connection to the cosmic Father.- [28:19] Living Truth and Becoming Godlike
The central message is that living in truth and following divine principles naturally leads to becoming more Godlike. Recognizing oneself as a child of God should inspire peace, love, acceptance, and spiritual growth. The struggle and conflicts arise from ignorance and the misuse of free will, which can lead to “cosmic suicide” if individuals and humanity as a whole reject divine laws. - [32:17] Duality of Humanity and Consequences of Choices
Humanity is divided into two groups: those aligned with God and those who are not. This division has resulted in immense suffering and loss of life through wars and conflict. The misuse of free will by a minority seeking global dominion has imposed suffering on the majority, sustained by participation in the system (e.g., taxation). The urgency of choosing peace and survival over destruction is stressed. 
[34:32] Historical Context of War and Peace
War is attributed to human nature evolved from fighting animals, but peace is a learned behavior. The Urantia Book is presented as the divine tool to teach truth and peace, counteracting centuries of division and conflict. The creator’s love extends unconditionally to all, including atheists and those opposed to God, underscoring the universal potential for redemption and transformation.- [37:32] Call to Action and Civic Responsibility
The speakers reference the Declaration of Independence to remind listeners of their rights and duties to resist tyranny and institute just governance. The current government is described as de facto rather than legitimate, implying a need for awakening and action grounded in truth and spiritual awareness. - [39:01] Practical Steps: Prayer, Golden Rule, and Family Consciousness
Individual action includes prayer for peace, embodying the golden rule, and recognizing humanity as an extended family of God’s children. Spiritual pressure from collective goodwill can influence visible realities and help manifest peace. The family metaphor deepens the sense of connection beyond mere neighborliness to universal brotherhood and sisterhood. - [40:21] Potential for Rapid Global Transformation
The speakers express optimism that global peace and spiritual awakening could occur quickly if truthful information were made widely accessible through communication systems. Control and dissemination of knowledge are seen as pivotal factors in the speed and success of this transformation. - [41:18] How to Approach Reading The Urantia Book
Given its vastness and complexity, it is recommended that readers use the index to find topics of personal interest. The book’s four parts cover cosmic, universal, planetary, and Jesus-centered revelations. Readers can start anywhere, and guidance is available from experienced students who have studied the book for decades. - [44:56] Personal Commitment and Frustrations
The speaker’s concern and frustration stem from deep love for humanity and a desire to alleviate suffering caused by ignorance and injustice. This emotional investment underscores the urgency and importance of spreading the book’s teachings. - [46:03] Jesus’ Birthday and Continuing Engagement
A note is made of Jesus’ human birthday as August 21, 7 B.C., celebrated as the 2020th birthday in 2020. While Jesus is no longer physically present, his spirit—the Prince of Peace—remains active within individuals. The invitation is extended to join in exploration of The Urantia Book, engage with the community, and continue the dialogue through upcoming forums and live shows. - [46:52] Closing Remarks and Invitations for Interaction
The session closes with gratitude for participation, encouragement to submit questions, and anticipation of future discussions. The overall tone is one of hopeful engagement, aiming to deepen understanding and promote peace through knowledge and spiritual growth.
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When was it put into form? Mid-30s, 1930s? It came into existence in 1934 and 1935. It wasn’t released to the public until 1955. Oh, I see. So it’s a big book. And who is it written by? The book is written by a number of authors, all of whom are superhuman beings.
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that constitute the truth-revealing commission that came to our planet in 1934 and 35 and presented these 196 papers that consist of the Orangibook to the human race. It’s a gift from God. It has 196 papers. A divine counselor is one of the authors.
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a perfecter of wisdom a mighty messenger one high in authority a chief of archangels a brilliant evening star a Melchizedek these are all different orders of beings that make up this truth revealing commission that presented all these revelations now we’re going to go into it more but I would say if I were going to
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focus on what this is. There are four books. It’s broken into four little sections. Four parts. Four parts. And each one by itself is a ton of information. To our most usual audience that we seem to have been attracting, oh, in this Western Christendom, Jesus has been a big focus. And in this book too, Jesus…
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is quite prominent and you know depending on where we start in conversation. Some of you already know that from reading the book with Jim and asking questions that Jesus was and is the what? The Prince of Peace. He’s the Prince of Peace. He’s the sovereign creator of our universe. He was the sovereign creator of our universe before he became the Prince of Peace.
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And the name of Jesus is the name he used while on earth? Joshua Ben Joseph was his given name as a male boy. I see. And he was conceived and arrived in Mary, right? Joseph and Mary? Yeah. Was he an immaculate conception?
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No, there was no immaculate conception. No such thing as an immaculate conception. Jesus was born into the world in every way just like we are, like we were. That story that he was of immaculate conception was a made-up story. It’s another one of the false facts that has come down through Christianity in the last couple thousand years. I would say, you know, I grew up Jewish, but to me…
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quite out of sorts. Out of sync. And, you know, I’ve heard Christians talk about how the Jews killed Jesus, you know, that he put him in front of the Romans and all this stuff. To me, all that is history, and it’s good history, and I know that what I like about this book is it really, the fourth part of this, gets into more depth about
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What I like is it really shares about who Jesus was, and I feel much more comfortable reading what he was about and what he was preaching from here. Somehow I feel more comfortable with Jesus as a real person through reading this. Well, the real story of the real life of Jesus, he is not only a real person, the most ideal person ever walked on the planet.
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He was the creator of our universe incarnate as a human being. Now, this only happens once in 10 million worlds in each of these local universes that ours is one of and he is the creator of. So, it’s quite a unique experience for any planet in any part of the universe to have the creator of their universe bestow himself as one of them
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amongst themselves. And so like this is what Jesus did a couple thousand years ago. Many times when I hear people that have talked about the Urantia book, they are a little uncomfortable when they realize that this world, the earth, Urantia, is not unique. And that
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the creation of life on this world, and this was somehow the only place in the universe where life was created. Kind of high and mighty of them in thinking that. This is just because we don’t know the history of our world. I mean, it’s impossible to know, it’s impossible to understand today’s world without an understanding of a very specific event that took place on our world a couple hundred thousand years ago.
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Namely, it was a planetary rebellion of the spiritual ruler of our world against the law of the universe and the will of God. And as a consequence of our planetary prince betraying the trust of the world, our world along with 36 others were quarantined and all the communications
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Links between worlds and other worlds were severed, and we’ve been in isolated existence and quarantine for the last 200,000 years. Now, when Jesus came here as a human being, one of his missions, one of the things he had to do while he was here was to bring an end to the Lucifer rebellion on the spiritual level. And he did that. And as a consequence, the case of Gabriel versus Lucifer is pending in the higher courts of our super universe.
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and today we’ve got the spirit of truth in us we have the will of God within us and all this is a consequence of the life that Jesus lived on this world while he was here as a human being well he lived here and he died and now as a human being he died and
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His spiritual essence… His personality and his spirit are the same as they have always been. And still exist in the spiritual plane. Yes. Is there much conversation about communication from the spiritual plane to the physical plane? And how… I mean, that’s always to me a gray area. How to communicate.
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Well, we’re communicating with the invisible at the moment. At the same time, we’re communicating with the visible. As we sit here talking to one another, we’re talking to God. Jesus is now known as Michael. Michael is the name of our creator, father, the sovereign creator of our universe. He’s known as Michael of Nebadon. And Nebadon is the name of our
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universe. So this is like geography on a larger, deeper level. So like just a matter of getting acquainted with new terms and getting acquainted with the depth and breadth of space and the fact that we are all part of a very friendly inhabited universe. Okay. I think that what you said is it’s important not to
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have people feel diminished. People that believe in Jesus, they can still believe in Jesus, can’t they? This is really not in any way negating what they’re doing, is it? It’s not negating anything. It’s adding to what they’ve already got, enriching it, ennobling it, and adding substance that they’ve never heard nor seen to it. Well, to me that would be…
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I mean, as a Jew, I feel that’s exciting because it makes Jesus more available and approachable as a man. His spiritual essence and what he was and what he is, I don’t feel in conflict with it. His spirit of truth is in us. It’s part of our birthright. His spirit of truth is the living presence of the Prince of Peace, the sovereign creator of our universe.
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So would you say it’s fair to say that whether or not our audience, anyone or any of us, believe that Jesus was anything, that living by the principles that he was living and embracing a lifestyle based on what he taught is a really beautiful foundation for peace.
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Well, peace is based on fact. Peace is a spiritual truth that’s based on a physical fact that comes from the Creator of our universe. The peace that we experience in our lives is our direct connection to the Prince of Peace. That’s where peace comes from. Like truth comes from the source of truth.
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And facts come from the source of facts. So it’s a matter of getting acquainted with the facts and the meanings and the values of life because it’s a big universe and there’s a lot to learn and there’s a lot of fun. We were looking yesterday and talking and you were sharing with me a time when after Jesus died,
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was put up on a cross and was then seen again numbers of times, which I found that very, not only interesting, it was interesting to see that there’s so much more full of a story than I’ve been able to get from reading the Bible. I won’t say the Christian Bible, but I don’t know if that’s the right words to use. We’re in the Christian world.
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paradigm, right? Well, it’s Christian, Muslim, Judaic, Judaic, Judaic paradigm. These are the three major
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Maybe there’s a lot more. There’s a lot more religions. But all of the diverse religions in today’s world are manifestations of the fact that Jesus was not accepted as the creator of our universe like he should have been. And because he was not accepted and his teachings weren’t given to the people who were supposed to bring them to the people of the world, we’re in a world of spiritual darkness where everybody’s divided. We’re…
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The world is about as spiritually divided as it could possibly get as a consequence of the last 2,000 years of people not knowing what the true facts really are about Jesus and what he taught and the way he lived on the world. We’ve got just a hint of the whole story. And it’s a sad shame to me that the Bible…
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teaches the people who read it that they shouldn’t accept any knowledge beyond the borders of the books of the Bible. And that’s one of the biggest problems of the Bible. It teaches people not to want to find something new. And this is the newest thing on earth, the details about God and Jesus, like nothing has ever been revealed on our world before.
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Well, I don’t understand when you say that they’re instructed not to go further than… Does it say it in the book itself? No. The book of Revelations. In the book of Revelations, their interpretation… I can’t quote it because I don’t remember. Sure, that’s all right. But their interpretation of what it says is that beware anything that comes from elsewhere.
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anywhere that comes from elsewhere that talks about the things that are in the Bible because they believe it’s a false teaching. Why would someone be afraid of the truth? Well, as I’m reading it, it doesn’t, it’s not any different than the Bible except it’s in more depth. It’s like having something that gives more shades of color.
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and describes things in more detail part three enhances part three of this book is the history of our world and it details how the bible came into existence everything about the bible that you could ever possibly want to know is in part three of this book and what whatever the new testament has about jesus you have everything that there’s in the new testament in a in thousands of percent more
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In part four of this book. And it’s not like teachings that are in any way contrary to what I’ve seen Christians talk about Jesus. It just really, like I say, it gives more color and more form to it. I would think that would be a welcome, welcome.
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It’s like having a script to the movie of his life. And any Christian who loves Jesus and doesn’t want to have anything to do with discovering what he has made available, the Prince of Peace has made this book available to the people of this world. And the Christians need it now more than ever in their existence because it’s a matter of life and death for them and this planet as a matter of fact.
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Do you guys understand that? I mean, I imagine some of you do. We’re going to be… It’s fact versus fiction. Well, I have… Survival versus extinction. That’s fairly big. That’s where it’s at. That’s where we’re at in today’s world, skating on thin ice. So what would happen if people…
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embrace this book and took the knowledge in. It would still take their actions, the living, to me that’s the essence, living as Jesus lived. It would contribute to their spiritual transformation as human beings. As a human being, we’re more than just physical. We’re mindal, we’re spiritual, and we’re personal.
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And we have a source of reality, an absolute source for every part of our existence. And this book explains it all magnificently. It’s here to bring us together and unite us as a family of sons and daughters of God. We’re all sons and daughters of God. And it’s one big world family. And this book can help us integrate ourselves into the family of all mankind righteously and peacefully.
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Well, that sounds like a good dream. So it seems like a good dream that’s easily understood. And you’re saying it’s a dream. It’s not a dream. It’s a reality. It’s a way that we can actually physically come upon agreement and peace. Would it be fair to say that most wars have happened
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through people feeling there’s a lack and that there’s not enough. And I am constantly wondering what it is that makes people want to continually fight and separate. Well, the struggle for life on this world has been about land.
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And the land-man ratio and the land issue is the basic thing underlying all civilizations. So this struggle for land has been translated into a struggle for global dominion on the part of a few people who see themselves as specifically chosen by God to
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have dominion over the natural resources and the people and the nations of the world. So like, in order to attain the goal that was set in 1897 by the World Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland, every war from 1897 on has been
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created has been a matter of the outworking of the will of the people who wanted to attain global dominion over the rest of the world. And that was basically, it seems, just based on greed. That’s all it is. Greed, power, and misbelief. The whole thing has to do with believing a false fact.
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We can believe true facts and false facts. A false fact is a Santa Claus story. Santa Claus is a false fact. Of all things. But in the course of our lifetime…
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We’re going to be discovering that we’ve been taught a lot of things that are supposed to be true and they’re not. This is part of the disillusionment that every individual goes through in the course of his life. We have to discover the fact that our mom and dad lied to us when they taught us about Santa Claus. The Sunday school teachers lied to us when they taught that God created the heavens and the earth in a week.
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and that Noah was the only survivor of the human race in the worldwide flood. All these are examples of false facts. And because we believe a mixture, our minds are befogged and befuddled because we just don’t… Given all the facts, you can understand everything.
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But when you slip belief in with all these different facts and you’ve got 50% beliefs and 50% facts, it’s a mixed bag. And you can’t see clearly because your mind is filled with false facts and true facts. And you cannot help but be confused because of the outlook on life through befogged vision. When I hear you talk…
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it reminds me that you come from a scientific logic background and direction. And so when I think of you as a man of religion, to me that’s an interesting combination because
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You logically arrived there. I’m religious because I’m scientific. Science deals with facts. The word science simply means knowledge. And knowledge deals with facts. The more facts you know, the more truth will be revealed to you. If you get a lot of true facts, you’ll be given a lot of truth that goes with each of the facts.
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would it be appropriate to find the section where Jesus talks about peace does he talk about peace specifically or he just talks about a way of living and treating each other and everything that creates peace well one thing he said he didn’t come to bring peace he said think not that I came to bring peace there will be war
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and rumors of wars. So as the Prince of Peace, he wasn’t coming here to establish peace on Earth and goodwill among all men. He came to establish the foundation for it, what he called the infrastructure, so to speak.
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that would lead up to the phenomena of personal peace and world peace for everybody in the world, only it would be on a natural, progressive evolutionary level. The outworking of progressive evolutionary choices by the people of the planet.
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So his arrival, and like you said, some people didn’t recognize who and what he was talking about, and now we’re here 2,000 or so years later. What do you see or expect is happening now that is driving things toward this great awakening?
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Well, there’s a great need for it, for one thing. I mean, many people have no idea that God has given us, amongst everything else, the incredible power of free will choice. And the freedom to choose is underneath all good and all evil. Everything is a matter of choice, whether it’s a good choice or an evil choice, a sinful choice or a righteous choice. Everything is a matter of choice.
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And willpower is God-power, and we’re sons and daughters of God. The book teaches that what the people of the world need most to know is that we’re all sons and daughters of God. And through simple faith, everybody can realize and daily experience this and know the truth.
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Once we know ourselves for what we are and who we are, we’re sons and daughters of God. Who’s God? God’s the creator of our universe. He’s the source of everything in our universe, everything in infinity. And we’re direct sons of the infinite Father of every person in infinity. So this should uplift everybody’s self-respect to the maximum level possible.
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I mean, it’s our cosmic identity. So when the Christians talk about the only way to the Father is through me, what does that mean? Is there any reference to anything like that? Oh, of course. No question about it. It’s like, if you take a human anatomy lesson, so to speak,
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You see the visible human beings, our physical body. You don’t see the mind in the person. You don’t see the spirit in the person. And you don’t see the personality of the person. We’re looking at four dimensions of reality. Personality, spirit, mind, and physicality.
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matter. Those are four different dimensions of reality. You know, every time the phone rings, there was another question, you know? One of your fellow viewers just called, and we’re going to talk about his subject next. We’ll read about that, in fact. He was asking about a thought adjuster. What is a thought adjuster?
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Is now a good time to talk about it? Should we jump? It’s always a good time to talk about thought adjusters. A thought adjuster is God within each of us. The name that is given to the fragment of the spirit of God within us is a fragment of his will. The thought adjuster is the will of God in each of us. Is the thought adjuster the spirit of truth? No, the thought adjuster is not the spirit of truth. That’s a separate entity.
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I see. It works in harmony with and as one with the thought adjuster. Oh, now, we were talking about the Christians saying you can only get to the Father through the Son. Yeah, yeah. And as we go inward in ourselves, within ourselves, as we go inward, as a person, we’re in our mind. We’re sitting in our mind. And we can look.
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reality, which is a natural thing we do every day, and with our mind, and in our mind we can look spiritward. It’s like looking inward, because the spirit of the will of God, the thought adjuster, is within our mind, and our mind is within our human presence. It’s not within an organ. It’s a circuit. Our mind is like a circuit.
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Our mind has a source, just like our body has a source. The source of our body is our physical parents, our mom and dad. The source of our spirit of truth is the creator of our universe. The will of God, the source of the will of God is our paradise father, the infinite and universal father of everybody on paradise.
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So, like you say, our physical presence was from our parents. Our mindal presence is from our mother. Our creator mother. Our creator mother. And the spirit of truth is from our creator father. And whether we get this and understand where it came from or not, would it be fair to say that living…
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living in truth and living with principles that were shared with us and are shared with us here are the most important thing whether someone reads the whole book and knows the history of where they came from the essence of the spirit of truth as it relates to the most important fact which is we’re all sons and daughters of god we’re we’re relation we
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All of us should find that to mean driving toward peace and giving and acceptance and loving and sharing. Being more God-like. Right? If we’re sons and daughters of God, it seems natural that we should sooner or later become increasingly God-like. So where does the fight come from? The fight comes from…
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our natural born ignorance, plus the fact of free will. The fact and the meaning and the value and the source of free will. Free will is the root of all of the problems and all of the discoveries, all of the positives and all of the negatives of life. Free will choice.
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You can make the right choice or the wrong choice. You can follow the right choice as far as you can take it, which will take you to the kingdom of heaven. And you can follow the wrong choices and it will take you as far as they can take, which is, oh, the wages of sin is death.
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So cosmic suicide is possible just like human suicide is possible. If you go so far and do so much against the will of God and the laws of the universe that the will of God leaves your presence, you’re like a dead human being. And so this is the inevitable consequence of the misuse and abuse of one’s free will to the point you commit cosmic suicide as a human being and don’t even know it.
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So, I’m going to kind of drive us back to the book, because I think people have asked me a couple of times, you know, we do questions, but if I were going to look for a source in this book to really help enhance understanding about, what was I saying, everyone must go through me, that, and also, so Thought Adjuster,
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in all of us, which is a spark and a fragment of God. It is God. The phone adjuster is the presence of God. The will of God is like the equivalent to the sperm of man, so to speak. The will of God is the source of everything that comes from any personality who draws on and uses willpower.
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is personality you can’t separate the two well you can our thought adjusters are pre-personal just like our sperm is pre-personal pre-physical okay so we have a free choice
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If we were to be reading this, if people were reading this, it would help enhance their understanding of principles of, quote, good living? Well, Jesus taught that you reap what you sow. The fact that you reap what you sow means that you get just what you choose. You’re a will creature at base level.
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We think, we talk, we act, we react, and we analyze the consequences of the use and the misuse of all this incredible power that God has given us. We have the freedom to go the right way or the wrong way. The consequence of that is what’s divided the world today. There are two major groups of people in the world from God’s view, those who know him and those who don’t.
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Those who want to do his will and those who don’t. And these two groups of humanity are going in equal and opposite directions. And we’re heading toward heaven on earth. And we’ve already got hell on earth because it’s been created over the last hundred years in every war that we’ve had. War is hell. And hell is a man-made production. And it’s real. It’s not
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200 million, over 200 million people have died as a consequence of this group of humanity going in equal and opposite directions. And the ones going the wrong way have been using every one of us going the right way. Every one of us has to
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pay taxes that fuels the fire of the lust for global dominion. And until people become aware of the fact of what’s really going on in our world and stop paying taxes, hey, we’re going to continue to go toward world peace and group extinction. So it’s up to you folks. You want world peace and group survival or
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World War and group extension, because they’re both matters of free will choice. And we’re skating on very thin ice that separates the two of these great, incredible realities. So what do we do now? I mean, we can cite conflicts all over the world that are happening. How do we… Do we have to let these things go their course? Do we intervene and try to stop the killing first? Or…
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Where do we and how do we instill this knowledge in the people? Is it a quick process? We’re suffering the consequences of over a hundred years of the victimization of the people of the world by a minority of people who want to dominate the majority. There were wars before that, right? Well, there were wars, but they weren’t for the same purpose.
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There’s been wars ever since man’s been on earth. We’re born from fighting animals. Man evolved from fighting animals. Fighting is man’s natural thing. Peace isn’t. We have to learn peace. We have to learn there’s something better than just might makes right. Much more than might makes right. Truth and fact is what makes right.
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truth and the facts separated from the fiction and the lies we’re going to have a very divided world it’s inevitable this book is given to us by the creator of our universe so that we can survive as members of his family and enjoy what God has made available to every one of us he loves every one of us whether we’re against him or for him
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He loves each of us with an infinite love, whether we’re friendly toward him or don’t believe in him. I was an atheist most of my life, but God didn’t give up on me. In fact, he saved me from the end of my life, which would have existed, would have gone out of existence if I had not been saved by discipleship.
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Discovering the truth that there is a God as a scientist and so like as a scientist I changed my mind I went from thinking there is no God I went from believing there is no God to Knowing God once you know somebody it’s not a matter of belief. You know them and I know God It’s not a matter of believing in God. I was an atheist I was arguing with anybody in
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everybody that there is no God. And look at where that faction has brought the rest of the world. I left the people in the world who are believing like that. All the atheists that I worked with down at the Nevada test site in the years I was on the nuclear weapons testing frontier were all atheists. The president of the United States is an atheist. Most of the United States government people are all atheists.
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And the fact that they don’t do what God wants them to do, they’re doing to other people all over the world what they would never want done to themselves, thinking it’s the right thing to do. And that’s pretty crazy. And that’s pretty dangerous. And when you stop to think about it, hey, what can you do about it?
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The Declaration of Independence says after a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce the people under absolute despotism, it is not only their right, it is their duty to throw off such government and to institute
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new guards for their future security that’s what the Declaration of Independence says the very first of all of the defined rights of the American people is right there on the front page of the Declaration of Independence and they don’t want you to know about it because you might exercise that right you have the right to do so and you’ve got it it’s a matter of choice
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We have, the U.S. government is a de facto government. It’s not the Desiree government. It’s not the legitimate government. The U.S. government, the legitimate, if there ever was a legitimate U.S. government, it has been overthrown and the de facto government in its place is in charge. It’s that simple.
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It’s a lot for people to swallow or know what to do. What can people do as individuals? Hey, pray for peace on earth and goodwill among men because that puts spiritual pressure on the system. That is appealing to the invisible powers of the universe to help us help ourselves do what we need to do to make it the way it ought to be.
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We’re all equipped to recognize the fact, the meaning, the value, the fact, the law, and the love of God. And if we get in sync, hey, the golden rule hasn’t gone out of existence. People who don’t live the golden rule can live it. You can always do to somebody else what you would want them to do to you. That’s what it’s all about. Loving one another. Helping one another. Serving one another.
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It’s a family affair. It’s not, hey, neighbors. We’re all brothers and sisters. The neighbors of everybody, every neighbor on the planet is a son or daughter of God. It’s a family affair, much deeper than a neighborhood. Well, you know, you brought up free will and free choice and
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So often I feel people don’t take the responsibility for leaving a good wake, if you will. They’re living for themselves. They talk about living for the future generations, but even in that, themselves, they feel even in their offspring, a separation. So is that going to be something that we hope to see achieved?
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How quickly can that realistically disappear? It could happen overnight if we had access to the global communication systems and people that were interested in control of those communication systems, wanting the truth to be known by the people so we could have world peace. So what do we do? We’re putting information out like this and directing people to more facts in a Urantia book.
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Yeah, well, the Arantia book is like a lifesaver that’s been thrown to the planet. It’s more than a lifesaver. It’s a lifeboat. It’s got everything in it that’s needed for the survival of the individual and the entire human race. And that’s all about knowledge and understanding. It’s not difficult to understand everything going on in our world.
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once you know the facts of life. Enough of the facts of life. I mean, we’re born 100% ignorant of every fact in existence. What do you think is a good way for people to start reading this book? You’ve come to… What paper is that? That is paper 194. The Stone of the Spirit of Truth. Where would you recommend…
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if there’s such a thing, for how and where would people jump into this? Because there’s a lot to jump into and not really know where to begin. Well, you can always look at the index. There’s 196 papers or chapters. Just by looking at the titles of these papers in this index of papers,
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experience. Just the titles of the papers and the authors of the papers. It’s a major revelation in itself. So you have the titles of 31 papers in part one. Part one deals with the central universe and the super universes.
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and where God exists in paradise. And part two deals with the local universe, where we are out in space, out on the Milky Way galaxy, out on the edge of the Milky Way galaxy, is our local universe. And we’re part of the whole Milky Way galactic system, which is made up of 100,000 local universes.
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so then part three is the history of our world which is phenomenal everything about the origin of our planet it goes back 987 billion years which is farther than any stretch of imagination the leading edge of science has today so this takes you way beyond the frontiers of science and deep into the frontier of intellectual and spiritual reality on a cosmic level
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So like the history of our world makes everything about our world understandable. The whole story of the planetary rebellion on our world. That’s in section 3? That’s in section 3. That’s a must read to understand today’s world. And part 4 is the life and teachings of Jesus, which is a major epical revelation of everything that he said and did on our world.
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All the details of his life, his family life, his travels. So one could jump in where their interest from reading the titles. Anywhere. Just open it anywhere and you’ll find something anywhere. And I bet you’re available to them for helping guide them, right? You’ve been doing that now. How long have you studied? 44 years? 44 years. I’ve had the pleasure of sharing this with everybody I could. Well, you know, I’ve met your kids and they are…
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Incredibly happy, peaceful, loving, giving. Good job. Thank you. You know, sometimes I sense your anger. Your anger isn’t really anger to me. It seems like frustration. Well, it’s concern. It’s deep concern for my fellow man. And it comes from a deep understanding of my fellow man and the truth and the facts of the story of the human race.
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I love myself and everybody on this world with the supreme love as much as possible. What is frustrating, what I don’t like, what I dislike is all the negative quality consequences that are inhibiting man and prohibiting man from having a better life.
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Well, thank you for doing your part. We’ll do more questions and answers. Please keep the questions coming and your comments. You’re going to soon see a Facebook page, which is going to make it easier, I think, for you to be submitting questions so we can deal with them until we start doing a live call-in talk show. But I think combination is a good way to do it.
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Yeah, for sure. No question. One thing, one other thing I wanted to mention. August 21st is Jesus’ birthday. The birthday of the human Jesus was August 21st in the year 7 B.C.
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And we’re going to have a little birthday party on Maliko Gulch on that day. So you’re all invited to the 2020th birthday of the human Jesus. If Jesus were alive today, he’d be 2,020 years old on August 21st. He’d be a wrinkled guy. He’s not alive as a human being, but he is alive as the Prince of Peace. And his spirit is in you, and you can enjoy his birthday with him August 21st.
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And no matter what year, we don’t know if you’ll be seeing this before or after, but jump into the Arantia book and dig in and please enjoy and start to take it personally. And this has really been a great revelation for me.
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And I hope to keep exploring because I know I get a lot of comments from people that see me really appreciating these times that we’re spending. And we want your input. We want your questions. And we look forward to sharing more with you again. Thank you again, Jim, for doing this with us. Thanks for having me. Thanks for participating. It’s been a great pleasure working with you. Thank you. Much aloha. Aloha.
