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TNZ- 240429- Jason Schwartz conversation with Scott R Bushnell about Current Events. After 9 shows on Olowalu, Jason laments on the direction our society is taking. Scott shares a more positive perspective.
Summary & Timestamped Full Transcript below
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Introduction and Context Setting
Jason Schwartz, host of The Neutral Zone on KAKU 88.5 FM and Akaku Maui Community Media, opens the show by welcoming longtime field correspondent and guest Scott Bushnell. They briefly discuss the ongoing controversy regarding the potential use of Olalo as a site to dump toxic ash—a subject Scott has been following since its inception. Despite official statements from local government leaders, Scott stresses that federal agencies like the EPA and FEMA have overriding authority and strict regulations that must be followed, reflecting a common frustration with bureaucratic rigidity nationwide.
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[02:03 → 05:08]
Toxic Ash Disposal and Community Response
Scott references farmer and scientist Eddie Garcia who documents environmental issues, including ash disposal, through drone footage and social media. The show has hosted numerous experts—scientists, public health officials, and cultural leaders—highlighting alternative ash removal methods. However, these alternatives are expensive, and government funding for them is lacking. FEMA has set deadlines for residents to sign up for alternative ash removal but will not subsidize the costs, effectively limiting options for individuals. Scott suggests that local government should allocate budget funds to support healthier disposal methods, but so far, no action has been taken. The conversation touches on apathy and economic strain (inflation) diminishing public engagement. -
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Emerging Clean Fuel Technologies and Historical Innovations
Scott shifts focus to new research on zero or low-emission fuel technologies, which he describes as revolutionary and open-sourced, particularly from diamond research linked to Tesla-related innovations. Contrary to common understanding, some new carburetor modifications can enable combustion engines to produce oxygen rather than pollution, drastically reducing emissions and potentially generating clean air. Scott notes that such technology could transform energy production, allowing for long-lasting fuel supplies (e.g., cars that only need refueling every decade) and even oxygen generation on other planets. He highlights how ancient technologies, such as the geometric dimensions of the Giza pyramids, relate to airflow movement and energy efficiency, suggesting a lost scientific knowledge that modern society is beginning to rediscover.
Michael Smith, a guest at a Tesla conference, is mentioned for converting yard waste into energy, a scalable green technology. Despite the clear benefits, these innovations face resistance from entrenched economic interests controlling the fossil fuel market and media narratives.
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[09:48 → 16:34]
Media Control, Political Influence, and Energy Industry Challenges
Jason and Scott discuss how mass media, historically controlled by a few networks, has expanded into a complex system of social media and digital platforms, now dominated by powerful corporate and financial entities (e.g., BlackRock, the Trilateral Commission). These groups influence public opinion and market dynamics, often suppressing disruptive technologies. The electric vehicle (EV) market is used as an example: the environmental benefits of EVs are complicated by the unresolved problem of recycling heavy batteries, which will become a major landfill issue in the future. Automakers are now pivoting toward hydrogen fuel vehicles, which align better with sustainability goals.
The conversation touches on the broader implications of AI and automation, which threaten to displace millions of jobs, analogous to previous industrial revolutions. There is concern about society’s preparedness for these shifts and the social consequences of technological unemployment.
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Technological Revolutions and Societal Adaptation
Scott compares current AI-driven changes to past revolutions—from steam engines to automobiles—that transformed labor and lifestyle. While technology advances rapidly, societal adaptation is slower and uneven. There is skepticism about whether people fully grasp or are ready for the changes AI will bring. The younger generation is partly engaged, with many working in tech-related fields, but many still face challenges finding meaningful employment that uses new technology.
Jason shares personal experiences about navigating the digital economy, including job search scams and the commodification of content creation through AI tools. They lament the loss of physical media (photo albums, CDs) and reflect on the fragility of digital memory storage, underscoring a loss of tangible cultural artifacts.
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Preserving Cultural Memory and Future Prospects
The hosts discuss the value of physical media preservation as a backup against digital failures, with Scott emphasizing the importance of holding onto “comfort food” movies and data. They muse on the potential of AI to enhance human cognition but acknowledge uncertainty about how quickly such transformations will occur and whether they can stem environmental degradation. The conversation returns to the theme of rediscovering ancient knowledge and integrating it with modern science to address planetary challenges, including oxygen regeneration and climate change mitigation. -
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Social Unrest, Media Narratives, and Political Polarization
Scott and Jason reflect on the surge of social and political unrest witnessed in recent decades, comparing the 1960s riots with today’s campus protests and extremist movements. They express alarm over the rise of anti-Semitism disguised as other political causes and the media’s failure to provide comprehensive coverage. The discussion touches on political rhetoric around election violence and misinformation, highlighting how media editing can distort political messages. They note the significant influx of new unregistered voters, raising questions about electoral integrity and the complexity of the current political landscape. -
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Election Integrity and Political System Challenges
The conversation delves into voter ID laws, the challenges of purging voter rolls, and the potential for voter fraud due to outdated registration lists. They critique the influence of special interest money in campaigns and the systemic vulnerabilities that can be exploited. Despite these issues, both hosts express faith in the general honesty of American voters. They lament the loss of direct legislative discourse, noting how media-driven polarization prevents constructive debate in Congress. The post-9/11 Patriot Act is cited as an example of rushed legislation with lasting consequences, including the lack of regulation on subliminal advertising on digital platforms. -
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Media Influence and Fragmentation of Environmental Movements
Scott and Jason discuss the overwhelming presence of subliminal advertising and the fragmentation of environmental advocacy groups, which compete for limited resources and influence. This splintering diminishes their ability to enact significant change. They also comment on how social media platforms enable rapid dissemination of conflicting information, complicating public understanding of complex issues. -
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Gender Identity, Medical Issues, and Environmental Health
The hosts address the controversial topic of gender reassignment, clarifying medical distinctions between gender identity and intersex conditions (individuals born with both male and female genitalia). They note how media coverage often misrepresents these issues, fueling cultural confusion. Scott hypothesizes that environmental toxins and medications may contribute to chromosomal and developmental changes across generations, a concern linked to broader public health challenges. -
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Societal Despair, Right-to-Die Movement, and Demographic Changes
Scott expresses deep frustration with environmental and political inertia, questioning how widespread corruption and financial interests block meaningful solutions. The discussion turns somber as they consider the right-to-die movement gaining traction, with some individuals legally pursuing assisted death due to chronic illness or declining quality of life. This raises ethical and social questions about aging, healthcare, and personal autonomy amid economic hardship and societal neglect.
They also examine global population trends, noting that while some Western countries promote population reduction, nations like China, India, and parts of Africa continue to grow rapidly. China’s expanding influence in Africa through infrastructure projects (the “Silk Road”) is identified as a form of modern colonialism, raising geopolitical concerns.
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Economic Pressures, Family Structures, and Local Food Security
Scott reflects on how economic and pandemic-related disruptions may force people to relocate closer to family and form cooperative living arrangements with shared resources such as community gardens. He highlights Hawaii’s unique position as one of the few U.S. states capable of local food self-sufficiency in a collapse scenario, contrasting it with states like California that depend heavily on industrial agriculture and fossil fuels. The need for sustainable local food systems is framed as both a necessity and an inevitable shift. -
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Closing Reflections on AI, Societal Fragmentation, and Hope
In closing, Scott and Jason muse on AI’s potential to revolutionize the human mind and society, but also acknowledge widespread confusion and skepticism about its implications. They discuss societal fragmentation, the tendency for people to retreat into small communities or “clans,” and the commercialization and sensationalism driving media content. Despite these challenges, the tone ends on a note of camaraderie and shared inquiry, with Scott’s characteristic rants providing candid insights into complex contemporary issues.
Key Insights and Themes
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Toxic Ash Disposal: Lack of government funding for alternative, healthier disposal methods forces individuals to bear high costs; local government inaction contributes to frustration.
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Clean Fuel Technologies: Advanced, open-source technologies could revolutionize fossil fuel use by enabling oxygen-producing combustion engines, yet face resistance from entrenched economic interests.
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Media and Political Influence: Corporate and financial powers manipulate information flows, shaping public opinion and stifling disruptive innovations.
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Environmental and Social Challenges: Concerns over pollution, population dynamics, and geopolitical shifts (e.g., China’s expansion into Africa) underscore global instability.
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Technological Revolutions: AI and automation herald a new era with potential job displacement and societal transformation, but public awareness and adaptation lag behind.
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Cultural Memory and Digital Fragility: The shift from physical to digital media raises questions about data preservation and cultural continuity.
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Election Integrity: Voter registration issues and special interest money complicate democratic processes; media polarization undermines legislative discourse.
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Health and Identity: Media misrepresentation of gender and intersex issues reflects broader societal misunderstandings linked to environmental health.
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Right-to-Die Movement: Increasingly visible in response to aging, illness, and economic hardship, raising ethical dilemmas.
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Community and Sustainability: Economic pressures may drive renewed localism, cooperative living, and food self-sufficiency, especially in isolated regions like Hawaii.
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AI and Societal Future: AI offers both hope and uncertainty; societal fragmentation and commercial imperatives challenge cohesive progress.
Timeline of Major Topics
| Timestamp | Topic | Summary |
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| 00:00 – 02:03 | Introduction & Olowalu Ash Issue | Overview of toxic ash dumping controversy; federal vs. local authority |
| 02:03 – 05:08 | Ash Disposal Alternatives | High cost of alternatives; government deadlines; lack of public engagement |
| 05:08 – 09:48 | Clean Fuel & Ancient Tech | Open-source oxygen-producing engine tech; ancient geometry and airflow; Tesla conference |
| 09:48 – 16:34 | Media Control & EV Battery Problems | Corporate media influence; EV battery recycling challenges; hydrogen as future fuel |
| 16:34 – 24:40 | Tech Revolutions & Digital Economy | AI job displacement; digital content creation; loss of physical media; data fragility |
| 24:40 – 27:48 | Cultural Memory & Future Tech | Importance of physical backups; AI’s potential; rediscovery of ancient knowledge |
| 27:48 – 31:30 | Social Unrest & Political Polarization | Campus protests; rising anti-Semitism; election violence rhetoric; voter influx concerns |
| 31:30 – 38:44 | Election Integrity & Legislative Gridlock | Voter ID, fraud vulnerabilities; loss of constructive political debate; post-9/11 legislation |
| 38:44 – 41:47 | Media Influence & Environmental Fragmentation | SPLintered environmental groups; media-driven confusion and polarization |
| 41:47 – 44:50 | Gender Identity & Environmental Health | Medical clarifications; environmental toxins impacting genetics |
| 44:50 – 50:30 | Right-to-Die Movement & Demographic Shifts | Assisted death legalities; population control debates; China’s global influence |
| 50:30 – 53:50 | Economic Pressures & Food Security | Family relocation; cooperative living; Hawaii’s food self-sufficiency potential |
| 53:50 – 56:38 | AI, Societal Fragmentation & Hope | AI’s unknown impact; societal clannishness; media sensationalism; closing reflections |
Glossary of Terms
| Term | Definition / Explanation |
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| Olalo | Proposed site for toxic ash disposal in Maui, central to environmental debates. |
| FEMA | Federal Emergency Management Agency, involved in disaster-related decisions. |
| EPA | Environmental Protection Agency, regulatory authority over pollution standards. |
| Diamond Tech | Advanced technologies linked to diamond research, focused on clean energy. |
| Tesla Conference | Event discussing Nikola Tesla’s technologies and modern applications. |
| Subliminal Advertising | Hidden or subtle advertising influencing consumers subconsciously. |
| Right-to-Die Movement | Advocacy for legal assisted death for terminally ill or suffering individuals. |
| Silk Road (Modern) | China-led infrastructure and trade initiative expanding into Africa. |
| Voter ID Laws | Legal requirements for voters to present identification at polls. |
| AI (Artificial Intelligence) | Technology enabling machines to perform tasks requiring human intelligence. |
Summary
This episode of The Neutral Zone is a wide-ranging discussion touching on environmental crises, technological innovation, political dysfunction, and social transformation. Scott Bushnell provides insights into the ongoing toxic ash disposal controversy in Maui, highlighting governmental shortcomings and the high costs faced by residents seeking healthier alternatives. The conversation then expands into cutting-edge clean fuel technologies, including oxygen-producing engines and ancient engineering principles, which face suppression by entrenched economic interests and manipulated media narratives.
The hosts address the growing influence of corporate and financial power in shaping public opinion and policy, noting the complications in electric vehicle sustainability and the looming societal impacts of AI-driven automation. They reflect on cultural shifts from physical to digital media, social unrest and political polarization, election integrity challenges, and the fragmentation of environmental advocacy.
Health and identity issues are discussed with nuance, correcting misconceptions about gender reassignment and linking environmental toxins to genetic changes. The sobering realities of the right-to-die movement and global demographic shifts, including China’s expanding influence in Africa, are explored. Economic pressures are seen driving a return to localism, family cohesion, and food sustainability, especially in geographically isolated regions like Hawaii.
The episode closes with reflections on AI’s potential to revolutionize human cognition and society, tempered by concerns about fragmentation, misinformation, and the challenges of collective action. Despite pervasive frustrations, the dialogue maintains a hopeful undercurrent about human adaptability and the possibility of rediscovering lost knowledge to address planetary crises.
Overall, the episode underscores the complexity of contemporary challenges, the interplay of technology and power, and the urgent need for informed, collective engagement to navigate an uncertain future.
FULL Timestamped Transcript
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[Music] well well good morning Aloha it’s the neutral zone it’s Monday at 11 o00 thank you for joining us well good morning everyone I’m going to take these headphones off yeah I feel a little encumbered it’s funny listening to the headphones and sometimes they capture it sometimes they overwhelm you you know I’m Jason Schwartz your host we’re at KAKU 88.5 FM the voice of Maui Simulcast on akaku Maui Community media TV channel 55 on cable you can find all our shows at Maui
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neutral zone.com everything lives up on YouTube so you can just put neutral zone Maui Jason Schwartz any of the guests as they there or just have some fun and go up and look at some of our old shows in fact we have have I guess we’re about 175 or more of the neutral zone and maybe gosh 800 other shows that we’ve done in the past we’ve been doing this for 30 years that amazing 30 years 30 years I have a guest that many of you know he’s our field correspondent and a general man about
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town Scott R BushNell welcome back into the studio Scott thank you Jason Miss Miss showing up every once in a while it’s been a long time well you going have to just come on in and whenever you feel just you’re always welcome here thank you you probably have uh noticed you brought the subject to me when it was a gleam in the eye of people that maybe they were going to use olalo as a sight to dump the ash that we then have discovered so much about right and uh you know you let me know that no
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matter what the mayor says no matter what the governor says if they want money they have to follow I don’t want to say the Gusto that’s not fair the oh no I think I think you’re right on target there yeah the Environmental Protection Agency and FEMA and whole group yeah and if it don’t do it their way it’s my way of the highway yeah and that’s just that’s the mess we’re in everywhere well acoss the country it’s a crazy time I um I’ve seen Eddie Garcia was on our show he’s a
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farmer and I want to say scientist Living Earth Systems up on Instagram you’ll see many posts that he does and they’re helping people learn how to live in small spaces and grow around their own places naturally and and he’s been continually following what’s been going on there there in the west and uh a lot of people have but he’s been Faithfully putting up drone videos and showing there’s still doing the same thing and you can you who watch our show and listen to our show
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know that we’ve brought on scientists that have shown Alternatives and we’ve had Department of Health on and we’ve had everybody on cultural leaders and we come back to the same thing uh still happening and um you know it’s very possible that I will be way dead when the ramifications of those really are seen but we know what’s happening I’m surprised that we don’t have you know when we see the the wars going around the world and we see at the college campuses all the protest about all the
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killing and all the stuff going on and we’re having it here and it’s our own fault we’re creating our own catastrophe you know would you as a private citizen pay for uh removing this toxic Ash in a different way well many people can’t afford that I don’t know how much they got from FEMA but they can’t afford to box it up and put it in containers even if they kept it on their own land and it gets to be very expensive but the government won’t pay for it they now have officially said you have until a
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certain date to sign up for alternative removal of that Ash yeah that was that was their silencing technique I think yeah well they’ve acknowledged that you could do it for yourself and you have to get in touch with them and follow the rules but they won’t pay for it yeah I think that that would be uh something that the county should say hey we’re going to put it in our budget we put a lot of stuff in our budget we’re g to we’re going to put in in the budget something that’s an alternative healthy
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way but I haven’t heard back from anyone and I’ve submitted these shows you know I people have said to me from around the world and I had a one I read today the fact that you have so few views there’s got to be something going on someone’s got to be stopping I don’t know I think apathy and people being overwhelmed with this inflation no I’m not a big spender I imagine you’re also we know we very careful in our we live Frugal very frugal always have and yet I’m finding
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there’s more month than the end of my money and I am just shocked that uh that we are where we are now but I spent last week I called it a rant did you guys think some A Guy Brad came up to me at church and said I loved your show last week it was just you and you were there just like I felt like I was just going on and on about you were a bit unchecked last week when I was unchecked yeah that’s it you didn’t have anybody there to slow you down I couldn’t well thank you what’s been the big thing for you
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this week Scott you know I’ve been you know I’m this whole new zero point um uh fossil fuel and The more I’ve been researching into this that it’s actually maybe not fossil fuel but there was a period in our geologic history where this where our what we call fossil fuel is layered down and it takes me back my grandfather who was a engineer and a diesel mechanic said that they had and this was he was a mechanic uh engineer Consolidated for like 40 years and back in the 30s and 40s um he was he was
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telling my dad yet in when I was young I was hearing it that they could create diesel engines and Transmissions that basically ran on almost no pollutant a gallon gallon of fuel and when you burn fossil fuel it creates oxygen and if you just kind of step and hold back at that second for a okay wait if we burn fossil fuel it’s going to create more oxygen for the Earth wait a minute now they have a new technology at of diamond research and it’s it’s open source so you can find it pretty much
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everywhere that we can take a standard gasoline or diesel engine reconfigure its burn and carburation systems that when we use it it creates oxygen clean clean I mean super clean oxy versus creating pollution and there are devices that you can put into the carburetor system this output is water much lower yes like you know you’ve heard me talk about hydrogen and H but the guy that makes the the guts of that system has devices that go onto automobiles absolutely and G so all this stuff is I don’t know why it’s not
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getting out there in the I I I think I think we’re on the verge or a precipice of precipice precipice that’s a good we’re at that point where okay the way we’re burning our fuel is so inefficient that all this technology that people have just have created over the last 75 years what has which the ruling people and the money people have just said no no this we can’t use this it’ll upset the economy now we’re at that Tipping Point where it’s like if I I have a generator on my back
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porch uh it can generate everything I need for my house and just create fresh air whoa wait okay and part of this technology when it comes to the 51.8 uh when they move air and move hydrocarbons through angled intake and EXT take that have the same dimensions as the Giza Pyramids we actually are creating using ancient technology they’re finding out that there was more to this maybe Tesla back in his a 100 years ago was on to something but what you said is really a really big thing to say that when we
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look back into history and we say how did they move these huge blocks that that the technologies that were understood then haven’t been translated in through the years or something has happened where the things that made all these amazing things happen more than just psychic power lifting oh yeah there was science there were science behind it yeah and how do you align perfectly with the Stars you know with uh you know Hunter gathers gathering together well we’re going to build a pyramid back then people just
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wanted to eat have children no they didn’t want to build a massive pyramid so yeah there there was there’s a conference in Albuquerque New Mexico called the Tesla conference and people like one of your friends that does the uh recycla of greens yeah Michael Smith Michael Smith yeah he he was part of that conference and it’s the technology that’s coming about is just scary good scary good yeah but m Smith’s technology just taking yard waste basically or clippings and turning it into energy is
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brilliant if you just kind of move that farther to ahead and we take fossil fuels which you know is that layer of the Earth that’s like grease and we can do the same thing but it’s 10,000 times more efficient so can you imagine when you buy a car you you get a fill up every 10 years we’re we’re getting close wow we’re getting close yeah but who’s going to put that on the market and eliminate what sector of the economy is fuel on that fuel I what I think is so so amazing right now is that 20 years
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ago you could stifle that at technology because there was only ABC NBC and CBS cuz the media wasn’t had control but now now when they open source it all of a sudden it’s like wait a minute it’s like what Oppenheimer said if you ever read any of um oppenheimer’s books he wanted to free source which was that he I don’t know if he coined that word or not but it was in his memoirs about everyone needs this technology so we can all the scientists can know how to use it and use it
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better and I think we’re there I think because these new inventors who realize they have something that’s so Cutting Edge are open sourcing on these forums you can’t put the genie back in the bottle here it’s wait a minute uh I like the fact that we can’t put the genie back in the bottle I’m still not convinced that uh people are aware how important it is for them to be part of the push to get those implemented because I think the political system here and I don’t know exactly
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someone talked about the Chinese not the Chinese the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles okay we need we need our heroes to get out there and stop some of these people from holding in place things that are strictly money interests oh yeah well look look at the Edison Tesla fight over alternating current versus DC now you can look back and it’s it’s part of History it’s hasn’t stopped that conflict whether Tesla had a better idea but Edison knew how to play Congress he knew how to sell if Tesla would have had
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that skill set we’d be living in a different world today so but back then it was just like oh I don’t I my refrigerator gets cold you know that whole everything has just opened up that frightens and it frightens government and it should it better yeah but I think that when it frightens the government again every interest is a special interest because the government in theory is just all of us right right so that’s the problem I I think it’s but what my political science hat on here which was my first love here
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it is here it is okay so there was a time uh senators and Representatives relied solely on the lobby to inform them on legislation and for member of the lobby yeah they wield lots of money and they donate a lot but it it 30 years ago they had the informational power to make sure Representatives got their side of the of what needed to be said and now big money black rock all those power huge you know the trilateral commission that whole new Universal world power can control the media they can control social media and
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they can sway opinion with no information or no science they can convince you to buy Tide over gain laundry detergent and they’ve been honing that technology to convince you that this candidate is bad that candidate is good this isn’t happening there’s nothing to see here and it just it hasn’t stopped they’ve wielded this power because if they can move the market and and this is becoming more and more obvious today with the electric car market they thought wow this is good nothing bad comes out of a tailpipe of a
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car but nobody stood up and said hey wait uh we don’t even know how to recycle our batteries we have today properly and now you’re putting 2,000 lbs in every car so in 15 years what are we going to do whoa that hit home hard so Toyota uh Ford Chevy coming around and most of them now have all switched their EV car production to hydrogen so we’ll be using hydrogen instead of creating this massive landfill of dead B batter sit well and they they only go into hydrogen why don’t they just put a bucket of water in
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the back and use it as fuel cuz that’s basically what they’re doing well basically I’m just waiting for it to happen there we’re there you know and the the the health you know we think of it as fuel but when we also realize the health implications of that same technology yeah and what it can do well we able upset the iCal industry well upset the fuel industry well AI is doing it’s taking away they said it’s going to be taking 300 million jobs well well so did the steam engine well we’re we’re there we
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had here we are what are we going to do with all these people if we had all the people now with with more and more free time right but they have to figure out how to survive because here we are we’re the only creature in the world that has to work to survive was that crazy will you think about the revolutions we’ve had just hundred and some years ago where Fulton steam it powered cotton to Chin took you know a 100 people out of the cotton factories or 200 people out of and it’s just progressed we had this
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machine technology Revolution uh uh a backo can dig what a 200 men would take to dig in a day a back can do in minutes that took jobs away now we’re in uh a revolution not an not a mechanical Revolution but a a a technology a brain Revolution we improve the human body by making steam shovels we made cars instead of horses now we’re going to make increased technology for the human brain well what do we I love that but I really have a problem with you know garbage in garbage out I don’t see
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people who understand that this is happening getting a different kind of a perspective on their lives and what they would do with their time and how they might do things in a different and better way I don’t see that happening I think our younger generation which you know we’re removed from like my kids um their 30s and such I think they’re seeing something only a couple of them work in that uh the most of them are in the technology industry or information industry um but a couple are in that
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labor force and yeah I think that’s going to impact them yeah but they’re also they’re people are creating new tools for absolutely everything every day I’m concerned I mean yeah I’m concerned about until we get there this is a rough road I think it’s a process though like us you know when we want to find a job you say okay well let’s see what jobs there are around well the pay uh we work full-time at three of those jobs we’ll be able to have a life on Maui exactly
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wait a minute so our whole time and then we look for the jobs and the the pay is low there’s no need for too much if any technology or and then you’ll say okay I’m going to work online I’m going to work from home and you start looking for jobs online and you see these things that talk about jobs and you click on the links and here come people who want to send you lists of jobs you wonder well why are they putting all that stuff up maybe they’re getting paid per click on how many eyeballs see their ad but
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their ad leads you to a cycle of nothing and you wonder well what is happening but then if you keep this is me you keep looking at them all and you see where they’re leading you and that everyone has courses to teach you how to do these things but they don’t how show you how to Mark they don’t show you how to Market it without money right or without you know let’s use this tool and rewrite this article that already exists where this we hope came from someone who is an expert that has the knowledge and all
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the footnotes and all the things that make it get right citations and let’s throw it in the hopper with AI and come out with a new article and then sell it but don’t sell a physical book sell an ebook so you can just send them a link and uh you can just keep I I I I I’m sorry I’ve been using ebooks for 20 years I just love them no I I don’t mind ebooks what I mind is the fact that physical products are becoming online products I used to have photo albums now I have 40,000 pictures and no photo
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albums oh yeah right there on your phone right there on my phone yeah but then one glitch I lost 25,000 pictures oh my my whole early life and all the things I was doing all gone because I thought I don’t need this stuff anymore I’ve got it backed up and three different technology leaps in the last remember cassettes then was a record then records became cassettes became eight tracks became I don’t remember CDs oh yeah DVDs now I still have my iPod in my safe that uh has uh my entire album
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collection for my entire life Wow on one iPod that used to it used to be walls of CDs yeah right there and that’s a 20-year-old iPod now hopefully the uh cord that you use will still uh be able to actually actually you know because it was like well this is 160 gigabyte or whatever and um I actually took it into the computer guys right around the corner they’re not there anymore another covid loss business and they cloned it for me and put it on a flash drive and I actually had them put it on three flash
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drives so I’ve got it in three different places so you it could all go away but and you know I actually ran into someone yesterday who I know who said don’t tell anyone you walk in his house his walls are covered with shelves of of DVDs yeah be real popular if everything we lose the internet and then I always look at that stuff and I think to myself why do people have this thing about wanting to keep it that’s why brother hold it and collect it someone maybe tell me why that’s a
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big deal I you know we have at home we have I think about 40 Blu-rays of this like I call them comfort food movies those movies where you’re just not feeling right in the afternoon and you want a toasted cheese sandwich and a bowl of tomato soup and put this movie on you feel good I’m thinking okay if the technology just craps out I got an old player in the closet dust it off plug it into the TV and like we can still watch movies if necessary but not like my my brother Bob has walls and
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walls yeah and he did the same thing you did he accidentally went oops I shouldn’t have pushed that button but you know some friends helped them they recovered it but yeah yeah that that’s the thing I had it all on computer I didn’t have it backed up in physical form and then when you talk to the technology people it’s so easy for them to say okay we’ll just have to wipe that device clean and then you’ll have a great new device what about all the information out of Dev device what about
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that yeah yeah we’re we’re at this new in Revolution but it’s in there we we improve the human body by making steam shovels we made diggers we made building things now we’re going to have the next Revolution will be of the mind I hope so yeah yeah I I totally believe that uh it’s it’s still unknown it was all Voodoo and smoking mirrors and oh that’s just Alchemy maybe Alchemy maybe Alchemy is some science we haven’t discovered so and I’m looking at this zero zero carbon emission making
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actually this is really crazy technology it’s on diamond Tech and it’s open sourced uh through the Tesla group but this might be the answer to create an atmosphere on another planet using ancient technology creating an atmosphere creating an atmosphere on a sphere that does not have an atmosphere like re putting there is air on Mars there’s not enough for us to breathe but with this technology if you take it out maybe 30 years maybe we can generate oxygen on on another world and maybe this will be
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able to clean our entire oxygen system because we’ve been we in we’ve discovered fire and then we learned how to boil water then we made a steam engine then we learned a new way to boil water with electric or with gas and oil and then we learned how to make it with electricity from the steam that we made from and we’re just and just like my grandfather said and which is really weird this the technology it’s in my 15-year-old Subaru with a variable speed transmission my grandfather said they
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had that technology in the 30s and that technology so you’re engine to be ising and you’re doing 70 miles an hour which basically the bbts which are in most all new small all caric cars and trucks and semis allows for the motor and the transmission to use as little energy as possible once once it’s up to speed so it’s just it just makes sense that that’s where we’re going is it going to happen fast enough to still have a world left yeah there’ll be a world left I mean I could here
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imagine I mean I’m just really I guess I’m just getting soured in my old age because I it’s not going to be in my lifetime I’ve lived this lifetime having such Great Hopes I still have Great Hopes I mean I I mean I when I was in kindergarten we still climbed under our desk for the the explosion drills that was I and that was it it was over after that it was over and I you were a little bit older than I am I know you remember that in New York City do yeah get under your desk you tuck cover and um I
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remember um the riots uh during the Democratic Convention in the 68 yeah in Portland on all the riots and the and all that and I remember having armed guards or armed family members escort me to school and other kids in my class and wow cousins and uncles came to our family business and were staged on the roof to make sure that they could make sure no firebombers burnt down our family business which was going on during the 60s during the riots um when you say riots don’t you think about now and think about how
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crazy it is now you know can’t talk about things and the powers that be have control and look at the college campuses and all that’s happening now incredible I would never think in my lifetime that the Nazi protest positive Nazi protests would be on almost every college campus disguised as pro-islam it’s not even pro-islam because that’s not what Islam’s about it’s a fashion of Islam that hates the Jews and now we’re on this all this Jew hating that’s going on on all the
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campuses and what’s frightens me is that if you were in one of those cities that you’re trying to defend and trying to do what you’re doing here you would have been shot and killed instantly the gay the gay groups that came out on these campuses Pro Palestine I’m like going do you know they throw people off roofs that are gay in those fraking communities and they have forever and it’s still happening today and nobody [ __ ] excuse me oh yeah I’ve heard that beep nobody’s waking up
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about that they’re they’re they’re they’re supporting a a group that does incredible I I just I’m I’m I and there we again we’ve got social media the mainstream media who isn’t telling the whole story what about well I’m afraid to start this subject CU it’s so controversial I just know that I just can’t understand how I guess innocent till proven guilty great but when you hear Trump talking about if I win yeah if I lose watch out there’s going to be
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fighting isn’t that really sad to me to see it there again I I I I looked at that clip and because I’m such a I just had to go and said Okay I want to re I want to listen to this clip they took three words patched them together and made something new and they keep doing that and they keep doing it no one questions it but the people that are listening aren’t as no they don’t care question anything Jason and so we’re Fanning the Flames to having problems moving forward yeah does that get any
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different than years ago it’s the same well we have 12 million new unregistered voters so that ought to be interesting is that right that will be interesting 12 million new people in the country that we have no idea who they are and where they came from that have crossed our border in the last you know eight years that’s a lot of people yeah it is yeah but let’s consider them as a almost a separate issue because I’m talking about those that are here that are I still think the January 6th issue and
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the fight about whether or not um the call for Insurrection while a president why are you immune I don’t understand that well I let’s not go to January 6th I have people that I know that were there that that was a setup that was that was a CIA setup just like killing president kedy but the fact is no matter what setup and no matter how much was how many how many times has the has the US Senate in house been occupied by thousands that they never talked about about January 6th where after World War I all the soldiers who
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wanted their benefits that they were promised for fighting in the war they completely shut down the capital those soldiers went to the capital camped out put tents up around the capital and shut it down for 25 days and no news media ever talks about that well um I’m saying that well I was really going for I you’re good for bringing up you know something comparing but I’m saying we in our future know that in this year when an election happens and let’s assume that Trump will be on the ballot and
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Biden will be on the ballot and Jill Stein who was just arrested there at one of the protests from the green party and Cornell green as dependent and other Independents and the Joe Biden and they’re all there and Robert Kennedy and and they’re all running and now here comes the the tallies and whatever why we just need to make Election Day a holiday and in-person voting and then the voice of the people will be there but I don’t expect to see that this year do you not this year gosh no but wouldn’t that be simple even a
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two-day holiday a national two-day holiday so that you can go and vote when I vote here in person they ask for my ID it’s not that it’s required I think it must be the have to match something to show your you you just actually have to give him this and this and it actually matches the role you don’t have to have the face to go with that but it just makes it easier for the folks working the polls to look at your name and you know but I don’t I have no idea when you can’t even go grocery shopping and write
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a check or get a bank card or whatever ID just seems like it’s I wanted to put money into someone’s account and they said do you have your ID right you can’t put money into someone else’s account no isn’t that yeah that’s a bit extreme yeah and how insulting to our our ethnic communities that they targeted saying well they wouldn’t be able to vote and I’m going like that is so demeaning and talking down like people aren’t smart enough to get an ID that just wrong there is nothing
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nothing you can’t survive without ID today no no so why should you be able to vote why if I if I knew that Billy Thorp passed away a couple years ago I’m just going to go in and say I’m Billy Thorp and vote then I don’t need to show an ID I can I just know Billy Thorp was my neighbor he lived there I’m going to go in they’re going to find it on the roles because they don’t Purge the roles and say I’m that person and it’s so easy when I was going door Todo for
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candidates from the 70s and 80s all the way through my own campaigns you get these these in list that they would generate so you can go out and go door to door and knock and oh yeah I see your register blah and talk to folks that same walking list it wouldn’t take a lot of physical energy if by uh a PE an organization with a lot of money they get hire a bunch of college kids for x amount of money just go out on this walking list oh and they say oh they don’t live there anymore but they see them on the roles then they just
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need to show up at the polls and say they’re that person if there’s no voter ID well umst yeah the system can be jerked pretty qu it’s just so easy to Kink it but you know I we get through all that no matter who we vote for we all at least 40% mostly aren’t happy so who’s doing all these things you’re talking about well if if is it is it a conspiracy or is it just individuals that decide they’re going to add a vote by being their old neighbor Billy I me I think it’s special interest
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groups who have lots of money they’re putting tens of millions if not billions of dollars into a national candidate and they’re hedging their BS and when they’re hedging their bets to put a national candidate for their own interests for their own interests right which is which is fine that’s that’s the American way so to speak the American way right but if you just need a half a percent point and you can spend a million dollars over here hiring a bunch of people to go out in canvas and
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neighborhood and then when you turn your list in you find out oh they’re they’re they passed away and that’s how you when you turn your list in after you go out campusing as a college student or or whoever anyone can canvas all of a sudden now you’ve generated a list of people who could vote that are passed away or no longer live there or move to another state and now you the the opportunity for photo fraud and you don’t need a lot you just need such a micro amount I got it how did more people vote
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in the 2020 election that are registered that’s the one I still haven’t been able to figure out well you did figure it out but now I and then you take all that and you pour it into a system that says okay in every state we got nine little things and that represents eight and three and nine so that the whole system may be foul it I I I think the human I think as Americans we’re all honest loyal people it want the best for our country and what happens I think is that the news media goes you know cpan who
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not c not CNN but cpan who covers what goes on in the house and the Senate there’s that’s the most boring boring station you could ever watch but that’s how our government works and normally when I used to watch C-SPAN when there was a bill or something going through that I was trying to pay attention to and I would hear certain Representatives that I knew that were well informed get up and go through the this is a good point this is my point and point and point and point and point why we this
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works and then you get it somebody from the other side these are the point and point and point and points where this doesn’t work then I go okay that’s where you hammer out something in between but now they don’t have that opportunity more because the media can sway the American people before they even know what the issue is and that’s we we’ve lost that connection because big money can move the opinions what really bothered me after 911 was the Patriot Act after the during the formation of the Patriot Act
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when this was this this bill was rushing rushed through the Senate house and the Senate they had the opportunity to do something that could have changed our world they had the opportunity to put the same FCC regulations on the internet for subliminal advertising as NBC ABC and all the news networks have so if you’re looking at Facebook any social media YouTube all these nonaffiliated sources subliminal advertising that we all know what it is it’s like back in the 60s they realized they can
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Flash something up on a commercial that makes you want to go drink a if you’ve been to a movie theater lately and watch that thing at the beginning and you watch that video and the RC Cola or the Coke’s pouring in it and they making popcorn if that doesn’t make you hungry That’s subliminal advertising that’s not controlled by the FCC the movie that’s going to play is but if you go to a movie theater today and you watch that and watch that pop fill up and they put the straw in and they see the popcorn if
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that doesn’t inspire you to go get something you never eat I don’t know what does well I been the cat is out of the bag it is and I don’t know how to put them back in well do you I don’t Jason so I don’t want regulation but where is it going you know we keep talking about the world is full of talking about things but where and how do we make those changes I someone I mean I’m just bringing it up only because I hear people talking to me about there’re all these environmental
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groups and they all have their own agenda and they’re all like splinters why don’t they all get together so we can really make a big change how can first of all they’re all trying to survive and put their little piece in and put those subliminal messages wherever they can and they have to then figure out with this massive media thing and now they have to people have tools to put them out wildly yeah how’s that innocent view deal with it like this this and this this is really weird
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because this is a hot button in a lot of places because people don’t have the information so they’re talking about well kids they’re changing their genders or they’re doing this gender reassignment that just means how you describe yourself no that’s not that gender reassignment surgery oh surgery okay okay um so there’s a certain percentage of people when they’re born are born with both genitals genitalia okay and gender reassignment surgery is at that point where the doctors look at things
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and go we’re going to have to fix this and so they either remove some parts or move or whatever it’s not changing it it’s just going we don’t need this extra part because there’s two parts but the media have blown this up and made this all about we’re changing kids from one sex to another which is not correct well that’s interesting I never heard gender reassignment surgery surgery where both parts were identified as that’s what gender I’ve never heard that before and
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and there again I think now let’s roll this back to a Bobby Kennedy thing okay that I think it’s because of our food and the crap that we’re putting in our bodies generationally now we’re mixing up our chromosomes so badly uh it it’s not new this you know people born with both genitalia is not something new in history it happens in the animal kingdom too but it’s becoming it seems like it’s becoming more prevalent or it’s becoming more known but I think you know where all this medication
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that we’re pouring into Xanax everything else that people are taking now generationally is messing with our our outcome of our kids and you know there’s that last little piece so what are you GNA do about it what are you GNA do about it Schwartz we all talk about these things what’s the deal like we can’t even stop putting toxic waste in the ground because someone’s controlling us and those that are our representatives for our world are going with the program what are you going to do about it what
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are you going to do about you know I mean I don’t doubt that when I if I got the more informed I get the more discouraged I’ve gotten I did it on the olaa toxic issue to the point where I just cannot understand how no matter what money you’re going to get from whomever would you would you do the choices that they’re doing and that don’t even give me a chance I don’t listen to what I say it’s not about right or wrong it’s about the purse strings so I’m just saying to
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you so in what you just said you know and you know all the argument well I know people that were men that had their breasts enlarged is that a transfer definitions and whatever but I’m like so what do what what’s the outcome here what do we do I I don’t know that one I I we just now more aware as we don’t have a job and we all become philosophers and we’re going to elevate the the knowledge and do nothing and live in a world that’s being controlled and now we’re gonna go out
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into space and put air oxygen on a new planet because we screwed this screw another planet up we can’t do anything to fix this one because we’re already over that line remember when they said I remember hearing when Jac custo quit and they said the reason he quit doing what he was doing he said that’s it we’re past the line of being able to save this why should I do it anymore yeah is that where we’re all going are we all I I think no I think we’re I think we’re on the precifice maybe AI will come up with
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newer in innovative ways to change things did you hear in this morning’s paper that one of these groups I think it was Facebook meta gave up a couple of these AI things or they’re looking at them because they’re now speaking their own language that we don’t understand yeah if they can speak binary that’s nothing we’re going to be able to understand no but that’s why I’m saying it that way we keep what walking down these ridiculous paths that we so now that we know that that can happen will
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that spill over no I think it happened no it’s just identified and say oh isn’t that interesting but the rest keeps going on because because if you really think about that that that was a really good I I read that too and I was like you know what my phone talks to me but I don’t understand the technology between your phone and my phone so that I can hear your voice so that’s nothing different than AI well what if the to communicate langly communicate yeah that but no they communicate and they’re
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talking about something that we have no idea what it is we all watch Terminator in the 80s you know well you know these movies skynet’s watching [Laughter] us well you know I uh I wonder you know when I get onto these things but people live their own lives and regular jobs and regular lives and the question is did Johnny do his homework and did he learn about the history of the United States and all the and yeah what history did they learn and then they all grow up into bigger adults and like you said I look go try to go
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and get a regular job they’re like well what languages the computer do you understand right um You you don’t have training to get these job with these jobs it started 70,000 you’re out of college you’re making 70,000 but Grandpa can’t get arrested can’t get what are we doing are we just waiting for the old s to die until the new technology and new regimes don’t have any Challenge and then just keep on going the new way you know I I another you know hot bed subject and
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it’s a uh this right to die movement that started out like 30 years ago is gaining more and more speed where people people that I actually know and are friends with have already created a pro or again it’s legal if you don’t want to be alive they’ll kill you um I know that’s blunt but uh people people are already I know people here that wanted to die that knew that but they were doing was outside the letter of the law and they still were able to accomplish that yeah I mean this is this is but
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outside the law but this within the law well I can’t play Pickleball anymore I’ve created a document I got it legalized I got it written over by an attorney and Bam I’m going to go to Oregon and then then I’ll be gone I mean it’s not I get it if you’re extremely sick and you’re bedridden and you’re miserable I’ve been there I was there this morning it took two hours to get out of bed cuz my back’s blown um I get that but if you just do it for other reasons then well I can’t play golf or I
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can’t play pickle ball or I I can’t I can’t sew anymore cuz my hand hands aren’t working correctly we’ve it you you learn so much from your elders what would those people do you know I we know people real close in our Circle who have these problems they have no help there’s nowhere to live they can’t walk Y and they’re like well why am I why am I taking up space Liv what am I doing here I would rather find some way to not be here CU how much suffering do we have to
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go through so this right I I I see both sides I’m not I’m not arguing I’m only looking at how things are we’re way down the road here we kicked that can down the road in the 60s long ago already yeah and and you know I think we’re just at that point where people are just going to get to the point where well my my retirement was really good and now inflation you know a gallon of milk was $185 this week and I guess it’s is time for to go you know I think I I just wonder if these
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big money powers are just saying okay we just okay it’s time to just to well you know we have to reduce the population of the world now the world is but we’re the only country that believes that what that we need to reduce the population China is growing exponentially again they’re having three or four kids Africa is still growing those are the two um China Africa and India are the only economies that are just going to probably pull us through this China is moved into Africa the same as the United
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Kingdom moved through the entire world China will own Africa they’re building super highways all the way through Africa they’re building not Walmarts they’re building factories all it’s called the um the Silk Road which goes all the way from China all the way through Africa and they will have Africa as a satellite nation of the People’s Republic China and they’re doing it right in front of us the Chinese the Chinese now have the Marshal Islands they have the protectorate of everything we fought for
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in World War II they’re moving this way that there’s money to be made and it’s better to so what what when they get there are they it’s called it’s colonialism I understand but I’m when we look at these things we all hear it we know it they’re moving this way so what’s going to happen when they get there are they going to well people in the area to adopt or are they going to say well anyone that’s old and has these disabilities we’re going to give you the
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choice if you want you could you’ll be able to take your own life we’ll help you what’s the what do they do in China what’s the Benchmark in China One child no that used to be they they realized that was a huge mistake they destroyed their their future Workforce um but China still has where family takes care of family here we no longer have family taking care of family we’ve had to move all over the place and so and and this has crossed my mind a lot lately since the the the the great
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experiment of um covid to shut down and take people’s rights and since the fire it’s like I can’t travel to see my grandkids in my family but maybe once every few years it made me realize that well now now I’m really living long a long ways from where my kids have moved to maybe it’s time for me to just like pack up and be somewhere where I’m a few hour drive or whatever from at least kind of the kids because I don’t see in this economy where we’re we’re going to have
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to it’s going to force us back into family units or in some kind of Cooperative units to survive where we have Community Gardens I think we’re on the way there we have Community Gardens on the island that people share space I think this economy will force us back into growing more products our own Foods um all of those things I think are on the horizons not because they’re fun or trendy but because they’re necessary we have the ability to plant enough potatoes out in this Central Maui
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to feed all Hawaii you know Hawaii and Alaska are the only two states have the ability to feed our population if everything goes downhill I mean totally gone we can grow and feed ourselves no other state has that ability with its populations California the the bread bowl of you know almost all food production can’t survive without the petroleum industry to give them fertilizer so all that land is producing all that food you you got about about nine maybe 10 crops before the soil be depleted you’ll no longer be able to so
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they’d have they be forced to change their farming practices so I don’t want to be gloom and doom but I think we’re on the Press of something changing we’re going to have this new brain we we we improve the human body with cars and tractors and now we’re going to improve the human mind with AI see I’m not really a person Jason I’m actually an AI that was planted here by alien spacecraft we have less than two minutes Mr AI can you imagine that we talk we have so much fun talking no but we’re
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talking but I get to the point where I like why go on well you because you can’t you can’t take your own life it’s not allowed yeah there a very big confusion on what the rules are where the rules are going what can be enforced what isn’t what good is talking all this stuff when no one takes anything seriously and they take it seriously but they can’t do anything about it so then do we all get selfish and start taking care of our own little small groups and and uh you know don’t worry about the
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other guy or do we worry about everybody and we all Shar do we learn it and become one and come by I don’t we go back to we’re getting kind of clanny now but I don’t think it’s by choice I think it’s because that’s all that people because it sells soap if you watch something and you look at the if it has to it has to sell commercial time for somebody to make money then it you know they’re going to sensationalize it do you know that we have seconds to go 30 seconds is that
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what I said it is 30 seconds wow if I can see correctly 20 seconds Scott thank you for coming here it’s always fun we’ll do it again and we never have a subject but we always just kind of go all over the place well we could have a subject but you know it’s I think this was a rest period just to be yeah you’re you’re your ranting and ravas are good thank you everyone you’re going to hear my credits that right is it playing I hope it’s playing cuz we’re going to be
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out here in a second thank you for joining us we’ll see you again next week aloha
