WATER FROM AIR – TED BOWMAN – TSUNAMI

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Jason Schwartz explores the world of Self Sustainability… TED BOWMAN… has a mechanical engineering background and has incredible Water From Air units for households and industry, Climate controlled greenhouses, housing solutions…MUCH more! great conversation- a lot for listeners to hear about and be involved. http://TsunamiProducts.com ..     9-23-2019

1. 1. 1. “The Neutral Zone” with Guest Ted Bowman on Self-Sustainability and Water-from-Air Technologies

1. 1. 1. 1. [00:01 → 03:50] Introduction and Overview of Water-from-Air Technology

• Host Jason Schwartz welcomes viewers to “The Neutral Zone” on Maui’s Kakū 88.5 FM, introducing Ted Bowman, founder of Tsunami Products, a company specializing in innovative water-from-air machines.
• Ted Bowman explains the concept: machines that condense moisture from the atmosphere to produce pure water.
• This technology builds on refrigeration principles, capturing water vapor from the air and filtering impurities to provide clean, sustainable water.
• The machines come in various sizes (small, medium, large), producing from a few gallons per hour up to hundreds of gallons per day, adaptable for home use or larger community needs.
• Ted highlights the advantage that climate change has increased atmospheric moisture, improving the machines’ efficiency, especially in tropical environments like Maui.

1. 1. 1. 1. [03:50 → 07:37] Machine Capacity, Applications, and Energy Considerations

• Ted details specific models: the “500” unit produces about 4 gallons per hour and is suitable for residential use, while larger “1,000” units serve bigger needs like military or humanitarian relief.
• The machines can be powered by grid electricity, generators, or solar energy, with smaller units more feasible for solar integration.
• While larger units require substantial power and are less suited to solar, the smaller units enable self-sustainability by providing clean water independently from centralized systems.
• Discussion includes the affordability and cost-effectiveness of these units, with the 500 model priced around $14,500, and the possibility of financing water machines as part of home mortgages.

1. 1. 1. 1. [07:37 → 10:24] Integration with Agricultural Systems and Greenhouse Applications

• Ted explains a complementary product: the Regenerative Humidification (RDH) system designed for greenhouses.
• This system extracts and recycles moisture inside greenhouses, providing water for irrigation and controlling internal climate by cooling the air, which reduces risks from heat stress and pathogens.
• This innovation enhances plant health and productivity by maintaining a purified, stable environment, reducing the need for ventilation that might introduce diseases.
• Ted also mentions applications in livestock feed production, using sprouted seeds and fodder to create nutritious animal feed in small spaces, contributing to self-sustainability.

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            [10:24 → 15:03] Vision of Self-Sustainability and Dome Structures for Agriculture and Housing

• Jason and Ted discuss the broader vision of self-sustainability on Maui, linking renewable energy, water-from-air technologies, and innovative agricultural systems.
• Ted shares his experience living in East Africa and how similar technologies used there can be adapted on Maui, given the island’s infrastructure and resources.
• They introduce the concept of monolithic dome structures—hurricane-proof, fireproof, and tornado-resistant domes that can serve as greenhouses or homes.
• These domes are affordable (around $150 per square foot), durable, and scalable, offering efficient use of land and protection from weather extremes.
• Such structures could enable families or communities to produce food, water, and energy locally, reducing dependency on external resources and preserving open land.

1. 1. 1. 1. [15:03 → 24:36] Addressing Maui’s Agricultural and Water Challenges with Integrated Solutions

• Ted emphasizes the opportunity presented by Maui’s evolving agricultural landscape after the sugar industry’s decline, describing it as a chance to rebuild sustainable systems.
• He explains that while the cost of producing water from air depends on local electricity rates, larger machines tend to be more efficient.
• The conversation highlights the need for mindset change, education, and collaboration among local stakeholders to implement these technologies effectively.
• Ted stresses that many problems on Maui resemble those in developing countries, but the island has the advantage of existing infrastructure and more financial resources.
• The goal is to bridge the gap between technology solutions and local needs, enabling practical, affordable self-sustainability without reliance on large external investments.

1. 1. 1. 1. [24:36 → 36:08] Scaling Self-Sustainability: From Family Units to Larger Developments

• Ted describes how a single dome greenhouse can produce as much as 10-15 acres of conventional farmland, significantly increasing land-use efficiency.
• This intensification allows small-scale farmers or families to grow substantial amounts of food on limited land, protected from pests and weather.
• The discussion touches on the slow adoption of such technologies due to their novelty and the traditional mindset of farming.
• Jason and Ted explore the financial feasibility, noting that landowners can secure financing to develop self-sustaining housing and agricultural units, leveraging existing capital and credit systems.
• The vision includes modular, connected domes or greenhouses that maintain privacy yet share infrastructure for power, water, and waste management.

1. 1. 1. 1. [36:08 → 44:29] Community Impact and Economic Potential

• Ted outlines the potential for local job creation, youth engagement, and revitalizing agriculture as an appealing career.
• He references the large-scale agricultural projects by companies like Mahi Pono, suggesting that decentralized, small-scale self-sustainability can complement and diversify the food system.
• The conversation stresses the importance of local desire and initiative, contrasting with past aid efforts in Africa that failed due to lack of community engagement.
• Self-sustainability is framed not just as survival but as economic empowerment, enabling families to generate income by selling surplus produce.
• The integration of water-from-air technology with renewable energy and innovative farming practices creates a replicable model for Maui and beyond.

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            Maui Neutral Zone experts discuss emergency readiness tips and community safety.

            [44:29 → 50:38] Agricultural Innovations: Sprouted Fodder and Portable Farming Systems

• Ted introduces a sprouted fodder production system, which efficiently converts seeds into nutrient-rich animal feed within seven days.
• This system can produce the equivalent volume of feed from 3–4 acres of pasture in a small indoor area (6×9 feet), dramatically reducing land requirements.
• The fodder system recycles moisture and optimizes growing conditions, allowing year-round feed production even in drought conditions.
• Such technology supports diversified livestock farming on small parcels, enhancing food security and reducing reliance on large-scale farming.
• Ted also highlights the portability of these systems, which can be moved on trailers and set up quickly, offering flexibility for different farm sizes and locations.

1. 1. 1. 1. [50:38 → 56:41] Affordable Housing, Off-Grid Living, and Future Plans

• Ted discusses plans to integrate water-from-air machines into tiny homes, enabling fully off-grid living with self-produced water and power from solar or wind.
• These homes could be marketed for under $60,000, making sustainable living affordable and accessible.
• He mentions ongoing collaborations with local partners like Peter Higa to bring these innovations to market, focusing on practical, scalable solutions.
• The conversation touches on efficient gas-powered generators and other energy innovations that reduce power consumption.
• Ted shares plans to expand distribution of bottled water produced from air, emphasizing local production, competitive pricing, and sustainable recycling systems for plastic bottles.
• The approach prioritizes community education, engagement, and creating local economic loops.

1. 1. 1. 1. [56:41 → 01:00:00] Closing Thoughts and Invitation for Further Engagement

• Ted highlights the potential for high-density fish farming (e.g., catfish) as another component of integrated sustainable food production.
• These systems require minimal space and inputs and can complement greenhouse and fodder production.
• Jason praises Ted’s comprehensive knowledge and innovative approach, encouraging viewers to explore Tsunami Products and Kalani Water for more information.
• Ted invites the community to engage, learn, and participate in building Maui’s self-sustainability future.
• The show closes with thanks to supporters and information on where to find the program online and on social media.

1. 1. 1. Key Takeaways

• Water-from-air technology is a viable, scalable solution for clean water production, adaptable from individual homes to large communities.
• Regenerative humidification systems improve greenhouse productivity and climate control, reducing disease and heat stress.
• Monolithic dome structures offer durable, hurricane-proof housing and farming systems, maximizing land efficiency and resilience.
• Self-sustainability models integrate water, energy, food, and housing, fostering local economic empowerment and environmental resilience.
• Sprouted fodder systems enable high-yield animal feed production on minimal land, supporting diversified farming.
• Maui presents unique opportunities for implementing these technologies due to its infrastructure, climate, and community interest.
• Education, local engagement, and collaboration are critical for adoption and success.

1. 1. 1. Keywords

Water from air, self-sustainability, Tsunami Products, regenerative humidification, greenhouse technology, monolithic domes, sprouted fodder, off-grid living, renewable energy, Maui agriculture, portable farming, sustainable housing, decentralized water system, food security, climate resilience.

1. 1. 1. FAQ

Q: How much water can these machines produce?
A: Small units produce about 4 gallons per hour; larger units can produce hundreds of gallons per day depending on size and humidity.

Q: Can these machines run on solar power?
A: Yes, smaller units are designed to operate on solar or grid power; larger units require more energy and typically run on generators or grid power.

Q: What is a monolithic dome, and why is it used?
A: It’s a highly durable, hurricane- and fire-resistant dome structure used for housing and greenhouse applications, offering long-term protection and energy efficiency.

Q: Is sprouted fodder production practical for small farmers?
A: Yes, it allows high-volume, year-round animal feed production in a small footprint, reducing land needs and increasing productivity.

Q: How affordable are these technologies for Maui residents?
A: Water machines start around $14,500; integrated tiny homes with water and power systems may be under $60,000, aiming for cost-effective self-sustainability.

This comprehensive summary encapsulates the core discussions and innovations presented by Ted Bowman on “The Neutral Zone,” illustrating promising pathways toward sustainable living and agriculture on Maui and similar environments.

Transcript

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hello ha good morning everyone it’s Monday at 11 o’clock we’re the neutral zone welcome to our show we are happy to be here we have a terrific asset ISA please stay tuned [Music] [Music] watch his hand [Music] please good morning everyone I’m Jason Schwartz and this is the neutral zone Maui neutral zone calm you can go to Facebook kak u FM radio you can go to Maui neutral zone calm tomorrow see this show and all the rest of our shows we’ve got some great guests we have a terrific

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guest today I’m staring them in the face if you’re watching on on afterward you can see we’re on Facebook live also and so we put this and put it up on ikkaku TV we’re everywhere we’re showing off our great radio station the voice of Maui kak you 88.5 FM and we have a guest that is really probably one of the most important people he doesn’t know this so I’m surprising him that I’ve met on my journey to an understanding that self-sustainability is not only a possibility but is a reality right now

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Ted Bowman welcome to our show thanks Jason I really appreciate it being here you’re I met you because there was some email that said there’s water from air and I went up to Kula in here in Maui and out there I saw this machine and I saw it creating water and I saw you showing people the difference and all kinds of things and I thought wow this is really interesting and I took my little video had fun but it really intrigued me and then Vince Mina who’s a friend it was the Hawaii farmers guy they had a an

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event going on and this unit was going to be there and Ted was gonna be this is Ted Bowman and he was up there and I went to see him and I just suddenly realized when we spoke a couple of times ted has a company called tsunami products and you have water from air machines I’ve called it simply that which means the atmosphere has moisture that can be condensed then everything we all knew that when we were little kids in different ways well now it’s really been perfected tell us more about the basic lineup because I

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know you have small medium large and that’s just step one in this so watch I’ll show you about self-sustainability as we go because this was an innocent pretty innocent we talk about water problem here’s why don’t we just grab it from the air and as I learned okay the cost doing it whatever so you’ll see as we go but um you’re gonna have to jump in because I can keep talking well tell me more about your units well the water from air principle has been around for quite a while ever since refrigeration

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has been in a little closer if ever since refrigeration have been out there the problem is with refrigeration is water but we’ve looked at that in other people too before us the actual water that’s created from an air conditioning system can be reused it’s just pure water right out of the air and given you know maybe smoke issues and stuff which can be filtered out but it represents a new way of thinking in the whole added the whole area of water that’s sustainable always going to be a

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moisture in the air in fact and I won’t go into the details of the climate change but with the climate change there’s actually more moisture in the air so what it does is it makes the machines more efficient per litre of production so we’re talking about you were talking about these machines what I saw in your demonstration which was small that was a unit that can do what a hundred gallons a day yeah we have what we call a 500 unit just for the sake of to about a 5-10 system a little bit more

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here on Maui exactly so for example in Washington State over in Eastern Washington where we’re actually have the plant we produce about four gallons an hour in the summer ninety degrees 80 degrees 90 degrees low moisture bring that same machine over here to Hawaii we produce about four gallons per hour for the same energy input you said it for there this gif excuse me two and a half gallons I’m concerned it’s gonna happen half for our other unit was the larger unit they’re what we call a 1,000 or

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splashing RDH and so these kind of number of gallons so someone wanted to have fresh water for drinking and cooking and everything they don’t really need to rely on a central system correct unless maybe they go to a larger unit and share it can they share it with families in a larger community can in fact I just came back from a demo trip down south where we were achieving about three times the volume that we actually do here even on on Maui what south south south we had one the one showing was down along the southern

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Gulf times the volume but that’s 12 so on a very moist atmosphere conditioner you can just bring water down so because it’s exponential in nature up to Tulsa if you or someone like let’s just say our new land owner of 40,000 acres and you’re having issues with water or you have you’re a homeowner or you’re looking to build things in you’re a builder you could use your kind of systems to put into a 30-year mortgage how much is one needs for the home the smaller the 500 I think is running

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about fourteen thousand five the five hundred is the model number but so the one that does the for about four gallons an hour that’s awesome those days and you can get bigger systems you guys were dropping and you talking about drops dropping them into military and other zone thing originally the unit’s we had developed the larger units were for humanitarian relief projects were the military or the government could drop these things in I see as a airlifted process with their generators and whatnot they’re not

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really the bigger ones they’re not really gonna work on solar because it takes an enormous amount of solar panels obviously but the smaller ones actually for the home unit this 500 that we developed was to run either grid power or generators or solar so yeah I hope you guys are you listening with me we can get water from the air generated through solar power we now know we can also have solar for electricity of course we’re all very energy conscious but even for the gluttons the ones that you put this into

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a 30-year mortgage it’s it’s immediately cost-effective right immediately so wha I guess that’s why you’re here the other piece that was so exciting when I met you not only are you really upstanding and I could tell I was involved in talking about HHO hydrogen and and I’m realizing that’s powerful but when I realize that all incorporates so naturally what you’re doing you can create water from air that means self-sustained Medical Systems can happen from this I mean I’m off on a

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tangent but in the very basic and we all can have decentralized water decentralized power and in a an area are you talking also about you have another product it’s extremely interesting guy company you have this thing with with produce well it’s all that about and and take me through that scenario well what we’re looking at one of the machines that we have it’s basically the acronym it’s RDH machine which is regenerative humidification process and so what that does is a unit goes inside of

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greenhouses and will pull the moisture out of the greenhouse and reuse that water can go straight into the plants again for irrigation or they can go through a fish system where they actually fertilize the water use it long term the benefit of these machines is you can not only produce the water that’s in the greenhouse you actually can control the climate because the discharge temperature of the air is very cool so high heat in greenhouses is a big problem so what they do is they typically open up vent systems which

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then potentially can bring in pathogens along the ground such as blight and issues like that different kinds of buyers known to the plants right by using our system that air is all purified coming into the greenhouse through the machine water comes out then that cold air that’s discharged will drop the temperature of the greenhouse thus eliminating the need for the ventilation so our whole engineer design is to make greenhouses more profitable by keeping the plant from you know have an issued

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virus of destruction so here I am I’m thinking again I may find that product I’m thinking about when I was their livestock how do you feed livestock you were showing a demonstration there that day I don’t know if it was this same unit over this with a greenhouse so that was another product yeah well you could create seed and and you seed and create feed for animals and also could create seed and sprout them and create food to be able to create self sustainability in a very small area and if you can control

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temperatures and you can get water and we’re talking about self sustainability my original nonprofit vision was to promote art and music and culture and educate people about environment and renewable energy toward creating self sustainability model Maui as an example Oh Maui that was 25 years ago here we are 25 years later and now everything you know I ran for I ran for mayor Green Party and I was considered radical but fact the are radical I am radical I’m radically it was on target because you

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know here we are now you’re saying here’s someone they can deliver the goods everything you said you even had a model I had a great guest on here Tapani Laurie is the general manager of the Maui Ocean Center the aquarium here in Malaya and Ted had mentioned to me that he is looking at some kind of a project and in this project there were these spheres domed thousand so I would went the ground just looking at the site and one of the workers asked me what I wanted and suddenly I had the general

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manager and he gave us you know probably an hour’s time a tour of that facility we’re going to talk about it because that’s a whole separate project that you had to me that everything that this guy touches is like each one is like gold and silver I say this guy and I I know it’s like it’s sparking everything in me take a sphere that like the dome at the aquarium and turn it into a size for a home and have produce and be able to create sustainable food for a family even more than they can use so it could be an

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income for a family right the interesting and I appreciate the Pawnee letting us tour that plant while it was under construction yeah the domes represent something that we were initially wanting to take into southern Sudan after they they had their war for 20-something years but more than that we begin to realize is that the the domes have a better effect or better use in areas where the climate is more sustainable like in the tropics hurricanes these are hurricane proof tornado-proof fireproof the interesting

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about the dome is they have such a long term life span they’re cheap to build obviously the one at the aquarium down there is a pretty major sized dome but most of these domes can be constructed in general sense for about a hundred and fifty dollars a square foot nowadays some of the other ancillary services to that dome you can you can double it out you can triple it out just connect it with tunnels it was meaning have is basically I guess you have scale it or numbers of spheres however you want to

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do it the company in Texas had actually developed this back in the 70s monolithic org heavy heavy into the dome industry fertilizer plants I think Texas AT&T Stadium was a dome built by them a lot of the churches in refuge centers and different things just an amazing type of process but it’s longer-term the cool thing about the domes is you can actually modify them after you build them or during the process to where actually they don’t even look like domes but they still are structurally and dome

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being the actual the strongest building that you can actually get physically for physical strength Wow so put all these pieces together Oh home that sounds like more affordable home and so someone’s looking to have a model for affordable right and efficient so in small area people could maintain their own privacy and separateness and yet be linked together if they want through modules being connected of different sizes different distances they could have the produce their power their water right so that means we can use land in a

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whole new I don’t want to say no they’re kind of all the land that was the junk land becomes the place to build so that the other open land can stay open right and exactly that because with the greenhouse dome the greenhouse sphere we looked into doing out with a dome as well the shape it’s actually hurricane proof one of the things with the the hurricane seasons always seems to hit when people got their produce ready to go and so this kind of negates that you know that problem I’m here with Ted

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Bowman Ted of tsunami products we are on k aku 88.5 FM on you are dial I’m Jason Schwartz Ted you’re right about all that stuff and it’s just very exciting when I hear that you have all of it in one place what would always intrigues me as we’ve been speaking is you’re so off-the-cuff about this you really treat it like like it’s just an average thing but it is not an average thing to me and on this island we’re gonna be speaking a little bit then we’re gonna be coming back and

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maybe getting into some specifics about some of the projects and some of the products but on this island the things that you say so matter-of-factly could solve major problems on Maui in so many areas you and I before the election even mayor Arakawa was in place yeah you and I had opportunity to go see Stuart Stanton Mike not gone I think it was yeah they had the environmental and waste spot there at the Explorium Angela and I found that just even in the ideas that you have off-the-cuff of things

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that aren’t even your product line you’re like a wealth of information about systems and have worked so I guess you’re a general contractor also actually I’m an industrial engineer design engineer but most of this stuff that we see here on Maui my wife and I spent about 10 years in East Africa in western Kenya you couldn’t see you could see the bush from our backyard so that’s how close we were in out of the cities and towns anyways we we saw a lot of different problems a lot of issues that

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could have been solved with the just an ease of change of mentality or thought process technologies their technologies everywhere if you really want to drag it in but a lot of people they couldn’t get to that level of saying well this could really work well in our community they did like what we brought in but unfortunately the training system was a little bit lacks on their part for what they could actually not learn about this without us setting up our education system but however when I came to Hawaii

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here and looked at different places especially on Maui even lanai and stuff that they need even though they’re developed to some extent we saw that everything that we try to promote in the Eastern African countries or like Tanzania and and Sudan and South Sudan could actually be done here and you know I’d have to live to be 300 years old to be able to do it all myself but my the way I see it is to get people involved that have desire to explore those different opportunities they’re not

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problems actually our opportunities unsolved and so it’s a different way of looking at it but with the aspect that the sugar industry left only three years ago basically it’s almost as if Maui’s agricultural system and housing development is starting over just you know when you get closer you you have more presence so you get lost when you get too far away okay so we’re starting over and I want to say the breadbasket but it hasn’t even been our bread basket yeah you know it’s been

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stripped away I mean never mind the issue of Hawaiian s of it all yeah it’s been stripped away and been sugar mostly sugar cane this company that’s now in there I imagine they would love the obviously have rights to water mm-hmm yeah the water machines typically are for portable use drinking water whatnot because of the cost of production per liter right now depending on where the the power is coming from but here on my I think you guys are at about 50 percent fifty cents per kilowatt-hour we can

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actually these machines will produce water at about three University three and five cents a liter when you’re looking at larger numbers of that obviously the price it goes up but then the bigger the machine the more efficient it is because of the technology we have inside that machine one of the things that we’re looking at is different ways to harvest water away from conventional refrigeration with freon those are some of the things I want to try to exploit the ideas on on Maui and some of the other islands

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there’s some unique micro climates that allow this to take place minimizing the impact with actually no electricity at all other than solar generated pumps and stuff so those are things for another another conversation topic we have time to explore every night I think as we’re explaining this I mean we know the concept of taking water from air and condensation that’s clear and then we know the process of people have gotten used to you know 25 years ago when I was trying to tell people they didn’t know

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what I’m talking about power from the Sun to keep water or to create electricity or eat other fluids all guys things like that we’re able to get water from the air we’re able to create systems that create independent from a grid that really in the bush makes sense prices high but when I first came here I always talked about utility of scale that if way back then solar electric was not cost-efficient when I we talk about these subjects they all really fit together because it all right we’re all

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trying to solve a problem here and right you seem to have it like I said you have answers when I was there with with Stewart Stanton and Mike you really filled in the gap and made clear things that to me really showed me that someone like yourself and the things that you’re developing I can tell they all integrate they make sense and they respect the idea that we’re on an island but in that pursuit we have money here to do it yeah I mean where as in Kenya Tanzania is a different circumstance right so we have

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all the things that could make this a reality I would like to to propose and I hope you guys will keep me to it that you either come back here and or we can go meet people in our council and the mayor if you’ll have us to talk about overall look at these systems as an independent meaning somehow when people are running the whole game they don’t stand back like playing chess if you’re one of the pieces it’s tough to really see what’s going on in the game when you’re a rock or a or a knight yep but

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so I really think that the insights that we we share need to be shared with some of these people and I think that they are open to it because even when you’re talking numbers and scale of things just in our conversation you cross a lot of modalities you cross a lot of areas that somehow have to work together that you recognize and take like I said you take them as very casual I think of you as the genie in the lamp you’re able to talk about that but no but I mean but no it is true there’s a there’s a there’s

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always been a breakdown when they used to ask me well why did you go to this speciality oh that’s speciality but what I found was in the business over the years of an industrial engineer for almost 40 years the breakdown is that the industrial phase it’s compartmentalized agriculture actually is less compartmentalized comparatively because farmers have to do everything from soup to nuts and so what I begin to realize is there was a real disconnect between the need and the solution and I know that sounds

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kind of ambiguous but what it is is basically it’s a bridging effect of time to take all the the necessary ideas bridge them to the problem sources and make sure that the local establishment can deal with that in other words we can we can say well if we had a million dollars we could do this or do that but within those areas they don’t have that probability of money funding so they have to go okay what what’s the old saying necessity is the mother of invention right and so that really holds true

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especially I see here in Maui because there’s a there’s a first-world capacity with the ingenuity and the things they have but the problems are the same as a third-world country that we experienced for 10 years right not that people are less intelligent but they don’t have the opportunity to see we could solve the problem with this or with this over this and not have to bring in you know a billion dollars worth of assets to do it there’s a lot of potential by you know I I’m not really I won’t call myself an

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organic farmer mentality because we know that won’t work overseas in a lot of areas because you don’t have the established manure you don’t have the established grains available that it but here they’re available within you know a few days from the coast so the cool thing about Maui is everything almost everything we experienced over there can be done here and it can be done economical level because they do have infrastructure already existing it’s just a matter of putting the puzzle

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together so I’m trying to really get these one wall to do that in their own specific compartment if you will well in about a minute or two we’re going to be going to break so I don’t want to get too heavy into it but when we come back I would like to have you run me through a typical scenario which we’ll be looking at with a home and developer because I want to look at lightly look at the numbers to be able to give something hard so that people who will really look seriously okay you know and

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I would like to invite our audience to get ready to get your questions so we’ll have Ted back because I really meant it you really are an answer man Ted Bowman of genomics product when I look at your website I learned so much just reading about these take it flow you can put it in a home but you can also have it large scale and you can link them together and there should be no water problem on Maui no one should ever say that word again exactly you know so I hear these things no one should ever say that we can’t

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keep open space because we AG you can’t use that area because we need distribution never hear that again no power distribution needed no water distribution needed take care of wastes use them for growing I am so turned on by just the whole thing that you’re talking about and I would never have known that except I just happened to really found that fascinating that water from air that’s why I brought it up as the grabber we’re gonna tell you another thing that’s going on that’s gonna be

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happening soon with this but we’ll save that for the second part I’m gonna get ready here and let the people that support our radio station and support this thing here with me be seen and heard and then we’ll come back and get into some of that fun stuff okay sounds good thanks okay Ted Bowman tsunami products Jason Schwartz Maui neutral zone dot-com be right back the neutral zone with me Jason Schwartz would like to sincerely thank David Bryan for his support David was founder and head of school at new Road School in

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Santa Monica California and as the board chair at the Ojai Foundation and on the board for brave new films the neutral zone has heard live Mondays at 11:00 a.m. here on Kak you 88.5 FM the voice of maui and again on saturdays at 7:00 a.m. as well as on TV and on Maui neutral zone comm the neutral zone with me Jason Schwartz would like to thank Maui Arts and Music Association tree makers Foundation of Maui for their support since 1991 hundreds of television shows and their maui arts and music comm website they have champion

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and the county of Maui Office of Economic Development if you love them enough to turn off your music and pretend like their music is your music but surely you’ll check NHTSA dot gov slash the right seat to make sure they were in the right car seat let’s play it again check today at NHTSA gov slash the right seat brought to you by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in the Ad Council scientists have discovered a biosphere deep underground it’s dark it’s alive and it’s smelly yeah it’s not really

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terrible because a lot of the deepest life that we found produces sulfide which smells like rotten eggs life thriving in unexpected places on the next big picture science [Music] Wow that was fun this is 88.5 FM kak you the voice of Maui I’m Jason Schwartz your host of the neutral zone Maui neutral zone calm facebook.com/ kak u FM radio you can find us at Maui neutral zone calm the next day with all our shows you can find us on youtube and but all that boils down to the guest at hand I’ve said this

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so many times I almost sound like and we have a great guest today I’ve had some great guests and one of the greatest guests and I don’t want to put on this pedestal but again when I speak to you I see visions and to me that it means it confirms what I know and that is there are answers to all these problems what I said at 25 years ago we could have kept malli at a different stage I was Green Party guy running for mayor but the fact is I was not radical at all I basically right now the idea is that I’ve been

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sharing others share and carried banners and sometimes I think I kind of forget that I even them around but it all ties together to be an environmental economic model that really seats in how does it serve the people and the local people and when you’re talking about being able to take large fields and deal with that in some ways but you’re talking about self sustainable in small units as small as a family unit alright or development of group of people are bigger you’re you’re talking about self sustainability

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like everyone dreams of on this island and can be here right now you have a demonstration that I know you have planned don’t you yeah we’ve got we’re gonna be setting up the water machine somewhere look like we haven’t actually scheduled it yet we might even go over to the tropical plantation when they have the Hawaiian farmers oh yeah over there good have yet to schedule that with the powers to be but I think we’ll probably have another year like we did last year I may not be there person

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but my one of my partner’s here a local guy okay a Peter Higa and through Peter he was born and raised here we met when he was over on the mainland for a while very interesting very resourceful very sharp knows a lot about the situation’s here on the islands not just Maui but all the islands Peter was retired out of the military a few years back so we have a few things in common we’ve got some different products we’re going to be trying to put on the market so the question that I’ve been having that

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being some housing we’ve got a model that we’re trying to do up country there’s some things going there delayed but basically if everything goes as we’re hopeful for up in the homestead districts or areas I guess what you call it here’s how I describe let me describe it because I saw it in action when this demonstration I went to sea water were there there were some Hawaiians there and there’s a Hawaiian homestead area up there that you are developing a relationship where they’re going to be

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putting land aside for a demonstration of just what we’re talking about a combination of all these elements that create a self sustainable model to me the fact that you might be able to lead with Hawaiian being an example gives the Hawaiians yet another opportunity to express themselves and to share their native and natural concepts and really be a major step up that would be a like a global focus but that’s secondary to the fact that this is what I’ve been dreaming of a self sustainability model

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and you know with that you know the the self sustainability we use that term kind of a law here these days in America not in Hawaii but true self sustainability doesn’t necessarily mean that you said it in motion is perpetual it’s more about the fact that in the old days the farms were handed down to the next generation and because the costs are the value I guess or the production of whatever you want to call it economically the kids want it and so they went into other vocations he said I don’t do what my dad

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didn’t struggle to death and so we’ve kind of lost that deal I’m an FFA kid Future Farmers of America way back in the seventies to date myself a little bit but um I still feel young you know I’m great but anyway yeah so with that in mind there’s been a lag in the training of potential new farmers coming up they look at it now as a corporate farm for example when I was a kid we milked about 350 head of dairy cattle in the Pacific Northwest over towards linden up close to the border those days

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the average farm was 250 300 then ten years later it went up to like two thousand and and now they’ve had to they’ve had to go up to that level because the volume of milk had to go up because the profit margins went down so anyway with the the big farmers back in the Midwest you know the price of a combines gone up tenfold in the price of a bushel wheat stayed about the same so all those new things it’s bringing a new change and how we see farming I think now it could represent a real

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model for the rest of the world because literally speaking you take a 30 or 40 foot diameter greenhouse dome that we like to look at because they’re more manageable their wind proof the hurricane proof all the things I said before that represents something that a farmer or just a homeowner with his family maybe he’s got two kids they can grow the equivalent on one acre with that dome that they could on 10 or 15 out in the normal environment and in their risk damaged windstorms bugs all those things I want to repeat that

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because that’s very powerful so in one acre of dome code you say well a one acre parcel where there’s a home and a dulness as well country yeah but on that you can have the equivalent growth that you could have in 10 or 15 acres of field depending on obviously that’s kind of a nobody well the point being is is it’s continuous like for example if you have greenhouses are known vertical inaudible so that’s awesome mm-hmm I mean I just that alone which I can’t imagine why that is why isn’t it

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happening right now well I think it’s because it’s a newer technology it’s you know the old like I said the old farmers of all I can make it on three hundred head of cattle and they could back in the 70s you had occasion for example on an island to talk to Lucy and in a Sierra Club gal or Albert Perez from Maui tomorrow or any of these guys no I haven’t yet I’m there establish here how is on our show and Luciano be on these are people that are visible in our community as there are numbers of people

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whose active environmental and social leaders but environmental leaders who might really enjoy seeing for the future we’ve seen some plans through Maui tomorrow and what would happen if this was added into bringing the numbers more in line where someone here I go my wild brain someone who has the land that owns the land or again I’m the Hawaiian issue aside but right now if land that has an owner large owner that owner would go to a bank he can get all the money he wants right so if he partners with potential

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builder and potential owners or long-term rent whatever it be of these domes hmm the financing is already essentially here right and that’s one of the key factors of this whole thing is we’re not coming in as a corporation from the mainland I mean I’m actually making plans to relocate here for indefinite time because I know I need to be there on a daily basis but what we’re looking at long term is not so much to try to market our wares like a traveling salesman but more we’re looking at

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setting up training modules long term with these programs with the homesteads and whatnot train from within about self-sustainability from Maui like I said it’s as if when I was looking for the part of science that come down from the heavens and have all the answers you know you’re really leading into an area that works so well with the people on our island who do care and know about it who would like I’m sure would love to be able to incorporate and I know that Vince Meno would be a good guy also to

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help me yeah the events one of the things that we look at to to carry it even further you know growing up I love Tomatoes isn’t going to make you rich but growing up I love Tomatoes on a regular basis that you contract with some type of a cannery process which can actually be put up on Island too and all of a sudden its self sustainable in the long run because not only are they producing food locally they’re also producing a statewide or for the statewide use in ending a lot of the importing from the mainland that is in

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my business that what these guys at mahi pono the big new buyers of the 41,000 acre that’s what they’re proposing that they’ve done it somewhere else yeah and the thing is is they’re they’re looking to shipping it off Island I think some of that I don’t know all the details of the order I think I mean but I think it’s you know there are buyers looking for there are other people if you can take just an acre or two and be self-sustainable that to me what’s I want to say what’s the heat on it it

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lets my own oh no they better do something makes sense because people could become self-sustainable and not really if they are not they should be partnered in my mind they should be partnered in creating these self sustainable models they’ll be they’re the ones that get all the produce that comes out of the line that is access I mean this whole model could really yeah cuz it’s got to be a desire from within you can and that’s what we learned living in East Africa that people really

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didn’t have a desire instead to say that’s because of the multiple billions of dollars that have been poured in those countries they never really trained they’ve kind of trained in modules but they really didn’t because they didn’t get down to the people’s level to say what do you want to see with your country or your area or your village or whatever but unlike that here I think there’s enough there’s enough drive from the local force to begin to realize that the kids

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coming up through the years through college is like no I’m going into agriculture because I can go back home and make a mint and so and then have self-sustainability start to worry about working a second job and a fourth job and a sixth job and quality family life goes exactly why Latif community goes up mm-hmm and that’s what that’s what the real self sustainability is it’s from the core level it’s not about whether we use [Music] plastic or not use plastic it’s about what we do with what we can actually

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create the other things those the the issue with the the renewable energies or stuff like this that’s kind of a that’s kind of a symptom to the issue but the fact that maybe we don’t have the use of fossil fuel we don’t want to use it because it’s going to go away eventually or we don’t want to cloud up our atmosphere whatever the case may be I think it’s a matter of using wise technology that’s really what the self sustainability is about I know that sounds kind of ambiguous but it really

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comes back to the onion layer type principle where everybody says oh this is a problem well that’s the problem and you keep digging down through the layers you know oh this is the problem the core is we don’t have a reason to stay here and develop because there’s nothing there and I think the fact is that when you dig really deep you begin to realize there is enough resource here on these islands to do anything they want and to be totally non controlled if you will from the coast the mainland coast with

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their importing and stuff within that’s my opinion no and within reason a reasonable amount of time and you have right just a few years overnight but there’s no just it’s not going to take a generation it can happen within two three four years the cries that we hear about self sustainability and such and we want to ground it and how it will apply and be able to be applied I guess it would be good that we be seen and talk to the people in the county and talk about making building plans and

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understandable and be able to create new zoning what kinds of things then what are the things that I noticed and it’s maybe other people have met and seen it before I did but you know you’ve got to have food shelter clothing and water and those things maybe not in that specific order but those are the things that if you can address those immediately now your brain can start thinking about okay how can I build or grow but when every day is a fight just for those survival basics you don’t have time to think

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outside the box you it’s it’s about status quo thing it’s like nah I got to get beyond that so with this principle of having a home and at greenhouse dome there don’t greenhouse water machines that can be ran where you don’t have solar energy people can come in they can develop their own homes their lives now they can start thinking outside the box of how I can develop a income generation in other words not just about growing food for your own consumption but now how can I multiply this how can I

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duplicate this and then sell some of that that’s truly what we’re talking about here it’s going backwards on our system approach in America instead of having somebody rely on somebody else to give me what I need it’s about doing it yourself and they’re doing it in such a way that you make a profit when you do it well you see to me this is just perfect Maui we hopefully will grab some of this technology and be using it here but if we can have a demonstration from here and through mama through this Maui arts

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and music thing share it to the world where they can see it and implemented everywhere we truly are like turning on light bulbs all around the world and and you know if we all will start using these technologies and will be a great example we’re the most remote land mass in the world so if we can create that kind of model here you know with the help of all the people that could help point their light on this I hope that this has great success well another you know one of the thing that we talked about earlier I didn’t go in

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the detail but is a example of this sprouted fodder production machine we don’t actually make seeds but we take seeds in sack for them that’s available readily available in fact you can even get it here in town some of the AG department and AG stores those seeds represent about a five percent absorption if you will when the cows or the animals or whatever chickens are given that but running it through a one week of this fodder processing to where you actually sprout those seeds grains it becomes twenty eight to thirty

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percent and I have to say that tongue-in-cheek because I don’t know the exact percentage but I know it’s a it’s it’s four to five times more in volume well it’s in volume but also the uptake the usability for the nutrition to the animal so example II we had these units developed for once again for overseas where they were going through droughts one of these smaller units that we designed you you seed the first tray today next one the mala Nixon tomorrow by the end of the seventh day the eighth

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day you come back and harvest the first seed tray take off the fodder which is about six inches tall now with a massive root mass underneath you feed that entire thing to the animals and then you recede it so basically you have now animal feed 365 days a year this particular size unit is the equivalent of three to four acres of pasture land of what it produces so now you don’t need the big land masses to be able to grow your own animals chickens rabbits everything goes with you know there’s

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some some hey maybe depending on the animal but the point being is is that this represents something that you can have and a person could be a farmer immediately if he has a small amount of acreage he doesn’t have to go out and spend two three million dollars on ten more acres he can do this on his own land as long as it’s zoned properly because I know there’s a lot of details there but this is a general idea these things do work we didn’t invent big there’s something like this this unit

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basically the small unit is a six foot by nine foot by about 93 inches tall you know it the Canadians said one of the inspectors is about acres this produces three to four three to four acres of pasture land equivalent in one machine like this so let’s take a again I I’m blown away ever see why I say he has all the answers everything you talk well it’s SME seems like such a no-brainer that people would just be running are you so Monday with these meetings I imagine no they take a while to build but the thing about these

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machines is it controls the moisture control that reuses the water in there it can pull water out of the air and it filters it through so it’s all tied in with the water it’s all about water eyes together right so here on a small parcel of land if you were a farmer or even just a farmer for your own I guess your own use what if you don’t like to slaughter animals you don’t have that kind of thing in your movie well once again that’s the whole point of developing agricultural is so that they

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can be funneled into multiple people that can benefit from that in the slaughterhouses in the processing plant on and on and on eggs if you want to just do it for any you don’t have to do it in your own house you can take the product that you’ve got and like you said earlier about contracting mmm-hmm this can all be done where someone can walk into one of these quote models and have a self-sustainable I want to say buying a house that cash flows exactly out making the rent so high that sounds

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great for everybody no matter where they live right by the way and they’re portable they’re portable as well they don’t have they’re not a lot of that weight they pull him in on a trailer set him off on the ground and there’s basically uh that was the product I was talking about earlier about being able to make si si yeah actually take a bag you know 50-pound sack you basically soak the stuff the night before you know just to make sure the pathogens are up put a little bleach water in it like you would

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in your clothes and so that kills everything you spread it out and the third day it’s sprouting and it doesn’t have to have any light other than just to turn it green because by the time the seventh day rolls around now it’s looking for light to make the chlorophyll process happen to where it makes an actual plant but you feed it right at that point so the animal can digest it and it’s much more inaudible could you grow things in there that are I’m just looking we have about 10

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minutes left so we’re good do we can you grow things in there that is it for an animal sure we looked at that you know when you get into human consumption directly there’s some issues with the FDA but you have to look at yeah mm-hmm so those are some of the things we’re looking into that but it’s you know that’s kind of down the line we’re looking at addressing the first problem first the biggest thing with with what you’re talking about is those are more down the chain for development and the

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further down the chain the more value you have to add to it the more issues you have to overcome not that it’s not doable but it’s very specific and so now you run into a potential competition base so what we’re looking at is just trying to go help people to develop the first line of production or subsist self-sustainability along with that no a lot of people are saying well you know we don’t even have any property to build a home with because there’s no we can’t get a permit

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for water and so we’ve actually looked at these the monolithic domes obviously are long term but the the tiny homes tiny houses are big now and so we’re actually developing a network here we can actually put water machines built into those homes so that the whole package can be financed and located placed I’m not definitely sure about the permitting issues but we’re trying to make it feasible so that a person can conceivably have a home for under sixty thousand dollars it makes its own water

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they can run off LED lights from the solar system if they need a wind generator to hook up to that where get down a specific type of a device that uses a gas power but that generator is highly efficient it’s come back on the market it was in the bankruptcy so years ago one of the colleagues of mine he’s redeveloping that whole industry uses about 1/4 the horsepower requirements for the same amount of output there’s not on the nature of the electronics on and on and on so a lot of these things were working through higa

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higa homes Higa industries were we’ve developed that so in the next probably six months or less we’ll actually have some of those homes on the market too people can look at as models so like I said we’re trying to get people to spur they’re their inner thoughts if you will and look hey I want to come back into this area and develop this in my life I want to stay on Maui I don’t want to have to travel here and there and I guess I’d pull you around the world that are watching this watch our example and

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if you want you can probably try to catch catch some of this and be in your community even before but you blew the tsunami products that come is there another website they should be looking at anything we’re gonna be showing the actual effects of the water machines we developed a company called Kalani water from air is that at Aulani water calm yeah it’s WWD water calm so we we took that name I don’t know how it ties in with the water part but we its consequence Lani is heaven so yeah Lani

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must be those Hawaiians out to have to help me please but I understand it’s from heaven mm-hmm yeah I think it has to do with with that the water going there yeah and it’s gonna be bottle than available to people yeah we’ll be bottling on the island so we’ll first start out with some restaurants that we know and then try to make it available as we open up vendors locally and we’re trying to for the most part will be competitive it’s not going to be an expensive process yeah her

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product I should say so it’ll be competitive to where we’re not trying to step on anybody or anything no that’s wonderful good so I added it’ll teach people more about the water from air really and then also I will note as part of the organic or the green crowd I’m learning we actually are going to be developing our own recycling processing for the used bottle so people come in and scan the code they throw it in the machine it grinds it we come and collect that plastic and then we reuse that

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plastic so it’s actually on island we don’t ship that stuff off anywhere isn’t that all these good ideas we’re gonna have to be independent consultants to the county I think that’s what’s gonna have to be or at least be meeting them and see maybe they’ll take advantage and also some of these private people we talked about big landowners and yep people who can make some of these projects happen I hope to be able to see that happen we got about three and a half minutes three and a half minutes

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and I was Ted Bowman what would I want to talk about make sure these people get a feeling for I guess one of the things that’s kind of my pet desire if you will no pun intended is to after we get up and running to try and help people understand about the potential for high-density fish farming especially with catfish that’s pretty much the unique species it will grow under captivity these fish under high density conditions with a set of tanks which basically you can put in the size of a

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bathroom actually around a little bit bigger these you can actually through a process these fish will actually grow ultra fast and ultra large in those high density areas and don’t require hardly any input other than the feed stocks which we’re working on that locally to produce those types of natural feed stocks basically somebody could have a combination of a greenhouse and now an ancillary business of growing fish for that market as well and I’ve never thought about fish here with the island

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having water all around it but I guess things out there in the ocean are all radioactive so controlling your own flow it got fish catfish a lot of people think it tastes cruddy but actually catfish tastes based on what you feed them so if they’re not groveling in the dirt and mud they actually are very flavorful Aska ask any southerner and they’ll tell you if it’s farm-raised this well that was what I was thinking that you would be talking about but that’s good Ted Bowman you are really a wealth of

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knowledge and your products and all that you’re doing I hope people will check out what you’re doing I’m sure they will how could they not I’m so intrigued by you’ve been really a great guest I hope you’ll come and join us again thanks I’d like to aggress appreciate that and we have oh goodness gracious so you got a minute and a half oh I didn’t say the tsunami products also give a give a clip for tsunami products calm yeah that’s a wealth of information on there not just

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for sales see that one on the screen okay all right all right when I looked at that website I was just really just thrilled to see from small to large and and it really is just our web our webmaster Yuliya do Dena has done huge amounts of research over the last 10 12 years she’s really sharp in that area so she’s pretty well nailed it on a lot of these programs yeah it was it’s really a good read and by the end of it I wish I had a piece of land but now you got all kinds of things coming online they can

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get those those water from air units for their homes now right yep yep they’re available and we have we have a one on island l or web to actually we can do a demo so we’ll keep those no well if people can get in touch I know they can well we’ve got about 45 seconds that you’ve been a wonderful guest I know you probably said oh I forgot to talk about this anything else you want to talk about you are welcome back okay welcome Jess Thank You Ted boom thank you for having me appreciate it it’s a pleasure

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you guys out there I hope that you will stay tuned then realize there are other great shows here on K aku FM and we are the neutral zone Maui neutral zone calm tomorrow you’ll find this show up there on the web and on YouTube and you can find it at Facebook kak radio fm we are gonna leave you thank you for joining us it has been a pleasure Oh [Music]