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Published on 11/13/2023 by Jason Schwartz

TNZ- 11/13/2023- Jason with Scott Bushnell … again… speak about needs to change.  Speaking at a level where Jason explodes in frustration !

Summary & Full Timestamped Transcript Below

  • [00:03 → 02:39]
    Introduction and Context: Maui’s Current State Post-Disaster
    The show opens with a lighthearted introduction referencing the date and the idea of “changing the paradigm.” The host introduces guest Scott R. Bushnell, who is affiliated with Maui and the website alohaswimlessons.com, highlighting his diverse experience. The discussion quickly pivots to the state of Maui post-Hurricane Lana (referred to as “Lina” in transcript), focusing on the community’s resilience (“Maui strong”) and the visible challenges, such as people camping on Kopali Beach. The host notes that there is longstanding unmet need for housing and social support that predates the recent wildfire disaster but has now become more acute.
  • [02:39 → 06:22]
    FEMA, Insurance, and Housing Crisis
  • Critical issues related to FEMA aid and insurance payouts are discussed. Many homeowners, including multi-generational families who inherited homes, find themselves trapped between insurance companies and FEMA, with disputes over coverage and payment responsibilities.
  • The insurance industry is reluctant to pay, pushing responsibility onto the federal government due to the scale of the disaster. This results in a bureaucratic stalemate with residents stuck in the middle.
  • There is confusion and frustration among residents, and legal advice is recommended before dealing with insurance companies.
  • The presence of unidentified groups camping on the beach adds tension, reflecting deeper systemic issues rather than the immediate disaster alone.
  • Behind the scenes, legal and political maneuvers involving the mayor and utility companies suggest complexity in addressing the crisis.
  • The media landscape is briefly mentioned, noting that mainstream news outlets charge for access, while the show’s platform (Maui Neutral Zone on public access TV) provides free, community-focused coverage.
  • [06:22 → 11:10]
    Economic and Social Transformation of Maui: From Plantation to Tourism
  • The conversation transitions to the historical economic shift from sugar cane plantations to tourism, which has driven significant changes in Maui’s economy and housing.
  • Originally, plantation and hotel developers built employee housing alongside infrastructure improvements (wastewater, water systems). However, over time, housing affordability and availability failed to keep pace with wage growth and community needs.
  • The existing housing stock and laws have not adapted to allow local workers to afford living in Maui, leading to a deepening crisis.
  • The local economy now includes tech workers and remote employees returning to Maui, representing a potential source of stability and growth, but comprehensive workforce development and education reform are needed to diversify and support this new economy.
  • The island’s isolation and dependency on imports exacerbate vulnerability, highlighting the urgency of developing a self-sustaining community model.
  • [11:10 → 15:56]
    Housing Affordability and Community Challenges
  • There is a clear gap between the demand for affordable housing and the supply, worsened by regulatory hurdles and the aftermath of natural disasters.
  • Some local businesses, especially in upcountry and Kihei, report record sales, but this contrasts sharply with the widespread housing crisis and homelessness, underscoring uneven economic impacts.
  • Discussion on FEMA’s limited shelter capacity (127 beds) compared to the number of displaced individuals highlights the insufficiency of current aid efforts.
  • The service industry workers face challenges despite the influx of FEMA renters in hotels because these renters do not contribute significantly to local businesses beyond lodging.
  • The core question posed: Where is the money to fund housing and recovery coming from? This remains a critical but largely unresolved issue.
Topic Detail/Issue
FEMA shelter beds Only 127 beds available for wildfire displaced persons
Hotel impact Hotels receive FEMA funding but auxiliary businesses see limited benefit
Local business performance Some sectors thriving, others devastated
Funding source Unclear; public funds limited; private investment needed
  • [15:56 → 22:02]
    Regulatory Barriers and Labor Shortages Hindering Recovery
  • The conversation identifies government regulations and labor licensing as major bottlenecks to rapid housing construction.
  • Specifically, Hawaii’s contractor licensing requires five years of apprenticeship under a licensed general contractor, preventing outside labor forces from coming in quickly to build new homes.
  • This protectionist policy, while intended to safeguard quality and local jobs, significantly delays rebuilding efforts in an emergency context.
  • The speakers advocate for temporary suspension or modification of these regulations specifically in the wildfire burn zones to expedite recovery.
  • The need for a coordinated effort involving landowners, financiers, and construction professionals is emphasized.
  • Examples from other states where construction crews and materials are brought in rapidly are cited as models.
  • [22:02 → 29:54]
    The Role of Big Money, Landowners, and Government Leadership
  • The discussion turns to the pivotal role of wealthy landowners and financial institutions who have the resources to build but face obstacles due to regulations and government inertia.
  • The speakers call for political leadership (mayor, governor, legislature) to enact special laws and emergency measures that allow fast-tracking of housing construction while maintaining code compliance.
  • There is frustration expressed over the slow pace of government response and a call for public involvement to push politicians to act.
  • The speakers envision a collaborative framework where private investment and public authority combine to solve the housing crisis.
  • The idea of putting a regulatory moratorium or emergency legislation on the ballot to empower this process is introduced.
Stakeholders Potential Role
Private landowners Provide land and capital
Financial institutions Fund construction projects
Government (Mayor, Governor) Enact laws, suspend regulations temporarily, coordinate efforts
Public Advocate and hold leadership accountable
  • [29:54 → 36:51]
    Practical Solutions: Modular Homes and Streamlined Construction
  • Modular homes and prefab construction methods, which produce minimal waste and quick assembly, are proposed as effective solutions.
  • The challenge remains that current local regulations complicate or prohibit the use of such methods, requiring permits and compliance that slow down projects.
  • The speakers emphasize that building codes should be flexible in emergency zones but still ensure safety and quality.
  • They urge those with connections and influence in government and finance to step forward and help break down these barriers.
  • The conversation stresses the importance of integrating private sector efficiency with public sector oversight to expedite housing delivery.
  • [36:51 → 39:22]
    Community Media and Call to Action
  • The show encourages listeners to engage with community media like Maui Neutral Zone and Akaku Public Access TV for ongoing information and advocacy.
  • The hosts reiterate the need for grassroots involvement and sustained public pressure to ensure that emergency housing becomes a reality.
  • The tone shifts to a call for responsible, respectful dialogue and action rather than complaint alone.
  • Personal commitment from the hosts to continue pushing this agenda is expressed.
  • [39:22 → 48:14]
    Upcoming Community Events and Broader Context
  • Announcements about local events such as Akaku’s Community Connection Day and a screening of the cult classic horror-comedy Blood Diner are shared, reflecting active community engagement.
  • Historical and cultural reflections on Maui’s arts and music scene link community identity to recovery efforts.
  • There is also a brief discussion about the national issue of underpaid wildland firefighters, highlighting the importance of properly funding emergency services on Maui and beyond.
  • The speakers note Hawaiian Electric’s controversial early power shutoff on the wildfire day, hinting at ongoing investigations and public scrutiny.
  • [48:14 → 56:37]
    Summary, Commitment, and Vision for Maui’s Future
  • The hosts summarize the key issues: housing shortage, regulatory barriers, need for private investment, and political will to enact emergency reforms.
  • There is a strong emphasis on collaborative problem solving that includes all sectors of Maui society — from displaced residents to business owners to government.
  • The conversation closes on a hopeful note, with Scott Bushnell committing to lead efforts toward concrete solutions and inviting public participation via the show’s call-in line.
  • The hosts reaffirm that Maui is “not only Lahaina strong but Maui strong” and stress the importance of vision, unity, and action to create a sustainable future.
  • The show ends with encouragement to keep the dialogue going and to use media platforms to maintain momentum.

Key Insights and Themes

  • Housing crisis on Maui is deep and multifaceted, exacerbated by natural disasters but rooted in decades of economic and regulatory challenges.
  • Insurance and FEMA aid processes are complex and often ineffective for displaced multi-generational homeowners.
  • Regulatory and licensing laws, while protective in normal times, are major obstacles to rapid rebuilding in emergencies.
  • Private landowners and financial institutions hold key resources but lack enabling policies and coordinated leadership to act quickly.
  • Community involvement, media transparency, and political will are crucial to breaking the stalemate.
  • Innovative construction methods (modular homes) and emergency legislation could dramatically speed recovery.
  • There is a need to balance emergency flexibility with safety and quality standards.
  • Local workforce development and economic diversification are key to long-term sustainability.
  • Public engagement and advocacy are essential to hold government and private actors accountable.

Timeline Table: Key Topics and Events

Timestamp Topic Summary / Action Point
00:03 – 02:39 Introduction & Maui’s current post-disaster state Community strength; visible housing crisis; Kopali Beach campers
02:39 – 06:22 FEMA and insurance issues Conflicts between insurers and FEMA delaying aid to homeowners
06:22 – 11:10 Economic shift from plantation to tourism Historic lack of affordable housing linked to economic changes
11:10 – 15:56 Housing affordability and uneven economic impact Limited FEMA shelter capacity; service workers struggling
15:56 – 22:02 Regulatory and labor constraints Licensing laws preventing rapid construction; call for emergency suspension
22:02 – 29:54 Role of big money and government leadership Need for laws empowering private investment; political action required
29:54 – 36:51 Modular homes and streamlined construction Prefab methods as solution; regulatory hurdles remain
36:51 – 39:22 Community media and public involvement Call to action for grassroots advocacy and ongoing engagement
39:22 – 48:14 Local events and broader emergency services context Community events; firefighter pay issue; Hawaiian Electric power cut inquiry
48:14 – 56:37 Summary and commitment to solutions Hosts’ pledge to lead efforts; vision of Maui strong and sustainable

Definitions and Concepts

Term Definition / Explanation
FEMA Federal Emergency Management Agency, responsible for disaster aid
Modular Homes Prefabricated houses built off-site and assembled on location quickly
Protectionist Licensing Regulatory policies that limit entry to professions to protect locals
Emergency Legislation Temporary laws enacted to expedite processes during crises
Workforce Development Training and education to prepare workers for evolving economic sectors

Call to Action and Contact Information

  • Listeners are encouraged to call in and participate via 808-873-3435
  • Visit MauiNeutralZone.com and Akaku.org for updates and community media content
  • Engage with local government and advocate for emergency regulatory reform and housing solutions
  • Support events like Akaku’s Community Connection Day and local cultural initiatives to strengthen community bonds

This summary captures the core content, insights, and calls to action from the video transcript, reflecting the urgent housing and recovery challenges on Maui and the proposed pathways toward solutions.

Full Transcript

00:03
well good morning Aloha it is November 13th or as Jason they used to say hey there everyone we’re at the neutral zone Maui neutral zone.com it is Monday November 13th I was realizing I’m here every week we should change there was a movie Jason Friday the 13th I think we should say Jason Monday the 13th Monday the 13th at 11: at 1111 we’ll have a big gong go off because we’re we’re changing the Paradigm welcome to the show this is the neutral zone it’s anything but neutral I

 

00:44
have a great guest and I like to say a guest host Scott Scott Bushnell Scott R Bushnell someday he’ll tell us the story why he likes to be the r but you are a rocket maybe we’ll call you a rocket rocket no gosh no no no steady and slow slow and steady Welcome to our show Scott aloh house swim lessons.com but also a man of many seasons and many many things thank you Jason Welcome to our show we here on Maui know that the whole world is listening Maui neutral zone.com has hundreds and literally hundreds and

 

01:22
hundreds and hundreds of links to shows at are all our shows for all these years including the ones with interviews of great people talking about great and important things and covering events over the last five years as Maui neutral zone but also in our other incarnations Mama Maui Arts and Music Association presents hundreds of interviews and covering of events and we’re going to be including other producers videos up there soon Todd Swan may he rest in peace our good brother who everyone here

 

01:55
at akaku and K you know so very well was a produc producer for many years and independent before that has much video some of it’s gone and lost and things but we’re going to put some and create it into our menu right there out of our page you know uh I am so happy to say that Maui is still strong Maui strong this week has been a sort of a funny week Scott you know I mean funny suddenly on kopali beach Lina strong which is now started when before there was a oh yeah long before hurricane there was a thing for people

 

02:39
of the administrators and now there’s a um fishing in F like putting their poles out at the beach in kopali and there’s their demands are many but the one that I grabbed in quick headline well there someone who’s not listening to the show we’re gonna we’ll tell them where the show is and that we’re on the Air Buddy anyway um lot of lot of things about being strong so the question of whether tourists were here too soon where does money come from how we going hose our people I I’m going to go off on tangents

 

03:23
here you know me you’re yeah you’re you’re great on tangents yeah well you know people are people are people and yeah Fe here man that’s as big as you get right FEMA small business but if you’re not in the right spot they don’t now these people some of them whoever these people are L strong and whatever identified you know people G tend to lump everybody that was in L into this group or a group or what they want or what they need do you know much about that well right now I have two

 

03:56
people that I am friends with who lost homes in Lina and ancestral homes I mean multi-generational family that have been passed through and they’re finding that FEMA has become a huge stumbling block for them to get any kind of Aid because they paid homeowners insurance for decades and decades and decades and now the big homeowner the big insurance companies in FEMA seem to be at odds that who needs to be paying out one it’s National disaster so big insurance trying to get off the hook and let the

 

04:31
federal government take it in between here we’ve got our residents and our and our local folks who are being trapped in the middle well that’s the whole thing now I don’t know if that’s the thing on the beach cuz from what I’m seeing mostly those look like unidentified people whether they’re I don’t renters or owners but your issue is a gigantic one it’s huge it’s huge and I’m getting that cuz I have two people that I know quite well that are um that actually they’re they they

 

05:05
actually inherited their homes from their their grandparents parents so now it was their home and now it’s gone and they had homeowners insurance and homeowners is saying well you weren’t you were either underinsured or you were over insured and now FEMA is supposed to be taking care of this and the whole thing has just become a hot mess you know I’ve heard people and you’ve heard mostly from attorneys call us first before you call the insurance company if any of you are out there that whoever you are um get some

 

05:39
legal assistance on what to do cuz you know uh who am I to to be able to give you a good answer Scott they don’t know that’s the reason they all jump away but um you know this group on the beach are going to be there until they I don’t know what their identified list is of what they want but there’s a thing going on at the airport really you know it’s like it’s almost like this fire created a focus on on this need but the fact is that need existed in a huge way here long before long before and now and

 

06:22
now the crisis level is higher yeah and some people that are in the help business private in say that mayor Bon’s hiding out he’s sort of like afraid got the attorney and sued the electric company because he knows there only a few attorneys and that we got so there’s all kinds of strategies going on at different levels of protection a lot behind the scenes so as far as I don’t know where media is on this island some people say oh Maui now that’s the most current used to be Maui news but when

 

06:56
you charge for your news and you charge online like most of these papers that’s how they pay the bills right right right you know it’s like so are they still so if I want to get a story there we’re all we’re akaku we Maui Community Public Access TV if if we have listeners you guys either you found us after the fact or you’re listening live because we suddenly your simoc cast and somehow on your cable you found Channel 55 and say who’s that weird guy with the blue shirt that’s me soon I’m going to be

 

07:29
singing assum there we go but uh the fact is Scott things are way out of control here and the biggest issue you know here I stand on my Soap Box these issues you just mentioned I listened to some guy who said either you can complain about the problems or be a problem solver well I hope to say that I know you have to complain about the problems and put them up in the light so you see them so that someone excuse me cares I was going to say gives a that if that’s allowed on radio check the books okay okay um about this

 

08:13
show and about we say because I’ve been talking about this a long time yeah and you know I get to the point of puking over watching Administration after Administration and Bon I don’t have enough con personal con people he’s a great talker obviously he has lots are people I know that really have been very supportive of him and I hope that things are happening 5,000 units in the next 5 years we’ve got problems now oh no we’ve had problems since the we we transition and and and when we went to Congress back in

 

08:47
the late 90s and said we need to keep our sugar cane subsidies and stare step down off those subsidies so we can transition into a much more labor int intensive economy economy it wasn’t back then when the grand the grand via built they built housing when the Hyatt Regency came over to the West Side they supplied housing for their employees because they knew that was an issue and we just never stair step down from that it was brilliant back then not only did they build housing they actually had to

 

09:23
improve the wastewater treatment and Water Systems to take care of the hotels on the west fair to say that the introduction of Tourism which has brought great revenue streams okay the introduction of Tourism changed the focus of a of a agrarian right economy and I don’t to at all no no but here we are here we are now and the housing plan that was a great plan for a business and its employees and then but then over time those people have kids we’re now right couple of generations different right

 

10:02
and the the laws about who can buy what and how to hold control on uh prices and future prices so that the people that are working for these wages most of them low right can afford to live the life of their none of that was brought in in fact in fact you know it’s happened it’s no it’s not it’s came here and thought I’d be working with people to try to streng economy and its environment I was here in 88 you’re right there before me and then I see the interest came in you

 

10:39
know I’m too many things to talk about too little time and we need a bigger audience because at some point I’m going to which we keep doing if you really listen we’re going to blow your mind with how many bad choices have been made across the country it’s not just Maui no but I don’t care where the country is doing it you’re you’re right I don’t disagree with you right you know and it it’s it’s it’s a crisis that we’ve got unchecked unchecked inflation since the

 

11:10
1970s butac we’re on an island 3,000 miles and the most remote land mass right if we don’t say hey look if nobody steps off a plane and we have to deal with our own food cuz we can’t get any more barges and we all having a war everywhere in every direction and we have to create our own figurant and power and we have to have some kind of system that’s going to house all our people just take a snapshot of now well here we have a whole West Side that they’re replanning I don’t know who’s

 

11:47
planning I know that the owners no I’m I’m governor and mayor and again all the federal that we hear in the news the news is planning our future with the and we hear just that should be so disheartening to people on the island well it is it’s horrible why are people on the beach suddenly they’re going wait a minute yeah it’s not the governor’s idea it’s not the mayor’s idea it’s the people who have owned that property for Generations or however long to make the

 

12:17
decisions of what they’re going to do I don’t want anyone telling me to do what on my property that’s and that’s the folks on the beach that’s an opinion no what I’m saying is what a clash Clash now add in another Catalyst of the Hawaiian Nation obviously seeing this I want to say like the Hezbollah but obviously seeing this as an opportunity so two different fronts of fighting things are happening in our world here I consider this surely no one’s killing each other but this economy has

 

12:52
strangled itself when I and I’m you’re hearing the heat in me go up but that’s because it’s been baking a long time this place has been killing itself because of influence to build here and build out an economy to support the tourism economy but not building a local sustainable housing economy and work economy you put it in simple words you said hey look when sugar cane went away you had to do a stair step into an economy of a labor intensive these people aren’t rocket scientists they not

 

13:29
getting International jobs as what are we going to do here we don’t have wages going up to commensurate with housing but what I’m seeing what I’m seeing which is just super to see is a lot of people who are working in the tech industry who grew up here who are moving back and working remotely making those jobs that can afford to be here you have to reinvent yourself we don’t reinvent a community the members of the community reinvent the community well bring so so what’s maybe how why we just we just we

 

14:03
need to focus every every a every aspect of our educational system has to be trained for this new age economy is that what they talk about a Workforce economy Workforce Development it has been forever ever since the the CC Camp back after the Great Depression what is their Workforce Development doing and again you have to training people to be in the hospitality industry which is a good industry well right and one needs to diversify again I right you guys out there go to Maui artsand music.org look at the mission statement

 

14:40
read the front page and read it word for word so that you see a vision that is integrated this vision is you it’s us and what he just said he he Scott I’m he now Scott AR bu now you know it’s like we talk in different languages but we speak the same things you speak in you sp real down home about the ideas about the change from the plantation economy I’m just trying to be a little Rowdy here I want to say there’s really other good news I have friends that are business owners Ina and

 

15:20
in up country and in kii and they are having some of the most record setting times so the sadness of lahina business own has to be there has to be this sidebar of my business has been better than I’ve ever had it my my sales are better than they’ve been you know do those numbers add up though I what my thing is that’s good and and but we’ve lost we’ve lost we’ve lost the jewels these people that are out there that own homes and own property and rent the numbers are staggering and the number of

 

15:56
people that need them are we the public says are we supposed to be in the middle of this and pay for housing well the people out there think that there’s a right obviously wherever the money is coming from again we don’t want to talk about the money that’s another story for another show yeah but where do you get the money I I see them put up FEMA and only for FEMA homeless people from the Wildfire area right only 127 beds when you call very very ni people I went down there but you know what 127 beds that’s

 

16:34
127 doesn’t figure when I speak and the hotels you think the hotels are saying well we are collecting money obviously a different rate oh huge rates yeah but at a different rate than we would normally get and everybody’s saying the hotels are raking it in but I’m saying I have friends that that uh work in the the service industry over in Kapalua and even though FEMA is renting all these rooms they’re not spending money in the restaurants and taking care of all the auxiliary businesses that go

 

17:08
along with the hotel yeah you have a place to sleep but they those people can’t support four and five star well that’s the point so there’s these 25 however many people are in all these hotel and and accommodations that can’t afford it so where does that money come from so see this this is the time where we have to have I think what do you think independent outside ideas that come together and and usually the big Tripper no matter I can have idea and talk about it till I’m blue and they say

 

17:47
oh yeah big talker big talker right what do you need you need someone that has money ownership control of finances skin in the game can be able to move resources bring them from somewhere else to here how are you going to build all these houses can’t because how people going to get the well no but how you’re talking that these people on the be so let’s say we get those tents like they’re using the army tents FEMA’s using eight to a to a tent okay we we’re going to take over land use eminent

 

18:21
domain or have some owner and pay them right now now this is for years where are we going to find the laborers unless these people W out that maybe 60 70 80 50 are going to be out there we got to find labor and got to pay that labor so right that’s why I say there’s Solutions here but it takes an opportunity to talk to and have direct audience with the big money je beos Larry Allison you guys are local boys yeah but they’re CH they’re chump change no no they’re not I say that the fact is that in Rome give to to

 

18:56
Rome what Rome wants we can use use that resource to get the housing built because they own the banks they own and control the land they can do you know here watching Trump let’s get real Trump’s in the banking thing with the world and they’re saying hey you you’re inflating the value of your property and we’re going to tell you that’s fraud when then people in the loan business say well let’s see every loan that has ever been created you want to put out your best front and it’s an opinion of

 

19:29
value yes it’s an opinion value and the that’s important to realize and some can say you overstepped but is that fraud that’s a tough line and we’re going to see it we’ve seen they said yes it is and now they’re going to vote of how much money yeah if you’re a banker you want to put out as much money as you can imagine your name is I’m going to make a name up this name may sound familiar and if it sounds familiar to you push the button call me call them tell them to

 

19:55
call me call them maybe your name is is um good fellow and maybe now there are common names we don’t want to that’s possible maybe you have way to do construction and move land and you know that if things are going here you can make a bid you’re going to but you also know that you have affiliations and there are banks that you work with they may even be relatives I don’t care if they’re relatives or not you have enough land and value to be you I want you to jump in as I’m going

 

20:24
please so you can it’s not the money Jason it isn’t you can get it’s it’s our regulations it’s our control and our grasp over the labor force of the island anywhere else in the country except for Hawaii you think you could employ the I absolutely believe because I watched uh when I when I was coaching in New Mexico I watched where a community was growing they they people were just hire a construction company they brought everything they brought their labor force and they put up home homes in 3

 

21:00
weeks Foundation up but they brought everyone with them we cannot do that in the state of Hawaii that is restricted you need to have a contractor’s license for the state of Hawaii you cannot get one without doing an internship under a licensed general contractor for five years that means we can’t bring anyone in even to play that game for five years how oh so now knowing that and talking to you guys public who needs to know that who needs to know that I’m sure govern knows that it’s a

 

21:34
protectionist we’re protectionist here I get that I believe in no but you’re that’s a longer term solution these guys on the beach by the time you pass the law and be able to put up the things you just said so I like the fact that you’re a policy you see that’s what I see your policy is good that’s where Democrats and Republicans and the others but seem to the policy and the implementation the Democrat rats like to implement but they don’t have the money they’re making play

 

22:02
money and they’re trying to implement but they don’t they’re not grounding it the Republicans say let’s ground it let’s balance it but they’re not stepping up to the plate to supply the resources right even people with huge money on the islands right now who have the money to build right now on Barren land that they’ve owned are five years in a waiting before the fire but we you know but here’s where a chance to Governor or a mayor and you know this is where I want to use Trump’s name in vain but

 

22:31
I’m not going to where someone who has power can say okay here’s the law we’re making a special law right now you can sue me if you need to we’re going to do everything to code we’re going to because we’ve got people involved here with what we’re doing but we’re going to do it so the people in charge are on the beach no no their voice is the power well but it has no power until it stops something if it stops tourism there has power power just like the actors strike right and writers that

 

23:01
stopped the industry if them being on the I didn’t miss it but that’s okay that’s me no but you’re here comic relief yeah the fact is you may not have but all the people that we’ve known that are growing up that have headphones and visual screens connected to their hands fingers the the whole world is we’re becoming lumps that sit in one place forget moving why not just have an artificial movement oh there you go oh what was that Woody Allen movie where you just go and get in a little booth

 

23:35
and takes care of your whole life Are We There Are We There Yet there another friendly name Woody Allen hey Woody yeah you could help too money influence get in touch with us all you people who are already I want to say successful that’s not fair already have resources can use them without even moving them out of those accounts your influence and what you can do can create these Solutions and we can we can balance the books give those that want the money and the income from it have that and solve the problem

 

24:15
why can’t but even people with the money Jason can’t build here’s a fiveyear waiting list again I I just wanted the Zar now as green are to I don’t want to give any single person that much power well well who do you want to how do we going to get this done now I’m we need a temporary moratorium on our our on not on any of our building codes need to set that in motion we need to put it on the ballot now who is we white man we need 1,800 signatures and put it on the ballot write it up let’s put it on the

 

24:49
ballot but again that’s not my anybody can do that Jason is that what this group I’m talking I haven’t met with them I do not know no but I’m saying do you in the in the right now what’s going to get them off the beach and get them encouraging the tourism again housing so what is there so we get to do more exploration I invited I don’t know who’s in the group I invited a Hawaiian leader a couple Hawaiian leaders I haven’t been to the west side but I’m still open invitation leaders to

 

25:22
be with us and on our show and talk about this you know I’ll even send my co-host out on a mission to your region oh golly yeah I just it we’re we’re we’re up against the wall I mean if you want to build and we want to recover we need to we need well no I think it’s a it’s it’s it’s a no-brainer we don’t we don’t have it in place that people we can bring in an entire trained crew who builds on site you know in California standards which are way higher than ours so here we are

 

25:57
we can’t do that right now we need we need to we need to make so who in our government that’s why I said it again who do you want to go see Troy hasimoto was just appointed to the Senate by Governor green now we don’t need him we can do this locally no but I’m trying he’s here locally I’m trying to tell you yeah I’m trying to tell you out there Scott keeps giving we can do who is he talking about you and I Jason well and that’s not who I’m talking about I’m

 

26:24
talking about you guys there we go you I’m a big mouth but I’m not the one with a bank I’m not the one that owns the land I need you to call me so I can say hey I just spoke to a banker you own the land here’s the plan yeah we need a central control that’s open you’ll know what I’m doing there is no such thing as we have a mayor and a whole group supposedly open to the public we have little rest of this and if it’s not working then we take stand up and take care of it see I never asked the

 

26:59
government for money I just want a way to get the message out to the people to arrange these situations that will get that building happening the mayor for example if the mayor with the knowledgeable group put together an edict to be able to do what you just said right when they do all over the country no no see you’re talking and I appreciate it you’re talking like a sensible man I’m talking like like a panicked man well if You’ got homeless on the street and I and they’re not in

 

27:33
the right Zone and they’re be they’re 76 years old and they’re treated like a dog and they get stolen from and the police know and there’s drugs all around and there’s no mental health help and there’s no housing in the place where there should be housing we need room and there’s no what is that and now we have a wildfire that creates zones now there’s the Zone one homeless The Zone 2-8 homeless you can go into zone six whoa I mean this is a new territory that’s the reason the neutral Zone’s

 

28:11
taking on a new shape I want call in to happen because you’re outraged at something I said or you’re calling in because you just spoke to Steve Goodfellow and he wants to know why I’m throwing his name around on the radio nice you know or where is where is that Ellison guy I want him to say hey the media should cover that this local guy here there’s a nice are you Republican we what am I going say I am not no okay we have this nice you’re grounded in I the way I look you’re grounded in

 

28:45
responsible respectful yeah the parties left me years ago I’m a wild card you are Jason oh yeah he’s a wild man he’s just a wild man no not but wild man you know what I think we would hear the the same thing from Good Fellas we’d hear from all the all what would they say they would say our hands are tied so here I am I’m the mayor and I’m the head of the housing people and we’re going to do this now we’re going to do it in this region 1-6 and one-2 and we’re going to

 

29:14
take this land now the answer is they dialed in all these regulations over the last 50 years so that unbridled growth would not happen on the island they were put in with well meaning things they only need to be suspended for the replacement of lost homes that’s simple we say we need to open up let are you going to help take responsibility to create this course when we leave this show well I will do my d d the reason I’m asking if when we leave this show somehow out there that audience we want to tie together this

 

29:54
idea that seemed like a real sensible idea we the public we the voice of Maui are going to do something if we do it if we don’t take this so we’re going to do this we’re going to put together a framework and then I’m going to we’ll hammer it out here on time and you have a call in line 808 873 3435 on radio I didn’t say that enough 808 873 3435 you have to get into the habit of going to Maui neutral zone.com and listen to the shows whether it’s live that’s only one hour a week but if you

 

30:32
listen to these things you will see this is a Continuum I’m a pain in the ass for a long time talking about things that are way outside the box well you know when they have a regular election who’s this Jason Schwarz oh he’s just a newscaster listen to who and what he’s talking about and you’ll see he’s not a newscaster nobody’s listening that doesn’t qualify I’m just a guy that’s talking in the corner but I’m trying to reach you but Jason you’re the green man

 

31:02
you’re you’re like okay so what I’m talking about when we bring in building a home from offshore is almost no waste when you bring in a home from offshore and build it on site every board is numbered and cut everything it’s like putting together like it can be a custom home but there’s no waste when I’m listening to you we can’t do that right now you have you the audience do you feel you did not understand when he’s talking about something from the mainland cookie

 

31:35
cutter here’s a house package they sell them well but no but that’s not allowed it still has to go through all theth no not just not you can have an absolute you can have your own design send it over have it cut it comes in he still doesn’t know the shows on and your contractor can put it together for you so it makes it quick so again where where’s the problem where’s the problem our regulations don’t allow for that we have we bring in I’m stopping it so I’m stopping

 

32:04
you who out there has the decision power if you know who has it please call me if you’re not watching and you’re someone who knows somebody who knows somebody I’m tired of be on the air for 30 years and uh nobody uh takes the time to put the pieces together we need help to get to that right somebody because Scott you and I right mostly you no but I mean if we would pick one issue yeah and that issue is housing no let’s get real well let’s get real not not the people on this those people

 

32:43
that are homeless and I God I pray for them but they were homeless before the fire we have people who have had a home on this island for Generations now who are going to be in a freaking tentas but but by doing this this way we’ll accomplish what you were wanting will have a guy like good fellow or someone who owns the land or someone who owns the right land that we want working in cooperation they will make their money they can FastTrack this and they they can have all the people working all the

 

33:15
things that you’re talking about can happen in both sectors the homelessness the renters the owners so I’m going to say to you I’m saying it to you Scott because I don’t want to Promise Too Many thinks and next week I was going to say we’ll have naked dancers but I don’t want make too we have to get people to we want you to check in with us 808 873 343 we don’t need naked dancers no this is exciting by itself you know why because you and I I don’t know if you got that I don’t

 

33:48
want to just talk about this because I could talk about regulations and I all this political stuff no we’re going to try to get down to the roots right we need to sit down what we have eight contractors on the island no no no we we I’m forgetting that we we’re we don’t need to sit down you if you want to sit that’s why I put it in your charge I don’t want to talk to a contractor I want to talk to a mayor who says yes I see there’s a need don’t push me I’m going to do something yes mayor Bon I

 

34:19
feel like you don’t need to be pushed I respect you as a judge I like decorum but I don’t like the fact that if there is something happening it isn’t public and if there’s nothing happening you got people camping on the damn Beach it’s time to get things to another level and if you’re the one that’s got to go to the people with the land not them little suck ass like Jason Schwarz on public radio who keeps trying public for 30 years you you’re the judge mayor if you get that thing and you get your

 

34:58
group to realize we’re going to do this thing and we’re going to change the rules in zone 1.6 9.3 2.4 we can fix this if we don’t and we don’t get the economy and cooperation it’ll be a smear from now forward because when when his friends in kii have more business there are all these people that had a whole different life that don’t and you don’t just rebuild Acres of stuff without changing the rules emergency means pull the rip cord you’re on the bus pull the cord pull the

 

35:38
cord stop the train do it differently but that doesn’t mean unleash building absolutely all over the island it means in the burn Zone well and we Empower people who are aware of what you just said to be the team and create the revenue see now the thing that I’m trying to go for is this isn’t the county coming up with money this is the private land owner the private developer that does land the people that have the portable different kinds of housing the people in building that FasTrack then everyone

 

36:14
knows it’s going to be done to code everyone knows this is not forever we just had a I can’t say that we had I’ll zip that one out you’re wound Today Jason this is fun no but it’s not only fun but it’s doable doable but it needs media it needs you to say he Jason can’t say that on air he said it on air now I’m going to zip it out there you’re not going to find it Scott God dang it I like oh God dang it there there you go you know well how many minutes we got a few minutes oh

 

36:51
yeah we’re doing good we’re good but now I’m going to take this is what they call a station break not only a we k a KU 88.5 FM the voice of Maui we akaku Maui Community media television for us oldsters Channel 55 we’re Maui neutral zone.com you can go to akaku dorg and you can go to Maui stream Maui stream and you’ll see where things are that’s ahead of ourselves so that as akaku is on everybody’s phone everywhere and all the music and art together and revenue comes to support

 

37:30
environmental things that are controlled and owned and all these wealthy people that have the money are going to make more money but we’re going to save the future of Maui we’re going to get things happening here that could have been happening but we need to just like these guys are on the beach what are you asking some broke ass County and state to help you with temporary things when you need to make changes like you just said to create an economy me that’s going to kick in because greed works

 

38:01
because those that have can have more it just have to use it it’s like if that’s the whole point here well we’ think lost their homes that are sitting on huge Insurance checks it can’t do we can excuse me are we screaming I I heard the voice of God oops sorry was that God I think that was if it was I’m listening but you can hear I am these Insurance checks that you’re talking about is something that I Jason Schwarz the Jew who likes Palestinians and Jews and everybody no

 

38:42
killing I’m here to say that I am sick and tired like like the guy from the network movie I am sick and tired of us talking but not doing so so here I’m taking responsibility family language from now on please thank you very much thank you oh good good family language family that was it only family I didn’t realize the family wasn’t listening I am sorry I apologize apologize I’ll do my editing I’m going to have you second listen Scott yeah but I’m very concerned I’m taking

 

39:22
that break still remember you can find this again you can hear exactly what I said oh we have time good I think it’s very important this Friday November 17th the akaku community is coming together with a Community Connection day and know we have to be joined here at akaku 333 Dairy Road from 4:30 to 7:30 it’s going to be a fantastic event with nonprofit booths live entertainment other special activities for people of all ages and of course the best part it’s free unless you want to buy

 

40:02
things you’re always welcome to but this this thing is free I don’t even know what you can buy so it might all be free but somehow we don’t know so bring your friends and fam let’s create these akaku events are something special I have never been to an akaku event that I didn’t not only have a good time but see that everyone there is so live akaku brings out the best in every we’re Public Access television the commitment from these people that work here they work at a fraction of what other people

 

40:39
in Private Industry work at in these same kind of jobs because their commitment is to local people and local television and they work their buns off and they they even correct people like me who get out of line with I’m sorry I didn’t even realize but yeah I don’t want want to use those words these are great people so Friday 4:30 to 7:30 p.m. Community Connection day at aaku 333 Dairy Road easy to find it’s behind what’s that gas station called Scott oh goodness the gas station the gas station

 

41:14
on H Dairy Road Dair Road I think there’s only there’s a couple anyway you can see that I’m really in high form today all also this weekend on Saturday the 18th oh good coming up at 7:30 at the proarts Maui is blood Diner they’re screening a cult classic horror comedy followed by a question and answer by comic book signing director Jackie Kong presented with Kong comics and Maui comics and collectibles majority of the proceeds to benefit Maui rapid response blood Diner Saturday the 18th 7:30 Pro

 

41:58
Arts Pro Arts Maui Pro Arts there in keii what a terrific job you I like to credit Lynn Maan but I also credit that whole group of amazingly inspired people that keep filling that place with Incredible stuff blood Diner Saturday night a classic classic comedy horror because I don’t know horror blood Diner I don’t know that one what that I can’t eat eat with blood can you eat in blood blood Diner is this like dinner theater well I no no but if you want to bring up something movie oh yeah yeah okay I I

 

42:37
mean I love horror genre I don’t remember this one I have to look or come it’s going to be Saturday my partner a a horror 7:30 p.m. at proarts Maui there in what do we call it AA Mala yeah yeah Mala yeah yeah that’s yeah that’s just down the street look at all this stuff on the desk they’re going to eat up the time that’s all right we have Maui Maul has an April 2024 art of trash that is ahead of itself oh that’s fine yeah that I went this year it’s so much fun when you see cuz it isn’t

 

43:11
really trash one man’s treasure is another man’s absolutely didn’t who is that Paul Simon he’s here now one man’s ceiling is another man’s floor wasn’t that a Paul Simon song that Paul Simon song well now I one man heing is another man’s floor I think it is oh it’s a New York Paul if you’re out there please check in in fact we’ll move another chair in Scott heill he would share chairs with you but you can sit on my lap or you know Edie Briel I remember

 

43:48
you guys Edie if you’re out there Poppy Morgan used to live here Poppy Morgan owned Great American food and beverage where you used to work there with Katie Seagal there at Lena be now I don’t know if you were together with Paul then see like the history that what happened there’s a thing on Netflix now that about what’s happening in 1971 it’s like walking into my life as I watched this film that’s where I was I was my whole life then that film blew me away oh my gosh well you know it’s

 

44:18
really interesting that’s when singer songwriters took over and where I who wanted to sing other people’s songs kind of got mared marginalized I you ever I never told you I I actually met him uh in clima park one time when I was walking Paul yeah that was a while ago I had sat down next to this guy and and I chatted with him you know I was just kind of having one of those like you know we walk together we used and I just chatted with this guy and then about three months later I saw the Netflix

 

44:49
thing and I went holy that was that guy yeah it was that guy hey you can’t say that excuse me holy darn that was that’s a contraction that’s a new word but we won’t we won’t go there weit yeah I was like oh my goodness Scott that’s the reason we’re putting it through the second time after I edit it you’re going to find where in the track you’ll find the time and we’ll edit that spot oh my but but the audience you the audience you will know the intention but our good

 

45:20
intentions are not to here kuua for Maui shop and show Aloha Maui Ohana maui.com kukua Maui Nei everybody’s asking for money should we ask for money we’d like to ask for money too but we’re not going to ask formally because here from Maui first Maui Ney first is that it is the county ask see the county asks for money everybody wants Mone everybody wants but we don’t we want to give money through jobs cre created through our Investment Partners who own the land who own the construction who

 

46:02
can get this housing happening we want to be able to get the laws changed and remember I’m Rec laws that’s just it they’re regulations well we’re I’m reconfirming that we’re going to jump on that issue okay okay well I mean I I will go to battle on that one I I when I I faed that up on the farm that will that will cement your place as co host oh golly I don’t know I got to get my language under control sometime then we’re going to send you out in the field I’m going to get a

 

46:35
spanking out you’re big enough I’m going to send you out in the field to go you see I’m afraid that I’m a little guy now with a name like Schwarz no matter what I do how the Schwarz be with you well it says I’m Jewish and I’m proud and just because I’m Jewish doesn’t mean I want to kill anyone or anyone should hate me because cuz I’m not ever been to Israel I’ve heard it’s great I Christians say it’s great Muslim I it’s on my list yeah I have a list but it’s not on my list

 

47:06
but I am on a list of peace and I wish the fighting would stop but I wish I had control I hope fighting would stop in turkey and in bangad everywhere it’s all over the world no but we’re doing our best to show cooperation at a level here that shows that wealthy people and and Wealthy by finances that have land and finances can still get richer by being able to implement things in an emergency if can you imagine 30 year do do a lease option to buy do Equity sharing with renters with homeowners we

 

47:46
we can establish all kinds of things that can reestablish and change that we can get the people that have houses to be able to rebuild we can the thing with FEMA and the insurance insurance companies you know how we can straighten that one out we’re going to all sue the insurance companies well you have to sue the federal government well you can you sue the federal government no and there lies the problem so we’re going to have to change the federal government that’s everything was put into place for

 

48:14
a good reason but we have an emergency well again emergency you know years anytime you enact emergency powers like they did after 9/11 we are still fighting with those emergency Powers with the loss of freedoms and Liberties because we’re being spied on or we’re being looked after well I like the idea of being aggressive at this I think this is something that’s doable absolutely do you guys think it’s doable I hope the answer is yes because the way this is happening we’re going to be looking and

 

48:46
asking you to call in 808 873 3435 808 874 590 Maui neutral zone did I say that enough times Aloha swim lessons.com there you go this guy has been my savior I am actually starting to walk I me he’s doing great he scares me he jumps in the pool and I’m like Jason I don’t even jump in the pool well you know I’ve watched Arnold Schwarzenegger and uh what’s the other guy Jason mimoa these guys how can I be afraid of all the things in the world if I can’t jump in so you can’t dive in you have to jump

 

49:27
in yeah you have to jump in and I figure when you’re out in the ocean you get chilled and you got no choice but to be there here I could chicken out and jump out if I had enough energy but I don’t but when I jump in it’s like an exhilaration piece oh yeah there it it’s an adrenal I mean it’s like that ice bass that everybody’s talking about I hav not done that I’ve done I’ve done polar swims but I’ve I was much younger I hear they’re wonderful oh at the mankind project weekend some guy brought

 

49:53
one of those ice I want to say ice chest oh neat you know what it’s like to see naked men jumping in ice this is not fun they turn into naked women everybody doesn’t realize I’m on the air do M chasing you see we always wonder who’s listening the answer is tell somebody tell somebody they all have and the next time I come I feel I bad I forgot to grab my flyer my daughter is champing a cause Wildland firefighters have an emergency State and not lose 50% of their pay I want to be

 

50:26
able to do that in more detail yeah we’ve got to do that on detail she’s the she’s a point person for the entire country well give us a short hit that’s important right now well back uh back during coid Wildland firefighters got a emergency bump in pay which still they’re below their necessary pay r a federal that are federal firefighters Wildland firefighters and this is what’s crucial to Maui all right we don’t have Federal Wildland firefighters here but Wildland firefighters on the off season

 

50:56
go out and do fire protection on the offseason and that’s my son-in-law and they go out and they were almost they were just about until about two weeks ago I’m going to take a 50% pay cut whoa yeah so we need to ensure that our Wildland firefighters and our Wildland Land Management people who do barrier protection that do all that stuff are getting paid correctly I mean where my daughter lives in um cuato New Mexico there’s 680 people and that’s the larger than the entire island of Maui in a

 

51:32
county and their Federal Protection people that work in the fire protection there are basically all that’s it besides the small town fire department are they volunteers well there’s volunteers no no they now the these are 680 paid people no 680 residents of a county that’s the size of Maui that has huge huge open lands so they it’s you know back in the wild west when you’d see the fires that would cross the Prairies and the woodlands they’re all at stand between that and

 

52:03
running fires into some of the larger cities of New Mexico that’s wow when those funds were cut up in Paradise California where there the the fire that destroyed Paradise we had a f we have a family here in M Liv up country that moved here after the paradise fire and then had a flood up country I feel so sorry for those folks but we need to manage the that the barriers between our lands and it used to be on island that all of Baldwin cnh Dole everybody managed the barriers between our lands

 

52:35
that was their off season when they weren’t picking and they weren’t doing anything else they were doing fire protection did you hear in this morning’s news that a Hawaiian Electric said that they turned off the power at 6:38 a.m on the day of was there yeah the power then it got turned turned on later wait until this thing is heating up this whole story so we all let me just see how many minutes I think it says eight does that say eight yeah I got seven on my watch yeah okay so so somewhere in there let’s good yeah this

 

53:11
story which you know where you hear on me I don’t what I I was going to say the word but I can’t I don’t know if it’s on that list they complain that’s in simp work yeah but there are so many things that are going on but notice we didn’t stop at complaint no we not only proposed what we think should be done but we also committed to starting that initiative to make it happen and bring it back to these guys to continue because we expect in the meantime you’re going to do your part to be in touch

 

53:45
with us and we expect no matter when you see this to be in touch with us let’s form a net together we are Unbreakable the people on the beach we’re going to work and see if we can help satisfy things through doing things that we can help assist to make what your quest is happen ours is tangible it’s something we can work on and propose and then maybe propose to the public through the people on the beach and others and take this to another level and you know what they’ll say what’s the r in in uh Bush n Scott

 

54:26
arush no cuz now you’re going to be famous because what you’re just committing to take on Scott here to notice how I switched this from we’re going to yeah we there where’s that we in your pocket Jason I don’t know no but I I know that I’m committed to this it’s it’s a it’s a great cause because I know that this cause it you know I think it’s very selfish but it’s very appropriate we’re going to be helping people on a gross level the individual will be

 

54:52
helped but we’re going to be helping set in motion the change that can move a lot of things in motion so that’s why I say I’m going to commit to this everything in our success in doing this will lay the groundwork for the next piece of our Runway so that these planes to a better future can take off that thinks of all of us together and realizes when I’m talking it is us people whether you’re the one on the beach or whether you’re the one in the hotel or whether you’re

 

55:22
the one in the house or whether you’re the one that we we are strong we’re not only Lina strong we are Maui strong we are dream Maui that’s why I put on the page it says Lina strong Maui strong dream Maui pound dream Maui I just don’t know what that pound stuff’s about because the vision of an integrated self-sustained Community model that we live in is real and it is timely and I now have my first drafted recruit oh was I drafted this volunteer see I I think I drafted you I

 

56:01
hope so this is we need some people we need contractors in here who know this inside and out bring them with you next time we we’ll see if we can get that done because that’s it and that in the meantime if we structure what you said which is well we only have 25 seconds Scott Bush no it’s been F SCH my God I know they stole a little at the beginning from us because they ran the show twice but we’ll get it right 1 2 3 4 we are going to get going on thank you for joining us it’s been a pleasure we

 

56:37
have a few seconds at the end this is Jason Schwarz and Scott Bushell at the neutral zone check it out we’ll see you next time aloha aloha
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